Rollo Tomassi - The Rational Male Returns | Real Talk With Zuby Ep. 325

[@ZubyMusic]

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[@TheJollyMisanthrope]

Love seeing the channel continuing to grow!

[@unvaccinatedAndPureBlood]

Men not getting married is a big signal for society that they have had enough. I dont blame them for opting out.

[@comancheclub3449]

Doesn't matter how many men walk away when 80% of men are invisible to 80% of women. Remember, it's well established that most women would rather have 10 cats, boxed wine and die alone and childless than settle for anyone less than their perfect envisioned 7ft tall hedge fund manager prince charming on a white horse.

[@alexryan43244]

@@unvaccinatedAndPureBlood do you recognise female suffering in marriage

[@bezceljudzelzceljsh5799]

@@alexryan43244 do you recognize female suffering outside of marriage?

[@Powerhaus88]

@@alexryan43244 Go to the billion of other channels that focus on that. This is about men.

[@alexryan43244]

@@bezceljudzelzceljsh5799 i don't understand

[@TheTalisman515]

the marriage laws need to change and catch up to modern times. it's a raw deal for men

[@ericjames7819]

It isn't just marriage. It's women's role in society in general. They have been given a role that is incompatible with their nature.

[@nailboy7370]

@TheTalisman515 Marriage laws are jacked up, and so is the family court and divorce court. Marriage to me is really just a terrible risk.

[@Ellis-Tor]

do it really need to change tho? i doubt it, men will not stop getting married no matter how bad it gets and this whole process from the beginning to divorce is just such a profitable industry nobody will ever disrupt it.

[@ericjames7819]

@@Ellis-Tor marriage rates are already declining. The marriage rate doesn't need to go to zero for dramatic social change to happen.

[@Ellis-Tor]

@@ericjames7819 if marriage rates go low enough, they will just start taxing single men, some politicians have already brought this up in some countries

[@wisdomandy9361]

I believe this conversation is far easier than people make it out to be. Similar with dating. Should you marry? Maybe. Is she a woman who displays the behaviors of a wife? I hate to be pessimistic but in 2024 it'll be a real challenge to find women who display those types of behaviors.

[@villaespesa1]

@@wisdomandy9361 If my life is not better, more fulfilled, if she doesn't bring respect, feminity, she doesn't bring peace, then why get married. All marriages bring challenges, but not to the point of making you wish you were single.

[@paulpangilinan9455]

It's not easy because men have been raised to become defective girls

[@AnnMitt]

I'm encouraging my son to have a prenuptial agreement with his fiancee detailing finances and 50/50 children custody. If she refuses, then don't get married.

[@UnlimitedWomen2]

@@AnnMitt Nothing Regarding Chhildren can B Determined in a PreNup

[@luciusael]

I heard even prenuptials can be nullified in various ways during the divorce settlement process

[@donaldjdemarco]

I'll second the earlier comment about children. Child custody and child support are state-determined. Prenups cannot override the state when it comes to that. The twist to his requirement is she would have to be okay with moving, specifically to a state that defaults to a more equal starting point custody-wise (FL for example)

[@ericjames7819]

The thing is, the only real reason men marry is to make the woman feel good. That isn't a good reason.

[@hubertcumberdale2651]

prenups don't do anything bro, especially after children get involved. Its just another money spin for lawyers and the courts.

[@paulhancock]

Marriage used to be a serious commitment, and you were committing to make it work for life... Now it's just a huge roll of the dice for something which people view as something they can easily opt out of at any point, and divorce lawyers are absolute vampires. For a man, tying yourself to the wrong woman is the quickest way to throw away everything you've built and ruin the rest of your life. Social media and dating apps have just made it too easy to cut and run from a relationship, constantly surrounded by temptation when going through a rough patch, and the idea that the grass could be greener elsewhere. For me to get married, I would have to feel an absolutely 'once in a lifetime' unbreakable bond and connection with someone which feels like a fairy tale in this modern society when hardly anyone knows how to be 'real', honest and genuine.

[@Jayar_]

Have been looking forward to this chat for a while. Zuby you’re the only conservative Christian I really know with a prominent name that doesn’t strawman rp beliefs. Great discussion. Would love to hear more from you on these topics in the future.

[@ZubyMusic]

Thank you. I too get irritated by the strawmanning. It's intellectually dishonest and I strive to be intellectually honest instead of just pushing agendas at the cost of accuracy. It's just another form of virtue signalling.

[@wchamp170]

There is absolutely no advantage for a male to be married. Much less a successful one.

[@ericjames7819]

Marriage can't be saved until people accept the reality of women's nature, which is to act based on their emotions. This simple fact has implications such as attempting to make society "equal" and "fair" for women will be dismal failures.

[@darbyohara]

For all of history until recently society knew and understood how women were by nature and had mechanisms to mitigate that. But not today 😂

[@k31rifleman]

Great discussion gentleman!!!

[@Borreguita89]

not everybody is fit for marriage, is clear, but marriage is certainly one of the best things you can do if you are reasonably healthy in all senses. Broken people committing to marriage is more often than not, a bad idea.

[@ericjames7819]

The main problem isn't a lack of fitness for marriage. The issue in marriage is women's nature is to act based on emotions. Given that fact the only way marriage can reliably be successful is if the man has authority to prevent women from acting out their emotions.

[@hubertcumberdale2651]

@@ericjames7819 1st world western women have also been spoon fed "you can have it all" BS their whole lives, and many hit the ejector seat on their marriages at the first sign of dealing with any kind of setbacks the husband is dealing with.

[@adamkane7513]

Marriage is a great deal for women... ...what are the upsides for a Man?

[@impudentdomain]

no fault divorce completely ruins marriage for everyone.

[@ericjames7819]

@@impudentdomain women having the legal right to follow their emotions is what ruins marriage and society

[@symbiont2932]

Perfect combo & straight forward conversation

[@bonniem5384]

At this point I see no point in men to get married. And if you decide to get married, get an iron clad prenuptial agreement.

[@rodneyd1168]

That doesn't work. No marriage. No cohabitation.

[@user-dhlpklqtrnz]

William Wilberforce was for the black slaves, Rollo Tomassi is for the beta males. Rollo is the only one who cried with the down and out, broken hearted beta males. When 99.9% others said "Just get up, man up, get married, have children asap!". He was really the only voice for the voiceless beta males from the intergender dynamics. That's why he is unique & original, and world-widely respected for. If you are just simply "enough alpha" to man up and do all those things, you are not fit for Rollo's world. He is doctor for the beta males, and I was also comforted and healed by his work, well, felt more like a ''ministry" to me but, I will forever remember and support Rollo for what he has done for me. Thank you Rollo.

[@ransomg9479]

This should have WAAAAAY more than 9.2k views.

[@ZubyMusic]

@@ransomg9479 yeah. I think my channel has been suppressed for the last few months.

[@lewislibre]

1:36:18 impressive to hear Rollo mention Mark Driscoll he must really do his study on what the church is telling men.

[@prw956]

Only part way in at the moment, but I like it. I am glad to hear, at least up to what I have heard so far, that Tomassi respectfully is calling those who are traditionally conservative as "Traditional Conservatives" rather than the pejorative sounding "TradCon".

[@donaldjdemarco]

1:26:59 I 100% agree Zuby, maybe even more so than Rogan, as he won't have Rollo on. You are uniquely able to arrange chats with everyone, very interesting

[@CHRISCRAZZ-t7w]

The arms are getting bigger each time I see you guys

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

Rollo Tomassi is an EPIC screen name 💪 There goes The Zubinator... makin' sense and seeking for others to improve their lives... will you never learn? ❤

[@Candlelight787]

@@NinjaKittyBonks Tommo Rolassi would be way better...

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@Candlelight787 ... That would actually be very good, so somebody better scoop it up and fast.

[@Candlelight787]

@NinjaKittyBonks I will open channel pretending to be Tomasis evil twin. I will grow a trash bag pony tail and promote- "Are you even lifting bro!" and "TRT for life"

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@Candlelight787 ... On the right track, but gonna need to be scrawny, talk with a serious lisp and like a Jason mask. Rather than the mask have little holes, they should be zits 😸

[@Candlelight787]

@@NinjaKittyBonks 🤣🤣🤣

[@jpb9524]

Never - Religious ceremony only - you own the home solo. Men: You never want to be legally married, you may want to have kids one day on your terms in your frame. 🖼️

[@rodneyd1168]

No marriage of any kind, simp.

[@BlueOceanSky]

Marriage needs to be removed from government, and kept within churches. If you want to share ownership of property with your spouse there’s contracts for that. Everything should be opt in via contract, rather than “marriage” certificate and opt out with prenups.

[@Dennis-xj8nh]

@@BlueOceanSky I was hoping for at least one comment like this.

[@brianmeen2158]

Rollo and Zuby - interesting collab 👍🏻

[@gunsandpoker7432]

No, they should not.

[@ZubyMusic]

What is your reasoning? I am curious.

[@gunsandpoker7432]

@@ZubyMusic 1 - Very little to no benefit to men. 2, 55% divorce rate. 3, Never sign a contract that rewards the other party for breaking it. Just to name a few.

[@gapyrodawg5181]

Lets say you started a Small business that barely made enough to get by on. Then after 10+ years of solo grinding to build it up to where you were doing very well financially & ready to expand operations. Would it make sense to take on a partner that would do a 3rd the work at best, constantly borrow against the Companies equity, take 60% of the Profits, turn your employees against you, and once the partnership breaks down is entitled to more than half its name & business in court. That's my breakdown of Modern marriage, in the end its not worth it. You can have all the fun of being with women & keep it that way as long as you dont agree in court to be responsible for them & give them your last Name!!! The way around modern feminism or the "Woman Empowerment Movement" is to simply keep multiple women on the "Payroll" at once( that doesn't mean actually paying them in currency, your time is the money) this way your not attached to one, you always have the ability to drop one that becomes unruly, & they tend to stay in line( if you have Real Value that is)

[@sumairshirazi]

If men know and take the risk then yes get married otherwise don't get married to lose stuff that is a easier option

[@pursuingtruth13]

Algorithm 🔥

[@expandingedge7562]

Great talk boys.

[@hamidousy5460]

Getting married in the west is not worth it imo. Somewhere else, why not. If you can afford it financially. If you can't, wait until you can or don't do it at all. I know I won't do it at all and it's okay.

[@hubertcumberdale2651]

non-western women don't have student debt, they are raised to still be faithful wives, and as a final bonus you get settlers rights in her (presumably much lower cost of living) country!

[@TheTalisman515]

w rollo tomassi

[@donaldjdemarco]

Yes sir! Rollo is the man 🔥

[@dantefrancis8592]

Talk to Coach Greg Adams! Next

[@Ava-ex8og]

Prenuptial agreement and marriage. Correct

[@rodneyd1168]

That doesn't work. And getting divorce grape is not the only reason for not getting married.

[@ghderosman5654]

LET'S GO GO 😂ROLL

[@nathanbutcher7720]

Even if you have an angel of a wife, marriage is hard, tiring, expensive, restricting, and boring. It can also be a health hazard. Adding kids compounds it further. Unless you are 100% dedicated to being a father to children and sacrificing everything you have - including yourself - you simply aren't going to make it. The problem with self-sacrifice however, is apart from the suffering that comes from it - is that women don't find it attractive. Additionally because of the stress you risk imprinting the wrong impression on your children as well. I think it's better to stay single, visit and spend money on your kids if that's what you want - but not have to deal with the financial and personal ball-and-chain that legal marriage entails.

[@MichaelWilliamsWMA]

In 1999's Matrix used the term correctly as a pill to see through the machines hold on his reality. Rollo you do not own that term, and you cannot tell the general public how it is to be used. I checked the film's credit & IMBd and you are not listed as screenwriter.

[@blairl6304]

Thank you!! I suspect Rollo is this annoying gatekeeper because he’s not been successful at anything in his life - other than his marriage and his child - no hate, that’s a wonderful blessing - but the Red Pill is his only claim to relevance, and unlike all other “red pill” people, he’s never moved on, he’s never incorporated Red Pill knowledge into anything else, no business ventures, no social dynamics, he’s just a gate keeping sperg. Who cares if Pearl is red-pill, she was super young just getting her eyes opened to ball the lies of modern liberalism and feminism, same with Candace Owens - being “red pilled” means seeing through the BS programming they’re trying to feed you, and finally having your real “eyes” opened to true reality. That’s all it means, you can be “red pilled” on any number of topics. Rollo is an OG, but he’s a total sperg when it comes to claiming he’s the “godfather” of the Red pill…

[@bolotabr12]

Marriage is still a serious commitment if you follow God’s standards.

[@MajorWookie1]

@@bolotabr12 lol

[@bolotabr12]

@@MajorWookie1 We will see who laughs harder in the end

[@maegliinvalantor6441]

No Next?

[@gorge395]

26:02, I agree with both Rollo and Zuby, even though redpill is not advice, that doesn't mean people wont take it as an advice, people interpret things all the time, even if you explain them that is just information, they will say is advice, thats why I would remove Redpill word, instead why not call it just, looking information for the truth.

[@jpdag05]

"Marriage has no upsides for men" is _not_ a fact unless you take the most myopic view possible. If you speak in purely economic terms, this is at least arguably true (though I would still take issue with the claim due to the pronounced difference in economic growth between married and unmarried men). However, there are measurable upsides to marriage in other domains. Relationship Stability, Household Incomes, Child-Rearing Outcomes, and General Health are all _markedly_ higher for married men than unmarried men. Of course, some will argue that this is purely selection bias but that seems unlikely for a variety of reasons. Most prominently, almost nothing in life is purely causal or purely the result of selection. Typically, both forces are acting at the same time on any given phenomenon. Accordingly, it seems silly to state with such confidence that "marriage has no upsides for men." To be clear, this is not an argument that men who are currently hostile towards marriage should immediately get married to the next woman they see. That would be silly, and would have horrible outcomes. Teh purpose is more for people to more carefully consider why the most prosperous, wealthy, healthy, and purposeful men among us tend to be married. The idea that marriage is bad for men seems unlikely in the face of these realities.

[@Gruff338]

I am sick of talking about sports! It’s the most basic stuff. People take sports way too seriously! Sports are for fools

[@rodneyd1168]

DON'T GET MARRIED.

[@K663-j1k]

well, should the USA have a future?

[@NlneLives210]

Bring Myron on

[@impudentdomain]

Rollo wants to gate keep and claim ownership of the term Red Pill, but he is just wrong. First of all it cannot be just about relationships because as far as the early 1990's, even before the Matrix movies there was a growing feeling especially among men that something was horrible about modern life and that what we had been taught was all wrong. That, to me, is what the term Red Pill really is, the dawning knowledge that you have been lied to about basically everything, not just relationships. Sorry Rollo you cannot just claim that its your term.

[@blairl6304]

100% correct!!

[@darbyohara]

The first use of the term “red bill blue pill” was in total recall. Not the matrix

[@alshermond]

Successful men should never get married. All downside risk.

[@edwinvickers143AK]

Please do a podcast with Michael Sartain his business partner

[@askdrten]

I like Pearl Davis

[@romscar77]

***S M A S H the LIKE***

[@Carybackup2]

He needs TRT cause his T levels suck 😅😂

[@Candlelight787]

Didn't Rolli got divorced?

[@wildbillkerr8041]

No

[@hubertcumberdale2651]

No, he just feels like he got hitched at the dying years of when marriage seemed worthwhile. He's an older Gen-Xer and doesn't feel like its worth it for the Millennials and Zoomers.

[@Candlelight787]

@@hubertcumberdale2651 give it some time. Women progress with modern times, no matter how old they are. But they definitely catch up...

[@AGirlNamedVan]

Yes everyone should get married

[@DisposableSupervillainHenchman]

@@AGirlNamedVan Nice try.

[@shaii..w]

@@AGirlNamedVan okay back to kitchen

[@Joshua-eo5hr]

You must think we're crazy or dumb

[@slchance8839]

how does it feel to read comment after comment after comment disagreeing with you? No matter what you believe, no matter how hard you try, no matter if you're right or wrong, you can see it right now, right here in this comment section, with your own eyes: you are outvoted.

[@rodneyd1168]

F**k NO

[@wishmaster4089]

Hierarchical*

[@joshchilders1]

Higher-arr-KIK-al

[@Carybackup2]

Granny Tomassi

[@Carybackup2]

Rollo a simp

[@MrSuavena]

Sorry, bring @coachgregaddams