The REAL truth about the Leyland Princess

[@gerardclarke8096]

Hello, my Breeeetesh (Leyland) choooms. I have now sold the Princess to a bloke who will cherish it.

[@peternewnham6549]

In my experience, having both owned and driven many British Leyland vehicles of that era, they are often unfairly maligned. Your review was a breath of fresh air.

[@GrandThriftAuto]

Thanks Peter! I’m generally drawn to cars that get a (mostly) unfair kicking.

[@T16MGJ]

@@GrandThriftAuto Trouble is, there are many Clarkson wannabees who simply must bad mouth UK automotive product and. just like him, they'll be millyonaires within a year. Yes just like Old Farmer Clarkson now up on the Cotswold Hill Grasslands today.😁

[@banana9106]

Did you try the Allegro, that thing was like driving a tank

[@T16MGJ]

@@banana9106 I have driven a Tank and had Princess and Allegro Company cars. Cannot agree with that at all.

[@samrodian919]

I agree with you. My dad had two Morris( pre BL) motors from new first in 1964 a 1100 with the precursor to the hudragas system the Hydrolastic which used fluid rather than nitrogen gas. That was pretty comfortable for a 10 year old in the back lol then he had the 1800 so called Land Crab with enough room in the back "To hold a dance" as my dad said lol. I had two 1500 Maxi's both at least ten years old in the late 80's and early 90's and I loved them, first hatch back's I ever owned and use to travel all over the south of England on fishing trips and had masses of room to get all my gear in. I got the Maxi as my elder brother had one from new and had an awful track of about half a mile up to his house in the Pennines and the suspension coped with the boulders and slabs of rock on the track admirably. I think they were great cars, spoilt by the ever present strikes in the Leland years.

[@bizarroworld3902]

Drove a 2 litre one as a taxi for a couple of years back in the day. The company had Sierra's too but the Princess was always smoother to drive, had more torque and punters were always impressed with the rear leg room.

[@anhedonianepiphany5588]

As an Australian, I thank you for the recognition of our various contributions. Glad to have discovered your channel.

[@Arltratlo]

how many Aussie made cars are sold in Europe??

[@andrewread154]

Not sure what you mean?

[@Gr1ff1D0]

An Australian viewer here. The (now thoroughly defunct) Australian motor industry did have a habit of working out ways to add some width or extra grunt to car designs and motors from offshore. I think it had a lot to do with distances in Australia. You can drive for a very long way in Australia between destinations. The Princess looks delightful. Cars which are comfortable and easy to drive a very long way and still feel fresh are the cars I really enjoy now. Congratulations on your great video about the Princess. I will look for some more of your videos.

[@jimdavis6448]

I found the Princess was the best car I've driven in the snow and I have driven many types of car since 1971.

[@spudhead169]

You met basically a legend and passed up what would undoubtedly be an impromptu exclusive out of respect. That shows pure class mate, props.

[@jamescagney2713]

I guess you never sat in a Rolls, Bently Jag. Bristol or Aston even?

[@spudhead169]

@@jamescagney2713 I've eaten plenty of rolls.

[@T16MGJ]

@@jamescagney2713 Top of the World Mah. I did. Sold some too.

[@derekheeps1244]

@@jamescagney2713 One of my friends is heavily into old British cars : he has two Healey 3000s , an MGA , a Bristol 409 and a Jensen C-V8 ; I've been out in all of them . Another friend has an E-Type 2+2 . Not all British cars are bad . I also ended up owning a Herald 1200 at one point , quite an entertaining little car , after a friend asked me to go with him to look at it ; turned out he had no money so muggins paid for it and told him he could have the car when he came up with the money , which he never did , so after keeping it six months or so , I sold it on at a profit !I paid £40 for it and sold it for £60

[@winniepeg2020]

brilliant video 😎 me and my dad found a green one crashed in a hedge in1980,keys were in it, my dad said get in, he drove it to the police station, my dad said, I'll put it on my drive till you find the owner, the registered keeper had sold it that day, he let the new owner take the log book, so they didn't know who owned it, several months later a police officer came to our house, he said scrap it or register and keep it,looked like a new car,think it was 2 yrs old, my dad had it till 2011, snow plough drove into it😰

[@GrandThriftAuto]

Wow, that’s quite a story! Shame it’s not still around but at least it had a long second life 😊

[@winniepeg2020]

@@GrandThriftAuto yes😃 I was going to have it😰

[@doctormengele961]

@@GrandThriftAuto great peice , BMC Australia was also responsible for enlarging the B series engine from 1500cc to 1622cc in Australian built Morris Major Elite series 2 and to share parts they extended the block to 6 cylinders 2433cc and used it in the british Wolseley 16/50 aka the Australian Wolseley 24/80 and Austin Freeway, i might add the only reason the 2600 E series wasnt used in the Tasman Kimberley range is because the longer stroke of the 1750 engine fouled with the shared gearbox of the Austin 1800 which as you know BMC would rather use whats used in the parts bin, than totally redesign the 1800 gearbox to accomodate the longer stroke . IMHO if BMC did use the 2600 in the TASMAN / KIMBERLEY range with the taller final drive as the princess had 3.7 instead of 4.11 or a 5 speed gearbox it would have been a huge success oh what might have been if it wasnt for the penny pinchers at BMC

[@peterbennet7145]

Almost 300K views in a month for a video about the Austin Princess ! I'd never have believed it. But this channel is outstanding, so thoroughly deserved. You've even made me appreciate "the wedge".

[@GrandThriftAuto]

Nobody’s more surprised than me! Very glad you’re enjoying the channel though, I’m just finishing the edit on a video about a different wedge…

[@RetroGamesCollector]

@@GrandThriftAuto TR7? Nothing was wedgier than that ;)

[@GrandThriftAuto]

@@RetroGamesCollector Very true! Except maybe the 1970s Lotuses…and see my other recent videos for a TR7 and a Lotus Elite 😊

[@nickbrown4762]

Ahhh memories. I was a mechanic in the 80s working for an British Leyland then Austin rover. Also I owned one, many miles motoring.

[@doctormengele961]

Ive owned E series engined cars for over 37yrs one thing has allways puzzled me why does every workshop manual say to set valve clearances 26 thou exhaust and 18 thou inlet ? They sound like rattly deisels . I found out the hard way. Only discovering that valve clearance need to be reset when clearances get below 9 thou, i set them all at 12 thou more lift, better performance and super quiet, i wonder how many mechanics went through this BS and how many unhappy customers with noisy valve trains because of this

[@famousamoss]

Great video and can’t believe I’ve only just discovered this channel. I’m a proud Aussie owner of an Austin A30, Humber Super Snipe Series IV, Vauxhall Viva HA and Jag S Type (along with a Saab and two Australian Fords). I really admire your down-to-earth attitude, humble approach and affinity for the cars that once were affordable family transport. Nice.

[@noexpensespentstudios]

As a long term Princess owner, this has to be one of the best reviews I've seen of what they're actually like to drive. On A roads especially it's a joy to just waft along, easing off a little for corners and just making use of the torque and momentum for a stress free experience. Brakes are very good for a car of its age so if you need to pull up sharpish you can. They're not fast cars certainly, but they are good at making progress and perfectly at home on the motorway even today providing you can tolerate the lack of fifth gear or any sort of overdrive. I suppose the Maxi having five gears was seen as adequate for the range and that's another thing the Princess didn't get as a result.

[@GrandThriftAuto]

Thanks Angyl - I did think of you when I was talking about displacers! I meant to give you a shout out but I forgot, apologies. I'll put out a post later in the week instead.

[@iancross4631]

Great to see a fellow Princess owner online. There are not many of us!

[@noexpensespentstudios]

@@GrandThriftAuto I did have a little chuckle when you mentioned not wanting your Hydragas to turn into Hydrasag. Been there, done that.

[@noexpensespentstudios]

@@iancross4631 We are the best people, impeccable taste, very successful and all that probably ;)

[@roadworkuk9791]

@@GrandThriftAuto The 'very light, but precise' nature of the steering makes me think that, as a Rover 800 pedaller, I'd feel at home in a Princess.

[@martynmiles112]

A balanced and informative review. The Presenter is both well informed and articulate. Other car Presenters could learn a lot from him...

[@grandstokie7042]

I had three Princesses when I was younger. The best was the 2.2 HLS model, light blue with the black vinyl roof with two arm rests, which was unheard of back then. I loved them all despite their reliability issues, Great post brought back a lot of memories.

[@leebryant9269]

After owning a Morris 1800, I bought its successor, a Princess 2200 HLS. It was both the most comfortable car I ever owned, with a gorgeous shape and the most unreliable car I ever owned. I had it for 20 months, before I had to get rid of it. It was off the road almost as much as it was on. On one occasion (I was stationed in Berlin, Germany), it took 14 weeks to get a part for the gearbox, which broke. I could put the car in gear, change gear and the speedo would register the supposed speed I was doing, but the car was stationary. On another occasion, I drove home to the UK and the clutch went 8 miles from my parents' home. I was towed there by a kindly tractor driver with a trailer. We got it fixed and swapped it for a 2.3 litre Ford Granada L - very basic inside, but very reliable for going backwards and forwards to Berlin (I had that car for nearly 10 years)! The Princess could have been one of British Leyland's best cars, but unfortunately, it was the opposite.

[@jamescagney2713]

I think it is best described as a bit of crap. True, it may have been better than some models, but get real please.

[@grandstokie7042]

@James Cagney there's always one miserable git like you. Maybe some of us couldn't afford better cars back then, I know I couldn't.

[@thetruthk5138]

​@@jamescagney2713 You are to kind Sir I had the misfortune to own one This video bought all the nightmares back

[@marktonkinson5021]

I bought an Austin Princess for £80.00 from a car auction back in 1989 whilst at Uni. Every time I slammed the drivers door I could hear the car get just a little bit lighter as the rust from the lower bodywork tinkled to the floor. Happy days, loved that car.

[@wilsjane]

Garages never seemed to grasp the concept, that if the hydrogas suspension needed to be repressurised every week, their may be a leak somewhere. LOL

[@iancross4631]

A brilliant review. As a 2.2 Princess owner myself I do enjoy seeing them on film.

[@alastairwatson3201]

You’re welcome! For the extra cylinders, that is. Not that I added them personally. Mind you, the blokes that did are probably all dead now, just like our auto industry, so I’ll take posthumous credit on behalf of my country. Cheers from Tasmania, Australia.

[@doctormengele961]

We Aussies extended the B series engine from 1500cc to 1622cc for our Morris Major Elite then extended by 2 cylinders to give us the B Series Blue Streak six for the Wolseley 24/80 Austin Freeway

[@andiparker3733]

I love how the interior is like your living room would have been back in those days with the carpets and those gorgeous seats! It's gorgeous..

[@peterfitzpatrick7032]

4:25 look at that space around the engine, a mechanics dream... 😂👏

[@andyxox4168]

And it fails often enough that you need that space!

[@peterfitzpatrick7032]

​@@andyxox4168Hah ! 😅👍

[@burgo1408]

Both my grandad and my dad were engineers at Leyland. I remember my grandad taking me a run in his brand new black princess. I thought it looked like a sports car. THAT short trip put me off automatic cars for many years. The ferocious gear changing as he accelerated, the whole car shook and jolted up the gears. My whole family drove rover cars at this time, probably due to the discounted prices for employees. I remember growing up taking trips to the scrap yards to fix endless problems they had. Good times 🤣

[@spidertheboris]

My dad had an automatic Princess that also put me off automatic cars for many years with a thumping gearbox. Now decades later I only have automatic cars, to say they've come on a bit since then would be an understatement. The 8 speed ZF auto box in my current BMW is excellent.

[@jamescagney2713]

Some of the early Rover were good Some early mini and the like were arguably good. Never a patch on a quality car perhaps, but lets face it, leyland killed off the last remaining bit of crap Britain had to offer imo

[@nicholascope1497]

@@jamescagney2713 How can you justify saying early Rovers (and the Mini) were not quality cars? The Queen & various PMs & cabinet ministers clealy thought otherwise.

[@michaelplunkett8059]

@@nicholascope1497 They had to for political reasons. The Queen banging Balmoral around in a huge Cadillac Eldorado, a Jeep, or a Citroen? Perish the thought. Much too much class, much too devoted to her nation.

[@nicholascope1497]

@@michaelplunkett8059 OK, I can accept there may have been 'political reasons' behind the UK political establishment being seen in Rovers / Daimlers / Humbers / etc - but how can you explain the passionate following British cars have in classic car circles? Are we all wrong? I have (since the 70s) driven British cars my whole life & though I've had romances with other fine cars (Audi, Renault, Saab) I find I always return Brit classics. They may not be the absolute best in any particular area but as an overall package they have a unique style & charm - and they're also absolutely reliable. I find the endless fashionable trashing of Brit cars very tiring (& I'm not British).

[@fhwolthuis]

Great video, Martin. I remember having had a ride in one or an Austin Ambassador, I can't remember, when on a hitchhike vacation in the UK in 1991. The comfort is what stood out for me.

[@RetroGamesCollector]

I only had one journey in a Princess as a kid back in the day and the memory I took away from that journey was that it was the most comfortable car I had ever travelled in. I'm so glad it wasn't just rose tinted specs and that my memory was indeed correct! 😁

[@sess5206]

Regards from the United States. I drove what was called in the States, an Austin America. One lovely day, the steering failed and I had no control of the car. I quickly discovered that if I pulled the wheel hard towards myself, I could regain steering. That was enough experience for BL cars of that era.

[@mikemartin2957]

That's the lower column pinch bolt! It needs two half inch spanners to make sure it's clamped tight onto the rack pinon splines.needs checking every 6000miles. Many1100 & 1300 owners list control because the slack bolt could cause the splines to wear smooth 😮

[@bernieshort6311]

I owned a 2.2 L HLS Princess, and it was one of the best cars I ever had, I lost oi pressure on the motorway and the big ends went. I could still run the car for a while but eventually got a local engineering firm to grind the crankshaft and rebore the cylinders along with oversized crank shells and pistons and or piston rings to match. I can't remember which. I had stripped the engine myself and rebuilt it. It was by far one of the best cars I ever owned and the only reason I let it go was because the bodywork let it down. The colour was a kind of purple Blue and was metallic. They were beautiful family cars and a beauty to ride. Thank you for this video which I have enjoyed.

[@ComeJesusChrist]

I think people have been very unfairly critical of the shape of the Princess. It is certainly a radical design, but there are a few design clues clearly nicked by others, like Peugeot. It is not an ugly car at all and it is certainly not dull. I don't particularly get excited about practical classics from Britain, but there are a few quite unique cars that dared and it should be appreciated. That scene was certainly more diverse than today's.

[@kevbridges3963]

My dad gave me his old green Princess, I loved it, well it was free. I remember stopping on steep hill in Derbyshire, when I applied the handbrake the rear rubber suspension retaining strap snapped and the cars left hand side lifted about six inches higher than the right hand side, my girlfriends face was a picture of panic, I have to admit I was also taken by surprise, I hadn`t got a clue what had just happened at the time. However It was A good car also bit of a rust bucket, but no more than any other car at that time.

[@SpookyFox1000]

My Dad had one in a lovely metallic light blue and it was a nice car ! Nothing went wrong and it was extremely comfortable ! He kept it for 3 years and did quite a lot of miles !

[@rolandveshengho3913]

I had an old one for ten months. It was a 2.2 with plush heated seats and was massive. Good training for driving a lwb panel Van. It was really comfortable on a long journey,where the four speed box would be a semi auto ,using second and fourth gear for hours. We called them ' poor man's jags' , after a molislip oil treatment it would do 35 plus mpg cruising and 25 plus round town. Five adults and full luggage . I used to love sleeping in it in summer . My driver's seat had retractable plush velvet armrests. I always thought it was a cheaper later reinterpretation of the BMC s with rolls engines from the sixties,or a landcrab of the future. Of all my motors , I look back and realise I truly loved the fwd triumph 1500 ,and my princess,with scabby arches. Thanks for your hard work on the videos.x

[@Car_and_classic_lover]

Great review. I've always loved the Princess. The car that you drove looked like an amazing example and the wooden dash really suits the car I think. Its also lovely to see Harris Mann attending these shows and speaking to enthusiasts.👍

[@chrisstuart1227]

I remember them being used has Taxis

[@blitzroehre1807]

Had an export 1,8 LHD version in Germany in late 1980s. Very few sold here. I stopped counting on how many people asked me about "this strange 4-door Scirocco lookalike" Never let me down though, not even the Hydrolastic

[@nigeltimms1374]

Back in the mid 1970's I worked at the Pressed Steel factory at Oxford which made the Princess, Maxi and Marina bodies. These were then transferred via an overhead bridge to the Morris plant to fit the engines, interior, wheels etc. In particular I fitted the Princess and Maxi left hand front and rear doors. I worked on the night shift and at the tender age of about 22, I met a varied selection of characters! They were great friends but were subject to a number of pranks! For instance, they would nail my tool box to the wooden table so that when it was my turn to fit the doors, I nearly wrenched my arm off trying to take my tool box from the table. Another trick was a so called friend of mine, which seemed to be struggling with a door to fit, would ask me to hit the stop button which would stop the whole production line! Like a naïve fool I hit the stop button, he said to me, "What did you do that for??" I said "Because you told me to!!" He just laughed at me as the Supervisor raced down the line and gave me a bollocking!!! I loved working there but at the time the unions had too much of a firm grip and the production line was really overmanned. It was time for change and I realised that it was time to change my vocation in life to another more reliable company as I had a mortgage and children. However, a happy time for me fitting those doors! as a footnote, I also later owned a Princess which I really loved driving. But now I drive a Mercedes.............my poor dad would turn in his grave!!!!

[@nevrobinson8530]

And I used to cut them in half ,then extend them into a limousine…

[@Jamal_Tyrone]

@@nevrobinson8530 the princess'?

[@googleuser2571]

My dad worked at Cowley in the 70s. He told me that six of them would each take it in turns to do all 6 jobs for 10 minutes at a time, meaning that each of them had 50 minutes of every hour to sleep, or use company tools, time and materials to further the various cottage industries they had going. He reckoned the supervisor turned a blind eye to pretty much anything as long as the line kept going..

[@xSUBIACOx]

You fucked your post up with your anti-union pitch, which is what this is.

[@briancarton1804]

So you are still driving rubbish then.

[@MartinKillips]

I'm one of your Aussie viewers! I moved Down Under thirty years ago for the sunshine. I remember I had a boss in England who had a Princess company car. I always thought it looked ugly, so it is with great surprise that I watched this offering and thought the old Princess looked charming. I must be getting old. Keep up the good work - very interesting and entertaining.

[@peterward3965]

Very interesting, thank you. As a postman way back circa 1975 / 76 . I remember turning a corner and before me was a BL Princess sitting on a driveway, and sitting on the neighbours driveway sat a Rover SD1. They both looked so futuristic and looked like two alien crafts sitting there daft I know. But only four years before the A60 Cambridge / Oxford range was discontinued so in comparison you can see how futuristic the Princess and SD1 looked, at that time.

[@GrandThriftAuto]

So true.

[@derekheeps8012]

At the same time , you could have been looking at an Audi 100 or Mercedes W123 ; both cars light years ahead of the BL offerings and on a completely different level regarding quality , reliability and comfort .

[@MrAdopado]

@@derekheeps8012 To be fair those models were in a different price category ... apples and pears

[@martinhibbert1428]

Hopefully there will be some more Elite content coming soon. I find myself really wanting one.

[@GrandThriftAuto]

I’m planning a video on the Elite’s development story and its place in Lotus history - would that be interesting?

[@martinhibbert1428]

@@GrandThriftAuto Yes definitely, sounds good 👍👍

[@willwelch5700]

Another amazing video 👍🏻 It's actually quite refreshing to watch a video that's not ripping in the BL or shaming the princess. For its time, these cars were so technically advanced and ahead of their time that with everything else going on it largely got overlooked. Shame, really 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@keplermission4947]

No ... they were not at all ... 'technically advanced' but resembled the Morris Marina in being made of spares held by BMC's liquidation buyers. BL cars became very similar indeed to East European FIAT designed Soviet cars and were built by similarly low skilled and outdated labor factories. For instance chrome in the Maxi was replaced by Flat Black or as we might say in the United Kingdom, Matt black because it killed the workers but was reintroduced more recently by robot assembly plants. Fake chrome was seen for many years and nobody wanted to replace the Maxi with the Princess, although it had been designed to replace the Maxi, the East European standards of quality in the Princess made the old Maxi, you know built of 1960s spare parts, very attractive to many. The Maxi and 'the Land Crab' were very nice British Empire quality cars but the Princess, was just like a Soviet FIAT. The styling was from the British Empire 'old skool' think tank, but that's all it was. BL became a rival only to Lada and similar, Polski Fiat typed vehicles. Even the Land Rover Freelander 1 was compared with the Soviet Lada Niva - great as they both are, they're not G-wagens or Toyota Landcruisers.

[@T16MGJ]

@@keplermission4947 Clearly one who studied at the Clarkson Academy of automotive excellence brainwashing. Passing with first class degree. Decades ago, a G-Wagon tried to keep up and failed to do so with my BL-Mobile until dropping back and parking up with lots of steam emerging from around its front end. As my long time car enthusiast friend used to tell me... "You cannot beat German engineering and reliability " That was two decades ago. He NEVER does that now. For good reason. Actually thirteen thousand of them. That's what it cost his finances to repair his example of one of Stuttgart's finest. Brainwashing. My long term friend is still convinced the reason my MGs and Rovers are so reliable is because of their ... wait for it. Honda Engines! To be fair, one of my MGs does not have a British designed engine. It has a large chromium galloping equine on its throttle body though which reveals its true identity,

[@keplermission4947]

@@T16MGJ The Germans and French didn't have any war loans to repay and had attracted all of the British car industry's engineers because they could pay their employees and look after them. To be fair the British were great at bringing their soldiers to war and getting them killed by German machine guns. The tanks during WW2 had been dreadful and lethal to the crews. What were they playing at? The Spitfire had a lethal carburetor fault that was never sorted and of course the Bf 109 was better but had tiny fuel tanks. Clarkson you know was just a jerk from the British car industry mold and uh ... it was great to get rid of him and May and all the rest.

[@T16MGJ]

@@keplermission4947 Forty years ago I corresponded with a Japanese pen-friend with which we shared a very keen common interest. He was multi-lingual and had excellent English. He actually broadcast for the Japanese equivalent of the BBC's World Service back then. He came to the UK one summer back in the 1980s. He was built like a SUMO wrestler and when I picked him up at the railway station, the hydraulic suspension on my MG maxed out on the passenger side. A very interesting chance to exchange views on many subject of common interests. Including motoring. He lived in Tokyo and I was surprised when he told me the car he drove was a Ford. Another revelation was when he visited the Honda car and Motor Cycle factories in his homeland, some of the heavy engineering and tool making equipment he saw there were manufactured in UK's "Black Country" where much of the Industrial Revolution really got started. My love of Rovers, MGs and other British cars has brought me into contact with many folks worldwide. I sometimes help them locate parts for their British cars near impossible to find in their own countries. They send images of their cars. I have many saved. Almost without exception, those British Car owners in so many far away places hold their cars in higher esteem and value than many here in the UK ever did. More evidence of this Nation excelling at being wrong and ongoing. Previously a lifelong supporter, I shall never again vote for the UK Political Party who turned their backs on the many thousands dependant on Longbridge in their time of real need back in April 2005.

[@keplermission4947]

@@T16MGJ Japan had a lot of these ... 'pen pal spies' and after they'd had their free visit you know, it was over, there was no time for any reciprocal visit so I wouldn't believe everything you heard if I were you, as I didn't think Ford were even still exported to Japan but checking on the internet Ford did briefly export since 1974 although there was badge engineered Ford, actually made by Mazda there and uh ... as for tooling in Japan you know, sourced in the Black Country, well ... take it with a pinch of salt. Maybe it came in a load of scrap with your old battleships? Most important is to learn that Britain lost WW2, it was won by the USA and your nation was crushed in the mid-1950s and you had to pay back war loans that France didn't and that's why they still have a car industry. But Britain was a jerk and the closure of Rover in 2005 should show you that there's influences there that favor the rich, against the poor. It's a pity but you know, but Britain was a nasty, class snobbish political system and Labour are no better. Gordon Brown boasted about visiting the Queen every week but had no time for his voters like Gillian Duffy, he was an upstart of the first water. Don't be loyal unless they're loyal to you first. Britain didn't help its war wounded and you know, few faltered when it bit the dust. Remember Nathan Hale.

[@TheSeafordian]

I bought two. Loved them.

[@antonystapleton]

Great review! My Father had the very first (or so he was told), Wolseley to leave the production line. He'd gone to Mann Egerton in Finchley to buy two Marinas for reps cars and saw a pre production Wolseley in the showroom, and ordered one there and then to replace his uber reliable Triumph 2000. JLF 377N was pretty bling with all the extras including Dunlop 'Denovo' runflat tyres........as another commentator stated, the car created a LOT of attention. Not long after its arrival we travelled to Northern Spain whère crowds of people would surround the car wherever we went. The car was deemed fantastic, my dad loved it.........for the first three months!!!! After that everything went wrong, suspension, power steering, electrical faults, sadly it was a BL stereotype. The car was rarely with us and my father sold it off cheaply after 18 months and never bought a BL car again!!! (bear in mind we had only ever had BL cars up to that point........ Morris Oxford, Austin Cambridge, Morris 1800, Triumph 2000 etc,etc). To how many people did this happen to hasten the demise of BL as a manufacturer of note, what a terrible shame! He moved onto five Citroen CX's after that! Thanks for the interesting tale!

[@brianheard4565]

Aussie here. I owned one of those Tasmans you spoke of, and then one of those Kimberlys. You see, a masochist. They were more akin to the 1800 of course, but as you said shared the engine with the Princess. Nothing wrong with that engine - it cruised easily and economically at 70mph. The car has hydrolastic suspension which meant it was way more comfortable than anything else on the road! Don't think I ever saw a Princess, so nice to read your report. Cheers.

[@BillyBoy1235]

Hi there one of your Australian viewers here. Too many years ago now I had an Austin Kimberly. Can’t remember how many Kms i put on it but it was a lot. Must say Iremember it being one of the nicest cars I have owned. ( I am 72 so I have had a few). Great engine, loverly interior trim, if you like red, great suspension. People still sometimes ask what happened to it. There are a couple of KZbin vids on this car.

[@mebymyself2816]

My folks had the 2.2lt model which they took to a firm that offered a hatch back conversion which after a few teething trouble was a total godsend for lifting and shifting heavy sail boat equipment and touring in France. They had it painted a awful yellow, which had every thrip for miles head straight for this giant sunflower.

[@GrandThriftAuto]

Sounds fantastic!

[@geoffreypiltz271]

First one of your videos I've watched. I like your style of presenting and objective assessments. Good stuff.

[@send2mc]

Just discovered your channel. You've got a new subscriber in Australia. 😊

[@GrandThriftAuto]

Hello and welcome! Thanks 😊

[@GentilsGarage]

Strangely, I never heard about the 18/22 series Princess until I came to this country as they were never sold in Portugal. I like these very much and the six has a very nice sound. Another great video, thank you!

[@bigjd2k]

Mum had the Vanden Plas version when I was a kid. It was lovely, like riding in a Rolls Royce! Or riding inside a radiogram with all that polished wood 😀

[@oranda15]

My dad was in the motor trade and had a Princess with a Crayford conversion as a demo car. We holidayed in the Lakes with it and I was fortunate to drive it a lot. It was a lovely car, very plush, comfortable and with decent performance. The hatchback was a wonderful bonus for us as a family of four.

[@GrandThriftAuto]

The hatchback conversions are rare beasts!

[@credibility63]

I had one of these when i was in my early twenties. It was so comfortable, great ride, hanled nicely. The engine blew and I upgraded to an ambassador, more up to date (at the time) but equally nice drive.

[@BaseDeltaZero1972]

As a child of the 70s, all these old cars evoque a real sense of nostalgia in me - Obviously never drove them, but they were part of the scenery along with Vauxhall Viva's, Ford Capri's and the like when I was growing up. I love seeing people keeping them alive and on the road. The reviews and opinions are just a bonus!

[@emmabird9745]

Hi, what a nice video. I've owned 5 wolsey princess and ambasadors between 1982 and 1990. They were lovely. That hydrogas suspension gave them a jaguar ride at a regular car price. One really nice thing about them at the time was that you could rely on them being where you parked them, so effective was the ignorant anti BL press. One serious problem they had was the mechanics, and i mean the main dealers when I say that. There is a procedure for setting the ride height which involved rolling the car backward and forward between readings so that the tyre grip did not interfere. the said main dealer mechanics didn't seem to know (or was it care). As a consequence loads of these cars could be seen running around as though on tiptoe. If you have one make sure you get a propper manual to get the right methods.

[@benpatsy2076]

1:12 I had one just like that in 1983. Absolutely loved driving it about.

[@MrCheesywaffles]

Really cool cars, reminds me of a cross between a contemporary Lotus and Lambourgini. Not shocked the stylist ran a GS, those are very chic motors, with typical Citroën bonkers style.

[@MarthaMansbridge]

I was a kid in the 70's - I always loved the look of these cars, we had a few in the wider family and even as a small kid I could tell these cars rode wonderfully - Maxi's were very similar - as a child before the seatbelt law came in, I spent many a weekend on the back-bench being driven all over the place and I always enjoyed trips in the Princess (and Maxi) much more than anything else. As someone who grew to be obsessed by cars and keen to learn about them, and own them I can also accept there were quite a few shortcomings in the final implementation of the design, the build and general quality/reliability. As you said in the clip, those cars that have survived nearly 50 years should be viewed quite differently - since they will have none of those 'in the moment' issues. This is also a sad reminder of the 'what might've been' that seemed to afflict BMC/BL/ARG/ROVER etc. a car that could and should have been a leader ended up maligned and made fun of?? It should have had a hatchback and should've been better built, a slightly more polished interior and refined engine arrangement would have made this a very serious contender for top of the segment - a cutting edge styling, industry leading suspension and ride were absolutely squandered. I don't know any other company that managed to screw up so many opportunities which, I suppose, also makes it one of the most interesting from a historical perspective in the world of motoring. Thanks for this video!

[@laurieharper1526]

I had an orange Princess 1700HL and then a blue Ambassador 1700. Both very good cars. Extremely comfortable, reliable and an enormous amount of space in them. The hatchback on the Ambassador was even better in that it allowed easy loading of large items. Also had a Maxi, a Marina and an Ital estate previously. All easy and cheap to work on/maintain and all bought used for bargain prices. I was very partial to BL cars of that era.

[@neilbarnett3046]

Dead right. I was given a 1700 Ambassador as a company car for about a year and there was nothing wrong with it as a car. Not fast, but always felt solid, even when driving through slush on the motorway. Fitted 4 adults and me on a trip to and around the West Country with no awkwardness and plenty of room in the boot for the luggage. Wouldn't mind one now, though it would probably lose when compared with my Lexus.

[@grahamchandler9951]

graham chandler

[@grahamchandler9951]

one of the best cars i have owned, certainly the most comfortable, wish i still had it,yes the ambassador was the most roomy.

[@davefb]

My dad had an Ambassador ( after an Imp and an Ital !). Used to drive it a bit. There was a lot to like about it. not nesc the feature level though ( we always had the cheap ones ;) ). But yeah, certainly found the ride fantastic.

[@agenturawubekistanie]

It was nice to hear from you. Nice dog. I gotta try that heel and toe thing in my Alfa diesel.

[@mickwilson127]

My brother had two of these for his taxi business, it shows you how much he hated me - he gave the white one to me, it was a complete pile of 💩 It drank oil and petrol in equal measure, and ate fan belts at a similar rate. I was lucky enough to get a company car very soon after so the Princess moved to the western isles of Scotland with my wife’s uncle. It died there some years later, after proving to be a surprisingly reliable runabout for amateur mechanics. You are correct about it being a looker tho 👍

[@martycrush6412]

Thanks for your time. My dads last car was a princess. RMR777S 2.2 HL in green. He died at the heartbreaking age of 36 in 1985. I’ll always hold these cars in my heart🥺

[@simonhodgetts6530]

I can attest to that magic carpet ride, the fabulous interior space, and the vast boot - I learned to drive in my dads Ambassador, which wasn’t as handsome or forward looking, but which carried over much of what made the Princess what it was. I think that the Princess is one of the most maligned of BL’s 70s cars - they were really cleverly designed, and looked marvellous. Talking of which, fantastic too that you got to meet Harris Mann - one of my car design heroes!! Great video - have a lovely Xmas, and I look forward to seeing more interesting car videos on 2023!

[@GrandThriftAuto]

Thanks Simon! Totally agree. Have a great Christmas too, and thanks again for all your support ❤️

[@keplermission4947]

Problem with the facelift of the Princess, another wonderful styling job by Harris Mann in the Ambassador, was very cheaply engineered components. These two awesome looking cars were intended as globetrotters that would have beaten Germany, the US and Japan but you know, were largely undermined by industrial action, coal mining strikes that to be fair, were about being poorly paid as workers as had been strikes in the car industry, and Britain's attempt to meet coal demand using its own native resources under the National Coal Board that had failed, since before WW2 most steam coal was exported from India (then part of the British Empire) and that loss was never made up. That's why steam locomotives were scrapped and after the coal miners and steel industrial action wrecked the country, Mrs Thatcher had taken revenge by just bulldozing these industries and quite rightly, in my view, developing import markets in the place of the former British export industries. But rest assured that the Princess and Ambassador were superbly styled but just something like the east European FIAT designed imported Soviet cars and their customers were aware that British industry was inferior to imports, especially from France, Germany, the USA and far east.

[@gerardclarke8096]

What utter nonsense, Mr Kepler. You appear to know nothing of BL or of UK history.

[@roadworkuk9791]

What a fabulous video. Envious of your audience with the great Mann himself, too. I wonder whether there was any rivalry between him and Mr Axe. Some lovely turns of phrase in there, too. I'll be stealing them all, natch.

[@Grumpy-sy7wr]

Hello from Australia. Thanks for giving us a mention. I was about to mention the 2.6 Marina, but you had that covered. The lack of a 5 speed is surprising, as we had that under our 1500 E series down here, so it shouldn't have taken much to put it under the 2200.

[@GrandThriftAuto]

Hello back! That’s interesting about the Australian 5-speed gearbox - and makes it all the more strange it wasn’t available in Europe.

[@grahamariss2111]

@@GrandThriftAuto Hi it was the 4 cylinder E Series had a 5 speed, the 6 cylinder used the gearbox from the B Series. It is the bulkier box that means you cannot stroke the engine to 2.7 litre as the 1500 Maxi was to 1750.

[@GrandThriftAuto]

@@grahamariss2111 That makes sense, thanks.

[@doctormengele961]

@@grahamariss2111 spot on

[@oogoldyooimvu2548]

I ran an 1800 'Austin' Princess back in the day for a while and it was a great machine, until my Father decided he wanted to use it again and I was back in my old Cortina.🙂 Enjoyed the chance to revive an old memory, thanks.

[@steveralls8512]

Great car ! I had a 1976 Austin 2200 HLS straight after I passed my test. I paid £175 for it and about £25 for a new clutch plate which was so easy to change. It was written off when someone drove into me so I got a second one, a Leyland badged 1979 model but it wasn't as good as the Austin version. A big weakness was the front axle nuts kept shearing the split pin and coming undone. It seems later versions had smaller splines on the axle / hub and they couldn't cope.

[@gerardclarke8096]

The Princess was never sold or badged as an Austin in the UK. It was in Aus and/or NZ.

[@hulahoopone]

I'm one of your Australian viewers, coming over here in 2008. My first car was a 1982 Austin Ambassador which did have the hatchback, but unfortunately also had the reliability that the Leyland reputation earned. What can I remember went wrong: Massive oil leaks, suspension failure, cracked cylinder head were the main ones that I recall. Much as I love my first car I do not miss it at all. It had all the appearance of a Friday afternoon special out of the Leyland factory Eventually it just died and I had to work hard to get a scrap yard to take it off my hands!

[@davesclassicgaragetours]

Another brilliantly informative video. I really do feel sorry for Mr Mann for all the vitriol sent his way for things that were largely out of his control. As per usal, the money got in the way of the outstanding design he put forward in many cases. I myself would have wet my pants meeting Mr Mann. I'd have been chewing his ear off telling him about the 1978 school holidays I spent up a tree at the end of our street willing a TR7 to go by.

[@GrandThriftAuto]

Absolutely - some of his designs just became ‘uncool’ for no good reason (or at least not design reasons), but it’s great that he’s seeing them more appreciated now. I was excited about TR7s too! I’ll do a video on them at some point.

[@Matityahu755]

My grandad had the Maxi for as long as I can remember as a kid, then briefly in the late 70's the ford escort, which was then chopped in for the Princess. Us grandkids would mither him to take us for a drive, and we'd feel like the royals. A car, well ahead of it's time with that iconic wedge. Plus, we all piled in the back seat all four of us (no seat belts then) and would cruise the streets of town giving the royal wave. Epic car, fantastic childhood memories. Thank you for bringing those memories back.

[@leighgamby2393]

I had a 78 1800 Princess in NZ. Not the fastest or most powerful in it's class, but the most comfortable, and a pleasure to drive. On NZ roads it was as quick or quicker on a long journey due to the brilliant handling and great cornering. A car to love or hate, no in betweens! Leigh

[@Yorkist]

I drove a friends on one occasion as he had his foot in plaster. We went on a fishing trip to a stretch of river I had only visited one before and a few years earlier. Rounding a curve I suddenly remembered about the hump back bridge. My last visit was in a Moggie 1000 estate. It resulted in fishing tackle and bait spread over the nack of my car. On this occasion, nothing untoward happened, we just went over the bridge. That suspension was amazing. I didn't want to give the car back at the end of the day. What a beautiful car to drive.

[@bunning63]

Owned Princess 2 for about fourteen years. Overall it was pretty reliable same colour as the first one but full black roof. Exhaust valves could burn and the gearbox was somewhat unrefined if tough. Eventually the plague of locating replacement suspension units here in New Zealand, like the green NZ registered car you showed, became to much trouble. Have to say, replacing the front displacers was a dead easy job though, if only you could get decent ones... BL could have achieved alot more from the car with just a bit more development.

[@paul.c.gregory]

Thanks for this, brought back wonderful memories of my first car, inherited from my father when I passed my test. Loved it.

[@DannyTheGFP]

Always thought of these as cars my grandad would own. Sadly now im 52 and some of my friends are grandparents i should get rid of the merc convertible & vw sharan and go beige or brown. enjoyed that, cheers

[@GrandThriftAuto]

Yes, I did wonder if I'd have liked it as much 15 years ago (I'm about the same age as you). CAR Magazine in 1978 said 'Fine for your father'...

[@iancross4631]

I have owned a wedge of some description since I was 14! So not a grandad car, it is a brilliant car!

[@GrandThriftAuto]

@@iancross4631 Top man! Are you the Ian who owns the lovely black one with the Triumph Stag (?) alloys?

[@MEDIAMIX67]

Me and my dad had 4 versions of the Princess --my dad went from the Wolseley six to the Princess 2200HLS in the above gold color in 1976 and then onto the Rover 3500 V8s in 1980 --my 1st car was the 1700l in jade green in 1979 followed by the 2200 special six in black and finally the 2000HLS ---this video brought back memories thank you.

[@GrandThriftAuto]

Mmmm, Jade Green... and the Special Six is a lovely thing too. Isn't that the only one that came in black, apart from a handful of government cars? I may be misremembering.

[@MEDIAMIX67]

@@GrandThriftAuto Yes it was a bit like a John Player Special look --wish I had kept it it was in mint condition and I got it from an old couple --I think there is only one left in the World now

[@rogersmith8339]

This body shape really stood out in its day and was rather "marmite". I rather liked them for some reason although they were way beyond my price bracket. It is very interesting to hear that the designer has a thing for Citroens (I have owned them for over 30 years! )

[@chrisstuart1227]

Referred to as the Flying Wedge.

[@48billy0]

I had the 2.2 Princess. We drove to the South of France and back once, and the Princess never missed a beat. My youngest son spent a lot of the journey asleep on the rear parcel shelf. I know, health and safety wasn't such an issue then. We also went to Guernsey in it, along with my in-laws, six of us in relative comfort. The only problem I ever had was a leaking fuel line, which I fixed myself in ten minutes. Wouldn't dream of attempting that in my current car. Wouldn't even know where to start.

[@patrickl2195]

As one of three rather fractious kids, I can understand my parents choosing first an Austin 1800 landcrab, then an 1800 Princess, then a 1700 Ambassador. The space helped keep us apart a bit, and the three of us some distance from my long suffering parents! If I remember correctly, though the Ambassador did have a hatchback, the Princess was the pick of the three. The most reliable, and the 1800 was quite a bit easier an engine the use than the 1700 that came later.

[@GrandThriftAuto]

Excellent! It’s a lusty old donkey that B-Series 1800, and fairly indestructible too.

[@eggy1962]

A fan of the B series here

[@shaunigothictv1003]

@@GrandThriftAuto Are you speaking with a cockney accent? You are clearly faking a cockney accent when you speak in your videos? Whereabouts in the U.K are you from?

[@Love500]

My first car was a maroon 1800 HL in 1982 which my uncle had since new. Loved it.

[@OrnumCR]

I had two Austin Kimberley cars with that smooth OHC six. At the time of their release in 1972, they were the only east-west inline 6 cylinder OHC car in the world. As you mention, those engines were 2.6 litre units in the later Australian P76 models. Apparently that was simply arrived at via a different crankshaft altering the stroke. Another unique Australian engine from BL Australia was the famous all-alloy 4.4 litre Leyland V8 engine. This engine differed in quite a few details from the Buick/Rover 3500 unit. Interesting car that Princess. A friend of mine years ago privately imported one into Australia as they were not marketed here.

[@justmadeit2]

I think the Austin Kimberley was called the Austin Tasmin in New Zealand

[@soulboy0506]

@GrandThriftAuto I drive another Harris Mann creation a series 1 Allegro Estate, the hydragas suspension is so simple to maintain and repair. You can get the solid pipework from B&Q and the displacers can be regassed by a few people in the UK. I have done all of mine. Great review and nice to see someone who didn't just take the mick out of BL.

[@patrickhostler5939]

I actually always thought of the Princess as a bit of a guilty pleasure (without actually ever having had the pleasure, guilty or otherwise of driving one)

[@teaman7v]

What a stroke of luck bumping into Harris Mann like that. Great review as always, Martin.

[@grayfool]

As with all seventies/eighties BL cars, it isn't really the fault of the cars but the company that built them that causes the bad reputation. Some of the designs are excellent but were, of course hamstrung by lack of funding and the notorious management/worker relationship of the time. Only now do a lot of the models get the respect they deserve. Very well presented video. Thanks.

[@medler2110]

The story of management rejecting the hatchback seems indicative of BL in the 70's and 80's. I remember a car show where they had the original design for the Allegro, it was a far neater design that what appeared, apparently company politics meant it didn't get the engine it was designed for, but an old taller engine which to make fit they had to ruin the initial design. I think a similar thing happened to the Triumph Stag, although they kept the design, they fitted a less reliable engine than it was supposed to have. The lack of funding and needing to get a new model to market meant lack of R&D, this meant problems weren't ironed out before they went to market, the car then gets a reputation for lack of reliability and sales suffer, even if those problems are subsequently fixed.

[@redboyjan]

So many good designs, then corners cut and crap parts fitted to them that ruined. Them. See many desirable 70s and 80s old cars being taken apart and the issues removed entirely, to great effect. Plus some electronics too of course!

[@briancarton1804]

@@medler2110 The Triumph Stag got the engine that it was designed for. The Triumph V8 was specifically made for the Stag. It was basically 2 Triumph 1500 4 cylinder engines stuck together to make a V8. It was a disaster. Triumph could have had the Rover V8 but due to management infighting and jealousy between the different brands the Triumph management insisted that the Rover engine would not fit. Triumph made its own V8 which was shit and ruined Triumphs reputation in the USA. I memory serves me correctly it was withdrawn from the US market after 2 years. A lot of Stags were later fitted with the Rover V8 by owners putting an end to the lie that it would not fit. Neither of these V8s generated big horsepower by any means (about 140 bhp) and the strange thing is Triumph made a straight 6 three litre that generated 150 bhp that was in the TR6. I don't know why they didn't use this unit inthe Stag , it could have gone a long way to help save Triumph if that engine was fitted in the early model and perhaps fit a V8 later. It's a shame as it was a beautiful looking car.

[@medler2110]

@@briancarton1804 Although I'd never profess to be an expert in such things, My understanding was basically the same as you, except I thought the Groups senior management had said the Stag was to have the Rover V8, obviously it would save development costs. But as you said the rivalry between the 2 companies meant that Triumph were never going to accept a Rover engine. It just seems to be another bad decision and lost opportunity that dogged the British car industry. Maybe they thought a V8 would go down better in the US.

[@briancarton1804]

@@medler2110 Yes the tragedy thar was British Leyland. The problem was senior management was not managing nor was the lower echelons management doing its job. The top management were being hampered by government interference who did not want job loses for political reasons. This made the top management weak. If the board and senior management are weak it takes a miracle to bring success. By the time Michael Edwards became the boss the damage was almost fatal. British cars had gained a dreadful reputation and sales were falling. Its much easier to keep a customer than to gain one and BL were losing customers at pace. Things were on the up with the Honda partnership unfortunately British aerospace stabed Honda in the back by selling their shares to BMW . There was a showdown between Honda and BMW where Honda insisted either BMW buy out their share or sell their share to Honda. BMW were the buyers and they were not suited to Rover. The whole story is a absolute shame. It could have been so different.

[@ChristianACW]

Great video about a car that simply doesn't exist (anymore) here in Austria! Although I remember, that there were some around when I was a kid. I would love to see a video about the Triumph TR7 drophead, since my father had one of those back in the early 80ies in some kind of bronze metallic - you would have liked it! 😉very rare beast here in Austria! I came across your video about your beautiful XJS one year ago , but for whatever reason I didn’t watch any of your other videos - maybe because I was interested in Jaguar exclusively by the time. Just days ago the algorithm proposed the XJS-video again - I watched it a second time realising how much I like your sense of humour and your style of presentation (and of course the content!). So I will spend a lot of time during the next days watching all of your videos and I‘m really looking forward to doing so 🙂 Best regards from Vienna and have a wonderful Christmas!

[@vernonmatthews181]

The Nomad & O Series 2200 Princess was also exported to New Zealand in RHD along with the English CKD units 1800 & 2000 along also with the Kimberly & Tasman. BTW - Greetings from New Zealand 🇳🇿 😀 ❤ PS - The Australian 2600 6 cylinder Marina never made landfall to NZ.

[@jamescagney2713]

Marina 6 cylinder? Not sure why anyone would consider it ever. A little like killing a frog and then running volts through it to see if it performed better after death.

[@vernonmatthews181]

@@jamescagney2713 too many issues here, death (1), why a six cylinder engine (2), which country are you from James, did you lose your job with British Leyland in the UK 🇬🇧 🤔 I just don't follow ! I do know a little about why countries like Australia 🇦🇺 and Canada 🇨🇦 repower their British imported cars 🚗 I some how feel this is cold comfort, to you, how ever let me know in due course.💚👍 Due to the wide open spaces & interstate freeways and the like. Larger engines have allways proven more realiable, whether 6 cylinder, V6 or V8, this all being before electric cars being given a green light and clean car rebates. I have been involved in a number of forums where the british cars have been marketed abroad where to enable sales cars have adapted to the climate they were exported to. Feel free to enlighten us other mortals your point of view😄🤭👌🍺🍻🌎👍💚

[@andrewroberts4736]

My dad had one of these. As a passenger it was so comfortable and had tons of room. He loved it and if I could get one in good nick, I would!!!

[@davefrench3608]

No 5th? That was one of the best bits, amongst many, of the Maxi. And with an E Series too Yes I’ve had a collapsed hydrogas Maxi, not a ridiculous job to do, if you get a displacer. Nice review of a very nice example.

[@eggy1962]

Back then getting it pumped back up was more difficult not everyone had the pump and those that did certainly made you pay for the pleasure.

[@davefrench3608]

@@eggy1962 I was lucky in having a garage with a pump round the corner. Not too far to drive on the bump stops.

[@jonblackburn7634]

That was genuinely interesting. Thanks

[@berwhaletheavenger]

The wood dash/trim was a made by a company called Rokee who made wood trim kits for all kinds of cars starting with the Mini. We had a 1979 T plate Princess 1700L company car from new. It did 100,000 hard miles in four years and needed a clutch, battery, radiator and.......nothing else. Not bad for an 'unreliable' car. It was a bit sluggish (it needed the 2000 really), a bit understeery on tight corners plus you had the drop gear whine and power steering hisssssss when parking. But it was fabulously comfortable, pleasant to drive, roomy and a good motorway car where it would sit at 80/85 arrow straight.

[@keithjohnson49]

Still have a part of my Rokee.. modified to accommodate a tacho, oil pressure & temp

[@TheSgtbk]

Nice to see you are aware of the BMC Australia products. Back when these were new I was working for a BMC distributor her in New Zealand. We were agents for the full range of BMC products except for Austin and that was sold by another distributer nearby. The models we could sell was not only all the BMC UK range but the BMC Australia range as well. You could say we had the best of both worlds. One memory I have is comparing the rear seat leg room on a new 1800 with a Chrysler Valiant we had just traded in and was amazed at how little there was in the Valiant compared to the 1800.

[@originalkk882]

My first job after university was with BL Cars at Longbridge in the late 70s, so I got to drive many of the then current, and previous models. The Princess did have a comfy (if floaty) ride with hydra-gas, with a fair bit of roll (cars with hydra-lastic seemed to corner much flatter), but the shape was awkward for driving in tight spaces, the gear change wasn't great, and the interior was bland and out of date. The Maxi was much better as a total family package, but my favourite was the Dolly Sprint.

[@mikeraphone6745]

Yes the Sprint was a beautiful car to drive . The rear wheel drive handling was top notch .

[@keithjohnson49]

@@mikeraphone6745 Loved my Dad's Sprint, but its rival, the RS2000, was a far far better machine.

[@Rjhs001]

Just stumbled across your channel and have immediately subscribed. Love the good, plain information leavened with a sprinkling of humour. Cheers.

[@GrandThriftAuto]

Welcome aboard! 😊

[@h0meatlast]

I would echo the praise for this review. My Dad had three of them from new, an 1800HL, a 2000HL and a late model 2.0HLS. I was a bit underwhelmed at the time because they were deeply unfashionable after the first flurry of press praise, but I also learned to drive in the 1800HL and I would say that the Princess 2 in 2 litre form was adequately fast, and by then they were well made and reliable. The less said about the 1800HL on that front, the better! They were very very comfortable and roomy, they were great A road fast cruisers, and they were good for an 85mph cruise on the motorway. At the time, the lack of a hatch did not bother us, though the absence of a fifth gear was a little annoying. There were always comparisons with Cortinas whereby the performance compared very unfavourably, but they were designed as a D segment large family car and lower executive car, and they competed very well in that market. I look back on them with a great deal of fondness and respect. Very very nearly a great car, but just missed the mark a little.

[@howdoyou1133]

My dad had a princess when I was a child. White with red leather seats. Seems to be the only car I mind as a child. Good video too.

[@benhooper1956]

It is interesting what you say about the 4-speed box, I had considered either a Princess or an Ambassador as my first car but the lack of a 5-speed (and rarity) put me off getting one. I must say, I do kind of prefer the Ambassador, in a twisted way...

[@simonhodgetts6530]

Me too - but that might have something to do with my Dad owning a couple when I was a teenager!

[@iancross4631]

My first wedge was an Ambassador. It was such a great car and I went camping in it with the seats folded down.

[@eggy1962]

Ambassador was more practical but for me the princess was a better looker

[@markcary8165]

Enjoyed that a lot. My Dad had an 1800 then a Princess 1800HL and later on a Montego. "Diablo" was my favourite :) Has anyone looked at a Hyundai Ioniq 5 from the rear quarter and been reeminded of the Princess? Once seen.....

[@simonhodgetts6530]

I see quite a lot of BL / Harris Mann influence in modern car designs - even those rising flanks from the TR7 have made it into some modern cars………

[@philjones6025]

while getting the facts out there. yes the Princess was a hatchback originally and remember seeing just two of them. in the R&D shop at BLMC i was working in, the challenge was the upper "C" post strength, (or lack of) and as the tailgate opened the roof buckled! As a new model was needed ASAP and no funds for engineering the tailgate had to wait for the Ambassador

[@GrandThriftAuto]

That’s very interesting, thanks!

[@richardthomas5588]

Worked for a one man band garage in the late 80s on the Isle of Wight and saw a blue hatchback Princess. The owner said he used to work for Leyland .

[@GrandThriftAuto]

@@richardthomas5588 There were a handful of Princesses converted to hatchbacks - I believe the Torcars version could be ordered through Leyland dealers. Crayford offered a conversion too.

[@Retro_andy_1977]

My dad had 5 princess cars and I loved everyone of them.comfortable,smooth and elegant

[@nlo114]

My workmate's dad had an Austin 'Ambassador', that was always breaking down. (It must have been an inter-strike Friday afternoon special) The family referred to it as the 'Embarrasser', due to the number of times it made them late.

[@eggy1962]

Mine was no issue, trick was to always carry a new set of points and condenser in the glovebox with screwdrivers, ten minute fix no roadside assistance required.

[@johnj3577]

The build quality of the Princess was way better than the Ambassador. An unloved after thought of a car that no-one liked or wanted just to bide time for a couple of years until the Montego came out.

[@eggy1962]

@@johnj3577 having owned both i agree

[@mandrillfoden]

Was it a Y reg?

[@Fifury161]

@@eggy1962 There was a factory recall on all Ambassadors - they had air intakes for the cabin contained in the "hatch". I believe it was a design choice to aid in the defogging of the rear window . They had a plastic flap to prevent air going out and allow "fresh" air to enter. The problem was the exhaust fumes could enter and explained why I always suffered from headaches when riding in the car. The solution was to tape shut the air vents!

[@edchadwick9796]

What a delightful video and a pleasure to watch. brings back so many fond memories. as young boy where my friends had the latest Ferrari or Lamborghini poster adorned on their bedroom walls, I was constantly mocked because my bedroom poster collection consisted The Princess and of course The Ambassador. All these years hence, I can now happily send them the link to this video. To prove, I knew real style! Great post. Instant follow.

[@howardkerr8174]

Excellent review, as an American who has only seen pictures of Princesses in classic car magazines or books, I really felt that you did a great job highlighting this car's strengths and weaknesses. The " input " from the car's designer was an added bonus. The owner who upgraded the interior of this particular car did a great job, too bad a tacho could not have been swapped for the clock. One final note: looking at the different front end treatments of the various models of this car I would have to say it just doesn't excite me the way concurrent Fords or Vauxhall cars do. Yet oddly, its looks seem to be bang up to date with today's cars except for the very slim pillars and the unavailable hatchback....though my current car (a 2013 Ford Fusion/Mondeo) has a similar small trunk/boot opening.

[@GrandThriftAuto]

That’s a really interesting perspective - yes, when the Princess came out in 1975 Ford, and Vauxhall were going for a very scaled-down American look (which I also like). The Princess is definitely more…what? European I suppose, but really it has a look all its own.

[@keplermission4947]

You know in 1975 'the scaled down American look' was history. Back in 1971 such a Datsun 220c was launched to compete with British (US General Motors owned Vauxhall) Cresta and Viscount models dropped in 1972 - after the energy crush, of Shiekh Yamani of Saudi Arabia, Britain itself sold to the country in 1977 and today owned by Qatar. '72 was the last year of the aggressive Mach One Mustang from Ford, even though the Lincoln Continental Mk.V soldiered on until Detroit went belly up. The front styling of the Princess dated back to 1969 and so before the energy crush. It had to be restyled after heavy chrome was outlawed with cancer deaths in its workers and joining Europe had rid the United Kingdom of its 'old skool' identity that styled the Princess and Allegro. The small boot on the Princess was to stiffen the body and a hatchback was disallowed because it would take sales from the Maxi and the Maxi was a better car on account of its British Empire designed components. The Princess would have been great but Britain wouldn't pay its workers at realistic rates, so Cambridge University cut their throats and joined 'the brain drain'. This industrial relations thing was a problem in Britain and you know they'd refused to increase output of Land Rover Series III vehicles, and so the market was changed after Toyota built a factory in Kenya. Britain was a real jerk at the time and you know, it was cut down to size. But there were great branches of British ability that were sadly lost.

[@nygelmiller5293]

To Howard Kerr don't agree with your opinion about the looks, actually. But you're DEFINATELY right, that something so original doesn't look out of date, witness the NSU RO80

[@philiphudgens4726]

Greatest YT channel name, hands down! 😁

[@dj_efk]

I’ve had two series 1 1800HL models in the early 00’s when they were still pretty undesirable- I bought the first one as a laugh but to be honest it won me over very quickly! Nonetheless I passed it on and then another one came up after the owner’s death, for sale by the garage that had maintained it for years. Performance was good enough for what they were although I did daydream of a fast road head, free-flowing (but still quiet) exhaust manifold+system and distributorless ignition! I always thought the gearing in 4th was pretty good for a 70s car, very happy on the motorway at 65-70mph with the engine turning at around 3900rpm. The boot lid was a stupidly small size though and it would definitely have greater appeal as a hatch. Overall, both the Princess and Allegro (of which I have also owned a series one example) were both clever, excellent cars by design for their time - I think they deserved much better sales success for that reason.

[@claudebylion9932]

I passed my driving test(first time) in an Allegro and found it perfectly easy to drive and looked nice.

[@clivesilk3501]

my dad had one in 85 i was about 7 then and i remember how comfortable the rear seats were !! they seemed massive to me ! lovely car

[@mattw8332]

I really like the Leyland Princess although I do have a thing for wedge shaped cars. Must have been pretty futuristic looking especially compared to the BMC 18-22 series Landcrab it replaced. Metallic copper (or reynard in this case) is my favourite car colour. Wish BLARG had kept it going for a few more years instead of replacing it with the dreary Ambassador. The latter also lacked a rev counter - even on the Vanden Plas models.

[@chrisstuart1227]

You would have like the NSU then?

[@mattw8332]

@@chrisstuart1227 Absolutely! One of my favourite German cars after the Porsche 928S.