The Reason to Whiff Buttons in Neutral

[@WrathMilten]

PSYCHO streamer INSISTS that new players MISS their opponents to FOOL them into LETTING him use RELENTLESS TOP TIERS SADISTIC BUTTONS

[@Mr.Faust3]

only jiyuna would do such a thing spread misinformation

[@thewoorldoo44]

Brain_f is truly despicable

[@Ben_From_Canada]

Jmcrofts is giving absolutely abhorrent takes

[@Sorrelhas]

You'd think Max would stop using such disgusting tactics after reaching a million subs

[@Kerby2000]

Damn I didn't know Jerma was a Sin main

[@deadfr0g]

I read a post on SRK years ago where someone insightfully described this as cranking up the noise on your “signal-to-noise ratio” because it makes you way harder to read or react to. Wish I could remember who to give credit to. The idea itself is permanently seared into my brain.

[@TheJakeJackson]

I would appreciate it if some of you all could keep replying to this comment for the next couple weeks so that I can see it pop-up in my notifications every day and get to reread it until it's seared into my brain.

[@comicalbanana]

@@TheJakeJackson remember to throw in the laundry too while you're at it

[@arbyw.1889]

@@TheJakeJackson Remember to drink water as well

[@queencoreglitch9201]

@@TheJakeJackson Hope you're having a good day

[@TheJakeJackson]

Good call thank you, I just threw in the laundry and had a drink. I love you folks 🥲

[@zenusepsilon]

I just wanna say that I appreciate the end clips from the streams that have no relevance to the topic of the videos it's really funny

[@CarbonRollerCaco]

Udgey: "Miles is banned from Ace Attorney 4, Layton vs. AA, Great AA 1 and 2 for the health of the game" Miles "Tails" Prower: "I'm not a Miles; Tails is my real name"

[@absoul112]

"I'm not even a Steve, Sajam's my real name."

[@abfloorr]

i missed these types of videos micheal. great video

[@Cheebs3D]

Whiffing I-No K Divekick to bait a run up and press is my favorite, the recovery is super quick. When it works and I get a CH my smooth brain feels galaxy for that one fleeting moment

[@TheJbrown60]

you play in the tower huh

[@uwabamiJohnny]

@@TheJbrown60Nearly everyone plays in the tower dawg 😂

[@Eskimofo13]

@@uwabamiJohnny cap. Real players go to park.

[@Tensorial]

Ur spitting the k dive switchup is godlike

[@Cheebs3D]

@@Tensorialeyyy! your tns run was awesome, do you got a twitch?

[@masterofdoom5000]

Same reason wolves bark: threaten an interaction. You gonna cower and walk back? You gonna try and throw projectiles? You wanna whiff punish? Do something, make yourself open. I fucking DARE you to do anything that let's me react and punish.

[@yannilibbes8219]

if you only get to ask one question in a game, asking "who's the beatdown" in the matchup is the best one.

[@LunarOverdrive]

Old Joseph in JJBA Heritage for the Future is almost always on the defensive and I love it. Even when it's a winning MU for him it still makes him feel like the under-dog.

[@El-Burrito]

"I don't know what's happening... I'm dead" - story of my life

[@twistedgambit9084]

Classic Sajam quotes

[@Mario_bland]

If sajam walks forward like this (mashes 2s) and you get hit, its not his fault.

[@Micha-Hil]

reason 1: it's funny reason 2: see reason 1 reason 3: see reason 2

[@mattb6616]

I like that sajam puts this video out while everyone else is like "sin has the worst buttons and most whiff punishable buttons in the game and you can't play neutral with him"

[@SkewtLilbttm]

In summary: Dat staff always out and swangin'

[@tatzooism]

This is something I do only with specials consciously, actually opened my eyes ty sajam. Also Rev 2 cpu does this with dps, for some reason (and it gets me trying to something on their landing)

[@Suspinded]

I did not expect a "Who's the Beatdown?" reference in my FGC video, but I'm here for it.

[@nkirmath8621]

It's worth adding that if you know a great button to whiff on someone's wakeup, then by all means, do so because tricking them into thinking you're mashing will just cause them to play worse. Great does not always mean fast, just try to whiff something that won't leave you negative if you want to trick them.

[@chellejohnson9789]

Bait and parry someone's Mortabato is why I keep going

[@ecstaticafter4644]

you gotta do a barbeque stream man sizzle some ribeyes or some shit 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😋😋💯

[@altokia2724]

Damn, He's toupe is alleged, it is not normally.

[@brian_cream]

I personally Whiff sol's 2S constantly in neutral and i don't think it gives me bad results, i hardly ever get countered and the reward seems very worth the risk.

[@Sp4c3gl1d3r]

i used to do this with 6s? forward slash. i’m not too familiar with guilty gear notation as i mainly play tekken but after they nerfed the frame data on it , it wasn’t safe enough to just create space with anymore

[@dingleberryliespewer3177]

2s is such a nice move to throw out, and the crouching confirm into br 5k dash kara HVV gives me life.

[@brian_cream]

@@dingleberryliespewer3177 i'm actually ass at doing kara HVV i just don't try in real matches. One day when there's nothing else to improve of my sol i'll start grinding those combos but i'm lacking in time to practice rn.

[@brian_cream]

@@Sp4c3gl1d3r i'm not a sol veteran i just recently started playing it but the button itself hasn't changed much it's just that the reward decreased immensely and gunflame which is the usual follow up became more minus on block.

[@Sp4c3gl1d3r]

@@brian_cream i see, i havent played strive since season 2 , good to know though!

[@degen7278]

I had this question for so long yet never searched it up, I appreciate this so much.

[@crabhmandu5819]

this is cool man thanks for sharing!

[@snowys4168]

Thanks for the content Sajam ^w^

[@StandingHereIRealizeYouWereJus]

the fact that this man took the time out his day to teach the scrubs about the basics of the baiken match-up

[@SkillBasedGamer]

Mental gymnastics for "I can't help myself from pressing all the buttons all of the time"

[@GSRyker]

Hey! Thanks!

[@MammothMD]

POT 5H is a great example of why to whiff buttons in neutral

[@evilded2]

Yeah I need to just mash on 6p, 2k and grace reaper more when I play testament. I’m used to being able to control space with BTs on goldlewis.

[@rabbyd542]

I do this all the time. It loads up their mental stack with useless information.

[@KidDracula666]

Reason One: You play Happy Chaos

[@disco3669]

Footsies!!!!

[@zuchmiyoff4734]

sick

[@DD8MO610]

What video does sajam talk about Magic the Gathering matchups?

[@christiannovak5340]

“Sajam discusses different types of fighting game players”

[@loopygordo]

Whiffing GL F.slash since 1999

[@tobiash4802]

Thanks for making me internally ramble about Guilty Gear, I really needed that today

[@karue7581]

So many people in the comments being so wrong about fighting game with so much confidence is pretty funny

[@Mene0]

algorithm comment

[@zato-1766]

When whiff recovery in Strive is so good streamer recommends you use whiffing to bait people into thinking they can approach.

[@SupermanSajam]

Tbh it’s even better in so many other games that are faster

[@tapp2735]

KOF would blow your mind then

[@THENEPTUNEGAMER]

Xrd sol whiffing 2s in neutral five million times a set would blow your mind

[@zato-1766]

@@THENEPTUNEGAMER well Nago 2sing 40X in neutral is the equivalent here lol.

[@zato-1766]

@@SupermanSajam yea but I feel like the only way this idea works is if the opponent expects they should be able to whiff punish it. Otherwise it's just preemptive buttons in neutral no? Like pre nerf Nago just doing 2s over and over again because that move had k button recovery, I wouldn't exactly consider that baiting since everyone knew that move was essentially impossible to whiff punish. So in faster games people would have the same assumption. It's the moves that look like you should be able to whiff punish them that seem to ve where this strategy is most useful.

[@Donobro]

I hate this

[@MotorcycleYeti]

Whew I could answer this question just by reading the title. Half the cast has such negligible recovery on their attacks that they can whiff (intentionally or not) without repercussion. The game is the most "balanced" it's ever been, but it's also the most boring it's ever been because they keep removing notable weakness from characters except a small few and just give everyone all the tools they need. Weeeeeee. SF6 soon.

[@mattb6616]

Comment gives me the sense you didn't play sf6 beta because "removing notable weaknesses from characters" and "just give everyone all the tools" seems to be the M.O. for that game.

[@ArkRiley]

Can't wait for you to make the same complaints in SF6, see you in the comments there~

[@MotorcycleYeti]

@@mattb6616 I try to only compare games to themselves throughout development. GG and SF are developed by different people, even if the general mindset seems to be approaching a similar trajectory. It's one thing to give every character all the tools they need to be successful, but that's just not the case in GG. They have however given like half the characters what they need while eliminating just about any risky gameplay. For most of the cast, "weaknesses" tend to be matchup specific rather than design. Things like, "This ability isn't even that good because can punish it!". Meanwhile, other characters have universal weaknesses and seem to simply exist to elevate the fan favorites.

[@MotorcycleYeti]

@@ArkRiley Depends on whether or not Capcom applies the logic unilaterally or if they cherry pick like Arcsys. I don't typically expect that level of nuanced thinking from randos in the comment section though.