The REAL Reasons Why EV Trucks Are a MASSIVE Failure!

[@the_best_car_content]

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[@jhansen2649]

Not many evs in Greece, they pay big $$$s for electricity and if you cannot charge at home, they do not want evs. No market here for evs!

[@timothykeith1367]

An EV truck is like the trendy kitchen appliance that attempts to solve a problem that didn't exist.

[@simonlangmead7]

Why not tell us what proven range they have when fully loaded? Then how far in the winter at sub -30 temperatures. Then tell us how long to fully charge their batteries?

[@janhansen554]

Experience with wintertime with buses. In Oslo, they experienced half the range and double chargingtime in cold weather like -20 celsius. A nice fire knocked out 6 busses in one good fire.

[@GJP1169]

EV trailer trucks remind me of Howard Hughes spruce goose it could fly, but that's all . It was completely useless.

[@Procrastinator1948]

And the Spruce Goose only flew once, and that was only just barely.

[@mikej282]

EVs Pay More=Get Less!

[@b4ph0m3tdk9]

...and carry the full weight of the battery the whole haul, where diesel tanks gets lighter while used.

[@PahatRout]

I thought so, EV trucks had been tried but the battery load itself is already consuming so much power! They should concentrate on Blue hydrogen!

[@carlsmith5545]

@@PahatRout And where are the hydrogen stations at? There are less hydrogen stations than anything and everything else. I say take what we already have and make it even better and simply leave well enough alone....

[@PahatRout]

@@carlsmith5545 SO??

[@carlsmith5545]

@@PahatRout so? I agree with you, im with you when blue hydrogen stations are put into place. I have a Jaguar XJl. A large full size luxury automobile which tesla dosent even make, 3 minutes of down times for fueling once a month at a half tank. It delivers a range of 570 miles and paid off at 41K. More than a pleasure to drive. If they can come out with blue hydrogen cars that can deliver these fine features or better, along with the infrastructure then hell yeah lets do it. Otherwise im good. If i would need even better, then there's the Jaguar FX20D that delivers a range of 731 miles. Great for the serious traveler like me....

[@charlespiper9291]

We will arrive at your accident in 11 hours, when the tow truck is charged

[@enterprisencc1701z]

EVs and hydrogen without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.The Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement since them. Diesel electric IS a hybrid !!! Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and fuel economy and most importantly, and it is lighter than the standard trans truck NRA. No range anxiety. Get it straight .. The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs or hydrogen but hybrids can and are doing it with no infrastructure change with BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVEN TECHNOLOGY

[@calfeutrageapex7305]

The EV semi, perfect for a single delivery of potato chips.

[@Kaesemesser0815]

you mean one of these smaller bags, where half of it is just air

[@ianmcleod8898]

@@Kaesemesser0815 and gets delivered just around the corner

[@Ludak021]

Seems to me revised laws regarding child labour in the US are needed. Screw selling cookies and lemonade, just go play in the lithium or cobalt mine for 5-6 hours every day. Every day.

[@andybrowne2117]

What a stupid , bird brained idea !

[@seaplaneguy1]

$300,000 / 500,000 mile life = 60 cents/mile for the battery. If the truck gets 2 kwh/mile ( 19 MPGe, as Tesla claims), the battery adds to the electricity cost 30 cents/kwh (60 c/mile x Mile/2kwh= 30 c/kwh). A 100% RE grid will be 60 cents/kwh ($20/gal) at factory, and 90 c/kwh at super charger. That totals 120 cents/kwh for super charging or $45.6/gal equivalent of Diesel. New combustion tech will be 15 MPGe Diesel and Diesel is $4/gal. 19/15 x 45.6/4 = 14.4 x more for EV. No EV semi truck company can survive this cost ratio. New combustion tech will car 55,000 vs 45,000 LB. 55/45 x 14.44 = 17.6 times more for EV per LB. Then add in added time on the driver to charge. FAIL.

[@alexandrustefanmiron7723]

Diesel is a god send! Efficient and hard to burn!

[@alexandrustefanmiron7723]

I'm shocked! Shocked! Well.. not that shocked.

[@leonardgibney2997]

I take it there's lots of lithium in truck batteries.

[@Procrastinator1948]

Very expensive lithium. And very dangerous when on fire.

[@kenik2023]

BOOM!

[@enterprisencc1701z]

EVs and hydrogen without infrastructure are junk. Hybrids are the best short term answer until batteries and infrastructure catch up.The Steam engine went extinct in the 40s and diesel electric locomotives have been their replacement since them. Diesel electric IS a hybrid !!! Today, Edison Motors has a succesful hybrid logging truck that beats the Tesla in both power and fuel economy and most importantly, and it is lighter than the standard trans truck NRA. No range anxiety. Get it straight .. The infrastructure TODAY CAN NOT support EVs or hydrogen but hybrids can and are doing it with no infrastructure change with BETTER FUEL ECONOMY WITH PROVEN TECHNOLOGY

[@flyingfalcon8999]

Bingo. Long live Topsy!

[@sirjohng1]

Yes but Politicians are totally blind to all this whilst at the same time pushing weather and sunshine dependant power production with no sensible backup. Grid batteries too require enough power over and above normal grid usage to recharge, where is that power supposed to come from? Oh, of course, at night with zero wind, as when the the sun goes down so often does the wind, yeah. Oh, trucks are limited in most countries to a maximum gross weight on the road so the extra weight for batteries just means the truck has less room for the weight of goods it is transporting so gross weight is not an issue, just efficiency.

[@s1p0]

Very large battery. It's a surprise that idiots even tried to build EV Trucks.

[@sorbabaric1]

Roads . . . And bridges. Oops !

[@mikemccormick8115]

But most people who buy trucks are because they think they are cool, not because they actually use the truck for what it’s designed for.

[@Upperroad4480]

Stop talking wet.

[@878Docto]

I live in NY. You do not need cars that go 0-60 in 3 seconds.

[@Matthew_Loutner]

I do. 🤷

[@masaukochitsamba7808]

@@Matthew_Loutner Why?

[@Matthew_Loutner]

@masaukochitsamba7808 Because I never grew up. I am still a child at heart and I like fast cars, ferris wheels, snowmobiles and roller coasters. I build classic hot rods and race them at the drag strip. My current street car only does 0 to 60 in 7.91 seconds. That is TOO SLOW!!! I need to hot rod it up. I was hotrodding cars for the other kids when I was in high school. I need cars to go FAST!

[@dchubworldsharenetwork]

If you have a lot of money and like to throw it away... then 👍

[@Procrastinator1948]

They don't even have the necessary brain power to handle a vehicle that is that fast in N.Y.

[@Echo4Sierra4160]

Upgrading the power grid would take 10 years and cost $2.5 trillion

[@wayando]

Costs are so inflated these days. In the old days they built wonders of the world and they didn't seem to use GDPs of entire continents to do it.

[@daveriddlelin9327]

And destroy environment in process

[@waynegardella6263]

And it will be done, why because the demand is there for more electricity. Mostly for Server Farms if one did their research.

[@daveriddlelin9327]

They haven't started... They need power plants everywhere.. they alone take twenty years.. if they ever start

[@breadmoth6443]

you will never see tractor-trailer 18-wheeler EVs , because the batteries are too heavy, and you haven't even loaded the cargo to transport , lol -- wake up and smell the diesel.

[@ElwoodEBlues]

we already do it Europe - why can't you?

[@breadmoth6443]

@@ElwoodEBlues because we have real world loads , not crap european products that are light , and also the length of the usa is another factor, compared to densely populated europe, does that answer your question?

[@breadmoth6443]

@@ElwoodEBlues compare the size of continental europe to continental usa, then you will realize you can't because of the size of usa , and a long haul truck needs diesel, an ev won't be able to pull that sort of load for that amount of time and length , why is that ?

[@ElwoodEBlues]

@@breadmoth6443 Haha ... what? Do you really believe yourself what you wrote? Just that: American trucks are limited to 80,000 pounds = 36.5 tons. In most European countries the weight limit is 40 tons, despite the fact that trucks are limited to a length of 16.5 meters (55 feet). That's why we have compact semis (cab over engine), with long hoods being a rare exception and Scania the only European manufacturer who builds them. Nonetheless, our compact semis have powerful (600hp) but energy-efficient engines (28 liters/100 km = 8.4 mpg for a fully loaded 40 ton truck) In Germany we now have introduced the Gigaliner - trucks that have a length of 25 meters (83 feet). The weight (and speed) limits apply to them, but many goods _are_ light in weight. Some European countries allow even 44 tons (possible in Germany, too, with extra permission). And 2 countries - Sweden and Finland - allow for trucks to be as heavy as 68 tons (and they are, of course, much longer than 55 feet). Really impressive things, have seen them when I was there travelling. It's now just boxes full of towels we transport. It's car parts, construction materials, chemical products, steel products, machinery, ... you name it. Virtually just like the US.

[@breadmoth6443]

@@ElwoodEBlues im not reading that wall of text my point was clear, if you have to write a essay to get your point across - then it is not worth reading.

[@philliberatore4265]

I would imagine a modern diesel truck could pull majority of trailers out there. I assume an electric truck requires regeneration from the trailer's brakes. An electric truck would be limited to only pulling electric-compatable trailers.

[@Procrastinator1948]

Regeneration provides almost nothing other than some braking power to ev's. Certainly not enough to add any discernable range, unless you do all of your driving downhill. And for those who don't know, the power gained from regeneration never even comes close to the power used to climb a grade.

[@philliberatore4265]

@@Procrastinator1948 Regen braking is what makes EV's practical. That was the big breakthrough when developing the Prius in the 90's. I don't know what percentage of braking power is supplied by the trailer, but it must be significant, otherwise no one would bother. A vehicle spends half its life going downhill. Throwing off that energy as heat has to significantly impact range.

[@Procrastinator1948]

@@philliberatore4265 "Half its life going downhill"??? You live squarely in the middle of the Rockies?😆😆😆

[@philliberatore4265]

@@Procrastinator1948 Very few roads are absolutely level. So any earth-based vehicle covers as much distance uphill as it does downhill.

[@Procrastinator1948]

@@philliberatore4265 Sad part is that you actually believe what you are saying.

[@jamielombardo5292]

Electric trucks have not surpassed diesel for efficiency or reliability or profitability the day it conquers all three it will be on top but not till then

[@878Docto]

Are rich bored billionaires building these as a hobby?

[@waynegardella6263]

And tens of thousands who have the money are buying them. Too bad you don't fall into the category in which the EV manufactures care about.

[@tigerphid9677]

You show the spinning windmills. I passed by a set of 9 windmills near my home in Western Massachusetts recently and NONE of them were spinning.

[@GKelley-gn1ul]

WOW THAT WILL NOT WORK

[@jeffwolf8018]

I'm extremely proud of my brand new 2024 Chevy Express extended 2500 with 15 mpg 6.6 L 400 small block L8T. I would take that engine over any electric garbage or even V6 which is the base engine for the van that I the battery on a EV truck, that's going to take forever to charge and haul the weight of tools and equipment that I have to haul around it would dry up fast. I'd be lucky to get a 120 MI. Out of a 600 mi range. Where is $100 gets me nearly 400 miles now

[@878Docto]

They can deliver cotton candy.

[@sarcasmunlimited1570]

And Styrofoam. Or insulation bags.

[@eryen9503]

Electric vehicles also do not pay for use of the highway/road infrastructure. They are not taxed for using roadways, like ICE vehicles, which pay for roadway use through fuel taxes. In addition, the video is correct in that, the weight of these vehicles are tough on roadway infrastructure and on top of that, don't pay for using the roadways.

[@ericeyerman6285]

I will just put this out there. I saw all these videos on how great EV are, but these people own multiple vehicles, and they all have large gasoline trucks and cars as backup.

[@Upperroad4480]

An Australian road train going from Sydney to Perth would be a joke running on ev power.

[@quartytypo]

With EV trucks, the payload is the battery. Put brake lights on the battery.

[@clintoni856]

Well I guess we now know why north Carolina is in the condition it is!

[@adamv242]

Diesel, baby! It's worked just fine for quite a while now.

[@colinfountain6150]

Who thought these NO BRAINER VEHICLES COULD EVER WORK COMMERCIALY..... CRAZY DONT COME CLOSE !!!!!

[@bobpratt5399]

Science based energy solutions are out there. Nuclear energy is one of them.

[@janhansen554]

Alot of EV in Norway. It looks so fun to stay on a gas stations, and charging EV for 40 minutes and more.. My gas car is full after 3 minutes . ...

[@MrSdallen123]

I could be wrong, but big trucks need 480 volt to charge properly i imagine..

[@ElwoodEBlues]

probably more. Charging at 1MW would require over 2,000 Amps @480V, so higher voltages are better. The charging station would need to be hooked up to a 3-phase AC connection. Europe uses 400V AC for 3-phase conns. Truck chargers here supply up to 400kW, and 1MW chargers are currently being tested. The new 5,6MW wind turbines we currently build produce that (peak) power at 690V - probably multi-phase, but that's 8,000 Amps in total the inverter array must handle ... ! Consider the large arrays of transistors needed ...

[@clintoni856]

This entire fiasco is literally the perfect example of putting the cart before the horse,!😅😂 good luck at seeing how fast you can put 2 and 2 together to give up on them and come up with the great idea too invest in the failure of its stock! Why I would do this with nothing to gain? Because I truly believe the truth should not be sold! You're welcome again!

[@WilliamOPearce]

Only diesel powered trucks make any economic sense. Battery power is only useful for short range, light weight local transportation. For long haul, heavy payload, electric powered heavy trucks are simply unusable and unprofitable. As they have a 300 mile range and 10 hour recharge time. Where as diesel trucks have a 15 minute refueling time and a over 1200 mile range. With diesel service / refueling stations every few miles. Where as electric power stations are very few and very distance and location limited.

[@Matthew_Loutner]

You could put enough solar panels on top of a semi trailer to charge 26 kw per day. (Of course not on cloudy days.)

[@jimmys6566]

Do you mean kW hours on the best day?

[@mmercier0921]

someone will buy all this stuff for pennies on the dollar, and find niche markets. one of those big ass truk batteries could probably run a hotel for a week.

[@michaelkuch5811]

EV's are a complete SCAM and failure - you'd have to be crazy to buy an EV 😮

[@878Docto]

Why don't they put nuclear reactors in the trucks?

[@Matthew_Loutner]

Radiation leakage in an accident. And gallons of water needed for the steam turbine.

[@tamcee6628]

4x4 travell on sand. heavy vechicals get bogged.

[@wayando]

Hybrid is the way ...

[@daveriddlelin9327]

It really is.. cuts batteries hugely..allows for super efficient single speed engines.. twice as efficient..half the size .. and would actually reduce CO2 output.. if u believe climate lie bs

[@arsyadidris6349]

Indeed they are… n a range extender is the best way to go. ICE runs their absolute best when its a constant n static load. No rapid change in rpm (hence internal momentum), n they can tune the ICE to run at its most optimum at a very specific rpm range. Which is actly alot more simple than piling on tech on the ICE to make it efficient over a wider range of rpm. range extenders just need to warm up, n then run at a very narrow rpm range, n they only need to handle a constant load of spinning a motor generator. And a big truck has all the breathing space for all those components no problem. The range extender ICE just need to be powerful enough to meet a semitruck superduper charger halfway., so ~400kw maybe? 540hp. N it doesnt have to be diesel. It just needs to be an on board charger running at 540hp for about an hour maybe, charging the truck as it moves (or when static. What have you).

[@daveriddlelin9327]

@@arsyadidris6349 largest diesel in American trucks 600 HP.. only need 100 or less flat at 65.. 600 only needed to climb and accelerate.. time would quickly figure out if batteries plus 200 hp engine could do it.. maybe 300 hp

[@wayando]

@@arsyadidris6349 ... What of CVT gearbox to enable the engine to keep constant rpm while also transmitting power all the way to the wheels.

[@arsyadidris6349]

@@wayando range extender would striking a balance to satisfy both side of the fence: The folks who want an electrified drivetrain The folks who want the ease of refuelling N both sides do have their sane n reasonable arguments. And range extenders would meet both sides midway. Coz even with CVT, the act of climbing the revs require more energy. Acceleration require more energy than mere static output afterall. Put it this way, with range extenders, ur vehicle is still eligible for ULEV (ultra low emission vehicle) zones in some parts of europe, by simply programing the range extender to turn itself off once it enters that zone. Once it leaves that zone, it can turn itself on again n recharge the battery.

[@martentrudeau6948]

The enemy is from within. Governments and corporations have creditors. The rich rule over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender. Governments and corporations serve their creditors not we the people. The US government owes it's creditors 40 trillion dollars. EV's would not exist if they were not the will of the Creditors and subsidized by them. Because Ev's are not as practical as ICE vehicles.

[@stephenmulholland4868]

Bye bye EV

[@brianbarcroft9167]

Elgon Mush is just a big kid. I'm going to terrform Mars, make an e-truck, driverless taxis....and so on and so forth. And when he isn't shouting about hopes and dreams he is spreading baseless conspiracy theories. He'd do better growing up, calming down and concentrating on what he has got, not on his fantasies.

[@EnthusiasticTent-xt8fh]

Boondoggle

[@erich84502ify]

Buses are getting electric 😅😂

[@jojolapin235]

Propaganda.

[@ElwoodEBlues]

American power stations produce about 4,000 TWh per year in total. another commentator has figured out, possibly correctly), that chargers would be need to supply all american trucks. 50,000 concurrent charges would mean 50,000 charging points (at least) and 50,000 Megawatts total power. That's 50 gigawatts. 10% of America's current average network load. I estimate the load to be 800 GW on a winter day and 300 GW or less on a summer weekend. Currently, only the wind turbines in the US produce 430TWh every year, plus solar doing over 200TWh. Building 50,000 charging points is a problem? Really? No, it isn't. Shouldn't be for a country like America. Yes, you can ... :) Extending the grid, building new wind and solar plants, and car/truck chargers will probably be the next job for the oil industry. They can afford that and can build for *their* future this way. But wait ... badly designed, uninsulated american houses waste 11,000 kWh per year - 3 times the consumption of european houses. Just for AC. For me as a European a crazy waste of precious energy. More solar on american rooftops (or better insulation) could reduce the consumption clearly (and allow for home owners to charge there EVs). There you have the energy for trucks. To my knowledge, America has a thin, fragile electric network with wide loops. Reenforcing the grid to enable it to follow a new scheme of energy production would also allow for electric cars and trucks and improve reliability. This may be necessary as well if America for real & massively builds new nuclear power stations. It's the same situation on both sides of the big pond: people who have incomplete or even wrong information (thanks for nothing, right wing!) figure out why things "can't be changed". Just to argue against changes they fear might cost them a bit. One last point that's totally bad here in Germany is the excessive truck traffic. Goods we buy have been moved over 6,000 miles on a truck on average. Why? Totally stupid. It's just because diesel tax and road toll are *too cheap* - and that lobbyists have blocked regulation for drivers for a long time. At least, the rights of drivers have finally improved (a bit). And Europe's traffic is going electric. Definitely. Will take 20 years or so, but that's OK.

[@Procrastinator1948]

It must be nice to be independently wealthy to the point that you don't have to worry about inflation and are conveniently able to ignore tha damage that the inflation from these stupid green initiatives are doing to the average (not wealthy) person.

[@ElwoodEBlues]

@@Procrastinator1948 we are talking about trucks, not domestic power supply or automatic heating!

[@steveolson69]

@@ElwoodEBluesgo home already as a famous person used to say!

[@ala-hc4rx]

Why is pepsi using more and more testla trucks and ordering more then.r7bbish video

[@Procrastinator1948]

Odds are that the gooberment is subsidizing Pepsico via some backdoor program that is kept under tight wraps.

[@arsyadidris6349]

Pepsico has ~8000 tractors in service. And thats as of 2015, so thats outdated numbers. They might have more, they might have less by now. Watever BEV semis they use is on a fixed route, smthing that they can control. Pepsico has ordered 125 units, of which theyve received about 1/3. Granted, they did another 50 units to that order list. So almost 200 units… of 8000. 2% of their fleet size. Or 1 in almost 46 tractor units. The sheer logistics n cost to go full BEV fleet is nothing short of impossible right now, n only the very large companies have the spare cash to even think about doing this. And even by somthing as large as pepsico, theyre only daring 2% of their fleet. So far, ofcourse. Ur small time or private operators? Forget it.

[@Matthew_Loutner]

Pepsi is running their trucks from a Pepsi warehouse in Nevada to another Pepsi warehouse in California.

[@arsyadidris6349]

@@Matthew_Loutner yeap. Thanks for adding what i said ma dude. Basically between 2 fixed n repetitive points where they know they wont be effed midway.

[@philliberatore4265]

Hey, if it's good enough for Pepsi then it's good enough to be mandated for everybody, everywhere, for everything!

[@stanmitchell3375]

electrify the road

[@GWAForUTBE]

Teslas Gorgeous Cybertruck & Semi is about to revolutionize the industries.

[@Procrastinator1948]

You mean the Tesla Cyberdumpster?

[@GWAForUTBE]

@Procrastinator1948 Call it what you want. When it outsells everything, collapsing your favorite big auto , you will eventually love your Cybertruck.

[@Procrastinator1948]

@@GWAForUTBE You mean like sometime in the next century? Because people needing real trucks aren't going to buy that celebrity showboat.

[@wyw201]

@@GWAForUTBE Let’s make a bet on this

[@michaelmathers6739]

You have no clue. In early 1900 you would have said cars didn’t have any place to gas up who is paying you to push these lies

[@breadmoth6443]

ok but again, show me how you can have an EV 18-wheeler ...the batteries are already heavy before the load of the cargo you are transporting , all that weight will drain the batteries quickly - lol , wake up and smell the diesel.

[@Matthew_Loutner]

Google is paying him.

[@ElwoodEBlues]

@@breadmoth6443 You can have a European 40-ton truck, fully electric, with a 480 kWh battery which probably weighs about 2.5 .. 3 tons and gives you 500km (310 miles of range). But you neither have the heavy Diesel engine, nor the gear box, and no tanks as well. 1,000 liters of Diesel (265 US gal.) weigh about 800 kgs. Diesel and E trucks weigh roughly the same. BTW, european regulations require for truckers to take a mandatory break after 4 hours of driving. Enough time to recharge.

[@breadmoth6443]

@@ElwoodEBlues continental usa is bigger than europe, your ev truck won't be able to drive even half the country in the usa , also >european regulation , don't care.i live in usa

[@breadmoth6443]

@@Matthew_Loutner based on what? and pretty sure google isn't anti-ev.

[@JeanJacquesNantel]

This is a totally useless video since the general public doesn't buy EV trucks, companies do. As a consequence, you will not reduce the sales of EV trucks with that since companies always make thorough analysis before buying trucks. If you want to slow down the inevitable EV revolution, you should concentrate all your resources to denigrate EV cars. You're wasting your time and energy with such useless video.

[@Procrastinator1948]

The real waste of time and energy is building useless short range trucks in the first place. You don't seem to have even the first clue as to how much a trucking company would have to spend to implement these stupid vehicles. It was spelled out in the video, but your comprehension seems to be severely lacking. The seems to be the common denominator when it comes to ev proponents. They absolutely refuse to believe anything other than the warped ideas in thgeir own minds.

[@JeanJacquesNantel]

@@Procrastinator1948 Private companies buy trucks according to their needs and their finance. Tesla studied the market before offering the different versions of the Semi. Something else, the short range trucks can be upgraded if those companies decide to change their priorities. Pepsi, for instance, is pretty happy with the Semis they bought. The electric revolution cannot be stopped.

[@s1p0]

@@JeanJacquesNantel Your faith it's not backed by real-world math and physics. 🤭 Companies have to calculate larger numbers of EV Trucks for same amount of cargo.

[@JeanJacquesNantel]

@@s1p0 Private truck companies always do their best to save as much money as possible. I trust them to buy the best possible trucks to make the largest possible profits by eliminating as much costs as possible. Capitalism works.

[@ElwoodEBlues]

@@Procrastinator1948 Amazon in Europe has started to introduce electric trucks and has announced to be all-electric and all-renewable soon. E-Trucks are actually being introduced generally, though not very fast yet. But european truck manufacturers (Volvo, Scania, Mercedes-Benz, Renault, to name some) are all developing and already selling them. Yes, the infrastructure is still under construction as well. But we have a system of CO2 certificates that enterprises must buy to be allowed to emit, and while these were free for a starter, they are now traded at a special exchange. America is still too much oil-centric. And burns more oil than China ... ! I call this bad, inefficient, and wasteful.

[@patricksullivan3919]

No range. Slow recharge. DUH

[@MC-qo3sj]

This person sounds zesty