The Railway Review to the Croydon Tramlink

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[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

If it seems that I'm quite bitter towards Croydon and it's surronding area, there is a reason to that. I was forced to live in New Addington for just over a fortnight back in 2008 with one of my least favourite aunties. I even remember writing a diary about it though I can't seem to find it right now. Just to clarify, I don't hate other people who are from Croydon. I just don't like the town of Croydon as a whole. Anyway, enjoy your second upload of the week. This video does open up the doors for future tram reviews, but we'll see what time has for us.

[@Danse_Macabre_125]

Ouch

[@mildlydispleased3221]

New Addington is a shithole, what do you expect? Your opinion on the borough depends on where you lived.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Well it's not like I had a choice did I? I was still in late primary school lol.

[@mildlydispleased3221]

@@MaverickHunterDaniel It doesn't mean New Addington or the Town Centre is a reflection of the entire borough.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

@@mildlydispleased3221 Yes? I still don't like Croydon. I accept there being areas of Croydon that are fine, but I still don't like it. Not really that deep.

[@spongebot64]

That ending joke gave me instant nostalgia

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

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[@Jay-8824]

Crystal Palace:

[@kieranstravels]

That end joke made me laugh more then anything I've ever seen in my life. Bravo Daniel 🤣

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

I am glad my spontaneous mind can bring more laugher and joy across the country. You're welcome :)

[@andrewreynolds4949]

We have a small tram system in my city. It came as part of the fad of installing trams in American cities over the last decade or two. Very few people use it most of the time. Unfortunately i don’t think I can box it up and send it to Croydon as disaster relief :)

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Awwww.

[@TheCaterhamBusGuys]

Nice video! I recently went around all the tram stops :)

[@gorkyshaw]

Mad presentation style! Subscribed :)

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Many thanks :)

[@DMVRailfan]

I’m an American, and I agree with everything you said about our transport. It’s literally a nightmare to use.

[@LordEverythingtrains]

The 119 joke, as a person who had to ride it the whole route into Bromley, is very relatable

[@PGATProductions]

SL5

[@kojosenyo1160]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 This man and his jokes……that last one though….lol

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Everything gets stolen and/or vandilised in Croydon it seems.

[@tastyblox]

you just earned 100% of my respect you reviewed trams 😊

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

You're very welcome :)

[@tastyblox]

Another thing, imagine if those irizar tram-bus thingys for the 358 bus dont make it on our roads and then they end up being used for the Croydon Tramlink

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

HAHAHAHA, if they'll ever enter service.

[@Lewisham_bus_spotter]

the Variobhan dont even have announcements installed in them and the displays sometimes don't display anything at all or just the destination

[@TEBEnthusiast]

I’m pretty interested in tram networks, like the ones in Minsk I’ve ridden in the past. The Croydon tramlink definitely needs an extension to somewhere where there isn’t really a good link, which Sutton is a good place to suit the trams, even if it was planned, or replace a link where a bus route takes forever just to get from A-B around the area.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Agreed. Sutton is horrible for buses with it's one way system and lack of a proper bus station. You could get a map of South London, throw a dart somewhere and odds are it'll see benefit with a tram extention.

[@TEBEnthusiast]

@@MaverickHunterDaniel Perhaps they could just make a separate branch to Forestdale via Selsdon because there isn’t really a railway link there.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

That's actually why I went to Forestdale and filmed the 353 on the loop there. I was going to say something about building a branch on that section to replace the bus.

[@Mgameing123]

London just needs more trams in general. One good idea would be a tram that replaced 607 or whatever it's called now. It would follow a very wide road so the space would not be an issue.

[@True_NOON]

Tram staying upright : Impossible 💀

[@robbiemorrison7085]

Wimbledon always confuses me especially with the Tram, do people have to go and tap in and out twice if they've come off the tube or train?

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

I found a site that gives better explanation than I could give: oysterfares.com/information-pages/wimbledon/

[@Farleigh1050]

If you come off the tube, you go to the tram platforms, touch out on the NR validator and touch in on the tram validator.

[@transportenthusiast11]

You tap in on the train, let's say at Waterloo, you tap out at Wimbledon on the train, you tap in at Wimbledon on the tram reader, go to Croydon and get robbed of all your valuables so you can't get back to Waterloo.

[@thysupremematrix4327]

​@@transportenthusiast11😂

[@ELiJah_PRaYed]

There was a time that Edinburgh Trams attempted to donate some of their longer 7 car trams for the Croydon Tramlink due to building too many trams however because TfL’s empty wallet not affording to extend the tram stop platforms, They declined the offer

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Awwwww, though they are CAFs so that's a crisis averted in a way.

[@ELiJah_PRaYed]

@@MaverickHunterDaniel imagine that got the green light. It will be the catalyst to even introduce 10 car stadler variobhans and even 4 car bombardier cr4000s

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Only if the wheels don't crack lol.

[@elerie909]

Do you have any plans to review the class 444 and 450?

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

In the future, possibly.

[@elerie909]

@@MaverickHunterDaniel Alright.

[@GenericUrbanism]

Yo our tram made it into the video.

[@Westlondontransportguy7045]

0:00 to 0:17 that's the railway when they want more 387s😅

[@TraineePilotJessica]

What were you doing at LHR?

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Just passing by.

[@TraineePilotJessica]

THE BLAHAJ!!!

[@Dexter037S4]

Could be worse, could be building a metro system and using trams that are the north american equivalent to the Class 175 & 180 wait a minute, the capital of Canada, a G7 Country did that.

[@Farleigh1050]

10:03 Giant metal approaching move away if you value your skin 😂

[@Londonmidland319lover]

Class 456's running on the old wimbledon - west croydon line (credits to the creator) kzbin.info/www/bejne/opXRp4JpeLKnrZo

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Good find and goodness me. There's so much vegetation on the line it could be mistaken for a weed den.

[@laurenceskinnerton73]

I’ve been on this!

[@mattevans4377]

Hopefully we get an april fools version with a never built tram system, similar to the [train not found] video.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Don't bet on it.

[@eternalturtle2439]

Ah, Croydon. No tube, so we got street trains.

[@ethanhughes1636]

Croydon trams before the 150,156 or 158/9s 💀

[@FanxiansLeafy]

Suggestion: do a railway review for the class 158

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

I don't take requests and/or suggestions for trains to review.

[@spinosuchusdude7302]

Oh no not the money

[@eastlancsesteem]

I wish the future tram map was real by TFL.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

You and me both.

[@spottymaxy1628]

London Underground would be interesting

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Only if you're willing to pay for my travelcard costs :)

[@spottymaxy1628]

@@MaverickHunterDaniel 🤢

[@gabrielstravels-discoverin7368]

06:09 *EXTERMINATE* 😂 jk Have to say, despite me literally having a train that goes to East Croydon directly from where I live, I am still yet to ride the Tramlink!

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Good. You're not missing much.

[@dooto]

The sheffield supertram is pretty good - the Rotherham part is weird tho

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

I've yet to ride any of it myself. In fact, the only memory I have of the Sheffield Supertram growing up was seeing it on one episode of the Teletubbies.

[@dooto]

​@@MaverickHunterDaniel Oh, interesting! I didn't know that teletubbies would have stuff like that XD (EDIT) I just had a look and wow! It provides a good insight of what the Siemens-Duewag trams were like in the 90s (?)

[@Je_Existe]

About Charleroi I want to go back again. You might think I am a total idiot yes I am but hear me out. I love their BN LRVs which aren’t ruined badly by the renovation like that abomination called De Kusttram. And the network itself has charm from the 80s which I love and fares are pretty cheap 4 euros for a day ticket something I havent seen for a long time.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

I honestly didn't like the LRVs in Charleroi since they felt so...unloved. Dunno how else to describe them. I was only there long enough for just over an hour since I bailed after seeing someone beating up their dog at Piges station. The €4 ticket was nice, though I REALLY REALLY didn't like TEC's ticketing system. If I had more than a few hours and probably some...extra tolerance, I could try Charleroi again. Perhaps the outskirts are a bit better...

[@Je_Existe]

@@MaverickHunterDaniel about the Outskirts I’ve been to Monument (outside of Charleroi) and its more nicer than the metrosystem of Charleroi its self. Its one of the last remaining pieces of the NMVB Regional tramways M1 goes there iirc. I agree about the ticket system its terrible when I try to buy a ticket the ticketmachine didnt accept cards except cash as it should be accepting cards… after 15 minutes we went to a rather weird looking Ticket Office at Charleroi Central where I could buy a ticket.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

@@Je_Existe I see. Whilst I'm here, if I may ask, do you know which routes you'll see M4 and M5 rolling stock on? I'm considering looking into another Belgium and Netherlands trip and I wanna try again to ride them.

[@Je_Existe]

@@MaverickHunterDaniel I know a lot about M4 routes. They mostly are in service on Schaarbeek-Kortrijk aka the 5100, some on the IC 2400 aka Liège-Namur-Brussels-Tournai on the 2430, 2434, 2436. And you got some on Essen-Antwerp-Charleroi 2003, 2029, 2019, 2045, 4509, 4515, 4533 and 4539. M5 are mostly on IC Brussels-Antwerp IC Hamont-Antwerp and sometimes on Schaarbeek-Kortrijk.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

@@Je_Existe Cheers!

[@SJAEDM]

Croydon is a strange old place. All human life is there... you can be walking through the centre of it, pass a place full of timid self-confessed geeks playing board games (who have never made eye contact with another human ever), then in the next shop the floor is covered in blood because someone has been stabbed 37 times for a cracked 3 year old Android.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Awww if you had 28 stab wounds, I could've made a Detroit: Become Human reference :(

[@Not-Grand-Central]

not all tram systems in the uk use KPH the metrolink uses MPH

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Thanks for the correction. I was honestly unaware of that. How peculiar...

[@Not-Grand-Central]

At least i think it does

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

I looked at the speed signs on the route and there were more cases than not where MPH makes more sense than KPH. Such as leaving Old Trafford.

[@RareCameoFan]

Tram link is coming to SCR

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Cool. I don't play Roblox soooo...

[@Danse_Macabre_125]

Haud yer wheesht

[@itzmxrkomg]

nottingham when :)

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Whenever EMR decides to make a return from London to Nottingham cost less than a 2 bedroom semi.

[@itzmxrkomg]

@@MaverickHunterDaniel haha. to be fair, i've got a return to london from nottingham on trainpal for me and a friend for £46. ofc with railcard and shit but still. was expecting it to be well over £100

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

That's still more expensive than London to Birmingham with a railcard. Either via WCML or Chiltern.

[@itzmxrkomg]

@@MaverickHunterDanielEast Midlands railway moment tbh

[@gabrielstravels-discoverin7368]

​@@MaverickHunterDanielI paid £53 advance return from where I live to Nottingham, so luckily if you book in advance EMR can be cheap! Although of course if you want to go up there it will always be your choice and I respect that

[@theunknown2470]

Can i just say. I hate the electric displays on the new electric buses. The trams genuinely need an extension

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

I just don't like how difficult it is for my camera to get photos of them. Also I don't like how on some blinds, the main destination is shown in lowercase but the subtitle is in upper case. So for example 117: Isleworth WEST MIDDLESEX HOSPITAL. Should be the other way round.

[@williamwildcat]

The what?

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

The tram.

[@williamwildcat]

@@MaverickHunterDanielwhat’s a tram?

[@h0riz0n45]

Praise? Of the American tram network? Scandalous I says! But in reality, it seems more and more big cities over here are realizing that some form of light rail/tram/trolley is going to assist in some way shape or form and they’re slowly opening the wallets which is good. Hopefully Croyden can follow our lead in better tram services 😔 #PrayForCroyden

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

It's not so much praise for the American tram network, moreso rooting against the Croydon tram. Plus I've never gone to the USA.

[@andrewreynolds4949]

A lot of American cities are installing them in places that don’t make sense, or won’t have any significant demand for at least a decade. I think the success of the Kansas City tram line in particular spawned a load of poorly planned copycats

[@vik7846]

now review swedish trams

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

I can't swede.

[@vik7846]

i Will never stop, expect more comments on future videos 😃

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Oh dear.

[@ballsinspector]

trams!

[@LennoxWAlexander]

Edinburgh trams with the same station copied and pasted over and over again, very boring. At least the trams are a good length but overcrowding is normal.

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

In all fairness, I think that applies to most tram networks, especially on the Tramlink. It's also not much of a big deal myself.