The RF Class C amplifier - basics and simulations (1/2)

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FesZ Electronics

FesZ Electronics

Күн бұрын

#147 In this video I look at the basics behind the Class C amplifier. I have a look at how it works, how it behaves and what are some things to keep in mind when designing such a circuit. And to show things off, I also try to simulate the various behaviors and effects using LTspice.
Further reading:
Radio-Frequency electronics; J. Hagen; Cap 9.1
cdn.macom.com/datasheets/MRF3...
www.analog.com/en/technical-a...
Transistor spice model source:
www.centralsemi.com/docs/csm/...
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Class B amplifier part 2a - • The Class B amplifier ...
Class B amplifier part 2b - • The Class B amplifier ...
Class C amplifier part 1 - • The RF Class C amplifi...
Class C amplifier part 2 - • The RF Class C amplifi...
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@johnlegros1586
@johnlegros1586 2 жыл бұрын
absolutely great explanation of class C behavior , am an old retired RF engineer and used this in quartz LO multipliers and even in TV output power for narrow band ( ~10 MHz bw at 800 MHz freq ) , and with an SA could get very low 3rd and 2nd harmonics , but with very long and difficult time finding the correct impedance/Q matching elements using cavities and slit couplings ...had no such fabulous simulation tools at the time , mostly the nose , experience and lot of time ....very nice return in my past , Thanks !!
@fifaham
@fifaham 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent work - I studied RF circuit design about 20 years ago and I keep updating myself with presentations such as yours. Thank you for your support.
@carmelpule8493
@carmelpule8493 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant and superb presentation. This gentleman knows a transistor and the power transfer requirement, Unlike many other " electronics contributors, he did not just fill a whiteboard with his handwritten notes and spend the time reading it, wavering his pen on the written sheet, describing what the unit does rather than the detail of how it works. Thank you Sir, for respecting your audience and in turn you should be highly respected. Thank you once again. .
@sinclair8811
@sinclair8811 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work, man! I hope you'll continue the topic of RF circuits :)
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, we need more RF please!
@paulp1204
@paulp1204 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, very nice overview of the class C, and several pro tips for LTSpice as well. Your impedance matching tutorial has come in handy already! I have an old 2 transistor FM radio microphone kit that uses this amplifier, so I'll dig it out and see how they configured it. Thanks for the inspiration Fesz.
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 2 жыл бұрын
This type of amplifier is quite good for FM since the wave amplitude is always constant and the frequency varies only within the limits of the various LC resonators and components.
@wgm-en2gx
@wgm-en2gx 2 жыл бұрын
You explained this very well. I have a basic understanding mostly from digital electronics. However, I was able to follow this video quite well.
@josephf6785
@josephf6785 2 жыл бұрын
I am not sure how I did not know of this channel until now, but you have some great content here! This explanation was really well done, and the simulations were really concise!
@CodeJeffo
@CodeJeffo 2 ай бұрын
Excellent explanation 👍
@user-uk5ep9hm5k
@user-uk5ep9hm5k 2 ай бұрын
Excellent explanation!
@olivierconet7995
@olivierconet7995 2 жыл бұрын
Super well explained, I finally understand how to play with class C !
@rubenhidalgocarrillo
@rubenhidalgocarrillo 2 жыл бұрын
Great material, as usually. Thanks for your videos.
@alessiocaffi5992
@alessiocaffi5992 2 жыл бұрын
Just popped out in my recommended .Very interesting and nice review. Compliments!
@robertfindley921
@robertfindley921 2 жыл бұрын
Nice refresher! I like your transistor pendulum!
@rjordans
@rjordans 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial again, thanks!
@cyberphox1
@cyberphox1 Жыл бұрын
Got to be one of the best electronics channels 💪
@chandanchandu4126
@chandanchandu4126 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation!!
@weinihao3632
@weinihao3632 2 жыл бұрын
Superb explanation!
@dmitry.shpakov
@dmitry.shpakov 2 жыл бұрын
The best explanation ever!
@yasirshafiullah3016
@yasirshafiullah3016 2 жыл бұрын
This is super good.. Thanks Alot for explaining.. This is very interesting with simulations!
@__--JY-Moe--__
@__--JY-Moe--__ 2 жыл бұрын
nice follow through presentation!! congrat's!!
@raphaelcoti692
@raphaelcoti692 2 жыл бұрын
Always good videos !! Keep going on man !
@elwood.downey
@elwood.downey 2 жыл бұрын
Very clear, thank you.
@granttaylor3697
@granttaylor3697 2 жыл бұрын
If you are interested I can provide you with information about switching amplifiers, as that has been my main area of research for the last four years and I have invented three new classes, O, P and Q. As each switching class as in linear types have a range of very useful applications in electronics, for both RF and AF designs.
@dmyegorov74
@dmyegorov74 2 жыл бұрын
Great work ! Thank you !
@redrostream2972
@redrostream2972 Жыл бұрын
love your smarts and info my friend **
@hedleyfurio
@hedleyfurio 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent as always 👍
@rudinei_do_conto
@rudinei_do_conto 8 ай бұрын
Obrigado pelo ótimo conteúdo, excelente vídeo... Muito sucesso ao canal. Saudações do Brazil.
@johnwest7993
@johnwest7993 7 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@googlem7
@googlem7 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent 👍
@alaricsnellpym
@alaricsnellpym 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Another useful one for the radio tinkerers out there :-)
@PepeAlipido-ph9dz
@PepeAlipido-ph9dz 6 ай бұрын
very very good
@joejane9977
@joejane9977 2 жыл бұрын
A fricken PLUS PLUSS thanks that was wonderfull
@aliptera
@aliptera 2 жыл бұрын
A transistor pendulum! I didn't know such thing exists - LOL!
@bsuryasaradhi6816
@bsuryasaradhi6816 2 жыл бұрын
Gold❤️
@R2AUK
@R2AUK 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I think it's simpler to think about class C PA in the frequency domain. The parallel LC circuit forms a band-pass filter. The class C PA works as a switch, thus generating multiple harmonics of the original signal. These harmonics can be filtered using a corresponding band-pass filter, which creates the "frequency multiplication" effect. The waveforms at 7:30 don't show that the frequency multiplier is unreliable, but that the band-pass filter is not great, thus there are other harmonics than the desired one in the output signal.
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 2 жыл бұрын
I guess that what I meant by unreliable was that if you are trying to generate very large frequency multiples, at some point the input signal is not properly multiplied, but rather the output frequency depends more on the center frequencies of the various LC circuits than the input signal frequency.
@R2AUK
@R2AUK 2 жыл бұрын
@@FesZElectronics I'm afraid that's not quite accurate either. The harmonics will be all over the spectrum. You just need a narrow band-pass filter to filter the right one, that's it. In practice, people don't use literally an LC circuit on the collector, because that's indeed not the greats filter. Usually, you will see a 1:4 transformer that converts 50 Ohm load to 200 Ohm one on the collector and a following 7-pole LPF/BPF, or maybe a crystal filter. You can find the concrete example in the schematic for video number 17 (page 9) on my channel, although I used a MOSFET instead of a NPN transistor.
@01masuda
@01masuda 2 жыл бұрын
I called Ic singal(with broken tip) Spork signal. When Ic becomes spork signal, 2nd 4th sprious increases. Then Conventional AM transmitters apply simultaneous modulation to the final stage and the excitation stage.
@LightningHelix101
@LightningHelix101 2 жыл бұрын
Waiting for this classy class-C to live the ideal dream of conduction angle zero.
@MegaCadr
@MegaCadr 2 жыл бұрын
Yay RF amplifiers! Could you do switch mode RF amps in the future? Especially interested in using MOSFETs and the drivers at HF.
@tahanprahara
@tahanprahara Жыл бұрын
How to choose the right capasitor and inductor for the load example 50ohm antena? Thank you sir
@vincei4252
@vincei4252 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation and explanation of some small details the text books gloss over and leave you scratching your head. How good is LTSpice for simulations of these types of circuits for frequencies from 7-14 MHz? 20-40 meters ?
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 2 жыл бұрын
In general the simulation result is only as good as the component models that you are using - if various parasitic elements are removed to get a simpler design, then the observed behaviors will differ from realty.
@kocheltree
@kocheltree Жыл бұрын
Won't your blocking capacitor change the impedance that needs to be matched in going from the 500 ohms to the 50 ohms or is it a negligible value?
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE 2 жыл бұрын
Really interesting and useful, thank-you. Now I know what the Q factor is.... I used to think it was something to do with James Bond 007!
@grigus1
@grigus1 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video! I'm wondering, how a class-C amplifier behaves in spread-spectrum RF systems? Like Wifi, Bluetooth, etc
@blockcamp
@blockcamp Жыл бұрын
WiFi and Bluetooth both require large bandwidths and that's not something class c can support.
@geertas
@geertas 13 күн бұрын
in many class C amplifier the Capacitor which is parallel with the coil on the collector is omitted. Can you explain why that is?
@aitorsierra
@aitorsierra 2 жыл бұрын
Hi @FesZ Electronics. In the case of 2.5v I have obtained different results with Eff2 and with the same values and the same circuit. Could it be something related to the numerical resolution of LTspice ?. Could you please share your LTspice file ?. Thanks
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Aitor! One thing I think was not mentioned clearly in the video was that in the transient simulation setup, I set a stop time at 500us and a start time at 300us - the idea here being that I wanted to exclude any start-up behaviors. What exactly was the efficiency you obtained (and what was the reference in the video)? Another thing that might be different was the spice model used for the transistor - I will add it in the description. Regarding file sharing, I restrict this to certain tier of Patrons, in an effort to thank them for their contribution.
@hanangonen8732
@hanangonen8732 2 жыл бұрын
Very good explanation ...as usual . Can you make a video about yourself ...knoledge resorces,education ...are you working as an hw engineer or electronics is just an hobby ...
@stark9397
@stark9397 2 жыл бұрын
Hİ, can you make a video about avalanche transistor or diode? Fmmt417 is a good avalanche transistor and it has .spice file but I can't use it in marx generator. Even though the transistor goes into avalanche mode, it turns off in a short time and I can't get the output voltage. Thank you for the videos and useful information :)
@briant4326
@briant4326 Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the fantastic video thank you. Just one basic thing I'm hung up on. I've read that sometimes LC circuits are used as filters. So they have infinite impedance (when parallel) at resonate frequencies. Does that not apply here? It doesn't seem that the transistor is operating as if it has infinite impedance in the collector. So i'm confused as far as when to treat it like a filter versus when to treat it like an oscillator. Anyways thank you.
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics Жыл бұрын
It does work as a filter here as well, its just that you need to consider that the LC is also in parallel with the load R; so at resonance, the equivalent impedance of the whole group (parallel RLC) is R (the LC is infinite as you mentioned); and at any other frequency the impedance is lower because of there reactive behavior of the LC group.
@ltlt6117
@ltlt6117 Жыл бұрын
Hi i made a common emmiter amplifier for 200mhz signal with 2× gain I can amplify a 50 mv p-p to 100mv p-p but I can't do it for 2v to 4v p-p Why what values should be change???
@panjisetyonugroho5219
@panjisetyonugroho5219 2 жыл бұрын
Can you teach us how to simulate input and output impedance of amplifier ?
@fullwaverecked
@fullwaverecked 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video. At least five volts? Q factor recommended. What is the max Q for class C? Thanks! You have a new subscriber. Cheers from Utah!
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 2 жыл бұрын
Q is dimensionless (its a Q of 5); or did the 5V refer to something else? I don't think there is theoretical limit to the Q value other than real life - very high Q means very little inductance and a large capacitance - you need very large current pulses to drive it; also components have tolerance - if you have a very large Q, you can simply miss the desired operating frequency under specific conditions (temperature for example will impact component values)
@fullwaverecked
@fullwaverecked 2 жыл бұрын
@@FesZElectronics That is spot on. I mistakenly assumed 5 was volts...
@Thamer03
@Thamer03 2 жыл бұрын
What is the name of the program you are using it is really cool
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 2 жыл бұрын
Its LTspice - its a free circuit simulator program. I use it in most of my videos.
@pawank.patidar
@pawank.patidar 2 жыл бұрын
Great sir, please make video fm radio antenna signal amplifier for weak Signals . How to build please guide us.
@rjameslower
@rjameslower 2 жыл бұрын
What if replace RLC oscilador with a xtal ?
@biswajit681
@biswajit681 2 жыл бұрын
Could you make video on 3 phase BLDC motor control methods
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 2 жыл бұрын
I may cover this at some point, but it is not currently in plan...
@ElectronicaJE
@ElectronicaJE 3 ай бұрын
@visualnetwork3773
@visualnetwork3773 2 жыл бұрын
Why did you switch the transistor fron 2222 to 2219 ?
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 2 жыл бұрын
It was capable of delivering higher power, so it was also more resistant to misuse.
@troy6882
@troy6882 2 жыл бұрын
Education and we know aaaaaaaa.😁it's working good timing!... ...that took a lot off direction correction including electron roll on a dead half line??..😳WTH!.🤣.
@ibrahamdavide4556
@ibrahamdavide4556 2 жыл бұрын
PLEASE MY FRIEND YOUR SPEECH FOR STUDENTS JUST . IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN FOR US . HOW CAN WE MAKE TANK CIRCUIT ? WHICH IS PART FROM YOUR AMPLIFIER CIRCUIT . MY SWEET GREETINGS FOR YOU
@TWOSU_NEWS
@TWOSU_NEWS 6 ай бұрын
My brain hurts
@imadsalem1446
@imadsalem1446 11 ай бұрын
What is simulator name
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 10 ай бұрын
Its LTspice - this is what I use in all my videos
@fullwaverecked
@fullwaverecked 2 жыл бұрын
So class C not so good for guitar amp?
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 2 жыл бұрын
Most likely not, but you can try it - in the simulator at least; it might create some interesting sound effects. I did a video a long time ago about how audio files can be imported and exported into LTspice. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5WtnmCKr9d1qaM
@fullwaverecked
@fullwaverecked 2 жыл бұрын
@@FesZElectronics I'll check it out. BTW, I'm interested in low wattage (2 - 12 watts) guitar amp builds. Thanks for responding and keep up the great work!
@fullwaverecked
@fullwaverecked 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know why RF is so hard to wrap my poor brain around... 😵‍💫
@bradleyberthold4606
@bradleyberthold4606 Жыл бұрын
I believe in real Class-C amps they just put a very large inductor in the collector, to keep it operating in continuous current mode, and then the output has the LC matching which acts also like a filter to get the required frequency (you put in a PI filter) (see an example at kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJ29m3Wnnsh6iqc&ab_channel=MahendranC). Having the "LC tank" in the collector is too difficult to get a good signal since the load will load down it's Q and then you get discontinuous operation.....all the real schematics I've ever seen for Class C, don't use a LC tank in the collector, they use a large inductor in the collector for continuous current, and then the output network is a matching network connected to a filter which will give you the frequency of interest - the input frequency is what determines the real frequency of operation more than anything. Class C is basically a "DC - DC converter" that doesn't rectify the signal and has a filter at the frequency of interest instead of a super low pass filter.
@cheifreal
@cheifreal 4 ай бұрын
So a class c is the hit and mis engine of the rf world. Makes since ta me.
@jimlahey5354
@jimlahey5354 Жыл бұрын
He hasn't slept in 6 days
@fullwaverecked
@fullwaverecked 2 жыл бұрын
Large amounts of distortion is a crappy guitarist's dream. Just speaking for myself. 😎
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