The Really Limited Relic! [How far can it go? - EP35] | Tower Defense X

[@kurindor]

NOTE: AFTER THE BUFF (placement limit 2 > 4) RELIC CAN NOW MAKE IT TO WAVE 26, not enough of a change for me to make a new video on it though, sorry! please rework this thing pleaseee PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I really love spawners though, and this guy is awesome so yeah I can't hate it at all, it just REALLY sucks it's not unusable, but it's very outclassed to me by every other spawner tower; barracks early, armored mid game, zed late game

[@khalidadam9050]

I think John said somethin' about the relic receiving some new abilities and a new unit once every chapter is released, because there is one unit that isn't spawned from the relic which is the flying Valkyrie holding an axe.

[@kurindor]

@@khalidadam9050 yeah, they're planning a rework which will serve as a buff but I wanted to get a video out on it in its current state since I had heard people saying it was bad

[@yogitrapagainstthelgbt5391]

it will sorta also it well get the new valk unit in lvl 4 which means that might greatly enhance its performance in the mid game so yay i guess

[@yogitrapagainstthelgbt5391]

@@kurindor if they fix its mid game potential(which i hope it well be with the new valk unit) its gonna be op early-late game useable all rounder is so strong

[@kurindor]

@@yogitrapagainstthelgbt5391 yeah! i hope its late game does get buffed though, it doesn't feel THAT strong for what it is from the rounds I did with it I hate comparing it because I've kind of overdone it, but I just kinda prefer using Z.E.D. rn

[@Mac_nus]

finally got this tower during the 2x tokens (7 hours of tdx in one sitting i went insane help) and i can wholeheartedly say that this tower was not necessary needed in the game AT ALL I hope the rework will change this tower completely from what it currently is

[@randomdudenstuff]

This tower is such a missed potential.. operation: dementia (day 2) commander, one of our helicopters accidentally exploded and gave every tower temporary memory loss, this includes the timing of using abilities. the towers with no abilities are currently getting treated by the medics, so they wont be able to fight... only use towers with abilities, and spam the abilities all the time. even if its useless. good luck commander.

[@ArkinJamesAlvarez]

8:46 "Only Archers have sounds... Why? Only in TDX" -Kurindor

[@galaxy2zero557]

People who are telling that overseer is stronger than ZED havent spotted that bosses getting 2 times less ram damage, i spoted this when i got zed a couple of month ago, so if full overseer (100k hp) hits lets say erad mk1, overseer will deal only 50k damage and die right after, plus ZED has stunning dps and splash with rockets, so technicaly on some maps like singularity zed is cheaper, easier to use and stronger than relic

[@Huss_0]

it got fixed , i tried relic on calamity and he had 1.15m and he got down to 900k after 2 overseers rammed into him

[@MindiRamseyMarketing]

Relic and the zed are in different events so not everyone can get zed

[@ramyadalwasif2527]

​@@Huss_0zed is still better on maps with curves and i have seen way too many ppl underestimate zeds dps after relics came out

[@Huss_0]

@@ramyadalwasif2527 not really , what can zed do beside the 10k hp to a fast grumble ?

[@Huss_0]

@@ramyadalwasif2527 also void apex predator , it deals only 2.5k dps for 7 seconds and if u count as 6 zeds (185k overall) < 2 overseers (200k ram>

[@Tuxdeus]

This made me rethink on spending half my sanity to grind for this tower.

[@krip_gaying]

I dont like how most of bp skins are just band and on unused towers. The grind 💪

[@neelimavaishnavi6520]

I like the farm skin

[@carlzy6823]

This tower needs a rework asap

[@yogitrapagainstthelgbt5391]

lucky you they well fully rework it scrufus said in discord and i quote "To clarify relic will be fully reworked at a later date relatively soon though apologies for the sub-par state it's in right now"

[@august_gaming713]

nice. btw heres a new operation. operation: discontinued defender. alright soldiers. the advisor had supplies you with soldiers from another organization(tower galactica) and now you have to use it to fend off the zombies goodluck! choose between these 3 loadouts. Ilios loadout: laser gunner,slammer,bottom path grenaider,toxicnator,golden ranger,missile trooper,fire trooper select 1 tower to not use because this loadout have 7 towers! Nilean loadout : edj,john,commander,sniper,relic and finally cryo blaster! Ezaria loadout : patrol boat,slammer and warship. map : if you choose ilios loadout you will have to do singularity but if you choose nilean you will have to do research base and erazia you will have to do fort summit..... goodluck soldiers! gamemode : endless.... get as far as you can! and no powerups and rewinds allowed.

[@Conemn]

After the rework I think the tower is pretty good now, the price for level 5 is still a bit much in my opinion, maybe like 250k-ish instead, but it does 100k damage to bosses now so that’s good. I personally think it’s really good in endless, especially if at least one other person has it as well since the lowest the amounts you can place per person is 3 with the max in solo’s being 4. It can be really good if used with multiple people, just as long as it’s not a single person using it on like trios.

[@smugesque]

it only does 50k to bosses

[@mudkip2740]

What I dislike about this tower doesn't even have anything to do with the bottom of the barrel balancing, it's the quality... a bunch of guys going about, stabing and slicing with no sound and some of the most basic ass animations I've ever seen in a game of this scale. The units don't even do anything special, all of them do boring single target damge, and that's it, Also why is the "Overseer" just a guy that runs and has a lot of hp...

[@mudkip2740]

Honestly this tower is just a stat stick with cool models and doesn't add anything to the game

[@neelimavaishnavi6520]

I think it will get a rework

[@brendanliew9598]

When tds units are more alive than tdx

[@duckyduckington9736]

its getting reworked, it was heavily rushed. Remember they had one guy putting the code to run those things, so all of those are problems that the ONE CODER has to handle, they have all the sound effects and images, they just need time for the ONE CODER to be able to put it on everything and fix this.

[@yogitrapagainstthelgbt5391]

it well get the new valk unit in lvl 4 which means that might greatly enhance its performance in the mid game so yay i guess

[@Skylighter2106]

Relic might needed a rebalance since it only good on the max level because of it 100k Hp unit but the rest of the level are just very bad for late game, then of course it can be use as an early to mid defence

[@kurindor]

honestly, relics early game is better than its late game, the units do need to be buffed as you level it up, mid game is probably the worst

[@Skylighter2106]

@@kurindor true

[@tyrannomon267]

Archers are literally just level 4 scouts

[@duckyduckington9736]

@@tyrannomon267 better than them, they're cheaper to get and most importantly do the same damage output (well almost the same)

[@tyrannomon267]

@@duckyduckington9736 also they have double the health

[@ponguRBLX]

I feel like what makes early game units on it bad is that it’s melee, but not done correctly, melee would work if either they attack fast and deal medium damage, or they can have a small aoe that does high damage, melees should also have high health but for some reason the archers have like 200 health while spawning 2… but the bandits and zealots spawning all together don’t even amount to 1 archer’s hp…

[@ItzRamIII]

Honestly warden should get splash damage 8:28

[@kurindor]

yeah this tower needs crowd control

[@arandomcrusader8822]

Your wish came true

[@EduardoFelix-ui6xs]

this thing is gonna suffer so much on endless i hope john robblox reworks it soon

[@grgrgrgrgr-c6g]

Missed yesterday’s upload again, my upmost apologies Im here with 2 choices, again Day something Operation: road rage Alt name: vehicular manslaughter Towers allowed: armored factory, operator, zed, commander Solo Operator CANNOT DAMAGE THE PATH A maximum of 2 zeds are allowed to be placed down Mode: expert Map: any Power up allowed: stryker rush Operation: Pyromaniac “I fear no man. But that.. THING, it scares me.” Towers allowed: flame trooper, patrol boat (bottom path only), ghost, sniper (for stealth reveal purpose only) No power-ups Map: any map that have a moderate amount of area on fire Mode: elite/expert

[@youtefhy]

this tower seems like rioter's main attack without its ram

[@stickmin_S]

John said he will work on relic later. Gotta wait I guess. Hope it gets a buff and actual sounds

[@VaasRbl]

mods, make him grind for a tower that can't solo easy mode!!

[@MindiRamseyMarketing]

Can jugg solo easy no and because units are meant to be used for different purposes and not if something meant to be used solo and if you get overseer it can 1 shot plague docter

[@GMAN-l9p]

tds elf camp in a nutshell

[@BansanNOTbanana]

@@MindiRamseyMarketingmain problem is that relic can be used in early mid and late but it can’t deal easy mode

[@ramyadalwasif2527]

​@@MindiRamseyMarketingmain problem is flame trooper got more uses and is easier to get than relic and relic in its current state is not worth the grind

[@duckyduckington9736]

@@ramyadalwasif2527 yes... in its current state. Its been stated numerous times now that it WILL get reworked.

[@xthefirstpariahx]

Operation bad drivers, Use only vehicle towers on expert, and easy to normal map. Patrol boat armored factory and warship are all allowed same with zed and helicopter. Power ups, ones that are vehicles like ac130

[@TigerWithAnChristmasHat1224]

Fight fire with fire, they say..

[@Sledger_Gaming]

I beat apex predator with Relics when it got the placement buff.. (With the help of zed, Granger and Armored Factory ofc)

[@PlotTwist070]

this tower is basically barracks but relying on CQC (and expensive)

[@PatientSixtyNine]

Operation sailor’s crazy boats (Balance) Loadout: Partol boat, Farm, Slammer, Scarecrow, and Warship Map: Research Base Power up: Recon drone infinite, and PunkBuster 4 Mode: Endless Wave: 0-100 waves Rules: Solo, and 1 rewind

[@TatatTran]

8:54 only in TDX

[@pupucaradicu]

I'm not going to waste the time I don't have on this shit, so much grind...

[@DementedTy]

Day 19 week 2 Operation Decay If a tower is damaged it must be sold If a tower dies none of the same tower may be used No simple or easy maps Mode is expert Power ups are allowed but only air strike striker rush and cash crate and they may only be used once Xwm is allowed but same rules apply Baiting is not allowed If you fail three times then u can use power ups twice, easy maps are allowed baiting is allowed, xwm can fire and take damage but only two can be placed, punkbuster is allowed once and not on boss wave, and towers can die three times before they are not allowed hope it’s not too hard 👍

[@santerinoir1536]

Maybe if you placed all 4 then you would get further, unless you recorded it before the limit change. Also, why spam waves? Your troops didn't respawn yet but you send more enemies on them

[@kurindor]

this was recorded before, the extra 2 don't make that big of a difference

[@Exzequiel1203]

We love grinding 19k points for a tower worse than armored factory🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Hermon_Kian]

its coolest tower but the knights nevver are nevver upgraded to be strognesr and archers and whats the point of all the others if theres already a 100000 hp over seer?

[@Eyefestation1362]

Here’s my idea for Relic rework Placement cost:800 Bandit:30 hp |15 dps| 1 every 20 seconds 1-0:750 (1550 total) Bandit level 1 :50 hp |20 dps | 2 every 30 seconds 2-0:2000 (3550 total) Bandit level 2:75 hp |25 dps | 2 every 25 seconds Zealot: 250 hp |50 dps | 1 every 30 seconds 3-0:5000 (8550 total) Bandit level 2:75 hp |25 dps | 2 every 25 seconds Zealot level 1:300 hp |50 dps | 1 every 30 seconds Archer: 200 hp |150 dps | 2 every 35 seconds 4-0:25000 (33550 cost) Bandit gets removed Zealot level 2:500 hp |60 dps | 2 every 40 seconds Archer level 1:250 hp |200 dps | 2 every 50 seconds (can pierce up to 1 enemies now) Warden: 5000 hp |150 dps | 1 every 60 seconds (it has splash dmg now since Relic has 0 CC at all) 5-0:500000 (533550 cost) Zealot level 3:750 hp |100 dps | 2 every 30 seconds Archer level 2:300 hp |300 dps | 3 every 50 seconds (can pierce up to 3 enemies now) Warden level 1: 15000 hp |300 dps | 1 every 60 seconds Overseer: 150000 hp | 2500 dps | 1 every 100 seconds (also have splash damage) I try made it a late game tower by increasing the cost and also upgrading the troops level, and made archers like ranged units who are weak but deal more dps and somehow have more dps than M2 Bradley is what I said if I didn't changed their stats. And if you have any questions just saying something on the replies, pls don’t start a war down there.

[@duckyduckington9736]

this wouldnt work now considering you can have 12 relics in a quad game. So this means you have, lets do the math. 24 zealots every 30 seconds, so you have 750 x 24 and 100 x 24, so you get 18000 health and 2400 dps every 30 seconds archers you get 18000 damage per SECOND. with PIERCE Warden is irrelevant but either way you get 12000 hp with 3600 dps and overseer is 1.8 million health 30,000 SPLASH damage so we have a total of 2400 + 18000 + 3600 + 30,000 for a grand total of 54,000 dps when you get all of them and a total of 2.1 million health now if we have zealots spawn with the same timing of overseer the stats would be 54,000 health and 7200 dps archers would be 36000 dps with pierce warden would still yet again be irrelevant compared to archers because archers are overpowered as fuck with this tower. now with the 4 you could get in solo it'd be... well even then it easily handles every mode most likely.

[@Eyefestation1362]

@@duckyduckington9736 the comment was before relic placement limit became 4 so is essentially 33%/34% buff from just placement limit but even that I think I made the archers took steroids. Relic was meant for early, mid and late game but it sucks so I prioritized late game but u can still afford it early game, the archers are op but remember that some bosses or spams are like beefy as heck, overall, I'M YAPPING YIPEEEEEEEE

[@duckyduckington9736]

@@Eyefestation1362 those bosses are meant to be handled with all your towers pal.

[@Eyefestation1362]

@@duckyduckington9736 true. (Changed the stats a bit.)

[@pokade3659]

Will you give it a rematch once it gets a rework and valk unit?

[@kurindor]

yeah!

[@pokade3659]

@@kurindor good, my goat needs to run that shit back one day

[@Gothems_Worst-_-7711]

Honestly, my only critique is that it doesnt feel polished, the animations are rough, likr the bandits stab and the zealots swing, and the warden is super slow at attavking, it can only get around 1 hit jn and cant get a single swing on faster enemies, might as well say that the overseer should also have like a slash attack, with its giant claws.

[@MMeltingButter]

it would be so peak if the 100k unit is boss-sized in the rework

[@kurindor]

oh, it already is pretty boss sized!

[@NickyWang201]

Overseer is already boss sized

[@tyrannomon267]

It would be so peak if they added sound for most of the units

[@duckyduckington9736]

@@kurindor they're increasing its size by around 30-40% and giving it more FLARE.

[@StarWithAPencil]

Tower at max level should nerf the final unit's health but upgrade every previous unit heavily. It just seems underwhelming.

[@Beatsplayerontdx]

Such a pain to get the relic

[@brendanliew9598]

It's placement limit is to low to be worth a tower slot

[@TheReel_AverageTransformersfan]

MAN I CANNOT BEAT CH1 NIGHTMARE AND CH2 NIGHTMARE AND CANT EVEN GRIND WHY DO I HAVE TO GRIND TDS AND TDX IN SAME TIME

[@TheReel_AverageTransformersfan]

I CANNOT MISS EVENT TOWERS OUT

[@Skeletonwithblueflamesyeaaahh]

can't beat ch1 nm? huge skill issu/j

[@kurindor]

maybe just wait until night 3 to come out, it'll probably give a lot of points

[@TheReel_AverageTransformersfan]

@kurindor Also i didnt play tdx New update that alot i was busy on Beating x-treme in tbb

[@Iamsimplymyself]

Tbh this tower is too expensive because like over 400k for 100k hp is still not worth it since there are many enemies whose hp could reach over millions making this from being good to being useless, attack heli and ws are more worthy

[@animatronicsgamer]

They somehow managed to make the tower that’s probably the worst to grind for also the worst tower in the game.

[@Visqq_]

"Worst in the game" You definitely have no idea what you're talking about lol, low rank for sure.

[@balls-zh6oq]

Worst????

[@ImLerjan]

average rear admiral

[@arandomalt4158]

I don't think a tower should be determined by how it does entirely by itself since obviously every tower isn't designed to be used by themselves

[@NickyWang201]

​@@Visqq_ I mean, she got the points tho. Because Overseer, one of the most powerful units is kinda disappointing. Why? Because Overseer deals 20K damage to the boss instead of 100K which is... Why?? The overseer has 100K health but it deals around 20K damage to the boss. So relic is not pretty good in endless, this is so ridiculous, I'm half dead to get it and this is what we're deserved? Edit: okay, I got the point that overseer deals full damage on non-boss enemy. But I am still sad.

[@Inky-bizz8811]

15:41 just use a nuke bro.

[@vegitobluekkx2069]

you should use a tower to carry you till you get it to max... otherwise you are wasting its full potential... the best upgrade is his max lvl if you don't use it then what even is the point... and basiccly everyone have other towers before relic...

[@kurindor]

ngl its early game is better than its late game

[@vegitobluekkx2069]

@kurindor aight, but can you do thath? a video where you use a tower to support yourself till you get enought Money? maybe do all spawners towers vs endless?

[@HeitorRauberScussiato]

Why not a longer map? Also... On "How long - ENDLESS" why do you vary so much on maps?

[@kurindor]

i just pick whatever map I feel is the best for example, John in expert was on Oil Rig so I could axe the two Armored Rangers on w17 (any other map wouldn't let you do that and you would die, meaning you lose on Wave 17) i did John on Moon Outpost for Avatars and being able to axe things twice endless is a vastly different mode in terms of pacing so it can make me feel other maps are better

[@HeitorRauberScussiato]

@kurindor wow.... My 2 braincells don't work that well

[@devilbowser253]

the tower is very cool but theres never a point where its useful, by the time you can afford the max level in either expert or endless youre either dead, dont need it at all or its already useless, it feels like a dead slot to equip it

[@kurindor]

level 1 is insane CE in the early game but once you hit wave 6-8 it becomes useless imo, late game just isn't worth it

[@duckyduckington9736]

@@kurindor archers are also rlly good, warden is just so irrelevant because of its health being too low for the 10 THOUSAND PRICE COST.

[@TheLoneMan-fk2iu]

if it werent for that nerf it can solo expert

[@Starz_bread]

I expect a now units only, relic barracks armored factory and zed Including commander and operator Day 21 Operation: “whoops wrong time!” Mode: elite or expert (recommend elite but expert is okay) *( i love these maps ngl :3)* Map: GDI Port City Outpost Forge Junction (recommended) Military harbor Survival 202 Load: missile trooper (top path only!) Armored factory Sniper (only do top path) Grenadier (only fo top path) Barracks (only do bottom path) Artillery *your able to replace a tower for juggernaut, (only top path!)* Rewinds: *allowed* Powerups: (only two powerups of your choice is allowed) (Description) Wait wait! This isn’t the world war..? It seems like the future, im not sure if our equipment can deal with these new looking stuff we got here! Lets make the most out of this! Operation: “Whoops wrong time!” Is basically a world war situation, you brung back towers who wouldn’t serve the war, fight (either elite or expert)

[@gavintighe8674]

I have the relic, ngl its very shit. Not to mention the final upgrade is 300k for a dude with 100k hp that just sprints into enemies. I prefer barracks over relic.

[@fixtip6676]

Im back, oh what is thisssssss...

[@kurindor]

wb!

[@FOUNDAITIONSCl]

This need 16000 tokens I need grind 7hours with x2point

[@Brazil0987]

This tower is mid as hell

[@pootisthehoovy]

London tower

[@anitsslayer5838]

z.e.d better +ratio

[@Dragonfire-ir5ln]

Probably not lategame usage tho, max zed is strong but overseer is just... crazy

[@kurindor]

nah max zed is better in the late game, overseer struggles on hordes so much especially in lategame expert, meanwhile zed will just shred right through them not to mention 6 zeds being better than 2 overseers

[@Dragonfire-ir5ln]

@kurindor well in solos yes, but taking 1 zed vs 1 overseer, overseer generally does better against stuff, usually if it's not endless he just wipes the map, and he tears apart chunks of boss hp

[@anitsslayer5838]

6 z.e.d that mean 60k hp it not a lot to 200k hp but so 1,818 dps to 15,000 dps

[@Renosen]

​@@kurindor uhm actually 1 relic spawn 2 so its 4 overseers 🤓