The Real Moe Norman Golf Swing - if he can do it you can too.

[@Dreweldeenknives]

I was absolutely hammering straight drives with a single plane set up , tilt , 12 inch behind ball inside takeaway with a short backswing yesterday (7hcp) but I even was hitting it straight and hard into the wind with short takeaway tilt etc

[@brentireland9866]

After thinking about what Moe first told me 38 years ago here in Canada, you are the teacher who has the clarified what I've been wondering about for 4 decades. Great job Todd!

[@ericnewmark4654]

Brillient, I have been playing 65 years and its far easier to start out in the position you want to be at impact than try to get there while swinging. Eric N

[@johnathanwetherill456]

After all these years I still love your passion for all things Moe .

[@Kryton619]

I met Moe Norman at the Deer Creek driving range in Ajax, Ontario. He was by himself, and no one at the range recognized him. I stood and talked with him for an hour while hit balls. A very memorable evening for me.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Nice memory.

[@oofoof6762]

That’s my range lol

[@Kryton619]

@@oofoof6762 mine as well 😄

[@anhboa2]

@@ToddGravesGolf i started too late to know and meet him, what a shame. But wondering how far he'd hit with a driver ?

[@dalerhart5120]

When I left High School (1971) I was a mediocre golfer with the conventional golf setup they taught. I started changing to a single plane swing and improved a lot. In the late 80's I started working at a golf course and the pro changed me back to the conventional setup and swing. WOW what a disaster for a while, eventually I went back to the single plane swing with better success. After a few accidents and being unable to play, I just started again this year after 10 of not being able to play, I find myself going back to the conventional setup and swing, disastrous. Thank you for these videos they are helping me get back on track.

[@harryartinian7982]

Todd Graves is the real deal - his passion for teaching Moe’s Swing is tremendous. He, his brother Tim and the entire group at GGA are exceptional at supporting my journey to learning the SP System - high quality products and terrific instruction. The Golf School was superb and I’m hitting the ball so much better. There is no instant pudding - you have to put in the ‘practice with a purpose’ but it works! Thanks, Todd!

[@jeffrohman6514]

You had my attention the minute I saw your bag and the OU head over. You instructions were clear and precise and makes prefect sense. I am left handed, playing right handed. I struggle with alignment to the point of pure frustration, but I love this game so much I will never give it up. To further that statement, I was invited all comp to go to two different Pro tournaments and I told both people, if I had time to watch, I had time to play. I am now 73 and still have the same philosophy. Good luck and keep showing those guys the right swing. Served 65-68 US ARMY 82 ABN / VM 1968

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Go Sooners! Let me know if I can help with anything. Thank you for your service.

[@MikeHIMH]

I'm curious... why mention your army service? Does it have anything to do with golf, or is it fishing for a "thank you for your service"? (I'm from Australia, we don't do that here)

[@GEAyres]

I can recall purchasing a four day pass to watch the Canadian Open being played in Hamilton, Ontario, years ago. On my way to round one, I heard that there was a free clinic at a driving range about 2miles from the site of the open, being given by Moe Norman. I decided to stop and watch him hit golf balls. I cannot tell you who won the tourney, or if I even saw any golf at the Open, but I can tell you that for four days I saw Moe Norman hitting golf balls. It was so strange that every so often, the Open would call the driving range to remind the pros that they had to leave the driving range to tee off at the Open. They were as enthralled with him as I was.

[@jamesgander7337]

I want thank you Todd for sps it save my golf game. 40 years of conventional swing and was ready to give up golf, but love golf so much. Keep up the wonderful work your team are doing for golfers

[@johnnyhornbeck28]

Todd, you probably don’t get enough credit, so let me please say I honestly think you are a genius. If more people were aware of you and your teaching based on Moe, the game would have a lot more players. There is no doubt that the single plane swing is the most efficient way to strike a ball and the most repeatable. Thank you for your passion. Please, please, please keep it up!!!

[@alancarlyon3928]

Don't be so hard on yourself Todd, Moe said in one of his film interviews that no one could ever swing like him, he was self taught and that he is a one off, in which he was! I envy you in you being allowed inside Moe's circle and looking at most of the videos of Moe - you are with him! I am sure Moe himself made mistakes when he first went about his swing, would he admit that? We will never know, but one thing he did get wrong was someone was able to copy his swing and that was YOU! Thank you ever so much Todd for keeping Moe's name and golf swing alive to this day and forevermore! What we need now is a pro to win the masters with the use of Moe's swing, wouldn't that be an honor in highlighting Moe's presence here on earth

[@richalbee6360]

I have been practicing Moe’s swing the past two weeks. Played a round today and was striking the ball great with all clubs. Thanks for sharing this great swing!

[@quentinray8673]

Any more updates on your swing having played 2 more months sense this comment? Thanks

[@richalbee6360]

Yep, most consistent and ball striking, very pleased with my new swing, thanks!!

[@stratovani1178]

Golf is all about one thing, and one thing only - consistency. I started the SPS last year, and my consistency shot through the roof! I restricted myself to just my tee shots, and my shots were not necessarily long, but nice and straight with a little fade at the end. This year I will incorporate the SPS to my iron shots, and hopefully the same consistence that I have with my tee shots will be in my approach shots. I'm very pleased with the results I'm getting with the SPS, and I look forward to continuing my single plane journey.

[@koablack]

The is the first time I’ve had someone explain the setup positions and why they are creating a single plain swing. Nicely done. I went out and hit 250 balls mostly paying attention to the hand shaft relationship at setup. And had a great ball striking session. Not sure I’d copy all his positions but that hand shaft relationship was a good start.

[@SpartanPridePod]

Your summation of why Moe Norman's swing worked as well as it did appears to be spot on.

[@Pingman123]

Todd, I live in Utah bs is "memoryswing.com" and if I would have had your new explanation of Moe's swing 20 years ago I would have been so much better player/teacher. I just couldn't translate Moe's version years ago with the VCR tapes. How you "simply" explain it now, has made me a more consistent player/teacher and shoot my lowest scores ever in the low 70's and I am 57 years old. Thanks to you I enjoy the game more now than when I was in my 20's and set a Guinness World Record. Even my miss hits still have me putting for birdies. Thank you so much for a new love of the game in only a couple of months of "completely" changing to a one plane swing :)

[@Will-nb8qk]

I had the same experience. When I started using it I didn’t quite perfect it and everyone would comment that I’m standing too far away from the ball. I never in my wildest dreams thought I could break 80. Wallah! For some strange reason just to vary up my game I would go back to conventional style 🤷‍♂️ At the end of the day, the goal is to get the ball in the hole with the least amount of strokes!

[@BigD1957]

Excellent explanation. It amazes me that many are more concerned how they perceive the swing looks than they are the results of the swing.

[@nicksellens272]

I'm an 18 handicapper with the ability to hit it long off the tee, but with no consistency. Right, left, you name it. It ruins my game. With this mind, I spend some time studying Todd's videos and today I tried it out. I went straight into a practice round with no range time and probably did five single plan swings off the tee. Each time they got better and straighter and I ultimately hit my last one really pure and dead straight. Followed it up with a nice, flush 3 wood. It felt really good off the club - a different sensation from other good shots I played. For me, it was important to give myself some forward momentum through the ball. I love the fact that this is a formula. Can't wait to get out there and try it again. Thanks Todd!

[@treymclaughlin2804]

3 years later do you still do the single plane swing?

[@nicksellens272]

@@treymclaughlin2804 No, I've tried to perfect the Hogan swing..watching and trying to copy how the tour pros do it. Too many variables in that though. Reckon Moe's simplified approach makes more sense now looking back.

[@treymclaughlin2804]

@@nicksellens272 yeah it seems theirs no one size fits all in golf you really have to find what works for you just how moe did.

[@Chris-zn1qg]

Even Ben Hogan said in his book, that you have to understand that the club is the extension of your arms. Eventhough his swing was more like the "PGA tought swing", he got it right. When you truly realize that the club is the extension of your arms, there is no oher way to hold the club like Moe Norman did. Just figured this out several weeks ago after struggling for almost 10 years.

[@findmelightsdotcom9280]

To be able to copy a swing that is bio mechanically perfect and produces consistent results is remarkable. To invent that swing is genius!

[@zebman9228]

I thought Moe emphasized the business zone of the swing. The only thing that really matters is the 2 -3 feet before contact and after contact. That is why not everyone uses the Moe swing. Other people find it easier to get high velocity and in the correct slot in a different manner. Todd is saying there is only one "easiest way". He may be correct, not sure.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

There are many ways to get a job done (speed and impact) but biophysically, there are also easier ways. This is what I am referencing. Less body movement, Less stress, less shaft lift, Less rotation to get the same job done. Consistency is a factor too.

[@philipdearing584]

Very interesting and thought provoking video. I have always struggled with the two part swing. Angles, timing, positions, on and on. Always up for trying something new and this is logical and makes sense. Moe’s legacy is alive and well. Thanks for sharing.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Glad it was helpful!

[@alexedeigba]

Started first with Moe's grip, and have seen a lot change in my game. Will try the stance too.

[@ronaldfarrigan9125]

Dds

[@edherwick6995]

Very nice video...to a bunch of us Moe was an enigma.....but a true lover of golf. I have GREAT luck with this swing when I use almost exclusively my left (lead) hand and arm. Really a documented, tested swing system well worth the time and effort.

[@natgolfpro1]

He hit 1000's of balls getting his swing to where he wanted then perfected his moves through a lot of trial and error. He didn't have a model to look at. What's being done by Todd is he's giving you the model without all the trials and tribulations that Moe went through. Moe basically re-invented the wheel to this way of swinging the club. Why tinker when most or I'd say a majority of golfers tinkering with their swing have no idea what exactly they're doing? It's like anything out in the real world, if it works consistently and is efficient then why try to re-invent the process? Is this swing for everyone? YES!! If you're willing to have an open mind and do the drills and compare yourself to the model.

[@Briangolfs]

Great stuff Todd! You’ve inspired me to study the single plane swing. I bought your book today and plan on learning this over the Winter.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Hi Brian. Let me know if you need help. We have a great online academy. Email me at [e-mail] if you need some help.

[@biagiocozza8875]

Awesome video, Mr Norman was a fantastic ball striker, great to see someone teaching his legacy

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Thank you!

[@mikeg.5233]

This is the one method that gets satisfying results. I attended a graves academy about 8 years ago. 👍👍👍

[@jryer1]

@Todd - Excellent video. It's not easy convincing people what Moe said doesn't always translate into obvious and usable knowledge, and doing that without people thinking you're disrespecting Moe is no small endeavor. I commend you and appreciate all the hard work. I'm enjoying the journey learning the single plane swing. Range time with the camera has been a real eye opener. Really enjoyed you and Reed Howard on Christo's channel a while back. You were absolutely nailing it dead straight!

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Christo is great. It was fund spending the afternoon with him.

[@bradleystereoguitaramplifi9616]

All that time that Mo was hitting golf balls he was figuring out one thing... He felt the best and most simple and efficient physical positions of the body to strike a golf ball perfectly. The two plane swing is practically impossible. Definitely not as repeatable as the Moe Norman swing. That's because most swing takes out all of those impossible variables. He knew the best way to strike the golf ball because he could feel it due to his physical positions. His results speak for themselves. Long and straight down the middle of the Fairway. Miss you Mr Norman!

[@SirGolfalot-]

After watching hours of video. I had one of my best golf seasons trying to copy Moe's swing. Brought my 18 hole score down almost 15 strokes, 80 - 83. Then I paid for professional PGA golf lessons. I was shown on screen a current PGA pro golfer Adam Scott. I was then told that is how the game of golf is played. I figured the PGA pro knows better than me. So I practiced and went in for lessons and tweaks. Today I am a carnival attraction as the one and only human pretzel man. Coming to your town this fall.

[@Will-nb8qk]

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[@broncosfan-dk1uj]

🤔

[@gregdali1011]

I am self taught and was hitting driver pretty well before I started to learn two plane swing and couldn’t figure it out what was wrong , just terrible inconsistent shoots, until I found your videos and realized have to go back to what I did before simple single plane swinging

[@danielperz6620]

Great video Todd. I just became a gold member and I love all the content. You and your staff do a great job of really simplifying the golf swing. It may look unconventional but once you start hitting pure shots with this swing there it's no going back.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Great to have you as an SPA member! It looked unconventional to me but now all "conventional" swings look unconventional.

[@jaycobb3204]

@@ToddGravesGolf I was ready to quit golf 6 months ago. Luckily I found your videos and have renewed my interest. I have heard of this a few years ago, I believe it was called Natural Golf, but it wasn't presented as well as you are doing. I have ordered your system and I believe it will get me back on track. Thank you for your help

[@Mucologist]

Just what the doctor ordered. I have been using MY OWN version of your method for years and for some time it worked well. I was able to pull it off with my variations (which I have been adding to as things have gone south.) For example, I have never had an explanation of why Moe kept his clubhead behind the ball so, I didn't do it. (Now I completely understand why.) Lately, however, my swing has fallen apart because I have been tinkering with it and not following the method precisely. This is just the advice I needed at exactly the right time. Before I discovered this video today I had in desperation pulled out my copy of The Single Plain Solution DVD and am starting from scratch doing everything by the numbers including the PVC drill and everything you have recommended. It took some courage for you to stand up in this video and I respect that a great deal. Thanks,

[@TeddyCavachon]

Looking at Moe’s swing from the standpoint of the F = 1/2(Mass x Velocity^2) striking force how it different from convention was setting up at address with maxed out ulnar deviation in both wrists, getting maxed out radial deviation in the downswing then releasing it fully back to maxed out ulnar deviation again which whips the club head mass around the dropped hands in a way that exponentially increases striking force and ball compression. He gripped the club in a way that it allowed the wrists to hinge into radial deviation (lag) but only release the lag back to the way he aligned face square to where he wanted the ball to release off the face to target. His grip abruptly stopped the whipping action of the club just long enough to trigger the explosive release of the compressed ball off the face-why his shots sounded distinctly different than those with the conventional sweeping lagging swing-with it difficult to see because it happens so fast and raising the back foot keeps the body and club head moving . Two other golfers whose swing I studied used a similar technique to release the ball off face straight to target: Harry Frankenberg (Count Yogi) and Ben Hogan.

[@normsvendsen7985]

I didn't pick up golf until I was 48 or 49. I played sports my whole life but never learned golf. Now that I'm 56 and not as strong and flexible as I used to be, this swing simplifies movement. I took lessons at Golf Tec last year. I didn't go to my last 3 lessons. I couldn't do what the teacher was asking me to do. Hopefully this will help.

[@marlonborja3549]

Wow! This is a life-saver. I'm a beginner and just took my first 4-weekends of lessons but have been so frustrated with the inconsistencies that Todd Graves describes at his website, that I was at the point of giving up. While looking for golf instruction, I ran into the Single Plan Solution. Took and followed the Moe Norman swing (indoors) for a test. Took 7 swings and have yet to miss and had a natural feel or source of power built into it; I cannot wait to try this next time I'm on the driving range. Why is this "common sense" swing not the norm?

[@SubtleHustle72]

Thanks Todd! I’m discovering this a little bit late but it’s very exciting nonetheless!

[@alancarlyon340]

Oh yeah I like what you say Todd and am finding the key's in the puzzle and improving each day, but it is so frustrating when one thinks he has found the swing of Moe's, then reality hits hard and one has to go back to the start, but watching your video's and finding new bits of the puzzle keeps me looking forward to my next game! I can't thank you enough Todd as with this swing my back pain has gone and am starting to fall back in love with golf!

[@jargonaut8956]

Graves has helped me simplify my swing and improved my accuracy. I still have my off days, but not anguishing through weeks of bad play like before. It’s weird, I’m hitting longer with a shorter back swing. The perfect strikes feel like nothing......

[@cz1mmt]

Very nicely explained. I have watched many Moe Norman demonstrations and explaining the two stage PGA swing along side Moe's style really brings it all together.

[@tomnowlin7396]

Genius! Moe and you both!😃

[@papahajek5383]

I've hit quite a few shots since committing to this style you teach. There seems to be a sweet spot where it feels right and gives great results. My idea is to get to the point where I get that feeling and those results more often.

[@lawrencemachabee2637]

Still lots to learn but I am finally enjoying the game! Thank you for showing this remarkable approach to ball striking.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@blackceeser]

great video. i tried the Moe Norman's swing and have noticed more of my Drives going straighter then usual. i planning to master it. Thanks Moe...

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Great!

[@michaelspielzinger2850]

DeChambeau and Steve Stricker are two well known PGA pros with single plane swings; however, neither of those fit the Moe Norman model. Except for the bend in her knees, long drive champ Sandra Carlborg's single plane setup looks the closest to Moe's. And just like Sandra, Moe could hit it over 300 yards. Besides giving you the best shot at becoming a good, consistent, ball striker, the other major advantage of Moe's swing, which Todd surprisingly doesn't even mention, is superior ergonomics. Unlike so many pros with conventional swings (including some of the young guys), Moe never had an issue with his back or knees. No surgeries. Swing correctly and you should be able to play as long as you like without ever hurting yourself. (If you are seriously interested in getting it right, become a Gold member and send in videos.)

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Good Points.

[@John_Wood_]

This makes so much sense and so simple. Great work Todd

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Thanks.

[@jdhardy10]

These videos are great. I like that you use the word "biomechanics" because if you use the physics and eliminate the most possibilities for error, it's clear that you'll improve your rate of contact. There is no other choice.

[@stephenmills7061]

Thanks for the reply . Wow that was fast. I am a Pro in Scotland.I shot 58 once in a tournament short course though due to my short game being so good and 59 in a bounce game . .Always been a great putter and good driver of the ball but not long enough for the tour and lacked confidence. But I totally understand the model of the one plane swing it just makes sense . Repeating good habits producing flush and square contact on the ball. I wish I knew this stuff and applied it when I was a kid . But I'm enjoying learning and applying your thoughts and drills . Thanks for everything you are doing . I have purchased a few aids from you and received them very quickly so thanks again.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Thanks for the note. I think one thing that helped me was that I love the process of building a swing. I realized that score is an outcome and that the process of playing was the fun part. Where are you in Scotland. I'm looking to plan an event there next year. Thanks.

[@stephenmills7061]

Hi , I'm in Edinburgh . An event would be great. Golf really needs a boast here .

[@stephenmills7061]

Boost sorry ...

[@ZDUTCH1]

I just commented on an earlier video of learning about 'Natural Golf' back in the 90"s. I hear the emotion and passion you have here.

[@Obwoodlandj]

What does the term "natural golf" mean and why isn't it natural now?

[@davekempema8437]

A brief story: I've subscribed to Golf Digest almost 40 years now. I first heard about Moe from a Golf Channel infomercial on Natural Golf. They said Moe was the straightest ball stryker ever. I never heard of this guy who I thought was just an old has been from the past. In Dec. of that year ,1995 , GD. did a lengthy feature artical about Moe . I never read the artical and threw the issue away once I was done with it. Big mistake. Wish so much I still had that issue now for keep sake. If I knew then what I know now I would have driven up to Kitchener Ontario from Mich. to Rockway Golf club just to watch him hit balls on the range.

[@mzrb1]

Great from the heart video Todd. Moe figured out something else... but he NEVER talked about it. Nor did you, regarding impact. And that remains the biggest secret of success. Would love to talk more about it.

[@gzman1]

do tell

[@iannonhebel677]

I just set up and turn from the bottom with rear leg planted into the ground and continue doing this till I can't go any further - nothing to do other than correct grip and set up / keeping the tilt at 15% all the way through till you have hit the ball then through and back up. All from the bottom using your legs - a body turn both ways!!! Moe always has said I never change my hand position nor do I the body does everything the rest is automatic. Is easy. The short game is the same taking the club up for different heights. Moe played by heights.

[@justinchapman4010]

Your trying to take timing out of it, n just using pure Bio mechanics on a single lever/ single plain swing👍👍👍. I wish you lived in Perth Western Australia. No instructors like you here😭😭😭. I want to learn hybrid swing Mo Norman and is it forgive me I forgot the name. Jimmy Seventos🤔🤔🤔🙏🙏🙏. Looks like perfect swing for me and I can tell by looking it would feel more natural compared to conventional swing techniques. I have a fused wrist on my right hand my dominant hand. So I must learn single plain swing any way👍👍👍. But now I’m gonna fully extend arms to take any movement in or out from body and get that robot arm going 🤔🤔🤔😭😭😭👍👍👍. Cheers M8

[@bruceparrett3841]

Todd I joined the academy a year ago and after trying, i abandoned this summer. After studying your videos for a second time and having inconsistent results going back to conventional, I literally had an epiphany and everything clicked and made sense. I’m still a work in progress but this swing has totally transformed my game and outlook. My drives and iron shots are flying long and straight when struck well. I was wondering when the next golf school is going to be held and do you recommend any personal launch monitor over another? I’m looking into a garmin r10

[@t.k.morris]

Totally awesome video. Thank you!

[@joellelafond]

Great explanation for someone new to the game! Much appreciated .Thanks!

[@ToddGravesGolf]

You're welcome.

[@carlosalvarez2488]

Great Video clip! Forgive me for the intrusion, I am interested in your opinion. Have you ever tried - Paneevelyn Swinging Clubsman (Sure I saw it on Google)? It is a good one off guide for revealing an effortless golf swing technique without the normal expense. Ive heard some super things about it and my m8 after a lifetime of fighting got amazing success with it.

[@dronespace]

Great video

[@mikebruns1966]

I purchased your tapes and book on mos swing. I try and get in those positions and begin to wonder if its the correct position and i find myself going back the old way. I think it is mostly looking for a quick fix. I have tried changing my swing from information overload on the web and i am hitting the ball worse than ever. I may just have to come to one of your classes in oklahoma.

[@knkklassy]

Just stumbled across your video looking At Bryson’s swing....great video and content. Compelling presentation

[@jakegaming818]

Good take on a master who perfected his swing... like all greats. Saying one is easier then the other- I can buy into that.. calling the other “terrible” is just silly though.

[@billyphelan7649]

Hi Todd, I Love your video I am using the SPW I am driving the ball down the right side of the fairway and hitting the ball high

[@yardsaleuw3075]

I think what your getting at is what he Felt, Feel and Real are not the same, what it feels like is not what it looks like on camera. You have to FEEL the golf swing, Moe said it best when he said "He feels like his club is still square 22" past the ball" we know that is just a feeling and he makes numerous comments like this. We have to try and feel what Moe was thinking in his mind, that's the Secret to understanding someone elses swing.

[@thomasfraser9072]

I believe in one of Moe's last videos he discovered for himself that all I really needed to think about was to simply swing the club with his hands and arms and the rest of his body followed in a natural sequence. 100 percent agree with what you are saying. I now stretch my arms more in front of me to check on my grip. If the club head toe is pointing to the sky and does not role as I am stretching my hands and arms in front of me; I am ready to simply place the club head squarely to the ball as I bend first from my hips then my knees. I then simply swing the club with my hands and arms. Repeatedly doing the above simple steps; my impact to the ball has become more consistent then ever. Do I look like Moe when I swing? No. Nevertheless at 72 I am very happy with the results. Cheers

[@joellelafond]

Todd I am also looking for a saying I was given at a practice range when i hit a ball and felt really good about it... I had goose bumps and the sales person or rep recited something like: this feeling of Greatness is no stranger to me.... I started crying and was fool of mixed up emotions when he finished reciting it.... do you know what it is ? He said it was from Moe!

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Was it this poem?: What is Happiness? Golf is happiness, for happiness is achievement. The father is motivation. The mother is encouragement. The fine golf swing is truly achievement. Man may lie, steal and cheat for gain, but that will never gain a golf swing. To gain a golf swing, man must work. Yet it is work without toil. It is exercise without the boredom. It is intoxication without the hangover. It is stimulation without the pills. It is failure, yet its success shines even more brightly. It is frustration, yet it nourishes patience. It irritates, yet its soothing is far greater. It is futility, yet it nurtures hope. It is defeating, yet it generates courage. It is humbling, yet it ennobles the human spirit. It is dignity, yet it rejects arrogance. Its price is high, yet its rewards are richer. Someday it is a boy’s pastime, yet it builds men. It is a buffer for the stresses of today’s living. It cleans the mind and rejuvenates the body. It is these things and many more for those of us who know it and love it. Golf is truly happiness.

[@dano5378]

I believe you are right,but 30 years swinging one way is very hard to change,it’s starting to happen more good shots than bad at this time

[@michaeleyer8973]

Thanks again Todd....hitting fairways sure is fun :-)

[@alancarlyon3928]

Todd I have (I think) watched all your video's and I have practiced the day after but the results always differed, till I got the grip and the proper distance of the club at address and off course the flexed left knee on the follow through, now I can imagine how you feel because it feels great watching ball/s in flight and going where am aiming! Many thanks Todd! You said in a couple of your video's that you would like to be in Moe's body just that one time to feel what Moe feels ! Tell me and the others out here Todd in what you feel now that you have Moe's swing and tell us how you felt when Moe passed away, that must have created a big void in your life! It would be great to hear in what you feel just now after all these years and how you coup with it? Many thanks Todd!

[@benhogankho9501]

Dearest Mr Todd Graves, You are the Guru, the enlightened Guru of natural golf. You are blessed with knowledge of human mind. Love you From Australia Ben HK. Golf.

[@miichannel891]

Just wanted to thank you for the video. I learnt the golf swing the traditional way. But I noticed that I tended to hit better when I did a 6” lateral hand shift behind the ball before continuing my backswing, and then driving through the ball. I think I now understand why this works.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

You're welcome.

[@leightonyates2547]

I am seeking to learn more about the single plane golf swing, I admire the simplicity illustrated in Moe’s swing. I live in the Dallas, Tx area, are there instructors in the market whom I may learn from...

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Our headquarters for Graves Golf is in Edmond Oklahoma, about 3 hours away. Can you make a road trip for some instruction? you can contact me at [e-mail]

[@jackmehoff4165]

Good video, but a few questions left unanswered. Moe's palm grip required him to use clubs with the proper lie angles, and those lie angles were not the same for all clubs. Moe himself mentioned this, as he explained adjusting his various clubs using a vice, and couple of 2X4s. Also his clubs had thicker grips, with alot less taper than most of the grips available today. On another note, the pga put out a memo on Moe's swing, saying it was a viable swing, that should not be over looked. Problem was, no one back then knew how to teach it. Moe owned his swing. Hogan was the only other golfer to totally own his swing. Like I said, good video, but it was Moe's swing, that fit him, and probably no one else.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Jack. Nice name. Makes me discount everything you said here. Other than that, you are incorrect in almost every one of your assertions. 1) Moe's lie angles were not all the same - this is false. 2) Moe's grips were not thicker. I showed this in his video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJPXqKOojNZ3ec0. Who cares what the PGA says - seriously and whatever memo they put out about Moe should probably be ignored since they don't understand the first thing about Moe. Regarding a swing that only fit Moe - tell that to the thousands of people who have benefited from learning it. It works for many not just Moe.

[@billywray4524]

all this just make so much sense.

[@steveike1]

i love the lessons. i just think the method is destroying my knees. so i tend to lift my back foot too early. i must be doing something wrong. but i must say moes method is perfect for hitting the ball straight.

[@Macsquirty999]

I love the idea of learning this swing model because Mo was just awesome, however until I can see some other types of shots being played apart from full mid iron shots and Drivers swings I am struggling to see how I can work this swing in to my complete game. Can you please add some short game content and bunker swings etc... Thank you Todd

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Good idea. Will do. Thanks.

[@davidd1395]

Definitely going to work on this, thanks!

[@jimmason1030]

Have experimented with this swing in the past but have now fully committed to the change.Good results so far but still a work in progress. "Being good when I am bad" is certainly better. I'm sure you've answered this in other videos but what are your thoughts on Single Length Irons and shorter drivers/hybrids?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

I think that there is little advantage to it for most players. Maybe if a company can figure out a 4 length set - but so far I don’t see a major advantage / fix your swing first is always my opinion.

[@davidbarnard1409]

My honest response to this video is this . ..... find what works for you... experiment ........ work smart , have good reasons for making changes ..... notice the effect these changes have on your swing .... practice 1 swing change at a time........ and stick to it .

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Good Advice David but I have been teaching for 19 years and the "find out what works for you " advice - fills my golf schools each year. The problem with that notion is that nobody can feel what they are "really" doing and the average student only notices the effect on the ball and not their swing.

[@BigDGolf-23]

Since practicing daily, I never practice with the driver because it's my easiest club to hit straight. Now, my hardest club to hit straight is a short iron. Wild af

[@SuperMIKEFREE]

I realize how much we all loved Moe. Like all great people he had he's own style. My advice is " Find your style " it requires a lot of work, so GET TO IT.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

My advice is "Find your own Style of Moe's fundamentals" - the principles are easier so GET TO IT!. lol.

[@SuperMIKEFREE]

@@ToddGravesGolf That's the other thing I do so well lol

[@painterleebolt33]

Was at the range a week ago. Have been watching these videos, among others from the graves golf academy, but never felt physically comfortable. While watching this video I read this comment and decided to take it to the range. BAM!! Made a few adjustments within my own body to make the setup more comfortable to me and I've never hit the ball more consistently out of the middle of the club.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

@@painterleebolt33 Would love to hear what "clicked". Thanks.

[@SuperMIKEFREE]

@@painterleebolt33 Great stuff Robert. I'm a guitarist and I always play my own style. Trying to be someone else can be very tricky, I find it hard enough being me lol but I've had 4 hole in one's this year, so I'll stick to my own swing. I do like to watch other swings .

[@TouchofAlohaLMP]

It’s great to see your teaching integrity. I like your attitude. Just for an FYI, what is your thoughts on Don Trahan’s vertical swing?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Don't know much about Don Trahan. I like to verify my teaching methods with Biomechanics and data rather than "theory". I am sure there is some good things in Trahan's concepts but I would have to see the biomechanics behind it to verify.

[@jimbeaver27]

I would copy Moe's swing but it seems to already be my swing. I'm 68 so I have been swinging for awhile always with the same smooth swing. I have never tried to change my basic swing. I have shortened my backswing with age but not that much.

[@rickjoseph1710]

very interesting concept. Since you are standing farther from the ball, do the clubs need to be adjusted to a flatter lie angle?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Rick Joseph yes

[@douggriffin9348]

Todd, could you do a fairway sand trap swing video ? Thanks.

[@Will-nb8qk]

I use the moe Norman swing but every now and then wanted to go back to the conventional swing with the arms hanging below shoulders. My most consistent golf is through the Moe swing!

[@joesphreiley7757]

Moe Norman the best swing in golf.

[@jameshale7755]

I loved this and can’t wait to try it.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Trying might not work. Doing it works.

[@brianupdegraff4558]

Just watched another video you had breaking down the swing planes and how conventional golfers change them. This has been what has been driving me nuts, I've been trying for the last few years to take the club back exactly as I bring it forward, because if you're not going to bring it forward the same way you bring it back why even start with the club at the ball, why not just start at the top of the backswing like a baseball player. Is this why so many people seem to have the toe up at address, because they are changing their swing plane during their swing so that the club is actually level at contact? I always set up with it level, since I'm trying to go forward the same way I went back and get to the same place, and I wanted it level when I got the ball.

[@baggarvance7349]

Have you watched Dechambeau lately?

[@bobholmes487]

how do i get instruction/coaching from Todd? im 9.7 handicap and really feel like this swing could help me. although i dont want to undertake a swing change without a coach

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Email me [e-mail]

[@jcice131949]

I started doing this four rounds ago and I am 75 years old. I am hitting the ball further than I have in many many years. I’m hitting the ball in the middle of the fairway and everything I’m doing is working so much better than what I had been doing before. All I can say is if you’re not satisfied with your golf game try this what do you have to lose? It took me years to try this because it looks so silly and you know what even if it does I don’t care because I am playing awesome as a matter of fact, the last round I played I hit from the white tees instead of the senior tees and I still scored really well ….. So don’t believe me give it a try and see what happens

[@dimtgco1428]

You are right, right, right, right, right, right, and, this is why the tour pros lose their swing time to time. It's too complicated and too damn hard for the body to repeat. It's why so few people can do it. I wasted 45 years trying to perfect the conventional swing for nothing. Switching over I had reluctance because I didn't want to look like I had a stupid swing on the course. Now I play golf. Single plane and shock my partners.

[@joeeldred8304]

I notice that Moe's feet are further apart than yours using irons. Is this an improvement on your part to get more compression?

[@ShakerBaby9235]

"Those grassy fields of Rockway." ;-)

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Not grassy?

[@ShakerBaby9235]

@@ToddGravesGolf I think it just struck a nostalgic chord with me - I grew up a stone's throw away from Rockway, which was built in the 30s as a make-work public project so local Joe's could have a crack at the rich man's game. Gus Maue's daughter (niece?) was in my high school class. Thanks for your contributions Todd, you do a fantastic job and come across very positively. Hope to meet you in person some day. Who knows, it's a funny old world. All the best!

[@ontheroadagain4249]

How does the setup differ from Driver to Irons

[@rvhextall]

Brilliant stuff this Todd and very interesting. I've followed Shawn Clemet on KZbin for the last 2 months and I've never hit the ball as well or as easily. A lot of it is similar although it's 2 planes and he teaches setting up tilted and bracing against the left leg which is bent at impact. Also, picking your target and staying "with it" through impact as long as possible. He also keeps it very very simple and natural, like skimming a stone or cutting grass. This helps the lower body do the weight transfer without any thought. Interestingly I always feel like I want to keep my hands and arms straighter at address rather than simply hanging down. I think Shawn also says that the modern game and techniques have been very misleading.

[@flytii]

Can Moe's swing produce long distances? Drives carrying 300yds +, long irons, etc?

[@stanleygordon8441]

Mr Moe. Would be so disappointed at me trying to swing like him. But I'll get there.

[@matttracks6305]

Todd im a bad ball striker with a straight right arm at impact. No matter how hard i try, i cant get that bent right arm look at impact that most pro players have. Do you have any advice? Many thanks