The REAL Cost of Ghostbusters 2016

[@davepost7675]

It's really funny how they say that GB Afterlife ignored GB 2016. They fail to acknowledge that GB 2016 is the one who decided to take it out of the original GB universe.

[@menageriestudios]

That is what I was thinking

[@bakuya99]

They wanted a hard reboot of the films failed and blamed everyone but themselves. It could have been a good film if they worked with the source material instead of destroying it.

[@Dking1998]

They made the right choice, ignoring the 2016 crap GhostBusters. That movie should have been its own thing.

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

Everyone chooses to not acknowledge it.

[@zhejunjun2408]

​@@Dking1998actually, it's better if it's not a thing

[@TaliaIGhul]

It's really funny that Leslie was bitching about racism considering she's made so many anti-white people tweets long before she filmed the GB reboot.

[@Darth_Lex]

And played stereotype characters on SNL.

[@douglasarthur2673]

It's always the same......

[@Sicarius888]

But you can and maybe even should insult men, white or straight people now. Just not the other way around, modern equality in practice.

[@greenliongirl07]

Shhh. . . We're not supposed to see the hypocrisy.

[@TiaraStarbrighter]

She probably wrote the "is this because I'm black" non-joke from the trailer. I saw that as yet another reason to NOPE out of that travesty.

[@Arassar]

Leslie Jones is a shining example of the room-temperature IQ Hollywood actress.

[@alexipestov7002]

Does she not know? Or does she know perfectly well and is grifting to get money from gullable idiots. Remember, that 50% who voted for blue has a ton of simps and way too much money

[@JohnDoe-wq5eu]

And would get literally zero traction at all, if she wasn’t also a POC woman. Something she uses as a shield constantly.

[@EamonThePhilogynistWalford]

In degrees Celsius rather than Fahrenheit, I'll bet. 😈

[@user-or3qe4pf9o]

She's a better professional victim than actress 🤣

[@ramigilneas9274]

It certainly pays better.

[@Bidimus1]

There is a difference?

[@nilpointfive]

People like Leslie completely write off all critics as racists, bigots, or impotent keyboard warriors, yet they behave like holier than thou arrogant narcissists online. They never stop to consider that maybe being completely unlikable is why no one likes them.

[@the1magageneral323]

Leslie Jones is the racist one.

[@JohnDoe-wq5eu]

Her own statements make it clear she’s completely lacking in self-awareness. Here she is saying how she’s been thrown under, the bus she was underpaid. all her (best) scenes were cut etc. And yet she still blames “the fans” for the movie sucking and literally everything that happened to her around it. It’s clear Hollywood was the one that victimized her more than anyone she got lied to and conned and now she’s angry and bitter but lashing out at the wrong people.

[@Slitheringpeanut]

It's called projection, that's what she was.

[@marklechman2225]

*pssst* that’s exactly why they become actors

[@brianbelden2449]

She didn't get harassed on Twitter. She got in return exactly what SHE initially had been dishing out for years, & rightfully so. Right now it feels like woke is on its 14th minute and I really hope that it is.

[@chongli3007]

Nah. "Woke" is being promoted by the wealthiest people on earth. It's been the plan all along and they're not gonna quit now.

[@ImpetuouslyInsane]

@@chongli3007 No, brianbelden is right. The problem with people figuring out they're being screwed with is that even the wealthy can't stop that. Money needs to be spent and it goes back into the hands of the people and eventually, there goes the control. Since all they know is to spend money, it'll fix itself eventually. Can't spread a message when you can't affortdthe paper.

[@muigokublack6487]

Reminds me of that comic where someone throws shit over the internet wall and then when it gets thrown back at them they cry misogyny.

[@JohnDoe-wq5eu]

@@chongli3007 That’s the thing that truly and deeply scares me. BlackRock,ESG scores, forcing diversity and politics down peoples throats. I’m afraid we’re moving into a much darker time than we’ve ever seen before.

[@SUPREMELEGEND]

@@JohnDoe-wq5eu nah, the message is being almost universally rejected. It doesn't work if nobody believes in the bs.

[@darktenor4967]

The tag line of the old cartoon series featuring Egon, Winston, Peter, Janine, and Ray: "the real! ghostbusters!" Is more relevent now than it has ever been!

[@darktenor4967]

@@kevinw374 Ah, my mistake. In fairness it is a long while since I saw the cartoon, but now you mention it, I do remember Janine taking a very active part in several missions, especially when it came to turning up with the backup vehicle to pull the other four out of trouble. I've edited the original comment and added her name to the list.

[@weaselboyjenkins3931]

“ I saw this movie on a flight and people were still walking out,” might have been the best quote I’ve heard regarding this movie.

[@ThrowbackDrummer]

“Wah wah wah! Pay attention to me! I’m a victim! Racist! Misogynist” Leslie, give us something new. We’ve heard all that before

[@McFrozenNuggets]

The nail in the coffin for 2016 is when Dan Aykroyd said on live TV that Paul Feig will never be allowed back at Sony. So dream on, Leslie Jones. Blame Feig for ruining your career, not the fans.

[@StreetPreacherr]

Well Feig obviously made a huge blunder by spending time shooting ALL of this INCREIDIBLE extra IMPROV material, that must have just been TOO FUNNY to actually be included in the movie... Maybe it was SO FUNNY that Bill Murray saw it and demanded everything be cut, because it might have ended up making this movie even better than the original!

[@McFrozenNuggets]

@@StreetPreacherr 🤣🤣🤣

[@PhantomFilmAustralia]

@@StreetPreacherr Most of the comedy in the original was passive, and delivered straight and deadpan. With the exception of Venkman, the comedy was less of the action but primarily of the reaction. On the page, the lines weren't funny. The delivery and the reaction to the lines is what made the original Ghostbusters comedy gold. Feig fell on his ass trying to make a "Bridesmaids-style" of film in the Ghostbusters world. It never had the charm nor could hold a candle to the original.

[@suchanjv]

@@PhantomFilmAustralia I still laugh hard every time they fire up the proton packs in the elevator.

[@ImpetuouslyInsane]

@@PhantomFilmAustralia That's the crux of the whole thing, isn't it? I've said before that the surface level elements were there in GB16, but the chemistry and nuance of the actors involved were the thing missing. That, and Reitman shot the movie like a horror movie which made the reaction way more hilarious. The moods were mixed and it created the feeling of, "I should be dreading this, but this is ridiculous!" Not saying that didn't happen with Feig, but the way his came across was more, "I'm dreading this and it IS ridiculous, but I don't wanna see more. Clear the exit, I'm outta here!"

[@mpg272727]

Ghostbusters 2016 was obviously an SNL parody skit that somehow become a movie and nobody will convince me otherwise

[@Larry]

The problem I've always felt is Ghostbusters fans had been messed around for decades waiting for a third movie, and when Harold Ramis died, they pretty much lost any hope. So when this 2016 movie came along, it felt like a huge slap in the face. IF the same plot/characters had been used in anything outside of ghostbusters, like hunting monsters or some kind of Men in Black spin off as Sony also owns that, it would have faired far far better, albeit totally forgotten by now.

[@victorgaminglounge3967]

You make a great point there Guru Larry. But then of course we did eventually get a Third Movie in the form of Ghostbusters: Afterlife in which in my opinion sucks. If you want an actual third movie go play the 2009 Game.

[@toomanyaccounts]

@@victorgaminglounge3967 Afterlife respected the prior movies and tried to answer questions.

[@victorgaminglounge3967]

@@toomanyaccounts Fair enough

[@robinthrush9672]

Still only had two small chuckles (from Hemsworth), so I don't think it would have done well. Maybe earned its money back. Word of mouth would have killed it.

[@victorgaminglounge3967]

@@robinthrush9672 Oh you got that right.

[@24framedavinci39]

Huge difference between Leslie Jones and Ernie Hudson. Talent being the biggest that comes to mind.

[@rnettles6241]

Both had token, marginalized roles at low pay and weren't thrilled about it. But Ernie went with the flow and is still enjoying the fame of being in an iconic movie because he was humble about it.

[@Cakegolem]

And likeability....

[@paulrippcord506]

Real talk I loved Hudson in The Crow and Leviathan.

[@r3dr4te963]

Yeah, most complain about Hudson is his character (Winston) being underutilized. Fans want him to get more spotlight.

[@frankgesuele6298]

@@rnettles6241There are no small roles only small actors😎

[@ohnosmoarlulcatz]

The long lasting cultural damage of Ghostbusters 2016 is still continuing as they reimagine existing franchises like Wheel of Time and Witcher into garbage.

[@joshuarichardson6529]

Hopefully the writer's strike will kill some of the garbage Hollywood is putting out. There are several series that need to die.

[@SUPREMELEGEND]

They are making the movies bad on purpose.

[@Psilocybin77]

@@SUPREMELEGEND I tend to agree. Make propaganda, make people fight. It's politics of division 101.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Technically Fant4stic id argue started it a little as the appetizer for this culture war

[@whitetiana3022]

remember how avgn got in trouble just for saying he wasn't going to go see it because it doesn't look good?

[@TaliaIGhul]

His wife was called a gold digger by one of those jackasses that defended this piece of shit movie.

[@FoxHoundUnit90]

That’s when I saw patton oswalt for the ass hole and fake nerd he is

[@tljscrewjob6397]

Yeah. And he went into very specific detail as to why he wouldn’t see it like Bill Murray being on board for 2016, but not Ghostbusters 3 for how ever many years. But because James Rolfe’s a man and the 2016 cast were women, that’s all that mattered.

[@darthgamer9861]

thats where I first discovered woke nonsense. people still owe James an apology for treating him like shit for the crime of not wanting to watch a garbage hollywood remake.

[@jonathanmulondo9206]

Ghostbusters 2016 was ground zero for everything wrong with woke Hollywood

[@McFrozenNuggets]

And Bob Iger keeps making the same mistake as GB 2016.

[@elmarakovideo]

@@McFrozenNuggets I guess Iger agrees with KK "The Force is Female".🙄

[@the1magageneral323]

And why woke women are not funny

[@majorgear1021]

Birds of Prey and Charlie’s Angels, too!

[@McFrozenNuggets]

@@elmarakovideo Actually, I think at this point, he hates her. It's the "can't fire without cause" clause in the Lucasfilm buyout contract that George Lucas and him signed in 2012 regarding KK.

[@NuttySquirrel_8]

Leslie Jones published an autobiography? There's another FLOP for you.

[@menageriestudios]

🤣Good one

[@roberthill6216]

Who?

[@elmarakovideo]

Coming Soon to a Dollar Store near you!

[@arbhall7572]

Cat ladies with a pile of self published biographies, its gonna be the meme in 30 years when they start expiring.

[@rnettles6241]

SERIOUSLY!?! WTF? If I want an angry black woman's opinion on anything, I'll remove my ear-buds when riding the CTA busses.

[@clarity2199]

I love the MTA worker thing. The reason she brings that up is Hollywood was calling the fans racist. So the fans pointed the MTA thing out as a counter to their accusation. All the white women they made as scientists, and the one black woman they made a subway worker, giving the black person the low wage job. So, they weren't exactly bitching about it, they were just pointing out if anyone's racist they are. So, of course Hollywood grabs onto that with the 'pity me' card, while still trying to call the GB fans racists.

[@MeOutside]

MTA and all other blue collar workers keep the country going. Look how bad things get when waste collection workers go on strike.

[@blacksuperwoman1837]

But she signed on to play a subway worker and didn't demand to be made a scientist. That's a her problem. But wouldn't she see more supernatural stuff in her job?

[@kurtwinter4422]

Weren't the scientists unemployed and the MTA worker had job protection and a pension?

[@LordRayken]

Jones played a stereotypical racist caricature of a black woman. Ernie played a normal human being and we weren't given details on his history. He was the relatable everyman who got caught up in it all. Leslie was just a loud mouth unfunny idiot

[@arioch2112]

Yeah yeah, she didn't have any issues with being a bus driver, just like so many didn't have ANY trouble with Finn in Star Wars being a @#$^%ing JANITOR! Did you know that in earlier versions of original Ghostbuster script, Ernie Hudson's character was an Air Force officer? Equal application of outrage, please. Leslie is making a damn fool of herself.

[@Launchpad05]

You couldn't pay me A million dollars to go see 'Barbie', but at least that movie was 'on brand' while 'Ghostbusters 2016' wasn't.

[@sethkaicer319]

Leslie Jones thought that rigamortis was a venereal disease.

[@amandahuggandkiss2998]

He’s here all week folks! Try the tuna steak.

[@dadocta5168]

and yet Hollywood looked at this movie like it financially topped Avatar.

[@Launchpad05]

'Ghostbusters 2016' is like putting A pink square peg in A male round hole when it already had A pink round hole that fits just fine.

[@ramigilneas9274]

But… it was the most successful movie that premiered on a specific holiday or something similar unimpressive.

[@paulrippcord506]

@@ramigilneas9274 Ghostbusters 2016, had the most successful Arbor Day weekend.

[@lukeball4937]

If she wanted the negative stuff online to stop, all she had to do was tell her PR department to stop sending it. Saying you got threats online and actually proving it are two different things. In today’s world, I can think of few things more easily traceable than a credible threat done online. Are we supposed to believe that in 2016 Jack Dorsey couldn’t track down who was sending threatening tweets? If they were happening at all, they were doing it for the press. The victim mentality runs deep.

[@treyhelms5282]

Yeah, I call BS on her receiving any actual death threats. Seems like any defense for a leftist is to claim "I received anonymous death threats". And that somehow mitigates said leftist being absolute garbage.

[@valuedCustomer2929]

Like Chrs Rufo excellently explains in his new vid, we're living in a clustr B society where meritocracy has beem supplanted by vctimhood w0rship

[@vitoguttilla2926]

Her and the other idiots from that cast, Insulted life long GB fans in every interview they went on. They started the war, We Finished it.

[@pure-blood17]

Exactly, no one on earth cares about this dude. Zero actual threats where sent to him….

[@travisgravelle7687]

The fact that Lesile Jones was even in the movie was not even on my radar for how bad it was.

[@rnettles6241]

It was a big black flag for me. I meant to say, red flag.

[@mkinkade7103]

I just realized that I might have been wrong all these years. Ghostbusters 2016, MIB International, and Thor Love & Thunder, all have two things in common. They’re all about aliens and Hemsworth sold his self respect.

[@RantTheRetort]

Gb2016 ignored Ghostbusters, then those same idiots complained that their movie got ignored? no wonder she is reduced to printing her twitter feed and calling it a book.

[@menageriestudios]

I Agree

[@Czarisyn]

This was the first movie I can remember where the people making it were attacking the fans of the franchise. That decision to this day boggles my fucking mind.

[@Awakeandalive1]

Jones received the worst of it? No, she really didn't. She was ignored for the most part. The one who received the worst of it was the director...

[@jeremyblackmouth3323]

There was a cartoon called Extreme Ghostbusters where Egon was a college professor teaching and training four college students from various backgrounds to be the next generation. A Puerto Rican, a goth girl, an academic pursuing black and even a sports junkie in a wheelchair. That alone held better promise of being movie and would have been more attuned to the politics of the time as well.

[@mechaman7818]

The whole "You can just ignore it if you don't like it. It doesn't change the rest of the series." line of thinking is a cancer of the soul. It's one of those arguments that sounds reasonable, but in the end it's just the Demiurge. As usual.

[@atillathehungry3145]

UMMM, doesn't Ghostbusters 2016 ignore the two previous movies itself.

[@menageriestudios]

She doesn’t even remember her own movie

[@planetschlock]

Leslie Jones wrote a book? I wasn't even aware that she'd ever read one before.

[@otbaht]

id feel bad for leslie about twitter "attacks" if it wasn't for the fact she actually told her fans to "get her" against someone on twitter as well which is a focused and directed attack.

[@ramigilneas9274]

She behaved like a boomer who doesn’t understand how the internet works. The only way to defeat trolls is to ignore them… but she took the bait and responded like a simpleton.

[@peppermintspacecapsule9898]

The argument that Afterlife ignores GB16's existence is ridiculous. Didn't GB16 completely ignore the original two GB films? Of course it did! Yet we're supposed to ignore that fact and focus on Afterlife ignoring GB16. Preposterous!

[@menageriestudios]

I was thinking the same thing

[@ForDemoPurposesOnly]

I think GB2016 might have worked if it had been more of a "passing of the torch" type scenario, set in the same universe and having all the women related to/knowing the original Ghostbusters (daughters/nieces/etc). And maybe tone down the "girl boss" aspect of the characters.

[@peppermintspacecapsule9898]

And the big boss ghost at the end specifically getting shot in the D is something I could happily have lived without! 😵

[@kingslayer2999]

Remember when the Film Critics Shilled Hard for Ghostbusters 2016 😂😂😂

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

The only reason she got such a backlash is because she attacked people first. It went something like this: Fans: "This looks like trash." LJ: "You're just a woman hating basement dwelling troll!" Fans: "That's what you think I am? Okay then...." LJ: "Why am I being attacked!!!?!"

[@Ihaveaglitch]

Remember folks, she wasn’t added to SNL because of her talent, she was only added to SNL after certain people complained about the lack of black female cast members and Keenan was having to play black women in skits.

[@elizabethtaylor8428]

After she left SNL, I don't recall her in movies that were released except two: GB 2016 and the sequel to Coming to America. Jones wrote her book to stay relevant for her "fans" and play a victim of racism since GB 2016 was nothing more than an over extended SNL skit over bloated with improv.

[@TiaraStarbrighter]

GB2016 was a terrible idea. 1. the original relied a great deal on the chemistry of the actors, three of whom were well known for their comedic chops. By contrast, the only lead people knew was Melissa McCarthy whose fanbase skewed very female. 2. The decision to reboot the series such that the team that everyone loved never existed. And THEN the actors reprise their roles as different character JUST TO RUB IT IN YOUR FACE! 3. Selecting Paul Feig, a man whose movies can only appeal to women (except for perhaps the McCarthy spy parody that had Jason Statham in it) to reboot a franchise with traditionally male leads and audience (although some women were fans as well). 4. Apparently, director Paul Feig was bullied as a child and made the Kevin character as his f*** you to those more masculine men. This counterpart to Jeannine from the original was a one note character with no depth and just BEGGING to have a twist like he was actually smart but people only liked him for his looks and thus he hide his intellect. Basically a modern day and male version of Hedy Lamarr. NOPE! Kevin is just an idiot. Heck, was there a single likeable man in the movie? 5. Letting Feig (seeing a pattern here) pop off on the fans he NEEDED to support the big budget movie he was making. This wasn't Bridesmaid made for 35 million that can survive on just women BUT a 150+ million reboot of a movie that skews male. They needed to NOT honk off men so he proceeded to do that very thing. Looks like the major players involved have all been busted back down to the B-leagues where the can make movies for the audience they have and make some money while beloved franchises are spared.

[@sithazzazzin7329]

I love how she states that fans hate 2016 cause of women actors but ignores the fact the afterlife's lead actor was female.

[@paulrippcord506]

And you know what I thought to myself, “I really need to read an autobiography about Leslie Jones, that’s such an interesting and amazing person”.

[@rnettles6241]

Me too. I'm just about finished with Yoko Ono's autobiography.

[@patricklemire9278]

Feig was offered a lot of advice from the creators of the first two movies and he ignored it all. And the movie bombed. So why are he and Jones surprised Reitman ignored their movie?

[@kevingiven3463]

Leslie Jones should realize that there was a Black Ghostbuster in the original since Ernie Hudson played her characters uncle in her movie.

[@thehonoredone2361]

Who you gonna call?! Most likely not these ones.

[@captaincrook1582]

... the cinema ticket office, for my money back! 😂

[@greenliongirl07]

Unless it's for a prank. "Yes, we have a ghost problem here at the hospital. There's a spirit named Richard Mortis in the morgue. The hospital is at 123 U. R. Fire lane outside the business district."

[@deegee6863]

The Real Ghostbusters

[@Launchpad05]

I'd rather call Filmation's Ghostbusters than those ladies.

[@kingsnorthlobotomy]

The worst idea in the history of cinema was actually: Cats

[@Passionfullofart]

I bought the latest box set which was released with the first 2 movies and the real third Ghostbusters movie it also released with a book and the box is pretty cool it lights up when opened and they forced the 2016 version with a digital release.

[@Se7enBeatleofDoom]

Of course, Leslie Jones ignores Disney's long history of censoring black actors on Chinese movie posters including the Little Mermaid remake.

[@steveruiz1993]

I liked Winston. He represented the everyday guy. He was the only non-scientist Ghostbuster. In the cartoon, his personality was further expanded on. He was really smart, and the solver of mysteries. But I loved what the latest movie did with him. He became a CEO of his own company, and took care of his own. He looked after his brothers (the other Ghostbusters) and restored Ecto 1 and rebought the Firehouse. I loved the other guys too, but Winston was the unsung hero in the background. I loved his development.

[@ImpetuouslyInsane]

The MAJOR failing of GB16 was the cheer misunderstanding of the elements of the Ghostbusters. Look at how it was broken down: 1: Involvement of several SNL cast/comedy actors 2: Ad-libbed in places 3: Ambiguity of equipment function 4: Treating authority like shit 6: Authority treating characters like shit 7: Big monster at end Of all of this, Feig couldn't grasp something Ivan got from the start: Chemistry. One of the major things people don't grasp with Ivan Reitman is that Ivan had an interest in horror movies. From what I understand, the original Ghostbusters was shot like a horror movie. The lighting, the angles, the props for the terror dogs, the arms coming out of Dana's chair, all of that shit was done legit horror movie style. Mr. Stay Puft was built to be a legit threat and that's why it was so damn hilarious: They were playing this whole thing straight. Look at GB16 and how everything was shot. Bright lighting, vivid colors, blatantly absurd and flat jokes, and constant. _Fucking. _*_TALKING._* Feig never let the scene have oxygen. The tension of the original made the whole thing funny. With a constant barrage of noise coming from the actors it never let any build up. It was like Feig took the whole mayor's office scene from the original and the Gramercy Mansion scene from Ghostbusters II and just made that the whole movie's dialogue. In addition, Feig just took the elements I listed above and just them into the pot, cranking the heat without reading the baking instructions. Then the controversy. 🙄The short version of that was Feig getting stupid amounts of hubris because he got a major franchise name under his belt. The name was something special and thought it would be a hit either way. If anything, they started treating it like a battle cry. The Studio thought the majority of Americans and people in general would just _love to see it!_ All females kicking ass and taking... I can't. They tried to take a movie about ghosts and cool tech and turned it into anti-masculine propaganda. That was Hollywood thinking we had been conditioned to love anything with an old name attached to it as well as being stupid enough to be insulted and like it. Now enter Jones. She saw the play being enacted and saw how she could use it for her racial shit. If anything happened to any of these people, it was because their own hubris, and Jones is one of the larger offenders. Wanna know how petty these people were? Feig started having all of these dumbass actors reshoot scenes just to own the "haters"... or as I like to call them,, NORMAL PEOPLE, it cost the production more time and money just so they can troll the trolls. Yeah, that went like the the scent of asparagus in someone's Tang. No matter how bad Jones thinks the whole racism she received was, she was dumb enough to engage in it thinking she was a protected individual. No one is safe. You make yourself a target, expect it. The whole deal here is that these people thought they had power and once to show how talentless you are, no amount of sympathy demands are going to change you are only using it for gain and to show false allegiance to a cause. AKA using feminism as a shield, or in Jones' case, feminism and racism. She got what she got because she challenged Doing it with a cloud storage drive full of her noodles didn't express anything other than the sheer faith she has in her own status as a marginalized person to supposedly stop bad things from happening I guarantee she only had at most 100 people fucking with her. 100 out of 7 billion people on earth. That's not enough to call the whole world racist. It's like those tards that don't understand that just because you put anti-gun laws in a city the criminals weren't gonna abide by them anyway. If anything, now they know Granny ain't packin' so it's fair game to rob people. A law or societal norm being written down or existing isn't going to physically stop someone from doing the misdeed. There's a reason cops exists: to *enforce* the law. just saying racism is bad doesn't mean its gonna stop. That's like being a well known anti-gun advocate to a community and still carrying anyway because you know the laws are fucked. You know what you want is a failed premise from the gate, but maybe that's the point. You're taunting these people to victimize you so you have something to cry about. Jones getting her stuff hacked and making public statements that don't mesh with the actual fandom just shows she was in for the clout. Why a book? "Wah wah, bad things happened to me, _buy my book!"_ It was all for the money. The whole movie was to force people to rewrite our memories and take trite ideological shit as entertainment all while shoveling praise and money onto it. These people wanted to be hailed as saviors and have their name be placed in glory all while doing no fucking real work. Boy, I could only imagine how pissed Paul and Leslie were when no one cared and were actively refusing to bend the knee. You may got a book deal, Jones, but it'll be the last. They may have given you an advance on the book deal, but it'll be the only money you get for your bullshit. Those books will make great kindling in my stove when winter comes around, and believe me, I'll get them for free in the dumpster behind Walmart.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Yeah. Ballooning the budget to reshoot scenes to own the haters? Can you see the problem Feig? That lines up to Dans comment of Paul not listening to advice of shooting important scenes on that tv interview.

[@MeOutside]

Leslie Jones looks like the unpleasant person ringing me out at Dollar General.

[@jokester9697]

its funny that she complains that "ghost busters after life" completely ignored her 2015 ghost busters but 216 completely ignored the original ghost busters movie

[@protogenxl]

Winston was also the audience surrogate

[@GIBBO4182]

Yep, the “average Joe”, the MOST relatable character for most of us

[@24framedavinci39]

Ernie Hudson was also something Leslie Jones isn't: a good actor.

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

Winston represented the whole audience and the average working man is the most relatable character archetype in cinema.

[@RallasterAsuremen]

He was also level-headed and grounded, unlike the Boy-scout Occultist. Mad Scientist, and Con Man. Winston is the voice of Common Sense of the group, combined with his 'Everyman' status he showed that anyone could be a Ghostbuster no matter how wierd or normal they were. ...as long as the checks dont bounce!👺

[@TonyJemini]

13:30 where can i find that Ghostbusters theme song remix

[@FizzFop1]

It's a horrible movie. Paul Feig and McCarthy probably took the worst of fan hate...not Jones. They antagonized fans online. None of them could keep their mouth shut and walk away...and while we're at it...Let's talk about the misandry around Ghostbusters 2016...the dumb blonde has been a dead stereotype since WKRP in the 70s...but they went there with the lead male character. Not to mention, the other misandrist imagery and anti-male stereotypes that appear in the film. It's a very ugly bigoted film. It deserves to be on the ash pile of film history.

[@NatYourAverageNerd]

The one good thing to come out of this film is that Sony was smart enough to step over it and go, "Alright, we screwed up with that one." Disney and the rest of Hollywood could learn something from that.

[@elmarakovideo]

Paul Feig & Katie Dippold seemed to never watch The Real Ghostbusters or Extreme GB. Janine had her own jumpsuit and Kylie was an interesting female buster. 2016 had ugly costumes whereas they should have used pastel colors just like RGB.

[@nobillismccaw7450]

All I am hearing is “I’m the victim. I’m the victim. I’m the victim.” Gaslighting, all of it (imo).

[@eddyd8814]

That dance scene is in the version of the movie I watched... has she not seen the final release version?

[@sparkychan123]

the way I understood it (because I FORCED myself to watch that piece of garbage film) was it was an alternate universe retelling. The original crew weren't even playing their original characters, while the new film was a continuation of the 80s films, having the main cast be Egon's grandkids. No way could the 2016 one be associated to it, that would have ruined a good film making it any other way.

[@AlexanderFort]

She saw $$ when she signed onto this project. They were planning a whole bunch of sequels and who knows what else. She’s salty all the sequels were cancelled and she lost out on all that money.

[@ikillomega]

The crap about Jones getting doxed and 'harassed' is all overblown to make her a victim. Jones had been saying racist crap on her comedy (if you want to call it that) and her social media accounts years before 2016, so that's BS. They were calling ANY criticism of her bad acting (and it was BAAAAAD), and any clap backs to her hot takes "harassment", so that can be anything. As far as doxing goes, I want receipts besides some MSM article or Jones herself saying it happened because I've been calling BS on that shit for years. Truth is, they made a trash movie that a vast majority of people (especially fans of the original) hated, they wanted to blame someone for the mess, so they blamed the fans because it was an easy scapegoat and they could tie "current year" crap to it. Leslie Jones is picking at scabs now because 7 years later she's languishing in the realization of her irrelevance and is desperately trying to guilt people into liking her.

[@marcoesquandolez4737]

Awesome video Jeff and crew! WCBS is BACK!!!!! (They never went away but Jeff is out of LA and it shows)

[@JohnWill86]

The card must need laminating because it gets so much use nowadays

[@KardboardKenny]

the real GB 3 is the video game. Jones is a "woman"? press X to doubt.

[@ComicFan98]

@druidofscosglen2868 awesome idea

[@rnettles6241]

Let's just truthfully say that there are some that pull it off amazingly well like Margot, and then there are the transgenically challenged, like Leslie and Michelle O.

[@ComicFan98]

@@rnettles6241 lol

[@KardboardKenny]

@@rnettles6241 Big Mike

[@cariganpintalba9498]

Critical Drinker did a scene comparison between the original and the 2016 version. His review points out the differences in the quality of the writing and performance. There’s just no contest.

[@ChapMeifan]

To make a Ghostbusters film you need to at least reference the original team. Spengler, Stantz, Venkman and Zeddemore ARE the Ghostbusters and Afterlife was a beautiful tribute to Harold Ramis as well as Egon's character and the sacrifice he made. At it's core, Ghostbusters is about heart and friendship. The Paul Feig movie was about lousy jokes, McCarthy chewing up the scenery and emasculating Chris Hemsworth for some cheap laughs. None of it worked.

[@tljscrewjob6397]

While 2016 did ingnore the original two movies, I think what Afterlife did was more symbolic then anything since it was the first time, that I’ve seen, a big Hollywood studio say ‘we screwed up’.

[@todayisanewday7]

Never thought before 2016 that ghostbusters suck.

[@foxw00d]

9:46 Barbie is a female-centric fanbase. their fanbase is fine with Social discourse but ignores problems in it. The only problem I think is the toy line which is the brats toy line issue.

[@GIBBO4182]

The newest Ghostbusters is actually pretty decent!

[@joshuarichardson6529]

It's almost like a movie with good writing makes a movie better, while bad writing makes it worse.

[@GIBBO4182]

@@joshuarichardson6529 you’d think Hollywood would get this simple concept…but no!!

[@Matt-416]

You hit it on the head. Excellent "KZbinr side note". What is she talking about?! Winston was the "everyone" in Ghostbusters. The person who simply got a job and was like... WTF?! Same reaction I had when I became a roofer, and unbeknownst to me, part of the job is carrying entire bundles of shingles up a ladder to a second floor roof. Again, Winston was the "everyone" with an excellent portrayal of the universal "WTF". He didn't joke about the universe he was in, he joked within it. Didn't drink the Kool aide, but he held a cup .. Leslie was horrible in the 2016 version. Despite the trash of bad directing and the flaming dumpster of plot, there were some standouts and good moments where acting persevered above the dregs of a script. But Leslie was not even close to any of that. I'm sorry and ashamed for my country that she received bigoted comments. That's just unacceptable. That, however, is not why the movie bombed. That is not why it was rejected. I saw the film, and at no point was there anyone's opinion blocking me from seeing it. It just sucked. Plain and simple. The acting was shit, the plot was shit, the character arcs were non-existent, story was dull and predictable, plot had no "hook" to keep the audience invested, and the cameos, despite the real world expense, felt cheap. Leslie, I feel for you. You willing took a paycut to be in a franchise that could literally print money and should have been a massive success. But it was garbage. As a fan of the franchise for decades, I didn't expect much... but that movie gave nothing aside from retcons, misused legacy actors, trite storytelling, deplorable action, and nothing even remotely immersive.

[@rolandmeyer3729]

Great comment. However, if you paid to see GB2016, then you didn't win. THEY DID.

[@andre59FIFTY]

She received no bigoted comments but she has dished out lots of them.

[@shawnpatrick1877]

Correct, Winston was the guy that you were supposed to identify with the most.

[@thetimk4720]

It seems like actors should get a base small pay and a small percentage of net profits. Think of it like a few based financial advisor where if the outcome is good then all profit, if it's not... Perhaps so much crap wouldn't get pushed out that way If you open your box set, you'll find a digital download for the out of universe 2016 movie.

[@jeremyrichard2722]

I will say something edgier than most things I write. It really bugs me when you have actors who sign on for works based on existing IPs and franchises who don't even bother to familiarize themselves with the source material, sometimes being encouraged not to, and then act like victims when the fans get upset, claiming "it's just a job". Especially when someone of those people are extremely vocal, and even seem proud, of their ignorance of the source material, and act outright disrespectful of the fan base. They then act offended at the backlash and when their production fails, oftentimes failing to have their brain cells fire enough to realize that the entire purpose of using an existing property is to get the attention of that fan base. If you do that, and then give them something they actively hate, including your attitude, then you cannot blame this for happening. Look at it this way, let's say some rich jerk with cancer decides to rent The Mona Lisa like in "The Glass Onion" and then hires you, a world class scat artist, to come to the island and slap globs of your shit onto it, so he can put this on the internet as he thinks it's a profound statement of some sort and wants to end his time on the mortal coil on that note. You take his money and do this. Do you really think you don't deserve backlash for defiling one of humanity's greatest and most famous artworks, simply because you were a professional, and that guy thought he was making some kind of statement by you doing it. "Oh don't hate me" you proclaim "I merely was working for a million dollars, I might have ruined perhaps the most famous painting of all time with my feces, but it was entirely professional. Blame the rich guy who hired me, I was just taking a job, and nobody should be blamed for simply working right? This was simply one of the biggest jobs a scat artist could take, so why should I say no?". This is pretty much exactly what a good number of these actors are doing. Leslie, Renee, Brie, Kelly Marie Tran etc... they all know full well what they are part of, how they are acting, and what the original work was and how those are invested in it are going to react. See in some cases perhaps the backlash is unwarranted, but understand when you have a famous property like say "Star Wars" or "Ghost Busters" it's hard to believe they are oblivious to what's going on, especially when there is backlash to the whole idea when it's announced. Ignoring "the haters" when they are the majority of the fan base is never going to go well, and when some of the people doing this seem to be getting off on it (not everyone, but some... Leslie made many bigoted and anti-fan annoucements when Ghostbusters were being made). It's one of those things where most of them basically dug their own graves, and just didn't like the results when they had to lay down in it. Leslie for example made numerous racist comments when the movie was being made and attacked the fans. Brie Larson attacked men and the core fan base. If those groups fire back and are also racist or sexist or whatever when they, or the project, drew the line there, they have no right to complain. If Leslie attacks people for being white, how can she complain when she's attacked for being black? Those who throw stones might not want to live in glass houses. As an actor if your career depends on the fans, then it's probably not a good idea to take, or stay on, a job that is getting massive backlash, yet you notice not one of these people walks away. Ghostbuster 2016 was a complete defilement of the original, and anyone who knew the fan base, or even just paid attention to what was being said, should have noticed this was not a minority of fans being upset, and doubling down on this was going to be a disaster. Nobody was racist or sexist here, they were defending a beloved IP someone was taking a dump on, and those who were taking laxitives and squatting down over it have no right to complain and say "hey we're just professionals, doing a job". Ignorance is also not an excuse, if you don't know an IP, you should damn well take the time to figure it out if your being hired to work with it, especially if the fans are upset. If you can understand the original and see the disconnect, obviously this "re-imagining" isn't working (some do, many don't) and you might just realize the payday isn't worth it. See the cost of that exposure might be not only not working again, but also having hate mobs coming after you for decades due to you having ruined something beautiful, and that's why people are hounding the actors. The idea is to discourage people from being part of projects like this and doing the same thing, if people were quiet and saying "oh well it's okay to throw shit on the Mona Lisa, that's just someone's idea on how to make it better" it would encourage this to be even worse. To be fair, I think the actors deserve even worse, because the message clearly isn't getting through as they keep taking these jobs. Rachel Zegler certainly wasn't thinking "Hmm, maybe I shouldn't take a job to defile Snow White, the life long blowback might not be worth it" because of what happened with things like Ghostbusters 2016. That means if anything, people need to ramp it up, until people simply realize they shouldn't take jobs like this.

[@arbhall7572]

Awwww. Maybe she should have got an agent that liked her enough to ask for more? Isnt that why they take a percentage? Imagine paying someone a percentage to get you the most money possible and finding out that the best they were capable of was a mere 10% of your coworkers. Ill bet Leslie heard the word "exposure". If you are an artist, this is a filthy, evil word akin to being called a baby eater. Luckily Leslie is no kind of artist and all this simply washed past her till a BLM friend came along and got her pissed about something new.

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

Wow. I can't believe Ghostbusters fans wouldn't like Leslie Jones' stellar performance as; Screaming black woman stereotype.

[@Rohrkrepierer88]

Still laughting about Leslie telling how a longer version would have been better . No Leslie , nobody wants a longer one . I would say shorter would have been better , prefferly reduced to none .

[@CatSamurai99]

In the end, money talks, and bullshit walks. Hopefully we will return to sanity and decent entertainment at long last.

[@OpEditorial]

Had no idea this particular dumpster fire was still burning 🤔

[@joshuarichardson6529]

It died a while go, Jones is just trying to reignite the fire.

[@markiangooley]

Feig is the German word for fig. That word has the vowel sound of the English word “high.” I don’t know how Paul Feig pronounces his name, but in interviews he comes across as the most smug, annoying, self-satisfied human being alive. His sense of humor is… perhaps unique and certainly entirely unlike mine, I guess, because what he finds funny and what I find funny are very different. I think that’s as far as I’ll go.

[@bigchillphil]

Now the new sequel has Patton Oswalt in it.. it’s going to be trash.

[@BUMMY105]

It almost somewhat baffles me that a Ghostbusters 2016 rant from one of the main cast of the show shoots back at the fans that made the IP a hit, only to not mention ANYTHING from the originals once. To the point that Leslie doesn't even point out that there was a black man in the original Ghostbusters team. It really is for divas by divas in Hollywood.

[@therandman85]

You say don't watch I and when the Angry Video Game Nerd said he had no plans to watch it he got kinds of hate and threats.

[@CommanderJoir]

that's odd, i want to recall she made it her problem before it came out. She was there calling "haters" names and shit. She was quick with the identity politics defense of the movie too. she made her bed and she had to lay in it.

[@remuslazar2033]

Jeff's Stealing Solo shilling is more annoying than Filoni putting Ahsoka everywhere

[@JustAnArrogantAlien]

How much harassment did Leslie ACTUALLY receive? Because I’ve seen far too many actors and actresses claiming they were targets of “racist trolling” without providing any proof for me to just take someone’s word for it. The fact that Leslie clearly doesn’t understand the controversy surrounding “the black mermaid” even further undermines her credibility.

[@LilyBannel]

Dataracer is good at saving harrasing tweets. I have seen them save JK Rowling's and Gina Carano's death threats. Maybe they archived others but those two I remember distinctly.

[@LilyBannel]

@druidofscosglen2868 Pikamee didn't deserve that toxicity.

[@JustAnArrogantAlien]

@@LilyBannel No one does. Poor Pikamee did nothing wrong.

[@biostemm]

So let me see if I understand this correctly; it's OK for the all female ghostbusters to ignore the first 2, but not for afterlife to ignore that one? Seems legit...

[@TheHouseOfWaffles]

One major consequence of this film is that it ushered in a massive wave of silencing criticism. ALL criticism directed at this poorly made film was labeled as misogyny, racism, or trolls. Not one single comment of criticism could _possibly_ be legitimate in the minds of the film makers. In response, the Internet Movie Database shut down its forums. Sure, you can still write reviews, but that's a non-interactive one-shot. The IMDb is no longer a common ground for _discussion_ and _conversation._ The _internationally most common_ ground for people letting their voices be heard on the topic of movies and television was effectively shut down. Other review platforms soon followed suit, like Amazon where you can't comment on reviews anymore.

[@danielhance1467]

I was very surprised that chris hemworth was the best part of this movie

[@487shawntower4]

I found you guys on Runble you should mention it more often, looking forward to your channel growing there subbed!

[@pete8492]

This is where woke Hollywood really started.

[@registereduser]

Didn’t the GB 2016 director throw a hissy fit, and in the end the box set had a code for a digital download of GB 2016?

[@Ixorpehc]

Jones rightfully complains about a minority of trolls who are genuinely racist and misogynist bigots, and then wrongfully uses them as the main reason for the film's failure. Many classics are not meant to be remade, because the comedy and lore of the story was only compatible with the character, humor and imagination of the original creators. Adopting a classic for someone else's "modern" world view simply will not work. That is the failure that Jones refuses to understand.

[@2ToyBoys]

Never saw GB16. I watched all the vids covering it though...thats close enough.

[@socaltrojan286]

I never saw the movie, I had no desire to. From what I have heard from reviews online and from friends how have seen it, said it felt like a parody of Ghostbusters. 2016 was neither the sequel fans wanted nor did it feel like a true reboot. It was a mockery of a beloved franchise and fans did not want this movie.

[@jamiecollins7915]

the power of being forgotten compells you. For maximum effect screech it in Leslie's voice as you write a self pitying memoir like what Leslie just did.

[@the1magageneral323]

Ghostbusters 2016 was for Feminists catladies women who are miserable and don't understand the lore of what makes a franchise work and unique.

[@priceright8963]

This movie started my suspicions of Rotten Tomatoes having paid shills review movies. How else would Leslie Jones advance in show biz?

[@Speculativedude]

As far as Jones forgetting that there was a black main character in Ghostbusters, in way that is how Ernie Hudson had played that character. He wasn't the black guy that was trying to get a job, he was just a normal guy looking for a job, that happened to be black. And unlike Jones, he didn't come across as a stereotype or caricature of what people think a black person is like. Whereas Jones looked like a goofy caricature of a loud obnoxious back woman. Now I know that was the writing and what they wanted from her performance, but it certainly did not make her look like an "every person" type of character like Hudson's Winston did.

[@douglasarthur2673]

I had a better time getting a tooth pulled than having to suffer through this 2016 atrocity.

[@MaximusRacellius]

Everybody needs to watch the 7-year-old video Marshmallow Man reacts to Ghostbusters..... I stand by the comment that that video is better than the actual movie itself

[@markmedinabattletrix781]

At least she had a job, a fairly decent one, too! Winston was most likely unemployed at the time he walked into the firehouse.