The Right Arm Secret Nobody Tells You About!

[@peterrivas08]

This might be worthy of golf video of the year. I love how far you took this video by going further into depth, not just with the elbow but what the hand is doing as well. So many other instructors only give you a partial amount of info. Tom saguto, who I watch also, really advocates the tucking of the right elbow as well. However, when I try it, I'm still playing army golf, left right left right lol. You and Tom are my favorite instructors. Thanks for this!!! Also, are you keeping that right elbow at 3 AND right hand wrist at 1 throughout the swing? At top of swing as well?

[@robcheneygolf1]

Hi Peter. I appreciate you taking the time to comment and for your kind words. In answer to your question, strictly speaking, I like the elbow to stay in 3 (ideally) but the forearm moves more towards position 2. However, I’ve found the sensation of keeping the 3&1 produces a great outcome for the majority of golfers.

[@johnsadler8637]

I too have been watching Tom Saguto videos and have had some good success with the stack and tilt but still occasionally had that open face of the 2 and 3 positions of the hand. This explanation resonates well with me. I’ll see how the 3-1 positions do tomorrow.

[@MonteRosa849]

Most useful video ever! Changed my game in the most fundamental way! Thank you very very much!🤩

[@robcheneygolf1]

You're very welcome!

[@valedwards373]

Great video. Hogan never mentioned this. I taught with Nicklaus/Flick golf schools and Golf Digest School. Retired PGA professional 55 yrs

[@robcheneygolf1]

That is awesome!

[@Greggstewart1]

In hogan’s book entitled power golf there is a picture and explanation of the elbows position at address which describes how to check to make sure you are correct at address. Thx rob love your videos.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thanks for watching!!!

[@Allabertina]

I'm a retired with experience in instructional design (ie how to present material in a digestible manner). You're the only golf instructor/teacher that constructs a golf lesson well. Congrats.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Very kind of you to say so! 🙏🏻

[@7empest-om3fy]

You’re the man!!!! Thanks Rob, you are so good at what you do helping us get better. You are so good at explaining things, actually the best!

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thank you!

[@duggandh]

The swing of the golf club is complicated. Rob explains it. Best ever. ⛳

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thank you. That's kind of you to say so!

[@sidneydunston]

I had a lesson with Andy on Thursday and this just confirmed what we were working on. Implementing this 3/1 trail arm position allowed me to add 20 yards of carry distance, on line, and as you stated, effortlessly. Great lesson Rob.

[@robcheneygolf1]

That’s awesome! Nice job! 💪🏻 #gridlife

[@raymondville]

Best golf instructor around

[@robcheneygolf1]

Very kind! Thank you 🙏🏻

[@PawelSiczek]

Back to back 80's rounds for the first time since my first lesson with @robcheney , I agree!

[@MrGregPatmore]

Great video... Spot on & effortless !!!

[@robcheneygolf1]

Much appreciated!

[@giovanniluigiallievi6058]

Grande Lezione Rob …. fantastico !!!

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thank you!!!

[@Fullkornsglass]

Your way of explain the details in the golf swing is matched by no one, Rob.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@waynea7703]

This missing lesson/link is huge. You explained it beautifully; it works. Well done, thank you.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Glad it was helpful!

[@peterhadley2875]

Thank you. I’ve read 5 lessons three times. Nice to have your addendum. Your explanations are excellent. That smooth 7 iron at the end was the perfect punchline.

[@scottbrooks7339]

Hey Rob, I just wanted to say that your videos have been a tremendous help to my golf swing. I used to play quite regularly as a teenager. I always struggled with my swing and ball contact. I have not been on the course for these reasons since the 90’s. I can say after watching countless videos you have explained the wrist hinge unequivocally better than anyone else. Thank you.

[@robcheneygolf1]

That’s very kind, Scott. Happy to hear that the videos are helping you! 👍🏻

[@Jazzman5001]

Thanks Rob. You have an incredible knack for sensing the questions we’d be asking while watching - and then answering them in your next sentence!

[@robcheneygolf1]

We aim to exceed expectations! 😎

[@stephenpole4260]

Makes it so simple doesn't he and this actually works like everything you have to work on it. Absolutely fantastic golf instruction

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thanks! Appreciate the feedback and kind words! 👍🏻🙏🏻

[@MoneyIsntRealGeorge]

This might be the best golf instruction video on KZbin!! A must when discussing set up.

[@MoneyIsntRealGeorge]

And I’ve watched over 300. 😂

[@SuperDakiz]

The most amazing description of one of Hogans secrets! Thanks.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@stevenvig927]

clockwise rotation of the right humerus... counterclock rotation of the forearm... while keeping the right wrist bent back to and through impact.... there is also some extension at the right elbow as you approach impact.... this was a great video

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thank you, Steven!

[@Jim-tm5dw]

I have played with, watched and worked with a lot of professional teachers and tour pros. This is one of the most informative and easy to follow lessons I have ever seen. I also watched your ball position lesson. I just subscribed and will continue to watch you. Excellent!

[@9zhivago]

Really fantastic lesson.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thank you for saying so. Glad the video was helpful! 🙏🏻

[@simondolph2559]

That picture of Hogan's trail arm has confused me for a long time. It just ended up with me slicing. Having just seen your video you have now supplied the missing piece. I can't wait to get out on the course and try it. I have just come across you and watched two videos. You break things down and explain them more simply than most KZbin instructors. Thanks.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Happy to help, Simon! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@ISAAC2861]

Thank you, as a 49 year old newbie to golf. I consider myself to be a learner. Your way of instruction has made it visually easy to see where the details lye in what I can improve on to get the ball to go where I want it to. I am looking forward to trying these tips and incorporate them in my swing. Thank you for the great videos.

[@RobertMiller-sh7gb]

Thanks for sharing this nuances in the golf swing. Very helpful.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thanks you for watching, Robert! 👍🏻

[@michaelnorelli4280]

The proper explanation of trail shoulder and elbow and separation of forearm was great. Focusing more on trail shoulder made a difference for me with the elbow being in the correct position of the swing. Thanks.

[@russquick7899]

Good morning Rob-Your lessons are so explicitly powerful that I always learn something. Will watch repeatedly. Stay safe my friend-Russ

[@robcheneygolf1]

Much appreciated! 👌🏻

[@lloydkomori8806]

Well done Rob. A true revelation in golf instruction. I cannot wait to get to the range once I recover from serious wrist injury. Thank you

[@cordjones67]

This was brilliantly explained. I have struggled mightily trying to get to the 3 & 1 positions but generally end up in the 3 & 3 positions while adjusting my foot alignment to accommodate a slight fade (which occasionally turns into a wild freeway exiting slice. Thank you so much for giving us a clear image and explanation to work with.

[@beachedwalrusau]

Moved to stack and tilt 2 weeks ago from the swing my instructor had me doing (Destroyed my swing completely) and i am already far more consistent and hitting further (Driver has gained 30m even with it slicing/fading). However this was the missing piece to the downswing. I assumed i needed to keep both arms as straight possible (Watching 2 other S&T instructors and trying to remember everything) and was ending up over the top and early extending. I played last weekend and while i could keep most clubs in play, the driver was fading/slicing (Lost balls and dropping shots anyone) because i was coming over the top. Understanding and implementing this concept actually has fixed this issue. Generally speaking my new ball flight is draw or straight. Cheers!

[@robcheneygolf1]

That's very cool to hear! Happy the video was so helpful for you. Enjoy your S&T journey!!!

[@Blackcloud319]

Going to try this now as I’ve been reading Ben Hogan’s book about this hidden secret! This makes so much sense to me. Thank you sir, much respect 🫡

[@jd.schultz-qh1ui]

Thanks Rob, I had seen this before, it was good reminder of what I had forgotten. I think it was Bryson who was the first to open my mind up internal and external at the same time. Thanks once again really enjoy your stuff.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Happy to hear the video was a good reminder for you! 👍🏻

[@Ldhwry]

Another great video Rob. Hogan said, "..the secret is in the dirt" and that he wished he had "...2 right arms". The critical detective work you have done to reveal the importance of the right elbow working with the right wrist to close the club face is the secret sauce to a powerful delivery at impact and follow through. This has left me wondering...did Hogan know this but chose not to reveal it to his competition? Or, did his super human talent naturally close the club face even though the illustrations in his book suggest an open club face at the top? Thanks again Rob for your masterful teaching. Golf is becoming fun again!

[@jeffreylevine4076]

Very clear explanations supported with visuals.

[@NewyTex]

As you pointed out, that's the missing part of my swing. I practiced in the house as it felt "unnatural" at the range. After a couple of practice days in the home. I went back to the range and did a lot better. Thank you!

[@pbode1]

Rob, I've watched 3 videos now on your channel since becoming interested in differences in 'teaching schools', and if anything they've been confirming my feels on well struck shots. It's now clear to me that the guy who fitted me last year (professionally for the first time in my life) was a stack and tilt supporter. He brought me the best improvements. I am naturally already deep with my hands, swing in to out by nature (first time I saw the Trackman technology too, which being a mechanical engineer intrigued me massively), but two main things were missing: low point and weight distribution. Back in the nineties when I started out I was not taught about low point, so for 25 years I thought the low point was supposed to be AT the ball. Not moving my body/hip forward to promote a better low point gave me a little scooping motion, stock shot being a high, but rather short draw. My wristy ability to time flipping the toe very well (lowering the presented loft a bit) obscured the scoop effect most of the time - if my timing was OK that is. All and all quite functional to play enjoyable golf as a mid handicapper, but suddenly I became aware of new opportunities to improve. After practicing lead leg weight and locating low point after the ball during the fitting the draws become more powerful already. Kept practicing all winter. Got myself a Hackmotion. It showed me that I also without thinking much flatted my lead wrist to zero at P4. But I needed to feel 'dead wrists' on the way down to start really compressing the ball. And guess what the book of S&T says: don't move that lead wrist. Other instructors (online or face to face) can bring you so far off track if you are not aware of the various golf swing concepts and which coach believes in which. Best follow just one framework: I tell you S&T is the one for me. Beginning of 2024 I got myself a shot scope watch revealing I was pretty awful on 3-6 feet putts. Improving that brought me close to single digits now by end of August 2024. Having said that, here's my question: How does Hackmotion's guidance on 'moving towards more flexion' of the lead wrist match with the Stack & Tilt book guidance on keeping the lead wrist 'as is' ? Which I believe you are echoing in this video as well? did the HM find something the S&T inventors didn't know yet when they wrote their book? As a non-native speaker I may have missed a point or two, sadly I could not find the Dutch version of the book. I'm asking because it's practically the one thing that doesn't match my own observations. I can feel compression very well also with keeping my lead wrist at the same angle or just a couple of agrees more flexed... certainly not the offset of 10-15 degrees more flexed compared to P4 that HM built into their training drill.

[@tp0376]

Good lesson. If it’s not tough this way by many instructors , it makes me wonder if many great players just stumbled upon this by accident and do this without even knowing

[@decoratingelements7748]

great lesson..i try to feel my trail shoulder point to the sky instead of lead shoulder point down and that helps keep the trail arm tucked...thats 90% pure shots so just have to get the other 10% dialled in

[@robcheneygolf1]

Nice idea! I like it 👌🏻

[@adrianpriddey5690]

Excellent content, could you do some instruction with regards correct release , especially with driver , I have a tendency to hold off the driver for some reason but not my irons ! Thanks

[@Jazzman5001]

Rob this video is gold. This tip reduced so many variables in my swing. Tried it with my driver as well and good strikes were automatic. My arms used to be reaching outward at impact, but if my right elbow stays connected it’s impossible to reach now. I still have some issues, but this makes it one less thing to think about. Thanks!

[@robcheneygolf1]

That’s amazing! Glad the video was helpful! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@michaelellis1263]

think your videos are some if not the best videos ive watched.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thank you, Michael. That’s very kind of you to say so! 🙏🏻

[@chrissmall1246]

I started learning to play golf after reading Ben Hogans 5 swing lessons. I have been in a slump lately but last round found something. By keeping my elbow down and in mire my contact improved dramatically. I will really focus on this at the range tomorrow as I think it is the biggest thing missing from ny swing. It also helps my hip movement through the ball

[@robcheneygolf1]

Nice one, Chris! 👍🏻

[@chrissmall1246]

@@robcheneygolf1 Just returned from the range. It feels awkward because the lead arm straight pushes my lead shoulder back a bit so the set up feels strange but...I was hitting them down the middle and my 6 iron was rolling out to about 175 yards on my well struck shots. My 6 iron is normally my 140-150 club so a noticable difference. After so many years I just have to get used to the uncomfortable feeling and make it comfortable. Didn't work so well with the driver though.. seemed to be bottoming out more often. Anyway, thanks, you explain the technique very well. It will make a difference with my irons for sure...much straighter and consistent. Cheers!

[@johnnyparker9928]

Very clear and important fundamental of a desirable golf swing, thanks for sharing.

[@9P38lightning]

OMG this so well explained….👍

[@albalatbat7582]

Great instructions Rob and thanks for sharing this video.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thanks for watching! I’m happy the video was helpful for you! 👍🏻

[@ryanpeterson1918]

Great information. I’ve been trying to learn stack and tilt from various KZbin videos. My swing is much improved but I still lose some shots to a tendency to slice. Between this video and your instruction on hitting driver I think I’m finally putting the pieces together.

[@warwickgee809]

Another great video and explanation. Strangely, I find maintaining the 3 and 1 rear arm structure easy to do with the bowler drill (rear foot back) however, considerably more difficult with the normal setup.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Sounds like a great reason to stick with the “bowler” stance! 👌🏻

[@jhillyt]

Great info Rob, can't wait to get to the range... Thanks...

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thank you! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@sjn456]

Thanks for posting. I tried the golf glove under my right arm drill and I’m already keeping my elbow tucked. Closing the wrists and leaving the elbows open tip helps that you mentioned. On thing Im working on now is squeezing my forearms together. Which seems to help with distance especially at impact. I did notice on the range most golfers right elbow is not tucked though. So this video should be very helpful. Not sure when I learned to tuck my right elbow. My dad may have told me to do this when I was a kid. I have others golfers comment my swing is cramped though. If I try to increase my backswing distance to reduce the cramped swing I find it much harder to hit consistently but it does go farther with a fuller backswing.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Glad it helped. The correct right arm position is very much an overlooked/misunderstood part of the golf set-up and golf swing.

[@marcodioguardi6426]

Thanks for this tip. It’s really making great changes in my swing. I was not able to draw the ball, now ball get compression m, distance and draw

[@robcheneygolf1]

Glad it was so helpful! 👍🏻

[@barryedwards3402]

Very very helpful. Best information I have received. Thanks.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Glad it was helpful!

[@markking7382]

Great Info. I am going to give it a try today at the range. I will post later with the results.

[@SonnyBernales-h7s]

wow, this is the part I was missing. Thank you Rob.

[@andrewgudgeonobe2721]

This is one of the few videos I have saved

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thanks for watching, Andrew! 👍🏻

[@mavisknight4522]

Thank you, great 👍🏾 explanation and great steady voice!

[@AntonakisDemetriou]

Rob this is the second video I watched of yours .After watching the first one this morning I went out had a game and had 11 pars which I haven't managed for the last 4 months. Never seen anyone before teaching the way you do,I'm impressed

[@TheClassic1976]

Expert advice!! Such a good video.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Glad it was so helpful!

[@lawrencedimartini2449]

Really effective profound move.. I sincerely appreciate your efforts

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thank you, Lawrence! 🙏🏻

[@johnharrington6122]

Rob , I have always believed that somehow his right arm was connected to his right hip on the forward swing and that’s why he was so big on the hips starting forward ! John

[@md4ts27]

This exactly my current issue, I suffered with early extension and right elbow separating in my downswing. As you may well assume, it has caused me to shank recently. This very well explained. How do I get in touch for online lesson?

[@robcheneygolf1]

Please download the SKILLEST app and search for my profile on there. Here is a desktop link for your convenience - skillest.com/app/profile/rob-cheney-2

[@Criscross292]

I’ve read Hogan’s 5 Lessons so many times and never made that simple connection- The wrists can rotate independently from the tucked Elbow.

[@robcheneygolf1]

I hope you found the video helpful 🙏🏻

[@arthurkingsley3865]

It really made sense to me. Thank You Very Very much. 😊

[@robcheneygolf1]

You are so welcome

[@RandySahr]

So well explained! Great drills!

[@OscarGonzalez-vg3cp]

Thanks, very good golf lesson.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thank you, Oscar! 👍🏻

[@richiep1976]

That is pure gold! Feels absolutely amazing and so easy to replicate. Does this also work with Driver?

[@robcheneygolf1]

Of course! 💪🏻

[@LarryZack-tb4uu]

This is a great informative video lesson. Would you say that the trail elbow will separate as the back swing gets longer? Or should it stay attached? Would that be too restricted? Thank you, Larry Z

[@samdevictor7153]

Great lesson, Cowan agrees

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thanks, Sam! 👍🏻

[@thomasroughton5345]

Great lesson many thanks Tom 👍

[@robcheneygolf1]

Glad you enjoyed it, Tom!

[@scottytravis3503]

Wonderful explanation of the rust and arm

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thank you! 🙏🏻

[@scottytravis3503]

Sorry I meant wrist and arm

[@robcheneygolf1]

@@scottytravis3503 👍🏻

[@ungrifeau]

Rob, does the right wrist stay in the 1 position when at the top of the backswing or does it move to the 3 position there? I remember hearing a reference to a “waiter’s tray at the top of the backswing.

[@ilanmosery]

I love this lesson and was wondering if the same applies to a driver?

[@robcheneygolf1]

Yes, sir. Absolutely! 👍🏻

[@DavidHintongolf]

That picture of Hogan and his take on the grip caused 65 years worth of slicers!

[@robcheneygolf1]

I think you might be right!

[@sollyd123]

Hogan fought a hook. His method works to stop the hook but causes the slice LOL

[@rob0921]

Does this same move work for the driver, just placing ball forward?

[@robcheneygolf1]

Yes, absolutely.

[@tonyferro2496]

I was taught to keep the right arm attached to my chest, but then was told that I'm losing distance and I should let it open for more power. I.e. let the golf glove fall out near the top of the backswing. Thoughts? Love your videos. Thank you so much!

[@CRCCPastor]

Wow. Excellent is all I can say!

[@robcheneygolf1]

Glad you like it!

[@johnnyhershberger6294]

Great video! Thank you!

[@robcheneygolf1]

Glad you liked it!

[@sanjayverma4068]

Hi Rob, I tried tucking the right elbow into the chest, and the problem I had was that my back swing was going too inside. Any suggestions to keep the back swing on plane ? Thanks a lot for posting such awesome instructions and insights. Best regards Sanjay

[@timallen1262]

Thank You for this video, I have been working on this exact thing. One problem I have, I have been hitting a lot of shots on the toe, any advice? TIA!!

[@robcheneygolf1]

Hi Tim. Hard to pinpoint without seeing your swing. If you’re videoing yourself, you can check to see if you’re standing up before impact? If you like to send me your swings for full analysis, you can find me on the Skillest app. 👍🏻

[@davidpeel3803]

Hello rob, Can I use the tucked elbow with a driver or fairway woods

[@robcheneygolf1]

Yes, David. Absolutely! 👍🏻

[@DJ33]

Thanks great vid.

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thanks, Paul!

[@lessmith5285]

Great explanation, thank you! If you don’t get the forearm to position one, would the miss just hang out and not draw? (Generally speaking)

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thanks, Les. Yes, you're exactly correct! 👍🏻

[@jimmyriders2536]

Honestly this is amazing! I'm still struggling with I'd say fat but it's more like I'm using jcb golf clubs with my 2 and 3 iron I'd say am at 1 in every 7 are pure now and it's ridiculous I'm barly trying compared to all my years of golf before but my 2 iron goes 250 yards and that is all carry it went 198 yards before when I managed to get it and I was swinging away with all my might 😂 for absolutely no reason it would seem 😅

[@Chris_Traynor]

Very helpful explanation! I am just wondering what the sensation might be for someone who has been too internally rotated previously? Because they have been using elbow and shoulder to square the face previously instead of the forearm and hands.🤔 Would they likely have to feel they are twisting the shaft and roll releasing with the hands excessively to offset their previous tendency and ensure that they don't just keep leaving the face open and shank everything? Or should we be doing the Hogan side-arm throw? feel and just being strict about our connected trail elbow until we hit a few good ones?

[@robcheneygolf1]

Great question, Chris. You’re correct regarding the “twist” of the shaft to close the face relative to what your old pattern would have looked like.

[@Chris_Traynor]

@@robcheneygolf1 Thanks I'll be having a crack at this as I lost my strike a bit recently.

[@sportsbesthighlightschanne1052]

Rob, great explanation, when you have get a chance, can you comment on this video @ 4:29, it seems like Milo is turning the other way, I am not understanding it. Thanks

[@androidraytech4269]

Like finding a jewel, first coach i have understood about that trail arm. Everyone talks about wrist and elbow.

[@1010jrhunt]

Thank you

[@robcheneygolf1]

You're welcome

[@yancoesens302]

Hi Rob, love your program, is there any certified instructor in South Africa? I watched a video with Gonzalo at San Roque, he explained the hand position 2.2,3,1 is that a part of the stack and tilt system or is it something he added personally I live on the St Francis Links currently number 3 in SA, and would love to organize a stack and tilt seminar for our members (we could extend it yo other courses in SA), any ideas?

[@robcheneygolf1]

I’d love to talk more about this. Can you email me? [e-mail]

[@mntlblok]

Always looking for such "asymptotes" up against which to "lean". After seeing the right hand grip change that I'd need, I now see why none of my experimentation had seriously explored this one. Surgery has left me with zero right wrist "extension" ability. Don't think the "pencil grip" will yield satisfying shot length, but a little further fiddling suggests that limiting the right hand grip to the distal segments of the ring and middle fingers might be made to substitute in gaining that orientation, whilst still possibly leaving a bit of "hit" capability. Shall test soon. (Still some questions about when and why that right elbow is meant to fully straighten out in the swing. Suspect that the ability to leave some "shaft lean" at impact comes into play with that. Likely beyond my capability/concern). BTW, had explored this area a bit and had noted that this 3/1 setup is at a "maximum" or "extreme" as long as the elbow remains adjacent to the torso, but if the arm is extended from there, one may proceed to 2/0, if not 1/-1 - without any further turning of the forearm segment. 🙂 I believe that to be where duck hooks reside. . .

[@randykinkade1940]

Rob, you did not mention the trail arm flying wedge. Was this on purpose? Is that a separate issue or is the wrist position 1 the same as presetting the flying wedge? Thank you as always. Randy

[@larrywoodruff7024]

Rob I have this problem all the time

[@robcheneygolf1]

Hey, Larry! We’re working on this right now. I just sent your Skillest lesson videos back to you! 👍🏻

[@stephenchappell4953]

Is your trail arm resting on your ribs at setup ? Or is it off your body at set up? Some videos your trail arm is off and some on !

[@mikeneron]

I have seen something similar in a Tom Saguto video awhile back but have gotten away from doing this in my swing and I think is one of the main reasons why swing has escaped me. I played around a bit with this tonight and started with the lob wedge. It worked very well, but am wondering if it's cause your arms hang down low to your body so it's easier to tuck that elbow in. When I tried it with my driver I had some success but found if I kept the elbow touching my midsection that it felt cramped. The arms need to be extended out for the longer clubs. I find it harder to maintain the positions in this case. Any tips or thoughts on this? You are right in that this might be the key to a good swing. I can't believe this video only has 27K views.

[@HoodieMarce]

Hey rob, great video once again! I have been working on trying to get my downswing on the proper path however I can’t help but to slightly steepen the shaft at the start of the downswing despite having a desirable takeaway and top of backswing position. What is this attributed to? I have tried keeping my elbows glued together and maintaining the wrist angles however the steepening keeps occurring. Interested in hearing what you think about this. Thank you for all the great insight coach!

[@robcheneygolf1]

Hey, Marcel. It’s difficult to say without seeing your swing on video. The things you say you’re doing should be keeping the shaft shallower, so clearly there’s something going on that you’re not aware of. If you’d like to send me your swings for analysis, you can find me on Skillest.

[@stephenchappell4953]

Please do a video on lead arm setup !

[@rickrocketts183]

I’ve definitely found success keeping that trail elbow glued to the rib cage. Why do most pros have some space between their body and trail elbow at the top of the backswing? Is their first move to tuck it back to the body, and that little extra move creates a little more speed?

[@robcheneygolf1]

Yes, they are “re-attaching” the elbow in the transition. That’s the movement into the external rotation I was referring to. Many people struggle to find that movement, so getting the shoulder into external rotation at set-up (and trying to keep it there) is often more effective for the masses.

[@rickrocketts183]

@@robcheneygolf1​​⁠that makes perfect sense then. Basically makes golf easier even though you don’t quite hit your full potential. But at least you can enjoy a round of golf!

[@billbeil2395]

So,so good!!

[@paulfarmer7393]

With respect , it’s not missing from hogans book . Pg 53 and 54 he talks about the position of elbows and being pointed back at the hips , this is exactly the same idea/ concept . Hogan just had the idea as part of his discussion of stance , he didn’t feel the need to re emphasize it on the discussion of the downswing , where he was more trying to emphasize the importance of leading it with the hips . If the trail arm folds up correctly on the takeaway , backswing , which is driven by good arm posture and alignment at setup , then the arm position on the downswing takes care of itself , ie an effect , not something you have to try and consciously do .

[@AndrewDCDrummond]

Hogans prescribed setup had the elbows pointing at the hips, so the trail elbow is not quite as tucked in as that. Had thought the book said that it was but that he didn’t in reality do that as much, but checking the book shows not. Going into impact it was as turned as that though, more than most people manage and also this seems to be the common point area between him and Moe Norman.

[@markcalovich3881]

What about left arm and elbow set up? As to supination.

[@robcheneygolf1]

I’ll try and cover that in another video

[@stephenchappell4953]

Thanks!

[@robcheneygolf1]

Thank you!!! 👍🏻