The Real CONCERN in USYK vs TYSON FURY..and in Boxing

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[@restitvtororbis5330]

Tyson was bouncing around the ring like the DVD logo

[@thetruesquad5059]

oh ye the dvd logo in the past where u just leave the them old TVs and then the screen turns black and the dvd logo is just bouncing around the screen

[@andreworozco2868]

@@thetruesquad5059I wouldn’t stop watching the tv until i saw the logo hit the corner perfectly

[@unreleasedtracks1790]

😂😂😂😂

[@jjt4495]

Lmao

[@nicholasnisbet7094]

It's the heavyweight championship of the world, he should be fighting every round as if he NEEDS to win it. This whole "I thought I was winning" nonsense is just an excuse. Fury was exhausted and hurt and he was giving his all it just wasn't enough. Quit the bullshit

[@ApexOdyssey]

💯💯

[@xtsuspect8588]

I agree it is an excuse. But it's only an excuse you can fall back on with hidden score cards. If judging is transparent, it's one less thing you can blame it on. So, it's not really bullshit...

[@hazerdxhd4373]

No you're wrong. In round 8 he got clipped and got his nose broken, and all hell broke loss from there you can see he kept whipping the blood from his nose he was feeling really uncomfortable from that point on. I had a draw until round 9, round 12 arguably could of went either way. I love the way people keep giving shit to fury this and that but never mention the fact he kept on his feet in round 9, 99.9% of people watching it would of went straight down the canvas unconscious but the people behind their computer screens and TVs no more and laugh about it and this is coming from someone who is a massive fan of usyk, the fact he continued fighting on from that point on is win in itself.

[@Inmyownleague]

Fury got hit with more big shots against usyk in one fight than he hit aj with in two fights and usyk's 2/3 years older now, and Fury calls AJ a stiff robot. The myth of Tyson Fury's defence has finally been exposed once and for all.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kayzzz7130]

U literally just bigged up Tyson physicall endurance as he got hit w more big shots but still Hit usyk 30 more timesan in the second fight

[@Inmyownleague]

@@kayzzz7130 he does have good stamina and recovery powers, especially when he's given a minute to recover 😆 🤣 😂 but his defence has always been overrated.

[@ly-son-ibk]

@@kayzzz7130 TRY TO GET YOUR TONGUE OUT OF FURY BACKSIDE

[@chancethornton6321]

“If they told me I was losing, I would have tried to win” well wtf were you doing if not already trying your hardest to win? Such bs

[@adiedits8027]

It’s called risk management

[@nerdjournal]

@@adiedits8027 it's called cope.

[@peezieforestem5078]

Let me translate: "If they told me I was losing, I would have went for high-risk high-reward strategies instead of being conservative with my efforts".

[@SoySaucing]

The hands down style really doesnt pan out as u get older lol

[@chicopatata33]

sensei spot on. there should be desperation from fighters and their corners should know/tell them its a close fight and to not leave it to the judges. look at those moments when floyd told davis he was losing. turnt it up and finished him. or when strickland(who was dominating whole fight v adesanya) was cornered such and made the last round convincing.

[@alphagamingstudios3408]

Same issue happened with Sensei against Kenny, he himself was confident that he was up due to assumed personal scoring so he didn't go all out but we knew he still did enough to win and got robbed anyway

[@hasangohar7223]

I genuinely think people are clouding their judgement simply because they dislike fury. He definitely needs to be given the credit for making the fight so close… which it was. Honestly, anyone with an unbiased opinion would agree to that.

[@dannyboy2267]

The fight was competitive, but I don't think it was close. Usyk inarguably won 7 of the rounds including a knockdown, and I scored it 8-4 Usyk. At best, Fury won 5 rounds, but even that is questionable.

[@davidfairweather3301]

I think because Fury had the height, weight and reach advantage, Usyk deserves more of the praise for convincingly beating him. Not only that, but Usyk has been so overlooked and underestimated by people in the boxing community. Fury, wilder and AJ spent years bickering with each other about who’s the best, and who should fight who, and Usyk has quitely and respectfully came in and took out 2/3 of them, and Wilder isn’t even considered a contender anymore. For all the shit Fury was talking, how long he stalled the fight, and the fact he tried painting Usyk has the one who was afraid after Fury demanded a 70/30 split, and Usyk still agreed to it. Overall, it’s hard not to want to clown fury, cos if he had won we’d have all this “I’m the best in the world and I told you all” - Yeh now look at you.

[@iancarter8199]

I don't think that they should know their scores. Because like sensei said himself what if someone is down by a lot, and they know that they don't have a good chance at winning, what are they gonna do? Probably give up, and just try to get to the end of the fight. And also that allows for fighters to try a tap and running technique where, they do good in the first couple of rounds then just try to survive the rest of the fight. Its not like they act like unofficial scores are official. If you put all your faith in you already being ahead in the unofficial, that's on you. The uncertainty should be what makes you fight harder under whatever circumstance, because there is always a chance you could be losing and right on the cusp of victory, and theirs always a chance that you could be winning but only just barely doing better than your opponent and you don't want to give them a chance.

[@peezieforestem5078]

The problem is, it's not about just "fighting harder". There are high-risk, high-reward strategies, and then there are conservative strategies. The fighters have to make the call. It's unreasonable to spam risky moves, unless you are behind. So in order to be strategic with their decisions, fighters have to know the score.

[@itsirrelephantman]

That was a great fight and a great spectacle for everybody watching. The people that have got on my nerves afterward the most are the people coming out and saying "Furys crap, he's never been any good", which irritates me in 2 ways. 1, saying Furys crap takes away Usyks achievement. 2, Furys not crap anyway. Those guys went out there and put on a great display of heart and determination and gave us something amazing to remember. Love or hate Fury you can't say that he hasn't given boxing some epic nights, and so has Usyk, give them both their due.

[@andreopupkin]

You do not need to know the score. Just knock your opponent out and finish the fight. Why do you need to know the score? Bs

[@peezieforestem5078]

Because there is an element of randomness involved in knockouts. Sometimes, you get fighters who are equally likely to knock each other out, and then the one who got to it first wins. It's luck, not skill. If one fighter consistently performed better throughout the fight, but then caught an unlucky hit, that's obviously an outlier. Normally, such outliers should be eliminated by multiple fights, but in combat sports, it's damaging for the fighters and also less interesting for a spectator. Therefore, the fight has to be settled in 1 match (plus possibly a re-match), and, consequently, it needs to have a scoring system. Also, sometimes knockouts just do not happen.

[@ilovemyself449]

When they talk about the passion in the fans, i remember watching ufc with my exs family and we would react like that all the time

[@MyHandle4455]

Sensei is a highlights type of guy.

[@Screcy]

People talking about how the scoring system is fine are stupid. It's so ambiguous it literally happens every close fight be: "Oh, we calculated this many points, we thought we were winning ez" There is literally no reason to keep the score secret until the end. Even if they want to keep it like that for the suspense of the fans they can just tell the corners so they know the situation and can instruct their fighters properly. And so many times the judges are braindead and fights are literally stolen. This sport has the worst scouring system. On top of what I said before there should also be a second counting after every fight, with judges that look at replays so they can see everything from all angles and have a final unanimous decision. I bet more than 10% of fights would be corrected. Who knows maybe in 20 years they'll use AI on the live cameras to count the points and we can finally have competent scoring.

[@SoySaucing]

Tysons will is insane lol

[@davidleitner3254]

You are fighting for the first undisputed heavyweight championship in 25 years and the first in the four belt era for over 100 million dollars and you take the 12th off because you and your corner think you already won on the cards ? Wow, Uysk must have really concussed you because that is idiotic.

[@KillyJoe]

You act like it’s because he’s tired and being lazy when in reality, not that I agree with it, it’s a strategy call when you think you have it in the bag don’t go out there and throw it away by getting caught

[@dequavisjunior797]

they would never show the judging live how else could they rigg the fights

[@Cam_on_the_go]

Sensei spitting facts on the scoring

[@craigronald]

Geordie is a weirdo, puts guys like McGregor and Fury on pedestals then when they don’t live up to his unobtainable standards he absolutely despises them.

[@davidfairweather3301]

He’s a bit of a hypocrite. He’s so picky choosey with who he sucks up to, and then when you consider his numerous issues off camera, he hasn’t really got a lot of room to publicly berate people, when he’s not much better.

[@maziastro9932]

Sensei is SPOT ON on the scoring system in boxing

[@OvercookedOctopusFeet]

I think the boxing scoring system is born from an era of when boxing was a fight to the death... when someone had to kill the opponent until the fight was allowed to end (unlimited rounds were the norm before 1910). The scoring system kinda reflects that mentality of 'in reality the score only matters if someone doesn't die because fighters should/will always fight to the death anyway, regardless of any score along the way'. But in the result of no death, a score is a necessary failsafe so that someone who remains living (ie, not yet a murderer) can still get a fight purse.

[@BotDavid]

He’s wrong about the scoring. You shouldn’t know the score until after the fight. If you slack off, that’s your fault. Comparing it to basketball is ridiculous. Boxing is fine with the score being between the judges. You should know without the judges if you are losing.

[@ThyUseless]

Factual if ik i just got standing 8’d i’m putting my foot on the gas his ego got to him and he thought he was still up after a 10-8 round for Usyk it was a foolish response from Tyson and it’s his own fault he lost not the fact he didn’t know the score

[@codyjohnson6427]

I'd prefer if there was round by round scoring. They should experiment with a new scoring system in the influencer scene, it's the perfect scene to do so

[@ruseruser2227]

I agree particularly in this scenario, no boxer should be slacking or clinching through rounds thinking they're up, Fury got exactly what he deserved for believing in his own scoring so foolishly. I do think though that in some other fights, at least some form of transparency (doesn't have to be round-by-round scoring) should be added. Often the most controversial rounds that have led to "robberies" have been thrown under the rug of an end-of-fight scoring reveal, without judges being held accountable for truly corrupt scoring (e.g. Loma v Haney iirc round 10 or 11?)

[@soulful999]

No. Boxing is a sport, this isn't medieval gladiator match. Stop being a oldhead, open-scoring allows for better strategy and you won't convince me otherwise.

[@Wannabe_author]

Nha i like the idea of open scoring

[@jamiewinter603]

The ref literally grabbed Usyk to stop him hitting fury

[@ChessSecond]

No way people think Fury Won No Way..

[@luck1057]

He slightly got away with ngannou, not this one anymore 😂

[@ChessSecond]

@luck1057 Yeah, he got wobbled

[@IVWOR]

Happy New year 😏

[@BLYWRD]

what better way to introduce live scoring to the boxing world than off the back of fury’s comments in the rematch which is guaranteed to reach boxing as a whole

[@yermy682]

Boxing is in a great place rn, cannot get mich better than this 🥊 Fury Usyk is one for the history books

[@Hri100_5rov]

They don't have a good scoring system for a reason, so they can have more control.

[@KillyJoe]

I certainly don’t agree with open scoring at all. But one thing that’s pretty much the norm in boxing now, even tho I’m a fury fan so this is to his benefit now but it was totally was not in the wilder fights and that is to become a champion you essentially have to beat a guy two times in a row and it’s pretty much a given

[@meeknuggets4860]

at 11:00 I gotta disagree with ya. Not knowing is what separates the best from the best. when joe frazier and ali were going at it, do you think they cared if they were ahead or not? no. they were giving it their all. they were still trying to KO each other in the last rounds. a true GOAT, a true champion, will give everything and have no excuses left to give a the end of the fight. win, lose or draw.

[@SteveDave211]

Tyson got beat so much he thought he was wining?

[@hasangohar7223]

Lmao but the fight was hella close tho Tyson won a lot of rounds

[@柳達也-s7q]

@@hasangohar7223no. Fury won only 6 round.

[@MAT-wn5fr]

​@@hasangohar7223He arguably won 5 rounds at most. There's an argument for Usyk winning 9 rounds. A Usyk unanimous decision win was the only correct decision.

[@lebrontoraptors2191]

Fury needs real cornermen instead of yes men to tell him that he’s loosing

[@ashermcgonagle5555]

Love that final take from sensei

[@kJ-gk5qu]

Sadly it didn’t look like Wade was feeling it.

[@jamiewinter603]

He definitely didn’t have any of the first 3

[@cormacflynn7168]

Gib got knocked down in a similar way to fury, against jake paul ofc its a lower level but still a pro fight.

[@anul6801]

Usyk won 1-4

[@Pres98Rivera]

I don’t feel this is the appropriate fight to talk so much about the scoring…but not knowing the score is even another barrier of entry for people to watch the sport. For people that don’t know the sport it’s just a brawl.

[@xiao966]

Scoring is 117-111 imo and usyk started and finished the fight. But I agree there's no point of scorecards cos usyk won with ease and he was robbed of a TKO

[@tylerelavsky5138]

Boxing at its peak omg horrible to know that

[@grandmastermario3695]

And now usyk is injured

[@chrisescudero5187]

There's no way fury thought he was winning usyk knocked out the demons inside of him

[@tjallday95]

Volume really low guys

[@aribaker8179]

Corner knew he could get knocked out. they wanted Fury to play it smart and not over extended or exert himself and get knocked out so they said your winning to keep him cool headed. TBH the ref was absolute bs and bias favoring Fury. Whole thing was just a joke and Usyk still won. Great fight Tyson looked awesome too, I just want a cleaner fight. Go Usyk!

[@glodisd2513]

Ofc you mma guys wanna put a dampener on a great boxing fight

[@njavproductions]

Yoooooo

[@thegodtier7947]

Yoooo

[@njavproductions]

@@thegodtier7947 yoooooooo

[@user-yf8oy7oz4l]

I don't get what sensi is trying to argue because MMA uses the exact same sort of subjective judging system. It's the exact same concept but just with a few more things you can judge subjectively from ie, ground control ect Plus how he says it will give true competition, which I don't believe, because the person who's doing will obviously try harder, but the person who knows they're up will just avoid engaging and try to cruise tippy tapping to the finish knowing they're up on the cards

[@jamiewinter603]

You really know nothing about boxing

[@ImperialPower]

Fury was robbed he won 8 rounds

[@gounleashed]

Way off on the scoring. Dude, Dazn commentary also has a guy scoring the fight, and they announce that guy’s scoring live which was saying Usyk was up by round 9. Fury’s corner have ears and heard it. They were just teying to save their fighter from getting KOd by Usyk, so they advised him to fight smart as he was on wobbly legs. So now they can tell a story as if Tyson stood a chance.

[@bigKyrieFan11]

More basketball content it’s The PLAYOFFS ANT?? Mavs??