the questionable morality of the harbingers

[@wall6587]

I love how childe went from almost drowning an entire nation to preventing a nation from drowning, talk about some character development 😂

[@silverhawkscape2677]

@@wall6587 Childe Mains Unite

[@-alexandra-7135]

i mean, the thing is that he never did go through 'character development' to say, because he was always like that- i dont think his morals changed, it was just the different situations in which he took action in different ways. but true, the parallells are funny

[@sauraveldho9816]

like the prev reply, it was not a char dev. He was on a mission from tsarisa herself. And he would complete it whatever the consequences. All other times, he's just a chill dude wanting to fight powerful opponents.

[@sehrish1837]

guys I think commentor is joking

[@Seastar14TheWitch]

​@@sehrish1837👆🏼

[@_dragonflies_]

Scaramouche didn't stop killing the bladesmiths because he was bored. He stopped killing when one of them turned out to be Niwa's descendant. I'm not saying this makes him better (or worse), just pointing this out Also, there's a quest in Fontaine called "Questioning Melusine and Answering Machine" (slight SPOILERS) At the end of the quest, a person is left dead on the stage of the Opera House, his tongue torn out and a note left in his mouth. It was an apology letter written by a Harbinger interested in mechanisms, who's not Dottore (so, Sandrone mist likely). I'm very excited to know exactly why said Harbinger felt they needed to apologise to the Traveler

[@Vemin247]

Husk of Opulent Dream states that he grew bored. It’s possible that the text is just reflecting his own excuses/justifications but it’s nonetheless what the text itself says.

[@jo0ke4u61]

Not many people paying atention to the world quest which make me sad a bit. I hope during patch 4.8 Hoyo drop a teaser featuring Sandrone

[@1L1KEP0TAT0ES]

SANDRONE MENTION? All in all though, her character intrigues me very much, I would love to go in depth and get to analyze her when she’s shown

[@_dragonflies_]

@@1L1KEP0TAT0ES i think one of my personal favourite crack theories about Sandrone is that it's actually Alain Guillotin (the guy who created the Fontaine Research Institute and discovered Pneuma & Ousia) Let me explain: Firstly, the girl we see presented as Sandrone in the Teaser looks a lot like an adult version of Mary Ann Guillotin (Alain's sister) who died tragically in an explosion (the same one from which the Melusines were born). Alain himself was heavily involved with the research of machinery, and was a kind of genius in the field. He's known for creating Seymour (the vaguely sentient robot-dog) and clockwork Meka in general. In fact, most of Fontaine's technological progress is his achievement. His death, interestingly enough, is also not specified: he's known to have become a shut-in crazed with his research in his later years, and his final fate is unknown. (Sandrone is also a known shut-in btw). And now Sandrone for some reason felt the need to apologize to the Traveler, whom they haven't met or seemingly interacted with before in any way? The theory's explanation for this would be the Traveler's involvement in Narzissenkreuz Quest. The Traveler fixed Seymour, found and freed the remaining consciousness of Mary Ann Guillotin, and finished Alain's job by disposing of Narzissenkreuz. Again, this is a crack theory mostly held together by vibes, so don't take it too seriously

[@1L1KEP0TAT0ES]

@@_dragonflies_ THISSS I HAVE BEEN OBSESSED WITH THIS no way that look is a coincidence, although I haven’t though much about Alain, thank you for this info! I think I’ll go an readership it more now :D

[@rajaryan-fe1oy]

If Scara doesn't get a single conversation with his mother I'm telling you I _will_ cry

[@motemo8413]

wdym, he does talk to Nahida ;)

[@Shadowz_417]

​@@motemo8413 this person is talking about Raiden

[@motemo8413]

@@Shadowz_417 i know lol

[@rajaryan-fe1oy]

@@motemo8413 Good point :))

[@pt2ql2gd3e]

I NEED them to meet

[@applesauce4666]

For the most part, I agree with where you placed most of the harbingers. I would just move Arle slightly upwards mainly because I don't think people realize how on the whole "grooming child soldiers" she's kinda trapped between a rock and a hard place. She kinda got lucky that the tsaritsa pardoned her for killing Crucabena because I doubt the fatui would let someone who killed a harbinger run around free doing whatever they please. Also, the HoTH is very useful to the Fatui, so its not like Arle can stop providing child soldiers and the rest of the harbingers will be okay with that. Also in terms of her overall goals, I don't claim to know for sure because I have barely seen anyone mention this but I think at some point during her quest I think she mentioned how Clervie wished for the House of the Hearth to be a "real home" where no one died or was sacrificed. So I definitely she wants to separate the House of the Hearth from the Fatui at some point. And I think her "About Lyney" line affirms this. It also makes I think that Lyney will not succeed her as a harbinger but as the director of the House of the Hearth but I digress. In my opinion, Arle has a similar morality to Childe. They are both characters whose family is their main motivation. In fact, their story quests have very loose parallels as they both try to protect/prepare family members for the cruelties the world has to offer. But I also understand why you placed her where you did.

[@Jackson-ub1uv]

I can concede that she may have been stuck before, but the fact she refuses to do anything _after_ the Fontaine Archon Quests is inexcusable. Considering Fontaine is no longer useful to them, and the fact that they only need one more Gnosis, the Fatui would deem it a waste of soldiers and resources to try and take back a single orphanage.

[@applesauce4666]

@@Jackson-ub1uv I am sorry I don't quite follow. The house of the hearth is not just one "single orphanage." It's the Fatui's entire espionage department. So losing that is a huge blow to the fatui. Also, the HotH does not solely operate in Fontaine, you operate all over Teyvat. Fontaine is just their main branch.

[@Jackson-ub1uv]

@@applesauce4666 If that's the case, then she could at least separate the orphanage from the Fatui and leave the pre-existing agents where they are.

[@applesauce4666]

@@Jackson-ub1uv My guy, The orphange is a branch of the fatui, not a separate entity it can't leave. Also the orphanage is financially dependant on the fatui. Do you think that Arle is pulling money out of thin air? No, the fatui financially supports the orphanage, but its very difficult to straight up leave the fatui .

[@Jackson-ub1uv]

@@applesauce4666 My guy, the end of Fontaine's Archon Quests leaves her on decent terms with the Spina di Rosula and Fontaine's government, so she has plenty of options. Neuvillette would be the best option as he'd be able to offer all of the funding needed, and I think the most he'd ask for is to have active Fatui agents be put on trial. Such a deal is incredibly generous, and one that Arlecchino would _have_ to take if she wanted to do what's best for the children; the orphanage would get all of the support it needs, and any convicted agents will be cared for in the Fortress of Meropide.

[@sassyfrenchpotato]

For more context in Signora's last words in CH and JP, the implications of her last words in this languages are tied to the promise Pierro made to her, she was determined to get out of Tenshukaku because if she indeed died there she was going be assimilated by the leylines of the current world, She wasn't supposed to died there because that wasn't the happily ever after that was promised to her 😢

[@bunnywifalaptop3684]

We actually know quite a bit about Dottore from the flashbacks in Scara's story and the notes in Sumeru He was ostracized and called a monster by everyone so he became a monster, doing his best to abandon his humanity, In essence the opposite of Wanderer's journey

[@Not_A_Friend0777]

Yeah, I really anticipating when they will reveal Childe's curse by the foul. Bennet is also the same, having a bad luck while Childe is always in the middle of Chaos with his demon in mind.

[@Vickyef619]

I believe that Arlecchino is a case of "hoyo wanted to sell a character". She contradicts earlier lore about her to be nicer in eyes of players, all horrible stuff they can put off they put off to Crucabena. Essentially, she doesn't feel like a character to me, but a marketing ploy. "Oh, she's the one players liked most in Lazzo, we can decide what we can do in Fontaine, yay!"

[@Cassettings]

Thank you, you put everything I think about her into words. I never really connected with her because I just kept seeing a „marketable cool and over powerful mommy“ instead of an actual character

[@nothing1214]

Yeah I fricking agree, but unfortunately this is a Chinese GACHA game so her badness HAD to be nerfed. I'm more interested in Crucabena now, but I know she will probably never be mentioned again (another character with missed potential, thanks Hoyo!)

[@Vickyef619]

@IMtiredal but we also saw other Fatui from the House before 4.0, who referred to current Arlecchino as someone to be feared of even for the inside circle. Aranyaka Fatui npc, and Tanit quest Fatui npc are scared of being part if the house, and I believe Crucabena is too dead by this time to be responsible.

[@volfawott7417]

​​@@Vickyef619 That has never changed she is still quite frequently described as being a feared by all the kids in the house. However if you do go back to those previous quests you'll find someone who states themselves that they don't actually have a problem with the house. This is one of the biggest pieces of misinformation about it they don't want their younger sister to go there because they're younger sister wants to follow a very specific career path the house is not the best place for that. ( you don't send someone who you know wants to be a dancer to military school regardless of whether you are ok with the military school you send them to a dance school) Honestly this bugs the hell out of me because people need to realise that the characterization of her was not just changed the characterization we got about her back then is very similar the only exception is with the voice Lines. The problem with these voice lines is that everybody jumped on them and let their head cannon run wild, completely forgetting the fact that the two people who gave the voice lines aren't the best narrators. Childe is very much not the best judge of character and has been shown to be easily manipulated and Wanderer has a pessimistic 98% of the people he meets. What people mean when they say that they change her character to make it more marketable whether you like to admit it or not what it actually comes down to is my head canon didn't align with what the actual thing was so clearly they changed it.

[@Vickyef619]

@volfawott7417 Alright try to make sense of her character then. What is her motivation? Help the kids? She was at least capable of killing them off. Help Fontaine? No, she states that it was abt the kids, but we see how she cares abt them. Her own goals? Good, what are those??? She's not a fleshed out character, she has some traits like "ruthless" or "demanding", but what drives her, what is she about? You cannot even make a guess, bc her lore was written in two states: "pre-Lazzo", "post-Lazzo". Pre-Lazzo Arlecchino was about running a horrifying spy-like organization, post-Lazzo Arlecchino is about "Traveler has to tolerate her at least somewhat". Unreliable narrator is a trope of when we're fed misinformation, yet combined it gives a grain of truth. It's not an easy way of retconing a character. I'm convinced, hoyo just saw how popular she got and made her a Fontaine Harbinger. Unfortunately, it led to some story mess that she is now

[@Azzywrld224]

Speaking of Childe I seen a theory that he is the vessel for the third descender, which is the reason why Natlan has the “ode of resurrection”. Last gnosis… most likely will be seeing Mr world wide. I like it but we’ll see!

[@DemiDrako]

Everything seems on point the only thing that bothers me is that some people were saying that Arlecchino is too strong for the traveler and it seems people forgotten that the archon or other strong characters helped us defeat certain harbingers, to me Arlecchino level of strength is that of childe but more tricky and stronger because of her cold nature, the only harbinger that catches my eye is Colombina

[@Lionhart1991]

i think childe feels trapped, he has to do even the more extreme/evil orders in the end bc he knows he can't protect his family from the fatui, i think he is more then willing to fight but he also know he does not have a chance so he has just to obey, even orders he does not like.

[@gibdos_rupees1374]

In regards to playable Harbingers, I actually think its better if certain Harbingers don't become playable. Namely, Dottore, Pierro, Pulcinella (Rooster) and Pantalone. Dottore is someone that I hope we get to fight, as he is probably *the* most evil person in Teyvat. I wouldn't count out Signora just yet though, I think theres a very real possibility of her having a sort of phoenix rebirth.

[@Louis-gk7rk]

Dottore has a playable model, when will yall accept this?

[@MSSProductions1]

i would loveeeeee for dottore to be playable, his design is sickkkkk

[@an-fl4bk]

holy the sound at 6:25 jumpscared me 😭

[@ihavenodogs]

19:46 I really, really, really hope he becomes playable. Oh my gosh I really hope he does 😭 I don’t care whether or not he’s redeemed…

[@Chareddragon]

If you watched the anime video, Arrlechino is a Harbinger as a punishment for killing her predecessor

[@silverhawkscape2677]

She was forced into it. I can see her continuing to groom child soldiers only because the Alternative of refusing is far worst under the Fatui.

[@bonk8311]

it never said it was a punishment

[@krumi_hazuki1440]

24:03 litterally near-assasinated furina at open space just to track hydro gnosis

[@ruelie]

Another thing to note, signora never accepted the duel, she kinda didnt have a choice 😭

[@anaplaysstuff]

Of course she had a choice. She wasn't wrong when she told the Traveler it was dumb for them to show up in Tenshukaku right in front of the Raiden Shogun considering they were a wanted a criminal. At that time, Signora had all the cards, it was only by losing the duel that she guaranteed she would lose her life. Up until accepting that duel she probably could have left with no issue. The Shogun didn't seem to give a crap about what Signora may or may not have done in Inazuma.

[@ruelie]

@@anaplaysstuff She never accepted it in the English translation kf the game, i cant speak for any of the other versions

[@GhostlyGhost333]

Curious to see where Capitano lands on that chart once the Natlan Archon quest approaches its end.

[@dukebasti]

NAH no one could make me like you signora.

[@Vampire_EGirl]

yeah i LITERALLY MAIN THE 4TH OF THE HARBINGERS arle. please kill me.

[@Fezaki]

I hope Signora gets revived and gets some more depth in-game. A good amount of fanart came from Arlecchino's voiceline about Signora being lonely and finding enjoyment with the children, things like that could be expounded upon. A lot of people don't like her though so it may not happen which is disappointing in my opinion.

[@fromAshesReborn24]

this is actually the reason why I think she might return, arle voiceover towards her is kind off out of place like, you don't give a positive information about someone who's irrelevant and dead, I can see them redeeming her character later...

[@Fezaki]

@@fromAshesReborn24 It definitely gives me a shred of hope, I also thought something similar when they had that flashback of her and Scara talking to each other in mean banter, I thought they were drawing comparisons between them on purpose. But if she doesn't get revived in Natlan I'm just going to assume they're done with her sadly. Fingers crossed though.

[@daffafatih8669]

@@fromAshesReborn24Cope😂

[@fatuusdottore]

The Harbingers absolutely are complicated characters to be sure, you have some real villains like Arlechomo, who is a bloodthirsty murderer who justifies her own sociopathy by doing the cringe "right targets" nonsense, nevermind the fact she attacked an innocent person (Furina) based on rumours/falsehoods and to date has never apologised for this fact, displaying how prideful and incompetent she truly is. (So pathetic she didn't even play an important part in Fontaine's AQ, and instead was relegated to a forgettable slop story quest.) But I suppose that's what happens when you're used to bullying children and literally gaslighting them into joining your cult/discarding them like trash when they decide to leave. Disgusting, truly. Likewise, there are those who are simply too pathetic or too weak-minded to be worth anyone's notice, such as Scaramouche, the eternal victim, and Pantalone, a pathetic loser who instead of elevating himself and improving wants to drag everyone else down with him, basically a crab in a bucket. Truly detestable, one may add Pulcinella there as well, simply a social climber and manipulator. Not everyone can be beautiful, amazing, and a hero like Dottore, who is trying his hardest to save humanity, alongside the Tsaritsa, and who is beloved by cuties like Columbina. ❤ Childe is pretty based too, W Dottore, W Columbina, W Tsartisa, W Childe. Sandrone is cool too, everyone else is simply ok.

[@daffafatih8669]

Midtorre trashcharacter😂

[@Disorder2312]

Dottore's motivation is purely his pursuit of knowledge. As someone from Sumeru, he believes that wisdom is the most important thing. But unlike those folks in Akademiya, he does not restrict himself from any unethical sciences. His ultimate reasoning for any atrocity would be "i wanted to see what happens". He is genuinely so blinded by his ideal, that the only thing he might see as evil, is doing something that doesn't bring any new discovery.

[@Kaytymoo]

The only way I can imagine a positive interaction between the traveler and dottore is him giving the traveler a safe(ish) passage through the the cryo nation, with the promise that he can figure out how the traveler works, but that's definitely stretching it, I kinda hope that they don't pull a redemption ark, I feel that there's a lack of proper evil people in the game, don't get me wrong I like the morally grey thing but a real evil big bad is something I've missed from media

[@inthenameofcontractlendmem983]

Even Hazbin Hotel ain't giving redemption to that Zandik dude

[@osmanthuswine5336]

Idc how well written they are it will never make sense to me how they sided with the traveler after they massacred SEVERAL fatui soldiers and are actively the tsaritsa’s enemy😭

[@etiennejoubert7669]

My personal opinion on the Fatuis is that they are all PoS, with the exception of those who actively seek to leave the organization as we see in certain secondary quests. For me the Fatuis are very comparable to a certain German organization from the first half of the 20th century, which is found guilty of numerous crimes against humanity, for me being part of one of these 2 organizations make you complicit in the said crimes even if we did not participate in them or do not approve them (this is why I feel so much disdain for Lyney, Lynette and Freminet, how can you claim to be a good person when you are part of an organization that commits such despicable acts?) I only feel hatred and disgust for the Fatuis

[@Eldr1tchGl1tch]

we actually have dottore's backstory; he's from sumeru from years ago too. and god he has been disgusting and selfish since the start. you can go to "my name for now" he's made a video on the scattered lore of the doctor.

[@ahmadhadi177]

Is it ok If I like both Genshin Impact and Honkai Star Rail?

[@PGM991]

chaotic evil, neutral evil or lawful evil.

[@Eldr1tchGl1tch]

also fun detail; childe is the only character in genshin with no eye light

[@callmeandoru2627]

Because there are multiple clones of Dottore, I think the playable version of him will be a good Dottore. Since you know, each clone has a different personality and we’ve seen the most evil clone. That means there should be a good clone

[@LJCastano]

Those clones are gone remember

[@amechanicalgarden6018]

I fully imagine that the Dottore we see will probably die, but we will get a playable version in a newly created clone that looks like him but doesn't have the evil history, as Hoyo's way of making every playable character redeemable.

[@Louis-gk7rk]

all of his segments are him, if we get one as playable then dottore isn't dead

[@urfav.astaroth]

If Dottore doesn't become playable I will cry! I honestly love his design ans the troupe of "the mad doctor".... Plus in a world full of colorfull and morally good characters Dotorre stands out beign the polar oposite off that. I can't wait till Sneznaya comes so I can more off his lore.

[@Louis-gk7rk]

he's definitely playable, but at what cost?

[@krumi_hazuki1440]

29:10 voiceline about tsaritsa tell you about this

[@froozefang]

Honestly, i don't want Dottore to be playable. What i want is him to make new segments, and one of them will turn on him, which will become playable.

[@anaplaysstuff]

It's almost definite that if they make a playable Dottore, it will be some segment of his that didn't do all the torture and murder.

[@shiverstan5804]

I always compare Arlecchino to LITERALLY the grim reaper. She isn't really evil, but acts as a villain due to her position and is almost completely morally numb in order to achieve her goals. Plus she did literally say that she's willing to betray the fatui if they overstep her boundaries, she's just using them for her own goals. Just sooo calculated.

[@Jackson-ub1uv]

The thing is, she's not exactly _forced_ to do anything, as proven by the fact that she _is_ willing to betray the Fatui.

[@boo_isweird]

And her sythe omg bro

[@user-ej8rp1hj9n]

@@Jackson-ub1uvshe kinda is. Given that she is a head of one of the best and oldest intelligence units, which is under a certain threat of becoming less independent (Project Stuzha), she has no choice, but to be much more numb and calculative. she doesn’t want to be excluded, as her position gives her a lot of leverage and influence. Ofc, she still would retain such qualities, if she wouldn’t be a part of the House of the Hearth. However, the events there fundamentally shaped her as a person

[@Jackson-ub1uv]

​@@user-ej8rp1hj9n Girl just needs therapy and to be told to get over herself, stop being an edgelord, and start fixing things; I mean, someone _needs_ to slap her face and tell her to get off her arse and win. If Doctor Who has taught me anything, it's that good things only happen when you _work_ for it, and that the measure of a good person is whether or not they're willing to commit everything to the protection of others no matter _how_ hopeless it is; in other words, a good person would do _everything they can_ to buy innocent people as much time as possible, even if it just amounts to an extra day, because the alternative is leaving them to die. Instead of complaining about life or taking the easy ways out, Arlecchino needs to just strap in and _act,_ because every second she wastes trying to come up with the perfect plan is one where more children are sent out to die.

[@daffafatih8669]

@@Jackson-ub1uvshe’s not a good person, thats it, bcs few days bfore her release, hoyo tweet a quote that says Arle goal is something related to Crimson Moon and Snowflake, maybe thats the reason she will be betray The Tsaritsa in The Future

[@aeso3555]

The Harbinger that fascinates me the most is Capitano. The way he's been described as this honorable, rightneous, reasonable man who holds absolute power yet uses it responsibly makes him feel like an odd duck. Every rank and file Fatui praises him and (based on Wanderer and Childe's voiceline) idolises him, both as a powerful warrior and beloved leader. Characters like Varka have spoken well about him and even fellow Harbingers have nothing bad to say about (like at all!). Childe has a few he's either unnerved by or dislike, but he admires Capitano's combat skills and wants to prove himself to him. Wanderer has a hard time trying to say something bad about him other than his absolute righteouness being a flaw. The only other person he uses this type of description is Nahida. Arlecchino acknowledges both his strength and believes him to be someone worthy of respect, irrespective of his power. In a way, he almost comes off like the completel antithesis of Dottore (And if his rank of no1 is true, then the parrallels are even more prominent.) If in Natlan, he lives up to his honorable status, then he's basically the noble demon trope. A good man in a shady organization.

[@kayleighdriessen]

I'd love to see that be his character, though I'm open to reveals or plot-twists to what we haven't yet known about him outside of what other characters have spoken of him.

[@pepita2437]

This is why I love the way Genshin writes it's characters. The Fatui is not an uiformizied organization. It is made out of individuals, every one of them with their own moral code, personality, morals, motivations etc. (there are people there, who are evil- Dottore, people who just joined beause it was the only way they could survive- Lyney, or others who didn't even had any say in joining- Childe) In Genshin we don't really see the conflict of good/evil, in the traitional sense. What we see is the very complicated political game most of the Archons, and Fatui play against the Heavenly principles.

[@BlazeLibra]

Now I just wanna see Capitano and Dottore _square up_

[@Jackson-ub1uv]

If that's true, then it also means that _none_ of the Harbingers have an excuse to be so cruel; such a development could serve as an exploration into _why_ the Fatui are so awful if they can get what they want through diplomacy and respect.

[@pepita2437]

@@Jackson-ub1uv 'none of the Harbingers have an excuse to be so cruel;' Some of them don't want to be cruel. Like in case of Childe. He doesn't like to kill, but will do it if he is ordered (for ex, he didn;t kill any of the guards of the Golden House, nor the debt collectors in Fontaine, nor the treasur hoarders, not even the person who tried to run from his debt in Childe's teaser), and he would have chose another method of luring Rex Lapis out if it was up to him instead of releasing Osial. (conversation after we beat his Foul Legacy form) He likes to be honest, and straighforward, and doesn't like the methods of his fellow Harbingers because they use deception. But again Childe will lie, and deceive if he's ordered. He treats his men with respect and care unlike some (Signora killed his own men during training) to an extent that being put in Trataglia's squad is considered a honor among the Fatui. In case of Childe, idk if having morals and breaking them or not having them at all is better or worse.

[@1van1shed969]

Dottore is the William Afton of genshin

[@thomasraines1396]

At least there’s a reason as to why The Doctor can come back unlike Aftton.

[@catdownthestreet]

​@@thomasraines1396 Afton had sheer willpower and that's it lmao

[@PeruvianPotato]

​@@catdownthestreet....so just bad writing. Yeah I think I had good reason as to why I jumped ship when I was around 14

[@catdownthestreet]

@@PeruvianPotato the only reason why I'm still sticking around is because I like what Steel Wool is doing but otherwise I definitely would've done the same lol

[@HisRoyalMajestyKingofWeedshire]

@@PeruvianPotatohe keeps coming back because of the almighty dollar

[@krdt1111]

Another note on signora, arlecchino describes how she used to get the kids to pretend to like her so she would give them gifts “Those who disliked shall receive none” and also calls her lonely. I really do feel sad that things turned out that way for her

[@Robbie4840]

Me too:(

[@EdgeLie]

Tho the fact they had to pretend means she came off has dislikeable RIP

[@ILIKEOTTERS]

Reunited with her lover in death, at last.

[@rajaryan-fe1oy]

In my opinnion, rather than classifying Childe as evil or not evil, I like to call him, driven, mf has one goal, and pretty much anything apart from his family and some friendds that gets in the way is meaningless to him, he seems kinda sociopathic to me, I actually really wish we get more on his morality later in the story , he's a really intresting character Edit - 11:30 Pretty much

[@pepita2437]

I see Childe as a professional soldier. He does not kill if he doesn't have to (we have multiple times when he could have killed his opponent, like the Meillelith who guarded the Golden House, he just knocked them out), he doesn't like lying, deceviving, or hurting people who are weaker than him, and didn't do anything to warrant his violence etc. But he will do it if he's instructed by the Tsaritsa to do so. In the military you get an order, you have to doit, like it or not, because if you don't you'll be the one court marshalled. He didn't even wanted to release Osial (he said during the quest that he feared that it will come to this, and he pretty much regrets it), and did so after he figured out that Morax was alive.

[@chey1666]

@@pepita2437I think a lot of people also forget that childe released osial with the assumption that it would lure Morax out to come save the day. Correctly if I’m wrong but I remember him saying that himself. He didn’t do it out of pettiness. Still bad for obvious reasons, though.

[@spiceyicey]

@@chey1666 and it was a part of zhongli's attempt to prove that liyue can do fine without him being there to defend it so that he could retire.none of the unleashing osial stuff would have happened without zhongli's deal with the tsaritsa

[@Evitzeoshowerthoughts]

Let us appreciate scara committing supoku after learning his entire life was him being (ironically) a puppet. Very sad. 500 years of trauma isn't something a few words can solve, especially when the main character doesn't like him enough to do talk no jutsu

[@eisflamme2438]

He thought be erasing himself he would bring all those he killed back. He was giving his life for them.😢

[@1L1KEP0TAT0ES]

Yeah, a lot of people don’t take that into account sadly

[@eisflamme2438]

It was so sad that no one catched him when he fell after having his heart stolen again. 😢 But its great that Nahida is taking care of him now. She made him go to school, hang out with people and was nice to him. His peers like him too, they celebrated his birthday, so sweet! 🥺 Im sure over time he will heal and open up more. Just like Xiao.

[@scaramouchiemooch]

people misunderstand scara so much that its actually sad, a lot of ppl don’t acknowledge serious points in his character ☹️☹️

[@flopcartman]

@@scaramouchiemoochExactly, tbh, he was the most poor treated character, and it’s perfect for Nahida to be his new mom, since both of them passed through similar things

[@nyxsiren8403]

Dottore is evil for sure but we still don't know enough about him and why he's so obsessed with human enhancements. Hoyo always cooks with mad scientist type of characters just look at Dr. MEI, Mobius, Vill V and Otto from Hi3rd. I also wouldn't say Scara is on his redemption arc, redemption arc implies he wants to do heroic things but he says it himself he will never be one of the good guys. He sees human relationships transactional which I think is common among harbingers.

[@Jambalambam]

i disagree that scara isn't in his redemption arc. maybe it's not a typical redemption arc where he ends up being a good guy or a hero, but it's about him righting past wrongs and taking accountability for the terrible things he's done in the past. in one of his character voice lines (i dont remember which one), he mentions that he wants to find descendants of the raiden gokaden and tell them to truth about what actually happened and tell them that he's the one responsible, and if they want to kill him or hurt him, then so be it. maybe he's not exactly trying to redeem himself, but it seems like he doesn't want to run away from the problems he caused and wants to take accountability for them

[@GEIM2020-rx9df]

​@@Jambalambamuntil he atones for his sins, he shall remain on the shit list 😅

[@romeoiiihidalgo9516]

I think I remember a comment from another video that said that Signora and Ei actually have a lot of paralles towards each other. I can't find the original comment, since its in a entirely different video that not part of your channel, but thats essentially what the comment said. Hoyo is really quite pick and choose-y with how "complex" they want each of their antagonists/villains to be presented as quite honestly, and sadly, Signora got shortest stick out of all the harbingers

[@The1andonlysharpshooter]

They better not be choosing dottore over columbina or I’ll jump

[@silverhawkscape2677]

​@@The1andonlysharpshooter They can Pick Columbina and Reboot Dottore. Remember he has his segments that he has to remake now that they are all destroyed.

[@The1andonlysharpshooter]

@@silverhawkscape2677 very true.

[@haydenz0]

I'd like a 2nd Wanderer video if he ever gets another major story development. His birthday cards (if canon), the Interdarshan Championship, lines about him and Sethos - it all makes it seem like he's coming out of his shell more. And I can't wait to see how he is in the summer event next patch.

[@Ld17_]

With the new event, it is teased that wanderer will get a role with Albedo & Durin, probably against the " Lost Control Albedo", too.

[@human3237]

I really prefer villains to be villains and irredeemable and morally gray is also amazinhg and istg if dottore gets a sob story redemption bs ill be so pissed

[@nothing1214]

Same, I think it makes them more realistic

[@Massivegenius69]

absolutely, the harbingers are quite literally terrorists. it would be unbelievably shameful of mihoyo to try and 'redeem' them.

[@Heyaheyaheya7]

Same

[@TomoLamp]

Villains being nothing more usually leads to them just being obstacles/walls that the main character has to somehow overcome, they have their little moments here and there but as characters they're usually not that great

[@DemonifiedHorizon]

My opinion - Signora - Evil, Underdeveloped Tartaglia - Middle of the graph, Skirk and the “Foul Legacy” part is still a mystery. We are familiar with the name “Foul and Surtalogi” but not its connection. Balladeer - Somewhat evil, mostly developed, his revenge against Dottore still remains. Dottore - Pure evil, underdeveloped Arlecchino - Mostly developed, inbetween evil and good. Her dynasty’s origins and her real crazy self still remains though.

[@PhuongNguyen-_-]

I agree more with the video’s placement of Childe. He’s certainly more developed than the middle of the x axis. We know most of his motives and still have room to create more stories. Though, he’s less developed than Wanderer because his arc is continuing (I’m not saying Wanderer’s arc is over, he has Abyss and maybe Irminsul, false sky connections too). Childe’s one of the most intriguing characters in Genshin and’s I’m scared they will ruin him in the future tbh, he has so much potential. I hope they don’t sideline him.

[@thomasraines1396]

@@PhuongNguyen-_-they’re not going to side line him, he’s to popular.

[@PhuongNguyen-_-]

@@thomasraines1396 i really hope so

[@thomasraines1396]

@@PhuongNguyen-_- look at how many times Itto has appeared recently, because he’s popular.

[@PhuongNguyen-_-]

@@thomasraines1396 but he doesn’t involve in the plot. Itto is a comic relief, I don’t want that happen to Childe, at least, not when his arc is still going.

[@callmeandoru2627]

The people of Tataratsuma describe Scaramouche very well. He is indeed a blank slate. The Baladeer is the blank slate drawn on by Dottore and Ei. The Wanderer is same slate drawn on by Nahida.

[@lanterns_glow]

He might have all the friendliness of a pissed off den of rattle snakes, but he's learning. It's slow, but he was at least good a sport enough in a festival to not immediately be after the goal and juat.. was there for his own amusement? And through him, Nahida is learning about how people can be at times

[@ahmadhadi177]

Guess the Tsaritsa tolerates the likes of Crucabena and Dottere so long as they proven to be useful to her.To quote Lucas Grey from Hitman World Of Assassination,'Sometimes,even monsters serve a purpose'.

[@motemo8413]

Tsaritsa is one thing but i still have no idea as to why the fuck Capitano is tolerating them, he seems more righteous and honorable so i wonder what's going on in his mind.

[@rebeccacourtney5286]

@@motemo8413 Mayhaps he doesn't know? I can see Dottore keeping his stuff a secret from him fully aware that the man can, and would, beat his ass for what he has done And as long as he is useful to the Tsaritsa, he will be ok in that regard

[@jakaskotka6072]

@@rebeccacourtney5286 well, not sure about this. Even if he didn’t give reports, and masked everything he does, I’m pretty sure some people in Fatui know it, and that he uses it as a punishment, not talking about Collei who left him but pretty sure she said something to Cyno, he passed to Lisa, she added 2+2 and so they know. Also, there’s Diluc, who also knows what Dottore is doing (at least he knew for some time) and despises him, and wouldn’t hide his secrets, I don’t believe he would hide it at least. Also, pretty sure some of the Fatui wondered about Krupp and why isn’t he serving Dottore anymore…

[@fatuusdottore]

You're mentally ill if you believe Dottore is anything like Crucabena. FIrstly, we don't even know WHICH Dottore was at the House of the Hearth, it is more than likely a Segment, since I would find it difficult to believe Zandik would waste his time playing second fiddle to someone like Crucabena. However, the former HoTH still served a purpose, and likely, a segment who had a personality more along the lines of her is the one which was sent, we see they have different personalities from what the manhua offers in that younger Dottore (who most definitely is a Segment, especially considering the redesign and personality change, HE is a complete maniac, Zandik is not.) Zandik sees the bigger picture, just like the Tsaritsa, and we have gotten hints MANY times that Teyvat is essentially a simulation. To condemn Dottore/Zandik for what he does in the interest of saving humanity would be like condemning well, yourself, for what you do in the interest of gathering materials, etc. for your characters in the game. You're murdering those poor Hilichurls despite knowing they were once people, etc. and you excuse it by saying it is a game, right? Genshin isn't real, so therefore you're not actually committing atrocities every single day for primogems to advance your account. Well, neither is Dottore, in the interest of waking people from Teyvat's cycles/samsaras, and ushering the Tsaritsa's new world, where people will be allowed to flourish without the petty constraints of Celestia. Crucabena was someone who relished in suffering for no other reason than to inflict it, she had no grand goals, no bigger plan, we don't even know WHY she became a Harbinger, other than Genshin sweeping for/retconning Arlechomo's less savoury qualities out of fear of a Scaramouche 2.0 situation (they NERFed her darker side, creating this convoluted, shitty character, and trivialising the WQs in Inazuma/Liyue that concern her, absolutely disgraceful if you ask me.) In any case, you're quite bold to condemn someone without even knowing their full story, we know little of Zandik, and everyone has condemned pretty much every single Harbinger before their story is released. It is very clear Dottore is not only extremely loyal to the Tsaritsa (to the point of sacrificing his own research for her sake), and as we know from Hoyo dev interview, he WILL be a very huge part of the plot, as will the Tsaritsa, we also know the top three Harbingers are in a class unto their own, with lesser Harbingers such as Arlecchino, though not limited to her, being kept in the dark about what the Fatui's true intel/intentions are. To say nothing of the fact everything we know about how Teyvat works that didn't come from Dainsleif pretty much exclusively came from Dottore, so we have him to thank re: descenders, Teyvat being fake, etc. which Nahida passes onto us, but which is DOTTORE'S own intel. Since he has a bad relationship with Arlecchino and her own "intel" is often flawed, inaccurate, and very limited (we see this on various occasions, she has hubris but not the intelligence or strength to fight anyone who isn't a child or an amnesiac Traveller who forgot they could use elemental power...), we can presume Dottore's intel came from his own efforts and understanding of Teyvat, of which we are direct beneficiaries. Arlechomo, on the other hand, has contributed nothing to us despite being in intel, neither have Scaramouche or Childe, despite being friendly to us (aside from gossip about the other Harbingers, nothing special. We even see from Scaramouche how that can simply prove "wrong," granted, due to stupid retcon reasons but nevertheless, it remains that voice lines can simply be completely wrong, as Arlecchino's remain unchanged despite the pathetic sweeping on Hoyoverse's part.) Most importantly, we see Nicole bear witness to the events in Tatarasuna and Dottore's role in them, etc. and she never condemns him, understanding well the system of "fate" in Teyvat. You could completely erase Dottore from history and everything would have panned out exactly the same anyway, we learn that from Scaramouche's equally cringe-worthy, yet at least somewhat useful, AQ interlude. Fate is not so easily challenged in Teyvat, and even if you remove an entire being from the equation, events will remain the same if they are fated to occur, such as the downfall of the Raiden Gokaden being originally Scaramouche's doing, but after he 'erased' himself from history, it fell all the same. Likewise, if you got rid of Dottore, someone else would've found Scaramouche and the events of Tatarasuna would still happen, Collei would still have been treated for Eleazar with the non-retconned events of the manhua occurring (though it is worth mentioning that, unpleasant though she may have found it, Dottore DID save her life, even Tighnari is forced to concede this, which is why he isn't hostile to Dottore despite knowing who he is at Pardis Dhay. Moreover, he states the Dottore segment he encountered held no malice whatsoever, so every segment is truly different, adding to the further complexity of The Doctor. Sorry every character can't be one-dimensional soy slop like Arlechomo, some of them actually are well-written like Dottore. Dottore mogs that creepy femcel any day. As for Crucabena, well, she does create a lot of questions as to why the Tsaritsa would ever allow someone like her, since unlike Dottore, she has no aim that we know of nor even reason for becoming a Harbinger. Her entire reason for existing is just to make Arlechomo look better by comparison, which is how you know the latter is a shitty character -- good characters don't need to have a SatAM villain sloppily shoehorned to have their stories make sense, and it is so clear she WAS Arlecchino, it tbh would've been better even if they did something similar to Furina's consciousness split, insteaad of the nonsense they pulled. Not Hoyo's best writing to be sure, but Fontaine has been a weird version, with three great characters (Furina, Neuvillette, Navia) and an entire roster of utterly forgettable, inconsequential ones (aside from Skirk, who did more for the plot and player interest in the 3 seconds she appeaed than anyone else did in that entire AQ....)

[@fatuusdottore]

@@motemo8413Y'all are laughable. Capitano and the top three Harbingers absolutely work together, alongside Pierro and the Tsaritsa. Everyone else is in the dark about what the Fatui are truly about, as we learn from Arlechomo not knowing anything about Pierro and being purposely kept at arm's length from the true Fatui inner circle, likewise re: Childe, who was sent on a wild goose chase for Scaramouche in Inazuma. On the other hand, in WNL we see Capitano ask Dottore about the Electro Gnosis, he knows about the AG project, etc. It's so funny that y'all think we're dealing with such black and white, simplistic plots, when the Fatui are against the HP and that will doubtlessly require sacrifices on EVERYONE's part, for the greater good/goal. Capitano is righteous, but he isn't the moral arbiter of anything, lol. Furthermore, Dottore is more so someone who does what is necessary for a goal/plan, he isn't Crucabena or even someone like Pulcinella, lmao. Y'all need to actually examine a character before condemning them, oh and it would probably help to keep in mind that much of the manhua has been retconned/the Dottore featured there is clearly not Zandik/Prime, but clearly a segment. Their personalities couldn't be any more different, which is why my man got a whole redesign. A lot of the concepts from the manhua got retconned, actually, such as the diplomats being randos. Now, the Fatui Harbingers ARE the diplomats, but there are other differences, such as the manhua Segment not giving a toss about the Fatui at all and just doing what he pleases, whereas Omega/Zandik is willing to sacrifice his own research for the Tsarista's plan, something that segment would never do. This is made clear even in the cutscene with Nahida, yet y'all want to conflate.

[@kamikazeyo1379]

I am so attached to the Eleven Fatui Harbingers because they remind me of this organization group called the Organization XIII (13) in Kingdom Hearts 2, Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days and Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories specifically (it's not the one in Kingdom Hearts 3 cus it's different). Their black coats also remind so much of the Harbinger's white coats. It's a mysterious powerful organisation with a strong army full of monsters and each of the 13 members have so much personality, has a grand goal and hidden agendas that they can do whatever they want as long as they don't get caught and finish the tasks at hand and so unpredictable that you could never tell if they would betray their comrades for their own benefit, follow their superiors goals till the very end or to join the good guys to get rid of them. Most of all, each of their boss fights are so different from each other since they have different weapons that don't overlap, and they can do unique attacks with and without their weapons. They even have their own unique music just like the fatui harbingers. Anything I can say other than this is spoiler territory so yeah play the games yourself I just really love this mysterious organisation that is made of powerful individuals with hidden agandas fulfilling a grand goal trope, and I hope that hoyoverse keeps cooking with the Fatui Harbingers and give them some of the best writing possible

[@Gwen1661]

The Org XIII to Fatui pipeline is real

[@oneperson1772]

Fellow Kingdom Hearts enjoyer spotted ❤🫵

[@kayleighdriessen]

That's what got me feeling drawn to the Harbingers in the first place due to my hyper-fixation of Kingdom Hearts's Organization XIII😅❤

[@kloveart727]

i’ve drawn the harbingers (+ lumine and aether) in the black coats before, but i’d never even thought about the white coat thing lmao! both groups sure are awesome

[@biancatiberia8000]

YESS. Exactly!! I feel like that’s one of the things that made me so interested in the Harbingers. I don’t want to get spoilt, but I also found it funny how many similarities there are design wise between Scaramouche and Xion

[@rajaryan-fe1oy]

4:39 The BTW got me lol, like, they don't even bother telling us her name in the main storyline

[@chosoistryinghisbest]

i like the harbingers and i like that they're bad people. but what i like more than just their cruelty, is their determination. they are 100% having their own agendas and for most of them, they have no true loyalty to the Tsaritsa. Something Childe critiques them for, as he truly is loyal to the Tsaritsa. But I love that most of them aren't truly dedicated to the Tsaritsa, but rather they follow her because it is convenient and beneficial to them. I believe that not only does the Tsaritsa knows this, but she welcomes this even if some of them are detestable like Dottore. I like this because you would think, if the top 3 have the power rivaling the Gods, why would any one of them follow a single archon AND forced to work with others? Afterall, they could rebel and most people would be powerless to stop them. That's why it's so interesting that they are Harbingers. They didn't have to be here, but they are and they're damn near an unstoppable force.

[@Gwen1661]

I like Arlecchino because she is his morally grey character that is at times a walking contradition. that's what makes her interesting. What I don't like is certain fans deluding themselves into thinking she's "a good person" just because she doesn't do the hunger games shit like her perdecesor or saved Lynette like she did. She may be a whole lot better than Crucebana but she's still grooming orphans into becoming child soldiers and that doesn't make her a good person. This is a good thing!! She is supposed to be a villain!! But let's not kid ourselves, Arlecchino is not a good person.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

She is though. Very Traumatized and damaged however. You have to remember she was forced to run the House of the Hearth. What do you think will happen if she doesnt decide to make Child soldiers and just stop? She's stuck between a rock and a Hard place and has to make the Best and most pragmatic Choices she can. I think that's why she wants to make Lyney the next king. Hopefully she can break the House from the Fatui. I think she wants Lyney to be the next King of the house because he can change it to somethinf she can't because of how damaged she is as a Person.

[@Gwen1661]

A character having a traumatic backstory doesnt automatically make them a good person. Arlecchino is not a good person.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

@@Gwen1661 Dude analyze her Circumstances. She can't do much unless she's actively slolwy walking the House away from the Fatui. If her decision to walk Back Fatui operations in Fontaine is any indication. She's trying to walk the House away.

[@songsayswhat]

Exactly. She's interesting and complex. She can be "forgiving" if it suits her, but people need to remember she's essentially grooming these kids to be good little soldiers willing to give up their lives for her or the Tsarista.

[@kayleighdriessen]

Arlecchino despite overall not being exactly a "good person" still has standards and certain lines she refuses to cross like not allowing Dottore to continue what he was allowed to do to the House Of The Hearth's orphans by Crucabena. And her traumatic backstory does make some to most of her actions in present day understandable but definitely not excusable.

[@matecabello6390]

The most overrated characters in genshin ( my opinion). Remenber how their fans went crazy during signora demise and that fake leak of arlecchino death.

[@Truck-kun11]

In my opinion Genshin doesn't have "Villains" in the classic sense, just different people and groups with their own agendas doing what they consider right. The Abyss Order, The Fatui and even Celestia are all groups that are introduced as just villains to be stopped but the line between who is right and wrong becomes increasingly blurred as we learn more and more in the story. Even Dottore who is the closest we have to "pure evil" only does what he does in the name of science and human evolution and not because he just enjoys causing pain and i am curious so see the role he will have on the story

[@antihmota4625]

And wtf does that mean, in now way DOttore doing what he does in name of science redeem him. WTF is your statement. Is Ramsay Bolton also not classicaly villain, because he flayes people alive because he "thinks its the right thing to do???"

[@Truck-kun11]

@@antihmota4625 When did I say that this redeems him? I said that he is a character who does what he does for reasons that in his mind are worth it and not because he likes to cause pain. He won't just kill someone on the street for no reason or torture someone just for pleasure, but at the same time he won't hesitate to use an innocent person as a guinea pig to advance his research. (This is all considering Prime Dottore, as we saw that each of his segments can have very different personalities)

[@aeso3555]

Causing immense pain and death in the name of science is evil though.

[@Truck-kun11]

@@aeso3555 Yes, it is definitely evil but for me it is not "Pure Evil" as there is nuance behind it Characters that are "Pure Evil" are those with extremely basic reasons or no reason at all for doing what they do with good examples being Scar, Jafar, Jack Horner, Voldermort, Palpatine, etc...

[@Jasiuc330]

@@Truck-kun11 With Palpatine I would argue here. He wanted to turn republik into empire and by that gave stability and peace to every corner of galaxy, not selected few that was under republik cape. Does he ruled with iron fist and terror? He did. But for common folk mostly it was a dream scenario (excluding some extreme cases which were only few [don't know much outside movies, but as far I know it indeed was only few]). Imagine that your planet is controlled by rogues and scumbags and you literally are afraid to set your foot wrong, cause in other case you gonna end up as slave and republik have you deep in their ass. Empire provided protection which is mentioned in "Empire Strikes Back" and they offer employment and contracts directly with them that finally allowed engineers around galaxy to develop something new, cause as we know during republik times everything in terms of technology was in stagnation, cause Jedi wanted so. And everything that only for exterminating Jedi and loyalty for Emperor.

[@ZE.brigitte]

About Wanderer, wasn't there is a lore thing about him and Alhaitham going to arrest some people, and while he was the one beating the shit out of everyone Alhaitham was just...There waiting for him to finish ? No, but, I believe that Nahida is the best god for him, because both are quite similar yet opposite. And I like how even if he is still an asshole you can see he is trying to kinda redeem himself and help other (Like when he gave that bottle of water to Tighnari)

[@Sarah-iq3sc]

looll, you're right. I remember it was to track the son of the diadem's owner who want to sabotage the event and take the diadem so he can gain his father's wealth or something. I guess he's the type to not like negotiation and pick a "faster" route, yeah he is still very much a jerk and Alhaitham you're no different 🤣

[@grimmfate8078]

...Yeah, that sounds about right; Wanderer doing his "negotiations" and Alhaitham just letting him cook.

[@ZE.brigitte]

@@Sarah-iq3sc Honestly, I can see him staying a jerk, but that still care for human life

[@Sarah-iq3sc]

@@ZE.brigitte loveable jerk 🥰

[@catdownthestreet]

​@@Sarah-iq3sc living up to my pfp here, but if you listen to Alhaitham's voice lines he's actually just socially idiotic. He definitely doesn't try to be a jerk, he just comes across as one because he doesn't like being around people my nerd glasses are now off so you can continue lol

[@Disorder2312]

24:12 Correction. She only tries to steal the Gnosis. And she doesn't change her mind, she just fails to do it, because Furina didn't have it.

[@maxirocitrizus4516]

24:43 I disagree, she did punish Lyney, Lynette and Freminet. That's whole reason they fought in the first place.

[@roserise_]

Archelino is a bit inconsistent as a character.. After meeting countless fatui Snezhevich in the desert, the chasm treated like disposable object. And let's not forget how these children become "orphans" but she's good and the orphanage is a big family lol..

[@thomasraines1396]

They had to backpedal hard to make her playable.

[@daffafatih8669]

"She's good" where? Did we play the same game? Or you just didnt understand her. she's literally a gray characte or morally questionable and she only makes HOTH slightly better than Crucabena, although she still sends and makes fatui soldiers, which makes sense because that's her job. She may not understand how to love her children, but she still tries to cherish them as much as possible, for example when there is a big life-threatening mission, such as the fatui in the desert and the chasm, she will hold a large banquet as a way for her to show her concern, incase those who celebrated the party did not come back alive she only acts according to her moral code, it cannot be justified as good or bad, if you don't understand this concept, you haven't read enough literature or character analysis

[@yourlocalherb]

Don't know how you got this take. Arlechinno isn't written to be completely evil or completely good. She's probably one of Genshin's most complex characters. In her story quest (spoilers ahead), she raises the children to believe that if they ever try to leave the House, they'd be executed. When she fights her kids, she doesn't hold back and in the cutscene both the Traveller and the children look absolutely terrified of her because yk, they believe they're gonna die. She's better than Crucibena, that's for sure, but she isn't this all loviñg completely benevolent parental figure to them. She takes in orphans and basically raises them to be soldiers for the Fatui - a life they never asked for. That being said, she also does care about them in her own way. She holds the hand of her dying children and enacts vengeance for her so she can rest peacefully in her teaser. She burns away the memories from the children who wish to leave the House instead of murdering them. She's a walking contradiction, and that's what makes her so interesting.

[@daffafatih8669]

@@yourlocalherb Arlecchino still hold back when she fought traveler, lyney, lynette and freminet, she barely even trying. (Source : Lyney dialogue after Traveler fought the Knave)

[@keiths2902]

I think Arle herself said to the Traveler that she likes being misconceived. If I remember correctly, it's when she lets Traveler know that she knows Lyney is going behind her back. That or its when she gives Lyney another day. Traveler expresses surprise she would be lenient and not just kill him on sight, and that's when she says that.

[@DreamTraveller1]

Perhaps I've left this too late, but I suppose it's relevant to this video. I've always felt a strange disconnect between how the Fatui and their Harbingers have been portrayed in the early game and how they're depicted now. I think this shift started some time around Sumeru when they actually attempted to make Scaramouche into a character and not some leering goon whose sole purpose is to be threatening, but with that pivot came a rather peculiar change. The Fatui - who all attack on sight in the overworld, no questions asked - are introduced as troublemakers at the best of times, and that's putting it lightly. Despite having political sway with Mondstadt, something one thinks would be deserving of consideration before any action was to be taken, they have no qualms with rocking up to the country's most sacred site, assaulting its god and robbing him blind. They had no reservations about attempting to steal the lyre, nor did the group contracted by the Lawrences seem to blanche at the prospect of destroying Mondstadt's leadership - this after the events of the main story, by the way, where the Fatui decided their presence was no longer necessary. Liyue then makes them worse by having them directly invade one of Teyvat's nations without care or concern for any collateral damage, their actions only being contained by the Traveler and their pals and (in the EN dub, at least) Childe not having any regard for what may happen after Osial is unleashed, and Inazuma makes them worse still, instigating a civil war and being responsible for who knows how much destruction and death, with Scaramouche and Signora being characterised as antagonistic, callous blowhards who care not a jot for the suffering they're causing. Dottore does them no favors, caring for nothing but the advancement of his own twisted form of scientific progress. Then something..._happens._ Suddenly, Scaramouche's character is explored, in an attempt to make him sympathetic - and yes, I know this was rooted in artifact sets introduced in Inazuma and that his character is turned away from the Fatui, point still stands. Suddenly, Arlecchino - the one member of the Harbingers everybody thought was a deranged maniac who kept her barely restrained madness in check under a fragile mask of civility - is perhaps the most reasonable Harbinger of them all outside of Capitano and it turns out the old conceptions of her exist because she allows them to, and the other Harbingers seemed to attribute Crucabena's actions to her. At least Childe did, and we did too, because it's the old Knave who was the real problem, turns out. The House of the Hearth kids are all likeable characters with noble goals and motives when before Fontaine we'd seen them do things like disrupt the foundation of nations, and kidnapping children to try and capture the Aranara in turn. There's been a very dramatic change towards trying to make the Fatui at large seem far more sympathetic than they've been shown to be previously, and in the process of this change, I think the folks in charge have just forgotten to make sense of how unrepentantly hostile the Fatui have been leading up to this. I think that's the cause for this disconnect.

[@musicunitedmine]

I'll be honest with you. At this point in the story, I am 100% sure Childe would have saved Liyue himself if people or Zhongli hadn't. There is just 0 chance he wouldn't, especially after that quest with Knave + the dude likes to challenge difficult opponents. The only question would be, how long it would take him to do so since he couldn't really use foul legacy after he fought Traveler. Altho, again after Fontaine quests, I am sure the dude would just power up and not care lol. Therefor, I will put him on a higher scale for "not evil", we also don't really know what Tsaritsa is after or if she is actually evil, since so far every archon praised how good and warm hearted she was before Khaenri'ah war, but did not comment anything about now, just that she changed... Which doesn't necessarily means "evil". And Childe only agrees with Tsaritsa and no one else from HB (until he actually talks with Knave lol). As far as we know, all the orders might be coming from Jester~ For Scara, I think it's safe to put 2 time lines for him specifically, while yes the erased memory is his atonement of some sort it also represents rebirth for him or new beginning~ Therefor, Scara should be placed at the same spot as Signora (where he is originally placed on ur chart) and new Scara (however u named him) probably above Childe when it comes to "evil" and "not evil" ~ Knave is also not really evil or actually have any choice in the matter when it comes to joining FH, at least thats how I understood. She had to take her "mother" place after she killed her, if she didn't join she would have been killed and the kids from orphanage would most likely be kill or taken by Dottore as experiments, and after reading dialogue she had with Childe it's safe to assume she joined because of the kids. The kids also needed to be trained in order to survive as fatui or again, they would be killed or sent to Dottore. So, her grooming them is basically grooming them for their own survival. For Dottore, I also don't think he would be a playable character. He is just too morally wrong for me to see Hoyo making him one of the playable characters. That said, I did watched a video where someone said that it would be possible if we were to play one of his clones that is actually good, I can 100% see that being the case. Otherwise, nope. I also strongly believe that Jester is using Tsaritsa. He would be the main villain in Snezhnaya and he will be very morally right but at the same time very morally wrong. 100% will have to do with what happened in Khaenri'ah and will be some sort of plot for revenge. I am very much so excited to see other FH, especially Columbina and Capitano (also finally get the full Childe story, it's been years now and all they been doing is fueling my curiosity towards him. What makes him so special? Is he actually a real MC of Genshin? Have we been all fooled this entire time thinking it was the traveler? I actually wouldn't be surprised) 😂

[@TheCrimsonWitchofFlames]

alright. correction. signora did NOT accept traveler's duel. rewatch it. traveler challenges her, signora quietly huffs, and before she can say a SINGLE WORD. raiden says "proceed." Signora is wary of the traveler, childe says this. this is further proven by Signora trying to scare the traveler into calling off the duel, going "you are aware that the loser must die.. are you SURE this is what you want?" she was forced into the duel by inazuman law and murdered unrightfully.

[@hectorlackless]

I alredy disliked him and after this brief analysis of scara vs all other fatui before him I am surprised he is more morally corrupt than signora. Nahida is excesively good to even give him a chance and I am kinda surprised the traveler showed any mercy for him.

[@cupiidity_]

He changed a little on the 4.8 event ig

[@hectorlackless]

@@cupiidity_ I haven't done it but suspected as much thanks to the stream but I doubth anything would make me like him and the point still stands of how he compared for all his fatui career vs signora and the others, the difference is that scara found nahida and signora found raiden.

[@cupiidity_]

@@hectorlackless You should really do the event, it shows nahida's influence on him

[@jagrutinagarkar]

i see a new otsu vid, i click, very simple person

[@Makinimi]

15:26 I knew that the balladeer would be incredibly abusive and rude to his subordinates, but he would HIT them? I shoudlve expected that but i didn't know. Where did you find that out?

[@kawaiibeans1128]

It’s stated in the Husk of Opulent Dreams set!

[@thebidge]

Something I would always like about Childe is how....Despite everything, he is still a kid at heart, heck, the game even said so ("Childlike exterior", "pretty boy"), and even is the youngest of the Harbinger, although, this childish side is kinda...Corrupted, in a way. There was this long analysis by someone who is VERY good at analysis, but sadly don't post anymore, about him. And they talked about it Basically. His Foul Legacy in the Golden House can be interpreted almost as a temper tantrum, and he needed to think a bit before realising that the Traveler had no chance (Btw, some translation of the game implies that the Foul Legacy prevent him from thinking coherently, which may add to this) He also has yet to fully mature, because at the end, he doesn't want to share his boat with Signora. And that his battle thirsting is like a child craving for something Heck, it even stand today, because in the Archon Quest, despite him pretty much about to loose counsciouness, instead of like, going to the side to rest, he is being very petty and give that thumb down to Neuvillette (which is confirmed to be him being petty, look at the stickers) And in Arlecchino story quest, not only he just, run away, instead of resting, but he immediatly want to spar. Also, Arlecchino voiceline about him tell a lot too

[@dalkflamemastel4542]

How evil Arlecchino's current actions depends on how you view Teyvat. Is there place for orphans. We know some of them are in max security prison just because. Arlecchino was raised to believe survival of the fittest mentality, so in her mind rising children with skills less than savory in our world might be only way for them to survive in Teyvat. I think Arlecchino has best intentions for people of House in a world that doesn't have ways to protect people less fortunate than others. Arlecchino's motivation might just be to keep people of the house alive, if so she would be morally good character in Teyvat. If she had other motivations for the house she would be evil.

[@MarcoCam1314]

Dude, she trains child soldiers, and we have confirmation that they DIE, like fucking die from missions. She also accepts psychopaths, like Foltz (may he burn in hell). This is like saying a pedophile is good in a world with no orphanages because he is the only one giving orphans a home, with the caveat that he uses them to sell "stuff" to other pedos in his pedo organization. The fact they are kept alive is a bare minimum, and shouldnt influence at all the fact that the children are still exploited by the character in question. Now imagine how much worse is Arlecchino that she trains them for mission where they 1) DIE in, 2) most likely have to kill innocents in cuz i doubt the fatui conviniently only make her target evil people, 3) She abuses them psychologically, to the point they fear death with her, and even if the death part is fake they still get their memory whipped, which is essencially death of character. People just bend over backwards for Arleccino because she is "cool character mommy" that sometimes helps out, but 100% does so with ulterior motives. And the writters know this, which is why they have to bend over backwards to justify her being more "sanitized" than Dottore, which is a very very low bar to clear. For example the flooding in Poisson, i call bullshit on Arlecchino just happening to be investigating a ruin near it with just the right amount of fatui and supplies to help the town, because they had to make her and the other fatui scum "heroes" in fontaine. I

[@WassaWaterline]

18:57 Yeah, like he respected Niwa, until some random guy lied to him and he immediately believed it. So we just have to wait until Dottore comes back, lies about Nahida to him again in some disguise and he will be a full villain again.

[@tylercoep0588]

Scaramouche is literally a product of society. True he had the body of a small adult, but he was blank on the inside like a child. So society and the people he met made the ¨monster¨ we meet in the archon quest. That´s why I love his character so much

[@FIIIVE]

If they redeem Dottore I’m punching a wall as dottore’s n.1 enthusiast

[@Ублюдокматьтвоюануидисюда]

they kinda already did, didn't they? i mean that moment in the AQ when he deleted his "evil" segments

[@Blueberry173.]

​@@Ублюдокматьтвоюануидисюдаhe didn't delete his "evil" counterparts, he deleted ALL other copies. And what makes you think the the original dottore is a "good" guy? He's pure evil lmao.

[@Ублюдокматьтвоюануидисюда]

@@Blueberry173. why would he even delete his copies? Hoyo's gonna redeem him, they already did. He says that he hates his younger version of himself, but why? Because they're chaotic evil, but now he's GoOd lmao. There hasn't been a single non playable character with playable model yet and they're gona redeem this mf 100%

[@Blueberry173.]

@@Ублюдокматьтвоюануидисюда lmfaoooo do you even read the story properly? Go and watch the scene with nahida, he doesnt delete his "evil" counterparts he deletes all of them, that was the deal he had with nahida. And no, the original dottore is evil too, he is literally the mastermind over turning scaramouche like how he is, causing the tatarasuna tragedy and even almost everything that happened in sumeru, he was working with the grand sage. I am not saying that they "WON'T" redeem them but they haven't done it yet, the original dottore has done a lot of bad shit and has been a mastermind in all of it. Also, signora had a proper model, but she isn't playable, so it's wrong to say he will be playable just because he had a proper model. He is a very important villain in the story and the problem is that the only way to redeem a person like him is to completely bullshit on the story, he doesnt deserve it. Scaramouche was redeemed because he wasn't the mastermind who pulled the strings, but was a manipulated weapon. Dottore is literally in control with almost everything evil the fatui do lmao. It makes no sense to redeem him.

[@Ублюдокматьтвоюануидисюда]

@@Blueberry173. proper model doesn't mean playable. He has fat default tall male model's cheeks. I know he's evil and all, i've read manhua, but they really did redeem him (partly). I'm kind of tired of writing in americano, so ответь мне на вопрос: зачем он удалил свои копии? Почему разработчики сделали так, что он ненавидит свои "молодые" и более "злые" свои копии?

[@ReiAyanami8]

I'm somewhat annoyed by Arlecchino's moral ambiguity because it feels like, to me anyway, that it was only written in to give the writers a way to justify the popular theory that the Fatui "had good intentions all along", a potential twist that I absolutely hate. The Fatui have done so much illegal and violent shit that it's basically impossible for me to see them as "good guys", but just as I'm thinking "I guess if there was a kind of rogue faction with the Fatui that could potentially explain it away, but there's been no indication that has been the case." And then by the end of Arlecchino's introduction the House of the Hearth was pretty much established to be that rogue faction, and I was just so overcome with a sense of "Well, better late than never! I GUESS!!!" Her voice lines even have her basically saying "I may be loyal to the Tsarista, bUuUuUuUuT if she does something I don't agree with I would fight against her. Hint, hint, wink, wink, nudge, nudge- **turns on megaphone and places it next to your ear** GET IT?! I'M FORSHADOWING!!!"

[@thomasraines1396]

It’s like the parody of “The Shawshank Redemption” where Peter very slowly turns and looks at the audience when he comments on the fact that Andy and Red being friends - as Red is black - would make it more special for the audience.

[@Louis-gk7rk]

I don't know about the other harbingers, but Dottore's goal has always been good, for humans to defeat teyvat's law is a good goal, but the methods are evil but also realistic i guess

[@jonathanrobinson198]

In my opinion, I’m pretty annoyed and not fond of Arlecchino’s character. There’s so much text and lines about her being crazy and how terrible the House is but when she finally had a role to play they introduced her caring for kids and a previous harbinger being worse. They also don’t bring up that she’s still very much bringing children into a war and if they want out they have to fight for it; as if they actually chose to be apart of Fatui scheming. I think she would’ve been more interesting if they just actually made her act terribly and loyal to the cause.

[@daffafatih8669]

Calm down, her character arc wasnt even begin😂, Fontaine is just prologue to her character, considering she is related to Khaenriah Dynasty i dont have a doubt her character will get alot attention in the main story later

[@jonathanrobinson198]

@@daffafatih8669 that doesn’t negate the fact she was first debuted right before Sumeru, was given multiple quests lines for lore, and marketed in a way that made it seem she’d be heavily involved in Fontaine but was barely on screen during the Archon Quests. In terms of how the other harbingers have been introduced and spoken of before getting active, Arlecchino is just very unimpressive and boring to me. I’d think differently if her own quest and had a few other tidbits had leaned into her ancient lore instead of trying to go against the image of her being crazy and unfeeling that the game itself presented for more than a year.

[@thomasraines1396]

They had to backtrack hard.

[@daffafatih8669]

@@jonathanrobinson198 I think it's just a matter of taste, maybe you like the harbringer who is aggressive and dominant in his debut and role in the region. Regarding the issue of whether she plays a big role or not, I think that Arlecchino actually plays a very big role in Fontaine, it's just that she plays more on the political side than other harbringers who have to step in and work hard to get gnosis, she is very diplomatic, in fact I think she is the only harbringer who deserves to be called a real diplomat, and plus she was the first person to realize that Furina was not a hydro archon, who then gave instructions to HotH to save the drowning citizens of Fontaine. I think she is someone who is more concerned with sitting and drinking tea while negotiating and talking like a diplomat, compared to other harbringers who take very arrogant and confrontational steps like signora, tartaglia, and scaramouche. the three of them weren't like diplomats at all. Regarding how many characters or NPCs talk about various perceptions about her, from a wolf in sheep clothing to a selfish person, these are just various misconceptions from other people that Arlecchino wants. Her character theme is closely related to the theater theme, even in Fontaine's overture trailer she is on stage talking about perceptions and deceptive personas surrounded by many shadows of harbringers, as if she is exuding a false persona in front of the harbringers who are her audience Regarding why her ancient lore hasn't been discussed in the game, it's probably because it's not the time yet. She is closely related to Khaenriah as a descendant of the ruler of a dynasty that has a hereditary curse, of course this contains a lot of lore that Genshin players should not accept at this time and will probably be discussed further ahead of the Khaenriah chapter. Moreover, there is a possibility that the Genshin anime will discuss her dynasty and ancient power, considering that the Genshin anime will be used as a lore summary which will take place during the archon war era, where the dynasty led by the ancestor Arlecchino was already established in this era. For me, Arlecchino is the most enjoyable harbringer so far, its fresh to see a real diplomat comes to action

[@jonathanrobinson198]

@@daffafatih8669 I think youre missing my point. I don’t need a Harbinger to be aggressive out of the box. I think Dottore is amazing and he schemes in the background. My two main issues stem from Hoyo giving players information to create a misconception of a character for multiple years. It means anyone who was actually interested in that kind of narrative or character has waited for nothing because the points of interest aren’t real or heavily misconstrued. It’s one thing to do that for a patch or two, but another if the drip feeding of info from the beginning isn’t correct at all. Second, Arlecchino talks a lot about people needing to take matters into their own hands, and defying fate where I god could not; then isn’t even in the room to learn the truth behind everything and ultimately didn’t achieve what she thought she could. Everything went as Focalor wanted. Nothing was stopped with her efforts aside from offering the idea of a curse at work and saving half a town. Skirk told Neuvillette to get rid of the Gnosis so he had no issue giving it to her when asked in the first place. Then leaves. She’s not even from Fontaine and made her show up just to push the appeal of her caring about the kids. They even gave her a voice line saying she’d betray the Tsaritsa if it came down to it, so from every angle of a harbinger doing their job to her actual contributions so far in the story, she’s by far the least impressive and interesting to me. Dottore at the very least orchestrated openings and applied pressure to get gnosis and the years of lore Hoyo gave Scara to stir interest for people, didn’t turn out to be inaccurate the moment he’s advertising for being involved in an Archon Quest. I’d like Arlecchino a lot more if they talked about her fondness for the orphans from the start and not two years later.

[@lorddaraken7568]

Tartaglia's Agressiveness might be tied to his trauma from the abyss, survival of the fittest, he would be Really into getting stronger to protect the people he cares about.

[@thebidge]

It's most likely abyssal corruption than just trauma

[@massimilianoreali4398]

His litteral constellation, the very thing that represent his fate, was warped by a all devouring narwhal to a point that the narwhal and his nature became tartaglia constellation its pretty obvious that it isn't trauma but something worse

[@thebidge]

@@massimilianoreali4398 Also his name if from Greek Mythology, so, it's only going to go downhill

[@massimilianoreali4398]

@@thebidge honestly I just hope that pulcinella will not do low blow we have already hints that he basically have in his hand the family of tartaglia

[@thebidge]

@@massimilianoreali4398 I feel like he is a logical type of character. He want the best, but doesn't care about the sacrifice he will make

[@rajaryan-fe1oy]

No way Dottore gets a redemption arc right, RIGHT HOYO?!?!

[@zente3003]

After the things he has done to Collei, Scaramouche, all the folks at the dessert, and who knows how many other poor souls, HOPEFULLY NOT

[@Shadowz_417]

I hope he won't have a redemption arc

[@silverhawkscape2677]

They won't give him a redemption arc. Remember Dottore's Clones? They'll give us a Blank Clone as a Pull.

[@aeso3555]

Hmm, let's see: - Charmed a classmate and strangled her to death, then lured tigers to mutilate her body to cover up his crimes. - Set loose a ruin grader to kill off the rest of his classmates to eliminate any weaknesses. - Conducted experiments on Eliezar patients using DISMEMBERED body parts. - Kidnapped children from all over Teyvat to conduct more experiments. One of the victims being Collei. - Sabotaged the Mikage furnace inTatarasuna, killed Niwa, manipulated Kabukimnon and corrupted him into becoming a cynical, nation destroying monster. Oh yeah, and Tatarasuna is still devastated to this day. - Implied to have been the one responsible for luring Ursa the Drake to attack Diluc's caravan, resulting in Crepus' death and sending Diluc down the path of leaving the KOF and becoming a brooding anti-hero. Also mocked and taunted Diluc during their encoutner. - Collaborated with the sages of the Akademiya to create an artificial god by putting the citizens of Sumeru inside a looping dream. - Worked with Crucabina, another equally morally bankrupt Harbinger. This man has traumatized and ruined the lives of at least three playable characters (Collei, Wanderer and possibly Diluc). At this point, there needs to be a therapy group for all of his victims. This man has the word EVIL plastered on his face and he'll wear it with pride.

[@millie567]

@@aeso3555 "This man has the word EVIL plastered on his face and he'll wear it with pride.", more like, he wouldn't care about being called evil. It's just a word to him, nothing more, nothing less. He is just "happy"(insanely so) to be able to continue doing his sick experiments, without caring what anyone might think of him.

[@ido_artiguess]

The fun thing but at times problem with genshin is that 99% of its lore is implied or shut behind 500 hour world quest that goes on forever and by the end you just want it to end. Not all the Harbingers and other characters development is plainly visible or even confirmed, even with how deep we are into the game there’s a very large amount of lore and story that is just walls on walls of text, random references here and there, or just random world quests that no one cares about. It must be so that people who want to just play it as a fighting game can while lore players can go diving for the lore like a mystery or puzzle game which is nice at times but sometimes it can take away or make developments seem like they come out of nowhere.

[@tsunderemerc2963]

My main problem with Scaramouche is the caviat that, because Irmunsul, the world forgets him. Any potential for character interaction is just gone (like how he meets Mona again in the 2024 summer event, but naturally they play it like nothing happened), and it feels like, just like the horrible actions Raiden did, his evildoing is just brushed over because he's so dreamy and handsome!! It feels like all that buildup they had for his character just goes to waste because, in a literal sense, nobody knows or cares about it now, and because of Scaramouche's personality, he doesn't care that the world has forgotten him either. And if you think about it, he kills himself twice when he gets his memories back since he just goes back to being the mean version of himself, just with no motive to do evil now. They literally just had to reset him in the story, and it makes his prior involvement feel like a complete waste because it doesnt matter. Also Arlecchino's whole thing of "I don't ACTUALLY kill kids, I just gaslight them into thinking I'm going to kill them! (unless you count a memory wipe as a metaphorical death)" I get that she has her reasons for grooming child soldiers, and that's its to meet her own ends, but it still feels like they have to handwave some things so that she has "good" in her rather than being completely evil or morally gray. It feels more like Lyney chooses to stay with an abuser after seeing what he does at the end of her quest and how even the young kids were turning on each other and growing bloodthirsty. I do like that they are morally gray, just wished they commit to it more rather than having to force in a plot point or two in order to say "theyre good people actually"

[@MxPokirby]

Ego death is still death.

[@tova2635]

i think having characters be on good terms with the traveler before becoming playable is one of Genshin's biggest flaws in term of storytelling. because the writers basically shape and twist and retcon A LOT of stuff to do that. it has gotten to the point where i am praying that the rest of the harbingers never become playable. just see them reach their full potential as characters. i will get hate for this for sure. i know. but Arle as a character is the biggest disappointment i have in the game. they literally got all her lore and what we heard about her and what she was built up as, and shoved that shit unto some last minute woman we never heard about, and had Arle kill her just before she launched. all this to justify the house of the hearth shenanigans. like yeah you ain't fooling me with that "morally gray" nonsense genshin. Arle was retconed. let's not be naive.

[@daffafatih8669]

listen here, I'm not naive, but I don't think you understand her character. As we know, her character has been discussed a lot since Inazuma, then by Childe and Scaramouche, and I think it would be very silly if you believe all the info about her. Arlecchino itself is a parallel or has similarities to Furina through theatrical concepts and misconceptions. You can see how Arlecchino appears in the Fontaine preview trailer on the theater stage surrounded by harbringers as her audience. Arlecchino also said she likes it when people have misconceptions about her, so don't be surprised if she is the opposite of what people think about her

[@PeruvianPotato]

@@daffafatih8669 Alright but it's rather obvious they had different plans for her and only arbitrarily changed it at last minute just to get more banner pulls. I can already tell if Capitano and Columbina become playable that their writing will be insanely neutered just for higher success.

[@rain_drop23]

I really like Dottore. He's such an interesting character and finally a REAL villain. I'm really excited to see more of his lore in the future :D !!!

[@eisflamme2438]

I think Signora will return, there are alot of signs.

[@antihmota4625]

Watch out to not choke on that hopium!

[@Heyaheyaheya7]

🗡️🔥😱

[@eisflamme2438]

​@@antihmota4625 You seem to think i desperately want her to return. That is not the case. I dont particularly like her. I feel sorry for her past and thunk ther themes are cool, but how it is right now, i wouldnt pull for her. I just think her comming back is logical given what we know and not bringing her back would be a huge missed opportunity from hoyos side.

[@nationalgeografic7687]

Pls no

[@eisflamme2438]

@@nationalgeografic7687 Hm? Why not?

[@TheDarkZoren]

If Detore ever becomes playable I would bet my account that it would be a newlywed created segment of himself that harbors no sin.

[@naturalhorn]

That’s what I am saying- a fledgling out of the nest…

[@LeonardoGolden]

I might be overcooking but get this: Dottore might be the least evil harbinger. Because let me preface this with some opinions and speculations of mine. (delulu moment) Murder is evil, and Dottore has committed a lot of murders. He has also done a lot of illegal experimentations, and a lot of them were fatal. So, in the view of Teyvat, he is evil, true. Teyvat it speculated to be a world that's in a Samsara, a.k.a. it's been on a cycle, and we also know that fates are already written in the stars, as if your entire life is predestined. It is also speculated to be its 7th cycle, because all characters from Teyvat have 6 constellations, and you need the character itself too, making it 7 copies, and in one of the loading screen tips, it says that "Wherever you go in Teyvat, the stars will always have a place for you." In that case, I'd like to speculate that the "Truth of This World" is that Teyvat is a simulation, a program of sorts being run by Celestia. (not really a program but yk what i mean. for example, something like ark survival evolved, kinda...) Dottore knows the "Truth of This World", therefore, I'd like to say that in Dottore's mind, he is not killing anyone, he is not harming anyone, this is all just a simulation, this is all fake. Death means nothing if you are going to be reborn in the next Samsara. One would not call a programmer deleting lines of code from a program _evil._ Yeah, I'm delusional, I should seek help... huh...? p.s. my english not good, pls no bully me

[@nothing1214]

Sooo... so far the antagonists in Genshin have to chose one of these two paths: "A morally bad but still interesting villain that is acting like how a villain SHOULD be acting, you know what fuck this let's just kill them off and almost never mention them again, they won't sell bc sensitive players will not handle them!" "Oh actually this "villain" isn't as bad as we made them seem to be, it was some other character's fault why they ended up like this, they are just misunderstood and a little morally gray that's all! So please pull for them!" So far Il Dottore is carrying the entire antagonist role with his balls while surrounded by fuckers picking flowers with the traveller.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Correction. Chinese Laws will now allow a full Villain to be Playable. The most they can be is Morally Grey lile anti hero or anti villain. Like Sunday and Sparkle feom HSR. Sparkle was just a Chaotic Neutral for the lols characters and Sunday is more of the Symphathetic villain who doesn't want people to suffer but will do so by locking them in a Dream where the Impossible that cannot happen in reality can exist.

[@SageRuffin]

@@silverhawkscape2677 Meanwhile, Freeza keeps getting resurrected despite being someone who _revels_ in being a murderous, tyrannical lunatic (and also because Goku is a battle-hungry idiot).

[@thebidge]

I feel like Childe is one of the best villain (Yes, I'll consider him a villain) Because, not only he never asked for a redemption, but, he act like a villain WHEN he should act like one, not randomly. Liyue show that he can be cruel and cunning. And Fontaine never had him had redemption, sure, he was guilty of the one crime he didn't commit, but it's still don't justifie him. Heck, even his brawl with the Narwhal is likely purely selfish, because 1. He is batshit crazy 2. He had no idea of the prophecy, and how this thing will drown Fontaine. Also, the thumb down to Neuvillette has been confirmed not to be saying "he don't have much time or something like that", but instead him being petty, which I really like Also, he DOES get karma at multiple point. And, while it's likely he was corrupted by the abyss, it's still...Kinda his own fault, they don't try to make it the fault of someone else, even better, Childe quite literally accepted he'll get worst since, while he was "forced", he still agreed to enter the Fatui only to fight, and to serve the Tsaritsa

[@badbitch9773]

If i may ask. What is he carrying? Like being just evil? I could that you want someone to be purely evil, but the Fatui has never been stated being someone with only evil intentions. We dont really know what they even want except tht it has something to do with the gnoses. And antagonist's dont have to be evil, it just has to be someone that goes agents the main character's motivation. And pickibg flowers are quite the streach, even for the joke. If what you mean by picking flowers is talking to the traveler, and them not being on compleatly bad terms. Yeah you would be right. And the only one that could be said to literally be picking flowers, would be wanderer. The others are still evil, and very much so. Simply because childe doesnt kill infront of us, doesnt mean that he doesnt kill on a regular basis. And we do also have the abyss order, and if your gonna say "They go under the same things" they dont. They act evil, and are evil. Its fair if you want a completely evil character to play as, but saying the story doesnt have anything else then the doctor isnt really right, because it was never said that the fatui was that, and we have the abyss order.

[@bagirute112]

You did several lore mistakes: Cryo archon gives out delusions not Jester. Iirr it was also Tsaritsa who saved Signora not Jester. Scaramouche joined fatui after he lost his child friend , not after murdering Raiden gokaden. He also didnt stop his killing spree because he got bored, but because he met Niwas descendant and that pulled his heart strings. Scara also doesnt hate Ei , he more resents her and wants her approval. He also has multiple hints throughout his story that he's quite soft and normal , but he hides it under facade. His lore also hint that his violent behaviour came from doctor after he was tortured and after he went to abyss , which corresponds to what we know how childe came to be a lil unhinged. Its hinted that Arle cannot be as emotional as Scara or Childe because that causes her body to become more "ill" so shes emotional but she cannot let them control her Also we know why Arle has special powers - its because she is a descendant of Khaenriah Crimson moon lineage. We know why Jester made scara a fatui. He had use to fatui long term plans ( which might be or not be related to making new decender). So they knew scara had no interest in loyalty but he had a lot of potential use, thats why doctor lied and jester "joined" in doc to lean scara into being fatui.

[@bonk8311]

no, the jester gives delusions. in childe's delusion story pierro gives him his delusion. kabokimono joined the fatui after the tatarasuna incident, dottore offered him to join idk where u got the info abt niwas descendant? maybe it's in a character story (i don't have wanderer) but according to the husk of opulent dreams he stopped killing people because he was bored and the last part i also have no idea where u got that from lol

[@bagirute112]

@@bonk8311 A direct quote from the game : *Delusions are treasures of incredible power, granted by Her Majesty the Tsaritsa in person. Whether faith or Vision, a Delusion makes them all look like child's play.* Delusions are rarely given to someone else other than harbringers ( all harbringers have one). Kabuki didnt join right after tatarasuna, as he had yet to experience his "third betrayal" then wandered inazuma for some time until Jester found him. Its mentioned in his lore and in the story video. That he encountered niwas decendant was mentioned directly in the event and indirectly by kazuha when he was talking about how he should not go for revenge against kunikuzushi. I also think it was mentioned further into quests but that would require going through entire scaras lore document and he has *a lot of lore*, like hes all over tataratsunas papers and hidden in the events and so on. Plius you cant take everything about scara at face value. Its been shown few times - best example is ei stuff scara thinks she abandomed him for being weak and emotional yet what actually happened is that ei saw tears as humanity trait and didnt want him suffer same fate as her sister or be used as a tool and bring him sadness. This causes character conflict and depth which is why ppl want see em both so badly. To see what he values and what hes like you can from his character menu and teapot lines. Last part is from newest books and character lines. Dottore says all that stuff in IoG quest. All of this can be learned by just playing the game.

[@kiyoqqq]

“He also didnt stop his killing spree because he got bored, but because he met Niwas descendant and that pulled his heart strings.” not true. he threatened that dude and made him fear for his life and led to the downfall of that clan. he wanted him to remember the name kunikuzushi, it was out of revenge and hatred. not sorrow. he hated niwa. and it is stated that he stopped bc his plans grew dull. “The wanderer would never admit to this. He would never admit that he had done this as an act of revenge against the bladesmith. Nor would he ever mention the truth, That he had abandoned his schemes halfway because they had suddenly become dull.” anyways. “He also has multiple hints throughout his story that he's quite soft and normal, but he hides it under facade.” not exactly. there was one or two moments with a facade but rn he’s pretty unapologetically honest and kinda rude. he still don’t want anything to do with humanity (character introduction). wanderer is naturally rude and blunt as we see him. in the inside tho, he sometimes looks a bit unsure sometimes, like when nahida tries to have deep convos going on abt emotions, which he doesn’t respond to and just basically kinda ignores. he has kind moments but he’s not rlly soft or normal. when his memories were wiped, yeah. he killed loads of swordsmen out of revenge, smiles and talks with a person he’s planning to murder, abused his subordinates bc he liked the fear on their face, sold delusions and mocked a dead person, and a lot more, basically he’s not normal. def not after what all he’s been through. to those who don’t know him, he can act pretty normal but to those who know him, not at all. hes pretty damn desensitized to violence, etc, too. he can be calm, and he actually is pretty nonchalant as wanderer, just impolite and unapologetically blunt, but that don’t mean soft or normal. even with nahida he’s not soft. hes pretty professional abt it but gets annoyed with her at times. the fandom sees this as soft but hes just cooperative bc he wants to be useful to someone again after losing worth to the fatui. he also believes he is in debt to nahida and doesnt want to be in even more debt. so that’s also why. hes somewhat more normal and seems a bit softer than what he was like as Scaramouche, but that bar is pretty low. scaramouche def ain’t soft or normal unless it’s strangers (the kid and elder in inazuma who didn’t know him, mona and fischl, the traveler at first). “His lore also hint that his violent behaviour came from doctor after he was tortured and after he went to abyss, which corresponds to what we know how childe came to be a lil unhinged.” as a puppet, he doesn’t seem to fall under the effects of abyss related things. we already know he’s immune to erosion for one. but we also see in the stars event he’s immune to abyss hypnosis. he didn’t become violent after learning it from the doctor, we can see from artifact lore that kunikuzushi could be easily provoked. “Where are you going, Inazuman? This boat is not for you!" The wandering young man was halted at the harbor by a boatman. But before the youth could draw his blade, a man in his company stopped him.” what he mirror from dottore his this: He would only say, in that tone of voice he had learned from a certain researcher. “It was all just a little experiment into human nature.” and even then he was just imitating dottore and lying to ppl. he went through brutal experiments, that nahida described as torture, however it was consensual and he seemed pretty nonchalant bringing up brutal experiments Dottore put him through in front of the sages. and then throwing shade at him, his consensual abuser. "Nothing worse than what l've been through before then, Doctor?" anyways. “Scara also doesnt hate Ei, he more resents her and wants her approval.” He doesn’t seem to want her approval, more so to serve his purpose (having the electro gnosis). He clearly has a strong dislike for her. Not only did she keep him in a permanent sleep and lock him in the shakkei pavilion (character story and artifact lore) without a name bc he shed tears, she wasn’t there when he needed her the most, she had the shogun blindly ruling and that feather she gave scara didn’t help at all and actually caused him more trouble. I’d say hate. Resent is putting it really lightly, that’s what kazuha feels for ei. i also don’t think he wants approval from gods (which includes ei), as he loathes them and mocks them. and ei is prob the reason as to why he hates them. “We know why Jester made scara a fatui.” not the full reason, no. its implied that he wanted something from scara, and most likely abyss related, but that’s pretty vague. we don’t know his full intent for sure

[@massimilianoreali4398]

A point for childe situation the problem wasn't only going in the abyss but having the constellation warped in a manifestation of a all devouring narwhal that want to eat planets

[@kiyoqqq]

@@massimilianoreali4398 idk if that’s canon or speculation. it was implied he had a thirst for battle bc of his experience in the abyss. as for his constellation, all that was said was that he was happy to share it with the narwhal. “It is said that the shape of one's constellation determines one's character. The image of a whale cruising across the celestial heights represents a solipsism that seeks to crush and devour all in its path. Embracing this aspect of himself, Childe gleefully summoned one such beast before throwing himself into battle against you.” im pretty sure ppl r born with their cons but idk. unless there was a difference quest that implies the narwhal is another reason for his behavior?

[@lanfae9353]

I feel like Genshin has kinda neutered all the villains in the story the moment it needs to sell them to us. Even non-villain characters who are supposed to have complicated or controversial histories are set up to be shocking and then immediately watered down. Zhongli is the BIGGEST example of this that I can think of. We keep getting little lore bits about him being this ruthless warlord before Guizhong kind of gentled him, but every time we get a chance to maybe see some of the negative karma he's probably accumulated come back to bite him, he gets exonerated of all wrongdoing. He murdered the goddess of salt? Nope, her own people betrayed her. He threatened the old leader of Chenyu Vale? No, apparently the old leader... I don't really understand, actually. I guess they just realized they wouldn't be able to stay as an independent god and decided they'd rather destroy the land and people than swear loyalty to him? If someone else understood the story better than I did, let me know what actually happened there. But I got the impression that the only thing Zhongli/Morax did was just be the strongest contender in the war and clearly the one Celestia was going to pick, and then everyone else apparently died because they were betrayed or betrayed others or something else that wasn't his fault. I'd love to see something where Zhongli has to reckon with the cost of the gnosis that he gave away for nothing like he couldn't wait to be rid of it. Did he see all the gods he destroyed every time he looked at that thing? Well, APPARENTLY NOT, because it seems the only god he ever sealed away was Osial! So that's annoying. Ei/Raiden has similar issues, but plenty of people have already picked her apart. Obviously Nahida is an innocent baby, but even Rukkadevata apparently did nothing wrong, because Deshret messed with forbidden knowledge and had to be sealed away as a result, and the other god in the area, the goddess of flowers, also perished for reasons that weren't Rukkadevata's fault. We could've had an interesting exploration of how a god (that Hoyo isn't even trying to sell to us because she's dead!!) killed her rivals and then abandoned their followers and let her people cast them out and mistreat them, but no, even dead tree mom has to be squeaky clean. And now we have Arlecchino, who has done literally nothing wrong that we can actually prove. She's apparently soooooo scary and unhinged, but we've only seen her be threatening and letting people THINK that she hurt other people before the narrative exonerates her. I was actually really annoyed when we met the former member of the House who had amnesia. It really undercut the significance of Lyney's actions in Arlecchino's story quest, because he didn't actually convince her to change the policies of the House, he just convinced her to be open about letting those who want to leave be allowed to live. I feel like the only thing that encounter did was make Arlecchino more innocent, which isn't what I want from one of the few major, actually scary villain characters in this game.

[@Sarah-iq3sc]

I'm very agree with this, I also found Arlecchino to be not evil at all (in my opinion). Yeah she did collect children from many places, but in the end they are given choice to live normal. Also, I doubt she pick randomly, we can see a lot of children she pick have unique nature. What IF (just IF) she pick a real orphan or an outcast, doesn't that mean in some way she's saving them? Like she really is just a virtuous person pretending to be evil.

[@El_IrregularDX]

so real

[@grimmfate8078]

I mean, Dottore kinda took the entire stock of evil. Like, holy shit. XD Man has absolutely committed war crimes with a smile on his face. And he is one unrepentant bastard. Hoyo actually did a good job in making us hate him. Who knows? Maybe we'll find more unlikeable villains in the future. I, myself, actually don't like Ei because while I understand her grief? She still harmed her own people by letting a puppet lead and triggering what is essentially a civil war. Not to mention not taking the time to educate her newly born son about things like humanity, morality, or even death...you know, BEFORE leaving him in the wilderness in the name of freedom. Like "So yeah, humans aren't like us. Their lives aren't eternal. It's called death and it's not something they can fully control". To me? She's honestly the worst archon. Her and the Tsaritsa.

[@hectorlackless]

Same here, I am not a villain guy but you know I like consistancy and variety within a cast and once genshin has to do anyone remotely bad and sell them they back down. Maybe is because of that chinise law of no "inmoral/gray" characters in games? Idk but they constantly break other rules so I don't think so, it is just pandering. I would have been good with rukka tho specially because it feels like the deshret twist was more for him to look better rather than rukka.

[@thomasraines1396]

They have to neuter them to make them playable. If the Doctor becomes playable, we’ll more then likely being playing as the clone who runs a soup kitchen and feeds the homeless.

[@video.denali564]

wouldnt it have made more sense for signora's first phase to be pyro and her second phase be cryo if shes using her delusion. like how childe has a hydro vision but uses his electro delusion after you beat his first phase?

[@Yumii_04]

8:25 La signora is actualy kinder than we can see on game, it's said that she loved visiting the house of the heart snd bring childrens gift because she felt loved or something, i think that overall she wanted to kill the world bc "the world killed her love" (idk just my speculation) 23:41 there's a theory saying that he could have been with Lisa at the Academia, (as most of us know she will soon die) that he fell in love with her and all those experiments are to find a way to make her live longer. that could make him like -1% less evil lmao 28:11 acctualy we know, Arlechinno is a decendent of the red moon dinasty (full or red moon i dont remember the name) she is from kenrhia acctualy anyway sorry if it's not too accurate, this video was fire

[@Zafaruss]

It’s honestly sad that signora’s entire backstory is hidden behind artifact descriptions or domains, therefore being unknown to Aether or Lumine. It’s a good story, but not known or fleshed out. Because if you know the lore… it makes that venti kick seem a whole lot more justified……

[@darkwing272]

I really don't think that signora needed backstory or screen time. She did her job in procuring multiple of the gnosis and got what was coming to her at the hands of electro archon. No matter how stong you are or devoted to something you are, you will always face obstacles and the raiden shogun was the one she couldn't overcome

[@crypticcryptid4702]

Honestly the only way I see Dottore being playable is if one of his newer segments survived the purge and is out for revenge. There can be themes around whether or not the segment is responsible for the other's actions as even though they're the same person, they're also different.

[@riahlexington]

7:53 is this about Khaenri’ah? We may see her again. The fact she’s lived for 500 years and isn’t a god is…well, fishy.

[@KatelynMaloney-l8g]

Personally I feel that Scaramouche should be seen as separate from Wanderer in this placement because of such a massive shift that took place in between his time as the balladeer and after he received his past life's memories. Not saying he is morally good, but Wanderer has another 500 years worth of memories on top of what Nahida helped him recover, so in a way Scaramouche really did die in Irminsul, even if Wanderer is still him and is trying to atone for it. It's complicated, I feel like somehow Wanderer is both characters in a sins of the father scenario.

[@EdgeLie]

Do we decide morality by how a character currently is or a combination of their past and present? A bad person deciding to be good doesn't make them redeemed but they probably arent evil anymore (being rude is not evil just rude) he dies seem to be doing good while throwing insults

[@thomasraines1396]

With Arlecchino and how they basically made the years worth of lore about her irrelevant and even gave her that ass pull at the end of her quest where she could conveniently wipe the children’s memories instead of having to kill them, it all reminds me of how Lestat from Ann Rice’s vampire books was retconned to have only feed on people who were immoral bastards in some fashion, in “Queen of The Damned”, at least if I’m remembering right.

[@daffafatih8669]

Very Loud and Wrong lmao😂😂😂 Fire in Genshin is always closely related to the concept of "reborn" remember, so her fire can "reborn-ed" HOTH children are not an asspull.

[@thomasraines1396]

@@daffafatih8669 it was an ass pull, it was for the sake of making her playable, murdering children simply because they want to leave the assassin/spy ring you run isn’t something you can have and still have them be likable, not believably anyway but there are people who sympathize with utterly delusional maniacs, that’s why you have people claiming MCU Thanos was “right” or people unironically quoting the Joker. They hand waved it by having her claim that Childe was simply being misled and she not only doesn’t mind the rumors spreading around her, she actively encourages them as it helps hide her true intentions.

[@daffafatih8669]

@@thomasraines1396 first off, i don't sympathize with her and whatever she does in SQ, its just Hoyo "tone down" her evilness in her SQ, and I don't have a problem with that. and she actually doesn't need the "aspull" power to be playable, its not like Hoyo planned her character to be dead in the future and Hoyo saw how ppl SIMP for her and they decided to pull an aspull for her lmao. because her character file is alr existed far back then, and in her file name, it says "playable" not like Signora who was labeled "monster" in her file. Genshin is already being planned far back then, in terms of lore, playablity, etc. I've seen you in many comments, judging many characters without in-depth analysis, thats very annoying bro to be honest

[@thomasraines1396]

@@daffafatih8669 I never said you you specifically sympathized with her, I’m just saying I’ve seen characters who are way worse than her be sympathized with. Yes they did tone her down, that’s what I’m saying. Her being playable had to have some major twist, because pure evil characters aren’t allowed to be played in Chinese games from how I understand it, they always have to have something redeemable about them, which makes me wonder how The Doctor is going to be playable as he - as of now - is one of the more outwardly evil characters. Genshin handles its writing months in advance, so it was just a matter of time until they did something to make Arlecchino seem more likable and they had that be that she’s not actually murdering children and is actively working against the terrorist organization she is apart of. I honestly find her more appealing then Childe or Scaramouche because they write her knowing that she and Aether/Lumine will more then likely have to come to blows one day.

[@matrixfull]

They are all evil and I just can't see past that. They can have reasons and personal unfair lives lacking justice but that is still sorta pointless because nothing excuse them for doing what they are doing in my eyes. My life is tough and unfair and yet I still don't submit myself to evil, immoral or injust things. I can't relate enough to villains is why I couldn't care less about how developed or gray/evil they are. Some are charming some are blunt, but effect on the world is same in the end. Killing innocents, destroying their lives whenever they are in the way of villain's goal. We need villains for story of course but making them likable to make them "more interesting"...is not my cup of tea.

[@LJCastano]

Agreed a villain doesn’t need to be good, but rather have a actual reason for what they’re doing for instance, if they’re negative actions on the world are actually bringing about a positive light that they’re aware of but the harbinger are simply doing more than good

[@MarcoCam1314]

FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS. Im tired of seeing everyone fellate this characters like they are the next Vegetta of redemption arcs, but they all just suck as people, like it would've worked if they were antagonistic but not crossing a line. This people instead dance over it like they wanna flex on them plebs. So far we have a murder hobo turned teachers pet (Scara), a fight slut sociopath who only sees people as weak and doesnt care about anyone but their own personal relatives (Tartaglia), an assassin and spy that makes child soldiers and abuses kids psychologically (Arlecchino), a psychopath obssessed with science (Dottore) and a lot of others who dont seem that good either on account that they work for a terrorist organization thats essencially Nazi Germany blended with the KGB and CCP.

[@vitun1223]

Collei would just die if not Dottore btw not redeeming him, but just a fun fact

[@mariobrothersfan2792]

Arlecchino is one of my favourite characters among both Genshin AND Star Rail. Her morally grayness is so interesting, she lies to get what she want, but she doesn’t kill people without a reason. She terrorizes Furina but it comes from a place of concern over the children’s safety. She objects to the abuse of the house yet enforces it in some ways. She’s loyal but would fight the Tsaritsa and Harbingers with hesitation. ITS SO COOL! She’s also just *aesthetically* one of the best characters, the simple black/white/red colour scheme, the unique hands, the wing, the EYES, the DOUBLE SCYTHE!??? THE SUIT?!??? It’s just amazing 10/10

[@nationalgeografic7687]

Simp

[@otho69AD]

@@nationalgeografic7687 Nice job liking your own comment lol

[@nationalgeografic7687]

@@otho69AD oh thanks for reminding it, I just did it.

[@MarcoCam1314]

There is nothing morally grey about her, she trains child soldiers, which die in the missions they are sent into. She abuses them and causes them psychological and behavioral damage, turning them into sociopath due to the necesity of that to survive in the HOTH. She has no regard for their wellbeing beyond a very robotical "they are alive, thats the bar i set". This woman also operates an espionage ring for a terrorist organization, assassinates targets or send the kids to do so, which most likely arent all "child abusers" because is the fatui who give her the orders. You couldnt have possibly chosen a less morally grey character. By that metric Hitler was a also a morally grey person because he instituted animal right reforms during his period in control of Nazi Germany. There are characters in genshin who have been killed (reasonably so) and framed as their death being justified and a-ok by the narrative for way less than what Arlecchino ALONE is responsible for.

[@fuyuhiko___]

I just noticed there's an "Omega Build" on Dottore's name and I hate it

[@pipedream2556]

If they want Dotorre to be playable at this point kt will probably have to be along the lines of a much younger segment who takes issue with what theyve done. Like, the Dotorre who made the deal with Nahida is currently the only one left and there has to be a reason for including the segments at all, they cluld just as easily have done the trick with making us think he was leaving Sumeru with an illusion or something, theres got to be a reason for such a complicated idea being implimented at all, and consequences to their loss...like maybe him trying to make more since nothing is stopping him from just replacing the loss, only to discover it isnt working the same as before for some reason he didnt anticipate (but Nahida likely did) and that leads to a version of Dotorre who thinks differently from the ones whove been on the same wavelength as all the others to the point that theyre functionally 1 person with different bodies instead of snapshots of different periods of his life suddenly existing in this period where hes a Harbinger doung insane experiments all over the world. Its a stretch i know, but SOMETHING needs to come out of the whole segment idea, and a playable Dotorre (or, Zandik, i guess?) Who opposes his own other self but who the rest of the world has...extremely complicated feelings about at the very best, would be an interesting way to go about it, especially with identity being kind of a big topic for Hoyoverse in general and among the Harbingers specifically. And, as i said, the only way to feasibly make a playable Dotorre is to not even try to redeem the one we currently know, hes way too far gone and unforgivable.

[@highwaytoheaven99]

When I started Genshin, I fking hated the Fatui Harbingers. Signora pretty much attacked the freaking GOD of Mondstadt in front of his own church, Childe tried to dessecrate the body of the God of Liyue, and when he failed, he tried to destroy the entire city, and both faced ZERO consequences for it. In any believable world these would be acts of WAR, but since its "ara ara evil mommy waifu" its all fine and dandy. I hated the way they could just get away with anything because of plot armor. But then Signore fking DIED in Inazuma, and in time its being revealed that the Fatui aren't really "bad", and that the true "big bad" of Genshin is somewhere else. After that I learned to appreciate the Fatui and the Harbingers in general. I still hate their plot armor tho, and I sure hope some day they get their comeuppance. Like, I hope we get to kick Dottore's ass so thoroughly even his fking ANCESTORS will feel it from the great beyond.

[@MarcoCam1314]

Uh... where you got that they arent actually bad? They fucking kidnap people to experiment on, found civil wars that kill thousands and affect millions, assassinate people who get in the way, distribute dangerous artefact that cause magic cancer when used and much more. In what world arent they the bad guys? Cellestia and the Abyss being a bigger problem dont just erase the fact the Fatui are basically Nazis. They are terrorists and some of the most immoral people, and that doesnt change just because a divine asshole is also being a problem at the same time. Thats called going on a tangent, Mihoyo is counting on the very very low attention people can pay to more than one thing at a time to somewhat wash away of filter the Fatui somewhat so they can sell us the Harbringers, because people got mad Signora wasnt playable and they need to maximize profits. This game makes you friends with a child abuser, wtf you talking about not the real villain?