The Real Reason Why Bang Chan Hates Kim Woojin

[@user-mAfuNqrSe020x]

As an old stay, been liking them since their predebut photos were release for survival show. People either forgot, dont know or ignore the fact that woojin has always been bullied by stays themselves. He is way more introverted than the other members, he is not "as good looking as others", he is the oldest, which is a lot of burden in korea. Im korean i know how much burden there is to be the oldest. I'm the oldest in my class and it was so much burden for me as others and teachers would usually relied on me. He has always felt this burden that he was dragging skz down. I bet a lot of stays didnt know that there was a petition to remove woojin from skz. There are multiple comments from stays themselves saying they wont support next comebacks as much as long as woojin is in skz. How can you handle being hated on just for existing in the group by the people that supposed to love you or support you? Idk how tf does those people thinks he's not good looking. And just because of that, they were bullying woojin. I would go insane with the fact that i have the burden, feeling that you dragged the group's popularity down, not being able to achieve your dreams and sacrificing them for others and being bullied by your own fans. Im actually glad woojin left. I thought he could finally found peace. But some stays are so fucking insane on hating him that they would destroy his life just to punish him. Wtf? Even after being proven innocent, stays making up fake rumors and highly edited video of him "bullying" the members and lying to mew stays just to justify their hate and refusing to apologize. Also, fans babied idols so much that they forget these are grown men. If you see there are stays that are lying to new stays, please fight them. Im not even a stan of woojin.

[@GUAGA0612]

People are either pretending these things never happened or they are too new to remember these. As someone who’s been to multiple fan sign sessions, I can prove that He was severely under appreciated by the fandom, and company. At one point he was forced to go on a corn only diet and developed Eating disorder.

[@tarteel268]

Pretty late to the party but I still want to know, I'm an older stay too but I wasn't associated with the fandom back then so I wasn't aware of what was going on but I recently decided to dig up on my own. Other than the SA and bullying rumours there were some rumours going around on the korean side of fandom that woojin frequented some dodgy clubs (that was low-key known for prostitution and stuff) and that the k-stays knew it ages before he left but decided to cover it up "for the sake of the group", that's the reason he was "kicked out" of jype. Do you have an idea about this? Or at least do you remember these rumours circulating among k-stays back then?

[@user-mAfuNqrSe020x]

@@tarteel268 not really. A lot of comments saying he went to dodgy clubs were also from people who participated in making petition to kick him out for "not being pretty enough/not suitable for skz's aesthetic", so those comments werent taken seriously, since they always have some sort of sentences that mocked his appearances at the time, example: "the ugly one in skz went to prostituse. Im sure of it". This is one of the comments that i still remembered because i got really angry at it. And their comments were also pretty much nonsense since a lot of them wrote it them like "oh im sure he did this or he did that because he's ugly, only ugly people do that". No clear eveidence or concrete sentences reagrding that . The petitions was done by k stays and most of the bullies were also k stays at the time. A lot of petitions to the blue house done by k idols fans were crazy and stupid, so ofc they failed and the petitions were ignored. For example, a certain idol fans got angry at an actor/comedian joking with an female idol in a a variety show(eventhough they have no problems with other female guests), so they petitioned to kick him out of the show. Since idols fans here are deemed crazy, petitions made by idol fans are often ignored, obviously because their petitions are always for ruining someone's careers. I believed those comments started after the petitions failed. Again, the same people who commented those things, also has history of mocking woojin's looks from the start of their debut, so we pretty much knew they were talking bs. Their "covering it up for skz's sake" is pretty much bs too. They wouldnt have bullied him or petitioned to kick him out if they care. Also, if they really care about skz's reps, they wouldnt have basically threatened woojin by saying they wont support skz's comebacks as long as woojin in the group.

[@tarteel268]

@@user-mAfuNqrSe020x Thank you sm this really helped me clock everything together. I feel so bad for him, even now years after he was proven innocent stays still hate on him, censor his name/face and drag him through the mud, even cancelling other stays who support/defend him. The way they swear to their mothers lives that the members hate the hell outta him and never want to be associated with him is just crazy. I'm rewatching their content before he left and he was on great terms with them until the very end, last videos being only days before he left. It really pains me seeing him thank stays and express his gratitude while they're busy demanding his removal. I've also seen tons of comments from istays saying stuff like "now at last I can call him ugly" and "I've always hated his voice anyway".. Stays need a reality check fr, I wish the members would be allowed to speak on it but it's probably impossible as long as they're under jype

[@Auntie_Ms_Attic]

@@tarteel268 I am an older Stay. Woojin was accused of terrible things, all proven wrong, we know. But, let's not forget, JYPE sees these boys as money makers. It would've cost a great deal to keep Woojin on after all of these rumors, which clearly still continue to follow both Woojin and SKZ. In one of the interviews a couple of years later when discussing Hyunjin, they say he cannot stand skinship, except with Felix. In the survival show, everyone clung to Woojin, especially Bangchan and Hyunjin. Bangchan complains now that no one shows him love (untrue but, he complains about it). After Woojin left, the Leader position became a MUCH bigger part of the public dynamic. Before he left, they all seemed to deal with each other on a more casual, even footing. I do not think Bangchan hates him. I think he needed to show a false "We're ok without him" front. Image is everything for KPop- SKZ break lots of those rules. I think this is one of the instances when they towed the company line. Maybe because they were still new and didn't want to be cancelled so soon after debut, like so many other idols have been.

[@whoiam90]

"You can choose to love or hate someone but making a fake rumours about someone just to bring them down is actually a crime" -Kim woojin I'm sorry for him it must being hard to him after woojin left.. But stay.. You ruined "That person" life... Why.. Just why?.. Your idols were success and "that person" is still in process

[@AwakeningWings]

I agree, it is a crime. I'm sorry to both of them. Those "fans" ruined both the group and Woojin's life.

[@userfatima]

despite everything woojin went through after leaving jyp, he still made a good choice for himself, idc what antis say and how much they belittle him for it

[@Iloveaespa980]

Woojin's story makes me sad as hell making up such disgusting rumours about someone just to being them down is disgusting as hell more vile then the actual crime.

[@oneusforall057]

What’s funny is that spreading false allegations is a crime in itself (falls under defamation). So, the antis that accused of something that he didn’t do essentially broke a law themselves. Granted, I know that’s at least the case in the US. Idk what Brazil and South Korea’s defamation laws look like (nor how they’re applied in international cases). Regardless, it was so awful to do that to someone just because they couldn’t accept him leaving without a more specific reason.

[@m11thebazile]

Chan was really hurt for losing all those people, but the thing is probably Woojin is the first one, or at least one of the few, who left him willingly (according to JYP's statement saying woo left for personal reasons), so I guess that is also a reason why he felt deeply hurt. Those feelings combine with all the difficulties all the members had to face left Chan with the desire to just leave all that behind and forget there was ever a 9th member. You know, sometimes we are just too hurt that we want to forget the existence of a person. Also, till this day I still think "I hate to admit" is about woo, especially because the members always seem sad for Chan whenever that song plays. Remember Felix almost crying when he reacted to the song? He also said the song ended on a positive note because the person decided to move on and forget. The meaning of that song is pretty obvious. Anyway, I really want the best for Stray Kids and Woojin :( please stop hating on them. Woojin had every right to leave to pursue his own dreams and I really don't think he was the one who decided when he was going to leave. I'm sure he never had the intention to put them in a difficult situation, he cared deeply about them too.

[@18becbec]

We can never be certain, of course, but Chan has explicitly said that I Hate to Admit isn't about a specific person. Speaking in English, he even said it's not about "him",and asked STAY not to send hate to whomever they think the song is about. He might just be trying to make things less clear, but I choose to believe him because it's unusual for him to directly address that kind of thing! Of course, when he says that you can interpret it how you want... That means that SKZ members could be reminded of the Woojin stuff when then hear it. So it's totally possible that's what Felix was thinking about. But we can't know! They all go through so much, and a song like that could make anyone tear up 😅😅😅

[@m11thebazile]

@@18becbec Ofc Chan said that. What else is he supposed to say, you know? He can't go around saying "hey, this song is about woojin", especially when stays use every little excuse to relentlessly hate on woo. Also, pretty sure he felt the need to address it because things were going out of hand. I feel like believing him entirely on this matter is like when you pretend to believe a friend when they say "I'm ok" when it's obvious they are not ok, you simply don't want to push it.

[@18becbec]

@@m11thebazile Totally a reasonable response! And however we interpret that song, so long as we're doing what he asked - not spreading hate - that's the most important thing, right? 😊

[@m11thebazile]

@@18becbec of course!! I hope all the bad energy goes away 🤧

[@AwakeningWings]

The song is sad and the melody shows it too. Felix reacts to Chan's work like that all the time. I think people should believe Chan's words because he doesn't lie about things like this. He's always telling the truth and being honest, it's very obvious even before they debuted. He's always been honest with his words.

[@l1smm309]

When I see someone hating on this man I can't help but roll my eyes at this point. It's literally been years. I am tired an fed up. Also... when are we getting a new album? T_T I've listened to Still Dream more than should be legally possible.🕺🕺🕺

[@sofiarolfranco3381]

I think that what seemed weird about woojin leaving stray kids is how suddenly it happened and how stray kids had to re-record all of levanter and redo everything for the world tour so quickly and how broken they were in those first concerts but I believe it wasn’t woojin’s fault but JYPE’s and how bad they managed it. We also forget how much their choices and actions are influenced by JYPE and that maybe all of it may have been caused by the company and why they can’t say anything about it

[@oneusforall057]

Exactly. Everyone forgets how much power the company has. Not to mention that SKZ was just finishing a tour in September and starting a new one in November. October was the perfect time for him to leave or they’d have to rearrange and re-record everything during the middle of the tour.

[@GUAGA0612]

@@oneusforall057 exactly! Though suddenly, it was the best time for him to leave or they would have to redo all the songs and merch during the tour. Also let’s not act like Woojin had a huge chunk in their songs, he had 8 seconds in double knot and doesn’t appear until 3:20 in miroh.

[@l1smm309]

00:00 Intro + disclaimers 3:18 Sidetangent 1 - Ab6ix Woojin, Let's support his solo! 4:56 The initial controversy - Lost in translation 8:09 "But I believe Bangchan" 11:56 2KIDS room 14:29 SKZ on the Daebak Show 17:54 SKZ survival show 21:33 Bangchan has it tough guys 24:57 Sidetangent 2 - Stays wasting their time being toxic 28:07 Conclusion

[@najmaulfah4941]

Im a STAY and i support woojin.. i totally disagree with some stays who keep on hating woojin and try to bring him down… no one in this world should determine someone’s life… thank you for this video it is so admirable✨👍🏻

[@Riri-gn1of]

I'm going through your videos after finding you through Taeiju's upload, and I really wanna thank you for your content! You're always so well-spoken, through and compassionate. I'm very late to this video but I'm still glad I could see your take on the whole situation, I know it's speculation but it is so well presented and I had never considered this angle before!

[@oneusforall057]

Thank you! I really appreciate the kind words and hope I can continue to deliver content worthy of such praise! ❤️

[@elainelat8067]

As a new stay, I did my research and found out about Woojin. I was floored by his talent as a vocalist and in my quest, I found Cubs (his fandom) who were willing to shed some light as to why Woojin left. First of all, I read in a Twitter thread provided by one of the Cubs. The possible reasons could be that there was an unfair amount of line distribution, fans hating on him and calling him fat and ugly (which is so cruel!), and JYP's unhealthy diet routine that affected Woojin's health. He was subjected to a corn-only diet to appease their toxic fans. And I suppose if your physical and mental health are going to suffer, why wouldn't you leave the company? Also, I don't think Bang Chan actually hated Woojin. It might be that they are not allowed to talk to former JYP employees like GOT7, despite Channie being friends with some of the members. But it can also be that Chan was seriously sad about what happened because Woojin was his unofficial co-leader. Technically, Woojin was the eldest among the Stray Kids His birthday on April and Chan's was in October of the same birth year. I remember seeing an old video where Chan volunteered to be the mom of the Stray Kids while Woojin was the dad. Poor Channie was left a single mom! But on a serious note, there could be some resentment but I don't think it borders on hate.

[@slowedmp3]

i think you saw my thread! I made one about all possible reasons left the group, from this page - youniverstarjin

[@daisygirlmochi768]

Actually Channie is the dad and Lee Know is the mum now! 🤣🙈

[@daisygirlmochi768]

@@sec.5044 I don't really know what you're talking about, but in general Chan and Lee Know are known as the mum and dad of the group coz they're both the oldest and always take care of the younger members lol 🙈

[@via45]

​@@daisygirlmochi768u do realised they meant before right 😂 use reading comprehension,they are talking about when he was in the group.

[@daisygirlmochi768]

@@via45 I have amazing reading comprehension thankyou! It's clearly you that doesn't though because I was obviously responding to the Chan now being a single dad part lmao 🤦

[@blackcat6374]

I have had pretty much the same theory for a while now. Even before the 2 Kids Room with Seungmin or the Eric Nam interview, the members, and at times even Chan himself, have mentioned a lot how Chan is not the kind of person to rely on others, but rather keep things to himself and deal with it. Based on that I reached pretty much the same conclusions that you presented here. I also have another theory that the amount of hate both Chan himself and Woojin got at the time played a roll in his now rejection of everything ot9 related. I think there is no discussion that Chan cared/stil cares a lot about his memebres, and back then when Woojin left he most likely felt a lot of guilt, considering the other members where having a tough time as well even more. Then add on top of that the wave of hate he received from haters because "He couldn't keep his group together". And then witnessing the whole mess with the accusations against Woojin. Its so easy to see why he would want to move on from everything, who would even want reminders of what lead to one of the (most likely) worse times of your life?

[@christianebretschneider5346]

bang chan got 2 nose bleeds during vlive + members reaction silverwoong 3 years old with Kim Woojin. Everyone is easygoing and joking. It came suddenly. He only had it that one time, in no other. Give me your source where else you saw that.

[@blackcat6374]

@@christianebretschneider5346 I'm sorry I might be misinformed. According to what I've read/watch in some video dissecting the situation it was someting that happened regularly to him (?) but again, I have never seen the videos myself. I will edit that part and try to look where I first saw this information.

[@christianebretschneider5346]

@@blackcat6374 Don't rely on edited videos. You have to have the direct video link like I give you. bang chan got 2 nose bleeds during vlive + members reaction silverwoong 3 years old with Kim Woojin straykids ft woojin vlive 2019 (eng sub) full kim woojin & bts I've been a real fan of Stray Kids since 2017 (Hellevator, 2018 Pre debut ) I know all of the video footage in full lengh. That's my advantage.

[@blackcat6374]

@@christianebretschneider5346 Its true relying on edited videos is a bad idea and that's on me, so I apologize.

[@v.4470]

Bang Chan got those nosebleeds after he was accused of being racist and cultural appropriation, he had platinum blond hair and was wearing cornrows That's why he was so stressed

[@blackstarafro2]

People forget that the members are forced to say specific things, if certain topics come up. The label controls everything any artists say. There are no colaberations with other groups or artists unless the label signs off on it. With almost all groups. When a member is let go. The PR statements are all the same. The members say the exact same thing. There is some things , the person is dealing with, and they are in our thoughts and heart. You never hear about them saying, that the person will be back.

[@tillie_brn]

Imagine if you quit your job and until the end of your life people were speculating on why you quit that job and going to your old coworkers just to bring you up all the time. That's just weird. Just let idols quit their jobs like anyone else, damn

[@AwakeningWings]

I agree.

[@rhapzodienpurple]

JYP is a creeper. It wouldn't surprise me if JYP wasn't responsible for the ugly rumors about Woojin.

[@lunarlino]

The fact that it's 2023 and I STILL see people hating on Woojin is so frustrating. Thank God it isn't as bad as it was in 2021. A little bit of an anecdote, but I've been a cub for 2 years now. During summer 2021, the hate against cubs got so bad that half a dozen of my mutuals attempted sewerslide because of wantis. It got better after that but there's still people out there who have nothing better to do than to tear this man down. An edit went VIRAL about a month ago of a clip taken outta context and was used to hate on Woojin (the one about "new photos" but it was a different edit from the one you showed at 10:44). It's pathetic honestly, when will these wantis get a life for crying out loud.

[@carribeanbratzguyanesequeen997]

I am glad you mentioned this even if i stop being stray kids fan during 2021 of January. Woojin went through hell and I support feel bad for him.

[@stolv3771]

This was nicely done. I would enjoy your planned video on Stray Kids and the groups' excellence.

[@valkyrieuprise5821]

I love your speculation and I agree completely and wholeheartedly…and I love that you speculated both sides of the story and brought your point of view forwards with no toxicity.

[@oneusforall057]

Thank you so much! ❤️

[@addaadda.a9483]

I feel really sad about this. I heard the real reason why woojin left jyp entertainment in the first place. Was because he felt like he was dragging the group down. To take yourself out of the picture to let someone else Thrive is one of the most humble things anyone can do. for this man to be still getting hate after leaving the group over three years ago is just ridiculous. As a stay. No tru-stay be beating a dead horse. Let the man live his life and stop sending him hate for no reason. Chan was just hurt by his decision but he still respected it when he left. He said he thought he would do better as a solo careers anyway. But because of drama and people want to see someone get dragged down. This man is always getting hate for something. And it's just sad.😔😔😔

[@teresascarlet]

not a hater but i think he made the right decision, he is better w/o in straykids. He have different vibes to skz concept. What the 8 now is perfect already.

[@G1rlstory]

It was also said that woojin believed if he didn’t leave stray kids then SKZ could never reach success. I’m not saying woojin is the reason they are popular now but woojin got so much hate from his own fans that I feel it was part of his “personal reasons” for leaving then once woojin left SKZ became popular. Fans from that time claimed if he didn’t leave then they’d stop supporting him and SKZ as a group and as the eldest member I feel this decision to leave was probably a really difficult choice knowing what promises he’d break.

[@iamacorgiwasbornin1997]

did he personally address that anywhere? I heard abt this too but there’s no clue of him saying so although I believe in him

[@zuffin1864]

i wouldn't blame anybody that felt like they had to leave a kpop company imagine the pain of working all those years, publicly struggling on a reality show, then finally debuting and touring, making new recordings and learning new dances all the time, and more, and you still felt the need that you had to leave. It would take A LOT to make somebody leave from all that they built up like that, all those years and all the potential success still in the future. stop the hate and lies please, and understand how it was painful

[@Haifa386]

As an older stay that still stan woojin as a soloist( he has a great voice and his music is good) I find it hilarious how toxic stays are forgetting that Woojin is a common name in korean. Like they can't let this man leav, I love chan because he's one of my ult biases but when he did that live where he was hinting that he was speaking about woojin was not a smart move from him because it gave stay more excuses to hate the man, but no one fault but the toxic stays.

[@oneusforall057]

I love Chan with all of my heart and he’s my biggest role model. But I think he suffers from what I call “Hannah Montana Syndrome”. When he’s in interviews, on variety shows, etc., he’s in Bang Chan Mode. He knows that he has to be professional and present himself as a member of Stray Kids and an idol within JYPE. When he’s live streaming, he becomes Christopher Bang. He’s so much more relaxed and open. And I feel that he sometimes forgets that he has more influence over his fans than he realizes. I have the utmost respect for him and his ability to be canon with everyone. But at the same time, it leaves him prone to slipping up and really letting his emotions take over and cloud his judgment. This has caused a lot of grief to Woojin and Cubs and it sucks. Especially because I seriously doubt that any of that is intentional.

[@Haifa386]

@@oneusforall057 I 100% agree you( and the Hanna Montana syndrome “ is a good way of putting, I adore Chan but I don’t think he thought stay would take that way specially because it was just as skz was blowing up with god’s menu so before that he was used to dealing with a more mature and claimer fandom but yeah this whole situation was awful and I feel bad for woojin in this whole situation, a talented man’s career got ruined even before it started. I wanted to say you make amazing video essays and I can’t wait to see your channel grow

[@jadesweetbutton]

I hope you publicly show support. The only way they stop is if they don't feel like a majority anymore. 🙏🏾

[@Haifa386]

@@jadesweetbutton I don't interact much with fandoms since 2018, I do stream his songs and recommend them to others. But I don't want to get into a fight with stay since they scare me.

[@lacymilner4781]

I don't listen to Woojin, but I don't Hate him either, woojin and stray kids they may not have the best relationship but that's there business not stays....ps I'm a stay

[@Miipmiip]

I feel lucky to have found a corner of the internet where I don’t see woojin hate. I’m a stay and not a cub, but there’s literally 0 reason to hate them. I just hate the fact that both bc and wj get hate for something so (currently) meaningless

[@StarStar-ec1dd]

Ikr, as a stay myself, I never understood all that hate. Like what's up with the fake bullying rumours? Woojin left quite possibly because he wanted to or maybe he had no choice. Either ways it's not his fault. People should leave him alone.

[@annejia5382]

kinda same for me. i am mostly in spaces without that and spaces where stays are disgusted with that kind of behavior so they actively avoid toxic stays and leave the big accounts/pages who are perpetuating those actions. but there are times where i randomly find myself in those and then i run away immediately 😂

[@mixedgems]

The clip you shared of Chan saying he wouldn’t leave Felix behind reminded me of something I thought of when I first saw it after learning of Bang Chan’s history. I wouldn’t be surprised that Chan wasn’t only trying to comfort Felix but was also wanting to cling onto someone (a fellow Aussie) to give him a piece of his childhood home, thus alluding to some of the traumatic experiences he had to go through during his formative years as a trainee. I often thought at that time that Chan Possibly needed Felix more than Felix needed him, which given Felix needed him A LOT at the start, is saying something. Thanks again for your thoughtful views.

[@oneusforall057]

I think it started as the other way around when Felix was new to the company, barely knew any Korean, and needed someone to both look after him and show him the ropes. And since Chan doesn’t strike me as the type who can pull off the “I don’t need anyone” facade, I’d be willing to bet that Felix was the first person who he let into his life after that traumatic experience he described on the Dive Podcast. Felix definitely means a lot to him. And I can only imagine what it felt like thinking that they’d he separated and unable to debut in the same group.

[@robinstopher1154]

Chris Said Felix was his soulmate, he was home to him.

[@HailToTheMeep]

This is why Kpop Stans have a reputation as “12 year olds”

[@HailToTheMeep]

@@stay-2022 Sorry my outraged reduced me into an ageist prat. Apologies. There are many mature thinking 12 year olds.

[@Myskz_8]

I'm just gonna share this video with every stay I know NO CUZ I FEEL STAYS NEED TO WATCH THIS VIDEO, and I just wanna thank the creator for digging into this and taking the efforts to really bring up everyth and clear out all the misconceptions that many people have, honestly a big thanks to you and I completely agree with everyth you said 💙

[@Myskz_8]

Oh btw if someone could clarify this for me, didn't bang chan indirectly talk about woojin in one of his lives from 2020? He said sth about taking promises seriously and not betraying your group etc. And I'm pretty sure he was referring to woojin even if he didn't precisely mention woojin's name, so why did bang chan say all of that then...? I'm referring to this video btw kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6izfZeaYr6spZI&feature=shares

[@oneusforall057]

The issue with those lives is I’ve seen too much debate about who Chan was talking about. Like apparently he wasn’t talking about the person people thought he was, but that person wasn’t Woojin, but that person was Woojin, and so forth and so on. This is the problem we run into when Chan discusses topics so openly. There’s too much room for misinterpretation and confusion. And since I’m sure that he’s not allowed to discuss Woojin directly (as is the case for pretty much all groups that lost members), he can’t issue out a proper follow up statement on the matter. But even if he was talking about Woojin, I’m still not convinced that Woojin did anything wrong. Chan’s main point was keeping promises (like the promise to be together as a group forever). Woojin didn’t see a future with himself in the group and decided to move on. Again, everything’s just speculation as we’ll most likely never know the real story as Woojin wants to move on, Chan doesn’t want to discuss it, and the other seven members tend to follow Chan’s lead with things.

[@Myskz_8]

@@oneusforall057honestly, I do think Chan was referring to woojin, even if some people disagree but then again it depends on how each person perceives Chan's words, well I suppose he was referring to the promise about being together as a group, and it does make sense cuz obviously Chan was hurt that one of the members couldn't fulfill that promise and he must've said all of that because of how emotionally distressed he was at the time....and yeah I too believe woojin isn't wrong here, woojin might've not wanted to stay in skz and pursue a different path which suited him more and perhaps Chan was hurt that woojin didn't prioritize the 'promise' to stay together as a group, but then again it's up to woojin what he chooses to do, even if it means going against a promise he made, because at the end what truly matters is that both people are happy doing what they want, so I believe Chan said those words because he couldn't really accept what happened and felt 'betrayed' in a way, but still, I wish Chan phrased his words in a better way, because him saying those things really made it seem like as if woojin was in fact wrong and after Chan said, it just stirred up more hate against woojin, cuz some stays took that as 'evidence' to hate on woojin saying things like "I trust Chan, woojin definitely did sth wrong" If Chan wanted to express how he felt about the matter, he could've been more careful with the words he used, and honestly I don't understand why Chan said "mistakes" as in when he said that "everyone makes mistakes but they should think about how their actions would affect the people around them" so... that just leaves me in confusion, I know he wasn't referring to the accusations against woojin, but maybe he was referring to some other 'mistake' and why did Chan say that it was sth selfish to do? I mean if woojin didn't feel like he was fitting in the group and wanted to do sth else and acheive his dream, how is that selfish? I know he prioritized himself over the promise but staying in the group was sth he didn't want, so how is that sth selfish?

[@LaurenPebble]

God I’m so sick of all the hate Woojin gets. Watching him in interviews, he comes off as such an genuine, down to earth person. His music is so good, and his voice his heavenly. He truly doesn’t deserve all the strife he’s faced from stays. Just in general life, people to need to learn to focus on what they love instead of what they hate. Like, if you love Stray Kids then support Stray Kids. Hating Woojin doesn’t help Skz, it doesn’t boost their numbers on streaming platforms, or their views on KZbin, or introduce them to new people. Hating Woojin has no purpose except to prove that the people who do it are hateful, vile, disgusting little losers that don’t understand the point of any of Stray Kids songs.

[@japanesekoreanfan2]

I was not a STAY from the beginning--I became a STAY early last year, but I can fully acknowledge that Woojin was once a part of the group, he left and is now doing his own thing, and Stray Kids are still going strong without him. I'll never be one of those people who thinks they have to blur his face out of a video from that time period or ignore the original recordings of the songs--some people refuse to listen to the OT9 mini-albums and will only listen to the OT8 versions from SKZ2020 and 2021 compilation albums, but I like to listen to both versions of the songs and watch all the music videos as well, especially because he has some pretty iconic lines in some of the songs that just feel different when Bang Chan, Han, Seungmin, or I.N do them, or in the case of the "Mixtape"s 1,2,3, and 4 just cutting out his solo bits altogether make the songs feel a little disjointed. I am also a proud Pink Blood, so I love SM artists like BoA, Kangta, Super Junior, SHINee, TVXQ, EXO, NCT, Girls' Generation, f(x), and Aespa. I hated it when members of any of those groups left, whether because they felt their crappy contracts were crappy and wanted out of them or they just decided to not renew their contracts when the original time frame was up, but I never hated any of those members themselves. I still like/love those who are still active in the music industry as soloists with smaller companies or started their own companies. Just because they felt like they should be able to go in another direction or stop altogether doesn't make them bad people. In almost every single case, it was something about SM the company that made them leave, not that they hated the other members or anything like that. I was really scared recently when the EXO members brought up their own issues with what the company was doing, but thankfully it seems they and the company came up with a compromise for them to stay with the company and with EXO--again, they wanted to stay as part of EXO because they love their members, they just didn't like what the company had been doing behind their backs. To address your question about whether JYP actually planned on eliminating Minho and Felix during the survival show, I think he really was sincere at each of those points in time about eliminating them but ended up reevaluating those decisions based on how hard they both worked on their respective weaknesses after being eliminated. You also have to take into account that those two of the nine had had the shortest trainee time of less than a year in each case, so I think JYP was also testing them to see if they had the grit and courage to keep working or if they would quit after the setback. Sure, Minho had been a dancer, but in terms of the singing, rapping, and other skills idols are expected to learn he'd been doing them for just a few months and JYP probably wanted to see if he'd go back to being a backup dancer for other artists due to a lack of ambition. JYP found out (to what I imagine was his chagrin) that Minho/Lee Know would bring up that fact later in such a savagely awesome manner. You also have to take into account how popular the 9 member group was with the general public/JYP fans during the airing of the survival show. You could tell when they opened up the voting for the audience to say whether they preferred the 7 member group or the 9 member group that the votes were sent in very quickly, meaning that most of the audience had probably made up their minds before the last round anyway, and when they checked halfway through the open voting timeframe, 95% of the audience wanted the 9 member group and that number never changed. I think JYP may have been on the fence on the decision coming in to that live round, but seeing how popular the 9 member group was he probably saw more cha-ching $$ from the 9 member group and finally made the decision right then and there to go with the popular vote. Just like you said about your video, this is all purely speculation from my standpoint on the outside of all these situations.

[@faceglitch.]

I'll always remember how, under the Purple Sky MV, Stays bashed Woojin on the comments because he could have been with SKZ and topping the charts (if I remember correctly, Oddinary made it to Billboard chart at the time). I don't know why they did it honestly, like, can you leave the man alone for once? He left the group and I highly doubt that he really cares that much about that. I still not have a clue why they decided to push that achievement down him and his fans' throats in the first place :/

[@jaz5117]

Woojin once said in a wooalog how sang for some elders in a bus when he was young and from then on he knew what he wanted to do, sing, and make people happy. Although I’m sure Woojin probably has dreams and goals to strive, all he wants to do is sing for the people he loves and to make cubs happy… he always said how he just wanted to tour so bad and now he has, and is going on to Asia tour. I wonder what his next goal will be and that antis won’t destroy it.

[@faceglitch.]

@@jaz5117 His World Tour was the best thing happened to him last year honestly. His company really managed it very well and I must say that his tour deserves to be called "world tour" since he covered Europe, North America, Latin America and now Asia too. I would not be surprised if he'll go to Australia too in the future. Idk which will be his next goal but surely CUBS are waiting for his next cb and new music from him in general.

[@jaz5117]

@@faceglitch. rightttt I’m super excited and 10x is truly the best xD

[@AwakeningWings]

First, they wanted him to leave and now they want him to stay in the group, so which is it? They really need to leave him and SKZ alone about this.

[@faceglitch.]

@@AwakeningWings I doubt they wrote those comments as a way to tell everyone that they miss him. They were probably mocking him because, by going solo into a small company such as 10x Entertainment, he will be stuck in "Nugudom", while SKZ will always be super successful. Which is a very childish tbh. I must admit that I miss him being in the group but I've moved on, they're into different paths now and the only good thing I can do is supporting both of them as they are now, even tho I'll get very emotional every 25th of March since it's both SKZ anniversary and CUBs Day :')

[@WooBearCub]

As a cub I wanna say thank you so much for this video ♥️ I love how reasonable and logical you approach the video. You have some really good arguments in it

[@lisebrinck8848]

That one clip from Chan’s Room episode 55 where he talks about trust and betrayal really makes it clear for me that he felt that when Woojin left the group, he broke a promise they’d made. Chan seems to be very big on keeping promises (he’s been going live every week for 200 weeks now because he made a promise), so I can see something like that leaving a mark. I totally agree that Chan’s “negative” feelings toward Woojin stems from him leaving and not from anything he did while in the group. And I completely agree that Woojin leaving might just have brought back Chan’s feelings from when other trainees would leave. As for why Woojin left the group, we will probably never know. Stray Kids are definitely not allowed to talk about it and maybe there’s a non-disclosure agreement in place so that Woojin isn’t either. But either way, none of them probably even want to talk about it anyway. I don’t have anything bad to say about Woojin. I’m not a fan of the type of music he makes now, but I think his singing has gotten so good, he seems to be a nice person and the visuals of the MV’s I’ve seen from him look great.

[@jadesweetbutton]

Chan seems to be big on holding other people accountable for promises. But an NDA stating that you won't talk about the former member, and then 5 months late you're talking about that former member and weaponizing your fans against him. That's breaking more than a promise.

[@AwakeningWings]

Chan made a promise to keep the group together for Stay and for SKZ and he made that promise to himself as well, but sometimes one can't keep promises like this when a member wants to leave on their own. I feel Chan was talking about himself in that episode, he would take the blame and responsibility because that's how he is as the leader. He deeply cares for others all the time because that's his nature. Yes, he talked about trust and betrayal but he does this a lot when fans and haters say things. It was far too vague to know who Chan was talking about so we really shouldn't speculate on this anymore. Maybe in the future, the truth will come out but we shouldn't wait for it. It's time everyone moves on from this. Sometimes leaders can also make mistakes and that's okay as long as they learn from the experiences they gain. Chan is still a good leader, regardless if he thinks he's a good leader or not. Regardless if other people think he's a good leader or not. Being a good leader is difficult, and the burdens are many. I wouldn't wish this on anyone, leadership roles are very difficult and the amount of strength you need to have is important. Sometimes promises need to be broken in order for people to grow and evolve otherwise they are just trapped somewhere they don't want to be; they are forced to leave or forced to stay or the environment around them is toxic. The way JYP and the so-called "Stay/fans/bullies" treated Woojin was so horrible, and "Stay/fans/bullies" were vile just because they deeply hated Woojin; it was all very unreasonable. (Not all Stay but most of them.) Woojin had every right to leave. There's a weight that's been lifted off of Woojin's shoulders and his energy feels so much lighter. Stray Kids are doing well and feel a lot lighter too, they've all improved since debut. They are still growing and evolving as individuals and as a group. I hope they reach new heights in everything they do; all of them including Woojin. Edit: I was fixing my grammar.

[@AwakeningWings]

@@jadesweetbutton I don't think Chan weaponized the "fans" because they decided to do this on their own which was very wrong and unreasonable.

[@jadesweetbutton]

@@AwakeningWings He'd been in the industry ten years he knew what would exactly what would happen

[@AwakeningWings]

@@jadesweetbutton That doesn't mean Chan can't make mistakes, right. Let it be a lesson to him and the rest of Stay.

[@angelakiprevski7352]

I feel like it's simply creative differences. I doubt Woojin liked the kind of music that Stray Kids ended up making. I found Woojin through his solo work (around the time I found out about Stray kids) but i didn't even know that he was a part of Stray Kids. Woojin's timing was fucked honestly and Bang chan and the members have the right to be upset about that but certain fans making a fuss about it when the members themselves have moved on as eight is ridiculous. Also, trying to perpetuate the "fact" that Woojin made the other members uncomfortable/or they hated him is so detrimental because a lot of people believe that to this day (also the false accusations). Fun fact: 2PM, Day6, Stray Kids and Nmixx all lost a member early into their careers.

[@little_woobear]

About the timing of his departure, that's imo can be debatable cuz his departure was after 2 comebacks and a world tour and before another comeback and world tour, when you look at their full schedule from Miroh promotions to the tour it was really full and they had a lot of activities where it was wrong for him to leave in the middle of it. So I actually think October was the "best" time for it, cuz I also believe it was discussed for some time, I think it's only makes sense it wasn't a decision of a moment and he couldn't just wake up one day and leave so all of those together after double Knot promotions was the most "better" time.

[@oneusforall057]

THIS!!! Stray Kids is pretty much as overworked as Twice. He could have left at any point and it would have been a bad time for him to do so. Groups are either A. Overworked or B. Neglected.

[@jaz5117]

Actually I don’t think Woojin could’ve decided when to leave, I find it completely unvalid tho hate on him because of that. First of all Woojin wasn’t even gonna continue music in the first place…and he once said he’s been contemplating on leaving the group for a while. This wasn’t meant to hurt the members I’m sure he loved them, kinda like you said he didn’t find his happiness within the company. Many cubs theorize including me that woojin expresses through covers like “Falling” and “eyes on me” what he felt. But anyways I’m getting onto something different. lol I agree with what you said in a way.

[@Sarah_Pixie]

@@little_woobear Right? Even to this day, the same 'stays' are crying about how packed SKZ's schedule is, which I agree with, they are overworked. There was never the right time to leave.

[@little_woobear]

@Sarah_Pixie yes, they're overworked since debut that ain't new news, like just recently I remember seeing ppl talk about the fact the members themselves pointed out they couldn't enjoy 5star promotion because of that packed schedule. Ppl will cry about them being overworked until that about Woojin cuz then it won't fit the "making Woojin the villain" narrative

[@oldlantern4754]

the thing about this that bothers me the most is that people talk about woojin as though he didn't also have dreams and aspirations. Chan being hurt bc Woojin leaving jeopardized his dreams is fine but to frame it as though woojin's only purpose in life was to be an accessory in making chan's dreams come true is dehumanizing as fuck. looking at the other angle you realize that being in skz jeopardized woojin's dreams. Woojin deserves to be happy just as much as Chan, but people have dehumanized him to the point that him not sacrificing his happiness and wellbeing for chan's dream somehow means that he is in the wrong. chan was never a "victim" in this situation. And his feelings were never woojin's responsibility.

[@Paper-Heart]

So true. I believe it was Taehyung from BTS that said, “Don't be trapped in someone else's dream.”

[@cerulean_dreams0]

You said this perfectly. They don’t see him as human, just a tool that either helped or sabotaged their man. It’s really horrendous how they’ve somehow muted their empathy button for someone they’ve perceived as the villain in this story.

[@oneusforall057]

Exactly. A lot of people are saying that Woojin’s decision was selfish. But he deserves to be happy. As do Stray Kids. Personally, I don’t think they would have seen the same level of success they do today if he were to have remained in the group. Meaning that him leaving was one of those situations where things have to look worse before they look better. Now SKZ can make music that fits the group more freely and WJ can do his own thing as a soloist. Everyone wins! Ya know, ignoring the hate WJ still gets…

[@ncteno]

​@@oneusforall057 i was once arguing with a stay that thought skz got hate anywhere NEAR the level wj gets 😭😭 like be serious omg wj gets sm hate even today

[@letsgaurrr7172]

YES EXACTLY!! I feel like a big cause of Woojin leaving was because he wasn’t able to show his full potential and his style just didn’t match Skz. He wanted to go Solo and he’s doing such a good job at it. I mean this man went on a World tour before even having a light stick. Woojin has basically been proved innocent through and through. What I don’t get is that if he was innocent then why did Chan say all those things on live? I feel like he spoke emotionally without thinking about how his words would discredit Woojins innocence and cause even more stays to turn against him. So far it’s just been people constantly digging for something to hate on Woojin for. He was the victim yet he still gets called a villain and gets harassed daily by people that know he’s innocent. It’s so frustrating and I feel so bad for him.

[@SierraSl]

I’m glad you brought up the mental health aspect. I recently watch miss back and realize these artists really struggled while there in group for various. It’s like we forget they deal with real issue behind the screen.

[@kpop_mode_on]

This is a really interesting perspective. Thank you for sharing

[@x.i_a]

dedicated to stays that are still bullying woojin ; stray kids performed ot8 school life during their most recent fanmeeting and for those who dont read song credits or never watched the survival, school life is kim woojin's song, he participated in the writing of it along jeongin and 3racha it is one of the only songs that didnt get an official ot8 re-recording as a lot was worked on by woojin so they cannot just remove the parts he wrote because woojin owns royalties and credits on the song (meaning he makes profit out of it), stray kids also needed his permission before covering the song on stage i cried my eyes out during the performance, it was to me the biggest proof thay no ; stray kids does NOT hate woojin, whatever ur little brain tells u

[@ayba9177]

Baby Stay here.. I was so intrigued by the lose of one member and even more so that there seemed to be some hate toward this member for "reasons" some Stay scattered in different comment sections. Sad to see such hate, when Skz seems to write alot of their songs about self-acceptance and embracing yourself and your personal direction/pace.. Those haters need to go back and listen to Stray kids a little deeper.. Anyway, I'll definitely try and speak against Wantis if I see them. Wishing everyone success and happiness!! 💗✌️❤️‍🩹👍

[@oneusforall057]

I notice this a lot with Stay and Army (BTS fans). Both groups write incredibly moving works of music about loving yourself, being a better person, etc. and their fans praise them for such deep and intimate lyrics. And then they turn around and act like they do… I’m only talking about the toxic fans if it’s not clear. But either way, it’s just a poor reflection on the groups.

[@RoseMary-gs6lt]

I will say that I’m in a point in life that unless I was there, I will not believe anything, whether is good or bad. Like anyone else there is favoritism from my side for liking stray kids and being a stay but dude, just let Woojin live his life. Both sides are going forward with their own plans in their careers PERIOD.

[@LowHeroic]

I wonder if they are on good terms though... seeing all the hate comments makes me want to scream

[@oneusforall057]

Based on how Chan acts whenever he sees OT9 related content, I have a feeling that he’s not. I also have my suspicions that it’s only Chan that has a problem given his extensive history of watching people leave and being left alone. I don’t know if any of the other members are still in touch with Woojin (talk to him, hang out, etc.) especially since him and the group are almost always touring. But I wouldn’t bet any money on them being on bad terms with him.

[@LowHeroic]

I guess they must be neutral. Is it just me or I always get irritated when people say ot8 and insulting Woojin. This whole incident reminds of what happen to Soojin from G-Idle

[@Urluv_hyu]

BangChan doesn't hate him, he left, that doesn't mean the members hate him now.

[@oneusforall057]

That was the point of the entire video… 😅

[@Yaravg]

I myself have always thought that between woojin and stray kids (or maybe only one member) there was a disagreement (could have started small) and this let to a conflict (not bullying, just disagreement). I always thought that this could have let to so much tension that they just agreed that it was better to part ways, in my opinion a mature decision (of course this is just speculation). But what you described in the video also makes a lot of sense, and I could actually see it being true. It even makes so much sense that it gets me to doubt if this might actually be what happened instead of what I always thought myself. Either way, I don't really think that stray kids and woojin are on speaking terms. I know that people say that stray kids rerecording their songs to 8 members isn't a good argument because of the royalties (like you explained in the video), however it has always struck me a strange that other groups that lost a member didn't do that, of course there can be lots of other reasons why other groups don't rerecord, but my point is more that we will never know 100% certain why they rerecorded their songs (however I do acknowledge that certain speculations are more plausible). The biggest reason I always thought that they had a conflict or aren't on speaking terms is because that one live from chan. Many stays at that time thought he was talking about woojin (me included). I can't remember what he exactly said anymore, but I've always interpreted as: sometimes people hurt others without meaning to or knowing it. This made me believe that woojin unintentionally hurt them (and maybe also stray kids hurt him back as a result). At least I never saw it as Chan calling Woojin a bad person. For clarity: I don't think that Woojin is the 'bad' guy, I always thought there was a conflict, and most conflicts are so complicated, that most often you can't say one side is the bad side or good side, most often both sides made mistakes and both sides did some good. To be honest I see it as friends who ended their friendship due to differences, and that isn't necessarily bad (that's life), at least, as long as it's handled well. In the end it doesn't really matter anyway, as we'll probably never know what happened unless stray kids and woojin say what happened. And to be honest, that's private and they have all right to keep it that way. So I'd say, stays should enjoy stray kids's music and cubs should enjoy Woojin's music. And if you're both, then enjoy both. I really wanted to share my opinion on this matter, because I know I have a rather unique view and I know that it can piss off both sides, but I think the situation is just a lot more complicated and nuanced than he's (fully) innocent or he's a bad person (and I felt as if this video understood that it isn't a simple situation, so I feel as if people here might actually listen to what I say and if they see something wrong (respectfully) point it out, instead of just flaming me for thinking something else)

[@daliaa.9705]

Also I think Chan might still be hurt by it but now I can see a lot of happiness and changes. He has been opening himself up to the members a lot of especially Lee Know knows his responsibility as a leader and Chan always says how thankful he is cause Lee Know takes a lot of that off of him. I don’t think we need to be too worried anymore, they are also older now and the members make it easy for him, he said that they listen well, even though they tease him a lot. You can forgive someone and move on but still being hurt.

[@oneusforall057]

I am worried though because Woojin does nothing and this fandom continues to harass him and wish the worst upon him. I am worried because Bang Chan still wears his emotions on his sleeves like he’s a small channel streamer and not one of the most well known idols in KPop. I am worried because false narratives continue to haunt Woojin. As they do for Shin Jimin, Seo Soojin, Kim Garam, Lucas Wong, and Ravn. People spread misinformation that debunked and then proceed to spread disinformation that they pulled out of thin air. I love Chan. I want him to be happy. He deserves to be happy. But the more that he acts annoyed to see Woojin and the longer that it takes for him or any other SKZ members to talk about this issue publicly (something they may never do as they have the right to let that remain private), the worse it keeps getting. Everyone wants to move on. But we can’t because antis flood Twitter on a weekly basis (if not daily) with false accusations about someone that was just doing what he thought would be best for both the group and himself. It’s so upsetting that he hasn’t been given the freedom to move on in peace.

[@丨-q9j]

@@oneusforall057 El Woojin está en paz sabés, chan no tiene que moderar sus palabras por unas locas de Twitter. No des por hecho de que tiene resentimiento o algo ésto pasó hace mucho tiempo

[@elizabethb4077]

@@丨-q9j UF, menos mal que hay gente con algo de sentido común... Y muchos Stays aquí le están agradeciendo por el vídeo... Cuando está provocando que juzguen a Chan sin motivo . E incluso otros se están quejando porque hay Stays que estan diciendo que dejen de meter a todo el fandom en el mismo saco , basándose en la gente tóxica que alomejor ni siquiera son Stays . Como si ya no tuviéramos suficiente con todos los trolls que están provocando a otros fandoms para que odien a SKZ y más cosas .

[@natty7639]

Yeah it’s very much seen how closer they got with Lee know and how much Lk helps him.

[@stayville-connections]

@@elizabethb4077 we acknowledge that it is not all stays who are acting like this, but most woojin antis are stays who use bangchans comments and actions about it as an excuse to continue hating. Plus the fact that most cubs are stays, we are not trying to give the fandom a bad reputation but rather are trying to educate others about this situation :)

[@jadesweetbutton]

I think a lot of people also overlook the 3rd possibility. Which is that Chan may not know himself. Why Woojin left. We have to remember that personal reasons may have been told to the team to. Terminating the contract would be between hugen and JYP.

[@everglowup]

HELP I didn't see the clock, these stays are OBSESSED! You can tell coz one twitter user posted pics of woojin and chan together and NOT A SINGLE search term was used and that person had never posted Woojin content before and yet they found that tweet and attacked this user. Those stays talk more about Woojin than I do and I'm the cub 💀

[@oneusforall057]

Stay are coming for Swifties’ brand lol But yeah, it’s concerning how obsessed they are with him. I will never understand where that drive comes from. And yes. You are THE Cub 💙

[@DaddiesLittlePsycho]

SOME are. 99% dont give a damn. For example, ik only jere because I don't want anyone teying to atart a war, because both SKZ and him Re going to be the Philippines pwrforming at the same time, and this videos thumbnail looked like tbe peefecy exucse that small number of STAY eould need to dause them to wtatt trouble with his fandom while they are both there. That saidz please dont use "STAY" to refer to them. Say anti cubs or something. Because you can't say the fandom is at fault when 99% of SYAY have absolutely nothing against him, we would kuat love for people yo stpp bringkng him up so that SKZ don't ever have to think about it again. So kf anything, we dislike these individuals more than anyone becauseghey a4e a detriment to SKZ. Besides, compared to those like myself, their hate group is incredibly small. Seriously, SKZ now have one of the top 5 largest fandoms in knop

[@everglowup]

@@DaddiesLittlePsycho 😒😒😒

[@oneusforall057]

@@DaddiesLittlePsycho The vast majority of Woojin antis are Stay. Armys, Blinks, Onces, Midzy, etc. couldn’t care less about him. Especially not to this extent. But when 99% of Wantis either have SKZ as their profile picture or have them listed in their Twitter bios, then it’s obvious which fandom they belong to. Look, I am 1,000% against the “We don’t claim them” mentality. If you have a toxic group of people in your fandom, that’s your responsibility to acknowledge and condemn them. Giving them a pass and saying that you don’t claim them just enables them because the fandom won’t take a stand against them. Y’all are the bystanders in a bullying scenario where Woojin is the victim and toxic Stay are the bully. Tell them to cut it out or accept that they are a part of your fandom.

[@justaugy6734]

@@oneusforall057 I don't agree that other people in the fandom are responsible for what the haters do to other party. It's not like a fandom have a structural leadership or whatever. How the heck do we supposed to 'discipline' the haters? Though it is true that they are part of Stay (because they're stanning Stray Kids), it's still not right to generalized what individuals do as a whole community action. Stay as a community never have an agreement that Woojin is a hate subject. It's individual problem if they have that stupid mentality to hate someone. Also, I 80% sure that those who still spread hates towards Woojin are just immature kids. Probably just some primary school kids or unstable teenagers. You don't have to take it seriously. Just ignore them. Even their numbers are nothing compares to real Cubs or Stays who don't really give attention to whatever happened in the past anymore. :))

[@stormycake821]

This kind of thing only ever flares up when Woojin starts to get some attention. Woojin is very talented and his company is investing in him. If he wasn't talented - he would not be getting these kind of opportunities. We see companies ALL the time shut down mildly successful groups. If there are Cubs or fellow Stay who also appreciate the soloist Woojin, just focus on the positives. Don't take the bait from the haters. They will slowly become the minority.

[@antoinerouch5109]

Si SM entertainement a tout fait pour récupérer woojin comme leur artiste c'est pour une raison il save woojin va leur apporter beaucoup agent

[@eyes_onyou.]

I had to go back and watch the mv again to see what clock they were talking about lol Turns out, in that case Woojin is a name of a company that produces pressure gauge, so all that noise for nothing 🙃

[@nelysilva5833]

I do agree with your assessment of this situation. I appreciate your point of view. Thank you. This was very informative, and wish Woojin, and Stray Kids much success❤❤. God bless them all, and you too🙏🙏🙏😊☺️

[@via45]

Woojins talents were wasted, now he can shine, his voice speaks for itself.

[@oneusforall057]

Exactly! Sooner or later, SKZ was going to separate into OT8 and Woojin being a soloist. Everyone is better able to thrive in that scenario. I wish that Woojin was given the freedom to do so without antis constantly harassing him.

[@via45]

​@@oneusforall057I'm back, and yes agreed. They didn't deserve him. Saw him live and he was spectacular.

[@Siriwarbreakerskz]

Baby stay of about 1 year here, and based on everything I've seen regarding this situation these are the same conclusions I've come to thankfully. It's really confusing as a new stay coming in and trying to understand the situation and it can definitely be harmful to Woojin's reputation 😭. The hate and false rumours are definitely the first thing you see, and it's only after I got a better understanding of how the group was formed, Chan's personality (what we see), old clips of them as a group before he left, and actual facts about the situation could I come to these conclusions properly😢. I don't follow his music but it's pretty obvious to me that the hate towards him is extremely unfounded😭. I can kinda understand if some stays were confused about the kind of person he was while the situation was still happening and I guess there were no concrete facts about it as yet (the alleged assault), I can in no way understand how anyone ever believed he used to bully the members, that's just dumb on so many levels, watch any old clip with them especially after they debuted and you see how sweet he is with them, the calmest of all of them in my opinion😭 but hating on him now makes absolutely no sense. But the internet gonna internet I guess 😪

[@reveluvharu0506]

as soon as i saw the title and the thumbnail i had to click and support because even i'm like "what is going on for stays to treat woojin the way they do and especially in relation to bang chan and etc."

[@BelleRufus_]

JYPeee be like "you get a trauma, you get a trauma, everybody gets a trauma" seriously, he pulled that stunt on momo before and for what? views? the trainees are just kids and imagine being left alone again and again and again, the damage that causes on a kids/teens mind! I agree that seeing older pictures probably makes Chan sad and in some way maybe triggering old wounds. I also thought it was quite disrespectful of the organizers to use an old photo because it seems they just didn't bother to research their artists, like "we want to make money from your performance but we actually don't give an F about you". I'd be pretty upset too if someone wouldn't acknowledge my hard work and success but still wants to profit of it... and lets not forget how in a recent lifestream with seungmin someone asked him to touch his cheek if he misses woojin and he immediately did so. might have been a coincidence but honestly I don't think it was because it was rather obvious. So yeah, I think no one in Skz hates woojin, if anything it's sadness about him not being there anymore. Great video though, thank you for talking about it! Also, to anyone who hates woojin, just leave him alone! there is absolutely no reason to throw that much hate towards someone who didn't do anything wrong and leaving a group in order to grow is not a crime! It's sad yes, but it's his decision and he is allowed to pursue his dream too! You don't have to stan or support him, just leave the poor guy in peace, I don't understand why someone would use their energy to hate someone with such a passion!

[@oneusforall057]

I’m not really one to make assumptions based on if people do what someone’s asking in a livestream because we never know if it’s a coincidence or not. But didn’t Seungmin recently cover one of Woojin’s OST tracks from a drama? Someone that’s allegedly the “victim of Woojin’s bullying” probably wouldn’t even be able to listen to his music (much less cover it). And yeah, I understand Chan’s frustration with the OT9 pics. When I first got into SKZ, I was so confused as to whether or not they were an 8 or 9 member group because this was in late 2020 and people wouldn’t stop talking about Woojin. Here we are in early 2023 and people still bring him up in SKZ spaces enough to where people not actively following the group are probably confused (hence why they use OT9 pics instead of OT8 ones). Woojin haters need to stop bringing him up and SKZ/JYPE just need to send in their own promotional photos to these event organizers because they’re obviously not going to research what the current SKZ lineup looks like.

[@jaechaos6577]

​@oneusforall057 I have absolutely no idea where you got that Seungmin covered anything from him. Both of them covered Event Horizon by Younha.

[@hutao3270]

100% agree with what you say about Bang Chans abandonment issues with Woojin and everything because I have abandonment issues because of my childhood and it used to be really bad to the point that when I felt like one of my friends was going to leave me I would completely shut down and isolate my self and “leave them first” and I would get really angry. I think that probably played a massive part in whatever Chan was feeling

[@Coco.mg125]

Am I the only one that felt like they were committing a crime or something supporting Woojin as a solo artist while also being a STAY? I 100% agree with everything you said, and those reasons are exactly why I support Woojin. 1. Nobody in Straykidz has ever said or shown that Woojin was a bad person. There are literally videos showing how close of a bond the members had with Woojin, contradicting all those rumors and edits. When I saw the Felix videos, that was personally my last straw, I felt like reporting because that made it clear everyone was stretching it. There are literally videos of Fexil hugging and cuddling Woojin like he's his father! 2. His Music! When I listen to and watch his music videos, the only thing that comes to mind is that this guy, from his soul and out, Is A True Artist. I was able to empathize (which is something people need to learn how to do) that maybe he felt like he couldn't fully "spread his wing-straykidz :)". As Someone who is artistic themeselves, I know that when an artistic person feels like they can't create what they want to create and express themselves how they want to express themself, they will become extremely depressed. Therefore I honestly think he left for his own sanity and mental state. WHich means that was a good thing! You mentioning that his music is completely different from Straykidz music, and that really proves this point. 3. District 9. From the emotional variety show where chan really struggled with threats of Straykidz not being able to dabut as 9. The video of their first concert, but instead of ot 9 they were 8, to Bangchan being annoyed that there are no updated ot8 pictures. For me, it was obvious that stray kids really struggled from Woojin leaving. And also knowing The TrUama chan must have gone through, constranly creating bonds with people and seeing them com and go, even being left alone. Knowing that, I also agree that if we Stays care about Straykidz, Please stop reminding them of Woojin because him being gone is clearly hard on them. And stop sending so much hate to Someone they really care about. Lastly the fact that JYP is literally trending as one of the worst companies. So why are we surprised when Woojin didn't just leave Straykidz but the whole company...? When stays started tripping for a moment I didn't want to be a stay anymore and even stopped listening to straykidz. Then I quickly realized I became a stay for a reason, and just because the fandom sucks doesn't mean I should stop supporting them. It's ok to be an OT8 STAY, while also being team Woojin :)

[@oneusforall057]

A lot of Stay-Cubs/Cub-Stays (myself included) have been treated as if we’re a paradox. We shouldn’t exist. “How could you say that you support Stray Kids when you support Woojin?” Maybe because everything that Woojin’s been accused of has been proven false, anything else people try to make up about him (like how he allegedly was ab*sive to SKZ) doesn’t have any evidence to support it, and even SKZ/JYPE said to support him going forward. You can support his solo works and the group as OT8. It’s not difficult.

[@antoinerouch5109]

​@@oneusforall057 i feel like stays don’t have accepted that woojin and solist they want just woojin back in the group . This why they are so obessed whit woojin and don’t leave him alone. Every time woojin announces something in his carreer he starts sending him hate again as recently whit are asiia tour.

[@oneusforall057]

I don’t think they necessarily want him back. They made that clear when they were making petitions to kick him out because they thought he was ugly… I think they’re just forever angry at the fact that we’ll most likely never know what happened behind closed doors. Why did Woojin leave? Why was it right before Levanter era? Was there a falling out between the members? These fans feel so entitled to know everything. Heck, that’s why the antis made up stuff in the first place. If we weren’t given a reason, they’d make one up. But we need to accept that 1. Whatever happened is between Woojin, SKZ, and JYPE and 2. We aren’t owed an explanation. Everyone’s entitled to their own privacy. Even idols/celebrities.

[@antoinerouch5109]

@@oneusforall057 i don’t agree whit you because everytime woojin did a live to tiktok or youtube he to like comment . 'Woojin this when you back in stray kids ’ or another woojin you can back in stray kids . In are recent live woojin to did about tik tok he had that of comments about that . This people don’t have accepted woojin and solist because if he had accepted they’ll leave woojin alone

[@Coco.mg125]

I agree with both of you some immature stays are probrobly attacking him because they think he's "ugly" ( I forgot about that rumor), while others can't get over it, and respect the fact that he is a soloist now. My thing is why are stays the only one doing this. For example I know there are probrobly a lot of EXOls doing Lay the same thing, but I don't think people were coming up with horrible lies this. He's still very successful as a soloist. That's embarassing for stays.

[@kxtee.officiall]

“our favorite 5 yr old, single father of 7, has a hard life” 💀

[@neueone]

I've never thought of it from this pov, thank you it also made me so sad and just want to hug chan idk 😢

[@oneusforall057]

He always gave us hugs at the end of Chan’s Room, but is anyone giving *him* any hugs? 🥺

[@GUAGA0612]

When can people leave him alone, get a life. Changing company in workspace is extremely normal and common why can’t people acknowledge it when it comes to idol groups.

[@phylisbrown1181]

I completely agree with your theories. The only people who know how Woojin and Chan feel about the other are Woojin and Chan. Until you become them and understand, your opinion is just that, an opinion and everyone has one. I believe neither speaks of the other because of the great sadness it brings to them both. I personally feel that Woojin leaving was the right thing for both parties. Stray Kids would not be WHO they are today if he had stayed and WOOJIN would not have the success he has today of he had stayed.

[@the-daydreamer]

I didn’t wanted to admit that, because I like Chan, but to be honest it’s kind of shady of him to make that kind of remarks (11:14 and that time he said something about feeling betrayed by someone hinting on Woojin) knowing very well how Woojin already hated by fans. Even if they ended on bad terms, even if he’s betrayed by him Woojin already had a big portion of hatred. I’m not a fan of Woojin, but I always expected from boys (because I genuinely think that stray kids are good people) once make a statement asking fans not to hate him and not to speculate. They could say something like that in one their streams. They’re not obliged to do that, but I respected them more. That one thing could ended this long time ago but instead Chan said something about feeling betrayed.

[@PearlMochi-s2v]

I TOTALLY respect your opinion, I'm not saying this to contradict you, but if they did end on bad terms, I'm not saying you should hold a grudge, etc. But we'll probably never know what actually happened. Chan is very open about his feelings, and i dont think he would say that to be rude, mean etc. To Woojin, I know from experience that depending on what happens with someone you used to be friends with, trusted, etc. It's not easy to act pleased when you see something about them etc. NO HATE TO WOOJIN AT ALL. I SUPPORT HIM BEING A SOLOIST, IM JUST STATING MY OPINION, FEEL FREE TO DISAGREE

[@iamacorgiwasbornin1997]

finally someone said my opinion out, sometimes Chan made me confused and I thought there’s no necessary of him to even said that. I know he’s hurt but Stays got crazy after his even made the consequences worse I don’t know why he did that. But as a person who got misunderstood frequently I forgive that

[@via45]

Really questions his character becuase he has done this so many times before I'm glad the company did something to stop it.

[@via45]

​@@PearlMochi-s2vit's called being unprofessional, there are no excuses to it especially from an adult.

[@lilly25642]

That Vlive where Chan talks about Woojin (without saying his name but it was clearly about him) and calls him selfish, etc. was just a few months after he left, so I feel like the emotions were still running high. The truth is that we have ZERO clue what happened. Chan mentions mistakes being made, broken promises, etc. I don't think he would lie about this, he seemed genuinely heartbroken when saying these things and he's always very honest about how he feels. I don't believe he said these things to hate on Woojin, I think he just genuinely wanted to vent and they indeed left in bad terms.

[@hairscrunchieltd]

i never thought about the royalties part when it came to re-recording the earlier skz songs but makes sense. i personally find really weird how eager stays and skz are to erase any trace of a former member. i've been into the whole idol world for over 10 years, seen members come and go and this is the first time that i've seen a group so openly dismiss a former member that left for personal reasons and not some scandal. and though i like the theory of chan being mad at woojin because he trusted him, i (with no proof and only convictions) find it hard to believe. but yeah, at the end of the day we will most likely never know and its all up in the air.

[@oneusforall057]

Here’s the thing though, they didn’t. Felix took about a year to post about being OT8. Han was still wearing a necklace that Woojin gave him after Woojin’s departure. And Seungmin is like Cub #1 with how he promotes the OSTs that Woojin participates in. It feels like it’s not a SKZ issue. It’s an issue between JYPE’s policy of not discussing idols that have left (such as GOT7) and Chan having been put through all sorts of trauma by this awful company. Chan is the only one that’s openly expressed any signs of there being a problem with Woojin. And since he’s the leader and the oldest, the others follow in line. I really can’t bring myself to believe that the other seven members are willingly keeping silent about how they feel about Woojin. Or that they actively dislike him.

[@wwh3434]

great video and i really hope you make one about stz in survival shows because that was really something.

[@oneusforall057]

That can definitely be arranged!

[@rae9977]

i’m not a woojin anti and i’m not really that much of a STAY either (i do lots of research before getting into groups, so i havent listened to enough of their music even though i like all of their personalities so far.) with what i’ve seen, i personally think that STAYs are taking a lot of bangchan’s words out of context and blowing them up to be about situations they aren’t referring to, which is adding to the woojin hate that older STAYs are perpetuating. don’t get me wrong, i think bangchan definitely has a stream of consciousness that he articulates when he should weigh what he’s saying first, but i think there are a lot of times where people are looking for ways to place it with woojin because of the uncertainty of the situation to the point where bangchan will quite literally clarify that whatever topic wasn’t about woojin, and then people will then go “well he wouldnt just CONFIRM it” to justify STILL taking his words out of context. there’s a lot he’d have to deliberate over with practically every word he says at that point because of how much people are willing to refer his emotions back to the situation. it’d probably be WORSE if he was like “not woojin though!” every two seconds because no matter what, the internet is going to pick it apart and weaponize the idea that authenticity is not guaranteed in any interaction. if he didn’t open up at all, his authenticity as an artist would then be called into question when he just wants a good relationship with the people who support him. for example, when bangchan was talking about the ot9 pictures, everyone kept saying he was shading woojin, but he was saying that companies should be paying more attention to who they’re advertising because there IS NOT a 9th member. people use the fact that he wasn’t extremely direct with his words in english (which is a whole other can of worms- people hold a sort of linguistic superiority with english to take what he says more literally and seriously to add it to the overanalysis pile. ugh) against him to perpetuate a narrative that there’s one sided beef with woojin. there’s also the song, and even mentioning of his experience with losing TRAINEE FRIENDS in an interview. people always go “is he slightly referencing woojin here???” “is this referring to woojin???” and he’ll be talking about general experiences of abandonment and moving on and the pain that comes with. people should recognize that just because he felt abandoned by woojin, it doesn’t mean all of his pain comes from this one experience, and attributing it to that is not only dismissive of bangchan’s experiences, but inflates the idea that woojin leaving was inherently tense and malicious in nature. the only time i think he had actually his foot in his mouth about the situation was the “actions affecting others” mention in that one livestream. i’m pretty sure he said later he wasn’t talking about woojin then, but he had said “STAYs know who i’m talking about”, in which case they would reasonably assume it was woojin. i think he needed to recognize what’s appropriate to say before saying it, especially when he is not allowed to clarify, because if it really wasnt about woojin that definitely contributed to the hate BECAUSE of the situation’s uncertainty as viewed by the media. alluding is only going to make assumptions worse, so i’m glad that bangchan clarified before that the members are fine and not to send woojin hate. i think that they are both human beings and not characters to psychoanalyze. as a result there is no perfect way to navigate a relationship that’s subject to over-analyzation on the internet, and it’s even worse because they can’t make the same mistakes normal people can without twice the criticism and twice the responsibility. even for woojin, who had to do everything to prove his innocence just for it to still be “arguable” to this day. the hate he had as a member in skz followed him out and doubled because people will decide what it is and isn’t based on perception rather than what the situation is no matter what, specifically because we DO NOT have the full picture. i dont think either of them are bad people, but there are ways that both of them could’ve made the situation more clean cut, and there are things that they are likely forcibly not allowed to say that made the situation more convoluted. to be honest, i dont think that anything bangchan could’ve done would’ve helped much. a lot of people misunderstand korea’s nuance with fan accountability, and i think that any way that he handled the situation hurt or not would’ve still resulted in an overage of hate to both parties and overanalysis of their interactions to make each other out like bad people with serious beef. i think with going their separate ways, they’ve let each other go. i dont really see either of them actively roping each other back into the situation even with what i’ve seen from chan. I think it’s really the toxic STAYs that are commanding the tide on that. with that in mind though, i still dont think it’s wrong of chan to be thankful to his fanbase. everyone knows when he says STAY, he’s talking about the kind people who support them with love in their hearts. i dont think him thanking his fans for their support and for loving him should be conflated with him condoning their every action, and it should be considered that he likely see things and is not allowed to say anything about them. he is not a western celebrity that can just tell people to “stop [blah blah blah]”. more idols would be doing that if they could, and even idols with normal boundaries that they barely enforce are still actively called “rude” “bitch” “ungrateful” “hate their fans who just want to support them” etc. i think acknowledging that there were smarter ways to go about this can exist at the same time as acknowledging that chan is not in a position to control his fandom the way he would like to, that woojin made a good decision for himself, and that both of them have grown as people since this has happened, anyway. this was quite a while ago and chan likely intends to become someone that people can appreciate for being mature and respectful as he gets older and more in touch with his emotions.

[@AwakeningWings]

Thank you for explaining everything clearly. I'm so sorry about the comments I left; I just don't like when people lie and make up false claims about other people or blame people for things they had no control over. We can enjoy both Stray Kids and Woojin's music equally without blaming each other or competing about who is right and who is wrong. We've already figured out who did what and also who ruined someone else's life. It's not Chan or Woojin. It's the people who made the false accusations and tried to get away with it that are at fault. So now that is established we can move on, yeah? ☺ You know I saw a video talking about the music video "I am YOU" and how Woojin's face was blocked/blurred out by some "fans/haters." The "haters" just did that after he left and while he was being accused of SA. And in actuality nothing was done to the actual music video, it is still up and Woojin is clearly there. He was not taken out of the video and it wasn't edited at all. Nothing these "fans/haters/bullies" did makes any sense here. These people just keep getting worse and worse day by day. And they get dumber every day with their nonsense and false information. Since SKZ is not doing anything horrible lately or hurting anyone, etc, these people find ways to say unnecessary and untrue things about them all the time. (I know SKZ is actually good at heart and always has been good. They have that good energy about them.)

[@sanascheesekimbap]

1:51 this man is seriously living in peoples minds istg

[@Sarah_Pixie]

It's sad that this is still a topic after all these years, like let all of them breathe! Those people shouldn't even be called "toxic Stays" they are just haters.

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoods9648]

Purple sky hit me like a bullet in my brain istg y'all are sad ass individuals if you're hating on him

[@zios870]

I'm glad that woojin made those decisions. There's no hope and dream when you in a toxic environment. Leave that behind and keep on moving.

[@dgls127]

I am fighting with someone one twt about this, and i thought that they were talking about the "bullying" which we can't rlly prove nothing. BUT NO, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT THE POLICE PROVED FALSE YEARS AGO. why ppl are so dumb i swear

[@Idkfangirling]

When I found videos that explained what actually happened with Woojin and everything made sense. I never believed that skz, especially chan, hated woojin. It just didn’t make sense with how much he cared about his members. Secondly, if woojin HAD been harassing the members, skz WOULD NOT be defending him or staying silent. They would be openly condemning him. I just can’t see a reality where they would not speak up for each other. Up until now all they have done is kept silent. Both parties want to move on with their lives.

[@mariafamilia9134]

Accusing someone of sexual harassment or abuse is a very serious accusation.. It should not be taken lightly.. But if the one accursed proved his innocence, the hate needs to stop. There's no reason to cause or stir drama....It's annoying, get a life He's not part of the group .MOVE ON !! IM NOT DEFENDING ANYONE

[@xagonent4942]

I watched the Stray Kids documentary and I fell in love with each member. Woojin was my favorite for his vocal range, the dynamic he had with Chan being both the eldest, and the fact that the dude looks like Ryu from Street Fighter. I don't hate Woojin nor the member there, just glad they both are doing their thing. I think of it like this, would God's Menu sound the same if Woojin was there and would he fit the concept? I would honestly say no and God's Menu is to me their best song thus far. Seeing him leave you see how good I.N and Seungmin's vocals are. In hindsight it was the best decision for him to leave and they are both doing their thing. Life works in weird ways man.

[@oneusforall057]

This is what I’m always saying. Woojin didn’t fit SKZ’s sound or image. And I think him leaving really let the remaining eight members come into their own! Seungmin’s shown so much growth as a vocalist over the years! And even though I personally don’t see I.N as a strong vocalist as he doesn’t support his notes, getting more lines has really pushed him to work harder and still show improvement! I wish that more people could see that WJ leaving was ultimately the best decision for everyone. And we should just let him be a soloist in peace.

[@xagonent4942]

@@oneusforall057 Exactly! Rewatching the documentary and comparing it to YG treasure box, there is a thing called fitting a company or group's image. I think woojin and minho dont fit what stray kids is, but when woojin left and minho mainly focusing on dancing and being given minimal lines he shines now. So seeing him in the group works. Look at Treasure as a next example. I have heard about yedam for a long time and everytime I saw him I saw a solo person, similar to woojin. He has his own vibe and being in a group made no sense to me. Yedam left Treasure and I see that as the best thing. I dont get treasure and I dont find them personally appealing, but what their concept is yedam doesnt fit. He is like a justin bieber or a Timberlake. You can watch any survival show and look at the trainees to see if they fit what the company's concept is. If I were to put woojin in a group I would put him in a vocal group that allows him to shine. He didn't shine much in Stray Kids, but I hope he gets to shine on his own. Plus I.N and Seungmin are doing their thing. Happy they are getting more recognition.

[@oneusforall057]

@@xagonent4942 I feel like with Minho, he’s managed to fit the group more and more over time (I especially noticed this during God’s Menu era). And even though both him and Woojin were the most introverted members (and he still is), you have Bang Chan and Han looking out for him and including him in conversations, interviews, etc. Minho gives the same aura as Chaeryoung of Itzy: The more quiet and introverted member that helps give more dimensions to the group and their concept. And as far as lines go, it’s really helped that Seungmin and I.N have worked so hard to fill in for Woojin. And I don’t discuss this enough, but Hyunjin’s improvement also needs to be appreciated! That’s really helped Minho focus more so on his performances and standing out in his own way!

[@xagonent4942]

@@oneusforall057 Amen to that! Plus Han or jisung can do all the high notes needed like in Levanter. Things really did work out for the group in the end and I wish them nothing but success. They are one of the few groups I actually found that plays music I like to be honest. I liked Ikon until B.I. left and I never really fell hard for Big Bang like many people did. I respect that a ton of groups are constantly turned out by companies and finding one you like is tough. I am not sure if you watch the survival show LOUD, but there was a JYP trainee that did a song called Flower and is really talented at rap and dance. I am waiting for him to debut in whatever group JYP is putting together. He reminds me alot of Bang Chan and on the show it showed he could have debuted with Stray Kids. So I am optimistic on what's to come from the talent that is there.

[@HailToTheMeep]

It is disgusting how the kpop industry monetise suffering. Both the company like JYP stuffing them around with thet survival show. As well as the fans with their demands and bullying. It is disgusting how teams aren’t allowed to grow together organically with the company being the central of all section making instead of the group.

[@AwakeningWings]

Also, wanted to mention that Woojin wasn't actually completely erased from SKZ's music videos or music, he is still in a lot of them and his face isn't covered up or anything. SKZ never had a problem with Woojin and those bullying accusations are all wrong. We know how protective Woojin was with SKZ so why does that change when he left the group on his own. He wasn't kicked out at all. Of course, it hurts when someone you care about leaves you but that doesn't mean people should go out of their way to make up accusations and hound Chan or Woojin and the other members to know the answer. They can't tell us the truth and they don't need to. Why can't people just move on, it has been a few years now? This means Woojin really didn't do anything and neither did Chan. We need to stop bringing this stuff up constantly when it's not really a problem. Fans/anti-fans/Haters love to nitpick apart idols like vultures. And some people are just adding fuel to the flame when there really is no need for it. We don't need to start a fire when there is nothing going on. What's done is done and please, it's time to move on. Let's not speculate anymore. I saw this same behavior with another group, why don't these fans/haters whoever they are leave us alone? It's because we keep feeding into their egos and talking about them. The best way to deal with them is to stay silent and not interact with them at all. Let's spread the truth without reacting or talking to the haters/anti-fans/fans. If they say something just block them don't even read their comments. I know it's hard but it has to be this way. SKZ will keep getting more recognization and this will happen constantly. It might be better to stay away from the fandom for mental health and all, just be there for SKZ and Woojin's music. I logged off Twitter a while back and it's the best thing that I've done. Now, I can just listen to SKZ and Woojin's music without any interruptions and people telling me what to do. I can watch all the videos and music videos in peace. Try it :)

[@peachyarts386]

Now I did become a stay after Woojin left but learning that a member left I did want to look kinda into why and the only reason I can find is simply that Woojin wanted to make his own music and have his own career… to me that is a pretty reasonable excuse for him to wanna leave stray kids… I can obviously tell stray kids used to be sad of course but not they seem to have moved on and be happy being just 8 just like Woojin likes being just Woojin… It’s sad that stays can’t do the same… and that both Woojin and Chan have been receiving hate for this… it’s unfair for both of them… I really do think that Chan now is happy that Woojin is happy, any real stay would know that Chan is such a selfless guy and would obviously want Woojin to be happy… and Woojin is probably also happy for stray kids for their success… And I bet both parties would not want each to get hate… It does make me feel so upset that people gotta act like little kids when someone decides to make their own decision…

[@031nikita]

Chan should have stepped up,that's what leaders do,,woojin was pigeon holed,jyp co. took the easy way,yeah he was young,but been there done that,, Jungkook many times stepped up for Tae with staff, company, when he wasn't leadership but a friend,no hate,, just this was the worst way this played out.karma is a,,,,

[@via45]

Yeah it's not a good sign if a leader has that much disregard over his group. They are suppose to be mature.

[@IvanaFidersek]

Chan nor any of SKZ members -hate-, Woojin at all... they are and always will be hyungs ( I think Woojin was the oldest so yeah). Cubs, be aware and grateful that it developed the way it did...otherwise we would NEVER have heard all of these solo projects by Woojinaah.... that unique voice couldn't take place nor flourish in any - boy band- group. He is too precious and deserves to be seen/recognized and cherished as one and only. Our unique Kim Woojin. Respect.

[@FlowerArtzy24]

Ngl this video makes sense like why would he be so upset when the dude didn’t do anything wrong

[@missvnuna3623]

As a baby Stay, thank you for clearing up for me what could have happened. Because all I get when I ask other Stays or the internet I only get those rumors thrown at me. And while that makes for some storylines for a fanfiction, I still would have some base on what happened.

[@DrPlaneteer]

I’ve been a stay since oddinary so I’m not familiar with their ot9 dynamic (I refuse to watch the survival show)… but I’m somehow convinced that his departure was purely due to artistic differences… 3racha was in complete control of their early stuff so I’m guessing wj wanted to put some of his own and just wasn’t clicking with 3racha (now they seem more open to let the other members be more in control)… so I see how that could be frustrating, specially in their culture where the older person have some kind of authority… that’s my hypothesis… did they ended badly? Maybe, but it could be just out of frustration, I don’t think he did something l terrible to any of them

[@oneusforall057]

Exactly! Woojin’s solo works take music inspirations from the opposite end of the genre spectrum from Stray Kids’ music. If a JYPE staff member came out tomorrow with a statement that WJ left because of creative differences, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised. Also, welcome to the fandom! And yeah, I’d avoid watching the survival show. It’s basically JYP (person) putting the guys through one traumatic experience after the next by constantly reminding them that he would make cuts if he felt like it. Save your mental health and just watch compilation videos of SKZ making fun of him lol ❤️

[@luvccritters2]

OKAY. i MAY HAVE CAME INTO THE STAY WORLD A LITTLE LATE, April 2022, but I did research everything about them and in no way did Chris ever state or show he did not love Woojin as much as the rest of the kids! He is just not that type of person and I am sure he still loves Woojin!! I have now found myself in a dilemma. I am a Stay all the way, but I also respect Woojins decision to go solo, I have found that he has grown so much in the past 6 years I don't know if i am a Stay or a Cub!

[@oneusforall057]

You can be both. I consider myself a StayCub. You can love Stray Kids as they are and Woojin as a soloist. Loving one doesn’t mean you can’t love the other ❤️

[@luvccritters2]

@@oneusforall057 So I must be a StayTiny Cub since SKZ, Ateez, and Woojin are the 3 that I listen to the most.

[@venusian7o176]

​​@@luvccritters2"StayTinyCub" made me squeal...it sounds so cute. Especially since you can read it out as "Stay tiny, cub." Get it? It sounds like you're telling a cub to stay tiny. To stay young. Because when you're young you're innocent. You don't know how dark the world is. Everything is moonlight and roses. So yes. Stay tiny, cub. Don't ever grow up. Well damn, did I just make a whole ass literary piece just from a multistan name. 🫥🫥 I need brain surgery.

[@trinidadfumar3025]

I LIKE WOOJIN HE IS HANDSOME BEAUTIFUL SINGER WITH A NICE VOICE AND A GOOD DANCER ,RAPPER SO THEY ARE ALL THE SAME BUT I LIKE WOOJIN THE MOST HE SINGS WELL WITH A VERY NICE VOICE TO HEAR ITS PERFECT AND WHY HE LEFT IN STRAYKIDS GROUP MY GOODNESS GO BACK WOOJIN PLEASE WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU THERE

[@rxalotus7222]

From what I have seen I would not say skz and woojin like each other because I don't know but I also wouldn't say they hate each other, whatever happened is their problem and we have literally nothing to say because it none of our business. People just need to respect skz as an Ot8 group and woojin as a soloist. All those bullying rumors are just a few videos without context, if you search a little you will notice that most of them are just boys being boys or completely misunderstood.

[@oneusforall057]

I actually think that SKZ and Woojin always did like each other. The youngest members especially looked comfortable around him. I think that it wasn’t a matter of the group not getting along that caused him to leave. I think it was either A. A difference in musical direction B. Woojin feeling like he didn’t belong (fans even started petitions to kick him out because they thought he was ugly) or C. JYPE is trash and wasn’t treating him properly.

[@diaphoni]

I'm a new stay and I can see the hurt in Chris when he spoke about Woo, however, going back and watching old content with him in it, I can't make myself hate him. I'd need to know the truth from all parties involved to even make that choice. I just want them all to be happy with their lives and do well

[@oneusforall057]

That’s what we all want. But toxic Stays won’t let anyone move on. Woojin seemingly doesn’t want to bring up anything that reminds him of Stray Kids and Chan’s not ready to move on (but probably isn’t allowed to discuss what happened because of JYP Entertainment). With that, we’ll probably never know what happened. I just wish that Woojin would be allowed to move on in peace (and maybe that’d let Bang Chan move on). Welcome to the fandom though! Hope you’re ready for the new release in like 2 weeks! ❤️

[@diaphoni]

@@oneusforall057 I think there's a lot of hurt on both sides tbh. And Chris won't 'get over it" nor will Woojin if people keep trying to drag the why behind it all out of both of them. Let them move on and heal. I'm so excited tbh, I expect Topline to be /the/ big song

[@taegiseoktrash8874]

I honestly don't know anything about the whole situation as I wasn't a fan of Stray Kids back then, but I really enjoyed that I could listen to this whole video and not watch, and clean the living room 😂😂😂

[@oneusforall057]

Thank you very much! I hope that the cleaning went well! 😊

[@daliaa.9705]

I‘m a long time Stay and I wanna talk about my experience so people can understand both sides. First of all, I completely agree that when the accusations happened, people went way too far with the d threads and all of it, he didn’t deserve all the hate and even now there are still times when he gets hate but I know there is a reason for it, doesn’t make it ok but let me at least explain what I witnessed. At the time when Woojin decided to leave the group, it was right before SKZ comeback, they even had a tour planned etc. and almost at the same time, the SA allegations also started which made everything worse. Firstly people were upset because Chan tried so hard to keep the group together, he made sure everyone could debut, he chose them, he considers them family so the reason that he left for personal reasons and then later we find out he joined another company as a solo artist, makes it look like he wanted to do this in the first place which isn’t fair on the group. Like I said, the allegations had nothing to do with that but they added to the fuel unfortunately. Not only was the comeback postponed, Stray Kids actually had to reschedule everything. Chan went on Vlive at some point and even talked about how people make mistakes and stuff but that that can happen and he basically hinted that it has something to do with Woojin so people assumed when they parted ways, it was not in a friendly way. And I kind of have to agree tbh because since then, they completely restrain themselves from ever mentioning his name and even re-recorded their entire discography, even last year there were still some songs missing which they still chose to rerecord. They always emphasize how they are 8 and you can tell that they were hurt in some way by his actions because other groups who lost a member are behaving tot’s differently like Monsta X for example. Stray Kids had to redo a lot of things even edit music videos etc. and they had an incredibly hard time. Usually a company knows in advance when someone wants to end a contract cause they already invested in the music video, songs etc. so people were assuming something serious must have happened for them to let him go like that. Nowadays I see people get upset at him because apparently there were instances where he used his group name for attention, whether that’s true or not, Idk if those tweets were faked and I don’t have them saved but most people actually don’t want to associate with him anymore, just like Stray Kids but even the media still calls him by his group name, even though it’s been so long now. I just know there were multiple instances that made people upset, apparently he also used the SA instance as a way to market himself, not saying that’s true or not, I‘m just stating what I saw that made people upset. In conclusion, the hate definitely went out of line, it was poorly handled by JYP cause they were to vague with their statement why he left which made people assume things, the timing was totally off, the allegations added to it but to a certain degree I can understand where Stays where coming from, they saw Stray Kids hurt so they were hurting too. These days it’s honestly a lot different, ofc there are still toxic people but for the most part people want nothing to do with him, I also see Stays calling other Stays out when they keep bringing him up. Most Stays know that back then the fans went too far, but they still can’t look past the fact that Stray Kids and Woojin don‘t have a good relationship or even a relationship at all anymore so they know something is wrong and that’s why most people don’t feel a reason to like him. I personally think even if he did something, he deserves to be happy and not haunted by his past mistakes. Nobody is perfect and we don’t know for sure what happened. He is a different person now who follows a different path so I‘m personally not interested in his work but I still wish him the best. I hope nobody is offended, I understand both sides even though I was in the middle of it.

[@daliaa.9705]

also them re-recording their songs that’s not true cause other idols from JYP didn’t do that either, barely anyone does that cause if you’ve been in the industry for 7 years and someone leaves, you also can’t re-record the entire thing so to me it’s not just that they don’t wanna pay Woojin anymore. Also it’s the Vlive that I mentioned and the behavior of the members overall which is a lot more than the 0T8 picture, that’s where the hate is coming from, in case you‘re wondering. I agree that there are things we don’t know about but I think it’s more than that.

[@oneusforall057]

Let’s address some things: 1. He’s never used Stray Kids’ name for publicity 2. He never used SA to promote himself. Like I said in the video, he said that he was too busy working on solo projects to be out, socializing in bars. It was originally mistranslated to something along the lines of “I’m busy right now with my solo promotions” and people thought he was promoting himself. The second instance was that his company posted a teaser image with the original accusation tweets. Many people (myself included actually) thought it was for his debut. But no, it was for the documentary that 10x Entertainment (his company) had put together. They were promoting the documentary. Not Woojin’s music. But Stays and antis don’t care. They still try pushing the false narrative that he used SA to promote himself when that couldn’t be further from the truth. 3. Both 2PM and Day6 has rerecorded songs in their discography. And I wouldn’t be surprised if NMIXX does too in the future. This is hardly something that only Stray Kids has done. But people treat it as if it’s exclusively something that SKZ has.

[@daliaa.9705]

@@oneusforall057 like I said, that might be true but the average person can’t see that. Why does false information run so quickly and can ruin someone? Because people on the internet believe everything, no matter if it’s true or not. The fans behaviors was wrong but they just ran with what they saw. It’s their fault but also the companies and the way things have been addressed. Everyday SKZ is getting dragged through the mudd, especially Chan, it was to a point where Stays kept to themselves and Chan was just doing his normal Vlive and still got attacked for no reason. I think fans are so sensitive now because of so much unprovoked hate. They saw what Chan went through and so it’s like they are hurt and they can’t let it happen again. All I‘m saying is, I see these situations happening on Twitter everyday because people say things that are not true but unfortunately that’s what happens. Ofc it’s toxic but it’s almost normalized now. I think we should learn from what happened but at the same time you can’t really prevent these things from happen again because that’s the way people on the internet act in general.

[@LaurenPebble]

@@daliaa.9705 to my knowledge, the majority of hate skz and especially Bang Chan got was from his own fans, hating him for ‘not keeping the group together’. It wasn’t outside hate, it was from within the fandom. Basically every reason you described as to why stays hate/hated Woojin is just stays being petty and lacking critical thinking skills/empathy essentially. Like, rather than putting their devices down and removing themselves from the private lives of people they don’t know personally, they enmeshed themselves in something that was honestly know of their business, and made up false allegations to make Woojin look bad so that they could justify their hatred of him. Everyone that was involved in it needs therapy, for real. Incredibly unhealthy coping mechanisms that aren’t just related to kpop.

[@gee9883]

@@LaurenPebblethe false allegations made it worse. & the fact that it was a group of antis from Brazil that planned it. I’m glad they’re taking legal actions but these defamation cases take too long especially if it’s an international case.

[@NPKR7241]

Here in comments people only talking about chan being hurt but I will tell something that my boy woojin had gone through nothing less than hell! He is the strongest I am so proud of him

[@jadesweetbutton]

THANK YOU!! Woojin is never seen as a person. Just some tool to make SKZs life better. 😒

[@NPKR7241]

@@jadesweetbutton what do you even mean??

[@jadesweetbutton]

@P World that anytime people talk about Woojin, they speak about him like he's not a person. They talk like his only function is to make other people happy. They never think about him as a person and his feelings.

[@NPKR7241]

@@jadesweetbutton true I really want people to know what the hell woojin has gone through poor soul he was all alone

[@cerulean_dreams0]

Stays will always believe that Bang Chan is a worthy and good human being and deserves all of his dreams to come true. Meanwhile, Woojin is viewed as the villain because he dared to be unhappy and dissatisfied with his career trajectory. He derserves everything awful and worse according to them. Stays don’t see him as a human being. All of their empathy is for their villain leader

[@elenapicco1412]

i clicked the video and because of the title i was ready to write a paragraph, i’m glad this wasn’t one those hateful baseless videos on a member that left the group almost 4 years ago and never again interacted publicly, cause i’m tired, i wasn’t even a stay when he left nor do i follow him as a solo artist but dayum stays need to leave that man alone i agree with everything you said, i personally believe woojin, chan and the others kids promised each other to stay together till the end so when woojin left, chan may have felt betrayed (in a vlive without mentioning his name he basically said it himself) however woojin had every right to take such a decision for whatever was his reason and chan has every right to be hurt and even if he was/is still resentful it’s none of our business, as a fan you can choose to support skz or woojin, both or none of them but constantly making woojin the villain and throwing hate is stupid af cause none of us know the entire truth. edit: the skz survival show was literally made just to traumatise them all so the fans could sympathise, cause ain’t no way jyp hadn’t already decided to debut them all

[@oneusforall057]

Sorry about that lol I wanted the title to bring in the people that need to hear this (ie the toxic Stays that got triggered by a clock) more so than those that I think are already aware of the situation and what probably happen.

[@NingKook_]

It's just an hypothese but i think that a big factor of him leaving is the musical direction that taked stray kids. He is a good vocalist and was the strongest and by far in the group (He was an SM trainee and is one of the strongests male vocalists of the 4th gen) the fact that he couldn't shine due to the stray kids being more more dance and rap oriented, and more than that we know JYP don't give solo stuff that easily. I don't know what happen but i can just assume that Woojin propbably discussed about this issue that he had with BangChan (and problably also with JYP) But the answer didn't please him. The hint that make me think about that is when Bangchan hint that in the VLive he was angry about Woojin leaving, he accused indirectly Woojin about being selfish and betrayal. I don't think that have something with JYP because Bangchan probably would support him or at least he wouldn't that angry if it was the case. Also if my hypothses is good i think Bangchan could have foreseen vocal unit or some vocal focus title tracks to try to satisfy him or at least give him a reason to stay. And for the rest i totally agree with you. But there a question that i'm curious about: why JYP left Woojin/Jinny leaving that easily, especially that both are skilled ? i mean it's a good thing and maybe it's the agency politic, but usually Kpop agences invest money on training their artists and don't let them go that easily.

[@wywrd_mtnt]

jyp has a special policy about leaving the company, they prefer to let ppl go quietly rather than make a big scandal in order for those people to still be able to work in the industry after

[@NingKook_]

@@wywrd_mtnt wise policy

[@oneusforall057]

It is strange that the company supposedly let go of then easily. However, we have to remember that these companies base the majority of their decisions on monetary gain. If Woojin/Jinni could pay of their debts, if their debts were forgiven, if the groups could thrive well enough without them, etc. Then the company is going to let then go without as much of a fight. And given that Woojin was the least popular member of the group, I’m sure JYPE didn’t see his departure as a loss. With Jinni, it was probably because NMIXX was so soon into their careers that it didn’t feel like the fandom was as attached to an OT7 lineup as they otherwise would be after 2, 3, 4, … years. But ultimately, we never know what led to letting go of these idols for what seemingly were simple reasons.

[@wywrd_mtnt]

@@oneusforall057 jyp doesn't have a debt system either, they just let them go quietly without a court case and conceal the reasons they let them go in the first place so they can still have a place in the industry if they choose to return

[@oneusforall057]

@@wywrd_mtnt So there goes another part of the “it’s so difficult to get out of contracts” argument. I don’t pay much attention to which companies absolve the debt after an idol debuts. But if JYPE is one of them, then that just means it was even easier for him to leave as he didn’t owe anything to the company.

[@andieamigu5214]

Being an idol seems so hard, seriously

[@OOO000lll]

I agree with your guess. I can mostly understand Bangchan, Woojin, and JYP... But, It's crazy that 7kids are prohibited from producing voice.

[@oneusforall057]

It’s actually not that crazy to me. Since JYPE’s new policy is that they label all idol departures as “For personal reasons”, there’s probably a privacy rule that no current idols are allowed to say anything about the situation. And I’m sure that the company filters out all questions pertaining to Woojin in interviews. So yeah, it’s more likely than not that the other members aren’t allowed to discuss things without Woojin’s permission. Or who knows? Maybe they’ll just following Bang Chan’s lead? We very likely will never know. And we have to learn to accept that (as difficult as it is).

[@ChantelStays]

I feel like there are a lot of toxic stays... Toxic.. crazy... Emotionally immature Stans Personally I adore skz and Woojin equally. What happened to Woojin is completely unacceptable. For context I don't listen to any other kpop but I am a die hard cub and stay forever. EDIT: I lied. I just started listening to ateez. Lol 😆

[@christianebretschneider5346]

It is general information with everything that goes with it.JYP statement: Kim Woojin left Stray Kids for personal reasons. And personal reasons are personal reasons . He doesn't have to reveal it. It's his decision whether he does it or not. And he doesn't do it. Of course it will be discussed with JYP. Kim Woojin and Stray Kids sorted this out between themselves from the start. Nobody leaves a group without talking to each other about it. And without apologizing. But Kim Woojin doesn't have to reveal the reason publicly if he doesn't want to.The Kim Woojin rumours and accusations surfaced after Kim Woojin's departure. These rumours and accusations (He is innocent on all counts) have nothing to do with JYP/Stray Kids and Kim Woojin. Kim Woojin wasn't kicked out. Kim Woojin didn't break any JYP rules. Kim Woojin did not commit a breach of contract. Kim Woojin's departure from JYP was normal. He was the a main singer. He was there also a composer. He was there also lyricist. He has co-written and composed songs at Stray Kids. Info: If Kim Woojin wants to leave the group. JYP decides when Kim Woojin is leaving the group. JYP determine when the appropriate time is is to leave the group. Not Kim Woojin. Everyone should know that for . Everything depends on JYP. If the timing was bad for the Stray Kids fans/STAYs, you need to show your displeasure to JYP, not Kim Woojin. In every music company there is a duty of confidentiality in all things for 5 - 6 years after leaving the music company. Of course, this also includes the concerns of the music group you were in. Music companies have rules that say you can only mention someone indirectly. Without a name. The rules of the music companies are adhered to. At JYP only indirect video. It be just as with Kustomade music company. There are more rules, but that would be too long. It is very important to at least know the rules that are my written down, at least in certain things.

[@mspd377]

The STAYS that Busted Woojin are not real Stays, their purpose is to disband Stray Kids ..they will do that one by one to other member till Stray Kids totally disbanded....I call them **FAKE STAY*** **GrannY@70**. ❤️🇵🇭

[@christianebretschneider5346]

There are a lot of (toxic) STAYs/(toxic) Sray Kids fans. If someone told me they didn't exist, Bang Chan (Changbin, Han) wouldn't have to make anti-hate videos. And there are a lot of sneaky fans. toxic STAYs /toxic Stray Kids fans damage the reputation of true STAYs/Stray Kids fans. Real Stray Kids fans/STAYs leave Kim Woojin alone. Real STAYs/Stray Kids fans leave the band members alone. Every band member is treated with (a lot of) anti-sympathy and with (a lot of) hate in one way or another in one way or another. This can destroy a group. I love everyone as they are in everything. Also in their achievements and their ability in everything. From the beginning. I am a real STAY/Stray Kids fan since 2017. I have been a Kim Woojin fan since 2017. I am also a CUB. I am neutral. Quite a few want Hyunjin to leave the group. If Stray Kids fans/STAYs don't know about it, that's sad. Some even want Lee Know out of the group now. If ( toxic) STAYs/(toxic) Stray Kids fans and band member anti fans keep doing this, there will soon be only 7 band members left. Or 6. Who knows. It's cruel to watch ( toxic) STAYs/(toxic) Stray Kids fans and band member anti fans destroy Stray Kids with their pathetic behavior. Only this way: Kim Woojin was there also a composer. Kim Woojin there also lyricist. He has co-written and composed songs at Stray Kids. What I also mean by this information is that band members also write lyrics and compose. ( toxic) STAYs/(toxic) Stray Kids fans and band member anti fans destroy a lot more than you think. No ( toxic) STAYs/(toxic) Stray Kids fans and band member anti fans even takes the feelings of all group members into account.

[@deborahtodd4720]

I agree that Channie still miss Woojin.

[@marwaessaadi]

I feel like Bangchan doesn't easily open up because he doesn't want to feel like a burden to people and mostly when said people are people he should himself, as he gave himself the responsibility as the leader and the "father", take care of. Woojin was the only member that was older to him, similar to a pillar and maybe he confided in him, told him all of his burdens but the fact that he went away felt like a betrayal, so much so that he closed up more. And about what you said, he might as well have abandonment issues... Sometimes I get scared for Bangchan's mental health because you have to be much more than just strong to support your problems etc... the problems of the group, of each members then be the therapists of your fans. He is an empath to a point where it's scary because he just take in the negativity of others I feel. He knows what so much things feel like and wouldn't want other people to feel the same. He literally, even if he didn't want to get close to nobody after seeing people come and go, took Felix and Lily under his wings because he knew what it felt like to be a foreigner who didn't speak Korean and alone without your family. He didn't want them to feel the same. He hates himself, so he does EVERYTHING to make people love themselves. He feels this way, he would do ANYTHING to make that other person not feel that same way and to be that pillar to that person whether he knows them or not and he just has that loyal energy to him I feel... where if he gives his trust to you, he would do everything to you if you keep it (the trust) safe with you. I was joking with my friend that he was the type of guy to literally cover up a crime you did like a m*rd*r and actually go to the police to tell them that it was his doing. Anyhow, it's 5 AM, I still haven't slept so this are just my opinion and PURE speculation so don't take my words as something serious. I might as well totally be wrong about him but it's just the vibe he gives off imo

[@oneusforall057]

Haha We always appreciate any input around here! No matter how sleep deprived it may be lol But yeah, Chan is definitely a people pleaser. And I think speaking into the void that is “Chan’s Room” as opposed to having a person right in front of him probably makes it easier to express his feelings as the ambiguity of it all makes it feel less burdensome. I just hope that the guy’s okay. He clearly needs more support than he’s currently receiving.

[@thisSTAYisastray]

This might be my own opinion but, i understand what you are trying to say so please everyone dont hate on this youtuber but i do think Bangchan doesnt HATE woojin, i just dont think he likes being reminded or Woojin being in straykids or used to be anyways. Its just the same with woojin often ignore or stop peope about asking him about skz related questions especially in his live. I feel like Straykids relation ship with woojin is kind of like how if u used to have an ex bestfriend, we might not know 100% what happen with woojin and skz, but to say that Bangchan hates Woojin is a very strong statement since just like hyunjin and some other members right after woojin left, he cried and also maybe he doesnt hate woojin just doesnt want stay to keep nagging him abt woojin and same with woojin aswell. I hope this makes sense, and no hate towards this youtuber or straykids or woojin this is just my opinion. :D

[@oneusforall057]

Exactly. I don’t think that Bang Chan hates Woojin. I think he hates being reminded of the fact that one of his closest friends is no longer in the group with him (probably because Stays petitioned for Woojin to be kicked out and because JYPE forced Woojin to only eat corn so that he’d lose weight). Whenever Woojin is brought up in any capacity towards the other members, there aren’t any issues. Seungmin’s actually promoted an OST that Woojin sang a track on. All nine of them just want to move on with their lives instead of living in a pat that’s nearly 4 years old. Of course we’ll never know what happened. I’m just sick of people saying that Woojin was kicked out and that he was awful to the members. Nothing supports those arguments. Woojin has had a solo career since 2021 and Stray Kids have seen nothing but massive success since 2019/2020. Both should be allowed to live their dreams in peace. Sorry for ranting lol ❤️

[@thisSTAYisastray]

@@oneusforall057 Noo dont worry i get it so much! and im so glad u get what i meant. i almost agree with everything u just said to be honest. Im not sure but im pretty sure that in one of the 3rachas vlives someone brought woojin up and bangchan actually said something good about his music and explained about the situations to baby stays, but it is quite old so i kinda forgot. i just think its a bit sad how stays either blames Chan or Woojin for what happen and thats sooo not okay :< thank you for understanding me, us stays :D

[@venusian7o176]

​@@oneusforall057Hol' up - Seungmin promoted an OST? Can I know which one? You know, this kinda settled for me that it's Chan who has negative feelings with Woojin, and only him. Well, I'm not saying it's a fact. We'll never know. But here's what I've seen: every thing negative said against Woojin comes from Chan and only Chan. That doesn't mean Chan is always against Woojin either. Look at the anti-hate video. JYPE has never done something like that before. Chan must have fought for it - fought to do an anti-hate LIVE for Woojin's sake. But then there are the other members. Seungmin. Twice now. In one of his LIVES, someone asked him to touch his cheek if he missed Woojin and he complied. He didn't ignore the comment. And now I hear he's promoted an OST. Hyunjin. In the Two Kids Room he had with Woojin, the latter talks about a trip he went on, all alone. Hyunjin expressed a desire to go on a trip all alone himself. Years later, Hyunjin did go on such a trip - and his shirt had a bear on it. Of course, this might be a coincidence, but I'm just putting it out here. And in that one interview, where Woojin goes out of his way to talk about rumours at the end. A lot of people suspect he was talking about Hyunjin. I guess this means there really isn't any bad blood between them. Jeongin. Jeongin has hinted and stated multiple times (when they were OT9) that Woojin was his favourite hyung. After Woojin had left, in an interview (unfortunately, I cannot remember the name at the moment), IN was asked who his favourite hyung was. His response was vague: I don't think he's here. I don't know what he's referring to, but I have my suspicions.

[@oneusforall057]

@@venusian7o176 I can’t remember off the top of my head. But I believe Seungmin either promoted Reborn Rich or King The Land on his IG story. Both have a song from Woojin on them. So, if he hated Woojin so much, why would he promote a show affiliated with Woojin? If I hated someone that much, I wouldn’t be able to stomach consuming products associated with them.

[@AngSu]

Some people just love drama…. Let the men live for fk sake 😞 at this point I think people are just dumping their daily frustrations on idols by hating them

[@multistanhere]

wantis on twt are really so embarassing 💀

[@wiktoriamajewska4146]

Tbh about stays, the funny thing is that probably most stays thats bashing him probably werent in the fandom when he were in the group, we must remember that Stray Kids growth was really big after he left. Im a stay since 2019 (Side Effects) and i decided that i will stay as ot8, i dont really care for Woojin, it didnt sit right with me as a fan that he left in the middle between album comeback and Double Knot (single), but im gonna judge him, just dont care for him, since i dont think that he was a key member to a group after time passed. I think that Stray Kids are better as 8 and i think their chemistry also got better with time. But the hate he got especially form newer stays is ridiculous

[@oneusforall057]

Exactly. I believe that Woojin didn’t match SKZ’s concept and the group works better as 8. I don’t think that he would’ve suited Back Door and maybe not God’s Menu (ie, their eras where the group really took off). So, it’d shock me if all of the hate that he receives is strictly from Stays that joined the fandom in 2019 or earlier.

[@LaurenPebble]

Whatever the reason behind Woojin leaving, it was definitely the right choice for both him and Stray Kids. Woojin just didn’t fit the group’s concept/sound. When I heard his solo music for the first time I was shocked because I didn’t know just how good a singer he was. He never really had a chance to showcase his exceptional vocals in Stray Kids. And Stray Kids have really found their identity after his departure. It almost feels like when he was a member they all wanted to be following one sound/concept except him, because their music during that period is far less cohesive than it is since he left. The only bad thing to come out of him leaving the group is all the hate both him and Bang Chan received.

[@philosynfonie7307]

I absolutely agree, I became a Stay like a month before the "I am WHO" comeback. Woojin leaving hurt my heart and I took a little break from engaging with Stray Kids content cause it made me sad. Then later when the whole thing with the accusations happened I did what I mostly do when something of that sort happens: I read and tried to find out what was going on and when I couldn't because there was so much information floating around and it was causing me anxiety I again took a step back from it all. I didn't comment or post my takes on a situation I didn't know the real details off and I just let it be, hoping that if something bad did happen the justice system would find it out. After a while I got back to supporting Stray Kids OT8 and largely ignored Woojin. And then later after a while I saw a video or post about his situation and I basically layed the topic there to rest for me. I don't hate him or even dislike him, I also don't watch his solo stuff. I have unfollowed a few Stay-Creators on Tiktok because the still kept up the Woojn slander, despite allegations being proven wrong. I wish that those harassing Stays would stop all of that behavior because they are making the kpop experience so much worse for cubs and for the majority of Stays that just want to focus on the present and future. I will never understand it. Why do some people take so much effort to go out of their way and fill the world with more hate, when they could instead spend their time loving something else. Seriously, indifference instead of active hatred costs you nothing.

[@LaurenPebble]

@@philosynfonie7307 I love the end of your comment. I say stuff like that to trolls and haters all the time - that they’re going out of their way to use energy on being gross human beings when they could just not comment - and they absolutely hate it. You’re so right and I wish more people would just stop and think about if what they’re saying is actually necessary or if they’re being needlessly mean/hateful.

[@ayapalerme5870]

I was never a stay, but I clearly remember how his own fandom spread lies and hates towards him ! We should never never never forget about the bullies era of straykid fans ! I hope Woojin will receive excuses from his bulllies : stay fandom ! And stray kid members as well as JYP ENT should take responsabilities in that mess ! Humans are so disgusting ! 🤢

[@jadesweetbutton]

Thank you!!! Stray Kids and JYPE have a huge responsibility in this. Chan was petty and it quite literally almost cost Woojin his life.

[@GUAGA0612]

@@jadesweetbutton finally someone said it, it’s ridiculously problematic and childish for c to act this way even in 2023, coming from an ex fan of him since debut who went to several of their fansign since predebut, I’m truly disappointed.

[@jadesweetbutton]

@Gant Lieux The amount of excuses people make for it, when it's just the truth that C acted childishly and maliciously.

[@STAY_K1DS_143]

He doesn’t hate him. He’s upset still because he left though.