The REAL Reason Why CS:GO Pros Use Low Mouse Sensitivity

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Жыл бұрын

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CS:GO pros tend to use much lower mouse sensitivities compared to other games. We'll show you why, and how you can leverage sensitivity to perform at your maximum potential.
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@Whateverworkz
@Whateverworkz 7 ай бұрын
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@Whateverworkz 7 ай бұрын
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@Whateverworkz 7 ай бұрын
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@HahNope
@HahNope 6 ай бұрын
Man
@oscarkim7872
@oscarkim7872 Жыл бұрын
I am a long time CS player and Voltaic Grandmaster, honestly this is the first non-BS video on aiming AND CS I see on KZbin. Please do more videos.
@OfficialRefrag
@OfficialRefrag 11 ай бұрын
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@ludwig8562
@ludwig8562 10 ай бұрын
what was your launch options for cs 1.6 ?
@wildshotman6407
@wildshotman6407 6 ай бұрын
secrets of an old man cs player 😂 we were from cs beta 😔
@josefwurzel5072
@josefwurzel5072 6 ай бұрын
Heh, me too 😅
@woot672
@woot672 6 ай бұрын
​@@josefwurzel5072ye sure, you're all ex pros here.
@sidewaysfcs0718
@sidewaysfcs0718 Жыл бұрын
"Muscle menory" is not a myth, it's a misnomer. It should be called "synaptic reinforcement". If you play with the exact same sensitivity for years, it becomes extremely intuitive to aim and very hard to switch to anything else and regain consistency. Your brain makes more synapses to strengthen connections and pathways that you favor by training.
@ryasco
@ryasco Жыл бұрын
so muscle memory. don't try and church it up to sound smart bub.
@iamrydar
@iamrydar Жыл бұрын
fun fact if you aim train the situations you've adapted from prior years on a different sense it only takes about an hour to have the same development on a new sense. although this can change for a lot of people I always noticed that when I changed my sense and trained once with it im good to go!
@runek100
@runek100 Жыл бұрын
Pros changing sens all the time, you just need little time to get used to it
@Bassalicious
@Bassalicious Жыл бұрын
I think both sides have valid arguments. With precision aim you fine-tune what you see on screen which doesn't require you to instinctively know your mouse sens as much as flicking or navigating when blinded for example. I'd go so far as to bet there's a clear difference in how well "muscle memory" translates across different sensitivities between those scenarios.
@cristianjuarez1086
@cristianjuarez1086 Жыл бұрын
I guess you could use complex words such as "synaptic" or just call it muscle memory
@shammy__
@shammy__ 9 ай бұрын
Wait, that green area explanation opened up my mind so much!! I’m a high sens player and I didn’t realise I had such a small window of movement like you described. Nice vid! Subbed
@MrLagzy
@MrLagzy Жыл бұрын
playing with sensitivity of 1 and DPI of 500, my 360 in CM is 83.13. I also have a giant mousepad and it feels natural to me to play with such a low sensitivity. the part at 1:33 and foward about "window to hit target" is something i've been talking to friends about where the lower your sensitivity is the bigger the target window on your mouse movement. Nice to see it in a video.
@Bassalicious
@Bassalicious Жыл бұрын
I'd say it totally depends on your play style and personal preference. Entry fraggers need to clear lots of angles very quickly whereas support players hold a single angle more often. Then again there's pro players as living evidence out there that doesn't always have to be the case either. But there definitely are thresholds where the pros outweigh the cons in both directions. Infinite precision is just as unnecessary as infinite mobility. I've played from 0.85/800dpi (61cm/360°) up to 2/1200dpi (17/360°) (might've been higher still don't remember exactly) and found a happy medium at 1.15/800dpi (45cm/360°) which I'm playing for years now.
@dagotowka9191
@dagotowka9191 Жыл бұрын
I just did it and found out mine is 7.4 cm
@denisgaganov8405
@denisgaganov8405 Жыл бұрын
My eDpi is 2400 was playing with 1800 eDpi but it's to low for me, can't check many spots in a glimpse of an eye
@tomasgogashvily5350
@tomasgogashvily5350 Жыл бұрын
@@denisgaganov8405 Most high-ranking players on Faceit or mm (who arent cheating) end up playing with low sensitivity. It's to have greater control over your aim, as it displaces itself.
@denisgaganov8405
@denisgaganov8405 Жыл бұрын
@@tomasgogashvily5350 I've meant that it's completely comfortable for me to give insane taps at 3k elo lobbies
@samueljacobson470
@samueljacobson470 11 ай бұрын
My first FPS on Mouse and Keyboard was CSGO, and I used to play with a heavy mouse. When I switched to a lightweight mouse I lowered my sensitivity to adjust to the ease of movement, so when I started playing other FPS games I found that I still prefer lower sensitivity
@darkhan19
@darkhan19 10 ай бұрын
Since you try to headshot in every game😅
@ct3688
@ct3688 7 ай бұрын
this is by far the best sens explanation, good job!
@Crittek
@Crittek 6 ай бұрын
This is a good point but another thing to consider is how games typically play. Hardly ever will you get caught off guard and need a very large flick to compensate. This is mostly due to map design and team play.
@rajamotivation4801
@rajamotivation4801 6 ай бұрын
Phenomenal video, nothing but good stuff and directly to the point! Keep up the great work man!
@ConfusedGeriatric
@ConfusedGeriatric 6 ай бұрын
Basically lower sens is always better because it gives you much more room for error, but for some games having the sens too low is not viable due to how much you need to look around. Arena shooters like overwatch require being able to flick across larger angles so the sens needs to be higher to do this quickly. CS is all about holding angles or peeking around corners checking one spot at a time, so most of the time you only need about ~60 degrees of movement at most (usually much less 15-30).
@TheWitcherX
@TheWitcherX 6 ай бұрын
And yet there's plenty of cs pros playing with high sens woxic, f0rest, rallen, maden, s1mple, to name a few play what you like, it really doesn't matter
@mugennnnn
@mugennnnn 5 ай бұрын
and because of that I need to train and master my aim with both low sens (for CS) and high sens (for TF2) lol
@darkmagiciansels5833
@darkmagiciansels5833 11 ай бұрын
Long story short, low sens is good for precision, and it is as simple as that, for pro plays you don't need to do 360 flick shots often since everyone is responsible for 1 small area to hold, and if someone is in your side or behind you, he will headshot you before you turn no matter what sens you use since that he is a pro player too.
@who7126
@who7126 7 ай бұрын
And no one is talking about it ... (High sens, high reward in Competition games. Less HS% but more flexible to the game) You are sooooo right brother 🙏
@burgler0984
@burgler0984 7 ай бұрын
​@@who7126not really. You have low sensitivity because you should have good cross hair placement. If you need a high sensitivity for tons of flicks, you probably have the crosshair placement of a retard. It's not high risk high reward
@Hectorplaying
@Hectorplaying 6 ай бұрын
Yyy... NO?!
@mirandacosgrove472
@mirandacosgrove472 Жыл бұрын
I've been using that last tip you showed with the fingers for years! great advice!
@7eis
@7eis Жыл бұрын
Nobody ever talks about static vs dynamic resistance. Low res essentially keeps more of your movement in the dynamic range vs high res where you go from static to on target real quick
@cheffman7127
@cheffman7127 Жыл бұрын
Wtf does this mean
@republicinthepolitics
@republicinthepolitics Жыл бұрын
@@cheffman7127 pretty sure he is talking about dynamic vs static aiming. It’s basically flicking versus drag aiming. High sens players usually flick and move in straight lines from target to target, whilst low sens players use a more “flowy” dynamic movement when going from target to target. This is also why its so fun to watch someone like M0nesy and so boring to watch someone like Tenz aim. Not throwing shade at Tenz what so ever, just saying that aim wise its more exciting to watch higher sens players
@phanminhchau2002
@phanminhchau2002 Жыл бұрын
@@republicinthepolitics monesy is at the average csgo pro sens though at 2x400
@skatefast10202
@skatefast10202 Жыл бұрын
@@phanminhchau2002 Monesy was just an example. Look at s1mple, he has 400dpi and 3.09 sens.
@Arcticun
@Arcticun 6 ай бұрын
@@republicinthepolitics It's kind of interesting how you chose m0nesy and Tenz for this comparison. During his CSGO stint, Tenz mainly played at 1 sens with 800dpi. M0nesy plays with 2 sens at 400dpi. Which means they use the exact same sensitivity. High or low sens have nothing to do with aiming style. F0rest has a higher sensitivity than s1mple, yet he looks as smooth as Niko when aiming.
@5thdimensionzstudios525
@5thdimensionzstudios525 6 ай бұрын
Finally someone uses a distance measurement on the mousepad for a 360 to represent mouse sensitivity i'm so tired of having to do dpi/sens calculations when trying to find what someone uses
@RiddleTime
@RiddleTime 6 ай бұрын
A proper video, less than 5 minutes, no clickbait, just straight forward information. Good job!
@ShortyScientific
@ShortyScientific 6 ай бұрын
no clickbait? lol....its all about spray control and HS priority - THATS ALL
@Maketoru
@Maketoru 6 ай бұрын
​@@ShortyScientificWell he said why pro uses it, how is that clickbait? Just think before commenting
@ShortyScientific
@ShortyScientific 6 ай бұрын
he said " THE REAL REASON " there is no real reason....it has always been like this. spray control and headshot priority in CS since halflife mod@@Maketoru
@keppycs
@keppycs 5 ай бұрын
@@ShortyScientific show me a clip of you using 20 sens 1600 dpi hitting 100% hs and perfect sprays. oh wait that's impossible. it very much matters, but definitely not as much as people make it out to be
@Overlycomplicatedswede
@Overlycomplicatedswede 7 ай бұрын
I’m a MG ranked player and for anyone who hasn’t watched a csgo mouse cam video you should it will reveal how many extremely tiny adjustments me we make to our crosshair placement in a fight we also love aim training maps and spray control maps (if we aren’t in a match we are probably in one of those maps practicing with a new gun or polishing up on arguably the hardest part of csgo which is spray control on moving targets
@aszriel_
@aszriel_ 11 ай бұрын
I hesitated to do a an aim tutorial a long time ago because I noticed so many things and especially those stuff you're saying. I tested many different sens throughout my 8 years. If I had to do an aim tutorial I'll for sure, link to your video to the video for sure as a reference
@Hectorplaying
@Hectorplaying 6 ай бұрын
Okay Its been 4 months. Are You posted video like You says?
@Sumowning
@Sumowning 6 ай бұрын
"Muscle memory for a sensitivity is a myth" That's a whole load of bullsh*t, constantly changing your mouse sensitivity will absolutely screw you over
@Crallux
@Crallux 6 ай бұрын
Yes, I agree with most of the video, but muscle memory is a factor but you can adapt. If you change 0.5 to 0.75 your movement will not be the same. In fact we did some similar tests during my study by changing the amplitude of pilot inputs on an aircraft. The pilots needed some time to adapt but unless you went extreme, they adapted quickly.
@alexvitov6476
@alexvitov6476 6 ай бұрын
This is true for veteran players. I remember when i started to play, I constantly decreased sensitivity over time, went too low, increased it a bit, went back and forth and only some time later found one that suits me.
@Hai2021
@Hai2021 Ай бұрын
It takes about one Week to get the same aiming with new sense.
@MaybeShimo
@MaybeShimo 11 ай бұрын
I thought I recognized that claw grip at the end when I first saw it. Been called a cheater a few times for how well that's managed to let me flick 90 degrees between 2 head shots lol.
@Bassalicious
@Bassalicious Жыл бұрын
Hold up. I've just calculated my sens (1.15/800dpi) to be 45cm/360°. My mousepad measures out at exactly 45cm wide. That's pretty much exactly a 180 in either direction from centre position. That makes so much sense and I'm pretty sure I didn't set that up knowingly.
@Kuraiser
@Kuraiser Жыл бұрын
You probably did that by feeling which is good
@tinychamberz
@tinychamberz 8 ай бұрын
i like 45cm also ^^ im mostly slower than that tho
@ashishbhatt3467
@ashishbhatt3467 6 ай бұрын
I totally get what this video wants to convey. I trained for low sens in CS 1.6 but my aim messed up for CSGO later because I switched to Call of Duty. COming back to CSGO, I had to put sensitivity as max. I sucked hard there and practiced a lot before I can feel comfortable at sens around 3
@anon515
@anon515 5 ай бұрын
if you want to literally never need to change sensitivity use woxics edpi of 2400 or 800dpi at 3 in game, it works for accuracy and speed in any game regardless of how fast paced it is
@davidcrum779
@davidcrum779 8 ай бұрын
This content is gold 🥇 thank you so much
@justin-hurd
@justin-hurd 6 ай бұрын
riddle me this fragman, should you use or should you not use, zoom sens that isn't 1? i'm talking KennyS's 1.1 zoom sens, the weird super long 0.1894675309 or whatever zoom sens, or mine at 1.25, while playing 0.176 (making my scope and ads 0.22) ? i know val and cs handle scoping in differently, so can this be vaiable in both, or one over the other?
@SynchroFPS
@SynchroFPS 6 ай бұрын
yeah muscle memory is a myth but you still have to properly warm up to a new sens. And going too far outside of a decent range could require massive changes in your ergonomics to achieve decent aim, example: haksal in overwatch.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios Жыл бұрын
That close to/far from the crosshair is something I also noticed. In a different, unrelated game I noticed that changing FOV would also mean the edge of the screen is further out. So a flick on someone who is just in view is different depending on the FOV. On high FOV the flick would need a greater movement. And in general I wouldn't say there is any "perfect sens", just a range that is advantageous for a game. In CS that range just happen to be much lower. If there was just one true sens, everyone would use that. But even the pros are spread across that "pro range"
@Zoddom
@Zoddom 11 ай бұрын
Ofc youll always have to move further like that because you can see more, thats the hole point of using high fov. How is that a revelation for you? Edit: or are you an Osu player lol
@valitsemllaluokanavahyvaks3556
@valitsemllaluokanavahyvaks3556 Жыл бұрын
I recently got a new mouse that is 18grams lighter so i had to lower my sens from 800DPI*1.8=1440eDPI down to 800*1.6=1280eDPI. Old mouse was 108grams, new mouse is 90grams. I was playing really crappy with the lighter mouse til i realized i had to lower my sens cuz the lighter mouse takes much less effort to move.
@1ns1ght_l1
@1ns1ght_l1 Жыл бұрын
I got heavier mouse (switched from 78 to 102) and it felt S L O W. I realised i had to increase sensitivity
@wisetank135
@wisetank135 Жыл бұрын
still quite fast , pros use usually around 900 eDPI, I use 800*1.32
@Bassalicious
@Bassalicious Жыл бұрын
That's so true, I'm only realizing now that mouse weight influences what sens feels best. I honestly thought the lighter the mouse the better. I use 1.15/800dpi (45cm/360°) and my mouse weighs 105g but it's on its way out. Curious to see how a new mouse will feel.
@denisgaganov8405
@denisgaganov8405 Жыл бұрын
I got 74g mouse and 2400 eDpi, can't imagine how you all playing 1000 eDpi feels way to slow
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios Жыл бұрын
The thing is, the lighter mouse will give less resistance to movement. That can be both good and bad. It is harder to move it accidentally, but also harder to move it on purpose. It will give a harder time to get it moving, but easier to keep it where it is.
@SHAAADOWWW794
@SHAAADOWWW794 Жыл бұрын
tbh in pro cs go, croshair placement is most important , and people also straife with A and D and just hold their crosshair still
@Bassalicious
@Bassalicious Жыл бұрын
That is a hard habit to get rid of though. I pretty much exclusively aimed long range taps with strafing and it made my strafing patterns so predictable that I got clapped all the time if I didn't hit the first shot. Crosshair placement is 50% of aim in CS, very true.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's rather rare to get jumped form the back, and if it happens, you already did a wrong thing much earlier. Crosshair placement and recoil management.
@irsanysrigede2995
@irsanysrigede2995 7 ай бұрын
I am more interested in what mouse brand and model you guys use as a long time frequent CS winner. Im here my son, gonna buy him a present, he plays CS a lot, just the other day he proudly showed me that he is now playing the CS2
@ItsTheli
@ItsTheli 6 ай бұрын
you know, I never thought about the accuracy being a "spot" on my mousepad, so lower having bigger forgiveness. Thats a very clever way to look at it
@craigreustle2192
@craigreustle2192 Жыл бұрын
I think the bare minimum and maximum sensitivity should be roughly 180° per comfortable full swipe.
@gots0359
@gots0359 11 ай бұрын
woxic: simple:
@betraid
@betraid 10 ай бұрын
@@gots0359 simple sens is 3.07 this way too high to play, dunno how he shoots so well with rifle and awp on same sens, i tried it, it's ok for awp, but for rifle is way too fast, to do one taps or hs.
@SweatyFeetGirl
@SweatyFeetGirl 3 ай бұрын
i play 800 DPI and 3.0 sens lol. s1mple equivalent would be 800 DPI and roughly 1.5 sens@@betraid
@royalty4611
@royalty4611 3 ай бұрын
Muscle memory is definitely not a myth. But at start u gotta always test different sensitivities to find one best fitting. Also it may not take forever to get used to new one, but maybe the best thing i learned during years and thousands of hours in csgo was that when stopped changing sensitivity i finally started getting better and better at aiming and spraying. So if you have played lot of hours with one sens, i would not suggest change sens if there is no good reason.
@VIRAJDX
@VIRAJDX Жыл бұрын
High sensitivity leads to high speed accuracy while low sensitivity leads to comparitively lower speed but higher accuracy with precision. Thus low sensitivity leads to more consistency. I had a question btw. I used to palm grip at 400dpi 1.6 in game sens. Now, I am switching to claw to include fingers in my aiming coz I reached a plateau in palm grip. Should I keep my sensitivity to 1.6 or switch to around 2.2 which feels more comfortable to control now that I changed my grip?
@n8mo
@n8mo Жыл бұрын
I’ve had a nearly identical set of sensitivities over the years. Played 1.6 sens with palm, and I play 2.1 sens now with a hybrid grip. Personally, I found it took about a week or so to get used to the new sensitivity. If you’re willing to have slightly worse aim for a week or so while you acclimatize I think it’s worth it in the long run.
@csgopillermach1ne815
@csgopillermach1ne815 Жыл бұрын
2.2 will be better if it feels comfortable, very low sens is mostly needed for beginners but u can be consistent with higher and higher sens the more u practice and still be accurate
@jamieeddolls5605
@jamieeddolls5605 Жыл бұрын
@@csgopillermach1ne815 that's total horseshit, beginners in csgo always use high sensitivity and they are utter trash. Low sensitivity is for usually riflers that want consistency, it is as simple as that. Everybody gets better on a certain sensitivity the more they use it, pushing for higher sensitivities will always lose out on consistency compared to low but with more potential in certain scenarios. Don't type random crap for the sake of it
@csgopillermach1ne815
@csgopillermach1ne815 Жыл бұрын
@@jamieeddolls5605 you are from UK or NA dont talk please
@jamieeddolls5605
@jamieeddolls5605 Жыл бұрын
@@csgopillermach1ne815 always the internet know it all's that are xenophobic
@doxed64
@doxed64 6 ай бұрын
A lot of people don't realize this but screen resolution factors in as well. Screen Resolution, Mouse DPI, and Game Sensitivity all factor into the camera movement.
@Sc0pee
@Sc0pee 6 ай бұрын
According to the interwebs no it does not. It's always the same distance for 360.
@doxed64
@doxed64 6 ай бұрын
@@Sc0pee According to me actually testing it out, it's not the same distance
@solovicious
@solovicious 4 ай бұрын
It is 100% the exact same distance between resolution @@doxed64
@alukata9763
@alukata9763 6 ай бұрын
I played with about 10cm for a 360. I used mouse, wsad and strg for aiming ^^
@neomizo.
@neomizo. 7 ай бұрын
i switched from like 74cm to 57 recently and it felt like im playing the highest sens in csgo now xD
@chetan1149
@chetan1149 Жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on how to do 180 with low sensitivity like niko, twistzz, ropz? Bcz we have to 180 more in csgo nowadays
@saNjinhooo
@saNjinhooo Жыл бұрын
FFS what the hell are you talking about 😂 such a bullshit
@nWo_remiix
@nWo_remiix 6 ай бұрын
1.7 mouse sens at 400 dpi is slow? i was using that sens & it didnt feel that great so i went up to 2 sens at 400 dpi however i have a big mousepad so i can swing my arm from point a to point b on my pad to do a complete 180
@thatgamerguy3468
@thatgamerguy3468 10 ай бұрын
so if we struggle when crosshair is near target can we train with high sens and if we struggle when crosshair is far away from target we train with low sens?
@KillaOfKings
@KillaOfKings 6 ай бұрын
how does one translate 100 cm/360 to DPI or even eDPI?!
@WillVRam
@WillVRam 11 ай бұрын
4:00 thanks for this tip. I came to check how to put my sens in CSGO the same as in CS 1.6. Im trying to migrate to CSGO
@Jorge.ALXNDR
@Jorge.ALXNDR 6 ай бұрын
I literally train my muscle memory for like 10min before start playing or even before a dm. It helps a lot. It only takes 1hr to get used to a new sense if specifically train for it. To me it's very important and makes me much more precise unconsciously. When you don't have to make any micro adjustment to get to head cuz your brain feel how much you have to move the mouse you see this.
@joonamikkonen3735
@joonamikkonen3735 9 ай бұрын
I just turned on the mouse acceleration on and played the 28/19 stats on Long Cache despite I have not played CS for long time. Anyone daring to discuss?
@dazeen9591
@dazeen9591 6 ай бұрын
I played on 32.5cm/360 for the longest time. But everyone always told me how low that was. And I started thinking so too. Then I made drastic changes to my sensitivity over time. I never realized CS pros on average used 60% slower sensitivity than me xd
@freeeggs3811
@freeeggs3811 3 ай бұрын
I though 14cm/360 was very slow lol
@linguini1517
@linguini1517 Жыл бұрын
for surf you need even lower sensitivity, most pro surfers use ~0.5 sens at 5-600 dpi. going fast in surf needs low sensitivity, and turnbinds are used for anything but the most precise turns
@vexume
@vexume 11 ай бұрын
wow, that's news for me for default game I play 1.7@400dpi and for surf I just take it to 1.7@800dpi. as in surf you need approximate camera movement and at shooting you need precise aim.
@linguini1517
@linguini1517 11 ай бұрын
@ivanvolkov9306 for top level surf, the exact positioning on a ramp (to like 5-6 units) is critical for completing t7-8 maps, super low sensitivity is needed to fine tune your position and exact velocity. Losing 5 u/s on surf_anubis means you will not make it to the next ramp.
@badman1481
@badman1481 11 ай бұрын
No on average pro surfers use about 0.8 800 dpi
@kostaseros1564
@kostaseros1564 6 ай бұрын
started with default 5 sensitivity in Q3 and kept it with no problems until today.
@cesarjtorre
@cesarjtorre Жыл бұрын
i've been playing with low sensitivity since i started playing basically, and i only play with the desert eagle, and to have good aim with that weapon you need to have low sensitivity.
@KirbosCorner
@KirbosCorner 6 ай бұрын
I play around 230 edpi in both valorant and cs but before I had a fairly high sens, once I changed my sens lower and immediately became better
@youba9069
@youba9069 3 ай бұрын
You can make anything work let's be real, ive seen people use some weird ass settings and be amongst the best players. People who keep stressing about what setting to use while not being top elo are just wasting time, choose what's comfortable and grind
@David_Crayford
@David_Crayford Жыл бұрын
Very useful video with accurate terminology. I have a small desk, so measured my mouse travel [20cm/8in] and used the calculator you mentioned to generate a suitable sensitivity. [2.5/800]
@stalloneCS
@stalloneCS Жыл бұрын
way too high bruh
@kozcs2
@kozcs2 Жыл бұрын
agreed try out 0.5/800
@frosty2l4s5f4
@frosty2l4s5f4 Жыл бұрын
It's bizarre how we both playin at the exact same sensitivity and dpi 😮
@4everdex
@4everdex Жыл бұрын
@@frosty2l4s5f4 with Millions and Millions of Players and daily peaks of about 1.5 Million Players at the Same time it is bizarre to have one random Guy Play at your sensitivity, especially with probably the Most Common dpi number Out there???
@frosty2l4s5f4
@frosty2l4s5f4 Жыл бұрын
@@4everdex fair enough 😂😂😂
@mr.someone5679
@mr.someone5679 11 ай бұрын
What custom maps did you use to warmup with the timer?
@OfficialRefrag
@OfficialRefrag 11 ай бұрын
These are not maps, these are custom training modes that we create here at Refrag.gg
@4erbuks
@4erbuks Жыл бұрын
im new in cs go stopped playing 10 years ago with 1.6 where do you get the map mirage but with this training mode?
@ricoaries4565
@ricoaries4565 Жыл бұрын
Wondering too
@The1realro
@The1realro 10 ай бұрын
After 5 years using 800 dpi 1.93 sensi , finally I switched to 400 dpi then 1600 and 3200 dpi. Now 3200 dpi .23 sensi is feeling most natural edit: after narrowing down the sensitivity on 800dpi I used dpi/sensi converter to try the others out.
@ZeroChoices
@ZeroChoices 10 ай бұрын
sounds like placebo tbh
@qex916
@qex916 9 ай бұрын
So what's happened?
@The1realro
@The1realro 9 ай бұрын
@@qex916 what happen is I ended up going back down to 400 dpi ☠️ 2.33 sensi and a new mouse got me winning a lot. Finally back to dmg after hard stuck in mg. Lower sensi always means you don’t have to drag mouse so much to turn and horizontal plane is easier to keep straight so tapping heads on 4:3 stretched feels great.
@Slauj
@Slauj 7 ай бұрын
@@Taistelupelto420 After 3200 there's no longer a benefit. Anywhere between 1600-3200 is ideal for dpi since the latency is reduced with higher dpi due to sensor having to update more frequently.
@Sc0pee
@Sc0pee 6 ай бұрын
​@@Taistelupelto420Erm... Some of the BEST pro players play at 400 dpi such as: Niko, S1mple, Zywoo, dev1ce, Monesy, ropz...! I have played with 400 dpi since CS 1.5 but I haven't noticed this "jumping" you talk about. Perhaps it's just your mouse.
@ilopilleri5905
@ilopilleri5905 Жыл бұрын
spray and pray is the best how to aim
@doctorstainy
@doctorstainy 6 ай бұрын
The thing you said about muscle memory only makes sense because you are playing cs and not a real fps like quake. Quake will require different types of aim and so fast reactive shots that you can`t just click things when they are in your crosshair, you must use muscle memory to sling your mouse fast enough.
@kaserfCSGO
@kaserfCSGO Жыл бұрын
Been using 400dpi / sensitivity 2.3 since i started to play fps games. around 20 years ^^
@Uz0n
@Uz0n 11 ай бұрын
You deserve more subs.
@1q3er5
@1q3er5 11 ай бұрын
cool vid - no one explained it like this before
@Iava
@Iava 3 ай бұрын
How do you find this version of your sensitivity
@wh1ff78
@wh1ff78 6 ай бұрын
I use mouse accel to escape this dilemma
@monty3854
@monty3854 Жыл бұрын
One misconception about muscle memory is that your muscles learn how far you have to move to reach your target. This isn't the case. You learn how much force it takes to move the mouse. This is why the same mouse on the same edpi will feel different if one is significantly lighter.
@lilbpack2100
@lilbpack2100 Жыл бұрын
source: sez u
@monty3854
@monty3854 Жыл бұрын
@@lilbpack2100 Let's hear your theory.
@JirenSZN
@JirenSZN 11 ай бұрын
i just switched from a 100 to 50g mouse and this is not true for me
@monty3854
@monty3854 11 ай бұрын
@@JirenSZN May I ask what level/rank you play csgo at? I'm surprised to hear that as anyone I've ever spoken to has felt they had to slightly lower their sensitivity, at least at first, to play at the same standard. It's also well documented in other areas how muscle memory is affected mainly by force/exertion. You may be an outlier I suppose. In that case you're either very young and malleable or just one of life's lucky ones.
@JirenSZN
@JirenSZN 11 ай бұрын
​@@monty3854 i don't play Csgo, i only play CoD (or Xdefiant when it release) i have +200h of aim trainers and +500h playing the last 4 cods on KbM My sens is 33cm/360. My previous mouse was a Razer Bazilisk v3 and i switched to a Lamzu Atlantis Mini 2 days ago I was worried about the weight diff when i buyed the Lamzu but after like 6 hours nothing particular happened like i don't overshoot more than often I'm much more distracted by the feeling of the skates than by the weight diff honestly (btw sorry for my english im not a native speaker)
@dmitrykim3096
@dmitrykim3096 11 ай бұрын
I think miscle memory works better when you are using the whole arm instead of just a hand movement.
@dmitrykim3096
@dmitrykim3096 11 ай бұрын
More muscles you use, the better
@Shinyworldwide
@Shinyworldwide 10 ай бұрын
hmmm, i always played at 1800 DPI and 0.6 sensitivity (sincel like, 2019 atleast?). long range shooting felt, laborous, difficult to consistently get straight, although close range i was deadly and quick. i'm gonna give retraining to a lower sens a shot. thanks for this video.
@daghetto101
@daghetto101 10 ай бұрын
You might be a wrist player. Not an arm player like everyone else. Dont force it.
@tinychamberz
@tinychamberz 8 ай бұрын
@@daghetto101 nah, everyone needs to be an aimer. use wrist and arm and everything u have. if you ONLY use wrist, thats not gonna be good, same with ONLY arm.
@jimmysgameclips
@jimmysgameclips 5 ай бұрын
How do these players react to players at a 90+ degree angle to them? Do they use the sniper button at a higher DPI or just move that hand like it's about to hit a volleyball?
@MaZe741
@MaZe741 2 ай бұрын
I dont really understand using a sensitivity that won't allow you to do a 180 without lifting the mouse tho... that's really common, and you dont wanna get stuck half way when someone is behind you
@youareatube8
@youareatube8 6 ай бұрын
As a long time CS2 player and unbeaten world champ since 1956, I can say that this is a good video to bring the topic closer to casuals. But the easiest explanation is that the mouse sensitivity is just the scale at which the image which you see on the monitor is projected onto the mouse pad. You indicated this with the distance between two green parallel lines, which determine the room of error.
@mrtracing3292
@mrtracing3292 Ай бұрын
I play with a 36cm 360 have done for many different games for many years, mainly call of duty I recently moved away from COD and started playing CS2 on the exact same sens I think coming from a fast paced run n gun game to this feels really sluggish I don't think CS is for me but I'm giving it a go for now. But back to my point I'm not sure if 36cm is too fast for this game, but I'm like ten year's in and dialled in on this sens is it too late to change would it make me a bad player rn but a greater one in 6 months idk
@miskey2166
@miskey2166 3 ай бұрын
i am play with 5.8 sensitivity, its a bit harder to aim at distance but i outflick every oponent, its good when enemy is gonna peek but you dont know from where
@VrodegTheGoblin717
@VrodegTheGoblin717 Жыл бұрын
ahh just now realised this is a spinless ad
@Elinzar
@Elinzar 6 ай бұрын
What about high dps and low in-game sensitivity? Does that help in any way?
@Boz1211111
@Boz1211111 3 ай бұрын
Should be the same. Dpi*multiplier is edpi
@BlooFlame
@BlooFlame Жыл бұрын
Great explanation
@TERRYC05
@TERRYC05 Жыл бұрын
what is the workshop map for 2:53
@joelt5994
@joelt5994 10 ай бұрын
My dpi has been 3200 and in game sensitivity 2.5 (newer player/300 hrs). I just recently cut to 1600 dpi dropping my Edpi in half to 4k (from 8k). Feels weird but I should force myself to get used to it and keep working my way down lower right?
@dmale22
@dmale22 Жыл бұрын
does windows settings affect cs:go ingame settings? everything above 1.5 ingame with 400 dpi seems to be strange fast?
@OrangGoa007
@OrangGoa007 Жыл бұрын
Yes, normal 6 Dont change anything on windows
@alphatwink
@alphatwink Жыл бұрын
CS:GO uses rawinput by default so your windows sensitivity does not matter
@kunwarjulka2206
@kunwarjulka2206 4 ай бұрын
How do I play that game mode with the counter and the bots peek. Please let me know
@OfficialRefrag
@OfficialRefrag 4 ай бұрын
This is one of 30 training modes available on Refrag.gg
@rohit.k26
@rohit.k26 11 ай бұрын
What is the name of the workshop map that he is playing? ( Mirage)
@systemofapwne
@systemofapwne 6 ай бұрын
That's why I use a low sens combined with a linear mouse acceleration profile using RawAccel. Best of both worlds: Accuracy when aiming slowly, yet, a flick of the wrist and I do an 180°.
@keppycs
@keppycs 5 ай бұрын
can you do accurate and consistent flicks though? has the acceleration been baked into your muscle memory?
@bananasword3021
@bananasword3021 Жыл бұрын
I like how you are saying 10 cm for 360 is high when i see mine xd. I know mine is extremly high with 3300 dpi for 1.8 in game but it always shock me how low the other player sensitivities are.
@beenguy5887
@beenguy5887 11 ай бұрын
That's even higher than mine! (1000, 5.2) i really did not think it was possible
@jasonhurdlow6607
@jasonhurdlow6607 6 ай бұрын
@@beenguy5887I play at 8.3cm/360 on Apex (Sens 1.0, 5000dpi). I mouse with my wrist/finger tips, not my arm as is the style now (I'm "old"). Been doing it this way for 35 years. I have much more fine control with my fingers than with my arm, and it makes it much more easily to turn a 180 when you're getting shot in the back. I used to be even higher sens, but dialed it down as far as I could stand.
@Rice--0
@Rice--0 Жыл бұрын
the more holding angle in game the lower sens simple as you and your enemy don't jump around the map in csgo compared to overwatch
@zeeshanaftab3215
@zeeshanaftab3215 11 ай бұрын
Playing csgo since it was released 2012 I realized that mouse dpi plays an important role higher DPI mouse performs well on low sensitivity and lower DPI mouse performs well on higher sensitivity. I played cs1.6 , cs source and csgo with high sensitivity (800 DPI mouse) and on low sensitivity with ( 1600 DPI mouse) it both feels same.
@gettingemhyper
@gettingemhyper 11 ай бұрын
dpi is a useless metric, you should talk about eDpi (your dpi multiplied with your ingame sensitivity). If it feels the same on either dpi than your edpi is probably the same
@VillainBeats999
@VillainBeats999 Жыл бұрын
What's the name of the map at 3:00
@Thzs13
@Thzs13 4 ай бұрын
I remember i loved low sensivity so much. 400/600/800/1200 dpi (360 65+cm) My friends, parents and my classmates that i know. Were talking about same question: How you playing like that?? Then played shooter games. Been killed in most of times because of my slow sensivity. Then my brother came and said. Why your sensivity so slow, use high sensivity at least 180 degress spin at 10-20cm. And 1 year pass till the moment i stopped using low sens 😥
@kamilmach5542
@kamilmach5542 Жыл бұрын
I used to play about 3,5cm per 360° around years 2009-2014, older I'm lowering my sense :D After reinstall, or new mouse. Today im on around 11,4cm/360°. Game is also important factor, CS do not usually need to aim up or down, cannot same the same for other FPS, TF2, COD games. Imagine to need aim up or down 10x in minute with lower sense then 20cm/360°, your mouse end up hanging down from table, bad shoulder aches can appear also :D
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios Жыл бұрын
Yeah, CS is mostly horizontal movement, the vertical component is almost exclusively recoil control. And CS doesn't have lots of big flicks and rotations.
@tinychamberz
@tinychamberz 8 ай бұрын
ur insane. im on 81 cm and after some time of adjusting, looking up or down is natural. if u think u need higher than 20cm to actually be able to look around, ur doing something very very wrong.
@Maxlee112
@Maxlee112 Жыл бұрын
Any can let me know what the name of this traning mirage maps?
@anthonyortiz7924
@anthonyortiz7924 6 ай бұрын
While I get how good low sensitivity is for aiming, this doesn’t explain how low sensitivity players are able to whip around and do 90 or 180 degree plays on a dime. Anyone have a link?
@alex-flyper216
@alex-flyper216 10 ай бұрын
Can someone tell me the name of this map 2:22 Thanks
@TheSedasonic
@TheSedasonic 4 ай бұрын
I still don't get it why marjory of cs2 pro players rather play 400 dpi with hight sens than 1600 dpi with a low sens? Is that any plausible explanation for that? Thank you in advance.
@SweatyFeetGirl
@SweatyFeetGirl 3 ай бұрын
because with high dpi it makes you inaccurate. the mouse sensor scans more information , therefore it scans more human errors of you. 400 or 800 dpi are more "smooth" in that regard.
@nextprogram5945
@nextprogram5945 6 ай бұрын
i think high sense is good since you can train accuracy and still be fst with your mouse.
@TheSunIsMyDestroyer
@TheSunIsMyDestroyer Жыл бұрын
The real factor that comes into play is the size of your table.
@frog382
@frog382 Жыл бұрын
Not all of them use low sens, many of them use insanely high sense. I was researching this at the time and i was shocked, as i feel best using around 90cm/360° and only one or 2 pros at that time used such low sens.
@faranocks
@faranocks Жыл бұрын
Last I checked average was around 750 eDPI. "Insanely high" is like 1.5k+ plus, which only like 3 t1 pros exceed. "Many" is quite an overstatement imo. 90cm/360 is about as rare as that, but many hover around the 80-85cm/360. The issue with extremely low sens is that often in LAN settings you don't have the same, consistent, large, mousepad. I see quite a few pros go up in sens as they move from t2 to t1 to compensate for the inconsistent conditions. Also not to mention low sens has its downsides.
@frog382
@frog382 Жыл бұрын
@@faranocks I did use the word insanely wrongly, i agree. But i dont understand why you said that about mousepads on LAN, everybody brings their own that they use. And i also think pros dont ever change their sens dramatically. What i can observe is that T1 pros have vastly different preference of sens, some use high, some low, its not like all the best players use similar sens.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios Жыл бұрын
If you're interested in doing the work, you could take all the senses of pros, throw them into excel, and make yourself a distribution plot. The data will give some sort of curve. Then just look at where maybe 50%, 2/3, 3/4, 90% etc of the pros are. That peal should give a good target to start with when looking for a sens.
@frog382
@frog382 Жыл бұрын
@@HappyBeezerStudios No bro, that approach is so wrong. You should experiment yourself and use a sense that makes YOU most comfortable in game and then tweak it by 0.1 or like in my case 0.01.
@domerame5913
@domerame5913 11 ай бұрын
yes high sense is best if you can still be accurate with it
@veritas4156
@veritas4156 5 ай бұрын
@optimum do you have a voice twin or is this you?
@mkzhero
@mkzhero 6 ай бұрын
*unless they're doing qn infolock cheat where they suddenly move at 99999 dpi that gradually slows to 5 dpi but no one questions kt
@hmmm1482
@hmmm1482 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for measuring sensitivity in cm, instead of stupid and meaningless "eDpi"
@yt_user1772
@yt_user1772 Жыл бұрын
This is so complicated.. im just going to stick with 800dpi and slightly adjusting the edpi in games.
@Sc0pee
@Sc0pee 6 ай бұрын
eDPI = DPI X in-game sens. DPI doesn't really matter but you just take that into consideration when choosing your sens in-game.
@Skrenja
@Skrenja 7 ай бұрын
I like low sens for longer shots but it's really sh*tty when you're up close.
@pr0fcs
@pr0fcs Жыл бұрын
I play with 1200DPI and 1.2 sens. Honestly, even though I've played for over 6 years, the micromovements still feel really hard. I've just gotten used to high sens, so I can't really switch to low sens anymore.
@chrisscott3086
@chrisscott3086 Жыл бұрын
but you always can switch to even higher)
@daghetto101
@daghetto101 10 ай бұрын
Youre a wrist player. Not an arm player like everyone else.
@zacryemece1879
@zacryemece1879 Жыл бұрын
What is the name of the workshop at minute 2:23?
@OfficialRefrag
@OfficialRefrag Жыл бұрын
This is not a workshop map, this is a custom programmed training mode on our platform Refrag.gg
@jazzochannel
@jazzochannel 6 ай бұрын
It's all about them sweet sweet headshots.
@SomethingsoniQ
@SomethingsoniQ 11 ай бұрын
I move only my wrist so I have high sensitivity. My awp flicks are great but can't spray control at all with rifles....
@vincentprime740
@vincentprime740 Жыл бұрын
I play with 1752 edpi after playing with 3200 as before I get a bigger table
@tsito53215
@tsito53215 11 ай бұрын
whats the mouse you use?
@cichociemny522
@cichociemny522 Жыл бұрын
what map is this?
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