The Rap Roundtable Episode 65 | Is Nas The Best Ever? | Kings Disease 4 Rumors + MORE | Ft

[@TheRapRoundtable]

We can always tell who’s new here and who the vets are based on the comments. The new people are always in your feelings. You never go to the barbershop or the lunch table with your feelings. We have fun here. Keep that in mind.

[@Mic-100]

No feelings needed. Jay made the better business moves. Us Nasirians believe Nas made the better music... our evidence? Better storyteller. Better lyrics. More diverse content. Longevity. Better albums... illmatic, it was written, Stillmatic, Godson, Lost tapes, Life is good, KD series, and Magic... Oh... we give Jay the notion of being more lit over nas but those albums ain't aging well... them club records like give it to me and hey papi ain't swinging in 2023

[@TheRapRoundtable]

@@Mic-100 you’re not new here tho lol. Peep how broke your opinion down. Then there’s people who don’t know what we do getting emotional and a little disrespectful

[@leroygreen6310]

@@TheRapRoundtable 1st Jay uses more WORDPLAY (Lyricism) then Nas and 2nd Jay gives more firsthand experiences in his rhymes about the streets then Nas does describing them. Next episode ask these Nas heads about THAT...

[@isaacsello6097]

Nas was competing with Pac and Biggie at their prime, Biggie himself said Nas was the best lyricist.

[@t-4579]

When did big say that? Not saying I don’t believe u but never heard that

[@isaacsello6097]

@@t-4579 BIG was asked to rate rappers like Redman, etc, and he gave Nas 10 out of 10 and said he was the best lyricist. In the very same interview, BIG rated E 40 1 or something like that. E-40's people did set up Biggie with a fake concent just to get at him for rating E 1 (not sure if you remember that). Secondly, BIG said Nas should get Lyricist of the year for 1995 source awards, and Biggie himself should get an album of the year. So those are 2 times that I can remember BIG saying that.

[@isaacsello6097]

@Vernon Johnson Tell Biggie that he is lying. I didn't say it, I was repeating what he said, even though Nas is my personal favorite rapper.

[@isaacsello6097]

@Vernon Johnson nothing wrong with being poor, men's Rakim.

[@isaacsello6097]

@Vernon Johnson I am not arguing if Nas is God MC or not he is just my favorite personal rapper. If you prefer Rakim and he is your GOAT, that's cool.

[@superbduper992]

Nas is the GOAT because his music is more than beats and rhymes. He has helped to show that Hip-Hop is a true artwork with substance and purpose.

[@raski44]

​@@ducatarina nas

[@mamba4817]

@@ducatarina 50 is not in that class

[@rufuscross3884]

only an absolute moron would put 50 over nas.

[@superbduper992]

@Vernon Johnson 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣....Nas has passed Rakim. Rakim is the foundation, Nas is the skyscraper

[@raski44]

@Vernon Johnson bra I love Rakim but I disagree and Krs1 was on the track also and for the record the track was called classic

[@supremesun4580]

Great Show Today! Eeze was on point. He Added on to the Show. Salute

[@koolkai4299]

I loved how insightful, introspective, and honest this conversation was. Great episode guys!

[@cyrilxolani8097]

Nas has the best catalogue in hip hop history in terms of rawness and being authentic his the greatest. From wisdoms and creating conceptual albums no one comes close it's even close

[@boycottactivision]

Nas has the greatest legacy. How many Rappers were peers to Big & Pac, Beat a Titan in a Rap Battle, has a better Discography rating than Jay and Em, and about to have a 30 year Mainstream Career?

[@supremesun4580]

Nas been the Top God of Rap since “It Ain’t Hard To Tell”

[@isaacsello6097]

No one knew Steve Stoute until he worked with Nas, so Nas put him in the game.

[@reggiejeangilles3600]

Nas is building he's catalog on his own label so that he can cash out in 10 years.

[@Mono-kr4ih]

That makes sense

[@Don.M.]

And we all reap the benefit of receiving great ART. Win-Win

[@adrielgreen6746]

Coop at the Rap Roundtable is gonna be 🔥🔥🤌🏾🤌🏾

[@seanstroman6087]

Coop gonna hoop on Jarv lol

[@TheRapRoundtable]

Hoop? Did he hoop on Jarv when Jarv pulled up to A2HH dolo? Nah.

[@seanstroman6087]

@@TheRapRoundtable You know he pulling up for the Nas MSG show right? So he in our City. Yall got dawg number pull him up to the Pod and let's have a part two. Jarv could bring the Paper Plane to make it clear 🤭😂

[@adrielgreen6746]

Lmao y'all being divisive. I swear if I had the dough to put up I'd start my own hip hop network and have platforms like Rap Roundtable, A2HH, and Eeze spearhead it. Because they are the voices of the culture we need out there to the public. Some of these old gate keepers gotta bet outta here

[@TheRapRoundtable]

@@seanstroman6087 crazy part is, YOU want drama. Jarv clearly lives rent free in your mind too. Jarv tells y’all he’s a Hov Stan and you shouldn’t trust him and y’all don’t listen. We’ll be in the building Friday wearing our own brand. Coop will pull up Monday, and since you’re familiar with our Pod, you know the lunch table will be fun af on Monday. Because at the end of the day, that’s what WE do.

[@mrmrsplummer3526]

Nas is a true musical artist. He cares more about his music and culture than just being the hottest artist and making radio hits. He's lived in that lane for more than 80% of his career and is still in almost everybody's top five. That makes him number one to me because he's not on the radio. He's not in the clubs, He's not the most talked about or the most hottest artist on the list all the time but musically he sets himself apart from everybody because he stayed in his own lane. Didn't join other crews. Didn't piggy bank off anybody, didn't use the same producers as everybody else did. He didn't use a lot of features. He stood on his own. The king's disease trilogy is the first time he's actually ventured outside himself and he still hasn't compromised his style or stance on the music. It's like comparing Michael Jackson to Prince.

[@adrielgreen6746]

Jay did have next up regardless if Big died or not. Big knew this, and talked about how dope Jay was while he was alive.

[@prograham2222]

I agree! Big said Jay was a better lyricist than him. Jay was definitely up next! Why you think Pac was screaming fuck Jay-Z…. He knew Jay was one of them guys that was about to come up.

[@reggiejeangilles3600]

Nas influence Jay so how could I hate him.

[@lowgoesthagod8299]

You sampled my voice I rule you -nas

[@jasonmoore2994]

​@@lowgoesthagod8299Biggie influenced Jay

[@jasonmoore2994]

​@@lowgoesthagod8299"yeah i sampled you're voice, you was using it wrong you made it a hot line, i made it a hot song"-Jay Z

[@imsofocused4678]

In 1999 DMX and Eminem out sold Jay. In 2000 Ja Rule, Nelly, Ludacris and Eminem out sold Jay. In 2001 Ja Rule and Ludacris out sold Jay. In 2002 Eminem out sold Jay. In 2003 50 came and out sold Jay. Jay was never the top rapper he just had radio singles that consistently played in NY. That gave him leverage over Nas.

[@leroygreen6310]

Jay Z is like 5 or 6 Nas's in sells so if thats the metric he destroyed Nas then.

[@Junboframe]

These Nas fans have the same script for Jay criticism. Jay is top 4 on sale all time, Nas not even top 10, Jay is a top 5 in almost every category. Aside from Em , none of those name have sold out any mayor arena im the country, not even when they were hot. Show me any evidence of Nelly, DMX, Ja or 50cent headlining the Garden. Esco is trying to prove himself by doing MSG ( one night only) for the first time after 30 year of career. My men @Leroy is 👆here in you want to go deep on the analysis were it matters most, bar for bar.

[@imsofocused4678]

@@Junboframe I don't care who's here because I dont know Nas or Jay and I'm not arguing with Jay worshippers. All I know is that nigga was never the top rapper.

[@Fresh186]

Jay hopped on trendy beats. Which has made his music great for the moment but the replay value just isn’t there. His content is mostly based on bragging his wealth and coke rhymes. You Jay stans have hot 97/commercials ears. Nas’ Catalogue is more authentic and creative. He’s just in his own lane. The Miles Davis of Rap! Aka The Goat!

[@imsofocused4678]

@@leroygreen6310 And Em is like 10 Jay's put together so there you have it

[@davidt4337]

Great episode fellas, we need a comparison of the Catalogues between Nas an Jay, an honest conversation and I’ll think people will be quite surprised who’s music has aged better

[@TheRapRoundtable]

Won’t be too many surprises. The Nas fans will say Hov’s music hasn’t well and the Hov fans will say the same about Nas. The war will never end

[@andrewwalker1700]

Salute EEZE pulling up for tha 1 time for tha 1 time🙏🙏

[@MicChecker88]

Great show 😎. The answer is yes.

[@tengofey]

Nas got what he has from raps. So….just seems like a foolish thing to bring up. They both sold a lot of records, have hits, etc. Nas has the better discography at this point. Jay stopped and this channel has openly said they not even feeling 444. Nas on the other hand still rockin. Why deny? Nas had it, Jay had it and nas got it back. Jay just got to make music and if it’s dope then let’s talk. Until then 4 peat in full effect. Nas #1. Hope Jay make solo album again. If not and nas keep dropping then what y’all going to say? The fact is we already there. My theory Jay don’t know what to do. 444 was dropping knowledge, the irony, and so many of his fans poo poo it. So how do he grow in music? Nas aging in rap organically. ✌️

[@jay07261986]

There's plenty of non lyricists that got everything they got from their music but it doesn't make them better than those who are lyricists. That's like saying master p is better than jadakiss.

[@gbjr3512]

Once again Nas is the greatest lyrist of all time!

[@jasonmoore2994]

How when he's been out rapped on songs before. DMX, Ludacris, Jadakiss, The Game and Even his own bodyguard out rapped him.

[@gbjr3512]

Smh!!!!!!

[@mickeylukas2745]

Jay has B, and that keeps him in the public. The Bae hive don't listen to Hov's music but they know who he is. Nas only has music. Nas is the GOAT.

[@jasonmoore2994]

You nas fans just saying any fucking thing.

[@tengofey]

Last point on nas and Jay…we can honestly say nas influence jay, not the other way around. Also, we already know what nas and 50 on a track sound like together. I expect it to be grown up street knowledge/cautionary stuff if it comes out.

[@leroygreen6310]

If Nas tried to say he took know influence from Jay in the last 25 years especially after beefing with him anybody intelligent would know that's a lie. It's people that don't even understand English that have been influenced by Jay.

[@smokezilla13.]

Great to see y’all fellas, peace and blessings. Nas is Thee Goat. Mind you, my Goat is Rakim but Nas is the true Goat.

[@Peace1dy]

Name a rapper with 10 better albums than; Illmatic, IWW, I Am, Stillmatic, Lost Tapes 1, God Son, KD1, KD2, Magic, and KD3…. I’ll Wait. 😂🐐💩

[@cyrilxolani8097]

Life is Good is a classic

[@tengofey]

The fact that Kendrick at 2 is wild crazy to us and the round table provides supportive reasoning for the industry push and that it’s a force by the powers that be. He more like top 20 and we still watching to see how it plays out. Could move up or down. Nas, krs, kool g, Jay, etc have changed the course of this because now we have older legends still rapping when we didn’t have that always. I think this adds to the point mase made about who running the industry and if we not careful, soon the culture as well. Same with the em hashtag, they coming for the culture.✌️

[@adrielgreen6746]

All classics are not created equal

[@shemereali551]

Legend is a weak word just like Ali never called himself that Ali said he's the Greatest of All Times=G.O.A.T that is Nas as well the Greatest of All Times=G.O.A.T Crown 👑 both Kings

[@KingDomTheGreats]

I listened to a bunch of Hov joints in a row in the whip yesterday and, again, confirmed why some folks have been bamboozled by dude. The bragging raps. Not one song I heard didn't have a bar about him being the best. Dude knocked people over the head so much with that that the narrative stuck. He's got substance, yes, but most of his discography is littered with boastful, braggadocio rhyming consisting of lots brand name shout outs or the retelling of the stories of his days as a drug dealer. It's why his joints age so poorly; he's dated most of his once popular tracks. God Did was more of the same. Same story he told on Drug Dealers Anonymous and a slew of other tracks. NaS's music is timeless, mostly. He hardly brags. And Puff had it right in a Hate Me Now adlib when he said "You the best."

[@Junboframe]

Are you sure that was all you heard, are you sure Nas don’t brag, do you know God Did verse is the Roc State on the union ? Unlike most of the rappers Jay just don’t rhyme for the sake off rhymes, his word have clear intentions, I mean these are his firs bars. “Yo, I'm making short term goals, when the weather folds Just put away the leathers and put ice on the gold” Look where he is now. Every rapper has a motif and a lance to see and apply his worldview. Have you ever counted how many times the word hood is on every Nas song or how many time the real Hip Hop os on every KRS one album. ? I heard more range on Jay music that what you just described. From Popular Mechanic, Parenting, philosophy, and theology, sport and of course money and the drugs. He has covered the whole spectrum of the human experience. I can tell you, Is have been so many year since I don’t see Jay talking about his rhymes, he is focused in more elevated statements for the culture and mastering his rhetoric with layers of meanings. I know Esco has range, but i feel the he knew he was running behind, he still worried trying to be the best rappers and still talking about that he is on fire and of course talking about his rhythms. “Only thing undefeated is time The second is the internet, number three is this rhyme” Yeah I thought the only thing undefeated was time, but he managed to find two other this after that. While the other guy is pushing legislation in real life. “The way we used to play with life I'm now careful with the sentences, them only jail bars I like” See you at MSG Feb 24

[@mrworkowt5419]

It Was Written was an instant classic Ice Cube death certificate was an instant classic. It takes a nation of millions to hold us back was instant classic bdp My Philosophy was an instant classic. There are much much more instant classics

[@DyoungOG3]

10:27 Mase I think you hear more about 444 for a reason; there’s a certain stigma to being a Nas fan,i know cause i used to be in high school all the way up until college in the boogie down BX getting clowned for it 🤦🏼‍♂️🤣 people deadass be getting laughed at like 😂 but it’s cause they ignorant and don’t be knowing his catalog people go along with the narrative that he picks bad beats and think everything is gonna be boring, but if you form your own opinion by listening yourself you’ll know that’s not the case; some of the hovengers be talkin greezy about Esco not Jarv tho i know he be playing 😭 but i know some in real life and they be trying to deter people away from listening to Nas for some reason even tho i love and appreciate what Jay Brought to the game a lot of his fans be dismissive when talking about Esco and it comes off as hatin and disrespect sometimes; a lot dont know Nas dropped this 4peat and that’s when the radio bs come in, cause he dont be kissin ass so they dont have to play his music, and his notoriety takes a hit, we all know ppl who actually listen to both MC’s will acknowledge at this point who the Goat is cause it’s for the people to decide. Cant wait to watch the rest!!! Love yall RRT!!!

[@65Excelero]

Over 30 years Plus of….. Putting Poetry inside the Crack Pot and Blow!!

[@1FanofTHEECOSYSTEM]

Love that timely quotable!

[@65Excelero]

@@1FanofTHEECOSYSTEM No doubt Kicko!

[@dappoabdul5955]

Where is this quote from?

[@65Excelero]

@@dappoabdul5955 Take It In Blood- It Was Written

[@dappoabdul5955]

@@65Excelero wow, the best ever

[@dealowmorgan885]

Eeze thanks for setting these cats straight. And y’all sound silly talking about competition. NaS dropped probably his best two albums competing against BIG & PAC when Jay wasn’t at the table. Illmatic & It Was Written shook up the rap world. PAC was playing IWW when he was killed. It’s not even up for discussion at this point. Tell Basquiat Hov we need some raps. Lol

[@TheRapRoundtable]

Why pit us against Eeze because our opinions are different from yours? That’s crazy black man. Eeze didn’t set us straight and we didn’t marginalize Eeze. We had a build. Be better.

[@dealowmorgan885]

@@TheRapRoundtable Fam it’s jokes relax bro. Music like all art is subjective. But l like how you didn’t address the facts l stated above. Lol

[@bundydachosen1]

@@dealowmorgan885 because u didn’t state facts … u stated your opinions and u believe those opinions to be facts

[@leroygreen6310]

@@TheRapRoundtable Mase asked a question though at some point about if Nas has the better wordplay? That wasn't addressed.

[@dealowmorgan885]

@@bundydachosen1 maybe you should read my comments again. Are you saying Illmatic & IWW aren’t two of his best albums? Are you saying he wasn’t competing with BlG & PAC? All l stated was facts and no opinion

[@jf1573]

Answer: Yes

[@13hxvdb]

Nas is the best ever…………….

[@jamaaldavis7907]

Scarface 4 me 🐐

[@jasonmoore2994]

Nas ain't the best because he's put out trash albums and has been out rapped on his own songs.

[@supremesun4580]

Bumpy Knuckles aka Freddie Fox said that He suggested to Nas to change up Ether…

[@Browsery]

I wonder what you guys think of Coast Contra and people like Lady London, Nitty Scott, Flawless Real Talk, D Smoke. There are some great rapper I never hear you guys mention and I would love to know what you guys think! Loved the show

[@TheRapRoundtable]

We’ve spoken on some of these acts in the past but we will definitely circle back

[@bensykes8265]

Coast Contra is fire frfr

[@TheRealAeroAlpha]

Next collab should be with according 2 hiphop.

[@TheRapRoundtable]

We announced on this episode that Coop would be pulling up this Monday

[@TheRealAeroAlpha]

@@TheRapRoundtable dope!

[@tengofey]

I don’t understand cin saying he don’t want to get hopes up. Dude stands by Kendrick unlistenable morale album after 5 years as some kind of great album. If that didn’t let you down, how could you worry about nas and hit doing a joint with 50 while on a hot streak? Lol hella suspect and sounds like behind closed doors that’s the real vibes around Kendrick lol.

[@adrielgreen6746]

Stoute was instrumental in Nas' career, but to say that as a slight like he "saved" nas as an artist is disingenuous when Jay had the minds of Dame & Biggs behind him, Big had Puff, Pac had Suge if we playing that game

[@willt8848]

Stoute did save Nas. Stoute after I Am fell out with Nas for a bit. That 99-01 Nas period was dark. Stoute came back for Stillmatic and their you go.

[@gmelltalk4979]

It was said ether was more vicious and he cleaned it up I also wonder what it would have been like if he was able to do his show at Summer jam and if Hot 97 let the whole queensbridge go up there to freestyle this is what always makes me feel like the industry didn't want it to go to that level and see Jay go down like that on top of that his mother was sick which people always seem to ignore

[@supremesun4580]

Thanks @ Rap Round Table.. Kendrick in the top 10 is Blasphemy

[@shemereali551]

This right here will some it up when u r the King rappers will come for your Crown first Pac second Biggie and third Jay/gay z all 4 of them is from New York Nas Big Jay Pac and all 3 of them came at Nas Da Godson who still wears the Crown for 30 years with the new Album Thun KD3 point blank period

[@adrielgreen6746]

Imo Nas is the GOAT, but if someone says Jay is then they have a valid case. At this point...objectively...they should be #1 & #2 interchangeably on any and every list. Their resume' are stronger than anyone else's in the game. When we discuss them, we can argue about who's the #1 spot all day long. But its only those 2 guys in the convo. And I feel what Eeze was saying. Its easy to put Pac and Big top 5, but we gotta put them somewhere else. A separate icon list. They are definitely on Mount Rushmore with Nas & Jay, but when we do our top 5 lists, it would be dope to get more creative and set those 2 to the side

[@shemereali551]

And another thing on the Sway show when Sway ask Jay how he feel about Nas coming out with Ether at him and Jay said u can't compare Nas with no other rapper he also said to try to get another Nas in the music industry u have to sign at least 20 or more rappers which mean it will take like forever to get another Godson most likely the World will never see again this is history what we are witnessing those are the words from Jay z nuff said period

[@leedixon-xr8bn]

✌ Beloved I agree 🐐 from live at Bq

[@leslietetteh1574]

Mase, you bugging! the original ether got scrapped because the lyrics were too extreme. The version we know is watered down.

[@Jc-ql8dp]

Salute to Eze

[@kc-zf1jp]

444 is a classic. Subject matter, lyrics, no features, all on point. Production was perfect, but not horrible.

[@jamaaldavis7907]

Lies🤣

[@kc-zf1jp]

@@jamaaldavis7907 It's a classic in my opinion. Subject matter, lyrics. Only one song I skip sometimes. Solid album.

[@jamaaldavis7907]

@@kc-zf1jp Jay ain't made a classic since '03 black album..& '07 a.g by far hus best post retirement effort..yall lil hovengers urks my nerve wit Jay dud efforts

[@kc-zf1jp]

@@jamaaldavis7907 Who cares about your nerves. AG, Bp3 and 444are solid. I respect Kingdom Come. Holy Grail I didn't care for outside of a few songs

[@jamaaldavis7907]

@@kc-zf1jp didn't ask if u did....either.....it's just the bias b.s..Jay. ..em peons been doing 4 decades now dats beyond ole..

[@johnsondailysports1341]

Great convo. Nas and jay are my top 2. I usually have hov as GOAT but trust me I’ve been listening to Nas a lot and I don’t know. I can see Nas being the GOAT too

[@benjietorres261]

What happened to Big Pun … Jay didn’t want to do a song with that lyrical Giant

[@leedixon-xr8bn]

Nas has multiple classic

[@navyvet2841]

The first one is about it was written. Nas was gonna let Marley mal produce the whole record. From the songs that were released, nas would’ve been in the fold of kool g rap and would’ve never been a super star. My second one is ether. Nas career would’ve been over if he didn’t make the right record. The original record was a swizz beats joint with jokes and Aaliyah references. If nas released that before Steve heard it, his career would’ve been over. That’s what I mean by saved. And yes I’m a nas fan but let’s be real

[@napoleonroy1804]

Nas 🐐!

[@Iranmyers]

🔥 show fellas. Eeze was a great guest. I’m with Jarv that it’s Jay, Nas then everyone else

[@TheRapRoundtable]

Salute Iran

[@GODGENE000]

NAS is top dog in my opinion

[@urielcalderon9639]

18:00 Jay snitched on the first black distribution if you think the industry didn’t back him since he selldout Bountyhunter was there and verified it when snitches gift rap people they get taken care of period.

[@leedixon-xr8bn]

Peace nas has multiple classes

[@shemereali551]

Everybody wants to be around the King 👑 of Rap music 50 cent knows it eminem and jay-gay-z knows it as well this maybe Nas last Album of his incredible career that's hands down Timeless from start to finish came in the rap industry with the Greatest Album ever when he made Illmatic and doing the Greatest Album of this Century🎉 King Disease 3 let's u know like Muhammad Ali was born to be a Boxer Nas was born to be a Rapper I see why Everybody wants to be like Ali Nas said it on the Sway show when he did Ether against jay-gay-z and one week later jay-gay-z showed it at him and dame rockefeller studio when M.T.V came by and interviewed him an dame guess who picture was hanging up between dame an jay-z office a Muhammad Ali picture man jay-z want to copy Nas at everything in other words jay saying u said it Nas but I'm showing it 😂point blank period

[@BkDodger718]

💯

[@Mic-100]

Jay definition of his 4 peat was going platinum. But the albums age into nothing special

[@TheRapRoundtable]

We can always count on you to pull up for these episodes lmao

[@Mic-100]

@@TheRapRoundtable I'm a fan of yall regardless if I disagree lol

[@leroygreen6310]

@@jacklaing4059 Jay actually did get a huge percentage of his money from being consistent with 16 albums in 16 years. Nas on the other just a small portion of his tech investment is worth more then his entire catalog.

[@leroygreen6310]

@@jacklaing4059 He sold alot more then Nas and without any other business money he'd still be a hundred times more rich then Nas without his tech money.

[@Mic-100]

@@leroygreen6310 Jay appealing to non hip hop folks is a great feat.... Nas did the music he wanted to make. Jay didn't what makes him look commercialized. So of course Jay sold more... but to hip hop, I'm seeing kanye, freeway, Scarface, dmx, q tip, Busta, rae and ghost, Luda, j. Cole, refer to esco as the best.

[@RAakaCHI-191]

Since Albums Sales is #1 Criteria to be considered the Best Rapper to some on this Chat! Here are the Top 25 Best Selling Rappers of All-Time, therefore Best Rappers of All-Time in Order: Lolol 🤣😂🤡🤣😂🤡🤣😂 Eminem Drake Kanye Jay-Z Lil Wayne Nicky Minaj Post Malone Flo Rida 2Pac MC Hammer Snoop Dogg DMX 50 Cent Nelly Biggie Dr.Dre Ludacris Beastie Boyz Outkast Will Smith NaS LL Cool J Ice Cube Master P

[@cg120bst]

Shout out will smith yo

[@jkbzz]

You crazy for this one bruh but very very spot on man. I mean, we do live in ridiculous times. People want to give Jay the #1 spot need to realize if we talking consistency, Eminem has probably been more consistent than Jay. And he has outsold Jay since consistency itself is measured by records sold according to these so-called HipHop media.

[@RAakaCHI-191]

@Kayode Inadagbo 😂🤣 I couldn't contain myself once I saw the list upon Googling and double checking to make sure. I had to post it to show some people how idiotic they sound when they say but such and such sold more records, blah blah blah.....well this is how the Best Rappers List would look if Record Sales is the criteria.

[@Junboframe]

Reduce that list to the top 5 lyricist to see who makes the top 5… That post Malone shit got me shot😂

[@RAakaCHI-191]

@uncleframe I know, that Post Malone right up there was not that shocking since he is a younger generation favorite, but what is more shocking is that MC Hammer is still in the Top 25 and hasn't recorded in decades. 🤣😂🤣 Also Flo Rida?.....come on, it's just ridiculous. 🤣😂

[@tengofey]

I agree with cin about the save word. And if we saying that then puff saving biggie is accurate. If not for puff, biggie probably would of been doing rawkus stuff. You can hear it on ready to die.

[@luddman77]

that was lord's of the underground my friend. Big was trying to sound like Mr. Funky

[@MichaelBrown-ti1un]

"Guided" in this context, is a much better word than "saved." When you say you "saved" someone, that sounds kinda dramatic, like you literally "saved" their life. It's much better and completely fair to say that guys like Steve Stoute and Puff "guided" Nas and Biggie, respectively, towards commercial success, which helped them go way beyond underground backpacker critical acclaim.

[@tengofey]

@@MichaelBrown-ti1un I agree, that’s a better word to use instead of save.

[@supremesun4580]

Shit I Love Hip Hop! & while in America You Gotta take care of Your Business!

[@tauheedsadat3859]

Have y’all been listening to Jay on these features this past year - the jawns with Ye , Drake , Pusha T , The Nip joint ,” God Did “ . How are you saying Jay ain’t outside … Nas an’t nobody f**k around .

[@Jc-ql8dp]

I got an idea fellas why don't yall Invite Big Gipp to The Table and further discuss what he's been saying

[@TheRapRoundtable]

Fuck it, we will

[@leroygreen6310]

@@TheRapRoundtable What makes the Goat is who puts WORDS together better? Containing ALL the elements of LYRICISM while saying the realest things.

[@mindbully]

It’s takes time for an album to be considered classic. Ppl wanna immediately assign that status to great albums. That’s not how it works. You have to create memories and establish a nostalgia that takes you back to the album years later.Seeing the artist perform the album live, rapping along to every song, etc. Dudes declare albums classics and can’t name every song on it off the top of their head, let alone all the lyrics. That’s ridiculous.

[@luddman77]

eeze and cin are still disappointing me. They say jay quotes for different things in life, Nas create songs for every situation in life.

[@mrworkowt5419]

I'm am the chat Lol

[@cg120bst]

Yo sung jay z's chiter

[@johje02]

great. another Hov vs Nas debate 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@JarvTGA]

It actually wasn’t. Sorry to disappoint 🙂

[@earlmonroe4139]

Jay-Z had a better career than 99% of the hip-hop community.

[@brownhawk584]

Peace when Jay was on the Ruff Ryders album X did not need Jay! Jay needed Ruff Ryders to stay relevant!!!!

[@kanonitty437]

Oh. Section 80, gkmc, tpab and damn. 4 or 5 of your top 5 ain’t got that in they catalog

[@kanonitty437]

Y’all bugging! Before I start I’m 43 years old and seen every era you have. So this Shit like draft classes in basketball. The real golden era like dini said is 87-90 with slick Rick, pe, rakim, Kane and krs And them, that’s like the nba 84 draft class with Mike dream and Stockton them. The next one is 92 and on like the 96 draft with ai, Kobe, Ray, starbury them with pac, snoop, wu, nas big, jay, face etc etc.(which I think is the best) but the blog era?? They like 2003 with bron, melo, Wade and bosh but a whole lot more. The blog is the richest and deepest crop we ever seen. More gamechangers than ever seen at once. And ain’t none of them broke. They grabbed the baton and took all the way the Fuck over and had substance, hits, classics and skills. And changed how music was put out and how to get paid and capitalize off the net.

[@kanonitty437]

Drake, nicki,Kendrick, cole, nip, Gibbs, wiz, Sean, rocky and the mob, Krit, wale, future, cudi, French, currency, schoolboy, ab and jay rock, Mac miller, meek,2 chains, yg, dom Kennedy…maybe y’all don’t respect the blog era because outside of rocky and French New York didn’t benefit and seize that moment in that gold rush. This era showed older and younger artist how to get the bag and maneuver in the new age and still got a grip on the game

[@TheRapRoundtable]

You gotta know the difference between jokes, banter, and serious discourse.

[@SaintRoth215]

Jay is the Goat. His stat sheet is unparalleled. I have Nas at number 2.

[@UnKnownn2520]

Im sorry i never heard tupac rhyme conceptually..the only song i know of was me and my girlfriend and that was AFTER i gave you power...hes the goat..sorry #nasty

[@reggiejeangilles3600]

Yoooo chill Jay is not better than nas let's stop this talk. Nas influence Jay and everyone else

[@flamboyantfragrance1539]

So let me ask yall a question, Do yall feel that last minute ray allen 3 pointer saved lebrons legacy in the finals?

[@sam232100]

These brothers have to stop riding Jay-z. DMX was a bigger star than Jay-Z DMX is a better MC than Jay. If you remember why Money Cash Hoes a hit not because of Jay, it was DMX. And for all you Jay fans do your history, he wasn't the MC that he is now. I remember the Jay-Z before Reasonabe Doubt when he had the fade and was with Jaz-O with the red black and green medallion and it was Dame who bought him uptown and Jay-Z had to change his flow because he sound very different and also Jay was never the best because if you listen the Big L freestyle L was the better MC that's just facts. So if any one of you brothers want to talk about this, hit me up.

[@TheRapRoundtable]

You gotta actually LISTEN before you type these blog post comments

[@sam232100]

@The Rap Roundtable brother, I did listen just tell the whole story don't leave thing out to fit your narrative, that's all.

[@TheRapRoundtable]

If you actually listened you wouldn’t have said what you said chief. Be well

[@psearch70]

You don't address Hawaiian Sofie and early Jay Z wack style. He changed and bit off Biggie, now biting off Nas with positive rap. Live at the BBQ til now same style. Jay Z also blocked Cam'ron and LL Cool Jay. If he was King he never stepped to the West Coast. Come on son stop fronting on the Fu-Schnickens style. Only Das Efx can get rock that style. Jay Z is top 5

[@tauheedsadat3859]

Nah Jay is the 🐐

[@brownhawk584]

Jay was big Drug pusher what are u talking about!!!!

[@tauheedsadat3859]

50 cent was hot he never was King ! You guys are trippin .

[@TheRapRoundtable]

You really don’t think 50 had it from like 03-07?

[@marquisharrell2555]

Jay Z is the greatest of all time in my opinion. He’s had a better Career and made better music overall then majority of the Game !

[@tauheedsadat3859]

Stop , it bro , y’all acting crazy Jay flows is better everything Hov da 🐐

[@leroygreen6310]

Jay checked the most boxes the most times bottomline. If these Nas fanatics went outside acting like they do online people would tell them to their face they not listening to KD and aint been rocking with Nas since the early 2000s. Most these Nas heads have bought more Jay albums in they life then Nas and have more Jay listens in the iTunes then Nas and they know it.

[@jamaaldavis7907]

Leroy is bck.😂

[@seanstroman6087]

Leroy with his pom poms🤭😂

[@jamaaldavis7907]

@@seanstroman6087 beyond that if u ask me.....ridiculous

[@leroygreen6310]

@@seanstroman6087 Talk nonsense is all Nas fans are gonna be able to do when it comes to the debate vs Jay Z. It's a differece lyrically between the man describing the inner workings of the street's and the man detailing his personal experience with the lyricism attached to the poetics and that's where Jay Z beats Nas. Nas can describe the outside of his window on Illmatic but Jay was outside with Reasonable Doubt. The details separate Jays bars from Nas.

[@seanstroman6087]

@@leroygreen6310 dawg chill people see you with that paper plane hat and they might as well see you with a cape on. The Nas talk recently got all these Jay fans up in arms. If yall were as secure as yall claim none of this GOAT talk should be inflicting by any means.

[@mindbully]

Note: most great rappers dropped (an eventual) classic right out the gate.

[@mindbully]

Personal top 5, possibly 4.

[@mindbully]

Turn the music down.

[@TheRapRoundtable]

No

[@mindbully]

@@TheRapRoundtable Cool continue to ignore the requests of your viewing audience and be annoying, because ego, right?

[@TheRapRoundtable]

@@mindbully ego? Nah. On a pie chart, if 2% of the audience dislikes it but the other 98% likes it, compliments it, and even buys it, why would we stop giving the 98% what they want in order to please the 2%? No ego’s here, we give the people what they ask for.

[@mindbully]

@@TheRapRoundtable Just because others haven’t taken the time to voice their displeasure, doesn’t mean it isn’t bothersome. I’d concede your point had you conducted a survey. I’m just saying it’s too loud, unchanging and therefore a distraction. I thought the dialogue was the primary focus. Maybe not. Do y’all, though. West up.

[@TheRapRoundtable]

@@mindbully we’ll turn it down next time, deal?

[@juliusangel2774]

Because some media outlets who jay fan gave out there list and put jay as number one on there list , some jay Stan feels jay is really number one he is not bruh even in top 200 jay ain't even on the list

[@bundydachosen1]

Y’all overrating KD1 and it’s upsetting me …… kd2 Kd3 are 🔥🔥🔥 but stop putting kd1 in the convo

[@DyoungOG3]

KD1 is Fire, when it dropped it broke the Internet, what are we talking about here, you can’t call it overrated cause Nas got better with each album lmao, KD1 is versatile, it has something for everyone, it also has nostalgic and a more modern sound; that’s why it’s fire

[@Mic-100]

​@@DyoungOG3 he can't help it... I think the Jay fans become angry when the evidence of Nas being better is presented. Funny thing is some of them is seeing the writing on the wall but starting to throw fits

[@bundydachosen1]

@@Mic-100 u a dickhead … i clearly said kd2 and kd3 is fire wtf do being a Jay fan gotta do wit anything retard ? And magic my favorite out of everything

[@bundydachosen1]

@@DyoungOG3 i think kd1 was just to get the ball rolling so i respect the project i just don’t think it can compare to anything Nas dropped after !

[@DyoungOG3]

@@bundydachosen1 that’s cool and i agree with you, but some ppl like KD1 better than KD2, it doesn’t upset me because i could understand why they’d like it better; but wouldn’t you judge the album on its own merit? how you felt when the album dropped that year? give it some time and reaffirm that’s it’s fire? Ppl lose me when They compare Nas to himself; if it was anybody else, they would get a pass and would accept that KD1 is Fire as it was received by the people who listened when it dropped and that it still holds up. Some ppl were saying that when KD2 was announced that it was recycled material, 💀 they didn’t wanna believe Son was droppin an album so quick after KD1 lmao