The Real Reason Why The Night King Didn't Fight Jon Snow During The Long Night Battle at Winterfell?

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Welcome back for another Game of Thrones Season 8 video. In this video, I will be talking about why the Night King was too afraid to fight Jon Snow during the Long Night battle at Winterfell. As you all know, Jon Snow seemed destined to fight the Night King before the Game of Thrones series ended. They had started setting this up at Hardhome, when Jon Snow defeated his first White Walker, and he saw the Night King for the first time. After this, Jon Snow and the Night King faced off again and again, however, they never ended up fighting during the final battle. Why is that? What stopped the Night King from taking down his biggest foe?
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@y.s.mnails7834
@y.s.mnails7834 2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion Hardhome is one of the best episodes of the entire series. I can remember how I felt watching it for the first time. The suspense was just perfect 💖
@LadySophiaVelaryon
@LadySophiaVelaryon 2 жыл бұрын
Omg, yes! It's my favorite GoT battle in the series because of how I felt while watching it. I was a nervous freaking wreck that night. Held my bed pillow like a scared little girl. 😩
@bobborlog1677
@bobborlog1677 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I watch that battle often
@THELIFEOFVIEWS1
@THELIFEOFVIEWS1 2 жыл бұрын
ITS ONE OF MY FAVORITE EPISODES
@tshakur8588
@tshakur8588 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! And when the Night King raised all the dead and damn near tripled his army! I was like holy sh*t, how are they gonna defeat this guy!
@bradcsuka5054
@bradcsuka5054 2 жыл бұрын
Easily one of the best!
@Opinionteer
@Opinionteer Жыл бұрын
He avoided Jon Snow because he knew Jon was Aegon Targaryen. He knew Aegon was the one prophesied to defeat him.
@saiyadsahil7884
@saiyadsahil7884 Ай бұрын
Yes he is the true king of seven kingdoms
@Ash.Crow.Goddess
@Ash.Crow.Goddess Ай бұрын
Yes. I think like Jon, the NK is a proto-ice/fire king. A Northern/Dragon Rider. For him, the Prophesy was like for Zeus, by this lineage, your son (Great, Great, Great, and all that, but still his son), will be greater than you and will defeat you. So he didn't fight Jon Snow. Little did he know Jon Snow had a little Winged Victory in his pocket.
@theprestige1231
@theprestige1231 2 жыл бұрын
Jon snow and the Night king not having a final battle was a complete robbery!
@frankorobinson1540
@frankorobinson1540 2 жыл бұрын
Yes but we know Jon would have won ,we never get the ending that is brainwashed into us during the events making it always a surprise, the girl with many faces was a pretty good choice and not expected till you saw her drop the knife then it was written, lol
@michaelmcgee2026
@michaelmcgee2026 2 жыл бұрын
@@frankorobinson1540 lol wtf.....Arya had NO business killing the night king other than idiots Dan and Dave's bad writing.
@amarnadh9701
@amarnadh9701 2 жыл бұрын
@@frankorobinson1540 Then Briyan or Theon would've been more shocking (for the retartds, at least) option to do the deed 🤦🏻‍♂️. Arya is the worst option to kill the Night King
@frankorobinson1540
@frankorobinson1540 2 жыл бұрын
@@amarnadh9701 maybe you should be a writer 🤔 see if they buy your story 😉
@okunolaabiodunolayinkaa_ca7509
@okunolaabiodunolayinkaa_ca7509 2 жыл бұрын
@@amarnadh9701 and what happen to the prophesy of Arya shutting the blue eyes forever?
@MsEmoney013
@MsEmoney013 Жыл бұрын
"... most of the foreshadowing went right out the window like Bran Stark." That's some class A humor right there. 🤣
@empac8631
@empac8631 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe that even after all these years it still hurts so bad to have lost the potential GOT had. Just watching that scene from Hardhome (Jon fighting the WW, and the NK and his stare down) and even just the music…makes me want to immediately rewatch the show for the 10th time, but knowing the end…
@bradcsuka5054
@bradcsuka5054 2 жыл бұрын
100% agree! The first few seasons were so amazing, I often find myself tempted to rewatch, but I simply can't knowing what a disaster the last two season were. It actually hurts my brain thinking about how badly D&D botched it.
@CarlBlvck
@CarlBlvck 2 жыл бұрын
Riiight? I decided to rewatch. I started from season 1 through to season 7 halfway. But knowing the ending I was bound to face, I just lost interest.
@ronaldorrego1445
@ronaldorrego1445 2 жыл бұрын
"I know what it feel bro" never sound so realistic until now ....
@IHateLife13
@IHateLife13 2 жыл бұрын
Yep! It’s pretty pathetic. That’s feminism for you.
@nastassjaloots4717
@nastassjaloots4717 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree. GOT could have easily been the best tv show of all time. It's heartbreaking how badly d&d screwed it up for no good reason. They rushed it to move on to their new projects, which they ended up losing anyway (because of the disaster that was season 8, if you ask me)
@roxannaonuwa187
@roxannaonuwa187 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think the Night King was afraid of Jon Snow or his sword. I do think he recognized Jon as a fierce opponent, but adding him to the ranks of the Night Walkers would have been in the Night King's favor, just as adding a dragon solved getting past the wall. Taking Bran was in his favor so he wouldn't be spied on and could have been on the Night King's side as well. I think the Night King showed restraint in killing Jon via the dragon, fire or anything that would have physically destroyed Jon's body as it wasn't in his own best interest in being able to use him in his ranks as one of his leaders, who were more intact than a lot of his foot soldiers. Some theorized that just as Bran was transformed to be the next in line as the 3 eyed raven, the Night King recognized Jon as being next in line to become the Night King's successor.
@Mcherri
@Mcherri Жыл бұрын
That’s is actually something similar to what I came to Jon has the blood of the first men that has magic in their blood and his Targaryen blood makes Jon pretty powerful and could be different from all the white walkers.
@mattjack3983
@mattjack3983 3 ай бұрын
​​@@McherriNah. The Night King understood that Jon had the skill and the right weapon to destroy him, and that is why he avoided fighting him.
@briancarr3586
@briancarr3586 Ай бұрын
I think it's because Jon had died and came back to life.
@sineking9348
@sineking9348 Ай бұрын
@@briancarr3586 jon isnt dead infact he would be killed for letting the wildlings in but in that battle jon was with wildlings at hardhome before that his magical coming to life occurs....i'm rewatching the show
@shabindersingh6997
@shabindersingh6997 10 күн бұрын
So much thought 👀
@themutualfriend5286
@themutualfriend5286 2 жыл бұрын
I still want a fight scene between the night king and Jon snow. And tbh i dont think the night king was afraid of jon snow. I think he respected his ability with a sword but he didnt fear him..
@yshouldifoogle6724
@yshouldifoogle6724 2 жыл бұрын
He knew Jon had a strong chance at killing him at the very least so he didn’t want to risk it
@Ready-ForTheEnd
@Ready-ForTheEnd 2 жыл бұрын
Why would a frozen ice zombie fear a puny human
@jinzin1
@jinzin1 2 жыл бұрын
Hardhome was/is, easily, one of the greatest live-action zombie sequences of all time. The suspense and the pacing of this episode alone set the rest of the series up to knock it out of the park. I couldn't believe where the trajectory of the story ended up going compared to where this episode left off. I thought the battle at Winterfell was a swerve because there was no way that the battle with the Night King wasn't the logical conclusion of a horror-story-archetype that started with the Whites right? Riiiiiiight? smh
@rc59191
@rc59191 2 жыл бұрын
Ya it was not to mention the camera work was amazing loved how it followd Jon through the chaos that was happening around him then there was that shot of the giant breaking out of the house.
@Napoleon1815-l8c
@Napoleon1815-l8c Ай бұрын
That part when those fighting the Army of the Dead were raised into its ranks was one of the best scenes of the entire season, maybe the entire series.
@paullockett9545
@paullockett9545 2 жыл бұрын
What they should have done there is actually let John and the night king fight. And after John gets the upper hand on the night king he then raised the dead knowing he couldn’t win 1 on 1! I then wouldn’t have minded ayra killing him as he couldn’t really see her as she was no one!!
@EYECONN
@EYECONN 2 жыл бұрын
I like that
@clintonbaah-gyimah9365
@clintonbaah-gyimah9365 2 жыл бұрын
With Valyrian steel,a little scratch on the night king would have ruined the series
@Midnight_Rider_777
@Midnight_Rider_777 2 жыл бұрын
You just did a way better job with that story line than D and D!
@Russeren01
@Russeren01 2 жыл бұрын
Arya is trash. Tired of you people’s fanfic for her. Her character ruined the show like the writers did.
@em-rg3xf
@em-rg3xf 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that a, good way to go
@mitchelldelaney5872
@mitchelldelaney5872 2 жыл бұрын
Jon was destined to kill the Night King!! How it made ANY sense to Benioff/Weiss to write a script where he wasn't killed by Jon is just baffling!!
@kasatka3690
@kasatka3690 2 жыл бұрын
You perfectly explained how I felt about GOT's. Endless possibilities it seemed. I'd stay up scouring the Internet for theories, absees, and reading excerpts from the books. I remember thinking Dany's vision meant she'd never sit on the Iron Throne, and Jon Snow would somehow. I thought it was snow, my bf thought it was asges, and someone burned the city. But that was way too crazy for us to think, especially because I didn't read the books. I remember my bf and I talking all night after Jon was killed and that I thought the blood looked like dragon wings. We thought we were too obsessed and going crazy. Well, those things DID end up happening, and millions of other fans were right too. So, yes I think the Hardhome scene meant something much larger and deeper. I think it was set up for something else, and D&D became lackluster with it (or abandoned it, cut it, rushed or gave up). I really miss those days of thus show ❤️
@MrKirk94
@MrKirk94 2 жыл бұрын
The majority of the final season ruined my whole perception of the Series as a whole. I'm a GOT fanatic from the start of season 1, but how they ended the last season and the satisfaction they robbed us of made me drop GOT from my all time favorite series. It just sucks to this day that after damn near 9 years of waiting to see what happens in the end, they gave us what they did. It's still disappointing to this day.
@Katsuya89
@Katsuya89 2 жыл бұрын
I remember going into the final season, I was thought that everyone who had a valerian steel sword was gonna take on a White Walker one on one. I was expecting to see Jorah, Brianne, Aria, and Jaime all fight one of the White Walker elites. Then to top it off, we finally get Jon vs the night king. instead we got nothing.😑
@mosesnzioka8549
@mosesnzioka8549 2 жыл бұрын
No one wants a predictable series i loved the ending not what i expected but thats the point. Although i agree that the whitewalkers should've been given more action.
@warrenhynson
@warrenhynson 2 жыл бұрын
That would have been awesome
@salamander337
@salamander337 2 жыл бұрын
I know all those Valerian steels were wasted on Wights.
@maikelvane5185
@maikelvane5185 2 жыл бұрын
Lol, we only got a lousy stab... Been waiting all the seasons.. It's like cumming in 2 seconds.
@SK-uq3hr
@SK-uq3hr 2 жыл бұрын
Totally
@CapriAquarius85
@CapriAquarius85 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. When the Night King raised the dead to surround Jon Snow during the Long Night, I thought then that he was afraid to fight Jon.
@brianwidner9832
@brianwidner9832 2 жыл бұрын
The Night King had one goal only, he wasn't about to delay it or risk Bran getting away, he wanted to get to his objective as quickly as possible
@piphuxtable8548
@piphuxtable8548 2 жыл бұрын
Ramsay foreshadowed it, when Jon challenged him to one on one combat in the battle of the bastards. He refused because he'd heard stories and it wasn't worth the risk. Why do one on one combat when the undead can do the job. I loved the NK facial expressions and body language, it was all unspoken, yet you could commenter your own dialog to it.
@diegobromfield
@diegobromfield 2 жыл бұрын
Well this was my first thought when they didn't fight in S8. But I'm still pissed that he had zero defenses against a single stab. Despite being so old and powerful...one stab from a little girl and POOF.
@susanrsmith3701
@susanrsmith3701 2 жыл бұрын
She wasn’t just any little girl.
@ProjectRambo
@ProjectRambo 2 жыл бұрын
SJW writers
@cherylbaxter8986
@cherylbaxter8986 2 жыл бұрын
Well that was one of the most disappointing moments in the show an especially season 8 totally no sence
@UDel
@UDel 2 жыл бұрын
@@susanrsmith3701 'she' was nobody.
@tipsybass8948
@tipsybass8948 2 жыл бұрын
ummm... well Arya was the biggest badass in the show, IMO, and it wasn't just a stab, it was a sneak attack from an assassin with a dagger of dragonglass...who was saving her crippled brother from being killed... as soon as she started her 'dancing lessons' with Syrio Forel, I knew she was going to be a character to watch... this is the first time that I did NOT read the books beforehand, and didn't even have GOT on my radar until the near end of the 3rd season (in real time). I think I saw maybe 30 minutes of one of the episodes and was hooked. Binged all of them from the start the next day. It still gives me the same feeling when I rewatch it, although I only have until season 4 on bluray, which is when it started getting really good. I have always liked the time period, with the lords and ladies and such. *edit* just read the comments, and realised that Arya's dagger was Valerian steel, and not dragonglass. I haven't watched the latter seasons as much as I have watched the first 4, since I own them. I have craptastic interwebs, else I would try to watch on some other site. it is what it is, that is why I own copies. Never got around to buying the entire set, as it came out shortly after I got the ones I have..
@willowflowerchild
@willowflowerchild 2 жыл бұрын
Night King knew the Blue Winter Rose aka Jon Snow would NEVER fully turn Walker and would definitely kill the Night King. Your videos are brilliant! Thank you! I am a diehard fan of the show and books. Your insights are dead on to those I personally believe. This video sums it all perfectly.
@rknight1947
@rknight1947 2 жыл бұрын
This is the only explanation that makes sense. But like Dany “forgot” all about Euron’s fleet, Dan and Dave forgot about Hardhome.
@ellieperez1716
@ellieperez1716 2 жыл бұрын
I thought that after Danny’s dragon turned we would see Jon taking control of him, thus proving that dragons are not slaves, but nope, instead he just screamed at it, lol.
@Solo-Skywalker
@Solo-Skywalker 22 күн бұрын
I thought it was going to either bow to him or roast him alive showing us that he's Fireproof ( I know he's not )
@RafaelCruzPodcast
@RafaelCruzPodcast 2 жыл бұрын
I like how you make the theory, and also address the potential flaws. Watching the watcher, so to speak. I like this idea.
@TheNerdyOrganist
@TheNerdyOrganist 2 жыл бұрын
What upset me the most in the long night battle is that no fighting with White Walkers actually took place. It were the Redeads that did all the fighting. What did they need all the dragonglass plotline, if all they needed for the final fight was the one dagger they had since the very first season? No White Walkers were harmed during the making of this season.
@mosesnzioka8549
@mosesnzioka8549 2 жыл бұрын
Dragon glass kills the army of the dead too not just whitewalker
@Ronin12530
@Ronin12530 2 жыл бұрын
Lyanna Mormont killed the giant with dragon glass as her last great defiance!
@pourattitude4206
@pourattitude4206 2 жыл бұрын
To me it was very reasonable for the Night King to avoid direct combat with Jon Snow since he recognized the fact that Snow could in fact kill him and thereby destroy all of his armies at once. We were witness to the fact that he was solely responsible and capable to raise them from the dead. As any thoughtful leader would do he used the armies at his disposal to do his bidding in lieu of personal combat. Why have a horde if you don't use it? Also, I am surprised that more people didn't recognize Bran The Three-Eyed Raven as being a top contender for the throne. I did, and it certainly seemed like the Night King did as well since he felt it necessary to deal with Bran personally. A very telling decision.
@shrutik9673
@shrutik9673 Жыл бұрын
but jon should have started the fight with the nightking
@lordkizzle
@lordkizzle Жыл бұрын
I didn't recognize it because Bran made clear he had no interest in becoming a king or even a lord.
@mialavendertarot4051
@mialavendertarot4051 Жыл бұрын
He was a Targaryen infront of a Targaryen. Imagine waiting 200 years for dragons to exist, and then you finally see your bloodline infront of you. The night king knew way too much. He was daemon targaryen for sure.
@mialavendertarot4051
@mialavendertarot4051 Жыл бұрын
@@shrutik9673 he somehow felt subconsciously the night king was his ancestor daemon targaryen. He knew nothing consciously. But everything subconsciously
@pourattitude4206
@pourattitude4206 Жыл бұрын
@@lordkizzle I get that. I think that a lot of people dismissed him out of hand for that. However, there was a common thread that was tugged at a few times by different characters in different ways. That was: people who felt called to serve would be better leaders than those who sought to lead.
@nbrace-tl8ku
@nbrace-tl8ku 2 жыл бұрын
Makes a lot more sense now as Arya would have made the night king drop his guard a little as his pride would have said, Oh, a little girl, how nice. That and the fact he did not know her dagger was made of valerian steel. Although a Night King vs John Snow battle would have brought down the roof.
@RedBullxMD
@RedBullxMD Жыл бұрын
It doesn't make any sense.
@jschiek8054
@jschiek8054 2 жыл бұрын
That does make sense, even without the added lens of meaning. Measure it by purpose and expedience: The Night King might well be able to take Jon in a fight, but he’s on a mission to destroy Bran, erase the memory of humankind forever, why take a risk with someone who has a weapon that is an actual danger to him, no matter how small that risk may be?
@tlasjc
@tlasjc 2 жыл бұрын
I think he didn’t fight Jon Snow because he didn’t take him seriously. I think the Night King believed that he was basically invincible and simply didn’t want to waste time fighting Jon. I’m fact he didn’t seem to fear anyone or anything, including the dragons. His hubris is what allowed Arya to catch him off guard.
@TalkingThrones
@TalkingThrones 2 жыл бұрын
You could be right
@WildAzzRacing
@WildAzzRacing 2 жыл бұрын
Yup. He looked at Jon as nothing more than a curiosity.
@persiswynter6357
@persiswynter6357 2 жыл бұрын
@@WildAzzRacing Hey! You're back from the dead! Why are you fighting on that side?
@Chrissykat24
@Chrissykat24 2 жыл бұрын
I agree that he was intrigued by Jon at first, but in the end he was like "Why bother fighting him when I can just bring back the dead and have them fight him" Jon in the end wasn't worth his time when he was so intent on getting to Bran. Perhaps he intended to come back and fight Jon after he took out Bran. What I never understood is why the Night King didn't just snap Aryas' neck. Its like he hesitated.
@Dakarn
@Dakarn 2 жыл бұрын
@@Chrissykat24 For the same reason that Supervillains give a long monologue before they activate their evil plan. Bad writing.
@dustinglasner7080
@dustinglasner7080 2 жыл бұрын
I think a simple change to The Night King’s story would be for them to give him a goal. I always thought if a little more attention was given to the original Three Eyed Raven and why The Night King killed him would have helped the narrative completely. They could’ve written it as he had transferred his powers completely to Bran at that point, so even if he died, the power the Night King sought was still alive. Also, the Weirwood Tree in Winterfell should’ve been where the Night King was created, and that all he needed to do to have some sort of unlimited power (an immunity to dragonglass: what turned him into what he was) was finally take out Bran and destroying the Weirwood Tree that he had been created upon. A simple explanation of that somewhere in between the introduction of Original Three Eyed Raven and the end of Season 7 (as Viserion would’ve been perfect as a mechanism to destroy the Weirwood Tree). With all of that in mind, I do believe Jon could’ve had a somewhat tough duel with the Night King since Viserion would also be there. Arya would still help in the end of it all by helping Jon finally destroy the Night King (preferably her throwing him the dagger in the last moment as White Walkers begin to overrun her and Bran since Viserion is still working on destroying the Tree).
@lorihunter2721
@lorihunter2721 Жыл бұрын
That tree wasn't the strongest tree look at the 3 eyed ravens tree its roots weren't destroyed I believe that is where the night king was created
@MonaroMel1
@MonaroMel1 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that makes sense. The night king didn't know Arya had valerian steel. The Sir Arthur Dayne info is awesome, thank you. The same actor did the choreography and stunt training on The Witcher too. Brilliant man.
@joshuaknuckles4594
@joshuaknuckles4594 2 жыл бұрын
I agree completely!..was having this convo yesterday the knight king not fighting snow ruined it all
@SwerveDaddy1115
@SwerveDaddy1115 2 жыл бұрын
The funniest explanation for S8 and the Winter literally lasting one night is “it’s the game of thrones. It’s about the throne not the WWs.” The entire series the sublot of the NK and WWs was the actual plot. They said it numerous times in different episodes. It’s why Jon’s identity was so important. Not because of the iron throne but he was going to save the world.
@braemtes23
@braemtes23 2 жыл бұрын
People seem to forget that the story is the "Song of Ice and Fire". The Game of Thrones is the name of just the first book in the series.
@KIRKSHANNON72
@KIRKSHANNON72 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you can continue these vids once they bring back Jon Snow... so excited for this
@yusufbey1587
@yusufbey1587 2 жыл бұрын
Man anyone whose seen Jon snow in the field sword fighting knows they don’t want the smoke 😂
@LSaini4793
@LSaini4793 2 жыл бұрын
You like the Street Profits.
@andrewwilliams8736
@andrewwilliams8736 2 жыл бұрын
After the ending we got, I’d say the NK knew he couldn’t fight so he avoided Jon at all costs. Arya was his first 1v1 in thousands of years and he went down in 3 seconds. So sad how this show crashed and burned that last season. Jon earned fight with the NK.
@coffeeperson1461
@coffeeperson1461 2 жыл бұрын
For me it wasn't who did it. If that were John instead or Arya I would still find that death uncreative. Kill the main one and they all drop. This was not a fifties alien invasion movie. They should have done better
@TruthOverFeelings745
@TruthOverFeelings745 2 жыл бұрын
Lol he killed Theon right before he got killed. He could definitely fight. Come on, man.
@carolegarnier1093
@carolegarnier1093 2 жыл бұрын
I think the Night King knows that Jon is special. The way he looks at him every time. I’m still so mad that Aria kills the NK lol
@ebecenti
@ebecenti 2 жыл бұрын
What would’ve also been cool is if all or most of the Valerian steel wielders did a TMNT/Shredder style fight against the Night King. That would’ve made good use of the NK actor’s abilities.
@jdods8398
@jdods8398 2 жыл бұрын
Missed watching your videos! Glad to have another series for you to cover.
@maureenandmario
@maureenandmario 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your insight I know where you’re coming from Hardhome was brilliant I loved when Jon and the whits walker both paused and looked surprised when the sword hit the spear that was GOT at its best ! So sad the ending didn’t justify some of the laid plot lines Jon’s parentage wing one the build up and suspense about Leanna and Rhaegar just fizzled out when it could have been brilliant if the show had gone on
@esiedesabright695
@esiedesabright695 2 жыл бұрын
Hi
@Ms.Byrd68
@Ms.Byrd68 2 жыл бұрын
Even Jorah had a better 'death scene' than the Night King. I felt he was afraid of Jon Snow for the same reason you did but I still expected a fight he couldn't avoid between himself & Jon Snow. (Even if it ended in *mutual destruction* )
@lordkizzle
@lordkizzle Жыл бұрын
The Night King isn't afraid of death. The fact that the wights he raised were only creeping up on Jon explains it all. This was a diversion to keep Jon and Daenerys busy so he could go kill Bran.
@Divine_Chareka
@Divine_Chareka 2 жыл бұрын
The Night King feared the Targaryen balls Jon had
@jamesmswenko8292
@jamesmswenko8292 Жыл бұрын
Crazy that The Night King never uses his spears again, I wish he threw one in Jon's direction, showing he'll only engage him from a distance and he's a bigger threat than a dragon.
@mialavendertarot4051
@mialavendertarot4051 Жыл бұрын
Family blood is strong!
@matthewsullivan5765
@matthewsullivan5765 2 жыл бұрын
I think Snow was born for leading men into battle. Arya was all about the 1 on 1 fight / Assassin. It’s kinda made sense that she killed him… at least to me.
@jonlacey316
@jonlacey316 2 жыл бұрын
If they had done season 8 with the battle against the night King then a season 9 of how Dani was turning I think people wouldn't be as angry with the plot, its the fact it all went chaotic within one episode when they could of had a full season to show her unravel with the deaths of her dragons, her father figure and her best friend added to her paranoia of Jon was the rightful heir
@dimpleseve
@dimpleseve 2 жыл бұрын
The scene made sense but of course, HBO decided to change the ending because people had guessed that the Night King would be killed! If that is the case then they could have had Jon Snow kill the Night King the same way Arya did. That would have been surprising in itself!
@louiswomble5609
@louiswomble5609 2 жыл бұрын
I can def see your theory about this. I agree tho that Jon should of been the one to duel and defeat with the NK, regardless of Jon’s sword. I felt that there may of been some sort of bloodline connection between them being that the NK was originally one of the first men that had Stark blood(show theory of course) but for sure I thought the NK viewed Jon as something special or a clear threat to him…hence the way he “challenged” him by raising the dead at Hardhomme and Winterfell…like “yeah, bring it Jon Snow”…lol! So yeah, perhaps you’re splitting hairs some or just justifying why D&D mishandled that. But the WofW (whenever that comes out) should hopefully clear things up. Overall, great vids and content! Thanks for sharing and look forward to more! Cheers!🍻
@jackbaxter2223
@jackbaxter2223 2 жыл бұрын
In the books, the Night King was not only identified as being a Stark, he was also the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.
@AjeetSinghMotion
@AjeetSinghMotion 2 жыл бұрын
yeah...im agree.. with you... previous scenes where John and Night King confronted... Night King must have known and felt something special about him..
@tbluemel
@tbluemel 2 жыл бұрын
IMHO, you got it absolutely correct. Love your videos!
@nunnaurbiznez8815
@nunnaurbiznez8815 2 жыл бұрын
Totally right about the fun being in the fan theories. It's clear that these guys didn't give any care for the conversations and planning the characters did while traveling together. They skipped so much story. If they had shown all the travelling and reasoning for the choices, they might have made more sense. But they were in a hurry to finish.
@liambyrne5107
@liambyrne5107 2 жыл бұрын
I quite enjoyed it upto Episode 3/4 but that's when it all unravelled. It would have been epic to see the Night King v Jon Snow showcasing their fighting skills. But alas it wasn't to be. Keep up the good work Sir 😎👍
@iconoclastic12007
@iconoclastic12007 2 жыл бұрын
Often I think you are over-geeking things, this is not one of those times. Well done!
@beekind6267
@beekind6267 2 жыл бұрын
All i know is that ENTIRE crew and cast were some VERY hardworking folks. I'm still finding it hard to fathom that the show is done.
@resipsaloquitur5562
@resipsaloquitur5562 2 жыл бұрын
I like your theory and it helps fill in the gaps of a poorly put together final season. There should have been a couple more seasons to fill in the ridiculous plot holes created by a slapdash final season, for example having time to expand on what you posit here. Your theory makes sense, although the one highlight for me was the surprise of Arya killing the Night King. I actually loved that twist.
@kitpitre
@kitpitre 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps it involved the fact Jon died and was brought back , much like how the ice king is ice ,Jon was returned by the lord of light who is represented by fire.
@jenobenny1102
@jenobenny1102 2 жыл бұрын
The thing inscrbed in that knife - prince of ice and fire. 🔥
@brains7733
@brains7733 2 жыл бұрын
I think the story would have been more interesting if the Night King turned out to be the 'Mad King' Aerys Targaryen. It could have been a good reason why he avoided fighting Jon Snow (knowing Jon Snow was a Targaryen), also it would explain why Daenery's dragon was unable to kill the Night King after she said 'dracarys' during the battle of the Long Night in Season 8. ('Fire cannot kill a dragon'(Targaryen))
@GB-vj7mi
@GB-vj7mi 2 жыл бұрын
The night king was there way before the max king was born how would that work
@brentdenham4017
@brentdenham4017 2 жыл бұрын
I think Dan and Dave might have been to close to the book and had to steer away from what happens in the book. That's what I have to think to keep from getting mad about this horrible ending they gave us
@GhostFan-ev4di
@GhostFan-ev4di 2 жыл бұрын
There are no new books,they ruined the show because they were POS!!
@SammiJarrad
@SammiJarrad 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been rewatching the series in preparation for HOTD, and it’s just as frustrating. I’m on season 8 again… and damn, it’s hard to watch.
@s.d.1982
@s.d.1982 Жыл бұрын
All that build between John & The Night king , It would of been an epic Fight ! Was looking forward to it . Damn!
@susanrsmith3701
@susanrsmith3701 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your insightful ideas! I hadn’t thought of reasons why Jon and the Night King didn’t have a fight scene. The story line of the NK going after Bran made a lot of sense to me and Jon had been in lots of battles so why not have Arya stab the bad guy? Her story had been leading her to something big too. Thank you for sharing the sword fighting details too! Those fights are one of the reasons I kept watching the show!
@ShaffersWafers
@ShaffersWafers 2 жыл бұрын
Because it wasn't her story to conclude. Imagine Reading a spiderman comic and in the final 2 pages thor comes in and beats the bad guy for him. There just wasn't any emotional pay off for all the work jon had done. He'll I would have taken him slaying the undead dragon at the very least
@yvonnem.langlois5197
@yvonnem.langlois5197 Жыл бұрын
What I expected her to do, was kill Cerci. All her training and abilities went out the widow in the last season.
@jackstevens2474
@jackstevens2474 2 жыл бұрын
No John Snow had Targaryn blood, I think the Night King knew this, as well as the Night King also had Targaryn Blood. The fact that he went after the dragons was because of the dragon blood in his cold veins.
@mikemiller4169
@mikemiller4169 2 жыл бұрын
The question I have about the show, other than Martin still not finishing it, is how can the "dead" wights be killed and resurrected after they kill people? I get the new dead being wights, but the already dead dying again and again. I know its fantasy, but I never understood that part.
@irayneman
@irayneman 2 жыл бұрын
D&D said they didn't have Jon defeat him because Jon was always the hero and wanted a change... It's like yeah because HE is the freaking hero of the story.... Smh
@aaamos16
@aaamos16 2 жыл бұрын
Getting one shot is always scary.
@nerdwatch1017
@nerdwatch1017 Жыл бұрын
After seeing HOTD I started wondering if the reason that dagger worked so well had something to do with the prophecy and the magic that was put in it with the wording and the Valerian writing and enchantments that could’ve been put on it at Aegon’s request
@kristenefisher3952
@kristenefisher3952 2 жыл бұрын
I was SUPER disappointed to not see Jon fight the Night King!! Hardhome was such an ominous episode and I really felt like Jon deserved to fight the Night King after assembling Dany's forces to fight in the north and basically save all of Westeros from the Army of the Dead! I will forever feel cheated about that 😡😠🤬!!!
@nessadla
@nessadla 2 жыл бұрын
I'm re-watching the Game of Thrones now and I anticipate getting upset all over again... so I'm with you lets just make some sense out of how it ended
@earlhunton8186
@earlhunton8186 2 жыл бұрын
Now that we have a possible Snow expansion this could play into what happens with Jon in the north.
@karthickraj5510
@karthickraj5510 2 жыл бұрын
The night King has every Walker's life with him.. At that time he had a vision... he had to achieve something... And he had responsibilities... If he fight John snow... if he lose ... everything will be destroyed... So yeah he is too afraid to engage in the front, not only with John snow... He had to be too careful with everyone when he know that he's vulnerable...
@joyedwards7442
@joyedwards7442 2 жыл бұрын
I remember watching the Knight King die, and being completely blown away. It was great! Especially since, as in all deeds, sometimes the unexpected occurs.
@SVTStrikesback
@SVTStrikesback 2 жыл бұрын
Out the window like Bran… The look that Jon gives the night king right before the NK grounds Viserion is excellent. Even then, the NK has a very condescending look just like at Winterfell.
@danemassie3750
@danemassie3750 2 жыл бұрын
Jon was the prince that was promised but he didn’t have Catspaw which we now know has an inscription on the blade when heated up
@karandeep5515
@karandeep5515 2 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling that something was cooking up between Jon snow and Bran both of whom died and lost their original selves. This makes them a part of dead army even though they fought on the other side. There was no doubt that there were some personal scores to settle between the night king and the three eyed raven, due to which night king came all the way down to winterfell. Bran could be the evil one here, as he wasn't the honorable stark anymore but a three eyed raven who just placed himself perfectly on the throne overcoming every obstacle in the way. He knew everything what was happening around. He even the iron fleet was waiting for daenrys' dragon but didnt tell the same to her and let the dragon and missandei die. My point here is that as Jon was also raised from the dead, that's why, the night king did not fight with jon. And there could be a sequel coming bran being the all evil and jon as the next night king kinda thing and would come back to settle the score and save the seven kingdoms from evils of the three eyed raven who has powers against the law of nature.
@starbugmechanic5236
@starbugmechanic5236 2 жыл бұрын
“Went out the window like Bran” lol!
@jimmymcgill2557
@jimmymcgill2557 2 жыл бұрын
one thing i didn't get and if someone could answer it then i would appreciate it so much! in 'Beyond the wall' when they're surrounded and waiting for dany and her dragons, Berrick points out that if you kill the night king all the rest will fall yet we don't see a scene where he or jon know 100% that the night king turned them all and Jon replies.."you don't understand"...i never got the meaning behind what jon meant by understand?!
@mauricenorrisejr
@mauricenorrisejr 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you and I'd like to have interactive decisions movies made to satisfy our video audiences! There are always ways in which we visualize the right fit for ourselves... this is one of those much needed to be our way moments! Movies made your way like our food and services today.
@yshouldifoogle6724
@yshouldifoogle6724 2 жыл бұрын
It was a surprise when Ramsey Bolton mentioned Jon being a great swordsman from rumors this was the turning point from that point forward you will notice all the other characters(fighters) are afraid of him it’s subtle but if you see they all are from Jaime to the hound. Even greyworm
@refuse2x726
@refuse2x726 Жыл бұрын
I thank it needed 10 more seasons so many story lines
@foxmulderGC
@foxmulderGC 13 күн бұрын
Arya killing him was outstanding. Everything she did with the faceless men led her to this moment, saving mankind. The sign of a good writer is to create the unexpected. So many expected Snow to fight him. He’d never have got to him one on one. Arya’s training got her past his defences. If viewers can guess every piece of the story, there’s no point.
@kizzykizzington5144
@kizzykizzington5144 2 жыл бұрын
‘Right out the window, like bran stark’ had me laughing way too much
@robertzenniful
@robertzenniful 2 жыл бұрын
You are on point, also I never watch pass season 5 anymore and I skip all the Dorn parts .
@waylongroves200
@waylongroves200 2 жыл бұрын
“Most of the foreshadowing had gone right out the window like Bran Stark by the final season.” Absolutely brilliant. Hahahahaha
@xthemystic7879
@xthemystic7879 2 жыл бұрын
Adding my two cents- i too was thrown when arya had slain the Night King, but- consider the following. "Who better to slay a thing that does not die, than a emissary of death itself"?
@barbarahigdonburwell
@barbarahigdonburwell 2 жыл бұрын
I think he didn't want to fight him or Danny because he was blood related to them when he was alive. Like he was Danny's father.
@edisondsouza4270
@edisondsouza4270 2 ай бұрын
These was a huge injustice to Jon Snow's character. His journey from a normal character to the most important one was so good but the finale just took it all away. Bran and Arya where given all the importance. Arya specially having taken her revenge of the red wedding and killing little finger has her ark completed. Bran on the other had was just that lucky kid. Jon Snow killing the Night king in a epic showdown was what we wanted.
@ChristopherNealBUSHIDO49ERS
@ChristopherNealBUSHIDO49ERS Ай бұрын
I actually agree with this. The Night King wanted NO SMOKE with that sword!
@pratimavibert2511
@pratimavibert2511 Жыл бұрын
Keep the theories coming, the books have yet to finish!
@soulsnatcha402
@soulsnatcha402 2 жыл бұрын
I forking love it 1st very solid theory. Night king was otherworldly but still a man fear is not so foreign. Secondly evertime i watch a video you do i want to watch the series again!
@stevenboese1480
@stevenboese1480 2 жыл бұрын
Did Jon have the dagger on him at Hardhome? And that might the reason why the Night King never attacked Jon, it could be he sense the dagger that was used to cut out his heart in the first place so he would be afraid of it that's why could he walked up to Jon during the Battle because Jon didn't have the Dagger that's why when Arya came down on him he sensed the Dagger and that's why He turned and caught her in midair and then when she dropped the dagger his eyes followed it down then saw her catch it and that's all she wrote for him and the dagger that started it all, it Finished It all.
@garhumpston5495
@garhumpston5495 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t read the books so I didn’t have any expectations. I thoroughly enjoyed the entire show. Th last two seasons were great, I don’t like hearing how others would do it or how it should have been done. It was a great series period.
@TaleOfTwoIdiots
@TaleOfTwoIdiots 2 жыл бұрын
While I didn't care for Season 8 as a whole, I did like the Arya twist. It vaguely reminded me of Eowyn and the Nazgûl when I first read the LOTR 45 years ago - at the time I certainly didn't see those two characters facing one another, much less their surprise confrontation turning out the way it did (obviously the Nazgûl didn't either). In the case of GOT, we'd seen other characters die at what seemed to be the zenith of their character arcs (e.g., Rob Stark), so the fact that it happened to a villain as well only made the story feel more…real. S**t happens, even to the bad guys. 😊
@randellbrady1030
@randellbrady1030 2 жыл бұрын
It went out the window like Bran Stark😂😂 nice quote
@yaackaa4418
@yaackaa4418 2 жыл бұрын
What doesn’t make sense is that he took drogons blast but not the dagger. He apparently had no armor there.
@parthasamadder86
@parthasamadder86 2 жыл бұрын
Night King is my favourite character in GOT. I hope Night king deserves a whole series
@Rainydhikr
@Rainydhikr 2 жыл бұрын
Imo it was that catspaw dagger night king was vulnerable to. We don't know if valerian sword had the same effect
@_JudgeDredd
@_JudgeDredd 2 жыл бұрын
The ending really killed everything for me
@johnlaub89
@johnlaub89 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe he knew John wasn't alive(he was dead or bring back to live) Maybe just Maybe the night king sensed he could be replaced by John and wanted him either by his side or he wanted John to kill him but not before he was made the king
@Montcoshire
@Montcoshire 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. The Night king didn’t want to fight Jon but a quick squabble between them would have been satisfying to see. Then NK raises the dead and runs off to see Bran in the woods.
@evelynwald9132
@evelynwald9132 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed your observations about Jon Snow & the Knight King, it made sense and especially since I haven’t read the books. That being said, I still like that Arya was the one who killed the Knight King. I was disappointed by the ending, given all that had happened, it felt too simplistic.
@darrylwiggins4799
@darrylwiggins4799 2 ай бұрын
I think someone decided the eliminate what everyone was expecting and show exactly why Arya has been training to be the ultimate badass.
@steowens8243
@steowens8243 6 ай бұрын
Just gotta wait for the remake in 10years+
@smoove2432
@smoove2432 2 жыл бұрын
Hardhome might be the best one they ever did. The ending of that episode omg
@QueensGambit9876
@QueensGambit9876 2 жыл бұрын
Your theory made sense.. I have the sane thought too, when he could have fought Jon, but didn't..
@joseph1monplaisir
@joseph1monplaisir 2 жыл бұрын
I'm also mad that none of the other white walkers were seen fighting any of the other leaders like gray worm and Breanne, it was a complete waste! So upsetting.
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