The reality of the developer job market with ex-Googler YK Sugi [Podcast

[@CSDojo]

Thank you so much for having me here! If anyone here's interested in using AI in a professional software engineering environment, this other podcast interview I did recently is probably a good place to start: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWicopSigdJ_gdUsi=IU8-nRsaZL1Uxcs5

[@superbeef1337]

Yes, for an ex-google ex-microsoft dev the market is, in fact, not dead. Good for them I guess.

[@carlogustavovalenzuelazepe5774]

Im an ex CS student and a ex worked on another place not related to IT, and its hard

[@Matt-m3y-r4u]

Right lol. Most people don't have a CS degree from Berkeley or MIT, internships and experience from FAANG companies. The days of getting a job as a self-taught candidate with a cute portfolio to showcase are long gone! Even entry level IT (support) has become competitive!

[@Livingwithadog]

Programming is the same as any other tech job and it requires a lot more than just technical skills. These jobs are not going away it just a threshold for these jobs will become higher. I believe people should be more worried about outsourcing if your job is fully remote

[@Dawsatek22]

yeah that what sure about that

[@Matt-m3y-r4u]

They're not going away but you mention (rightfully so) outsourcing? Did I read that wrong? If jobs are outsourced, for cheap labor overseas, they are indeed going away - off the US market.

[@FreeThink1984]

It’s dead for most normal people

[@gabrielignat4371]

For fresh graduates/juniors it's really hard to get a job /intern now

[@FLOPTURNRIVER]

that's because you are not guaranteed a job just because you graduated from college - a major misconception that many people still believe is true

[@opposedhealer1826]

The market is crap because the work conditions are awful, the prospects are continually in the air, your coworkers are generally not great, and the goal posts are always changing. You have to have passion AND masochism/desire to step on others to succeed. It’s just a bad environment right now, OR alternatively be established within the industry. It’s not appealing.

[@Nero-xv]

what are you yappin about

[@KingKikikoi]

Agreed it’s absolutely horrid, it’s like I am working 24/7 at this point. We preach a lot about work life balance but literally everyone is pushing tickets after midnight everyday 😂

[@utubes720]

And “agile” which I call the “never-ending death march”. Plus all the ridiculous performative mandatory “agile meetings”. Back in the day, you finished your work and handed it off to QA and had some down time to catch your breath while BA’s and Architects hammered out some details for the upcoming work. And the scope for next 2-3 months was very well defined so managers could actually bake in a decent workload.

[@TheIVNRB]

Dead? No, almost dead...

[@CSDojo]

I see a bunch of comments about the software engineering market being tough. It IS tough as I mentioned it multiple times in this video. There are ways to make it slightly easier for yourself, though. I cover them in this other podcast interview I did in May: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnSteqSlr8uKZrMsi=B4d1y7nb6Y2jPoth

[@jibrilrichter2852]

Thank you for what you do!

[@mikahbee]

@freecodecamp please pin this

[@JesseMurphy-o9q]

YK also recommends that developers focus on continuous learning and maintain a work-life balance to avoid burnout

[@Aifilmsmaker]

10 million 🎉🎉 celebrate 😊

[@Sapienti-zr4el]

Waiting for 10m.

[@Black_Terror8910]

Amazing insights guys especially For me I'm from South Africa I dream of becoming a software developer droped out school grade 11 am 26 u you guys are my inspiration you touch case sensitive issues that are real time issues for a developer's .

[@mrswolls]

The market requires you being top talent at this point, imo. Otherwise, everyone wouldn't be complaining about not getting hired.

[@severedghost]

I've gotten in the last 3 days, 3 job offers. If you don't have experience, you're going to have to be good at more than just programming to get a job. Master your soft skills, and communication. That will give you a leg up on the competition.

[@ShoazizJabborov-y5e]

Very useful podcast

[@hypnaudiostream3574]

His opening statement was spot on. Literacy does not require you make it your profession

[@awwtergirl7040]

Coding is not literacy. Coding is coding. Learning programming is not some fundamental skill like writing, reading and math. Doing it for a hobby? Okay, sure. But I put in the same category as learning how to fly a plane, sail a boat or drive a big truck. The utility from learning it mostly in whether you can monetize it. Otherwise you just learned a hobby.

[@moarte6]

Why is there so much power in saying ex-google, ex-microsoft, ex-apple and so on

[@fuzzy0001]

@@moarte6 ex-girlfriend

[@utterdisregard8176]

Ask Tech Lead

[@SmeiskAudio]

I'm... new to this industry. Been an audio technician and sound designer for the entertainment industry for 10 years and was getting bored of it, went to school to grab a "cheap" Associates degree in Software Development from my community college. I'm glad i took those courses, i learned a ton, and really enjoyed the development projects i got to take on. I wish i knew what to do with all this to actually make it into something productive. I enjoy coding, but i have no idea what to do with these skills. And though I've applied to multiple jobs, if I'm lucky i might see one rejection letter a week. You really do have to make your own "fun" in this industry don't you. And maybe that fun can turn into some income in the end as well. I mean, aside from wanting something more interesting to do (there's only so many times that you can do sound checks with bands and performance troupes until you get bored with it...), i did want to maybe make more than $20k/yr and get out of the entertainment industry? America.... Nobody can really make it here, can they? (I might be slightly depressed 😔)

[@internallyinteral]

Idk the DOL shows the amount of SWE job declining over 3 years. I would not want to be someone pursuing a degree with hopes of getting a job right now. That could change but I have doubts.

[@fuzzy0001]

Now a days companies are focusing on automating the tasks which humans are doing and decreasing the number of employees, every year there are layoffs. I believe RPA has more share in layoffs than AI. Business owners are happy to purchase Rpa bot and paying yearly license because bot will not get ill, no annual leave. No benefits, no insurance required. Bot will work 24/7 without getting tired.

[@tonygao7868]

Programming is the same as any job, and it requires a lot more than just technical skills i.e., soft skills. These jobs are not going away it just a threshold for these jobs will become higher. I believe people shouldn't be more worried about outsourcing, immigration, AI and the like due to the fact that it's inevitable. Governments don't make jobs, because its not their role they play in society. While it's businesses (companies to freelancing) that create jobs.

[@BooksWeCanRead]

2 sentences Ad 2 sentences Ad 2 sentences Ad I can’t even follow with these interruptions like no I’m out

[@emmm_4465]

no ublock??

[@miroslavmajer5155]

install the add blocker to your browser, man

[@BooksWeCanRead]

You guys are watching this on your computers?

[@KingKikikoi]

Time to buy KZbin premium with your software engineer check 😂

[@BB-848-VAC]

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[@hawkingradiation3774]

summary for this video?

[@sockMonster241]

It's dead and they're out of touch because they made it before it was difficult.

[@fuzzy0001]

A software engineer can use AI to solve the problems and get the job done more effectively and in a short amount of time.

[@opposedhealer1826]

Only if they FIRST know what they’re doing and know that the AI can make mistakes that can compound. Putting rookie SEs in projects and throwing AI tools at them and expecting golden projects is a recipe for disaster.

[@danser_theplayer01]

Can use AI to *maybe possibly slightly help to* solve a problem. Damn AI can't even properly write a short timing test. You know like get time here, run this, and get time there and output the difference.

[@921Ether]

​@@opposedhealer1826a rookie dev + ai is still more productive than one without

[@Matt-m3y-r4u]

Not all software engineers are skilled with AI.

[@c0nsci0usness]

The problem is that being a "dev" got WAY too popular way too fast. You really need to carve yourself a niche to stand out in this job market, unless you're insanely proficient in a popular language.

[@awwtergirl7040]

It's dead for normies. Go learn how to put pipes together. Coding for most people is a useless skill and should NOT be compared to writing or math. Coding is NOT in the same league as those fundamentals as we are moving more and more to no-code or low-code world anyway.

[@jordanolson11]

bro of course an asian is saying this