The Removal of the DC Penalty - Dead By Daylight

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In this DBD video we discuss the history of the DC penalty and whether or not it should be removed now that replacement bots have been added for survivors who rage quit from a match.
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[@potawatadingdong]

"Survivors will leave at the slightest inconvenience" So pretty much how it currently is.

[@MechanicalX1]

Yeah only difference is you'll see less "kill on hook" and more just insta-DC. Many people STILL kill on hook to avoid DC penalty.

[@1024laf]

Killers are also know to quit when the get angry that they are losing or not getting any kills ; at least when a survivor quits the game still continues but when killer quits the entire game ends ruining it for everyone.

[@bunnythehutt2148]

which is why the devs need to stop being cowards and start properly punishing people or toxic behavior like leaving early and suiciding on first hook.

[@MechanicalX1]

The issue is with the player base; both sides just behave like immature children but then again dbd themselves fostered that audience. How to fix that? Idk but yeah not a good state of affairs for the game. @@1024laf

[@MechanicalX1]

How will they accomplish this? How will they effectively tell the difference between a survivor trying to legit get off hook and one trying to kill on hook? I mean... no shade to dbd but can they even tell the difference between someone dc'ing on purpose and someone's internet going out? @@bunnythehutt2148

[@CAPCOURTEOUS]

The bots are actually better at looping than most players. Its unfair really.

[@SacrificingNothing]

They have wall hacks. I don’t know if there’s anyway for them to act semi competent without them but it’s frustrating. They also know when/where any M2 power is going and dodge everything. It’s so annoying.

[@CAPCOURTEOUS]

Yes! Also they are super efficient on gens and make a beeline exactly to the hatch. Very annoying.

[@GFXCXZ]

Agreed. The bots need a massive nerf. I get wanting to give survivors a chance but it's just annoying. The bot main job is just to distract, aid and take up time. Which a bot that is even below average would do with taking hits and getting hooked. This whole wall hacking pro-team tactics and looping shit built into them is tiring. I don't play DBD to play with bots. If a bot is in the game, I should be able to get it out of it ,fairly quickly if it gets my focus. Key word being focus, it should still be middly competent at best. At least on aiding gen repair speed and perhaps giving a meh chase.

[@ArchDethKreation]

wallhacking =/= good at looping. evidence being once they get a non busted loop via wallhack they dont know what to do

[@HoldenMcRoin69]

Bots arent just better at looping, bots are better at DBD 😂 the only thing a bot will never do is trade on hook so you don’t hit 2nd stage but don’t worry that thought will never cross your dogshit randoms mind either

[@danowen79]

I love your idea of having the leave button display what the penalty is and for it to take 10 seconds to activate. That will definitely make a lot of rage quitters think twice and calm down enough to not go through with it.

[@kleytonlima6900]

This works very well on LOL

[@ike5276]

Nah, they will just die on hook then

[@jessepautz]

​@@ike5276 exactly. It would just show if it's worth or not take the DC penalty or kys on hook

[@renjiaow3742]

They would alternatively Alt + Ctrl + Delete Task Manager then.

[@danowen79]

@@renjiaow3742 Not everyone’s on PC.

[@Benji1922]

Karma/Morality systems in games are great, especially when players in good standing are rewarded frequently like at the end of the week. In some games this reward is a skin, in DBD it can be something as small as a few iridescent shards or BP or whatever. In addition to that, I think a great feature that might help with this situation is a surrender button. It can become available after a few minutes after the start of a match and will require majority of survivors to agree. Killers can just surrender after the timer runs out. Players who surrender lose the match, but everyone gets to keep the bloodpoints they earned.

[@GFXCXZ]

BP become pretty useless after a while. The shards is a great idea but considering how BHVR cup their hands over the DLC, overpriced store system like it's their dick covered in mustard next to a hungry great dane with rabies it will never happen. A surrender button is an awesome idea though. Especially for killers. The fact their current "surrender" is walking up to and opening the gates themselves is dumb.

[@tobisquigles8453]

There have been many situations where I'll be playing a weaker killer and it's like 1 or 2 gens left, I'll lose hope that I'll gain any ground against the survivors and I just go afk in a corner. I honestly wish I could DC at that point.

[@muysli.y1855]

I also like rewarding 1 dc without penalty for bad Internet or game hostage hacker

[@muysli.y1855]

​​@@tobisquigles8453 You can always turn the game in a last minutes. Had also many games against a weaker Killer but we can't finish the last gen and die (deadzone, 3er gen, mistake, mindgame) Trust me the easiest gens are the first 2 but hardest the last and the longer the game go less pallets are their to drop so Bloodlust 3 (+30%) kick way often

[@metalhandboi6681]

What annoys me is that you get a DC Penalty if your game crashes against your will, and you have to then spend 15 minutes doing nothing because of something out of your control.

[@patientzero8130]

Yeah one time behaviors server just shut down and I punished it

[@ParasocialCatgirl]

I once had a crash as I was putting the final survivor on hook lmao

[@SacrificingNothing]

You don’t get a long wait with one accidental disconnect tho. It’s like, 1 minute the first time, 5 min the second and 15 the 3rd disconnect. And it resets every 12 hours so, maybe if you’re having issues causing you to DC 3 times in a 12 hour period you just shouldn’t play until it’s resolved? You can dislike the system but it’s a ladder system that seems overall reasonable to me and you’ve never spent 15 minutes penalized over one crash unless someone in your house was on your account within the previous 11 hours and also crashed or disconnected twice.

[@unregisteredhypercam2142]

Same. My biggest problems with unintentional DCs have way less to do with bad internet and more to do with the game just straight up crashing. I have what would have been a NASA PC in 2022 and I still crashed 6 times in 2 days during the Bone Chill event, racking up a nasty DC penalty that forced me to go play something else. I have NO ISSUES with ANY other game. One of my steam friends has a screenshot showcase with every time they get the Unreal Engine crash report for DbD and I'm about to start doing the same I fear.

[@lonelybananana6356]

one of my friends had an awful crash that made his dc penalty go from 15 mins, straight up to 16 hours because the game bugged

[@Vulpecula-Enfield]

I have received multiple penalties due to bad Internet connection. I hope that BHVR develops a system that can recognize that it wasn't intentional and deal with those who do.

[@MaTtRoSiTy]

That is entirely your fault, sort out your internet connection before you join a multiplayer game and potentially ruin match after match for others. Your penalties are deserved

[@Zomana9]

you're right why didn't he just go to his ISP and fix their internet for them!? gosh this guy is so entitled. @@MaTtRoSiTy

[@muysli.y1855]

​@@MaTtRoSiTy You are right, BHVR or any other Dev can't nothing do if your Internet is bad

[@unregisteredhypercam2142]

​@@MaTtRoSiTy L take. I have no idea where you're from but sometimes it's really out of your control. I'm from the USA, pay for the best internet in my area, and yet there are still those days where my ISP is just being a creature and not cooperating. I've been a victim to the "Surely my internet should be stable by now." only for my DC penalty to continuously get worse until I finally get a text from my ISP saying that actually they were drilling holes into the street 12 blocks away and it might be affecting my area 🤓

[@tbirdflocka898]

@@MaTtRoSiTy This was such a "my parents pay for the internet" take LOL

[@TauonTu]

The real issue is that there is 0 incentive to actually stay in the game when it seems lost. Blood points are as arbitrary as the ranking system, and so is the time penalty they give. Assuming the killer is at least relatively familiar with the game and their mechanics, trying to win against a killer 3v1 at 5 gens is not possible, it isn't supposed to be possible because it wasn't designed to be. Then you have to consider RNG. Map variation in the match can cause nothing but negative emotions. If you're a survivor and you have a dead zone that spans the quarter of the map, well, RNG was unlucky. How do you solve that? Get in a new match. You are playing killer and the survivors have 4 different filler tiles in-between shack and every named structure on the map? Unlucky. If you want survivors to stop giving up so early, there needs to be a way for dead survivors to continue to impact the match. The easiest example I can think of is Rainbow Six Siege. While dead, your teammates can still contribute by using cameras, pinging and giving callouts, so even though they are 'out of the match', they are not rendered useless. Another example is games where you simply respawn. I am not suggesting that there should be a respawn mechanic, but I am using this as an example as to why people do not typically just DC from games where you can respawn, because the game for them isn't over. In DBD, if you die, the game is over, and if your teammates are dead, you are at an unconditional disadvantage. The real crux comes from people just wanting to enjoy the game that they are playing. If they aren't enjoying it and thus are disconnecting, there needs to be a mechanic that allows them to still have an impact even if they can't directly contribute to the game. Not saying I know what that is, but if you can find a way for people to maintain a feeling of control in the match, I am sure they would be less likely to DC so quickly.

[@nnotzae]

problem is the inbred killers who think camping and playing toxic are the problem not the survivors disconnecting. Killers ruin the game for lots of people i mean shit read the reviews of the game

[@jakemoore2005]

what aboutwhen youre "disconnected from host" in the middle of a match despite your internet being fine and then you get a dc penalty despite not rage quitting, fun game

[@Timely-ud4rm]

I have had this happen before and actually, I don't believe you get the dc penalty when the host discounts. I remember happening and thinking crap now im gonna be banned and still wanna play but never got a dc penalty for it.

[@BrightWulph]

I've had this happen to me, where the server had a stroke and booted everyone from the game and none of us got a DC penalty. So the game knows when it's the server that fucked up and not the player being salty.

[@Qunarr]

@@Timely-ud4rm the only time you don’t get a penalty is if the server disconnects everyone from the match

[@thelongstory6395]

@@Timely-ud4rm I got it just this past week. I had two games back to back where one was host DC and one where my game crashed. Both counted against me, so I ended up waiting 5 minutes after the second game.

[@makashika]

Disconnected from host/dedicated server not responding DCs don't give a penalty

[@jasonblundelldobebussing]

When DBD players cut eachother's throats on the matter of DC penalties, we - the TXM players - have to wait for eons to fill up a lobby. Then pray that the victims won't just DC when scheit hits the fan. It's still a pretty fun game, tbh.

[@Grubusss]

The diffrence is in TXM (I assume its Texas Chainsaw Massacre) there are no hooks and if you get hit enough to die it just happens. If victims make mistake death is just way too fast to even consider DC. I played so much (almost 300 hours) and never saw a disconnect other than AFK or already dead victim. In dbd one hook brings you closer to death so people may find it boring to keep playing.

[@yowane_haku]

TCM is dead.

[@Grubusss]

@@yowane_haku "TCM is dead." ☝🤓

[@yowane_haku]

@@Grubusss "umm well acktually The diffrence is in TXM (I assume its Texas Chainsaw Massacre)..." ☝🤓☝🤓☝🤓☝🤓☝🤓☝🤓☝🤓

[@gamerdudepunk]

@@yowane_hakugirl shut the hell up

[@rossalbane7743]

The other day I was the last survivor alive with no realistic way of escaping as the killer closed hatch in my face. Instead of killing me so I could go to my next match they simply stood in front of me while I’m dying on the floor. In order to keep my friends from waiting what am I supposed to do? Disconnect, right? But now we’ve got to wait for a 5 minute time out to go away. TL;DR I’d really like that DC karma system you mentioned

[@BenFoster-cx4em]

he's playing the game. if you don't like it, don't play online games

[@jeelianbb6405]

​@@BenFoster-cx4em leaving someone to bleed out for 5 minutes is not intended gameplay. they could prevent this if they just allowed you to dc as last survivor

[@rpg1497]

@@jeelianbb6405 or they could just make it an auto sacrifice or something, why does it have to be about letting people dc at any chance possible

[@BenFoster-cx4em]

it is. the devs created this option. don't like the game, don't play it. dc-ing. instead of playing. kids these days. @@jeelianbb6405

[@TayDismantled-ix7zo]

@@BenFoster-cx4em Game isn't meant to be played this way. That is why at the end of the match the report button exists to report those that play that way if you wish to report them. Being slugged for an entire match until you bleed out finally isn't fun.

[@kxenyy]

To be honest if they removed the penalty i would dc way more then i should

[@cazzer7409]

Same ere lol

[@dinara_safina]

I love your honesty.

[@batteryacid2649]

Same. But I already do cause of toxic killers. I don't want to play against them and they are not entitled to my time.

[@putinninovacuna8976]

But it's stupid. Suppose I can't do DC anymore because I've already done it five times and they'll give me a 24-hour penalty. What do you think I'll do? 'Oh no, I can't DC anymore, so I'll play my best game and help my teammates?' Fuck no, I'll just let the killer hook me up, and if someone rescue me, I'll throw down all the pallets to screw you over. So remove dc penalty is better at least you have a bot...

[@tenyearsinthejoint1]

Thank you for digging deeper into this issue. I love the idea of extending the button presses for players to rethink if they want to quit but I think a good way to solve this in my opinion is to reward the survivors more in general, Even just more blood points but not too many of course. Just anything to encourage players to be engaged in the game in general

[@dennyebben6698]

What i hate the most is that if u get tunneld out u will instantly de pip. If they would change that, i am more than happy.

[@hiidopovs9871]

I litterally bugged out and got disconnected just to see a 12 minute penalty on my screen

[@necrolicious]

if getting survivors to DC isn't intended, why do I get a quitter bonus as the killer?

[@ParasocialCatgirl]

Probably intended as compensation in case it was a spite disconnect or something

[@rickcharlespersonal]

I am FIRMLY in the "remove the DC penalty" camp. Playing against bots is so much better than a disgruntled player going AFK or self-deleting on the hook and throwing the match for everybody else. Full stop.

[@JCglitchmaster]

The only DC penalty removal that should be in place is if there are 3 or 4 bots in the game. The survivors shouldn't need to wait and pray the killer will actually just let them out the game and the killer shouldn't need to have to play out a PVE match simply because everyone DC'd.

[@RedrumZombies]

The problem is when you crash too, and irl stuff happens. I think it needs to stay, but at a less lengthy amount.

[@Random_Commentor_On_That_Video]

man. when i play cod, if I'm having a bad match and DC i just get replaced by someone else. no penalty either. if my teammates leave, they also get replaced, and no one gives a shit. so overly complicated here.

[@XKIRA376]

Killers have it worse. Forced to participate against bully swfs that refuse to open the gate and just stick through it, having the worse casual experience. I agree in removing the penalty. In a casual game, nobody should have to play a match thats making them miserable, even survs. If i dont wanna play against a blight or chucky dont make me, let ke requeue and enjoy the game. saying play a different game isnt a argument, not all games are miserable

[@middox239]

i personaly dont even think chess merchant is too hard to play against anymore, i just DC out of habit

[@crypt58]

My idea has always been to put a cap on the DC penalty stacks. It's absolutely ludicrous for the penalty to stack up to a day, two days, or more. There is absolutely zero reason for that. The penalty stacking is the main reason why people will always choose throwing on hook over DC'ing. If the penalty had a cap, however (say, 30 minutes to an hour), that might make people more willing to take it and be a little more considerate of their teammates when they decide to leave, rather than throwing on hook and screwing them out of a bot. It would give them enough time to calm down from whatever rage they're feeling, or sort out any internet issues they may have, and also be a little more forgiving for those who have internet or server crashes that are out of their control.

[@dreamyport7757]

There's nothing in the world that will make me want to play a Dull Merchant match. I so think that if there were no DC penalty, the playerbase would start to be less sweaty in fear of the other leaving otherwise. The solution would be to do separate game modes.

[@ataru4646]

All i can say. Im sick of being bled out. I wanna get to my next match.

[@bluebloo9955]

Same honestly if I’m playing killer and I get the last survivor down I’m not waiting-I’m immediately hooking trying to get to my next match like why waste your own time and the survivors time

[@darkwaterentertianme]

No one should be forced to play in a game they dont want to play in.. TBH there are a lot of people on both sides that try to get people to dc and only play the game to get people angry i tthink you should be able to dc and move on if a bot replaces them and everyone gets points it should be fine.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

I liked spectating my bot it was more fun than playing the game

[@Polevolter]

After watching the video, I want to say that your ideas are really well thought out and I hope that they do get implemented. I think that your ideas are the appropriate amount of punishment and reward for such a complex issue, while also fostering improved community positivity.

[@steve_rogers_usmc1990]

Sorry not sorry, not playing a match with an insta DC or hook suicide at the start because there is a sweaty Blight, Nurse, or Skull Merchant. I have had wayyyyyy too many matches where the killer gets pissed and slugs us on the ground for 4 mins humping all of us. I remember a time long ago where a lot of killers (not all) would farm the match so everyone could get some BP's and then hook the remaining three. They still get the win, and the rest don't feel like it was a waste. Today's DBD no shot, it is sweat after sweat all the time no matter what.

[@sevside]

I only leave when I loop the killer for 37 gens and they decide to slug me for 4 minutes

[@SpookySkeletonGang]

The current DC penalty does nothing to stop people from leaving matches, and just makes the lives of legitimate players way worse then it has to be (god forbid someone rings your doorbell or the internet drops for a second). If DBD had a competitive mode then by all means have a DC penalty, but I don't want a DC penalty for casual games. If someone wants to leave I want them to be able to, we can just requeue and it's not a big deal. I don't wanna be in matches with teammates who are miserable or trying to off themselves, just give me the bot and we can all be happy. And to be clear, I also think killers should be able to DC with no penalty, for the same reason. I don't wanna play against a killer who's having a miserable time, they don't wanna play either, let em go and we can all requeue. And I definitely don't think it's entitlement to not want to play a match that's making you miserable. In competitive settings sure, you gotta play or you get punished by rank loss, but in a casual game? Yeah man if you don't wanna play against that bully squad, or you don't wanna play against the slugging nurse, by all means DC.

[@KRONOS115]

Completely agree casual modes should never have a dc penalty

[@Guvato]

Holy fucking unironically based take, 200% agree.

[@XKIRA376]

MOST BASED OPINION. KEEP COOKING

[@ArtemisGamingChannel]

I like the dc penalty. If someone has to wait all day to play DBD, it was probably their fault. When I dc, I only have to wait 5 minutes. Not a big deal. I've played with friends who constantly dced once, and I stopped playing with them because it was for the most ridiculous reasons, and it was getting more and more frequent. Now I do think penalties are annoying if someone is taking your game hostage like a cheater. I do feel bad for big creators. I still don't want to see dc penalty removed regardless. Nothing is ever perfect in this world.

[@casedistorted]

I played before the DC penalty and nothing changed when it came around, just made it so if you’re game crashed (likely due to bad coding by BHVR) or you d/c’d randomly (with no rejoin feature to help, thanks BHVR), you got penalized. Just remove it and be done with the bad idea.

[@MonkiSock]

"give genuine feedback to the devs" - this has been covered by big content creators saying that the devs dont listen and the biggest thing they pay attention to is spreadsheets and stats when a killer gets too high or too low a kill rate they examine it - the stats are the only thing they really pay attention to so i think that is a flawed argument as they are far more likely to pay attention to a high DC rate against a certain killer than "feedback" this has been shown already - killers that get a overly high kill rate due to people giving up on hook which counts as a kill and the devs take notice.

[@RoyAndrewPrice]

The solution is simple and incredibly complex: create game play that is more engaging for everyone.

[@alanbruce480]

I do believe that everyone has invested money in this game in some way. Either you bought the game or you got it first free and purchased your favorite characters. Regardless, people spent money on it. And because of that very fact, you should not be punished for not wanting to play the game. For leaving a match you are not enjoying. Again, this is a game you paid for. Of course, the counter is, “but the other side paid too.” And they are free to leave as well. The notion that someone is punished by not playing a game they paid for is absurd. The idea that this is enforced by both the developers & community is even worse. If you want to leave a match- regardless of what side you play- you should be able to without repercussions or shame. This is a game, not real life. We can and should get as many do overs as we can. It’s a game. A form of escapism. Reason why we all bought it in some way.

[@LinkedToReality]

I think rather than a lockout a DC should subtract BP, it might not seem the worst of punishments but if the amount of BP is ramped up, maybe not reset until the monthly reset, and if it could get your balance to go into the negative it would end up being felt after a bit. It also wouldn't hurt people that complete more games than they DC since they'll have the BP to spare. You could also tack on that for the next match after a dc, no matter how long you wait, you can't benefit from BP offerings or bonuses (like the killer of survivor deficit bonus). Edit: They should also do your suggestion of the 10 second hold button prompt and it would tell you how much your balance will decrease if you do DC. Could also bake in the karma system where you get a bonus to BP (and possibly XP) gain if you play many games in a row with no DCs.

[@issieeagar4330]

but keep in mind that some people actually dont dc on purpose,i live in south africa and play dbd,and your power could go off at any second without warning then you get a penalty for dc even if its something you have no control of,so my question is,is that fair?

[@lycieae8879]

People already leave at the slightest inconveniance or give up on hook. So why shouldn't I be allowed to leave when my whole team left or gave up on first hook?

[@paintedpig3021]

A big reason I tend to dc is when the match is being held hostage, the killer is slugging everyone, or I'm going against a very annoying swf. I'd say the dc timer should reset after a day.

[@Redd21481]

Behavior should make it that if you DC as a survivor then there would still be the time to get back in penalty plus for the next 2 matches as a survivor you will be exposed the entire match. Idk i bet folks will stop with that DC nonsense.

[@rolypoky]

Simple fact of the matter is survivors DC is mainly due to the poor MMR match-making. No one wants to play a match when you are getting stomped from the get go. It is not fun going against players with a significant higher skill level. The MMR pool needs to be narrowed so top tier killers play other top tier survivors, not just average or slightly above average survivors. The MMR pool is too wide.

[@MightyJabroni]

I think, they should get rid of the DC penalty. It seems so counter-intuitive to now at least have bots in the game, but then encouraging killing yourself over just DCing. It always pisses me off, when people give up on hook. They basically express tunnel themselves out of the game, screwing over the entire team. And I always wonder, how often they throw such fits, when they feel the need to actively work around the DC penalty. Because if you just DC once every blue moon, it is the most inconsequential thing in the world. You’d be excused to not even notice the DC penalty existing.

[@agenteiegaming]

I just want a way to reconnect to the game for split second dc issues

[@IShawDowZzv5]

This. I keep getting dced due to bad WiFi and I get banned for nothing I'm going crazy.

[@ViktorBatman]

If they take away the DC penalty, then many will leave only because the game did not go into full domination by one of the sides. Other players will come out after them, I don't know anyone who would be happy to play with / against bots, and without penalties there is no need to play the way you don't like. The only option is to remove the penalty and remove the bot indicator.

[@APopptart]

I kinda feel like they could just turn it off until it's very clear that too many people are DCing and then turn it on again. That's what it's sorta felt like in the past. I think of it as losing privileges.

[@dozzy9984]

Completely agree that there should be something to discourage players to "hook dc". I don't know, even if they can't implement what you suggested, they could do stuff like allow one free unhook try, but you can't just start unhooking yourself immedietly, instead you can try to unhook self in like 30 seconds on it (it would also help with some people who use Deliverance when killer is still nearby). Other idea I suggested them in a poll - just insta dc surv who went into second stage within like 10 second of hooking and replace them with a bot that has that 10-15 second on hook timer. And killers dc as well, sometimes just to spite survivors (like killer sees survivors brought 4 bps so they wait 10 seconds in match and dc, just to waste all those offerings). They could literally replace dcing killer with training Trapper bot that just m1s, kicks and hooks, but for some reason they do not. Also, they can rage quit because chase takes too long or is frustrating - and that's where the hold to dc button would probably help.

[@CharlesFreck]

There just needs to just be a time limit on DC. After 5 minutes, you can DC for free.

[@qu1nted]

If they remove self-unhooks they have to rework up the ante and change the luck mechanic

[@teomcnasty]

Luck could be reworked into what everyone thought it was, better chest items, better killer interaction chance (pig traps, Trapper traps), more/less skillchecks etc.

[@ParasocialCatgirl]

​@@teomcnastynot sure how 'killer interaction chance' would work though (and it probably would be completely irrelevant against everyone except Trapper anyway)

[@tobisquigles8453]

Good, it doesn't do jack how it is so it'd be about time.

[@qu1nted]

agreed but i think it shouldnt affect skill checks@@teomcnasty

[@jonnyhill1155]

Removing self unhooks would he the stupidist idea ever ,alot of killers like to patrol aka camp from a distance,the whole idea of the bar they added is because its clearly unfair to be camped like that and they know its very hard to save someone if a killer commits to patrolling

[@ghostcatboy77]

your 10 sec time to dc is so incredibly great, I think it would help so much!

[@nathangainer6828]

Even worse the bots are WAY better than the typical survivors ive had games where im crushing someone dcs and the bot carries the team back

[@TLtheDude]

I'm split on the issue, on one hand I've played plenty of matches where players disconnected as soon as they were hit/hooked and it always led to the rest of the survivors getting slaughtered, but I've also had things happen right when a match started forcing me to disconnect and getting annoyed at having to wait on the penalty to run its course

[@GameLegacy-Negromante]

every single game should let the player have the choice of quit without a penalty, is the right of every player to choose to not play a match for whatever reason, no one should be obliged to finish a match they don't like, they don't enjoy or becayse something require their attention irl or because they got bugged/an hacker is in the match

[@dimitricandeiracistaro4543]

considering all the pros and cons of the dc penalty, i am in favor of it, dbd is not a game id call stable or designed in a way that its never fair for you to disconnect, maybe if the game was better designed and structured... anyhow, i can see why valorant, league of legends, cs go or other competitive games have a dc penalty, but dbd is simply NOT in the standard these games reach to deserve generic competitive penalties.

[@toxsick_apache1621]

want to fix the problem? give more of an incentive to stay in the game through benefits, not through penalties. also, reducing the likelihood of a DC is smart as well. -allow survivors to see each others perks in pre game lobby. this allows people to coordinate their builds to be stronger in game, reducing DC likelihood. maybe add a quick chat system, or a ping system? idk -increase BP gains according to how long survivors stay in the match. give them bonuses to staying in the match longer, passed 2 mins, or 5, or 10. figure out a formula, then tune it. it will never be 100% perfect but it’s a start. -change MMR to not be so fluid. there are streamers that will derank themselves just to get into baby lobbies so their content looks better. more caps are needed to prevent falling too low, and make the mmr system transparent so people can see how they are ranked up. make this visible so everybody can see, and if a high ranked player gets into a lobby with lower ranked people they’re more likely to leave before the game starts, not during the game. -bring a proper ranked system into the game. do what most youtubers do for rules, 3K is a win for killers, 2K is a draw. this is a party game, it isn’t a perfect system to balance for but that’s as fair as it can get. people care about their ranked, and do seasonal charms pertaining to ranked like R6 or apex. then, tune it until it’s as fair as it can be

[@varcius]

I proposed a happy medium: You are allowed to disconnect 3 times per day, at no penalty. Once you disconnect for the third time, you will be given a warning that the next disconnect will incur a 24-hour ban to matchmaking.

[@yourlocalfestivefurry354]

I actually really like this, sometimes you have shit to do and gotta dc but dont want a 40 minute ban

[@complain9269]

Instantly I thought of trolls who hold streamers hostage. They get held hostage 4 times = no more streaming, OR they have to sit in 1 hour long hostage matches. Edit: And if this were true, I’d use those up, then just die on hook. You’re not gonna stop me from leaving a match I don’t wanna be in.

[@sub7se7en]

​@@complain9269We need a surrender option

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

I think a 24 hour ban is too harsh how about starting at an hour after the 3 free dc and doubling each time after you dc

[@buzzin533]

3 a day is way too many

[@mcnally145]

Dc penalty is good but for 23-40-70 hrs is just taking the absolute piss it’s absurd

[@XaqNautilus]

I remember how bad it was before the DC penalty was introduced. It was awful and we clearly need some sort of DC penalty. What is needed more is a concede mechanic for situations where the killer has slugged everyone or when 2 survivors are left hiding not touching gens. BHVR still keeps wasting their players' time. They still haven't even made a fix for a killer bodyblocking a survivor for the entire match and that is the easiest fix of all.

[@spookypaladin4667]

I'd honestly just play with bots instead of having someone who doesn't want to play be forced to stay in the match and worsen the game for all of us. At least the bot won't point me out if I'm hiding, it will unhook me, it will heal me, it will do gens with me. A spiteful teammate won't do that.

[@BjenTheBlaster]

DC penalty is confusing since sometimes my internet just stops working every now and then or my game just crashes resulting in DC penalities even though I didn't want to leave

[@xoselhket]

People wanted the DC penalty in the past because BHVR were too stupid to make lobbies. You had to invite after EVERY DAMN game, and people were sick of it. That's it. It had nothing to do with anything else!

[@axemanjr1]

People DC in games… thats just the way it is. BHVR is actually right on this one, if someone doesn’t want to play, you cant make them. Also the bots arent half bad so who cares if a teammate Dcs. Do we really need BHVR to babysit us or can we handle it?

[@MrOnePieceRuffy]

The Panalty was annoying, ngl. There were a time where I constantly hitted the 24 hour cap. Then I tried the run to the Killer-Tech, but it turned out, it doesn't works, because they just slug you. Repairing a Gen in their face is the safest way to get out of a match quickly. They think you are still playing the Game. They HAVE to stop you. Everyone profits

[@MrOnePieceRuffy]

I also have to say, a Button would change actually nothing xD If I Rage so hard, that I want to get out of the Game, i just use ALT + F4 and think again about if I really want to restart this Game. The absolutly better Question imho at this Point.

[@Polevolter]

You briefly touched on this particular topic when mentioning Skull Merchant and I have to agree with the notion of DCing against a killer you do not like, not being sufficient feedback. Players who disconnect against the Skull Merchant are like babies that push aside food they don’t like. They don’t communicate what they don’t like, so you don’t know if it’s too hot or cold for them or if they simply don’t like the taste or if they are simply being a child about it. Likewise, what does disconnecting against a killer tell you? Is it specific add-on or perk? Is it just the killer power? Is it the map they’re on? Is it how this specific player used this killer? Did they use the killer in an unintended way? Or is the disconnected player simply being an entitled brat? You don’t get USEFUL feedback from an action with so many vague interpretations. This just creates more work for anyone involved to sift through, so that they can finally find a conclusion instead of players communicating this feedback. ~ That being said, I think a lot of the “feedback” I’ve seen presented about the Skull Merchant ranges from ridiculous (character should be removed) to actually useful (detailed power changes to make her power more fun for both sides). I love Dead by Daylight because there’s something here for everyone but at times, the community thinks that everything should be for them individually.

[@XAri666X]

ain't our fault we dont wanna torture ourselves playing against that thing-

[@westcoast9158]

While I definitely agree that seeing high disconnect rates against a specific killer doesn't tell the devs anything specific, the fact remains that they tend to misinterpret at best or ignore at worst detailed feedback the community gives on problematic killers. People having been saying Knight has next to no fun interactive options in chase since release and have listed tons of ways they could fix this, and next to nothing was done. In contrast, people mass DC'd against SM, and she was reworked. Not saying that it was necessarily because of that, just that due to their track record of ignoring feedback combined with the bottom line that if the majority of your playerbase refuses to play as (and by extension buy) and against your new content, as a buisness you *have* to make a change.

[@XAri666X]

@@westcoast9158 They can't blame us for dcing against comp killers when we want do play casual. Like blight, nurse, spirit, chucky. Like what casual players wants to sweat just to try to win against op killers-

[@thelongstory6395]

Lol, what? DC-ing doesn't communicate anything, but it's not like the middle of the game is supposed to be the appropriate avenue to communicate anything. That's what the numerous reddit threads, BHVR forums, etc are for, lmao. If people are DCing, maybe they can ask why...? It's not like those things are usually mysteries. I just wanna DC when I've been slugged on the ground for no reason or the killer is salty I looped them for 3 gens. My feedback would be, if I'm slugged on the ground, I want an option to manually bleed out, especially if everyone else is also slugged/hooked. That can just DC me automatically, no penalty and leave a bot behind for the killer to hook. This in addition to seeing all the perk loadouts of teammates so I know if they brought Unbreakable.

[@sepronlayden5189]

@@XAri666X Bro life isn't fun or easy even when you play games your gonna have to deal with some bs with them. Yes you shouldn't have to but if you didn't want to deal with that why the hell are you even playing DbD or hell any kind of hyper competitive pvp game? You legit act like a child throwing a temper tantrum for having green on your dinner plate its just childish and stupid at this point and ISN'T going to make the devs fix SM, but you know what I hope the penalties get so bad that you get banned for literal weeks from the game because honestly I see no reason for you to play DbD at all anymore. You're the reason why this game is awful and feels awful to even try to play.

[@madbox204]

You can’t force people to play a game they don’t want to play. Let them dc so we can get a bot that does want to play the match.

[@NewSirenSong]

With the presence of replacement bots, the DC penalty doesnt really need to be around anymore. Take away the punishment, reward people who don't dc. This creates a positive feedback loop instead of a negative one and will eventually cause DCs to decline altogether if the reward is decent enough. People wouldnt DC as often if the servers were halfway decent or if there werent crazy balance problems in both directions

[@Bestboymiles]

5:56 I understand what you’re saying here, and I agree. However when 3 gen merchant/knight was out, I don’t blame people leaving cause they’d extend a 8 minute match into 30-1 hour match. And as certain other killers I could give arguments for too that isn’t just people being a sore loser. (That being said survs do need to calm down alil plz.)

[@Gwenlover8815]

I would say to remove it as someone who has bad WiFi it made have a 24-100 hour dc ban because of WiFi issues

[@Weirdness]

I think people who leaves the game should be punished but those who DC bc of wifi or PC/Console is bad shouldnt be

[@jordankibbee3441]

I mean, survivors can just give up on hook or bleed out in 2 minutes. Killer is more of an issue. As someone who plays solo survivors I run kindred I hate to make it basekit because survivors get enough already but when I don't run kindred even though my team can see someone being chased while there on gens no one comes to help

[@Hunzoyt]

There's bots in the game now, I play both sides, they should remove the DC penalty. I'd rather go against one real player and three bots over 4 real players who are sabotaging each other, refusing to engage in chase, unaliving themselves on hook. And not to mention the connection issues also counting as a player controlled disconnection that needs penalty. So frustrating. They need to remove it.

[@Forbiddensirenz]

I agree with all your points and ideas. But the biggest issue I feel is bad internet connections. I play with a friend whose internet cuts out pretty frequently. Doesn’t matter the game sometimes he just gets kicked off as a whole. Well when it happens multiple times in a row, he’ll end up with hour + bans for literally no fault of his own and were forced to go play something else

[@jay2theMFd]

I love the "party up " idea!! ❤ personally the one time that I think there should be an option to "leave and keep points" is of you've bled out more than halfway. Bot takes over and you keep your points rather than sit there

[@swiiYT_]

Getting a good karma pass is a really good idea- I only DC on Clown and Plague because I'm streaming and the motionsickness from Clown and obvs vomit with Plague is a really big issue- I'll go days without seeing either of them then suddenly get repeat both some nights and need to mute the game or play with my eyes closed till I can die on hook, the team would be better off with a bot but i don't want a 30+min penalty

[@kayleighos]

i think that the instant rage quits for certain killers is ridiculous. but i also think that it’s completely justified sometimes. there are some killers who are just ridiculous with a certain playstyle, and the most ratty builds. it’s not the killers fault, it’s the devs for not thinking about these things that will make playing against some killers miserable. it’s a hard thing to balance

[@paulanthony5801]

Remove DC penalty for the first 2 DC’s and then if you DC for a 3rd time onwards - penalty

[@HddjdjfiejkxididkEkidkffkfif]

megumi: summons mahoraga at the slightest issue dbd players:

[@davidcosta1586]

you are my special :c

[@KiallVunMyeret]

Yeah have to disagree with that dev too. If you want someone to stick to a diet it's a lot easier to do if you put the cookies in a high closet then it is if you leave them open on the table in plain sight. That's like preventative measures 101. The harder you make something the less people will commit

[@testtube173]

The bit about making the user wait 5-10 seconds to rage quit a match with a comment explaining the repercussions is extremely effective. Blizzard had some data about it and said it cut down on impulse rage quits substantially. Did it erase rage quits? no but it absolutely does cut down because people get heated in a fraction of a second they are already out of the match before they process what even happened. The 5 second timer to quit allows them to process their actions and they more often than not decide to continue on.

[@cheekintenders]

Personally, I don't see the point in deciding whether the DC penalty should stay or go, when there still isn't a reliable system in place to identify if someone dced intentionally or not. So many people get booted cuz of network issues and get penalized for it. I think a reliable system that can identify that has to be put in place before anything is decided.

[@Lucien_Lachance_GENS]

Just delete the "koby" mechanic. Thats it. Why is this in the game in the first place? For what? To have a chance to escape when everyone is dying? Wow, a chance to extend the game for the killer for another 1 minute before he hooks you again. It’s annoying when people on the hook try to jump off 1-2 times when I run to them to take them off. Why are they doing that? To jump off the hook and not give me points for saving? Well, now heal yourself. Sometimes I don't even unhook people after such moves. In short, to make DBD more normal, they need to remove "koby" and map oferings. This won't solve all problems, but it will be a good start.

[@DarylMCDeath]

It should never have been implemented! One of the worst Ideas they ever took from that PoS Oh Tofu! They can`t make a Game unfair like this and then make DC Penaltys! Period! 2:05 Yeah what you forgot is that it did cost BHVR also a lot of their playerbase! PS: Meh...forgot you are a similar kind of streamer like Tofu... here 6:00 7 years of BHVR and you DARE to say that? WHAT is wrong with you?!?!?

[@Sushi-Kaiju]

You are punished either way for DCing or not. You are either going to play through an exhausting toxic match (very likely back to back matches of this) or be penalized for the disconnect.

[@FinestFantasyVI]

Its not a guaranteed bad match tho. I've seen people rage quit DC, but the survivors still pull thru and get a 3 man escape.

[@Sushi-Kaiju]

@FinestFantasyVI yeah no absolutely. I should specifiy im talking about matches where one side is simply being sadistic or holding other players hostage. Youll get days where matches are fun, but youll also get days where that is every match for some reason.

[@FinestFantasyVI]

@@Sushi-Kaiju oh thats very true

[@sourmeat7982]

Bots are better than 90% of my teammates. I fully support removing the DC penalty

[@Sadeyr]

DC should always have a penalty, and they should increase and make proper punishment for people giving up. It should not be an argument, DCing and throwing are both problems that should be punished accordingly.

[@unlakufr]

i just dont want to get a penalty for something that is out of my controll like network issues or something like that

[@wesleysmith9593]

If the removal of DC penalty happens, then it has to be removed for killers too. And I don't think ya'll ready for killers dc'ing constantly and sending you back to a 10minute queue every match when they start to lose.

[@seegurke277]

"sometimes players need to dc" this!! I never dc no matter how bad the game goes (I just dont take it seriously anymore) except when I go against a Plague. Its not because I hate the killer, but because I have Emetophobia (phobia of vomiting). The noises and especially the visuals of the survivor throwing up can really make me nauseous and go to a extent of causing a panic attack. I wish they could add the option to turn these animations off somehow, or at least to turn effect sound off.

[@qwert_511]

I think something that would solve issues like dcs and toxic behaviour as a whole would be for the devs to incentivise positive interactions and being a good sport more. My proposal would be for them to Implement extra rewards for players through the props system at the end of the match, something like giving players 15 iridescent shards per positive props from each player in the lobby. This would decrease the amount of time needed to grind for original content, and it benefits everyone. It gives killers a reason to not do things like tunnel and it gives survivors reasons to be team players and be nicer to the killer! At the end of the day it means if you really wanna advance through the game and get everything you need quickly, just don’t be a dick. I think this could partially remedy the dc issue too, what’s the point leaving and gaining nothing when there’s the possibility of sticking around, being a good sport and getting iri shards? Systems like this have been proven to decrease community toxicity in other games so I don’t see why it couldn’t work for dbd. I don’t think I quite articulated this in the best way but I’m curious to know what others think

[@Seoul_Soldier]

A stacking bloodpoint bonus from finishing matches without quitting would be a great incentive to stop quitting. And removing the ability to gain bloodpoints would be a great penalty for repeatedly rage quitting like a baby. The problem is, I don't think this will help. DBD players are a special kind of entitled.

[@Clown_the_Clown]

The DC penalty shouldn't be a thing. No one should be forced to stay in a match they don't want to be in, Killer or Survivor. Not to mention that getting disconnected from the servers is fairly common. I play games to have fun, it's not a job and shouldn't be treated like one.

[@stevenobrien7686]

Any argument against removing it, is a brainless one to me. We already have bots, so why tf do we need a penalty still? So players can be held hostage by toxic killers who want bleed them out, because they’re assholes? Makes literally no sense. I’d rather have a bot teammate than teammates who kill themselves on hook. 100%. We also needs replacement bots for killers too.

[@marcuscaestus3583]

I often disagree with Choy, but this whole vid was a banger with points, counter points and analyses. Nice job one this one, lets hope BHVR listens and also removes SBMM.

[@Mister_Doodles]

I think a lot of what you mentioned here was a really good starting point and tweaks/adjustments can be considered afterwards. Making the props feature actually do something is an idea I and many others have had for a while

[@Mr_Racooner]

i think everyone is allowed to leave and play how they want. If i get twins... instant dc or death. same for knight and you know what i do when i do that? play another match and feel so much better.

[@icore_ESP]

fully agree. The same if I play killer and I get 4 sweatbags. Give them a bot to see if they have fun

[@Emmetlovesredvelvet13]

Here's my view point we have a system made to alleviate dc issues it's not perfect but behavior can't fine tune it without seeing the numbers. Start by partially testing it one week have it on one week have it off. If killer players complain tell them they suck it because we need the data to fine tune. If survivors complain tell them to suck it because were testing and fine tuning the system for their benefit. Anyone who complains that it needs to stay needs to realize that the game is evolving and fixing over time we need to work on the system for it to start improving not just keep taking shots in the dark

[@xoselhket]

creating lobbies for people who do things, like how Rockstar does... would be a good thing. The karma thing we've all mentioned for the past 2 years... BHVR still doesn't care.

[@Metaldragon11]

I quit playing this game a long time ago. I stayed with it before when they had like all the other killers, including Michael Myers. It’s sad to see what the community is doing to tune self and now it’s tearing it innocent game apart game where everyone could have fun so much for that.

[@ninja-8224]

i once had a game i was wraith going against a streamer there 2 friends and 1 random after i hook the streamer i cloaked and when looking around and found a person chased them to the hook and uncloaked downing them the streamer and their 2 friend then proceed to give up on hooks and got mad at the random for trying to unhook them and try to lead me to the random i gave the random the hatch and watched vod they were shit talking the random and me idk if DC penalty would change anything but when a teammate gives up on hook i just feel bad for the survivors

[@chewy827]

The only time I dcd was if I was playing with a killer who was modded. I'm not gonna play a game with cheaters and that's what the dc penilty did, allowed killers to continue to cheat and survivors getting penilized for not wanting to play against them

[@ArchDethKreation]

If dc penalty is removed then I will be dcing every time I'm getting op play styles on op killers with op add ons or I get tunneled or if someone in the team is getting camped/tunneled. Unless the team I'm with is good. So half of games. This coming from someone who never dcs. It is a terrible Idea to remove dc penalty.

[@hcburner]

Although BHVR has improved in their reception of feedback, they have been so notoriously deaf that even the biggest DBD content creator (Otzdarva) completely gave up giving constructive criticism to the devs