The Redemption of VShojo

[@DepressedNousagi]

A month after this video was made, VShojo opened auditions for EN and JP

[@Jmt1000XD]

That’s awesome! Quick question, can you stop using the word Nepotism when describing Vshojo? That’s not what nepotism means. Thanks. And good video!

[@kitirena_koneko]

@@Jmt1000XD Nepotism (noun) "the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them jobs." --Oxford English Dictionary. Yep. Nepotism definitely fits VShojo by definition.

[@randyfulcher1470]

@@kitirena_koneko while yes i won't say it is part of vshojo this whole audition is literally mean to get someone knew so no reason to think its just a reason for vshojo to get someone they already know as they have shown if they want someone they know in they get in the haruka thing was abnormal but its not a mistake vshojo would make again plus sense then they realized their fans give 0 fucks if they wanna add someone their friends with to vshojo because normally they're known by the comunity before they join. nepotism is the right word for it yes but with this knew audition unless im severely proven wrong should actually be someone that vshojo ether doesn't know or doesn't know much about. (the only senario i see we get something like haruka again is if the new person turns out to be mint as i feel like in that scenario she would want to actually "earn" her place in but even then i doubt shes joining and more likely to stay an indie that work with vshojo a lot)

[@kitirena_koneko]

@@randyfulcher1470 Zentreya did say that she was pushing hard for new talents that weren't already friends of the existing crew to have a chance at joining, and I have good reason to believe her. I'm hoping that VShojo learned all the right lessons from their last audition mishap and the doxing that happened to them, but at the same time, knowing that their CEO, TheGunRun, used to work for Twitch makes me wary, especially since Twitch is notorious about not properly enforcing their Terms of Service. So, basically I'm taking a "wait and see" stance before deciding whether VSJ is decent or just another crap show like Wactor or Nijisanji.

[@SDE1994]

"when youre down, the only way is up" Niji: "how dare you try to tell me what to do" proceeds to digs deeper

[@Iamstickman]

Niji sinks itself so deep it would make the Titanic blush

[@kirbo4964]

Bet titanic would like to have a word with nijisanji

[@Gatherway]

If you dig down far enough, eventually you'll pop out on the other side. In Niji's case, I feel as though they'll instead stumble upon a portal that leads to a black hole.

[@leandroiuki4337]

They are going to Brazil, literally!

[@Gilicus18793420blazingfury]

@@leandroiuki4337 So they're digging through the Hollow Earth?

[@ComicZeroOne]

VShojo went from a rundown apartment with a suspicious vibe, to Xavier's School For Lost Vtubers

[@rocky-my5ck]

Plays x-men 98 theme

[@ComicZeroOne]

@@rocky-my5ck kzbin.infomx_3Ds5lD0w

[@charliekahn4205]

To me it's more like they started as some scrappy garage band, and then they realized that it's not like they're only allowed to have a certain number of people in your band as long as you switch it up between people, and then leased an actual rehearsal space to fit everyone.

[@edt3594]

@@rocky-my5ck henya always had a jubilee vibe.

[@theskullboy8700]

Gun run: to me. My vtubers

[@japanesemusic2927]

Again: Pikamee was NOT an Indie. She was a VOMS member.

[@CarlFox]

Also, in her case, it's wasn't a 'rescue' per se, but more her moving on as VOMS didn't have the resources to support what she ultimately wanted to do. She essentially outgrew Pikamee (who wasn't her IP) and expanded her horizons elsewhere.

[@rankoprose]

@@CarlFox Exactly! Pikamee had 3 reasons to leave. The first was that she was unable to get 3D, since VOMS did not have the resources. 2nd, the Pikarmy reaction to Isekai Pikamee. As you can tell with Henya, she has a certain look she wanted, but the fans were used to the old look, and the backlash and constant complaining made her want a fresh start so she can be what she wants. Which led to 3rd, she did not own her IP. Owning herself was a big deal to her since she can design herself and do what she wants. Bonus, since she is a Lazy AF person (her own words) not having the perms issues is a huge deal as it allows her to do things on a whim. Which is why she was never a fit for Hololive, she hates doing things she doesn't want to, and the perms issues are the worst at Hololive.

[@megarotom1590]

@@rankoprose most members to my knowledge was fine with the new model. I haven't even heard backlash on it till now. there might've been slight preference but that's really it. Ultimately she was too big for Voms to support... and also arguably while the HL wasn't why she graduated it definitely removed time she could've hung around

[@megarotom1590]

well... Voms was a small company and Pikamee was popular among indies so can see why she'd be considered analagous to one

[@Jesujej]

nousagi doesnt even know when hololive talents are on hiatus or not

[@tapeman8365]

GEEGA deserves a lot of credit for the current situation at VShojo too. When she was invited, she said she noticed a distinct lack of interpersonal communication between the members, and she methodically worked on getting them to join VCs in Discord and do more stuff together for months. Her efforts certainly paid off.

[@kimpatz2189]

The hidden hero. Who also has one of the unique stream style that appeals to a select viewers. This also makes her always forgotten as she loves more background work than showing off at the front. Her bluntness is relentless. Paired with her long time friend Joel, the duo is a disaster incarnate. The two really understand that communication is key and every corpo, organization or even on a pre-collab must have a proper sit down and communicate and not just blindly plow through.

[@Leonlion0305]

IIRC Zen also begin to do what Geega did more after a certain point but I am not sure when. I recall there's an incident but I can't pinpoint what was it specifically that made her decide to improve on the intra-agency collabs.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@Leonlion0305 It may or may not have been Silvervale's parting shot at Mouse in her first indie stream. It may have been unprofessional and venomous, but it highlighted a problem that was lack of comms between members.

[@Leonlion0305]

@@DinnerForkTongue that might be it. Thanks

[@RZ-yk2se]

dont expect this guy to do real research DN is nothing but a drama clout chaser and was seething when mouse won vtuber of the year

[@KeebeThePlush]

I’m glad unlike niji, Vshojo was able to improve, let people leave with their assets, and providing for the members still in their bubble

[@Primal2229]

This has been said so many, many times. They own their assets, backgrounds, models and more importantly IPs, like with vtubers under Mythic. There was no 'allowing' because SIlver, Vei and Nyan owned everything. The ones who debut new under Vshojo is questionable, so as for the unfixable one it was given the stuff likely to help her out the door and they sure as hell were never going to use it again after... especially after everything that happened afterwards X_x; VShojo talents pay for all their assets, models and outfits out of pocket. Zen shelled out 10k for the cyber rebrand on its own.

[@ElliotKeaton]

@@Primal2229 _"The ones who debut new under Vshojo is questionable"_ Kson has _repeatedly_ said that VTubers who debut new under VShojo still own their own assets. _Henya_ said that she still owns her own assets. Nazuna _left_ with her assets and even that wasn't enough to get people off the fence about it.

[@kevinnio]

That's because they paid for their assets. That's why they only take established vtubers. They have the resources to create their new assets, so they belong to them from debut. That way Vshojo doesn't have to invest in assets, so it has no claim on any of them, which works for the agency and the talents.

[@MoriguTheDead]

@@Primal2229 Michi has said she owns her assets so if she leaves they go with her. I suspect she's in debt for them, but could pay off that after she's left if she wants.

[@FrarmerFrank]

vSohjo is a management service for a conglomerate of Indies so of course the girls own their IP and any Models and Assets gifted them by the Quarterly Sponser Slush Fund(Ironmouse mentioned the Quarterly fund as a member perk) They also also have Medical/Dental(mentioned by Henya) and paid Therapy(most recently mentioned by Michi) paid by the Sponsers Funniest part is they say all that then wonder how vSojo makes any money as they dont take any of the IP ad revenue,memberships,subscriptions, donations,or Superchats (Michi even even offered and her manager told her no,thats her money😹) The negotiable cut is on Merch Sales (Merch creation funded by sponsers) and Cut on any personal Sponser vSohjo lands for the talent (50/50 is opener but hear its been 65/35 in the girls favor for the vets but Nyanners,Vei,and Silvervale walked cause they were pushing for 80/20 their favor but vSohjo runs on 35% of Merch sales so)

[@gexianhen]

is kinda a meme at this point how Everyone count Mint as a Vshojo member but herself

[@AO968]

She's definitely an honorary member at this point. They even included her standee at the VShojo section at OffKai, and Gunrun seems to be giving her some form of support behind the scenes.

[@KingOfNebbishes]

Even if she's just waiting out a "no rival agencies" clause in her old contract, she's probably understandably nervous about being in a company after what happened. I won't be surprised if in six months or so she joins, though.

[@LucasFerreira-fp4nj]

She is in the same situation as Geega, being practically a Vshojo member but not formally.

[@aXsEpsilon769]

guess she took Haruka's place, since she was pretty much an honorary member of VShojo(for me) before she joined in

[@OrbObserver]

@@LucasFerreira-fp4nj Geega is literally a Vshojo member though? She joined months ago and has been doing plenty of collabs.

[@ps4pro668]

Vshojo has two eras: The Nux era and the Retirement Home era, the latter which we’re currently in. I think the recruitment of Henya and later the Niji livers is what truly saved Vshojo. Henya was attacked for the wizard game and was sorely missed when she graduated. I don’t need to explain how shitty Niji is and how great it is that the people who worked there are feeling happier now.

[@edenromanov]

The Niji rescues have absolutely been key to the better optics the company has, Henya was the start with the better optics but the Niji hires were what's changed the most opinions about the company imo

[@guilguis4820]

They needed to be in danger in order to be saved. This was never the case.

[@suhnih4076]

She should've gone indie tbh

[@lucky4d725]

​@@suhnih4076why ?

[@suhnih4076]

@lucky4d725 cause she's better off defending herself that way lmao

[@dextokuyasu]

To me VShojo is like a talent management agency for IRL actors. It is an agency that represents its talent, provides support as needed from its internal departments, and seeks work (depending if the agency has talent agents as well as managers) for its roster. In this case I’d say seeking sponsors is like finding work. So yeah, I absolutely see it as an agency. It’s just not an idol agency model, but a talent agency model. That’s the way I see VShojo at least.

[@BlueBerry2283]

The "nepotism" also makes sense from that viewpoint

[@charliekahn4205]

I see it as more like a very disconnected managed rock band. They're too close as an organization and the members have way too much control over who gets in to just be a talent agency.

[@immapotato1]

they're the only one's who fit the term "agency" from a western perspective. the others are closer eastern idol agencies (most notorious being kpop companies) who basically own their talent and often pay in clout (Kpop particularly I've seen actual examples of this)

[@FaithfulFumoFan23]

Henya was a good addition for them

[@kjrv7779]

A GENIUS addition if you ask me

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Henya was VShojo's rubicon. Her admission was the point where everything, including the talents' attitudes, changed. She may not be the sole mortar in the company's masonry since everyone is contributing to it, but she 💯% was the catalyst for that mortar to form and harden the whole monolith.

[@thedomoking]

It really did feel like Henya caused more interaction between the talents

[@suhnih4076]

Truly

[@NicoDoesLP]

I didn't really have a good idea about vsho until she joined. And now I'm so super happy she did. So yeah, you're pretty much right. And then it kept getting compounded upon more and more and I'm seeing more talents join in that I loved in the past. This company just can't stop winning and I love to see it.

[@vincenttorrijos9680]

Evidence that they've improved has worked wonders for their pr. From losing 3 talents at once (a major hit given the small size) to being where we hope our favorite ex-corpo's end up. Of course niji's bad reputation quickly trumping Vshojo's own even before Selen's termination was a factor, but just becoming the lesser evil doesn't give you the kind of redemption Vshojo had.

[@nujevad28]

Those three leaving was the turning point. It's like they got a fresh start.

[@farhanabdurrahman2546]

​@@nujevad28 indeed. Those 3 used to attracts lots of unecessary drama. So them leaving is a win for Vshojo.

[@Ballade90]

The only drama unique to those three was silver wanting to play a Harry Potter game while nyan and vei saw that vshojo wasn't actively helping them grow from the company side of things. Odds are that couple of months served as a massive wakeup call to the higher ups which is why things improved

[@skylarsimes8]

​@@Ballade90Well.you also have the entire Nux situation that Nyanners used to throw her hate she has at Nux and the general "mean girl" shit she and Veibae do. They were workplace cancers and it's only fitting she went and joined fucking Asmons company XD

[@TheLeky98]

They then either started a new company or joined a new company. Just shows that they probably got jealous of the others getting more popular

[@MrStGeorgeIllawarra]

As Matara explained a few months ago, Henya is the key. She has this kindness and happness buff that radiates around her and out to everyone else.

[@Luccaluke]

Something that wasn't mentioned is how Geega joining coincided with a strong increase of collabs in VShojo. I don't know for sure if it was her that increased that frequency or if it was something else internally, but since that happened I found myself enjoying all of their content a whole lot more.

[@KodyakCombs]

Geega played a huge part because she brought structure to the collabs instead of just vibes. She made them all start properly plan out their interacts and streams together until it became the norm for them. This is what Mousey said and Geega confirmed

[@fratbarsmeric901]

15:20 "But when you are down, there is nowhere to go but up" Kurosanji: Hold my beer

[@jsmith6599]

If you can't fall any lower, you can always start digging.

[@Slayer-tx2dc]

I view VShojo more like a group of indies rather than an actual agency

[@suhnih4076]

Yeah that's the problem. They attacked Nux for trying to help them, and then refused to protect Silvervale from harassers, all because of lack of communication. Luckily tho they've been sailing smoothly for the past year.

[@VoidHxnter]

​@@suhnih4076 Yeah, I just blame that on them being a pretty new agency at the time and not having everything figured out yet.

[@suhnih4076]

@VoidHxnter true lol

[@guilguis4820]

@@suhnih4076 They advised Silver, paid for mental health treatment and Mouse even defended he publicly. What else could VShojo have done to protect Silver? Throw every single member on the fire with her? She knew there'd be controversy around it and went for it anyway. If she was in any other agency she'd have been suspended or forced to apologize. People were demanding that they fire her and they never did. Can you tell me anything else that they could've done?

[@suhnih4076]

@guilguis4820 fair lol

[@blazingCFC]

9:25 rather than an indie, pikamee was a corpo vtuber under VOMS, was she not?

[@DepressedNousagi]

Oh. What the fuck LOL I COMPLETELY MISSED THIS

[@sirizalot]

Pikamee introduced me to Tomoshika, another VOMS member, who is a cinnamon roll whom I still check in on from time to time.

[@coolman229]

Yeah she was, though VOMS is very small and even with the new additions they recently added they only have 6 talents. They're practically as indie as you can be while still being in a company and having a professional artist like Gyari designing their character and making their models and drawing stuff for them.

[@akira8393]

​@@DepressedNousagi "i do really well in my research you see. My opinions is always right"

[@moonyamoonya997]

@@DepressedNousagi what a fraud

[@Go-ue6lz]

I think originally VShojo just seemed like a company with a lot of strong individual members but not really a cohesive group (other than them being friends) but after Henya joined one thing that really showed was that other members really try to create a sense of comradery like Zen initiating a lot of collabs that include new members as well as current stream friends (Heavenly and CDawg) so it feels like the new members are getting help getting acclimated to the VShojo ecosystem. Also I think for the nepotism part, I think some people dont know that quite a few members from Holo and Niji were fairly established before joining their respective agencies so while it's not necessarily like a "we hire our friends or already known names" type like how VShojo is, already having a fairly successful channel/PL really helps the audition process rather than being a completely new and unknown person.

[@Blackwing2345635]

True, early VShojo was so disonnected, that I was always forgetting, that half of them were not indie. But in the period, roughly, between Kson joining and Silver, Vei, and Nyan leaving they seemed to be figuring out, how to actually be a group, and when Henya joined they were already on it. And, honestly, I'm a bit surprised that Zen became the main "glue" on the streaming end, not Mouse or Kson.

[@proto245]

@@Blackwing2345635 For one reason, Everyone loves henya. After HL, Everyone wants to treat Henya as one of their own, and in the process it created a sense of unity since it broke the doubts on how to be, and just be united. Which in the process led to a family like dynamic.

[@Pfish1000]

For the nepotism thing, the problem isn't that they do it. Most streamer orgs (which is closer to what vshojo is) only take on larger streamers. Vshojo just requires you to basically be friends with someone in the group too. It's that it's not made clear in the audition process and instead they advertised early on like they were like hololive but better (no idol stuff, basically no split, and you own your IP). People don't like it when companies aren't honest about application requirements. Doesn't matter that it's an entertainment company and not some office job. Admittedly, they still would have had drama initially, if they said you needed minimum 50k followers on a social media platform. That gets mitigated with the correct branding. So not positioning yourself as the West's answer to hololive, and instead as a vtuber streamer org.

[@brandonhowell5096]

@@Pfish1000 To add on to this most people don't have issues with them hiring on friends, but for the love of god don't make it out to be a huge spectacle when they do its bad enough most people can guess from a small group of people that they interact with that its a pretty easy shot on whose joining. As an aside I will say at some point this will end up stone walling them at some point.

[@Go-ue6lz]

@@Pfish1000 That makes sense. Personally, just judging by the members, I already assumed this was a "bunch of friends make a company" type thing so i was never surprised when the next member was a friend of one of the existing members but definitely they might as well take away the "audition" process if realistically we have never seen anyone who has made it in solely through auditioning.

[@raderelcaroman1403]

My man forgot Geega joined alongside the others

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Geega being lowkey the lynchpin of the attitude change, too. She was the main driving force behind the collab culture that made VShojo je cohesive unit that it is today. DN did her dirty.

[@J1ntu]

I feel like they became a rehab center so they could undo all of the damage Niji did. Also I was wondering the same about Cover

[@Lelmao33]

Well Cover already rescued one of Niji

[@acmenipponair]

Cover cannot be a rescue chamber for Niji, as they are based in Japan and therefore Riku could sue Yagoo when Yagoo would say bad stuff about Niji (even if true). Meanwhile VShojo is US based and therefore can just give Riku the middle finger, what they do more and more the last months.

[@dayus_pita]

the biggest difference between hololive ijisanji and vshojo is that hololive is a "CORPORATION" and vshojo is an " AGENCY" you join a corporation as an employee regardless of your identity as a talent whereas in agency you considered a talent first and employee later also vshojo instead of being comparable to a streamer house\ network , are much more comparable to a western music label or actor \ athelete agencies

[@VoidHxnter]

I think the most important person they brought on was Matara. She's known to drink alcohol regularly and had impostor syndrome and very possibly depression. Mix those two together, and you get someone who drinks themselves to death. If I recall correctly, Gunrun himself went to meet Matara and invited her to VShojo. Im so glad that she's still here. I believe Michi was also depressed and she seems so much happier now.

[@leonrussell9607]

She's not an alcoholic

[@VoidHxnter]

@@leonrussell9607 I know, but she very well could have became one if she stayed in a depressive state.

[@m1kadzuki]

It seems like Matara feels muuuuuch better. She sounds so happy and her vibe is just amazing now. In her PL she sounded really depressed a lot of times.

[@aurinrakkun8589]

Gunrun also helped Kuro out of the ridiculously shitty tax hole Niji dumped him in. Things like that go a long way towards improving the company’s image and even reinforcing Gun’s being a great dude.

[@VoidHxnter]

@@aurinrakkun8589 Yeah I forgot about that. The dude would have been in so much debt that he probably could have been in for most of his life.

[@memegito_1]

Vindication feels so good. This is coming from a Holo and Vshojo bro.

[@noeltorres1749]

Geega joining V-Shojo to me doesn't get talked about enough. Among the content creation industry she is highly respected. Her professionalism is what V-Shojo gains with her. Maybe if you really don't like the poop jokes check her out. She can yap and educate with the best of them. Also, she well connected to other content creators since she also works with MSM. To further clarify that point Geega can collab with someone like Nagzz or ChilledChaos just as seamlessly as she collabs with her fellow V-Tubers. Yes, public perception of V-Shojo changed thanks to Henya, Matara, Kuro, and Michi, but I encourage you to not sleep on Geega who is definitely talented and lives up to her moniker of The General.

[@MoriBoita]

I never hopped into the Vshojo hate, and seeing Vshojo saving vtubers from bad companies (cough cough) or just giving them more a different opportunity made me like them more than I did (which was like "Cool, i guess" in the past) I don't expect a "redemption" arc for other companies tho, like Niji or Vreverie. And in Vrev's case it's not even the vtubers who are at fault, Gen3 seems to be doing okay, but like, the company itself it's the issue And fuck nijisanji

[@BunnyTheOverlord]

Was literally watching a recommended clip yesterday of Heavenly, Zen and Henya thinking to myself "Damn VShojos really come far." then this pops up today.

[@artist0154]

The answer is not just vibes, you said it yourself: previous vshojo members didn't have rules, they had a lot of talent freedom and that led to chaos, this attitude of "we have no boundaries, we can do and say anything" could feel unsavory to many viewers who expect something more chill, easy-going or less political BUT the new members are different, they were vtubers from different agencies, so they have the knowledge that indies can't, they know what rules and techniques are better to handle a situation, they have freedom but they know when to stop Basically they have the best of the eastern and western culture, they know how to sell their own brand, how to keep a good PR, how to treat their chat and their other members, is like a bunch of ex-professional players that are now in a street club, with enough time they can help polish and make that club grow

[@akira8393]

Dude mysta already causing a pr disaster for himself. I dunno what knowledge you mean here😂 they dont learn shit from there other than "we have managers that aren't retarded"

[@guilguis4820]

Those restrictions don't seem to help other agencies either. Niji has controversies every week and even Holo has some from time to time. I'd also like some examples of this "chaos" you're referring to. You can count on one hand the number of controversies they had in over 3 years, meanwhile other agencies with all those restriction have way more.

[@akira8393]

@@guilguis4820 Vshojo's talent freedom is Only limit in their creativity which is basically none and if you fuck up as a vshojo talent. For the most part you're on your own. But hey talent freedom has no cons am i right

[@guilguis4820]

@@akira8393 I'm not really sure I understand what you're trying to say. My point was that whatever restriction the other companies impose on their talent hasn't been saving them from controversies, they still happen and I'd argue it happens way more than in VShojo. If restriction don't help, why have them?

[@akira8393]

@@guilguis4820 what I'm saying is that while not full proof. It does help in someways. Yeah holo still have drama but their drama is most tamest I've seen. Nijisanji despite having restrictions, they have favoritisms to some talents and also sucks at their job, the pr team is like 7 dollars worker so I can't say im surprised. Still, niji would go out of their way to do something. Vshojo, as a company is pretty much has the image of hololive but the talents have the reputation of niji talents. Most Vshojo's drama always stems from the members either ironmouse saying retarded to silvervale burning bridges and so on. Talent freedom while gives them to do whatever they want would also mean, They are on their own if shits ever hits on their face that's why silver was on her own when she had the whole hogwarts thing going on. At best case, you have ironmouse that just shouts in the background as if that ever did anything useful. Restrictions again while not full proof does help you in some capacity. If you got dox, is vshojo gonna help? A lawsuit at best but yeah i doubt it. you got moronmouse there preaching bullshit PR for you so that's some pros there.

[@phelanjo]

The contracts didn't stay the same. After Vei, Silver and Nyan left the company Vshojo redid the contracts making the better for the talent. K-Son mentioned on stream that after those girls left her contract as well as the contracts for the other member got way better.

[@akumuryuu]

Yeah... hiring only established vtubers... considering their business model, if it's not exclusive to Kson, they kinda have to do that, or they'll go bankrupt. It also kinda lets them screen potential troublemakers. Which is not perfect, given they still hired Nazuna, but it's something. It also means they don't hire that many people, avoiding having a debut fatigue like with Niji. In fact, because those are always established talents, debuts in Vshojo are always exciting.

[@akira8393]

The problem is that you're just gonna have to deal with boring stagnant ones because everyone is just one in the same. Everyone does toilet sex humor and shit gets annoying fast. But hey im a bigot they say why should brain rot humor matter

[@akumuryuu]

@@akira8393 People throw this "toilet humor" term a lot, but its amount is ridiculously overexaggerated. And a lot of them collab outside of not only their own agency, but even outside vtuber and vtuber adjacent groups, so the stagnation in question is not going to happen. To me, while Henya joining was a great positive, it was far outweighed by seeing Zen, Haruka and Geega on Chilled's stream. They are not the only ones, Silver and Hylo were there at some point, and Pasta, Chibi and Ravin are frequent members of the group. This interaction with veteran youtubers of the old is also mixed with occasional collabs with something like Hololive is the opposite of stagnation. Even if Vshojo itself is a closed circle, it doesn't mean they are limited by that circle.

[@akira8393]

@@akumuryuu it does seem limited to me despite the "talent freedom" they jerk off about

[@guilguis4820]

@@akira8393 You only think that because you don't watch the streams. You saw a couple of cooksie clips from years ago and wrote them off. They don't do toilet humor that much. Especially not Zen, Froot, Mel and Henya. Everyone has different styles of humor and content.

[@K311WasHere]

​@@akumuryuuseeing vshojo on chilled vods honestly made me really happy to see

[@dabdotnet]

13:08 He said OTK. The screen shows OTV. These are two different groups with different people afaik

[@akira8393]

Tehe

[@GunterThePenguinHatesHugs]

When Kettle joined, EVERYONE was just brought together fawning over her and her cute English 😭❤️ - I remember she was still quite reserved and had Japanese company etiquette initially, but after she collabed with Pippa and Tenma, she kinda realized she could be less formal and swear and take playful jabs with ENtubers? That one-block Minecraft was one of those legendary vtuber streams lol.

[@DelSolstice]

Silvervale throwing shade at Mouse and Connor on her way out made her the MOST hated to certain groups, tbh. This was after Ironmouse was the only one to directly defend her over the Hogwarts Legacy thing (Kson did as well in an indrect way, saying that the harassment over the game mostly genuine, it was just people looking for targets, which is almost certainly true).

[@Apropoetic]

Yeah I wasn't very familiar with Silver and fairly new to Vtubing at the time but that really turned me off of her. It just came off really petty.

[@Shinio69]

Froot came to her chat to talk shit when she had breakdown on stream. Ofc she was mad at other members. Silver didn't deserve hatred she received and other member even dogpiled on top of everyhing.

[@cpttankerjoe]

@@DelSolstice Ironmouse is viewed as the leader of Vshojo. When she sat back and did nothing while Froot attacked Silvervale it left a very poor taste in silvervales mouth about both Froot and Ironmouse. From Silvervales point of view, Ironmouse sat back and did absolutely nothing she saw that and probably took it as “you don’t actually care about me”. And I think if Ironmouse truly did care she would have stepped forward much earlier than when it became inconvenient for her.

[@aidreinhorn1534]

Looking back on it, Mouse didn’t do too much.

[@InsanoDeedz]

From the top of the sinking yacht, at the end of the monochrome rainbow I see a pink V

[@playahsan]

I only started following them AFTER they began their new rennesaince and I love that company. They feel like a family nowadays, way more than any other agency I've seen. Especially since Matara joined and became a mother figure.

[@lucasLSD]

Henya became the glue that united everyone, her shenanigans with Zen became a meme in of itself

[@tobiasrietveld3819]

Vshojo's freedom for their talents and small size makes it all the more important for them to be recruit talents that they are already familiar with.

[@MaecG_]

I fell into the vtubing world just recently (about 2 month) first with ironmouse, then with few other vshojo members, a bunch of indies and Henya as my oshi. This drama is so new to me cause they are all so cool with each other now, like I came here just at the right moment lol.

[@redfinale]

Sometimes, that nepotism works out in our favor. Haruka is someone that would constantly do stuff with VShojo (Primarily Zentreya, but still). It got to the point that I'm sure a lot of people commented or joked that she was essentially an "unofficial" member of the group by that point. Then, one day, the big announcement that she's joining them officially and everybody was thrilled. As for VShojo's general culture, the other big thing is that they've got a track record for not only being a "retirement home" of sorts, but legitimate financial salvation for a couple of its members. Kuro was talking to Mouse one day about his finance issues and she got him in contact with Gunrun. Kuro was impressed by the effort taken to help him that rather than stay independent, he opted to join VShojo. A fact by the way, that also show's they're more than willing to be more than just their name implies by also allowing men to join. If I recall, it was Michi that was in a similar boat due to Niji screwing her over big and VShojo helped bail her out too. Any group can say they're better, but it's actions like that that often prove you're better.

[@janogx]

I mean, Mint is now on the Haruka position, where she's basically the unofficial member but it's looking that she will end up signing eventually if she continues streaming as hard as she's doing.

[@command_unit7792]

The Vshojo Auditions lead to the whole Nux drama...Police adviced Vshojo to stop the Auditions

[@theguyfromtsukihime3898]

Wait what when did the police getting involved happen

[@command_unit7792]

@@theguyfromtsukihime3898 TLDR a herstment group targeting Vshojo(reportedly they desecrated Vshojo family member's graves among other things) Targeted indie Vtubers that wanted to join vshojo by making a fake site for the auditions(This was leaked to Nux by the herstment group itself) and Nux decided to make the whole thing a public scandle,The police meanwhile advised Vshojo to stop the auditions and not to make it public to allow the police to do their job...Nux didn't understand corporate speak from Vshojo and published his video on the matter anyway(mostly a miscommunication on Nux part and Vshojo being limited in what they could say to Nux)...The Vshojo girls that were under heavy stress because of the herstment group basically lashed out publicly on Nux and that is how the whole Nux situation unfolded.

[@theguyfromtsukihime3898]

@@command_unit7792 ok thanks for this I didn't know the police involvement part of the story until today

[@daegograndynte2771]

​@@theguyfromtsukihime3898the police situation is the things that make it go crazy. A lot of them are still young during that time and they still new for these kind of situation. Things like doxxing also still nee during that time unlike today. What we can say about the whole situation is that, it was a good enough experience for the whole industry.

[@Ballade90]

@@command_unit7792 I'm calling bull unless you got a statement, they may have stopped THAT round of auditions but that's all they could do.

[@KDannXII]

Freedom generally means worse PR. But after all the kurosanji stuff, restrictive corpo PR seems pretty non existent.

[@andrehashimoto8056]

Freedom PR is misinformed. More like Unorganized or Poorly Managed slash Mismanaged PR. You can HAVE a lot of Freedom for the talents and still hold good PR, because you both INVEST in adequate PR education for those Talents so they are better prepared on how they do for Public perception, as well as work to build and maintain an Image. Restrictive PR is basically what leads of NijiKusos, Whacktors and V4U (or whichever V something of a South Korean shitcorpo tried to F Alien Mixture during her time as corporate). Trying to be controlling to an excess is a problem. Not providing appropriate PR teams and training to Public Entertainers running UNDER YOUR COMPANY'S FLAG is also bad. Do not Mistake BAD AND POORLY MANAGED PR with FREEDOM PR.

[@mistereiswolf70]

Vshojo's status as helpful retirement home helped them so much more when so many other vtubers had to go trough so much shit. When (not if) Niji fucks up again Vshojo can help even if the talent does not join VShojo but that helpfulness is just the VShojo vibe and I hope that stays so for as long as possible.

[@cpl_elemena]

I don't have an issue with their model of being an exclusive club, but, I did have an issue with them giving people the impression that they could join like a traditional agency. If they made that clear from the start then it would have lessened the hate against them to some degree

[@guilguis4820]

All agencies are exclusive clubs. People could join like a traditional agency, that's exactly what Haruka did. They tried the audition method and realized it's not a good fit for them so they never did it again. There was no need to make anything clear as people actually did have a shot of getting in. I saw loads of small vtubers who never had contact with any member progressing in the auditions.

[@Ninefinger11]

Love these kinds of videos DN. Thank you for the hard work!

[@Lunk42]

Nyanners and veibae leaving was a huge improvement for Vshojo.

[@CarlFox]

Veibae never seemed to be a good fit for the group; she's better as a solo act in my opinion. Nyanners, on the other hand...I get it, the "Internet never forgets", yadda yadda, but to me her arc strikes me as outgrowing 4Chan and trying to find her own way. Did she handle certain aspects of that well? Not really. Does she deserve the continuous abuse from the 4Chan trolls? No, she doesn't.

[@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773]

​@@CarlFoxtrue but Vae ans Nyanners would do the exact same thing to a conservative leaning vtuber. The fact that those two and including Froot chose to bow to a crazy part of Twitter instead of defending their friend speaks quite loudly. Same with ironmouse who took almost a year to get Silver to talk to her again Silvervale is no longer on speaking terms with Vae, Nyanners and Froot. When all 4 of them were close.

[@Ballade90]

​@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773a lot of that is total crap, and provably false: Silver just got done playing wuthering waves with nyan and vei like 2 weeks ago, and iirc is even spending some time with them irl this week. She also doesn't talk much about who she talks with so for all you know she's made up with froot if she ever held any animosity towards her.

[@dave3429]

@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773you are completely lying.

[@Velenoxis]

@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 Making all that shit up, you got a lot of free time huh?

[@pokiefeg]

Love me my VShojo, still consider myself very new to the vtubing ambit and looking back i think starting with any other group or agency would have made me drop it. Hololive would overwhelm me, Nijisanji would have dissapointed me, Minor agencies would have been not for me. But here i found easy to follow members, a great community to support and be a part of, a little test of every part from both vtubing and normal streaming areas and just the most fun i've had while delving into any other media.

[@MaecG_]

That's exactly me, Vshojo + a bunch of indies + traditional streamers, I couldn't be more satisfied. In addition, Vshojo members collab almost everyday also with normal streamers and I like this mix so much.

[@StrainXv]

Vshojo has been saving some of my favorite Vtubers, so they have definitely redeemed themselves.

[@Kasuto322]

Vshojo is an anomaly amongst the other more traditional agencies. They broke the mold for what people thought Vtuber agency should be like. They’ve stumbled, but they’ve gotten back up. Frankly they’re a breath of fresh air

[@MiniflickATC]

So are you just gonna ignore geega joining

[@ledieumort]

I'm gonna put it simple, they improve a lot since they get rid of the bad apples and got really good people since Henya till now (except for Kuro, but that just me)

[@bashamd96]

From Vshitshow to a respectable number 2 since the Niji dumpster fire

[@MasakanSolaris]

Funny how they started to recover after nyanners and veibae left.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

​@@MasakanSolaris Funny, but not a coincidence. Also don't forget Silvervale.

[@MasakanSolaris]

@@DinnerForkTongue silver was never a real problem

[@hexelnov7D9]

​@@DinnerForkTongueis silvervale bad? Except for Hogwarts legacy incident she is good, right?

[@Bam_Bizzler]

I know nyanners has her problems but what was up with vaebei? I don't know anything about her really other then her an silver are buddies

[@cpttankerjoe]

There is one thing you were consistently getting wrong in the video. Mint is not Vshojo. She had already expressed how she is not going to join Vshojo either

[@roseignis3255]

He said supporting Mint, and even I forget she's an indie with basically all the support of VShojo but without the contract. She may not be a contractual member, but she certainly lacks the separation from them which you would get from most indies. I like to think of her as the VShojo DLC

[@jasoncarto]

@@roseignis3255an Invader?

[@Direwolf1618]

My money is that she will join once her non compete ends and she figures out what she wants to do. There comes a point she either needs to hire staff or join an agency, to help the backend stuff and merch. Seems like Gunrun has been going way above and beyond.

[@Pfish1000]

​@@Direwolf1618if she does join I hope she doesn't follow every other member (besides kson when she's doing her own thing) and only stream on Twitch. Confuses the hell out of me that all the new members gave up a huge chunk of their former audience by being twitch exclusive.

[@cylesteasunrise3199]

​@Direwolf1618 ot already has. Non competes are illegal now and any In effect were ended.

[@SleepingPanda700]

In the end, who gives a fk who they are, I just watch who I watch. Doesn't matter what agency they are in. Follow the Talent, not the company

[@Frostdale]

Really like your ending statement, YEAAAHH, Steal the unhappy talents!

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

VShojo's best and worst trait are one and the same. Not interfering a lot with their talents.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

And it pained them significantly until they learned to (mostly) self-police.

[@burnttoast.2017]

​@@DinnerForkTongueOr it was those specific people with hot takes and drama that left. I mean I remember Veibae claiming Shylily was "less" than her.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@burnttoast.2017 I included that in the logic of the talent body learning to self-police. I know, I wasn't clear about it, mb.

[@akira8393]

Exactly but you're not allowed to say shit because people are gonna call you a troll​@@DinnerForkTongue

[@atomyx0875]

@@burnttoast.2017 Maybe, though Veibae and Shylily later got along just fine. There isnt one of the old guard, not even even the ones still in vshojo, that didnt have hot takes or drama from around that period. The good part is that they have grown alot professionally since then.

[@NinaMarieNPianoKeys]

Geega was an honorary Vshojo member for so long that she officially became one herself. Even though I don't watch her streams

[@bruchett4799]

I would say getting Kson and THEN Henya is what changed vhshojo. Kson kinda pushed for vshojo to do better by calling them out on negotiating terms. She was not mad, but politely telling them that if they didn't meet her expectations she would just leave and look for a better company. Henya has always been excited to stream most days and is always positive. Newer members have set their schedules because they are used to work for another company. I prefer them since streaming whenever you feel always makes me lose interest.

[@Shione_Starlight]

Tbh I think someone in the org understood what happened when the three left and have collabed a lot more than previously. They feel like they interact a lot more now. They pop up in each others chats, gift eachother subs and collab either as a group or in pairs. All except maybe Kson and hime both don’t collab often but do from time to time. Kson kinda does her own thing most of the time and I think that works for her. Vshojo as a group has also done more projects either at conventions/meet and greets, Nikke Collab etc. As for what kind of group are they? As Michi said it seems like they are a group of indies that have a lot of help. Most members as of now seem to have some sort of tie to the other orgs either through Kson,Mouse or any of the ex Niji livers etc. so it’s possible I think for them to snag people from other orgs provided they want to come over.

[@themaidguy0988]

When Vshojo 1st popped up, i never really cared for them, not to say i hated but just didnt really focus on them till the whole Nox/Nyanners situation and still felt a little indifferent. But with Nina/mata and Mika/michi i swore to follow them if they ever came back so ya. Im a simple man, if they're happy with vshojo then ill be happy with vshojo. Nothing more, nothing less

[@fanastril]

The few haters are outspoken, while the many more who like the talents chat in their stream.

[@Gameboy0001]

I don't know much about Fruit, but the simple answer is VShojo got lucky and had its three most cancerous members cut themselves off from the company to explore other areas and they were able to fill the slots with vastly more wholesome and cheerful talent. It felt like it was almost overnight that things started feeling better once the three left, regardless of if you're a fan of those three or not.

[@pixel_pixie]

I was a fan of Silvervale for a while and I have to say I am so glad she left VShojo. I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt for a while, but watching her paint herself as a victim while remaining completely silent as people adopted her as a hate symbol showed me exactly what kind of person she really is. The way she treated Mouse on the way out only confirmed it. While the wonderful new talent has been the biggest driving force behind how much better VShojo has gotten, those three leaving is a very close second.

[@Gameboy0001]

@@pixel_pixie Yep, the way she talked about Mouse alone is enough to want nothing to do with Vale.

[@christianeugenio818]

1:46 why is mint in there honory vshojo member? haha

[@thoughtfulpug1333]

I think the Selen/Doki situation and other Eastern agency debacles has made VShojo's hiring of pre-established talent seem more significant. In the case of Doki/Selen, she got big during her time with Niji, which gives management the delusional belief that they are the dealmakers, that they know whats best, and that the person behind the talent is inconsequencial. However, with Vshojo, because people like Melody & Ironmouse & Kson were already big before they joined, they can't justify such a viewpoint. This results in a much less toxic, more talent friendly environment. The company is doing everything it can do to support its talent and give them all the leeway in the world. So no matter what your view of the individuals in Vshojo are, or how it's "elitist" for only bringing on pre-established talents or friends of talents or former talents from bigger agencies given a second life, rather than fostering their own: remember just how other corpos treat said talents.

[@sonofsueraf]

I'm not sure if ironmouse is big before she joined vshojo. I saw her numbers then and they were like 3 digits.

[@NuDimon]

@@sonofsueraf Afaik KZbin is larger in general so triple digits was "large" for VTubing on Twitch at the time. Imho it's still somewhat respectable numbers for the smaller creators to be over or even around the midpart point of triple digits on the platform. Heck even on YT for live streams it's also sorta respectable to pull triple digit concurrent viewers. But back to Ironmouse and VShojo, if she hadn't popped off on her Subathon it might've been a different story how well this whole thing went imho. Also when I first found her she wasn't really a triple digit streamer yet either. Watching her get to four digits over time was a bit of a ride. Though I did watch more Hololive than twitch at the point where VShojo was formed.

[@sonofsueraf]

@@NuDimon I'm talking about her twitch numbers when she debuted in vshojo. Point is, they were small in twitch.

[@kilato9649]

Ive been watch the Vshojo girls since before Vshojo was a thing and im happy to see them improve

[@Tebrial]

I think one aspect that didn't get talked about was how the new talents are able to restrain themselves. As you said, a lot of the criticism towards vshojo happened because of the lack of safeguards the company has towards talent freedom. Meaning there was a lot of controversy due to individual talents actions and words. I think a lot of the reason why the company's "vibes" have shifted it because the new talents know how to toe the line between creativity and chaos. All the previous niji members that have joined seem to have an almost muscle memory like restraint when it comes to their words and actions. I think them learning to loosen it while still keeping controversy down is a good thing. Granted, its not like they were seiso or anything. Michi alone has thirst that should be studied lol.

[@MaecG_]

Michi is the most self taught professional I've seen so far lol.

[@nokazifqz9323]

vshojo and AKA virtual is bring some light to vtubing scene. a different perspective but maybe a good one. a counter balance and i like it

[@TheGeorgeIsaac]

Good video just some things gotta say Pikamee was not an Indie she was part and first member of Voms project, Mint Maid isn't part of Vshojo, Geega on the other hand is. Also they don't own the member's model since all of them were already Vtubers before joining Vshojo. Iron Mouse and Zentreya have been streaming around 7 years now as Vtubers. (since 2017)

[@sonofsueraf]

Just wanna say this is the content I've been expecting from you.👍keep it up.

[@Toucanbird]

While VShojo received a lot of hate in its infancy, there are three things that really stuck out to me in their metamorphosis to what they are today… 1. Learned from the NuxTaku incident - I was extremely critical of how GunRun and some of VShojo’s talent handled that and a big part of it stemmed from GunRun’s lack of productive conversation between Nux and the VShojo talent. It felt like there were a lot of VShojo talent that were “in the dark” on what Nux was working on and really GunRun should’ve been more open with them about it. 2. Got rid of some of the cancers - I’ll be very blunt…I didn’t particularly care for Nyanners, Veibae and Silvervale (which is ironic that I am a MASSIVE fan of Nyanners bf Aethelstan). I actually miss when IronMouse, Nyanners, Aethel and CDawgVA (Connor) used to collab because those four together were hilarious. Getting back on-topic, I didn’t particularly like the “vibe” of these three. I don’t know if it’s just a feel that they were a high school clique, but they didn’t feel as easily relatable as the likes of mouse, Zentreya, Haruka or even Melody to some extent. 3. Signed some absolute game changers - While Kson was a very good pickup for the company, adding Henya and Matara were about the equivalent of hitting the game-tying and walk-off home runs in the bottom of the ninth. Both of them bring such a positive energy to the company that I think people are seeing VShojo in a different light. The ironic thing I get a laugh about that Twitter post of “I hope your favorite talent joins VShojo.” Well guess what…some of those talent did and now everyone LOVES VShojo considering it’s one of the few agencies out there that doesn’t rule their talent with an iron fist. That tweet really aged like milk.

[@Animebryan2]

Not sure if you knew this but Nyanners was originally on 4chan & threw her entire fanbase under the bus, calling them all lolicons/pedos when she herself uses a loli avatar & she is known for being a drama queen mean girl behind the scenes. Melody was one of the worst from the Nux incident as he helped her with dealing with her exploitative model artist when he tried to extort more money from her because he sold her the model not knowing how big & popular she would get & tried to charge her for retroactive royalties, but then she spewed the most hateful slander at him, calling him a clout chaser just for trying to warn other potential victims when the agency failed to do so for half a year. She never once publicly apologized to him & refuses to do so. I lost whatever respect I had for her after that. Ironmouse was also in on dogpiling on him & couldn't even bring herself to write a proper apology to him for it. Even Snuffy, who wasn't even a member of VShojo, also dogpiled on him & regurgitated a bunch of old BS about him just to spite him! The only 2 to apologize to him publicly were Zentreya & Froot, but Froot's a cheating whore anyway so she's still not a good person either.

[@aidreinhorn1534]

Some of the girls did know what nux was working on. Melody knew the whole time about the situation with nux and was there when they told him (after reviewing his video) that he could upload it Just to attack him anyway And then never give an apology.

[@YaMuthasOnion]

Spot on analysis, DN. I'd say that VSHOJO isn't an agency, but rather they're more like n All-Star team. Imho

[@Pfish1000]

They're a streamer org. They basically looked at the content creator side of esports orgs like 100thieves and said what if we just did that. Pretty winning strategy considering unless you are counting VC investment the streamer side is the only part that makes money.

[@YaMuthasOnion]

@@Pfish1000 You're right. I didn't see that perspective initially, but yeah. That's definitely a more accurate analogy/comparison 👍

[@akira8393]

When i say it, I'm a troll but DN says it, it's a spot on analysis? Fuck off

[@WilliamAmbervein]

Vshojo went from trying to be a vtuber agency to a privately owned talent agency.

[@AnimeSquirrel]

After Vaebae and Nyanners left, the quality of Vshojo skyrocketed.

[@mynamejeef7166]

Only frrot and kson left of those that really should be gone

[@Jebsucks]

​@@mynamejeef7166 >Lumping the girl who said "taiwan" once in with a serial cheater and scammer Bro come on

[@ZaleZale-u4z]

Whats wrong with kson?​@@mynamejeef7166

[@haikjeft2767]

Why Kson? Isn’t she rather well liked?

[@mynamejeef7166]

@@haikjeft2767 just because people like her doesnt mean you or me should aswell it also doesnt excuse her from any faults

[@KairiCaitlyn]

VTuber things ~ one thing u mentioned was the demographic of normal streamers vs vtubers. [then VTubers being different]. It's definitely interesting cause of various factors but I can give some random perspective for people {there's a lesson at the end of this long ramble incoming}, most vtubers are casual-chill style gameplay/vibes, for myself, I aimed for a pro level competitive VTuber and looking back it definitely wasn't the move [or at least it was poorly executed cuz I didn't dial in on VTuber culture aspects and embrace that aspect of the community a bit more], I was Rank#1 Global in a game named Spellbreak, then hit top ranks in various 3rd person shooters [Top300 Fortnite Zerobuild, then top ranks in smaller BRs]. I thought I would become known over time but I was not doing the proper things to actually be a big streamer. I was hoping my skill and personality would get noticed by a big Agency one day and have a chance to become one of the 1st Pro VTubers and applied a few times to Hololive, Niji, Vshojo but unfortunately never got a response. (Now looking back, I was naive and honestly joining an agency or gaming/esport team is something that would be very nice but not a direct goal anymore) Realistically I was/still am small [well I'm currently gaining huge traction thanks to becoming a Marvel Rivals creator, i had 100s of people watching me a few weeks ago for the closed alpha, but what allowed this success was I DIALED IN ON Fun VTuber Vibe.] When i blew up in a different game, MHUR, I went for top lvl skill content creator vibe with some memes and it made things too serious / too much of a joke to serious players, but it was scratching the surface of what I should actually be doing. I went into Marvel Rivals as like VTuber that was a retired pro vibe there for the fun of the game, our community & hype and it popped me off in a way I didn't expect. Now I'm in the calm before the next storm with the closed beta & going to continue to be more adaptive [and eventually move on from just having a main game niche but 1 step at a time] Realistically majority of the people watching a VTuber are not there for the gameplay, you can be one of the best in the world or better then every1 but still not be as large of a creator as a normal streamer, (people are watching you [vtuber] cuz ur cool!) so keep this in mind for competitive style games. Lesson here is being successful in VTubing there are things that are "meta" but there are things you can do to be different and hit where you want to hit. You can have a niche and make adjustments while looking to expand past it. Sometimes doing so you have to dial in on certain factors.

[@dreelkoodus]

Glad you're finding success in VTubing 😁 I agree that showing off your personality is just as important as showing off your skills when it comes to VTubing. Obviously, playing competitively requires a lot of concentration and practice which can sometimes come off as boring to new viewers, but mixing ranked with some chill and casual gameplay helps people and VTuber fans relate to you more

[@KeirnothVT]

This is where Phase Connect is succeeding. They aim at a different niche/audience.

[@WeaKeDBZH]

Vshojo are the only one with an amazing Dragon/toaster so they win yes i'm not objective

[@dapperdan4179]

Very good video rabbit man, I think all the new hires to Vshojo did the company very good, I am very happy with how they have been handled going from Niji to Vshojo, especially Michi.

[@x._3347]

They got way better

[@ericbaek3706]

The thing about vshojo is that if the talents have their own model, artist, editor, etc. They get to keep them.

[@TheSignPainter500]

Damn Nazuna really had no impact to affect any of this..

[@Renzu-ZG_The_Chattino_Sailor]

She does. On a different direction though.

[@KingOfNebbishes]

Nazuna needed a hand up. It's been said Kson demanded they get her as well as a requirement for joining. It's a shame she got in that fight with Delutaya. The husband stuff was always going to go bad the minute MafuMafu decided to use JP Keemstar to help throw her under the bus to save his career.

[@timurdos]

@@KingOfNebbishes kson literally said she had nothing to do with nazuna joining, she didn't even know it was in the talks. what ass did you pull that info from?

[@KingOfNebbishes]

@timurdos I didn't present it as fact, which is why I opened that statement with "It's been said." Maybe spend a few less points on random hostility and a few more on reading instead.

[@RZ-yk2se]

@@KingOfNebbishesits not really random when hes just calling you out for misinformation

[@CainEverest]

And let's not forget the collabs with well-known streamers like Bricky and Heavenly have *definititely* helped in this regard. I used to give VShojo a LOT of shit (for good reason, mind you), but now I can proudly say that I'm proud of VShojo as of now

[@NeuronActivation]

Vshojo has definitely gotten way better over the years. Sure they've had their setbacks and set of questionable moments. But now, they've become a place to give past vtubers another chance at life, and it worked.

[@brandonhowell5096]

the only problem I have currently is that they've for lack of a better word become stagnant nothing really new/exciting seems to happen there anymore, its one of the reason I think Mata decided to start her podcast series with Mint (Who I'm gonna say now will 100% join vshojo in the future)

[@akira8393]

A retirement home

[@SpiderLantern]

​@@akira8393More like a rescue center

[@akira8393]

@@SpiderLantern i think a retirement home is more fitting. After you fought for your country, you finally rest in a retirement home as a jaded old talent who is only known for during their prime.

[@SpiderLantern]

@@akira8393 That may be your perspective. In my opinion a retirement home doesn't work because it implies the talents' careers are over when that is just not the case.

[@The_DGO]

VShojo has always been closer to a collection of indie vtubers than a standard agency.

[@Papa-Corn]

V4Mirai is the most underrated EN company currently imo.

[@NinaMarieNPianoKeys]

Phase Connect too, but its aimed at a different crowd

[@SliceyMcBreadmaker]

Honestly, "i hope your Oshi joins VShojo"? _mine did._ and She's so much better off for it.

[@Pandora2Pan]

Embrace the MADARA~

[@StriderHoang]

This was something that I unconsciously felt over time. Like the frog sitting in a kettle that is slowly boiled or Marge Simpson realizing Fox gradually became hardcore pornography. Back when Vshoujo debuted with its initial roster I felt indifferent at best and would actively ignore them at worst. I didn't really vibe well with the initial roster. Henya really was the turning point when 3 members left at once, it felt like a shot in the arm of traditional vtubing from Japan for the predominantly western style vtuber agency. Personally though, I'm a big fan of Matara and she seems very keen on trying different things on her KZbin channel that go past livestreaming on twitch and posting vods on KZbin. I think the wider view of Vshoujo is transforming much like how Matara is dragging Bricky kicking and screaming into the vtuber side of content creation for collabs. For context, Bricky's channel can be described for its long-form video essays but within his interests of things like shooters and 40k, he is vocal about his aversion to anime. So for Matara, someone by definition anime, works so well with him, I think that says alot.

[@Zijkrial]

Being able to keep your IP even if you leave Vshojo is so incredibly huge...to the point where I will randomly ponder how the members from other agencies are ok with completely losing themself once their time at the company is up. Really happy for Henya for having found Vshojo, and I'm also glad it has worked out for them to have her.

[@ElliotKeaton]

_"to the point where I will randomly ponder how the members from other agencies are ok with completely losing themself once their time at the company is up."_ They're not. As Kson said, losing that is traumatizing and inherently exploitative and any VTuber who willingly walks away from everything they built should be seen as a massive red flag about the company they left.

[@Zijkrial]

@@ElliotKeaton In that sense, absolutely. My pondering mostly comes from the fact that they sign a contract knowing it will happen, and ultimately nothing lasts forever.

[@coolet9132]

This kind of company makes me happy and I don't blame them for only taking in people that their people know. Even if it makes your company smaller in the short run, it also secures for most part that you mostly get people that aren't a detriment to the company and creates a more healthy atmosphere with people knowing each other which helps prevent cases of isolation for newly recruited members. This is how new standards in an industry is set, starting small until it explodes and changes the status quo.

[@lucas_leoheart]

9:37 yet according to vtuber wiki, mint is still an indie. but i guess the "help/assist" part is partially true since matara carried the expenses to have mint's model re-rigged for her to use

[@CarlFox]

A lot of fans think Mint is on a 'trial run' to see if she'd like to go with VShojo full time; we'll likely find out her final decision once the podcast winds down. It's actually not a bad concept, sort of like working in a temp position before coming on permanently.

[@MunkkyNotTrukk]

@@CarlFox I wouldn't be surprised if Mint eventually does join VShojo, she already has her foot in the door somewhat with how close she is to Matara, plus Haruka, Geega and Kson would collab with the VShojo members all the time before they officially joined. I'm not saying she needs to join them or anything, but it would make a lot of sense.

[@ShotRage]

@@CarlFox I've had my suspicions of that since day one. It's only increased since Mint was the only non-VShojo in the walk around @off-kai. Ultimately, its not my place to say what she should do and I'll support Mint regardless but I'll still speculate for fun. That being said, right now my money is on Mint & Sayu getting announced at the same time because 1)they all met at off-kai 2)Sayu already expressed interest and the roadblock stopping her has seemingly cleared 3)best timeline

[@Otoshi_Gami]

@@ShotRage same here and theres too many evidence for mint to be part of Vshojo. people sure love to dismiss it as "Mint is just going to HOLOLIVE for her IDOL Dream, Collabing with Vshojo is just Temperament, nothing meaningful". i was like Bruh, if she was Joining Hololive, she would've just Reach out to Kiara and Fuwamoco more and distant herself from Vshojo but she didnt. right now mint made more BONDS with Mata and Vshojo than ever before that even She turned more Degenerate thanks to Henya. even Sayu and doki who both got terminated are friends with mint so its almost impossible for Mint to get rid of her Model for the sake of joining HOLOLIVE. i dont know why people assumed that she joining Hololive with very Little Evidence of her joining hololive.

[@Apropoetic]

One thing about VShojo is that I personally have heard nothing but good things about Gunrun. People have talked about how he goes out of his way to help them and in some cases even when they aren't part of the agency. I believe Kuro even said Gunrun offered to help him figure out his tax problems even before he joined. Also, Michi said she was just going to sign the contact but VShojo refused until she had a lawyer look over it when they could have easily been predatory about it. Michi and Kuro have also both said the company offered to pay for mental health care, speech therapy and other things. I may not have been around during the period of drama but they seem to be a good model to follow now with how they support their talent. And as far as people being outraged by toilet humor and sex jokes this might sound weird to say but... grow up. It's not that big of deal and if you don't like it just don't watch but there's no reason to send them hate over it. It's not limited to VShojo and that kind of humor is extremely common especially on the internet.

[@8lacKhawKtheRIPPER]

Just calling it vibes is a bit discrediting towards the members - Geega did a lot behind the scenes to get the members to properly interact with each other and communicate more openly while Zen & Mouse tried their hardest to make new members feel welcome and have them fit in. VShoujo acting as a normal western talent agency instead of a VTuber agency can only assist the members existing drive to make their group work and the overall change in culture definitely came from within. Also, I feel like the new members' speaking out for the management and everything they do changed peoples' perception from "the talents don't need VShoujo" - a sentiment that was stated in a previous video too - to a more positive opinion now.

[@hunterhenryk]

They took out the old and brought in the family-friendly dayo. Thanks for the vid, Nathaniel.

[@lmko]

Need to thank Niji and other black companies. There are very good examples for others what can happen, if you forget what you are doing. At least if company can study from mistakes of others.

[@valeriemcdonald440]

As someone who watches some Vshojo talents but has never been into the JP vtuber idol model, this whole take is interesting but so strange to me. Like the view that hiring people who are established is nepotism. To me that's the opposite of nepotism, they built themselves up before joining. Anyway, it seems like VShojo has benefitted from the audience getting to know their style and changing their expectations, more than anything else. Also, there is no mention of Zen in this video but I feel like Zen has become happier and really contributed to welcoming the new talents.

[@fatcoyote2]

VShojo fan from day one. Actually, since before, since I followed all of the original members except Froot (who I did not know) since before VShojo existed. I don't like the "retirement service" label, since that implies that all of the talents who jump to VShojo from other places will end their careers there, but if they leave, they can and probably will continue said careers.

[@guilguis4820]

Indeed. Their careers in fact get way bigger. With Henya, Michi, Geega, Haruka and Matara more than doubling their viewership.

[@Skywolfhd20]

obligatory "where's the money froot"

[@XxInfinityxXTimer]

Vshojo is basically the old 2011 machinima is like a KZbin partner but with manager helping you out like setting up a collab with other creator and promoting you while you just focus on entertainment creativity

[@willowravencroft]

I love the new era of Vshoujo!! I'm happy that Matara and Michi has a new vtubing home.. while henya and mint get all the help they need.. I just wish K9 stop raining on this happy party with all his vague posting and controversies!! guess the he's still a luxiem boy 😒

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Once Luxiem, always Luxiem, I suppose. Maybe Shu should've graduated back then instead of him.

[@Killoer]

9:44 That caught me off guard xD

[@KyogresHideout_Vegito2121]

One of the best redemption arcs in the VTubing community. VShojo came a long way since the "Nux Arc" which feels like an eternity ago now.

[@1-upanimations878]

Vshojo is like what Super Smash Bros. is for Video Games, but for VTubers. They inherently invite already established characters and allow for them to interact with each other. They have unexpected/hype “DLC characters” and that’ll make you become interested in who they’ll invite next. Literally Super Smash Bros.

[@aidreinhorn1534]

After the whole situation with nux I kinda looked at all of Vshojo with distain. I’m glad there are new talents now (like henya) that seem like genuinely good people.

[@velocitasfortis]

VShojo is a traditional talent agency, as opposed to an idol agency. Both are agencies. In this case, VShojo exclusively manages VTubers, so yes, VShojo is a VTuber agency. They just follow the old standard talent agency model, as opposed to the more-recent Japanese idol agency model. In a traditional talent agency, the agency works for the talent. In an idol agency, the talent works for the agency (similar to a modelling agency, because that's basically what they are, and that's where they got their start). Pretty simple.

[@lionheartx-ray4135]

For me Vshojo is a talent agency that happens to have just Vtubers.

[@ElliotKeaton]

That's... literally what they are.

[@Tortuga-sr4uy]

it was created by vtubers for vtubers