The REAL story of the New Testament: Evidence for the Bible pt13

[@xiupsilon876]

I thank God for bringing me to this series and you Mike for having made it available. I'm rewatching it, but it helped to solidify my faith exactly a year ago when I found my way back home after some 20 odd years.

[@jeffwarren6906]

It is wonderful to hear how the Holy Spirit led you back home brother .. You must be so happy .. I as well am rewatching this series God Bless

[@damianwhite9058]

your talks are too interesting to sleep through

[@completeTeresa]

I admit that Mike's videos are really interesting but his voice is so comforting it puts me to sleep almost every time.

[@kylerhamilton6676]

Amen

[@tklick19]

100%

[@darrelldamon2745]

Well said bro, "we're back to where we started" the bible is true

[@mrfullofcrap]

i've always been subscribed to this channel. but never really watched alot of videos. i'm gonnna go through all of the Series. 13 is amazing so far.

[@rodneymeeks4166]

My FAVORITE apologetic argument!!! Thanks for the refresher!

[@ruthvansandt9713]

Mike thanks for your boldness at continuing to “study to show ourselves approved” and teach the gospel even in light of so many goofy comments in these comments sections! Thanks again for this study of the history of the Bible.

[@EllenSmyth]

Love, love, love! Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your ministry, Pastor Mike!

[@Meg_219]

SO well articulated, comprehensible, thorough, and compelling, as always Pastor Mike!!

[@jimwinchester339]

Another gold star for Mike Winger. An outstanding presentation.

[@shane111]

Hi Mike, i was wondering if you might be able to link source info of where you got your info. Id really like to dive deeper. This is a topic I've personally struggled with when its brought up in arguments.

[@ivyuttaro4144]

Thank you Mike Winger! May the Lord bless you and keep you as you faithfully, diligently, and intelligently, present all these videos.

[@joycesavage2629]

Learning so much. Thank you. Read Daniel again with my eyes open, what a difference.

[@lorriepeek5636]

God must be so proud of Mike. ♥️ Well pleased.

[@ericsonofjohn9384]

That’s a good point to make about skeptics choosing the rejected scriptures to throw doubt rather than the useful but not accepted ones. Why would you purposefully make the weaker argument for what should have been canon, unless you’re aim is to undermine the canon itself?

[@Carvis83]

This was solid right here Mike 💪🏽. Press on brother!

[@cDs8880]

Thank you so much for this series!

[@mariedeiter514]

Mike can you please recommend which Septuagint I should read. There are so many authors so I just don’t know. Thank you.

[@kevinwynn6582]

Mike, thanks for addressing my questions from last week in this video. I have a few more from this weeks video. Somewhere around minute 10 you talk about Clements letter to the Corinthians as being written by a committee of leaders in Rome. Where do you get that information from? Also have you read St. Ignatius of Antioch's letter to the Smyrnaens?

[@JonathasSucupira]

I have the same questions, I am having issues finding them. @ Mike Winger

[@Valkyrie00]

He invented it

[@curtiseisenbeis2484]

Thank you for making this a fun experience, I really enjoyed watching this :)

[@mccalltrader]

I reckon, that since God chose to use the written word to communicate the gospel..that he would also protect it But I’m also vigilant in pursuing that truth..hence me watching this video...also Lee Strobels book rooks

[@shogiwar]

In the summary Mike lists the popular but not accepted and the list includes the Gospel of Thomas. Then he lists the rejected books which also included the Gospel of Thomas. And he repeats that it is rejected when talking about liberal scholars. Was the first mention just a mistake , was there a different book meant to be said ?

[@nougat1020]

Can anyone recommend good sources to study this in detail? :)

[@donatist59]

Lee McDonald's "The Biblical Canon" is a great place to start.

[@kristyleavitt8007]

I’m really enjoying this series! Thank you for your thorough explanations!

[@queenSummerKeli]

Thanks so much for all your work.

[@bntaft5133]

Thank you, Mike. This helps. Now to try to find copies of these references.

[@elti8614]

Why is Gospel of Thomas mentioned in both groups the writing which are accepted and the writings which are rejected by the early church?

[@neverbememe]

33:00 for my notes about how serious the word is taken 33:40

[@dodleymortune4312]

I find it interesting that of all the books of the Bible Revelation wich was the last written and logically the last one get well known and accepted have at the end a warning for adding scriptures or removing scriptures from it. And what is most interesting is that it's the only book that does this; for me this is a sign that what we have is the canon and that Revelation was really the end of the canon Plus, the subject of this last book is the end of all things, and at its it has this statement of finality like no other books it'S clear that there is a mind behind this work ; however we know it can not be the mind of men because they written decades and even centuries appart.

[@rajanishanker7386]

This is SO good

[@GrabEmByThePlushie]

You know, even if someone didn't think scriptures were inspired and Paul and co just sorta wrote what they felt was right. You gotta remember, these guys were convinced Jesus is Lord more than we do. They saw his miracles and saw him rise from the dead. And to think they would tell someone something that would've gone against Jesus'teaching is just crazy.

[@AnHebrewChild]

You've got a lot to learn.

[@GrabEmByThePlushie]

@@AnHebrewChild says the person that doesn't know when to use "an" or "a".

[@AnHebrewChild]

@@GrabEmByThePlushie Deuteronomy 15:12 (KJV) And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. In British English, the H is silent and therefore calls for a preceding "an" as its indefinite article. Be blessed.

[@jeannetteirvin6754]

How many full books survived Diocletian? If only pieces and portions then how was the cannon collected?

[@NotthatBenny]

Based on what he said (I’m not an expert and didn’t look into it), it seems that the document was more than simply a list. So the beginning and the end of the whole document were missing but the list, which was more centrally located, was mostly preserved. Maybe you already got an answer by now, but I hope that helps!

[@nickkoster7087]

It all makes sense to me. But I just don't understand why Revelation was accepted so late if it was/is supposed to be from John the Apostle?

[@ericdressler16]

Mike mentioned that there were several cults led by heretics that often twisted Revelations to support their teachings. Either the church thought it best to not include Revelation as a way to disarm these cults, or because Revelation was so easily twisted it caused doubt in the churches that dealt with these cults.

[@Shevytruck6]

What about the Sonnini manuscript? Or last chapter of the apostles

[@IBenZik]

Please tell us.

[@janbasdegroot2186]

Can someone give me a source for the excommunication of the author of third Corinthians?

[@IBenZik]

I really want to know why Paul or Peter never mentioned Peter as pope.

[@michaelharrington6698]

They talked about controversial things, not obvious things.

[@IBenZik]

@@michaelharrington6698 Now back to my question.

[@michaelharrington6698]

That answered your question

[@IBenZik]

@@michaelharrington6698 Jesus is the Rock, not Peter

[@michaelharrington6698]

@@IBenZik Thats not what Jesus said. Why did he rename Simon to Peter? Every time God renames somebody it redefines their purpose.

[@joshuadurand]

Somebody get him some water!

[@janwaska521]

This series is excellent Thank you Mike Well done, good and faithful servant However, there’s one thing I didn’t like: that you told us to sleep through the explanation and wake up for the summary at the end of your presentation. That’s a no-no. If we’re sleepy, then take a nap and come back to the video later. Let’s not miss the details. The more, the better. What we need is the juicy substance, very abundantly, though the summary is fine too. Keep the good work!

[@BenjaminOommen]

Good observation Jan, but I reckon what Mike was talking about was to the audience present when it was recorded. We of course, have the luxury to do that but it's different in a live setting. Also it could have been during night time like most Bible studies are. Gday

[@StandOnTruth2010]

This is a great video but I think Mike had a slip up when he said, "You cant have someone come and write about Moses 500 years after Moses." That opens up a door to the question of, "Well how did Moses write about Abraham, Issac, Jacob, etc. We can hypothesize sources that link the time periods or divine orating. But as far as I know that is a black hole of concrete information unless someone here knows something I dont know.

[@paulawad9585]

brother mike, u ever considered going on periscope?? :)

[@MikeWinger]

+Paul Awad I would happily do so if someone wants to do all the work to make it happen. :) haha. I'm juggling all I can at the moment and I hope to do more as those opportunities arise.

[@paulawad9585]

Mike Winger bro honestly i just debated an atheist by the name of "izzy420high" who broadcasted and asked me to prove Christianity is true, and he asked me a lot of questions on this topic (hence why im watching ur vids and taking notes ;) i was thinking to myself "imagine mike skype called in. That would make for a very interesting discussion, and would definitely open his followers up to looking into Christianity. If you have twitter, u can hop any time, and i am KrisJonesMMA on twitter... either follow me or give me ur name and hopefully whenever u have time u can hop on periscope and make the debate happen!!! :) thank u so much for sharing ur time and ur knowledge to the world :) i really appreciate it, and i am learning little by little every day :)

[@MikeWinger]

+Paul Awad those experiences can be very educational. It causes you to dig deep in a good way. I sure hope my videos equip you well. I try to make reference to other good sources in the videos if you need to do more research. Its important to try and listen carefully to the statements the skeptic makes so you can respond well. I am on twitter, though mostly I just post updates when a new video comes out, @mikewingerii

[@kennispowell803]

your vids are life itself... Please keep uploading...

[@htebazileeilsel2293]

Wonderful!

[@jeannetteirvin6754]

Why was the books of Clement not recognized as inspired?

[@donatist59]

Early Christians used the word "inspired" way more than we do. Lots of books were considered inspired but not canonical. I'd recommend Lee McDonald's "The Biblical Canon" as a great resource on these issues.

[@boltvanderhuge4007]

It is hard to think biblically about the NT canon process.

[@Deacondan240]

Mike- You said towards the end, you metion the Gospel of Thomas 2x. Once as read/not accepted and 2. as completely rejected. I think it was a gnostic.I also find it fascinating to read the early Christian writings. Almost like commentaries of their culture, the latest book in the book store...informative, but not inspirited.In debating Infant vs credo baptism, I have referenced the Didiche, which only promoted CB.I would take issue when you say the Montanist were a cult. They were the last formative group to hold to a filled life in the Holy Spirit, claiming the priesthood of all believers. Then the church became ecclesiastical, lifeless, corrupt. That is one world view.Some modern reformed churches are now neo-Catholic by accepting much church tradition, infant Baptism, creeds, etc, and really do not address the papacy and keys to the kingdom claim. IF the church is not catholic, vertical, one under Rome, them what is it, and how far back do you go to break free from papal Rome? Before Augustine? I'm not seventh day Adventist, but their historicist view of eschatology provides a blue print for church history with some preterist elements and some still future elements. Lots to challenge and compare for understanding.

[@jasonissel217]

God said "I am the alpha and the Omega" the beginning and the end. That is the canon, done period; someone call lunch!

[@joseg.solano1891]

That's Jesus, not the canon.

[@saifshareef7194]

What about the Catholic Canon of 73 books?

[@lucianov.perdomo5075]

See the video prior to this one

[@skymetz4982]

Mine Winger isn’t honest on the canon of the Bible.

[@DavidWoelkechannel]

What is the difference in the meaning of disciple and apostle? How many apostles were there? An internet search equates the words as synonymous and there were 12 apostles. Does this mean Judas Iscariot was an apostle? I am a disciple of Christ, so does that mean I am an apostle, too?

[@christian1172-z9e]

I believe a disciple would be a student and an apostle would be someone sent to teach.

[@juanaviles7164]

Thank you so much I love this kind of information

[@suzanholland]

I'm not so sure we can make the definitive claim that those writers were not actual apostles in the true sense. Paul was certainly not the last/final apostle to be mentioned in the Word--Paul, himself, speaks of others as apostles (aside from/after/in addition to "the 12"). shalom

[@suzanholland]

great series though!!

[@Papasquatch73]

Why was the Epistle of Barnabas and Shepherd of Hermas codified in the oldest existing bible

[@IBenZik]

Good question, you should direct it to the Vatican

[@alvideos2145]

Never understood why they took out is it the gospel of peter? now i dont remember :P

[@user-bv9oi8bx7n]

Can you advise an easy way to study the stories in the bible...like are there any study guides and tests on the stories? A lot of preachers preach on how things relate to our lifes and theology. which is okay but I want to know the stories by heart so all I want is like an educational background on the stories like they did in high School with Shakespeare etc.... ????

[@44liisa44]

Is there a Sunday School at a church near you? In some Sunday School classes they teach stories and have quizzes and tests :)

[@ibperson7765]

James was NOT an apostle. That book can be an issue for some. As Luther noted

[@AnHebrewChild]

The author of James is James of Alphæus. I won't be debating this btw. It's up to you to do your own homework -- if you are, in fact, sufficiently interested.

[@ibperson7765]

@@AnHebrewChild Ok. Thanks for telling me. I’ll check it out

[@AnHebrewChild]

@@ibperson7765 you're welcome. My apologies for the curt response, "I won't be debating with you" I don't know you! I'm just always reticent to comment on YT as so many seem to just like to argue. Even on Christian channels. :/ Hence, the defensive posture. Ha. Be blessed

[@ibperson7765]

@@AnHebrewChild Your comment didnt bother me. And believe me I understand such a stance

[@franknunez]

dude, you're so funny hehe. I can't wait for next week.

[@jamesjahavey1681]

Where did 1 John 5-7 come from KJV and why would some one do that?

[@claudiaperfetti7694]

They didn't have earlier manuscripts more than a hundred years ago, that's why. Now we can check the earlier texts

[@Papasquatch73]

You said around 48:20 Gospel of Thomas was never accepted but loved then you said the Gospel of Thomas was wholly rejected. Which one is it?

[@debras3806]

Gene Williams Hi Gene, I've just begun listening and haven't gotten that far into the video yet, so I could be wrong about what Mike is saying, but based on my previous study I'm guessing that he means it was loved by certain individuals or certain heretical sect groups but always wholly rejected by the orthodox/catholic Church.

[@MusedeMented]

No, he actually said that SOME on that list of rejected books were popular, not specifically the Gospel of Thomas.

[@bradenglass4753]

He didn't say that actually, relisten. Stop peddling nonsense

[@mccalltrader]

There is this new trend to ignore the rest of the Bible and just focus on the red letter..because those are Jesus words...and I’m all like..Jesus didnt write them..somebody dictated them...how is that different than what happened with the prophets and apostles...I mean, who do they think was inspiring them to write his words I mean..come on!

[@BrockJamesStory]

Paul says his name in every letter, very unlikely it was Paul

[@reznet2]

Thanks for making the case for Catholicism, Mike Winger 😂

[@bethl]

Not even close

[@ibelieve3111]

Hey

[@coreywhite6882]

Man he reminds me of Jon Crist

[@pokemonbacon1237]

33:00

[@j.reesebradley4771]

Twinkle in the eye.

[@LanghamW1]

@2:10 The 1st century is 1 - 100, NOT 0 - 99. There is no year zero! Details, details, AD 100 is the 100th year, the clue is in the number. Decades end with a 0, centuries end with 00, millennia end with 000.

[@DareusTyn]

It says a lot that that was the only "mistake" you found :-)

[@Nelly-J]

I've always learned that the 1st century A. D. Is 0-99AD as it begins with birth of christ. That why the 1800s were the 19th century and 1900s were 20th century and we are currently in the 2000s which is the 21st century.

[@LanghamW1]

@@Nelly-J Sorry, but you had bad teachers. There is NO year zero! We go from 1 BC straight to AD 1. And by-the-way Jesus was born in 2 BC. Just count your fingers and thumbs, you'll go from 1 to 10, the 0 marks the end of a decade, a century, or a millennium: each new decade, century, or millennium, always starts with a 1. What do you think 1 stands for, 2? It's all pretty obvious really. I've just finished making a video that might help you to understand numbers, I invite you to watch it. Search for: The Jubilee Year Explained. It'll be 30 minutes well spent.

[@elti8614]

No man sorry, we're in the 21st century, somehow our years start with 20..

[@lepidoptera9337]

Do you have the right books? You have the books you chose as the foundation of the scam. Now you have to live with your own choices. ;-)

[@Valkyrie00]

Pope Clement was not a Pope even though he was the pope because the pope is the bishop of Rome

[@Spacemuffin147]

Was that a fart @ 36:17?

[@annikaelisaa1879]

HAHHAH good catch 💨🤣

[@Daniel5.14]

Geez…Pastor “Cough-into-the-Mic” Winger rupturing our eardrums. 👎🏼👎🏼

[@mememe1468]

🤔 hmmmmm Catholics site early church fathers as evidence for the papacy and you say,” oh, they do that because it’s not in the Bible. so they go to external sources .” But when you go to the church fathers to establish your canon because it’s not listed in the scriptures you think it’s a valid apologetic. The irony is sweet 😊

[@durpyyoung2767]

The difference is that the papacy is not scriptural whatsoever. Catholics go to the church fathers for doctrines not mentioned in scripture while Mike is simply showing that the Early church was in Major agreement when it came to the New Testament. Unlike Doctrines like the Papacy, Purgatory, Rosary, Eucharist etc.🙃

[@richardbryan6134]

Still waiting for that honest answer about your PERSONAL reading of Ehrman's work. You DO know, don't you Mike, that evasion is a tacit admission of deception. We all know that. Apologize to your audience.

[@MikeWinger]

Richard, I've already interacted with you and your witch hunt. I'm just not interested in dialoging with someone who acts the way you do. You can surmise that I'm a coward or uninformed, I don't care. I would like you to continue being able to watch my videos and comment but if you do this sort of personal attack spam on another video I'm going to actually block you. You seem to think I've already blocked you and deleted your comments so it wouldn't really make things any different.

[@richardbryan6134]

Had you actually read, personally, Dr. Ehrman's work, you would have answered in a simple way long ago. You clearly haven't and you've been embarrassed by my challenge. What I think is that you're intellectually dishonest and shallow. If you don't care about that, then there, at long last, is my answer. Quit being fake. Apologize to your audience and go back to school.

[@jamie7880]

Richard Bryan Before examining the spec in his eye, why don't you take out the log in your eye first? Then you can examine the spec in his eye, and find that he doesn't do what you accuse him of

[@jamie7880]

Richard Bryan i am really tired of human beings right now.....

[@gemguy6812]

Why buy Ehrman's book when the main points can be brought up in debates, and refuted.

[@chrisbrooks4032]

Evidence for the bible: The bible. Yawn.

[@bradenglass4753]

?

[@TheRobdarling]

Jesus is myth.

[@Deacondan240]

In your dreams.

[@markhorton3994]

Josephus a Jewish non-christian historian of the late first century treats Jesus as a real person. Jesus existed. Who and what He is, is theology.

[@chrisbrooks4032]

@@markhorton3994 That's a catholic church forgery. Wrong.

[@philipbuckley759]

this type of comment is interesting, because if this individual cant convince you....oh well....you are left, out to dry....to use an expression....

[@chrisbrooks4032]

@@philipbuckley759 On the contrary, if this doofus does convince you, then you need your head examined.