The Rage Bait Debate | Jubilee - Fat vs Fit

[@ericjanickifitness]

Thanks for the compliments man. Means a lot. Would love to collab anytime

[@masonfordpk]

Oh look it’s chris

[@ericjanickifitness]

@@masonfordpkhaha yeah not sure how my name changed half way through this

[@leonkennedy9739]

Dang the GOAT replied.

[@juliebyrne7726]

You are awesome!

[@MikeJones.]

@@ericjanickifitness Myron has that face you just want to knock out haha 😂 you had the chance lmao that dude is such a fraud 🤣 lmao don’t ever collab with those 🤡 s

[@mr.billthrower7392]

Myron is a living fossil of the first gen 2010s redpill era

[@brianmeen2158]

He’s making very nice coin playing that role

[@cancertomato1798]

you are ignorant

[@slammermchammer]

​@@brianmeen2158them view counts don't seem to say the same

[@Croco_G]

@@slammermchammerhe was at some point 😂

[@ichigotheg.o.a.t]

that's what I was gonna say that's what I definitely was gonna say

[@ClownWorldEnjoyer]

As soon as I heard greg say I wished someone would've shamed me I went "nah, you would've not listened".

[@joeydiaz5927]

No one cares what you think. You don’t know him or who he was. Your assumptions are planted in you. Youre a bot.

[@jmgonzales7701]

Really?

[@Touma134]

​@jmgonzales7701 probably. Seems like the stubborn type. I don't know about op but I like Greg and absolutely seems like the stubborn type.

[@jmgonzales7701]

@@Touma134 the middle ground to this is getting fat is out of ur control especially to those with physical condition. But as much as possible we need stay fit.

[@ant111_]

You're clearly softer than him then

[@ExPwner]

I think the Big Lebowski line was “no, you’re not wrong, Walter, you’re just an asshole”

[@Precipiceofwind]

Brainrot pfp, unlucky =(

[@ExPwner]

@@Precipiceofwind nope AnCap is more intellectual than you ever will be. Piss off 🤡

[@alexandermendez4653]

Fucking amatuers

[@AMurderOfLobs]

Yeah that was sacrilegious. Donny is not an asshole. He's like a child...wandering into a theater.

[@nunya5027]

Donny was out of his element but not an ahole

[@zacktelander]

Copyright claimed by Jubileee. Still a fun video. Thanks for watching anyway!

[@kevindishen5874]

I'll watch here instead of over there cause fuck 'em

[@fanni727]

@@kevindishen5874 same… 😑

[@user-ii7xc1ry3x]

@@kevindishen5874 x2🤣

[@Rhetorical346]

well yeah they copyright claimed it. You're just stealing content.

[@dashady187]

I'm sure they claimed it by default, but you should be able to appeal based on reactionary videos being okay.

[@BGeezy4sheezy]

Excess body fat isn’t good for your health: That’s reality. But all the other stuff falls into the realm of judgement, opinion, ideology, speculation, etc. Myron is especially gross because he seems to be dealing with his own insecurity by being a sociopath. Rage bait success

[@QuickSilverKitsune]

Dude basically admitted his entire lifestyle revolves around getting the approval of others(he started his routines due to getting bullied). Myron definitely has some trauma that he's refusing to properly address due to being 'macho'

[@shnibby12]

@@QuickSilverKitsune he admitted his lifestyle revolves around achieving ones maximum potential. Your extrapolation of what he says tells me youre an inadequate individual.

[@nicolecooper1569]

OMG that last prompt. Myron had a point that was so spot on, so perfect and then had to throw in the “this is why I make fun of fat people”to kill the vibe. 🤦🏾‍♀️ This man is something else.

[@beeeingthisperson12343]

The thimble of punch in the piss bowl

[@Fluggrugger1]

The body positivity take was SPOT ON. I’m very similar to ZT in that I don’t have the “I do steroids” and or sub 15 percent body fat look. I’m also not PHAT (as in over 25 percent body fat either) I play rugby and lift religiously. I eat well. I have an AVERAGE athletic physique that I know is healthy. As a personal trainer at a well known gym in AZ though I’m surrounded by vain and unrealistic gear heads that think ANYTHING less then a shredded 6 pack of abs physique is FAT. This is a HUGE problem and I’m glad it was touched on.

[@bensonvong]

It is all about mindset. A lot of people got into fitness because they were really skinny, or really fat. Unfortunately, even if they reach a point where they are ‘fit’, their brains tells them that they are STILL too skinny or too fat so they go to extremes. That is why that the fitness influencer space actually has some of the most unhealthy (eating disorder, overtraining, too much PED use) people out of all groups.

[@Fluggrugger1]

@@bensonvongcouldn’t agree more

[@nigelnyoni8265]

RUGBY GUY 😍😍😍😍😍😍☺️❤️❤️❤️💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿

[@MellonVegan]

Well, I'd say you can have two sides to that coin. I definitely see far more cases of people considering 30% bf a normal/average physique just bc it is so, statistically speaking. Most people don't understand how little fat already makes you fat and (somewhat) unhealthy. I say that bc I have personally encountered a lot of cognitive dissonance concerning this, over the years. At the same time, there's the overly critical side. I feel like this is just the pendulum swinging the other way. People in a counter belief system to the former, going well too far and into unhealthy ranges the other way. Although these, again, are more rare in my experience and usually direct that attitude only at themselves. But maybe it's a cultural thing (I'm German).

[@bensonvong]

@@MellonVegan yes, I have seen tons of people push back against BMI because ‘it doesn’t tell the whole story’. And while it is true that people who have tons of muscle can’t really use BMI as a gauge for health (BF is much better but also harder to check for). BMI still works for a majority of the population. When I see people who are 5’ 8” 230lbs who work a desk job who does zero exercise say ‘but BMI isn’t he be all and end all’, I just frown because it is just them not accepting that it isn’t healthy for them. Again, they shouldn’t be shamed but they also need to look after their health and make an effort to eat better and exercise more.

[@tripleextension88]

I think you're absolutely right about this subjective perception of whether someone is fat or not. Before switching to olympic lifting a few years ago, I did triathlon for quite some time, and let me tell you: people out of the endurance sport community have a completely different perception of the ideal body than people coming from strength sports. That was a big eye-opener for me, knowing people from both sport scenes. From the point of view of a lot of endurance athletes, basically every single strength athlete is fat. For most weightlifters, triathletes are just skinny and frail. That really showed me how our environment shapes our expectations of "the ideal body shape".

[@nicholaskoenig3106]

Ironic, hilarious and true. I went from natty bodybuilding, to powerlifting to ultra running (100 milers). Such a weird bunch of humans all across the board. Love em all!

[@LLF1234]

This is the reason I stopped caring for the gym/trying to get big and decided that I'll do calisthenics and just do cardio by biking around. I learned that many "huge" guys die prematurely or completely destroy their bodies, can't properly move, aren't flexible at all, and are just heavy and that's it. Bikers, guys who do calisthenics, and any other form of activity are happier, fun, positive energy, skinny but very strong (stronger than gym bros), fast, agile, flexible and so on. Overall they look and "feel" more healthier than gym guys that look big and dmb. I also see no point in getting jacked from a life standpoint, not even for girls as usually they don't care much about it (I've lived in many cities/countries and I know they care more about other stuff than your looks unless you have that lazy/very fat/unhealthy looks)

[@DejiiJones_]

There’s no subjective anything 😂, there’s a scientific metric and we have eyes

[@schultemeister6975]

@@LLF1234all those negatives from weights you listed are either myths or just not gonna happen if you don’t do steroids

[@glenoh88]

There is fat and there is really fat. There is muscular and there is stupidly muscular, there are also endurance athletes that go way beyond what’s healthy. Geez people, be moderate. You don’t need a 6 pack to be healthy and you should be able to run five miles at a decent clip too…there is a reason we sweat!

[@conversadevestiario]

bro the average person couldn’t run 5 miles nonstop even if their life depended on it

[@mixedmitchell9178]

​@@conversadevestiariothis is really sad because I know it's probably true.

[@asketillus8679]

@@conversadevestiarioI think most people are physically capable of it, they just don’t have the Will to do it. I was able to run 5 easily when I was 270+ lbs, ate terribly, and was a smoker.

[@conversadevestiario]

@@asketillus8679 are you a former athlete bro? either that or you got some really good genetics then. My wife just started running with me and she can’t go over half a mile without stopping, her entire run right now is just over a mile, and she’s not unfit in any sense, normal health and 110lbs

[@asketillus8679]

@@conversadevestiario I am, but I would call myself a high level guy by any means. But I suppose you’re right, that definitely skews it. I played d3 football, but I was definitely still pretty unhealthy at that weight

[@AaSpike17]

It's "You're not wrong Walter, you're just an asshole!" Donny did nothing wrong.

[@djanfgo]

rip donny. he always loved surfing

[@AMurderOfLobs]

Donny is not an asshole. He's like a child...wandering into a theater.

[@nunya5027]

He was out of his element

[@BrianDeCosta]

I feel the same about Eric. I first saw him from Reels/TikToks that I thought were fairly cringe. Then I tuned into his stuff more, he's actually a smart, dope dude.

[@ericjanickifitness]

Thank you brotha 👊

[@ArmwrestlingJoe]

Myron having ZERO room for nuance is hilariously stupid

[@eutiger4789]

guys who hang out with andrew tate all have 0 social iq

[@brotherderin]

Only in the reprobate minded west can someone give excuses for obesity. What nuance is there for being fat? What the Myron say that's incorrect?

[@akshaysundru482]

​@@brotherderin Myron's points aren't really the issue, Myron is the issue. The man has no semblance of respect for people but gets butthurt when people talk half as disrespectfully as him. He's a hypocrite in every sense and that's why people can't take him seriously

[@danisrusski6297]

@@brotherderinHe acts like you. Comes in screaming about degeneracy and degradation of the west or some other bullshit political point to score a win for his own audience while being a jackass.

[@brotherderin]

@@akshaysundru482 how did he get butthurt when ppl spoke disrespectfully back to him? Cos the only ones complaining are the obese ppl Also, how was Myron being disrespectful!? Cos all I saw was him being direct in his manner of speaking.

[@restingglitchface2589]

About the "exercise is 1.5 times more effective than drugs and/or therapy for depression" thing, I know for myself, this is 100% correct. My mom unalived herself 2 years ago and the Dr. said this to me. She really stressed that I MUST exercise for mental health so I listened. Let me be clear: I've never loved exercise. But it truly has helped me get out of the crippling depression that came after that devastating event. However, it took me medication to get enough energy to start exercising. Now I'm no longer depressed, don't go to therapy anymore, still on medication and can truly tell the difference in my general mental health if I don't exercise. If you're struggling, please try it. It doesn't have to be hard, just consistent.

[@leonkennedy9739]

Works for me as well. Going to the gym 45-1.25hrs a 5-6x a week improved my mental health massively.

[@Dwhizzle]

That’s a very balanced look at it - sometimes you need medicine, therapy, or some other help just to get you to a healthy enough place to consider eating healthy or working out.

[@a.b.2405]

I second this!

[@NK-bz9wb]

Thank you for sharing and I'm sorry for your loss. My brother is 29 and has had chronic depression for the bigger part of his life, hospitalizations and all. None the less he was very fit and considered very handsome until a few years ago. He sees a therapist and that makes me happy, but when he said he went to the climbing gym last week, I genuinely nearly cried with how proud I was of him and how brave he was being, because I know that in his condition that's a huge effort. On the flip side, if he was a massive gym rat, using substances, obsessing over his diet and struggling with body dismorphia and THEN one day he would say he went to a therapist, I would also be proud of him and probably moved to tears. What we really need is to acknowledge the importance of taking care of both of them, and not assume one can thrive without the other.

[@Owen2131_]

6:48 as someone with autism, adhd ocd and anxiety (at one point i possibly had schizophrenia symptoms but its basically anxiety at its worst, along with the ocd) there are some things that are just hard to control (in general, is what i mean, like movements, repetition, intrusive thoughts, etc) But i am in therapy and doing my best to get better, thank you so much zack for calling myron out on this. :)

[@PerseveranceIsKey-10]

people with Autism and ADHD (or AuDHD) are seemingly everywhere now! and I feel like I might just be one of them, (undiagnosed).

[@colinnixon7739]

Myron: girls arent gonna like you just cuz youre a nice guy Also myron: if you have enough charm and charisma, she'll go with me over you. Bullshitters, if they talk long enough they will contradict themselves

[@shnibby12]

You're clueless if you think being a nice guy is the same as having charm and charisma.

[@Vincentl2189]

I used to live in a dangerous part of town and one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in that part of town. I literally couldn’t walk around without being run up on. I had to drive to the gym to get a daily walk. There are definitely circumstances where you can’t even walk out your front door for a walk.

[@LodesDipper]

I agree, I LOVE walking and just being outdoors in general, problem is I live in a sketchy area. I would occasionally just walk outside for a few hours on a trail or just walk around my neighborhood but the last year or so has made doing those things feel very unsafe. Not only are there dangerous people and addicts on the streets but walking is not nearly as accessible anymore. I had to stop walking, and got a gym membership so I could do cardio there. I eventually bought an elliptical for my house so I could do cardio at home and have the gym be strictly for strength training. While there was an alternative in my case I sympathize with people who live in bad areas and have no alternatives.

[@NK-bz9wb]

That's really sad to hear but an eye opener, thank you for sharing. Greetings from Norway

[@onshore1ft]

I live in a mountainous tropical country with tiny roads, no sidewalks and crazy drivers. It's just not possible to walk due to the heat and danger. I have to go to the beach or the gym to walk. It sucks. Western, middle class people have such a narrow conception of what's possible for most people.

[@rosenars6665]

I’m positive people in Greg’s life told him to stop and he didn’t. It’s addiction. At the end of the day the addict needs to want help. Telling an addict to stop will never and has never worked.

[@TonganHalfBreed]

How anyone takes Myron seriously after he thought admitting he's never gotten a woman off as some sort of flex is beyond me 😂

[@DaSpaceJammer]

Yeah I think he’s clearly got a lot of hate in his heart, or lack of empathy as Zack mentioned early on. When you can’t put yourself in other people’s shoes, humanize everyone, and understand we all have weaknesses & strengths, their’s just might be more glaring than yours; you end up like this guy. Extremely off putting and causing more harm than good because you don’t know how to communicate properly.

[@jenjoestar.]

*Moron

[@Damion-]

He never said that

[@FDT222]

As soon as I saw one half of fresh and fit on here. Any creditability they were striving for is done.

[@sagebauer1077]

jubilee is not going for credibility lmao

[@brianmeen2158]

It’s jubilee and you Must not have watched any of their previous shows lol

[@chefsweaty6744]

Censorship isn't the answer. I agree he sucks, but his perspective is a real one and it deserves to be voiced as much as anyone else's. If he really is as bad as you think his arguments will be easily dismantled just like Zach is doing in this video. When you other these people and make it taboo to even entertain their ideas we get people like tate

[@Precipiceofwind]

@@chefsweaty6744 certified reddit comment

[@WatchMeLiftt67]

@@chefsweaty6744ah well then we should give him a platform so he can spew his hate and antisemitism and let him thrive!

[@yonkocommander5531]

It’s simple, If shaming actually worked there would be no fat people

[@Leo.23232]

no, its not like it either works 100% or 0% it works to motivate some people to some degree and doesnt work on others

[@M0ONCommander]

​@@Leo.23232 it's just unnecessary. shaming and judgement is entirely based on a subjective perception of fatness. A supposed metaphysical judgement based on aesthetic appraisal. US size 8 looks fat for someone who only sees 2 and below as acceptable sizes. fitness, likewise, isn't entirely objective. I personally like hanging around men who spend their free time modding their skyrim playthrough. It makes me feel athletic

[@Leo.23232]

@@M0ONCommander aesthetics and health aside, theres also it being an indicator of a lack of willpower and laziness, however i would view someone whos fat but works out more positively than someone who looks in shape but doesnt do any exercise at all

[@JackySai-fs2ou]

​I shamed my brother before for being fat because i was once fat and thought people might shame me for being fat (which no one did shame me ) ,then i workout and lost some fat , so i hope my brother will do the same, and lemme tell you, it doesn't work for everyone and my brother dgaf because he do what he do​@@Leo.23232 .

[@someguyik]

Shaming does work...just not in Western countries. It works in South Korea and other parts of East Asia.

[@s1xpack735]

My guy Myron thought he was cooking lmao

[@uwotmate-d3m]

He was. Eat less calories you will lose weight. Simple. Fat people are delusional.

[@dariobalde4209]

he cooked very well. I don't know what you talking about

[@nunya5027]

That defines him so perfectly.

[@DaveyBlade13]

@@dariobalde4209he goes out of his way to portray himself the way he does. It’s very obvious and deliberate. He is confident. Some people just fall for confidence. Some people see through it. Being the loudest and most brash doesnt mean you’re secure or tough. The most confident and “manly” people are quiet and don’t care about half the things Myron does. I think he believes what he says don’t get me wrong. He was cooking a meal for a very specific audience that pays his bills.

[@thomask10]

I hope he’s not your guy, and just a an expression. He’s a mediocre athlete without a loving wife, which he obviously feels is necessary to be a man. You’re a sad small minded guy Myron.

[@bigslacker666]

I've always been an athlete and fit. At times in my life I've been closer to Myron on this topic. I'm turning 50 this year and now it's really just: Be kind, model health and if someone is ready to be convinced they already are by your example. Be happy to help if they ask. Otherwise you're wasting your time and possibly being a dick.

[@brianmeen2158]

I agree with you but shaming worked very well for me when I was younger. I’m not saying it’s great but only that it was very effective in my case . Had I grown up in todays ultra pc world I might be content to stay fat

[@bigslacker666]

@@brianmeen2158 I grew up in the 80's, I understand. I think there is a middle ground between having positive standards and honesty telling people what they need to hear vs true shaming or bullying. The latter CAN have an effect, there are tons of examples. But there are almost always downstream negative issues as well. Walking example right here, haha!

[@Choosetoone]

@@brianmeen2158 the world is not nearly as pc as you think, just get offline man. also. The US not the world.

[@beeeingthisperson12343]

​@@brianmeen2158Shaming nearly lead me to suicide, which I think is unhealthy

[@TerriblyNice_Not]

The irony of Myron is that of everyone there he is by a huge distance the least intelligent person there. And it's also unsurprising that he's the least confident, the most performing of what he thinks intelligent or confident is, and other than weight, is exactly what he hates about everyone else. That last part is not surprising though. We all know people like that

[@GoldenNuggetCardCo]

Not a Myron fan. But these are all assumptions

[@beeeingthisperson12343]

​@@GoldenNuggetCardCo Just like Myron assumes?

[@CoochSmooch]

He's clearly a guy that's only been taught that looks, fitness, & money are everything. Idk what kinda of cold world he's experienced, but he's definitely a product of it & is making it cold for others in turn. There is no compassion or warmth coming from him, if he even has any left to give I'm sorta in the same boat as him where money & looks dominate my line of reasoning as to why I'm unhappy, why I feel like a slave in a career I thought would make me happy, why I've never experienced romance at 24yo. I'm a pretty cold person as result but Myron beats me by miles in this regard

[@miguelsantoyo8785]

I’m assuming all y’all going after Myron are probably fat or skinny because none of you attack his argument and just call him mean 😢

[@shannonsteven3982]

Myron is built like every 21 year old dude I know, nothing wrong with it, but shaming people for how they look when you have, literally, no muscle development beyond high school is hilarious

[@ryanbeltran9413]

Dude Myron has a good body and better than many like me though I’m more on the skinny side but I do have some mass and can bench around 225-240lbs. If anyone knows DJ Burns that basketball player from NC state. He is 275lns and looks A bit overweight. I hope he destroys that POs if he never talked shit to his face . I swear he said that to black people like him who are a bit overweight or even the same build but not as athletic, I would trust them to kick his ass so badly. I just see a guy who is insecure and probably hates being black or never was accepted by real black people. He’s just a sad person that this society has to give a platform to. And another example I would give is literally Jokic in the nba. Guy arguably has a really unahletic frame and I would bet he would destroy Myron so bad. I mean even Brady for years had a really mid build and was the GOAT in football.

[@BulkBrogan.]

The reason I was obese was because idgaf if I was alive or not I was hopeless and miserable and felt like an absolute failure at every aspect of my life I hated myself and felt inadequate in everything 60 hours a week in a horrible job and I still was living at home I was working so hard to still just be a failure and the only thing that brought any comfort to me at that time was food So I ate myself into gaining 150lbs in two years I didn't want to be alive I didn't need any shaming I already hated myself as much as I could And only started to get better when I began to become hopeful that maybe I could do something with my life and actually are about the person I am instead of hating myself for not magically waking up one day as someone else I wanted to be anyone else but me I didn't ask to be born But here I am stuck with this bullshit So I might as well try to do some cool stuff before I die instead of just letting myself rot I'll probably never own a home and can't even really make enough to afford my own place but I'm working towards getting a camper so I can travel the country and work seasonally I still hate my life most days but I'm changing and healing because I'm spending more time with people, training and getting stronger so I have objective improvement that I can't twist into another thing tonhate myself over and I'm moving towards a future that's not just overtime purgatory just to afford the bare minimum I still am indifferent if I die or not But now it's towards wanting to be a Wildland Firefighter and maybe I'll die trying to save the wilderness instead of dying cause I was binge eating Idek what I'm getting at anymore. Obesity is a problem of mental health and what people do to cope. Not a problem of try harder cause you're a lazy bum and you suck. No amount of shaming and hatred ever made anyone healthier. You need tough love, not tough shaming, not vitriol. Shouting into the void here if anyone ever actually reads this far in the future maybe check in on me to see if I found something else to live for I'm gonna keep trying because I'll be damned if I let the devil win.

[@Alejandro-te2nt]

The shame around living with your parents in a country where it's damn near impossible to buy a home is ridiculous. Hope you're doing alright. really there is so much in this world to make it worth living despite all the terrible shit.

[@BGeezy4sheezy]

Sorry you’re going through it- I know how you feel. I know from experience that shame isnt motivating; progress is motivating. I have all the same issues you mentioned, except that I work out all the time, because it’s often the only time I feel ok and my shame turns off. Lifting heavy shit is a literal lifesaver for me. Good luck brother.

[@BulkBrogan.]

@@BGeezy4sheezy I've lost 75lbs and I've been lifting consistently the past 2 years Excited to see how far I can get in Strongman, I already did my first comp a month ago and it was a great time. Definitely a light patch amongst this BS and stuff to look forward to It can just get overshadowed when everything else in my life is burying me. This was a unhinged vent and didn't expect anyone to see it lol. Thanks for replying. I'm gonna figure it out one way or another.

[@LodesDipper]

I agree completely. If it’s any consolation you very much can turn things around for yourself as I was able to do. I was also obese and had this same mindset, it really is a psychological battle that you have to fight. My obesity came from me suppressing who I was and from having this same mindset. I am gay, but in my obese mindset I would’ve rather died from eating myself to death rather than tell anyone. When my mom passed away I was at rock bottom and decided to come out of the closet to people who were close to me and got a lot of support. If you asked me when I was obese if I could see myself where I am today I would’ve laughed.

[@feliciacoffey6832]

I admire you so much for being willing to fight!

[@paro2210]

As a fat guys it's quite simple, I have an eating disorder. I overate because it brought comfort to a life I hated since I was 13. Overeating was a coping mechanism for depression and suicidal tendencies. Also it doesn't help that so much of our food has a bounch of sugar in it, especially in America.

[@christopherrussell4285]

I don’t know how Greg can say what he says at 0:21 with a straight face. Someone who has taken steroids for decades cannot have that stance without being incomprehensibly hypocritical.

[@jingsndthings]

my body is limiting me from snatching 100 kg

[@Hybrid_Strength]

The variance from woman to woman is all over the place. Basically depending on the woman. It’s not just “jacked” guys. Rockstars, blue collar bears, skinny model boys. You can’t quantify it.

[@NK-bz9wb]

I can attest for the rockstars and blue collar guys lol.

[@CoochSmooch]

Most women find lean attractive. The soccer player build is considered the most attractive based on surveys of straight women. Not a massive amount of muscle, but just athletic build The ones that like bigger guys exist, but they're not the majority. If you wanna cast the widest net, be lean

[@soap2421]

Eric Janicki (the jacked guy) is legit af. Hope he can get his pro card soon because iirc he has yet to turn pro.

[@BradleyGibbs]

Yeah, Greg would have done bodybuilding no matter how much he was shamed.

[@Janoy_Cresva]

Myron wearing a children's Medium shirt and still looking the least jacked of anyone on set

[@weakest_serb]

Why did they even put him in the jacked category lol

[@swesalpiraal7247]

Looks to be around 10% body fat, not really sure what you guys are even arguing about.

[@wafflehouse6650]

@@swesalpiraal7247they’re saying he is skinny and doesn’t looks like he lifts unlike the rest of the participants on his side

[@swesalpiraal7247]

First of all, the video is "fit versus fat", and 'jacked' seems to just be a synonym for do they do steroids. Furthermore, this is literally the point Zack made in the video. You guys are hilarious in your criticism of peoples physique, as there were four guys, and two of them do gear, and they are 'jacked' hurdurhur.... The two guys not on gear are not in fit, they are just skinny 🤣 I say it is hilarious only because it's so absurd.

[@mattmurphy7030]

Why are you body shaming men?

[@immersivecomics1603]

Myrons presence discredited the whole production💀

[@connorleahy2792]

I think Jeff Nippard had the best and most fair take on the topic. Asking Greg Doucette on anything to do with body fat was a mistake from the jump but they knew he'd say shit to get views so whatever

[@harrison3910]

I agree, him and Dr. Nodalsky really did a deep dive into whether we can definitively say if obesity is a choice. But either way, I think a lack of empathy from anyone is a bad look.

[@connorleahy2792]

@@harrison3910 Yeah I was never expecting empathy for others from the fresh and fit guy or coach Greg so here we are

[@brianmeen2158]

@@harrison3910obesity is a choice though. Well a lack of structure and discipline .. the rise in obesity in America is truly shocking to me ..

[@harrison3910]

@@brianmeen2158 micro choices that aren’t always in your control doesn’t necessarily make it choice. No one WANTS to be obese. Gaining weight happens bc of life, the number one reason is having kids. It screws with your sleep, diet, and priorities. It’s unfair to people who are just trying to live their life. Have some empathy, you wouldn’t tell someone who got cancer, “you did this to yourself.” Sometimes, cancer is the same way, micro choices that lead to a disease that may not always be in our control. If you’ve never worked with patients who are trying to lose weight it’s hard to understand.

[@derrick_v]

​@@harrison3910you're insane comparing cancer to becoming fat. And yes, if you smoke and get cancer, it's YOUR fault. Having too much empathy is a bad trate.

[@winstonpeart3826]

I love that you got Eric's name right early in the video and then you started calling him Chris for the entire second half of the video lol

[@colinnixon7739]

Myron is wrong. He doesn't use actual medical facts. "Boo hoo" at depression and anxiety and body dysmorphia? Ok.

[@OpenBarGarage]

You missed the best part! Tevin calling Myron small as fuck!

[@akinduyivictor4530]

As opposed to being fat asf???

[@lexreason258]

Behavior is multi factorial. Blaming everything in the individual is myopic. Let´s start with changing our corrupt food system.

[@brianmeen2158]

But at the end of the day if you eat sensibly and exercise you will not be obese .. it’s that simple for 98% of people. It’s hard to deprive yourself though and people don’t like discomfort

[@aavila1206]

@brianmeen2158 Bullshit. True, food companies are smart enough to design foods to be ridiculously highly-palatable for the average person for repeat business, but once you know that it’s ridiculously simple to manage your eating habits. (I was obese) The real problem is how comfortable especially 1st world/western world people are with everything they eat having to please their palates over themselves being useful and healthy.

[@BGeezy4sheezy]

Exactly. When you see large scale changes in a society, in any area, it doesn’t make sense to blame individual psychology; it’s clearly the result of a change in environmental conditions. People weighed much less even 40 years ago- it’s not as if people had more discipline or willpower then

[@joeydiaz5927]

Way to take accountability away. You’re a fool

[@lexreason258]

@@BGeezy4sheezy Well said!

[@Alejandro-te2nt]

I would like to pose a scenario to those who share Myron's mindset. You are jacked stacked and succulent, work hard, earn good money, have your own place and you reproduce with a beautiful young tradwife. Due to complications in the pregnancy she can't exercise as much as would normally be recommended. She gains a lot of weight and after having the baby she gets very poor and often interrupted sleep. She barely has tine to take a shower or eat a snack throughout the day. Only when you come home and take the baby can she make you your perfectly portioned meal with your macros counted. After she cleabs up you give her back the baby so you can work out. She obliges even though she's exhausted because she knows how important fitness is to you. Do you A. Shame her for being fat and not taking steps to lose weight. Or B. Sacrifice some time from your own work, training, sleep and eating so you can lessen the burden on her and be there for your family, or C. Divorce her and abandon your offspring because you, as a jacked and stacked alpha deserve a high value female and can't stand a run down overweight woman dragging you into the mire of mediocrity?

[@alexandermendez4653]

I'm not sure which kind of logical fallacy this is, but it's definitely one of them

[@beeeingthisperson12343]

​@@alexandermendez4653It's a reality for a lot of people, like one of my family members

[@ggeoffreyy9411]

Based on your hypothetical scenario the man is a high earner so hiring a dedicated carer for the baby should be viable. This would relieve the mother from baby duties and focus on health. Depending on where you live in the world this would cost $500-2500/m for 6 months max for the mother to get back in good health. For any true high value man $3000-15k is peanuts. Also I don't know anyone serious about fitness working out after dinner. That's literally the worst time to hit the gym.

[@The_ScapeGoat]

People with Myron's mindset don't get married.

[@excalibro8365]

No one's getting morbidly obese just by all the things you listed.

[@MoreSoNowThanEver]

Yeah, Myron bugs the hell outta me. I’m in the middle of turning my health around what sucks about it is no guy, tough love or motivational speeches got me there. The thing that got me there was reaching a point where I was finally sick and tired of being sick and tired. That’s what had to happen. I don’t know how I can take that to motivate others. Some things would work in the short term. Brian Shaw and strongmen in general were a big motivation I could go back to. They taught me I didn’t have to get back to my high-school graduation weight to be happy. I could get big in a better sense of the word. I guess another thing that helped was turning 30, my 20’s were spent saying “I’ll handle it in my 30’s” over and over again. But the biggest thing was reaching that sick and tired tolerance limit. Anyone else experience what I’m trying to say?

[@omotayosatuyi252]

Yes sir you got this bro

[@LodesDipper]

I agree completely, when I was overweight there was nothing that anyone could say to me or do to get me to change. It was really about finding the drive in myself to actually pull it off. It sounds weird but the solution is from within.

[@ThomasOfGilead]

Absolutely. No amount of external shame got me to change my ways, it has to come from within. Keep on keeping on, man.

[@samuelmcl.9474]

Currently in my journey, and I can absolutely say that shaming never helped. If anything it just exacerbated the mental issues that caused me to overeat in the first place. What helped me start was 1) having accessible, evidence-based information 2) understanding that this could be done from self love, not hate 3) thinking about the value of this goal in relation to my actual values, not just ego or wanting to look better. 4) building my confidence and repeating that i (and everyone else) am more capable than i think. I dont need a coach or a buddy to get fit. I can do it alone and i am capable of managing my diet, exercise, and sleep if i learn. 5) respecting my past and current self despite his mistakes, and seeing my growth from this point not as finally shedding myself of weakness but just growing. A flower shouldnt hate the seed it blooms from. Every stage of who ive been was necessary to be who i am now and who i will be in the future.

[@brianmeen2158]

I don’t know but I find it disturbing how many people act like they have no control over their weight. Every time I go out I’m shocked at how many overweight or obese people I see - well Over half .. 90% of it comes down to calories in and out and exercise .

[@Simon-zu2rb]

@Kwildcat13some bad foods just tastes too good!!!

[@jordanguernsey7716]

16:29 hahaha you nailed it! That’s what I was thinking in my head the whole time, I would definitely go out with the guy on the far right with the flannel, not the fresh n fit douche

[@ZombiiGG]

Nobody changes their ways because someone told them to in either a brutally honest or gentle way. That's just not how it works. People only change when the pain of their current state of being outweighs the pain of change **OR** they come to the conclusion themselves. There is no such thing as shaming people to change. You can only encourage an idea over time and hope it takes hold.

[@VoltaGhost]

Myrons hatred of women is disturbing...he couldn't help himself even though it's not even the topic 😂

[@miguelsantoyo8785]

talking about being fat relates to looks for men and who of course do looks matter to? Well obviously women, don’t get emotional

[@ravenclawconfused14]

tbh as a woman, my type are the Banana baseball players and Andrew Porter from Irish Rugby, none who are reflected on this panel. The male gaze am i right?

[@GreyException]

I don't think shaming or bullying random people is productive. But as a shorter guy, I don't have that much sympathy for most fat people. Especially if they're decent looking already. If someone is ugly and short? Yeah, I'd feel bad. You can only fix that with plastic surgery, and it's nowhere near a guarantee. Weight can almost always be changed.

[@lyssword]

So like, its obvious to everyone that Fresh n fit is a bunch of sociopaths, right?

[@richardpatrick2852]

Hmmm, I guess. Wonder why their program is so popular 🤔...

[@lyssword]

@@richardpatrick2852 there's channels with mind-numbingly boring minecraft videos that are 10x more popular. Says nothing except that the algorithm likes it

[@joshio8577]

No way I just heard the Ratchet and Clank Soundtrack over the ad read

[@savvasumin1221]

damn, such an unexpected comment (and unexpected feels) 🥲🤗

[@jakes1881]

It’s “you’re not wrong Walter, you’re just an asshole.”

[@Disorder327]

Myron is like if 4chan was condensed into a living breathing person.

[@dylanismeyouknow]

Fitness/health is a gift you give yourself. I don’t give gifts to people I hate. So yeah, be positive about who you are and love yourself enough to give the gift of health.

[@LodesDipper]

I agree, the dude in the green outfit described it as “a labor of love” which is the perfect explanation. You can’t hate your way through weight loss. I tried multiple times and failed but when I realized it’s about self love and acceptance it almost felt too easy.

[@samuelmcl.9474]

@@LodesDippertotally agree. Im still on my journey at the moment, but this time feels incredibly different. Im not beating myself up and shaming my way to the gym. I feel excited and happy to get stronger, and i want to take care of my body because it takes care of me.

[@rudybonfini2285]

39:05 this is the fitness equivalent of breaking the fourth wall lmao

[@kevinboueri1051]

Just like Dr Mike, Eric Janecki has some of the best advices for hypertrophy training, promotes full rom and lenghtened bias lifts and all the good stuff

[@Jade93972]

Tevin and Myron both just love hearing the sound of their own voice.

[@colinnixon7739]

Lizzo has free will. You also have free will. Myron all of a sudden went from "boo hoo get over it" to "lizzo is making people fat" So which is it?

[@EvanZamir]

Ozempic is made by the same company that sells insulin bro. They win either way. 😂

[@BGeezy4sheezy]

Cigarette companies sell smoking cessation tools. The same pharmaceutical company that peddles opiates sells suboxone for opiate withdrawal. Really, it’s corporate interests that are behind the rise in obesity rates anyway. They don’t care that their junk food is killing people as long as they make money.

[@jenjoestar.]

@Kwildcat13💯

[@canineuniversity1015]

As someone who is coming up on 2 years clean of drugs and alcohol. My rehab preached “30 mins of cardio, 30 mins of cardio”. I think exercise is crucial for good mental well being. Now I also do struggle with binge eating, part of my addictive habits but it’s possible to still make healthier choices. I sympathize with heavier people and can relate to them as I went to rehab 6 feet 305 pounds but also I find society provides far too many excuses for negative behaviors that would cause people to be like I was. At the end of the day it’s hard…it’s hard to eat healthy, it’s hard to make short term sacrifices for long term gains, and that’s why most people don’t do it.

[@jordanguernsey7716]

35:01 Greg acting like no one ever told him how unhealthy steroids are, give me a break

[@terminaldeity]

5 months ago, I ended up in the hospital for severe headaches and back pain and didn't have insurance at the time. When I came to work two days later, I was fired (without good reason). I had also experienced a severe traumatic event the week before. It took 2 months before I started getting unemployment (which is poverty wages btw). A month after that, my apartment building caught fire and I lost my apartment and a lot of my personal property. My life for the past few months has been a struggle, but I've made every effort to eat healthy and workout as much as reasonably possible. I've recovered physically, and being active has helped keep me mentally healthy as well. That said, I am also in therapy for PTSD and anxiety. The body and mind work in conjunction. Every day I'm able to workout and cook a healthy meal is a gift. I will never take my body or mind for granted. No matter how bad my circumstances, I still have control over my body and my mind, and it is empowering to use that control in a way that makes me look and feel great. I don't judge people for not taking the same path that I have, but I absolutely think everyone could benefit from the mindset of self-control and self-discipline when it comes to their physical health as well as their mental health. Unconditional acceptance is only a positive if you can also hold yourself accountable for your choices in life and their consequences.

[@georgem797]

It is such a pleasure to hear your takes on that debate

[@zaybx]

Looking forward to your collab, let's see that happen!

[@kcchaos0321]

the amount of times I said "Myron stop speaking for women" while watching this the first time, I wish I had a counter going

[@rebirthofgodrics907]

Nah he shouldn’t even speak for men or an animal or…. He should just shut up

[@paintingvalues]

I prefer this version of Pedro Pascal

[@natalieblanco94]

Lmao 😂

[@jenjoestar.]

Wait now I can see it 😭

[@daveyadict_]

Myron is hands down just saying things how he does to get the attention. He's so abrasive that it's kind of hilarious to watch. Greg and Eric were awesome. And on the other side, the guy in green was so sweet and is trying. He admitted that he's working on getting better. I think he was great. And the guy in plaid was amazing as well. I think he's the ideal body type or 90% of women. He's not obese (in my opinion) and he's not 5% body fat (also not healthy). This was a good watch. I recommend everyone watch the original but try to tune out and not take Myron seriously. He's a joke

[@twarg16]

Would you rather hear somebody who is telling the truth and is a dick about the delivery of said truth or hear somebody spread lies in a kind hearted way? We are experiencing the deterioration of society because people choose the latter. Truth should triumph over everything else in my opinion. I dont care if Zack gets laid the most or miron the least. Who is telling the truth? None of the fit guys are saying you should be 10% bf, they are saying not to be overweight/fat.

[@Victoria-fs9jo]

You can't abuse steroids for years and talk about "fat people are unhealthy"

[@nenej12]

When those guy admitted to using steroids it contradicted the entire panel! Also that concentration camp comment Myron made was very inflammatory & anti Semitic I don’t understand why jubilee let him say that!

[@FiFiReads_BookBlenderReviews]

I do think some of them who think "boohoo" and/or "I did it. Just do what I do" and/or "just control what you eat, etc" forget that it's not a one size fits all. I think I know someone who was like that but have since realised that just because you managed to find a way that works for you... doesn't mean it's going to be just as easy or as simple for someone else or what you did will work for everyone. I sure a good portion don't do it intentionally but it's a thing for sure and can make someone feel worse..

[@sagebauer1077]

It's sad that Lizzo is the main catalyst for arguments these anti-body-positivity people use. The body-positivity crowd shouldn't have to defend her. She isn't promoting body-positivity, she's promoting an unhealthy lifestyle, it's different. I remember in high school I knew girls who would see these "body inspo" posts on tumblr that were of literal anorexic women, and talk about how they wanted to look like them. It's the exact same kind of post as Lizzo is making, but on the opposite side of the spectrum. It's not body positivity, it's just disordered eating glorification. There are plenty of fat (and skinny) people online making actual body-positivity content that do it gracefully, and they do it by encouraging healthy habits, accepting the normal body changes that will happen throughout your life, and not hating yourself along the way. that's all it's actually about.

[@dogcatdogable]

the only thing she 'promotes' is her music

[@shaylevene6754]

The thing about Lizzo is she does also promote some "healthy habits" so your argument is a little off. Lizzo is CONSTANTLY active

[@SliPsHoTiFc]

Well done in your analysis of this. As somebody who genuinely cares about health and the importance of connecting with people in order to actually help others make changes or more importantly give them the confidence in themselves to do it. Been in the fitness and rehab space for awhile.

[@davidb5201]

Zack, you had some great takes. It was great listening to this with you.

[@BluegillGreg]

Say what you mean and mean what you say but don't say it mean.

[@VaultOfTheFuture]

When did Pedro Pascal become a fitness KZbinr?

[@likuhsumbodee]

Whyd they choose Myron for the fit side? He looks like he'd be an easy victim.

[@lizoffhaus9628]

I think body positivity should be viewed separately from your value as a person. Your body is a vessel. It isn't what your moral compass is or the words you say to people. Your personality and morals is where your value as a human is. Value yourself as a human and have the respect for your body to make healthy choices. Accept your body in this moment but respect it to want to do better for it.

[@AnneMarie-kay]

For those thinking that Greg had people tell him steroids are unhealthy, but he didn't listen. We DONT KNOW. There are people that legit don't tell you just to see you fall. I have had my own family shame me cause I am trying to get back to 115lbs. Im not obese. I have had 2 kids and I didn't work out. I'm 31 and weighing 135lbs. So at the bigger end for my height. So I can believe that family or friends want you to be unhealthy like them to make themselves feel better. And that goes for fat and overly jacked people that aren't healthy.

[@Darth_Bateman]

They got their food. You got your KZbin. Jessica's Mom up the street where the rich folk live got her Booger Sugar. Mrs. Pitaki has her Wine. and the brother everyone hates has his weed and shrooms. kids got their TikTok. Just remember one thing. You judge somebody? It opens the door for you to be judged when the thing you judge em for happens to you. and in regards to fat? If it can happen to Jon Jones, it can happen to you.

[@colinnixon7739]

Greg: i stopped taking steriods because i stopped competing. 😂😂😂

[@unknowncowman]

Will there come a day where people realise that having a little bodyfat is not the issue and that having visible abs and veins is not necessary to have a healthy body? Like the people I've heared being called fat is insane meanwhile people with 5% bodyfat are praised while they're crashing their health.

[@suburiboy]

I’m fat. The thing that some hardliners don’t get is that not being fat has different difficulties for different people. That can be due to genetics or psychology. When you look at ozempic, this should be obvious. I weighted over 300 before going on anti-depressants, and weigh over 300 now after anti-depressants. I got down to around 240 while I was on them… it should be obvious that body chemistry and psychology affect how easy it is to lose weight. I am lazy, pathetic, and can't figure out how to want weightloss enough to make it happen... but "lazy" only has meaning relative to difficulty. No one has every been called too lazy to play videogames or watch youtube. It is okay to say that fat is “unacceptable”, but that requires you believe that no cost is too great to avoid being fat. Maybe that is a valid belief, but I think it seems extreme. Weightloss is simple and hard. No one has figured out a non-pharmaceutical or non-surgical way to make it not hard. Let’s imagine a squat max as an example. Most men will squat 100 pounds on day 1. 225 within a few weeks. 315 within a year or two… and most men don’t get to 405…. Somewhere in the low 300’s most men give up because it gets too hard, even though all intact men are capable of 405 after some training. They hit the point where they can’t figure out how to want a 405 more than the cost of getting it(which is consistency and some discomfort).To me “fat is unacceptable” feels like “squatting less than 405 is unacceptable”. For some people, losing weight is harder than squatting 405. Being fat is still “your fault” but differences in difficulty is never addressed on a basic level. I will never claim that be fat is attractive, heathy, or good in any way. I am not claiming that it is not an addiction. But the point of addictions is that they are extremely challenging to get rid of. (I copied my comment from the bromley video so more folks can roast me here)

[@AlexanderBromley]

Lol I was like 'this looks familiar'

[@babyreps365]

U seem super smart but I can see you putting effort into making excuses for why you can't and why it's hard. Who's saying it's easy? Easy is junk food and lounging to much. Staying healthy long term is work. Losing lots of excess body fat is hard. Just realize in the end no one cares do what you want. But intelligent excuses for not hitting personal goals are still just excuses. Embrace accountability and really look at your relationship with food. Best wishes friend.

[@suburiboy]

@@babyreps365 I’m probably going to squat 405 next month. I’m 15 pounds down since february(which is not much but it’s a start). I’m working on reducing food variety and increasing food quality. Im adding cardio 5x per week. I’m working on it. I stand by what I said. A lot of people ignore or deny the difficulty aspect or treat it in a way that doesn’t make sense.

[@excalibro8365]

@@suburiboy Doing excessive cardio like that will just increase your appetite to the point you might be eating above your maintenance calories. Walking 5k-10k steps a day is more than sufficient for a very overweight guy like you. Combined with consistent weightlifting and eating on a 100-300 calorie deficit, diet breaks aka eating maintenance calories for 1 week every 1-2 months or so of dieting there's no way you're not losing a significant amount of body fat after a year.

[@TheAirborneKite]

IMO we spend too much time shaming fatness, which is the consequence of unhealthy behaviour, and not enough time shaming the unhealthy behaviour itself. Big clothes shouldn't be shameful, but maybe gluttony should. We cut smoking down to size by stigmatizing the act of smoking, not by making fun of people with lung cancer.

[@aaronburgess4442]

Being low BF at 10% is not important for being attractive. But being fit won’t help. 15-20%. Health is important.

[@sportybeth]

I can confirm that women are absolutely obsessed with Zac- the big dude. You just need to see his comment section and also the comments sections of guys like him. Most women i know aren't attracted to one specific body type but would usually go for a chunky guy over someone who is shredded. In my experience, women don't typically like d*ck skin levels of body fat. But maybe men are more attracted to shredded men and that's totally cool, we all like different things. If people want to know what women like they should ask women. Not a bunch of men.

[@MihawkTopOne]

No, they should not ask women and you just proved why. The women liked his behavior and mannerism, especially in contrast to the fit villain here. It also helps that he has a decent face. Most people know overly jacked guys aren't attractive, but that doesn't mean chubby guys are. You (also the women you're referring to) are being disingenuous and conflating their attraction to his personality to the fact that he's on the chubby side, and doing so while comparing him to the least attractive version of "fit" by far. Go try to mislead somewhere else. There's a reason why chubby guys hardly get any play unless they're funny or extremely charismatic. Go ask the average chubby guy how many women approach him (which is rare, especially not attractive ones). That's how you know the reality. What women claim is irrelevant because the results reflect differently. All the lonely chubby guys who can hardly pull girls know what the reality is and they're the only ones with actual credibility because, despite all the claims women make, they actually experience what women do or don't do.

[@SteveBIRK]

I tried to put my feelings about the jubilee video into words and my comment was way to ramble-y. That Myron guy pisses me off so much. I think from the part of the video Zack has a good amount of empathy and gets points across about being fit vs fat better. I almost wrote a whole ass essay on this shit lol.

[@Brahmsian]

Seriously enjoyed this video Zack, the insight you provided from your personal experience was enlightening.

[@thestoryofpattyb7202]

Amazing debate! About to watch the full episode now

[@danielamon6978]

Is Greg “off steroids” or is he just taking a TRT dose? I hate when these reformed bodybuilders claim that TRT isn’t a huge leap from the natural amounts of testosterone experienced by middle-aged men.

[@williamdieffenbach3264]

TRT 170mg a week of test

[@Tang-qi6zw]

For shaming, we, as a society, spent years shaming smoking and smokers, showing off how disgusting the habit was. It worked. Smoking lost a lot of the cool factor to it, and use of tobacco products were falling every year until vapes came onto the scene. Smoking proves why you can’t dismiss shaming bad habits.

[@FoxStrength_Performance]

How is fat or overweight being unacceptable defined though? Many strongman and powerlifting athletes are. Does it become more socially acceptable when you have a goal that fits those needs?

[@nicholaskoenig3106]

Huge THUMBS UP...! What a fun conversation/debate. Spot ON IT!

[@tomwalker389]

32:50 ALL professional athletes abuse their bodies for AT LEAST 10 years, not just Bodybuilders. Gymnasts, NFL players, Boxers, Triathletes, BMX, Cliff Divers, etc. Totally different from abusing your body with food.

[@KitMoeller]

Best one you have made. Loved it!

[@bigkurz]

Hey Zack you are a good fitness dude imo big inspiration and I don’t even do weight lifting I just do bodybuilding style lifting and BJJ. But I appreciate your mindset and abilities and takes. I like your channel been watching for a few years now.

[@williamlozier2323]

The big Lebowski quote was spot on

[@AMurderOfLobs]

Actually it wasn't. Donny is not an asshole. He's like a child...wandering into a theater. Walter is the dick - but the dude calls him an asshole, to be specific.

[@KAYKAY-ln3iq]

Who invited Myron Tate?

[@griffinpuff5292]

the problem with all this is not ppl saying "being fat is healthy", this is such a small margian of this move ment. The importent thing is that we still see everyone as a human being und not jugde them by their looks. May it be scars, limbs oder being overweight or skinny. And the second thing is that shaming rarely helps a person out of their problem. we need to sho compassion towards them and help them. You knever know what they're been through in life

[@Morphishful]

You missed Erick's answer to the "abuse" question. Very interesting response.

[@ryanlewandowsky2077]

I see body positive movement as having 2 big problems. The way that they demonize intentional weight loss is insane! For the record I hope you know for real you’re not fat nor skinny fat. Online people need to learn lighting is a big deal in how defined someone will look. I’m sure most haters have never lifted nor understand how dialed in on training you have to be to deadlift 690!

[@lertpricler4526]

Holy smokes, Zack ur an actual gem. I swear to god ur middle path thinking is something i cant believe isnt more prevalent. U can no joke see ur brian contemplating everything. Imma start yellin "YESSS" evertime i hear a good point. Fk the haters

[@michaelmcdonald1620]

a collab with Eric is a video I would DEFINITELY watch!