The Resurrection accounts are FALSE and the Gospels are NOT to be trusted - Jonathan MS Pearce

[@billguthrie2218]

Yep... my first semester in Bible college I thought.... "What a sloppy mess!"... "This is how God gave and "preserved" his message to man? " I then spent the next 10 years trying to make excuse and defend the mess,... until I finally realized it was all totally man made manufactured fables. Now it seems soooooo obvious. The brainwashing is hard to overcome and undo. Great talk /interview. .

[@Stevejoohee]

Great comment. You are very correct about the brainwashing. It can be very hard indeed to undo. That book scared and scarred me when I was very young. I spent a lot of years in fear for no real reason.

[@mrandersong1]

Because they use the most literally terrifying thing which is hell and the most rewarding thing heaven to control minds

[@mrandersong1]

Yeah, the gospels aren’t eye witness and the evidence for Jesus outside the Bible is non existent.

[@scottdavis3571]

Yes, it is. I didn't go to church enough as a "Christian". I worried about my "salvation", until I was able to give it up. The fear of Hell is a doozey. My saving grace was college and sports involvement. It's been 18 years now. I miss the community with people, though. I'm getting more active about finding a community to replace it now that life is getting less stressful.

[@jpremier5743]

The true meaning of the apocalypse, the unveiling

[@user-Witchery101]

Tim, this is what you were always meant to do. My first crack was when I tried reading my child’s Bible to her and she was horrified. Then I had a miscarriage IN CHURCH. Then I resolved to really read the Bible front to back. I made it to Joshua and found you on KZbin. I remember thinking “this shit is dark and twisted and there are so many errors” as I read. And as for Jesus …what was the point in dying , ascending and being eternal if you’re inaccessible to us? I’m so happy to be free!! Keep doing what you’re doing!!! Sending you love ❤️

[@27273100]

More people are waking up as the truth continues to come out. Attrition is inevitable. This time, the church now knows how it feels to be held accountable by the unbelieving world and it doesn't like it.

[@Stevejoohee]

@ Mathilde L. Houck "Inaccessible". How true that is.

[@freestyleliving4145]

Honestly reading it I said to myself this is just a crazy primitive man rambling. I was pretty disappointed to hear God's word. Someone told me it is the best self help book and it will teach me so much I'm 33 all it did was cause massive fear stress and put me behind in life

[@radscorpion8]

@@freestyleliving4145 yeah i'm pretty sure the old testament is inspiring nobody. Also don't mix fabrics that's a mortal sin hahahaha

[@EdwardM-t8p]

​@@radscorpion8 And eating pork and shellfish is an abomination! Doubly so if you eat them together.

[@coreybarnett7785]

I am a Christian Minister. This is hard to swallow.😢

[@MG-ot2yr]

And imagine how things would have gone down if it actually happened. Romans and Jews would have either directly witnessed it or heard about it from credible sources and would have convinced the majority of people that Jesus was a divine being, there would have been then no separation between Judaism and Christianity, they would have become one in the same, and Romans as well adopting it as a state religion at the time, not hundreds of years later. There would have also been a great deal of contemporary accounts of this miraculous event, with word of it spreading like wildfire. But none of this happened because the resurrection story is made up BS.

[@anthonyjohn9000]

You are absolutely right 100%.

[@chainedmindsasylum]

Jonathan is the perfect example of why the Bible demands faith. Because when we start to use our reasoning skills it can't stand up to the monumental evidence against it. This Book 📖 is NOT the Word of God 🕵️

[@enaroos4608]

Just purchased "The Resurrection". Excited to read it. As always Tim, great talk. Thanks you!!

[@user-Witchery101]

And so many other questions I was always afraid to ask or no Christian could ever answer. Rape, slavery, misogyny, incest, it goes on. But also, why would you have to kill your own son for your own creation? You can’t just fix me or forgive me? Anyway..,.thank you so much!!

[@AmitKumar-qz2us]

It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man. Thomas Paine Founding father of USA Bible allow slavery, rape , loot , genocide , terrisom & it is always against the science and morality . "In the entire first Christian century Jesus was not mentioned by a single Greek or Roman historian, religion scholar, politician, philosopher or poet. His name never occurs in a single inscription, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence. Zero! references." "Jesus Christ Was never Exist " Plz see video... kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4XQi5-ZoMiqg7s Bible allow slavery, rape , loot , genocide , terrisom & it is always against the science and morality . Judges 21:10-24 NLT- "So the assembly sent 12,000 of their best warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy[a] all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found 400 young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan." kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnSmnHpveJatlclt Bible allow slavery... Exodus 21:20-21 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. "It would be more consistent that we call [the Bible] the work of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind." Thomas Paine Exodus 21:7-11 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself,[a] he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights.(A) 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money. Plz click link to read... www.evilbible.com Chritianity debunked using science & history As per Bible the creation Begins in 4004 BC at 9 AM on 23rdOctober. Means creation took place nearly 6000 year ago. Bible said earth is flat , sun moving around the , But Galileo said that the earth is round and circles the sun , and the church blinded him , so that he can never look into another telescope. Also punish copernicus . In reality by modern science cosmos is 15 billion years old and that the mind and consciousness has to be factored in. Well the advent of quantum physics has proved Bible wrong. Undermining of science is evil When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it’ - Oscar Wilde (1854-1900), Irish author Plz see video.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWq4coyvgr6ebas The Bible is one of the most genocidal books in history. Noam chomsky ।।

[@homoerectus744]

The sacrifice was for God's own violent, dysfunctional behavior.he had to sacrifice what was most important to him...but I don't believe none of shit seriously.im just using their own theology to justify what I just said.

[@EdwardM-t8p]

​​@@homoerectus744 Good idea! We could call God The Father El Elyon who demanded that Abraham sacrifice his son Isaac. Then when Yahweh, God The Son, prevented the sacrifice and provided a ram instead, El Elyon got pissed and decided that right then and there that Yahweh was going to pay in the most cruel, hideous, vile, shocking, shameful, perverted, and abominable way imaginable by suffering and dying on a Roman torture frame and stake, which the church mutated into a cross.

[@homoerectus744]

@@EdwardM-t8p yeah...I hear ya.

[@homoerectus744]

@@EdwardM-t8p I hear ye.

[@daheikkinen]

It has been at least 25 years since I believed any of it, but I always like to learn new (to me) ways in which the Bible is wrong.

[@rainbowkrampus]

Totally. The fact it's so thoroughly studied is what's most interesting to me. Many ancient documents feel somewhat alien since you have to be a specialist in the field to really get the context of the era and culture. But so much effort has gone into communicating that context for modern peoples when it comes to the bible. So even though it's of a time I can scarcely imagine, I still feel like I understand the people behind the whole thing. However misguided they may have been.

[@bellezavudd]

The buybull is Wrong, in E V E R Y way !

[@philipfarnam6013]

@@bellezavudd Oh, no...it does have some good stuff in it. It also has loads of stupidness and is, indeed, wrong a lot. The problem is Christians swallowing the whole of it. My "favorites" are those who claim it as a "historical document" which is just silly.

[@bellezavudd]

@@philipfarnam6013 "It has some good in it." And so what, its still wrong. IF you had a history book or an ethics book which contained "some good" history or ethics but mostly blatant lies and bad ideas would you bother telling anyone its got "some good in it"? No, you wouldnt. Because you know enough to reccomend other much better books on the subject.

[@philipfarnam6013]

@@bellezavudd Well, yes I would, actually. The best single example I can think of would be Karl Marx. The guy was so wrong about so many things but even he had a few good thoughts. Nobody's writings I've ever read had 100% good stuff in them...which is to say, stuff that I personally regard as "good" or worthwhile. Has it been different for you? The Bible does, indeed, have some good ideas in it. It also has loads and loads of BS, stupidness and just plain wrong assertions.

[@mouthpiece200]

If god came to save sinners, then refusing to bow should not be an obstacle to him saving you. That's like a fireman not going to a house because its on fire. Excellent commentary as always.

[@B.S._Lewis]

It really calls into question the unpardonable sin. Euthyphro dilemma focused to a point.

[@B.S._Lewis]

@@philipofsparta1355 🐂💩 Check the channel, you might lmao some more.

[@Neon-Shadowcaster]

Thanks Jonathan and Tim for this great interview! 🤩

[@ATipplingPhilosopher]

Thanks again to you for watching!

[@tor5457]

With such comprehensive academic and intellectual substance behind the argument for the Bible as myth, I feel sorry for those who would justify such a flimsy belief system, let alone engulfing one's life in it. It's baffling that they can't see the Grand Hoax, or the Grand Myth, if you prefer. I like the idea of the Jesus story as a play.

[@luvee1699]

It seems to be a testament to the power of indoctrination

[@niteshpudasaini1033]

Hey me from kathmandu,Nepal...25 age atheist here..just subscribed to your channel...lots of love ❤🇳🇵

[@rainbowkrampus]

What's the atheist community like in Nepal, if you don't mind my asking?

[@show-n5z]

@@rainbowkrampus first of all, there is no theism- atheism in hinduism, if he is a hindu. It is just showbis on his part. Hindus do not believe. God or no god, not a problem at all. Scriptures or no scriptures, also no problem at all. Myself a hindu, I am not a theist nor an atheist, nor anything else for that matter. It is just - you live as you like. It is a way of life. We don't usually care about a God or no God. For your information.

[@bellezavudd]

@@show-n5z Why assume hes a hindu? He could have easily been Buddhist. Or even a christian though more rare there. However he said he was atheist. Why should you think hes just a liar. Thats more than a little presumptuous of you.

[@whippet71]

I began to doubt when I realized the so called ‘scriptures’ did not beget theology, to the contrary, ‘theology’ beget the scriptures. The entire curtain unraveled into a pile of political threads.

[@josephthomasjr.6551]

Indeed! Tim is amazing. He's performing an enormously valuable service. The simple fact of the matter is this: Christianity Is MYTHOLOGY! And the sooner everybody knows that the better. Tim is helping to bring that day ever closer.

[@andrewkayla7994]

Great interview Tim. I Keep learning all the time.

[@martinelzen5127]

So, have been following JP for ... maybe 6 months now, maybe more, but he hadn't mentioned this channel! Ed Raby did, maybe I'll give JP a piece of my mind! ;-) Thanks HA, keep on keeping on!

[@kaziras342]

It wasn't knowledge of the bible that finally made me wake up to the truth, it was its followers. "You shall know them by their fruits". But knowledge is freedom.

[@davideldred.campingwilder6481]

At around 1:30, I think that the 'Hero's Journey' would have explained lots.“Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.” ― Oscar Wilde, De Profundis.

[@davideldred.campingwilder6481]

If you are new to this topic of Astrotheology, religion, philosophy, etc. This is a great chat that will raise an eyebrow and hopefully bring you to the light.

[@OddRamble]

this is the real ministry Tim, cheers brother, this is the real divine commission

[@pinky9440]

The church taught us that in the 3 days between his death and resurrection he went to hell to get the "keys to hell".

[@johnkerr1113]

I am glad you mentioned the 'elitism' of the apologists.. I was apalled when some apologists tried ( and failed miserably ) to debunk Paulogia with an opening statement.. " he doesnt even have a PhD !"... what condescension ! ..4.5 million out of a population of almost 8 billion worldwide...I think that is 0.056 %.? ... somewhat elitist and they dont all speak English!!! I actually keep a photo of dawkins and barkers reference to god on my phone... 'jealous and proud of it...petty, unjust, unforgiving,control freak, a vindictive bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential,megalomaniacal, sadomachistic" and other unsavory characteristics as written apparently by his own hand of his inspriration throughout the bible... never bought into the mythology.... noah, moses, 500 zombies, dead pigs, talking serpents and asses, the sun standing still, a guiding star, mythical kings, joseph of arithemea( what happened to him and where is arithemea?) ....the list goes on and makes TLOR seem plausible.. haha

[@LM-jz9vh]

To religious people who believe in the *fictional* Abrahamic god YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah, please learn his origins. He was originally a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon and son of the chief Canaanite god El. Yes, the *fictional* god of the Israelites and Christians is the same *fictional* god of the Muslims as well - the Abrahamic god. ------------------‐----------------------------------------------- *Although the biblical narratives depict Yahweh as the sole creator god, lord of the universe, and god of the Israelites especially, initially he seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El.* Canaanite inscriptions mention a lesser god Yahweh and even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that *“the Most High, El,* gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). *The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief cast back on the early days of Israel's development in Canaan.* *It is generally accepted in the modern day, however, that Yahweh originated in southern Canaan as a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon* and the Shasu, as nomads, most likely acquired their worship of him during their time in the Levant. *Yahweh in the Canaanite Pantheon* The biblical narrative, however, is not as straightforward as it may seem as it also includes reference to the Canaanite god El whose name is directly referenced in `Israel' (He Who Struggles with God or He Who Perseveres with God). *El was the chief deity of the Canaanite pantheon and the god who, according to the Bible, gave Yahweh authority over the Israelites:* When the *Most High [El]* gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Sons of God. For Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage. (Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Masoretic Text). The Canaanites, like all ancient civilizations, worshipped many gods but chief among them was the sky-god El. *In this passage from Deuteronomy, El gives each of the gods authority over a segment of the people of earth and Yahweh is assigned to the Israelites who, in time, will make him their supreme and only deity; but it is clear he existed beforehand as a lesser Canaanite god.* Yahweh, according to Amzallag, was transformed from one god among many to the supreme deity by the Israelites in the Iron Age (c.1200-930 BCE) when iron replaced bronze and the copper smelters, whose craft was seen as a kind of transformative magic, lost their unique status. *In this new age, the Israelites in Canaan sought to distance themselves from their neighbors in order to consolidate political and military strength and so elevated Yahweh above El as the supreme being and claimed him as their own.* His association with the forge, and with imagery of fire, smoke, and smiting, worked as well in describing a god of storms and war and so Yahweh's character changed from a deity of transformation to one of conquest. *As the Israelites developed their community in Canaan, they sought to distance themselves from their neighbors and, as noted, elevated Yahweh above the traditional Canaanite supreme deity El.* They did not, however, embrace monotheism at this time. The Israelites remained a henotheistic people through the time of the Judges, which predates the rise of the monarchy, and throughout the time of the Kingdom of Israel (c.1080-c. 722). Google *"Yahweh - **WorldHistory.Org.**"* Watch Dr Christine Hayes at Yale University. Watch lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards and lecture 8 from 12:00 to 19:00 minutes. Google *"Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society."* Google *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopaedia."* Google *"Canaanite Religion - **Realhistoryww.com**"* Google *"Canaanite Phoenician Origin of the God of the Israelites."* Google *"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."* Google *"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."* Google *"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."* Google *"How the Jews Invented God and Made Him Great- Archaeology - Haaretz."* Google *"The Boundaries of the Nations - Yahweh Elohim."* Google *"How Did the Bible’s Editors Conceal Evidence of Israelite Polytheism - Evolution of God by Robert Wright."* Google *"Biblical Contradiction #3: Which God is the Creator of the Heavens and Earth: Yahweh or El?"* Google *"Biblical Contradiction #27. Are Yahweh and El the Same God or Not?"* Mark Smith: *"Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh's Ascendancy - Lehi's Library."* Google *"Quartz Hill School of Theology - B425 Ugarit and the Bible."* Google *"The Origins of Yahweh and the Revived Kenite Hypothesis - Is That in the Bible?"* Google *"Yahweh, god of metallurgy - Fewer Lacunae."* Google *"Polytheistic Roots of Israelite Religion - Fewer Lacunae."* Google *"Religious Studies: El, Yahweh and the Development of Monotheism in Ancient Israel."* Google *"Decoupling YHWH and El - Daniel O. McClellan."* Google *"Yhwh, God of Edom - Daniel O. McClellan."* Google *"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.*

[@lenniebarrere4586]

I was 12 when I reasoned a good god and hell were mutually exclusive.

[@carolwilliams8511]

Well done. 😊

[@ATipplingPhilosopher]

Thanks for this, Tim! Legend. Like much of Jesus... We'll have to do a fourth one day.

[@kikoissa]

Thank you! Great interview.

[@pinky9440]

They teached us that anything in the New Testament that correlates to the Old Testament is "because Jesus was weaved into the Old Testament because he existed forever." It was all "part of the plan" to show how REAL it all is.

[@carolwilliams8511]

Tuning in to this 2 years after it was broadcast I am fascinated because I know him best for his Ukraine war reports!

[@dmckenzie9281]

I really enjoyed this one. Jonathan has a manner that is very engaging and easy to listen to.

[@ATipplingPhilosopher]

Thanks. Check out our previous ones.

[@timetoreason181]

British

[@davidfitnesstech]

WITNESS CREDIBILITY is very important even in our court systems today... but apparently it wasn't very important 2000 years ago. I would have wanted to INTERVIEW the people who CLAIMED to have seen/heard these various things happen (regarding Jesus ..etc..). Seems that WITNESS CREDIBILITY ISN'T that important in ANY God-based religion. WEIRD.

[@Sandra-mk7uo]

Thanks!

[@davideldred.campingwilder6481]

At 1:08, the question about it being a 'Play'. This is very important. A Greek or Roman play. I've read that it does come across as a play due to the elaborateness of the whole gospels...As like the precession of the great year and that every 2500 years or so we have different accepted Gods/esses. Like 5000 bc Monotheistic Isis, then 2500 bc RA and then BC the God El IS-RA-L...

[@byroniac]

At around 59:03, how plausible is it that Jesus' robe (for which the soldiers allegedly cast lots) could have been removed from Jesus before scourging and all that, and that Jesus was either naked or put in simpler, less desirable clothing to be crucified? Or do verses like Mark 15:20 make this an insurmountable difficulty for my proposition in reference to John 19:23-24? It seems like this is a very good objection that Pearce makes and I had never even considered before.

[@cindychristman8708]

For those people that think the Shroud of Turin is the burial cloth of Jesus, what exactly was Jesus wearing when he came out of the tomb...where did he get the clothes that he was wearing when he appeared to Cephas, the 12, the 500 witnesses, all the apostles, to Thomas? Was he walking around naked until Pentecost? Inquiring minds want to know.

[@Matira269]

John 19:23 says that they divided Jesus's OUTER garments. This implies that he was left in his undergarments. This could have been done before the crucifiction.

[@byroniac]

@@cindychristman8708 Well, considering that he allegedly had a "resurrection body" it is an easy thing to further assert glorified "resurrection clothing" as it were.

[@mouthpiece200]

Don't forget the robes the guards put on him.

[@rainbowkrampus]

That bit seems more to me like an added detail meant to either jump up how important Jesus was or else to cast further aspersions on the Romans. Depending on whether the focus is the importance of the clothes of Jesus as a divine figure or the uncouthness of Roman soldiers essentially gambling over the clothes of a dead man. Heck, it could even be both. A quick search didn't bring up anything on what Romans tended to do with prisoner's belongings after they'd been executed. It seems notable to me to have that particular detail though, given that most crucifixions didn't involve leaving the body up forever. It was usually returned to the family after a few days. Just speculating but I don't see why that wouldn't also apply to the deceased's former belongings, bloody tattered rags or not.

[@davideldred.campingwilder6481]

At around 2:00 they talk about people not willing to drop their faith, or even question it. Why not? Well, this is a very important point. Once you do that. You are doing this. Firstly you are putting your family on the line. Your wife may leave you, followed by weekend visits from the children, ostracised from the church, your workmates may be also. In fact, kiss your whole life goodbye. And that's why many Christians are reluctant to 'Go there'...And on the other side. Imagine your partner coming home and said. I've just become a Christian and the kids are going to church next Sunday...Could he/she be using that as an excuse to 'fall in love' with something/one else?

[@dennisdowns8098]

Love your stuff Tim! Paul's Damascus Road experience was hallucination, because the accounts differ. Also why weren't the witnesses converted? And why was Paul persecuting Christians? Lots of other bigger sects around at that time. Jesus was following Jewish law to the letter!

[@elliottpaine9259]

and when did the romans who "saw jesus rise, and the angels go and mention that all this happened to the disciple matthew so he could write it down" Since mattew wasn't there only the roman soldiers?

[@name_christian]

Hey, you popped up in my recommendations. Nice. Sub. Interestingly enough, I am reading Pearce's resurrection book currently. His nativity book will be my next read. It's way shorter and will fit perfectly right before the christmas holidays. It is always nice to annoy your religious friends.

[@moesypittounikos]

The argument that the guards at the tomb who witnessed Jesus and then ran away and were never heard of again seems to be the norm in the ancient world. All the great battles, all the witnesses to charismatic great dudes like Caesar and the rest, every tuning point in history we have absolutely zilch from the thousands of stressed and excited soldiers who saw those evens through in their witnessing front row seat. I've always wondered about this. So when we say why didn't so and so tell and write it down, they probably did tell everybody, and those everybodys told their grandkids, and their grandkids, until the telling becomes fable.

[@brianalmeida1964]

If the only way Paul knew the Jesus character was through a vision (hallucination) how did he know that he was seeing Jesus?😉🤷🤣

[@ATipplingPhilosopher]

Don't get all reasonable about it...

[@brianalmeida1964]

@@ATipplingPhilosopher 🤣🤣🤣

[@ronaldlindeman6136]

As people and Philosophers in the Age of Enlightenment would have said it. Like Thomas Jefferson. Why would a God who knew that humans are sinners, and as sinners are also corrupt, dishonest, liars, embellishers, forgetful, etc., why would that God have humans carry that Gods most important message?

[@AAwildeone]

Paul is constantly engaging in one-upsmanship out of necessity. He didn't actually have contact with this supposed messiah, like the apostles did; so, how do you outdo that to establish credibility over them? Visions, revelations, proclaiming that not only are you a convert, but you were the absolutely most vicious of persecutors, etc...there are so many instances of self-aggrandizing puff-pieces in the epistles that it borders on embarrassing!

[@bellezavudd]

Because the man in his vision looked like a dogs ass. Or was it toast ??? Either way, HE KNEW 👀

[@seasquawker]

I think the best support for the Gospels comes from Zechariah 6:11-13. Joshua was high priest when the Jews were returning from the Babylonian captivity and Zerubbabel was governor. Here in Zechariah 6 he is given a golden crown and it is stated, "Behold the man whose name is the BRANCH!" Now all of a sudden it starts to talk about the Messiah who will branch out and build the temple of the Lord. He will be a priest who reigns on the throne. He will hold both offices. After the order of Melchizadek (Psalm 110:4). And it says here that this high priest Joshua shares the same name as this Messiah. Joshua in Hebrew is pronounced Yeshua and in Greek it would be Jesus. John 2:19 Ephesians 2:19-22 Psalm 118:22

[@EdwardM-t8p]

The last time I was an active member of a church it was the Boston Church of Christ back in the late 1980s. I fled because of the fundamentalist Evangelical cult's pressure-cooker environment. Then, when I found out the New Testament Jesus never existed back in 2011 and then found out just a month later what Roman crucifixion was REALLY like, I knew Christianity was a house of cards founded on lies stacked on top of lies. What I have seen about the ancient cruel and unusual death penalty I cannot unsee.

[@Yeobebes]

At 1:28 : Can’t find anywhere in the bible where Ezekiel or Elija’s death involved Earth quakes or darkness - where’s this found in the bible?

[@ATipplingPhilosopher]

Yeah, so I can't remember where I heard this, hence the caveats. Looking into it now, there are loads of references to darknesses and earthquakes but don't think around the death of either.

[@HarmonicAtheist]

Some of these comparisons are interesting and might relate: vridar.org/2020/12/05/gospels-cut-from-jewish-scriptures-7-conclusion/

[@Yeobebes]

@@HarmonicAtheist thanks

[@LJG29]

The breaking of the Jewish laws concerning the trial, crucifixion and burial of Jesus, might have been meant to show the general incorrectness and corruption and self deception of the Jews putting “the savior” to death. Like you were saying, it is fascinating to weigh or consider what motives might have been or might not have been involved throughout.

[@antqdavis62]

Just purchased the kindle book .

[@jonathonjubb6626]

I think it takes about ten years to accept no life after death and so not be frightened of dying...

[@SHurd-rc2go]

Were you frightened before you were born? That's how I think about it. The ego doesn't want to let go. Be safe and well.

[@jonathonjubb6626]

@@SHurd-rc2go I've always bee n a pessimist; my dad nicknamed me Thomas as a kid cos I needed everything explaining and wouldn't take stuff 'on faith'... Thanks and same 2 u.

[@carolwilliams8511]

I actually resent having to die and be forgotten. I would like to live for 200 years. I think by then I might be tired enough to exit happily.

[@jeh45345]

The three days to me only makes sense as astrotheology woven in the story for the benefit of the "pagans" of the era.

[@inreallife21]

So was the New Testament written to be read as fiction or to be taken literally?

[@rainbowkrampus]

Neither. Mythologies serve as stories which create a shared bond within a community. Their veracity isn't really considered outside of apologists. And apologists only come into being when people start asking about the reality of these tales. I've seen people, more than once, bite the bullet hard on whether or not they care if their religion is true. Fiction or reality is the wrong framing. What matters is that sharing these stories cements a person's position within their group. As tinkle tink (god I love that name) mentions, as these documents were being written they were serving a purpose for two audiences. The problem, as I understand it, is we have no evidence for what the priests/church leaders were considering. We just know that this sort of thing is pretty common. For religions of sufficient size there's almost always an inner circle who know the "deepest lore". But even then, that "deep lore" doesn't necessarily comport with anything in reality. Dig into some modern cults to see how this sort of thing pans out. People who decide to start messianic or apocalyptic cults aren't usually playing with a full deck.

[@joycesky5041]

The whole Bible should be read as fiction and mythology.

[@inreallife21]

@@joycesky5041 I get that, but what I’m questioning are the authors’ intentions. I don’t understand if this was all written to be read as myth originally and has since gone on to be taken literally by religious fanatics or if it was written to be read literally to intentionally deceive people into accepting a new religion? Or some other reason?

[@intermediaryfossil7163]

It's a Roman Empire post-war- 66AD-73AD-political propaganda satire. It's a clever Pro-Roman Empire/Emperor worshipping document that also mocks a defeated Jewish rebellion. Actually, quite remarkable.

[@intermediaryfossil7163]

@@inreallife21 Ultimately, in the literature, to get a defeated Jewish rebellion to call a Roman Emperor their "Lord". It's a wicked satire. The "King of the Jews" is even comically "pressed" in a wine press. There is a running gag of cannibalism by the defeated Jewish rebellion in it as well.

[@mouthpiece200]

Anyone familiar with Jonathan Cahn and his books and the claimed signs and wonders and such within? Just curious.

[@mouthpiece200]

Well if you're not familiar with his specific claims then you're not in a position to debunk them.

[@mouthpiece200]

@Skydaddy Myth-Busters That's fine, anywhere to find a good debunking of him? Some of his prophetic claims would be very compelling if taken at face value, but not everybody has time and energy to fact check every claim. He's either got divine inspiration or he's a major charlatan - not really any room for inbetween.

[@mouthpiece200]

@Skydaddy Myth-Busters Many of the things he mentions are not really prophecies but rather signs and wonders he claims have already happened. I wonder if some secret society has arranged those things to happen on purpose, or if he's just lying through his teeth about verifiable events. He's very pro Israel - maybe they arranged some of those events to look like god is behind the creation and legitimacy of Israel. Even if he's wrong on some things it technically wouldn't exclude him from having supernatural powers, as even the Bible says that evil has its powers and false copies. I just like to evaluate all possibilities.

[@onlyme972]

Any roman guard leaving his post would have been the next for crusifiction

[@carolwilliams8511]

Indeed. But there were no guards. Why should there be?

[@bustr]

Ashraf Ezzat has a book and some videos describing how the Exodus and most of Jewish old Testament history occurred in Yemen not the land bridge between Africa and Asia.

[@jamesstaplesv]

Could you please do some episodes on the Kolbrin bible??

[@mediocrates3416]

Judas had a week long meditative experience of Christ as per the gospel of Thomas and the gospel of Judas (divergent evolutions of the original): the original gospel of Judas would be Q. It compelled rebellion because of "shall not taste death". Even Boudica in Wales may have been inspired by the original gospel of Judas. Then Saul went around putting down rebellion (usually work to rule, most likely). Then it happened like Ralph Ellis says. The cannonical gospels tell the story of the story: Judas, Paul, Mark, Matthew, Luke, John; in that order. There is mind/brain dependence but; a community in truth has brains, doesn't it?

[@denisestarr2314]

If Jesus's fallowers were Jews and Hebrews , then why wasn't the New Testament books ,qnd letters wrote in Hebrew not Greek ?

[@tayh.6235]

Paul goes all in on the resurrection in 1 Cor 15...which as I recall, even skeptics agree Paul wrote. He's very plain that the resurrection is bodily and the linchpin for the entire belief in Jesus. I'm astounded at the unfamiliarity with the very text he is critiquing.

[@ATipplingPhilosopher]

Read my chapter on it or Carrier's extensive thesis featured in the book The Empty Tomb.

[@EdwardM-t8p]

But it's not a normal body but a body that's also a quickening spirit!

[@AmitKumar-qz2us]

Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't. Mark Twain The father of American literature".

[@marcmeinzer8859]

Considering the fact that the gospels were not assembled into their final form for several generations after the supposed life of Christ, what is to distinguish the resurrection accounts from ghost stories or even some sort of furtive plot to fake the death of Jesus, he having spent to all accounts a suspiciously short period suspended upon the cross to have resulted in death? Then also the gospels give every indication of having been concocted by an ignoramus who knew nothing of the geography of the holy land while reworking paganistic motifs from Egyptian, Greek and Persian mythology in which resurrected demigods born of the sexual congress of gods with human females supposedly virginal and therefore impregnated miraculously or at least by alien gynecologists working in hovering flying saucers after abducting their experimental subjects in beams of light…

[@darrelgustafson2507]

There are 4 gospels because there are 4 compas points and 4 principle winds, what's the problem?

[@tammypeace5873]

we are in hell now

[@joegarry8983]

Me thinks our God's drive U.F.O.s.

[@billkeon880]

First question to ask a believer: if the evidence shows god doesn’t exist, would you look at it? If not, they are admitting a closed mind. Atheists will always say yes to this question

[@ranias76]

was jesus a person in history .Did he ever exsist

[@johnsalkeld1088]

There were letters in bram stokers Dracula

[@elliottpaine9259]

ha ha

[@kevinwilmore3604]

As False as a 9 dollar Bill!!!

[@jasonmiller7794]

Jonathan, please stop chewing your thumbnail.... Now you've got me doing it....!

[@ATipplingPhilosopher]

Are, the power of suggestion... Let me tell you, I have this holy book that I suggest you take seriously. .

[@jamesstaplesv]

the word Gospel seems to be way over used

[@epiphanydrums5427]

Starts off reasonably well, but less than accurate about in-depth theological concepts. Their mutual unfamiliarity and vague limited understanding of the whole tarsus concept derailed me. Depth of credibility faded. A little sloppy considering accuracy of understanding is a major principle being discussed. the average atheist and surprisingly, ex believers claiming atheism are among the most poorly informed. No dog in the fight other than accurate and reasonably thorough research.

[@ATipplingPhilosopher]

The irony is perhaps the nebulous nature of your criticism!

[@bellezavudd]

Epiphany, From your review it sounds like theres a dogfight going on in your head and you have trouble concentrating. Maybe, try again.

[@pinky9440]

If you are so well informed, please tell us more??

[@raphaelotutu9033]

Whether Jesus exist or not, whether crucifixion and resurrection are false or not, my hope is still in Jesus not human

[@HarmonicAtheist]

Praise Zeus from whom all blessings flow!

[@bellezavudd]

Lies lies lies Tell me sweet little lies.

[@drncubenaturalherbalremedi5438]

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[@traog]

Astrology is BS,

[@rainbowkrampus]

I quickly want to recommend that Dr ncube quit peddling this dangerous quackery before they kill someone.

[@alanschuetz9552]

Mockers will mock... Your destiny is Gehenna. #NoPity

[@lissam8988]

So their destiny is the valley of Judea The valley of Ga-hanna where some tribes of Judah burned their children and fire to sacrifice to the gods. Learn some history!

[@alanschuetz9552]

Lissa M Yes! It is currently a garbage dump just outside of Jerusalem, but it is where the Israelites formerly sacrificed their children to Molech by fire. It will be manifested as a lake of fire at the conclusion of the Tribulation, and Leviathan and Behemoth - the beasts of the sea/abyss and earth, respectively - will be the first thrown into it at the Second Coming. 1,120 years later on Judgment Day - Yom Kippur in 7000 AM - Satan, the fallen angels, and those judged to be wicked will be thrown into it as well vanquishing ALL evil. So, I don't know Biblical history (nor the future), huh? lol #HaDerech

[@alanschuetz9552]

Belleza Vudd Your mocking leads you to the same outcome. So be it; it's your choice.

[@bellezavudd]

@@alanschuetz9552 Oh nooooo, not more silly superstitious threats. Oh me, oh my !

[@alanschuetz9552]

@@bellezavudd Many like you will have that smugness wiped from your face.