The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism w/ Daniel Hummel

[@tunglam8210]

Perhaps we can have a discussion on " What if Dispensationalism Never Existed " ? I believe, we as Christians, are better off without it.

[@ryankittle3431]

We would not have the transgender issue going on here if dispensationalism did not exist.

[@tunglam8210]

@@ryankittle3431 I disagree . Without Darby, I am still anti trans gender. There will always be resistance .

[@ryankittle3431]

@@tunglam8210 I agree there will always be a resistance. I’m saying the resistance would be a lot larger and more active if most did not have the “escape the Earth mentality”.

[@corymarsh9509]

Huh??

[@chadmeidl1140]

@@ryankittle3431 Dispensationalism has nothing to do with it. ROMANS 1:21-32 *Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.* 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. *24Wherefore God also gave them up* to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. *26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:* for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. *28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind,* to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

[@RaisingRoosters123]

Really great conversation! I was always disappointed by dispensationalism, and too many unanswered questions. The one blessing of 2020 was time to dig into eschatology more deeply and learn there was actually more than one interpretation of Eschatology!

[@mbfrommb3699]

Part 1/2 I haven't watched the video so forgive me if I categorize it incorrectly, I just saw your comment and felt I should respond. If you have questions I have a pretty good handle on the topic so if I can help I will try. I'm sorry you haven't had a great teacher but I want to leave you with some proof that what we call Dispensationalism today isn't new. In fact, it was a foundational doctrine of early Christians and in fact, makes complete biblical sense if you have a good teacher. Proof of Dispensationalism in the early Church. DISPENSATIONALISM IS NOT A FEW HUNDRED YEARS OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol! I emphasize this because in many videos this is the first point. I've known this for 30 years and I am still flabbergasted that most videos that "talk" about Dispensationalism in the negative start off with this falsehood; Darby or Scofield invented it in the 1800s. This common point is a flat-out lie. I do my best to be kind to other Christians but this is not new. As I said I have books from 1995 on my shelf that show the early Christians wrote about this. First, we need to understand the lineage of disciples: Apostle John taught Polycarp. Polycarp taught Irenaeus, and it is said that Irenaeus even met John a few times. Irenaeus taught Hippolytus. Irenaeus (about 180 AD) who wrote his 5 volume works called “Against Heresies” who was a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of the Apostle John. “In 2 Thessalonians, the ‘falling away’ is an apostasy and there will be a literal rebuilt temple. In Matthew, the ‘abomination spoken by Daniel’ is the Antichrist sitting in the temple as if he were Christ. The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months. The little horn is the Antichrist. Against Heresies 5.25 Hippolytus (170-235 AD) wrote a 67 section/ chapter writing called "The Antichrist - a Treatise on Christ and Antichrist" "Now we must consider the question at hand, letting the previous introduction suffice. We must find out what the Holy Scriptures teach about: the occasion and time of the coming of Antichrist what tribe he comes from what his name is (from the number 666 in Scripture) how he shall work error among the people, gathering them from the ends of the earth his tribulation and persecution against the saints how he glorifies himself as God. What his end shall be the Lord’s sudden appearing revealed from heaven the conflagration of the whole world the glorious and heavenly kingdom of the saints when they reign together with Christ the punishment of the wicked by fire." Section 5-Prophecy introduction. Continued in his writing… "Now Daniel will set forth this subject to us. For he says, “And one week will make a covenant with many, and it shall be that in the midst of the week my sacrifice and oblation shall cease.” Daniel 9:27 By one week, therefore, he meant the last week which is to be at the end of the whole world, of which week the two prophets Enoch and Elias will take up the half. For they will preach 1,260 days clothed in sackcloth, proclaiming repentance to the people and to all the nations." ...For John says, “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.” Revelation 11:3 That is the half of the week that Daniel spoke about. “These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the Lord of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire will proceed out of their mouth, and devour their enemies; and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy; and have power over waters, to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they will.” Revelation 11:4-6 And when they shall have finished their course and their testimony, what does the prophet say? “the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them,” Revelation 11:7 because they will not give glory to Antichrist. For this is meant by the little horn that grows up. He, being now elated in heart, begins to exalt himself, and to glorify himself as God, persecuting the saints and blaspheming Christ, even as Daniel says, “I considered the horns, and, behold, in the horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things; and he opened his mouth to blaspheme God. And that born made war against the saints, and prevailed against them until the beast was slain, and perished, and his body was given to be burned.” Daniel 7:8 This is like 1 section of Hippolytus's 67 sections in this commentary. Early Church Father's wrote entire books on this topic. Hippolytus: On the End of the World A Discourse by the Most Blessed Hippolytus, Bishop and Martyr, on the End of the World, and on Antichrist, and on the Second Coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ. "Above all, moreover, he will love the nation of the Jews. And with all these he will work signs and terrible wonders, false wonders and not true, in order to deceive his impious equals. For if it were possible, he would seduce even the elect from the love of Christ. But in his first steps he will be gentle, loveable, quiet, pious, pacific, hating injustice, detesting gifts, not allowing idolatry; loving, says he, the Scriptures, reverencing priests, honoring his elders, repudiating fornication, detesting adultery, giving no heed to slanders, not admitting oaths, kind to strangers, kind to the poor, compassionate. And then he will work wonders, cleansing lepers, raising paralytics, expelling demons, proclaiming things remote just as things present, raising the dead, helping widows, defending orphans, loving all, reconciling in love men who contend, and saying to such, “Let not the sun go down upon your wrath;” Ephesians 4:26 and he will not acquire gold, nor love silver, nor seek riches. And at first, indeed, that deceitful and lawless one, with crafty deceitfulness, will refuse such glory; but the men persisting, and holding by him, will declare him king. And thereafter he will be lifted up in heart, and he who was formerly gentle will become violent, and he who pursued love will become pitiless, and the humble in heart will become haughty and inhuman, and the hater of unrighteousness will persecute the righteous. Then, when he is elevated to his kingdom, he will marshal war; and in his wrath he will smite three mighty kings, - those, namely, of Egypt, Libya, and Ethiopia. And after that he will build the temple in Jerusalem, and will restore it again speedily, and give it over to the Jews. And then he will be lifted up in heart against every man; yea, he will speak blasphemy also against God, thinking in his deceit that he shall be king upon the earth hereafter forever; not knowing, miserable wretch, that his kingdom is to be quickly brought to naught, and that he will quickly have to meet the fire which is prepared for him, along with all who trust him and serve him. For when Daniel said, “I shall make my covenant for one week,” Daniel 9:27 he indicated seven years; and the one half of the week is for the preaching of the prophets, and for the other half of the week - that is to say, for three years and a half -Antichrist will reign upon the earth. And after this his kingdom and his glory shall be taken away. Behold, ye who love God, what manner of tribulation there shall rise in those days, such as has not been from the foundation of the world, no, nor ever shall be, except in those days alone. Then the lawless one, being lifted up in heart, will gather together his demons in man’s for, and will abominate those who call him to the kingdom, and will pollute many souls. Section 23-25 Now we can debate whether or not Dispensationalism is an accurate biblical understanding or not but the point of it being new is a flat-out lie. Notice these writings were well after 70 AD the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem and 135AD which was the final dispersing of the Jewish people out of Israel. Notice Irenaeus: "there will be a literal rebuilt temple. In Matthew, the ‘abomination spoken by Daniel’ is the Antichrist sitting in the temple as if he were Christ." Hippolytus: "Above all, moreover, he (Antichrist) will love the nation of the Jews. If you just read these works and nothing else you would never again think Dispensationalism is new or unbiblical in any way. It's sad for me to see videos watched by so many people when many use as their very first point of the case against "dispensationalism" is a falsehood.. Proof of Premillennialism in the early Church. Barnabas, AD First Century “Therefore, children, in six days, or in six thousand years, all the prophecies will be fulfilled. Then it says, ‘He rested on the seventh day.’ This signifies at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus, He will destroy the Antichrist, judge the ungodly, and change the sun, moon, and stars. Then He will truly rest during the Millennial reign, which is the seventh day.” Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9 Commodianus, AD 240 “We will be immortal when the six thousand years are completed.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 35 “Resurrection of the body will be when six thousand years are completed, and after the one thousand years, the world will come to an end.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 80 Victorinus, AD 240 “Satan will be bound until the thousand years are finished; that is, after the sixth day.” Commentary on Revelation 20.1-3 Methodius, AD 290 “In the seventh millennium we will be immortal and truly celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.” Ten Virgins 9.1 (Continued in Part 2)

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

[@BishopEddie5443]

What you're missing is Apostle Paul says in Eph. 3:2 is that this dispensation is given exclusively to him and he also refers to the gospel that he preached as "my gospel" in Rom. 2:16 and in Rom. 16:25. He also said in Gal. 1:6 that there is 'another' gospel! In Gal. 2:7 Paul mentions 2 different gospels! So let's go by the Bible and not denominational error. OK? Questions?

[@kylec8950]

I pray for the day this wicked doctrine does indeed fall away for good. I preordered the book.

[@toddstevens9667]

Wicked doctrine? Lol. Not defending dispensationalism, but that’s crazy.

[@kyleChat]

@@toddstevens9667 you must not know much about it.

[@nikkio.9990]

I'm with you, it is wicked it's a false teaching and it has caused a lot of harm it has led to the dehumanizing of entire groups of people and christians feeling as if that dehumanization of other people is god ordained. It's garbage can water.

[@toddstevens9667]

@@nikkio.9990 That’s just nonsense. How in the world does dispensationalism do all that? What’s wicked about it? And whether it’s a false teaching or not is entirely in the eye of the beholder. I just saw a 2 hour video making the exact same claims against covenant theology. I don’t think all these accusations of heresy and wickedness against one another are God-honoring at all and certainly flies in the face of loving the Christian brethren.

[@robinq5511]

@@toddstevens9667 True love edifies us with Truth, whereas even a small lie affects the hope of the gospel we believe. JW's, Mormons, Calvinists & Dispensationalists have all turned to men to follow instead of the inspiration of the scripture authors - "Hath God really said..." is where they all start!

[@Fetsimo]

Thank God for the falling of Dispensationalism 🙏

[@robinq5511]

About 20 yrs ago I began looking into the different millennial views to try and identify their errors biblically - like I once did with JW's & Mormons for apologetic purposes. What I discovered was the Dispensationals handled the biblical text very similarly with lots of presuppositions and out of context application. That led me to try to start over and go with just scripture and let scripture interpret itself. That's how I discovered that the significance of 70AD was the real focus of the eschatology in the NT and how Jesus taught the apostles to interpret the OT prophets in light of the coming judgment.

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

[@davejaeckel7835]

​@@BishopEddie5443the word dispensation doesn't mean what you think it does. Maybe this will help... Eph 3:2 if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace that was given to me for you, Thayer Definition: the management of a household or of household affairs specifically, the management, oversight, administration, of other's property the office of a manager or overseer, stewardship administration, dispensation Many have been deceived (including myself) regarding the false doctrine of Dispensationalism. It is setting people up to believe in the anti-christ. Who will counterfeit the return of Jesus and setup a false millennial kingdom. This will lead to the great apostasy. Dispensationalism is a very dangerous false doctrine. Research Ribera and Bellatmine Jesuit Priests, John Darby, Larkin, Schofield, Rothschilds, to understand how this false doctrine invaded the church.

[@DianaSzucs-jv7yo]

@@BishopEddie5443 Dispensation of grace means the giving of grace. Dispensation is to dispense. To give. There are places in the Bible that discuss things God has dispensed to us. The DISPENSATIONAL SYSTEM of theology is a totally different thing. It claims that there are different GOSPELS. It also divides the redeemed of God into three castes. That ignores the meaning of the word, and it is unbiblical in the extreme.

[@BishopEddie5443]

​@@DianaSzucs-jv7yo What you're missing is Apostle Paul says in Eph. 3:2 is that this dispensation is given exclusively to him and he also refers to the gospel that he preached as "my gospel" in Rom. 2:16 and in Rom. 16:25. He also said in Gal. 1:6 that there is 'another' gospel! In Gal. 2:7 Paul mentions 2 different gospels! So let's go by the Bible and not denominational error. OK?

[@BishopEddie5443]

@@DianaSzucs-jv7yo What you're missing is Apostle Paul says in Eph. 3:2 is that this dispensation is given exclusively to him and he also refers to the gospel that he preached as "my gospel" in Rom. 2:16 and in Rom. 16:25. He also said in Gal. 1:6 that there is 'another' gospel! In Gal. 2:7 Paul mentions 2 different gospels! So let's go by the Bible and not denominational error. OK?

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

Hank Hanegraaff (The Bible answer man show) has basically been saying for years that dispensationalism is a doctrine filled with a ton of error! I’ve always agreed with him too. Sadly because of his stance, the “dispies” have tried to “cancel” him big time! It’s very sad, but he remains strong! Amen. 🙏

[@dougbell9543]

Dispensationalism foolishly replaces Christ with a re-emerged national Israel as the sacred epicentre of biblical prophecy. ✔️

[@SoundChristianMusic]

Yes. Such an accurate description. I tell them, the Jews need to be saved. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile!

[@mkshffr4936]

As a former Dispy I find this topic very interesting.

[@13kimosabi13]

Curious => what did you move toward and why ?

[@philipmurray9796]

Dispensationalism seems to be upheld by looking to the generation that saw the recreation of national Israel to be key to their time table of Christ's return. Once more time passes and that key indicator of their system falls flat, datpostmil will then take over.

[@jessedhakal5406]

Dispensational thought has been there long before 1830s. But still Darby was at least a hundred years before Israel was formed as a nation

[@mkshffr4936]

Dispensationalism and Zionism do seem to be strongly linked.

[@roberteaston6413]

@@mkshffr4936 I once watched a show on the Vision Network on Sir Winston Churchill's support of Jewish people. All his life Churchill, as an individual and a government official helped Jewish people and did his best to support the new nation of Israel. The only type of Jew he did not like were Russian Jewish communists. People have wondered where his love for Jewish people came from. He did not get it from his mother who was a promiscuous woman. He certainly did not get it from his father as he had almost no relation with him. People think that he may have obtained it from his nanny who was an evangelical Anglican. As a young boy she filled his mind with stories from the Bible. Churchill was no evangelical; let alone a dispensationalist. He was a racist who hated Muslims and the people of India. During World War Two he allowed three million Indians to starve to death. But as a nominal Anglican he had a love for Jewish people.

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: They reject the word dispensation entirely, even though it is found at least 4 times in the KJV along with many other allusions to the word dispensation. They are heaping to themselves teachers according to their own lusts. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[@mkshffr4936]

@@BishopEddie5443 We don't object to the word anymore than the Armenians object to the word predestined. It is the specific usage of the word.

[@Sad_Cat_Epiphany]

This topic is one that I'm very fascinated with. I absolutely plan on purchasing and reading this book. I too grew up in a deeply Dispensationalist church, the Left Behind series was at its peak when I was in high school. When I was 18, I dove into the academic theology of Dispensationalism, however, within couple years, I began to see inconsistencies that I became rather critical of. By the age of about 23, I was shifting into a more Reformed, confessional understanding of the Bible (exhibited by guys like DA Carson, GK Beale, James Hamilton Jr etc.) Still, the history of Dispensationalism is very fascinating to me. The way it appeared in evangelical circles rather suddenly, grew in popularity, burned brightly for a few years, evolved and developed internal rifts, influenced many levels of our culture, and is now in a state of academic collapse - it's just intriguing to me. We are living in an Era that I like to call "Dispensational Fallout" - there are masses of Christians who read their Bible with a Dispensational lens, but couldn't tell you why if pressed. What's funny to me is there are branches out there that have blended Dispensationalist eschatology with astrology, something guys like Ryrie and Pentecost would be horrified at.

[@eschatology_matters]

Great comment, ty for this

[@dfkuz]

@@eschatology_matters It's only great because you agree with it, right? The term, "dispensation," is found 4 times in the 1611 King James Bible, in: 1 Corinthians 9:17, Ephesians 1:10, Ephesians 3:2 and Colossians 1:25. The history of God's people has been ordered into different administrations of God's law and grace. Nothing alarming there.

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

[@annchovey2089]

Check out Gary DeMar and Jonathon Welton for clear good teaching on partial preterism. It answered so much craziness from the dispensation Al movement. Gary DeMar is the one that got Kirk Cameron of the Left Behind movies, to get off the dispey train.

[@MrBqualls100]

@@annchovey2089Bruce Gore and Pastor John Otis are two excellent resources also!

[@Heath580]

How can you deal with disagreeing with your pastor/congregation on this? My local church is dispensationalist and everyone are faithful believers, but if you disagree on this people get very upset.

[@JM24180]

You don’t. Find a new church.

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

[@dalewier9735]

​@@BishopEddie5443 Eddie, please look the word up in a Greek Lexicon. Strongs:"Oikonomia" is a Greek word that means management or administration of a household or estate. Stewardship. Vines expository dictionary: page 174, #3622 under "a" to the responsibility entrusted to him of preaching the Gospel.

[@dalewier9735]

As a pastor, I would hope you would at least tell your pastor why you are leaving, if you do leave. But, if you will talk to your pastor, you may find that your pastor may be struggling with his view of end times. I am a seminary graduate from a WELL KNOWN baptist school and I have rejected Dispensationalism and announced this to my congregation. I have found many problems with what I was taught but It started with a very trusted friend talking to me about just a few of the problems of Dispensationalism. I had cut my teeth on "late great planet earth". I knew of no other way to believe.

[@brightest07]

@leviserafim3920I wish you were correct, but you are most certainly not. If you differ in views of Israel with these folks, it ain’t going to go well.

[@getx1265]

Enjoyed the discussion. Grew up in very conservative Baptist dispensationalism, got inspired with Hal's late Great Planet Earth, and only in my old age began to look at the topic more closely. I've definitely shifted my beliefs, but don't have and reasonable label for what i am nowadays.

[@PastorMelquicedec]

Im new to covenant theology i really want to see it on the Bible because it sounds right, but i cant ignored the majority of explicit text of Gods plan for the ethnic Israel in the old and new testaments What surprises me the most is that the history of covenant theology is rooted in hate for the jews from agustine to luther to calvin all reformers hated jews, and even now i know people that find this theology very aligned with with their political views

[@hamish001]

Are you saying the basis of covenant theology is antisemitism? Also, what, more or less, is gods plan with “ethnic israel”?

[@PastorMelquicedec]

@hamish001 yes. Also I noticed that people have a problem with God's soverenitys election only when it comes to Israel but not Christians. 2) to fulfill his promise to them

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

I just received this book by Dr. Hummel today! I can’t wait to dive in and read it!

[@TimeToFlush]

I wonder how much of the rise and fall of America has impacted eschatology in the America church. Current events in Israel also seem to shape our nation here at home, probably more than Evangelical [or theological] Battles Over the End Times. When people are marching into Israel comparatively safely and securely (1948-1973), it might be easy to believe one view of the end times over another. When Israel goes beyond defending itself to violating boundaries (1970s-present day), these same people might discard those beliefs and fish for another. I became a Christian in 1980 heavily influenced by MacArthur's tape ministry. Before coming to listen to your program today, I listened to MacArthur's 1973 message called "Israel in the Tribulation" which I thought was very compelling. I actually wrote down something he said that struck me because it revealed his outlook upon this topic back then. He said, "But it's interesting to note this, and I only say this by way of a footnote, but the vast majority of Christianity, the majority of theology, has accepted the fact that God is through with Israel." Doesn't that translate into him saying the vast majority of Christianity is not dispensational, but rather hung up on spiritualizing Israel, etc.? In this program I got the idea that people swam in dispensationalism. I started wondering if MacArthur must have been overstating the condition in the early 70s. Maybe he was just creating a problem for his audience which he would be solving in his sermon. Here is an outline of his sermon for those that might be interested in it. I think some fall away from dispensationalism or premillennialism because they are not listening carefully. The sermon can be found at gty.org Outline I. Introduction II. Covenants with Israel A. Divine Covenant (Abrahamic Covenant) B. Satanic Covenant (Antichrist's agreement) III. Collecting of Israel A. Current regathering B. Future regathering during Tribulation and Kingdom IV. Chastisement of Israel V. Comfort of Israel VI. Conversion of Israel VII. Commission of Israel

[@ryankittle3431]

He will be PostMill in no time.

[@rossjpurdy]

🤣🤣🤣

[@kylec8950]

Hope so!

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: They reject the word dispensation entirely, even though it is found at least 4 times in the KJV along with many other allusions to the word dispensation. They are heaping to themselves teachers according to their own lusts. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[@littlefoot5013]

I'm leaning a-mil. Post-mil has loads of problems too.

[@victordee2287]

We NEED men that are willing and able to be much tougher on the heresy of dispensationalism. These fellas are indeed intelligent, but they project weakness. This fragility is actually a good metaphor to the modern western church.

[@toddstevens9667]

Dispensationalism is a heresy? Project weakness? What does that even mean? How exactly is dispensationalism heretical? Not, is right or wrong? But what makes is heresy? Does it teach a false way of salvation? Do you put it in the same category as Mormons, Roman Catholics, or Jehovah’s Witnesses? Can I assume you believe in covenantal theology rather than dispensationalism?

[@mkshffr4936]

Heresy is bit over the top.

[@MrJoebrooklyn1969]

​@toddstevens9667 because it was never believer by all people at all times. That's the test and it fails miserable along with most of Protestantism.

[@toddstevens9667]

@@MrJoebrooklyn1969 Hate to tell ya … but no doctrine has been believed by all people at all times … not even during the Apostolic era.

[@MrJoebrooklyn1969]

@toddstevens9667 it's a little bit of an exaggeration but that is the standard by which heresy should be judged.

[@Revolver1701]

I plan to get your book. I grew up being taught Dispensationalism as the norm. Later I learned other views. John Gerstner wrote “Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth” which is also a fun title. I appreciate this channel.

[@christalone71]

That was my background too. I was in the IFBC (gasp!) And the Lord saved me and got me out of it into a reformed church where I learned real Bible doctrine. It's been such a blessing to find this channel. It needs more views & subscribers!

[@randylplampin1326]

One of the features overlooked by the adherents of dispensationalism is its claim that certain prophetic events are yet to be fulfilled in the future which implies that Jesus cannot return at this very moment because these so-called events have not yet taken place. A second claim is that God saved man in different ways at different times. This claim by Darby contradicts the statement in Hebrews that says that nothing ever pleased God except faith (Hebrews 11:6). Some dispensational teachers have recognized this problem and are trying to distance themselves from this heretical view by contradicting Darby. And many dispensational teachers contradict each other to the point of violent accusations.

[@RanknFileX.192]

I really appreciate the direct style of the interview! I am a High Church (Anglican/Lutheran) layperson with a Master degree in Theology (I only mention it b/c we exist and care about the direction the Church is taking). I think it important Prof. Hummel is trying to reach a broader audience! Dispensationaism must be challenged aggressively!! I am broad-minded enough to live and let live, but it is heresy (no burning at the stake though 😅)!! The literal interpretation (with no nuance or appreciation for figurative language) is too much! The worldview for most white Dispensationalists is hateful, conspiratorial, racist and imperialist (the West is the best!). Where is our Lord's compassion for his weak creatures? Our faith recognizes no nationality, race, ethnicity, caste, wealth/class (I am a communist!) or secular rank. We are One in the Lord!! 🙏🙏🙏🥰🥰🥰

[@preacherofthecross]

Wow, I really like listening to this guy. Does he have any website or teachings available?

[@MariaVazquez-du3st]

Israel rose and fell but the Gospel revealed to the apostle Paul did not rise and fall. That is the answer to that very rudimentary question.

[@johno2277]

The problem with Dispensationalism is their foundation. Their key passages actually turn God/Jesus into "Antichrist/Modern Israel." Therefore, Dispensationalism is idolatrous and blasphemous.

[@PD-iu9bn]

You talking about Daniel 9:27?

[@johno2277]

@@PD-iu9bn Gen 12:3, Mt 22:1-14, 2Th2, et al, & Yes. The leading Jewish-American Hebrew Translator, Dr Al Garza writes: "Based on the Hebrew of Daniel 9:27 it should be read as such, "And He (Messiah) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week He (Messiah) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease ( In the Temple), and for the overspreading of abominations, He (Messiah) shall make [The Temple] desolate, even until the consummation and that determined (By Messiah) shall be poured upon the desolate (The Temple)."

[@PD-iu9bn]

@@johno2277 Yeah, but it doesn’t work. There are two main reasons it doesn’t work, but I don’t imagine you care to hear them. And/or if I explained them to you you would reject them, so I am not motivated to spend the time and energy on it.

[@johno2277]

@@PD-iu9bn Hi PD, I'd love to hear the explanation. We can run it by Dr Garza as well. He's a really cool and helpful resource for the Hebrew OT & Hebrew NT grammar & research.

[@PD-iu9bn]

@@johno2277 two main issues, one grammatical and one chronological. Grammatical issue is the rule of nearest antecedent. Explanation: The people who destroyed Jerusalem and the temple were Roman soldiers on AD 70. The prince mentioned in that verse will be a ‘nagiyd’ or leader of those people. In other words he will be of European descent. The “he” in verse 27 will apply to the nearest antecedent, in this case that prince who is to come of the Romans. Chronological issue is the end of the 69th seven and beginning of the 70th. The passage CLEARLY says Messiah will be killed after the 69th seven. The covenant with the many marks the beginning of the 70th week. The New Covenant was instituted in the upper room on day 6 of the Passion week, so that can’t be it. Christ’s crucifixion happens after the 69th week (that is, the 69th seven has already been completed before Jesus’ death). Chronologically there’s no way to reconcile all those things in a way that fits with the idea that Jesus is one who confirms the covenant with the many. It just doesn’t work.

[@donaldfarrell-c2j]

what made me switch was Jesus going into the 3rd Temple. making Jesus a sinner. Romans 7:7 and 1John3:4 defines sin. 1st sin. a Jew going into a Levitical tribe priesthood only temple. sin #2. Jesus breaking an oath. Psalm 110:4 the Father takes an oath and the writer of Hebrews places that oath on Jesus. if Jesus goes into this 3rd temple He violates the FAther's oath for Him. sin #3. Ezekiel 45:21 the prince (supposedly Jesus) offers a sin offering for Himself and the people. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!! " and the Sinless One shall prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering. Hebrews 10:12-13. sorry no more sacrifices after the cross. peace.

[@toddstevens9667]

What surprises me is that there are so many comments referring to dispensationalism as evil, wicked, the devil, and heretical. That’s just a bunch of nonsense. You might disagree with the system, but there is nothing evil, wicked, devilish, or heretical about it. Dispensationalism comes from Christians reading the Bible, believing it, and trying to come up with a system to make sense of it all. They are Biblical literalists and inerrantists. They believe that salvation comes exclusively through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. They reject wholeheartedly any type of works salvation. They are not evil, wicked, devilish, or heretical. They just have a different understanding of how to put all that stuff you find in the Bible in some sort of logical order. But they have verses and passages that really do support their system, just like you do. The Bible is not a theology textbook. It does not explain every aspect of everything we might want to know. We sometimes differ on exactly how to understand the flow of history and theology in the Bible. Those who disagree with you are not necessarily evil, wicked, devilish, or heretical. Most of you need to take a step back and put things in perspective: you can disagree without demonizing.

[@mkshffr4936]

Yes, we don't want to emulate their slander of Calvinists with our slander of their eschatology. There is a place for sincere disagreement and even error as none of us have everything correct.

[@toddstevens9667]

@@mkshffr4936 lol

[@Lena.9]

The dispensational system is maybe not *in* the camp of the enemy. But it is creating a defense wall for the enemy camp. Even if they don’t mean to. That wall is the stumbling block they create for the Jews by assisting / encouraging them to rebuild a third temple. Start sacrificing again and thereby continue to trample the blood of Jesus. That’s helping the enemy, not helping spreading the Gospel.

[@toddstevens9667]

@@Lena.9 That’s just plain silly. I don’t know a single dispensationalist ministry (except maybe John Hagee) that doesn’t want the Jews to repent and place their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. I’ve heard hundreds of dispensational ministries ask for money for Jewish evangelism, and never one ask for money to help the Jews build a third Temple. They all believe that it will be built because of 2 Thess. 2. But they all believe (once again, except John Hagee) that Jews must repent and believe to be saved. (I keep mentioning John Hagee because his international ministry headquarters is just a couple miles from my house.)

[@toolegittoquit_001]

The overall thrust of the Dspy perspective has some significant errors

[@TimeToFlush]

Maybe modern views of eschatology are crafted by those who are gatekeepers to our the movies we watch, the news we listen to, and history we read. One could argue all that influence has greatly favored unrepentant Israel. I was taught from the beginning of my Christian education that "eschatology matters." I mean just imagine going through the tribulation and on day 1,290 your wife turns to you and says, "I don't know how much more I can take; I don't think I'm going to make it another day." And you remember this Bible verse you memorized and say to her, Daniel 12:11-12 "From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. "How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!" Come on baby it's almost over; aren't you curious what this blessing will be?"

[@rossjpurdy]

There has been so much horse poo hit piece revisionist history written about Disp. but this looks to be a refreshing accurate history. I am looking forward to reading it.

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

[@johngalt4657]

DISPENSATIONALISM is nothing BUT HORSE POO!!! IT IS A HERETICAL FALSE TEACHING.

[@cavumusic]

Do historic premillennialists believe that a future kingdom will have glorified believers and unbelievers cohabiting the earth? How would that work?

[@markedwards5883]

Just like Jesus living with us after his resurrection

[@RevJoshuaBovis]

I don't think so. At the end of Rev.19, all unbelievers have died. They are resurrected at the second resurrection (Rev.20:5) and make up God and Magog (Rev.20:7-10)

[@trainstation1647]

I stumbled onto this video after spending several days in dialogue with two ultra-dispensationalists. Had no idea how extreme these viewpoints can drift, to the point where they believe that of both the old and new testaments, only the Pauline epistles have any relevance to the church today. Even going so far as to claim that the teachings of Jesus were directed solely to Israel, which apparently no longer exists in today’s “age of grace”, but will return immediately after the rapture. They consider water baptism, the Great Commission and even the Lord’s Prayer as examples of “works” and therefore irrelevant for those in the body of Christ. They say nonsensical things like: “No member of the Body of Christ is "born again" because we are NEW CREATIONS. Israel has to be born again, and she will when Jesus returns to earth to establish His Earthly Kingdom, as promised to Israel (not us).” These people spend all day every day on social media, run online Bible studies, produce nifty-looking infographics and memes… I’m just really disturbed that they are leading so many astray. But it also makes me wonder, if dispensationalism can be taken to this extreme, could the progenitors have had a political agenda to introduce dualism as the lens through which they exposited the Bible? Like, on the surface it *appears* philo-Semitic … but once you peel back a few layers, the people being drawn to this worldview can barely hide their contempt for Judaism and the Jewish people. To the extent that they can’t even tolerate the thought of being part of the same flock, the same olive tree, the one people of God. Sinister is an understatement.

[@dfkuz]

In 2007 a publisher picked up my manuscript for a novel based on a Mid-Acts dispensational view of the pre-trib rapture, trib, second coming, "Covenant With My Chosen," by Deborah L. Kuzenski. Since then, however, I've recanted my Mid-Acts views of "rightly dividing the word of truth." I learned the difference between the Greeks in Paul's Acts churches and the kind of Gentiles (pagans) that were saved around the time that Paul wrote to the Ephesians and Colossians by the free gift of Ephesians 2:8 & 9. After the Jews were let go in Acts 28:28-31, I believe now that Israel lost their kingdom hope completely, and Paul never mentioned it again or even quoted from the Old Testament again (I've been told). What I'm trying to say is that the entire Bible is to, for, and about the nation of Israel and her on again, off again relationship with her estranged husband, God. The Gentiles that the KJV calls Greeks were, like Cornelius, friends of Israel and had probably donated money to their synagogues, and as such they came under and were blessed by the covenants of promise. Those Gentiles were fulfilling the prophecy of Deuteronomy 32:21 and Paul's explanation in Romans 11:11 (prophecy as opposed to our "mystery." The Jews in Paul's churches were still obeying the Mosaic Law (Acts 21:20, etc.) and it complemented the gospel of salvation by faith alone in Christ alone, and the Greeks were asked to observe ordinances that would make it possible for them to study Torah with the Jews in the same spaces and not offend them. After Acts 28, the Jewish saints and Greeks in Christ went into a holding pattern while their kingdom hope slowly died out with them; and during that time, in fulfillment of Acts 28:28, some blood-drinking, pork-eating pagans suddenly believed in Jesus Christ and his death, burial and resurrection and wanted to have his saving work at Calvary applied to themselves. Unlike the Greeks, these pagans were "aliens from the commonwealth of Israel," and "strangers from the covenants of promise," etc. (Eph. 2:11-13 KJV) which is the state of all humans on earth born ever since! There are no Jews in the eyes of God no matter what labels people may choose to wear. There is no strong evidence that at some future point, God will fulfill Israel's prophecy or promises. I believe if he was going to do that, he would have done it in the first century so as to honor his Son's promise to return in his followers' lifetime (Matt. 16:28; 10:23) and Paul's repetition of that promise in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, and in 1 Corinthians 15. Christ will return in an "appearing," (Col. 3:4, etc.) and establish the kingdom he will inherit from his Father and share with the "one new man" that is made of twain with the saints prior to Acts 28:28-31 and the former pagans saved by the free gift of Ephesians 2:8 & 9 following that time, who is to become (or already is) the "fellow heir" of Christ (Ephesians 3:6). This is somewhat like dispensationalism I know but isn't the word, 'dispensation," a biblical one? What it means, though, is that seekers and believers today should not be directed to a section of the Bible that dealt exclusively with Jews and Greeks and a gospel that did have a component of showing faith by works (even if the works did not save)! Our marching orders for all believers today are the rather small directions for pagans to be saved and then walk worthy of that salvation in only two books of the Bible: Ephesians and Colossians. The remainder of the post-Acts writings of Paul deal with the care and keeping of the disappointed Jews and Greeks as they fade from the scene and the converted pagans carry on God's work of salvation as best they can with very little to go on, and then the "church fathers" came along to muddy the waters even further by applying the doctrines for the now-defunct kingdom hope of Israel to themselves and everyone else that came along! It's time to recover the basic truth of the difference between the Jews' relationship with God that for a short time involved Gentile "Greeks" - and the relationship we pagans are offered by the grace of a free gift from a God that remains largely silent in heaven until he breaks into the affairs of men once more by sending back his Son!

[@chadmeidl1140]

SID PALMER You are confusing the beliefs of Mid-Acts Dispensationalism and Acts 2 Dispensationalism. "Even going so far as to claim that the teachings of Jesus were directed solely to Israel, which apparently no longer exists in today’s “age of grace”, but will return immediately after the rapture." I wonder where they got that idea? JESUS COMMISSIONING THE TWELVE: MATTHEW 10:5-8 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, *Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:* *6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.* 7And as ye go, preach, saying, *The kingdom of heaven is at hand.* THE COMMISSION AFTER THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS: MARK 16:18 15And he said unto them, *Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.* 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; *but he that believeth not shall be damned.* *17And these signs shall follow them that believe;* In my name shall they *cast out devils;* they shall *speak with new tongues;* 18They shall *take up serpents;* and if they *drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;* they *shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.* GOD GIVES THE VISION TO PETER AFTER JESUS' ASCENTION ACTS 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an *unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation;* *but God hath shewed me* that I should not call any man common or unclean. Jesus states the Apostles are to go to Jews ONLY. (Matthew 10:5-8) Jesus commands the Apostles to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. This is still the gospel of the Kingdom. NOTICE that signs WILL follow them that believe. Do you have ALL these signs? You must not believe. PETER states that it is UNLAWFUL for a Jew to keep company or COME UNTO ANOTHER NATION, BUT GOD SHOWED him the vision with the sheet and the unclean animals. Therefore until Acts 10 the gentiles WERE NOT preached the gospel of the Kingdom, but the gospel of the GRACE OF GOD. Peter Preached the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for his sins. The reference to *creature* in Mark 16:15 is a Jew. A creature can be an animal. (Genesis 9:10) Yet animals do not need to hear the gospel. CONTEXT determines the definition of the word "creature". EPHESIANS 3:1-6 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3How that by revelation he made known unto me the *mystery;* (as I wrote afore in few words, 4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) *5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men,* as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6That the *Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:* The gospel of the Kingdom cannot be the same as the gospel that was revealed to Paul. The gentiles were EXCLUDED from it. The gospel declared by Paul (1 Cor. 15:1-4) makes the gentiles Fellowheirs with the JEWS in the same BODY. GALATIANS 1:11-12 But I certify you, brethren, that the *gospel which was preached of me is not after man.* *12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.* The gospel of Salvation was received by Paul from Jesus Christ Himself. It was a MYSTERY. The Apostles did not understand the death, burial and resurrection: MARK 9:32 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. *32But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.* LUKE 9:44-45 Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. *45But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not:* and they feared to ask him of that saying. LUKE 18:32 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. 32For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: 33And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. *34And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.* Is it sinister to rightly divide the scripture or to be ignorant of it?

[@dfkuz]

@@chadmeidl1140 You are definitely on the right track, Chad! You would enjoy the recent teachings of Brother Rick Aden, on his KZbin channel, "Are You Muddy?"! Do you consider yourself Mid Acts then?

[@chadmeidl1140]

@@dfkuz No. Acts 2.

[@dfkuz]

@@chadmeidl1140 Have you sold all of your possessions yet? If there’s a big screen TV, I’d be interested.

[@bethprather9241]

I'm still a bit confused. Praying to learn.. **** What does it mean to be saved ? Is straight out if Romans. I absolutely believe that only belief in Jesus whom died for our sins and rose again.. It is by grace you are saved not works should anyone bost....Paul in Romans and more

[@mbfrommb3699]

Yep you're saved. The simple good news is we are sinners and that we can't do enough to save ourselves. People believe in religion, the Jews in Jesus's day trusted in their ability as they saw it to keep the law. We can't keep the law or earn our way to Heaven. Jesus came to make a way by His death on the cross to pay the penalty in full for all our sins. So when we trust in Him instead of ourselves to save us, He does. John 6:40 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me (The Father), that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” Hope this helps. Take care.

[@normmcinnis4102]

The Bible does say that there is the "time of the Gentiles" which we call the church age, and the "time of Jacob's trouble" which would be the 70th week of Daniel. Not sure if we'd call these dispensations.

[@AmandaAne]

@Lisaann7 Thank you for your blessing. I have tried multiple times to reply to your comment, but it has been highlighted and my comments don't get to you. Bad things happen to us all in life, thanks to the sin that entered the world with Adam and Eve's fall. But God will redeem His earth very, very soon. Please be encouraged to look up! Romans 8: 35-39 has called my attention as superb evidence for both Dispensationalism and a Pre-Tribulation Rapture: Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakendness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[@AmandaAne]

@Lisaann7 If the Apostle Paul tells us that NOTHING can separate us from the love of God, but John the Revelator writes that the Mark of the Beast will separate those who take it from God forever, which is correct?? Is this a contradiction? No, because we know the Word of God is infallible!! These verses are proof of Dispensationalism and a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. If the Apostle Paul knew the Body of Christ was going to go through the Tribulation, he would have written about the Mark of the Beast to warn us. But he doesn't ever warn us-instead he writes that NOTHING can separate us, the Body of Christ- from God's love!! We can't be here for the Time of Jacob’s Trouble, or these words were lies, but we know they are absolute truth from a God who loves us and will come for us!! THEN, the dispensation changes and John's Revelation words come into play... Be blessed, dear sister!! God loves us--He came down from glory to die for us to pay our sin penalty, and then HE ROSE AGAIN! So will we!! Amen!!

[@DonaldGarcia-hi2cv]

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[@sgabig]

@9:50 Darby dividing people of the earth vs heaven ...Catholic church teaching divides the church into the church Militant on earth vs Church triumphant in heaven but it is still one church ⛪

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: They reject the word dispensation entirely, even though it is found at least 4 times in the KJV along with many other allusions to the word dispensation. They are heaping to themselves teachers according to their own lusts. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[@bigtobacco1098]

Been waiting for the rapture for 50 years...

[@phillipsugwas]

I would suggest you read some scholarly views on it which extend beyond the views of the usual supporters of this idea. Americans need to actually start to think more critically- and less inductively.

[@bigtobacco1098]

@@phillipsugwas Bible College graduate... grew up in this garbage

[@nottalackey3587]

Dispensationalism is doomed. The statute of limitations has run on it. Israel was founded in 1948. The generation has long run (30-40 years biblically). The only hope is that it lasts until the last living Jew in 1948 dies but that is a real stretch. Hal Lindsey, Rapturist in Chief said the rapture would be in 1981.

[@Lisaann7]

Agreed. That’s what made me question the theology. I am 56. My mom was born in 48. They are now saying maybe the clock started in 67 lol! The more I learn, the better I understand how false the doctrine is.

[@AmandaAne]

Prophecy hasn't begun yet...the clock starts when Daniel's 70th week (the Tribulation) begins--the prophecies continue there, right where they left off at the 69th week. We can't misinterpret Scripture and then blame Dispensationalism for the misinterpretation.

[@Lisaann7]

@@AmandaAne lol yeah right. Because God always pauses what he’s doing for 2000 years lol

[@AmandaAne]

@@Lisaann7 I wouldn't laugh at God's plans--His ways are higher than our ways. We all see through a glass dimly and cannot completely understand everything, but the difference is the Dispensationalist has faith in the blessed hope of Titus 2:13--the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ! What is the hope for those who have to survive in the Time of Jacob's Trouble? A quick and painless death? But a 2000 year pause on prophecy to form the Body of Christ makes sense to me, especially if we consider a 7,000 year total plan for time, before eternity begins...

[@AmandaAne]

I hope this encourages you--check out Luke 4: 16-21... Why did the Lord Jesus Christ read from Isaiah 61, and not complete the rest of verse 2: "To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;" He stopped just before "and the day of vengeance of our God." Why?! Because he knew that day of vengeance (Daniels' 70th Week/The Tribulation) would been on pause--a future event--since the Jews would reject Him, the Lord Jesus, as Messiah. The vengeance wasn't going to come in one swoop with the Messiah and Kingship and world-governing as the Jews originally understood. The Messiah was instead rejected. How else could God save mankind if the Jews--who were prophesied throughout the Scriptures to lead the Gentiles to God and salvation--were not on board? Hence the Apostle Paul to reach Gentiles and the preaching of the Gospel of Grace! And yes, a 2000 years of forming the Body of Christ. God bless you all.

[@MichaelV-o3e]

I get a real kick out of people who are against dispensationalism when the word dispensation is found in the scriptures. Rightly dividing the word of God is important to know who it is taking to and who it applies to. Here is just one example David in the psalms prayed for the Lord to not take his Holy Spirit from him. Nobody that has been born again should ever pray that prayer because we are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. Now I am not saying not to ask for the fullness of the Holy Spirit but simply that we are his and he will never leave us or forsake us because when he purchases us with his own blood that is when the Holy spirit takes residence in the believer. No one in the Old Testament was born again. This also isn’t to say that everyone who believes in dispensationalism is always rightly dividing the word of truth. The Kingdom of heaven is not the same as the Kingdom of God. One is physical and one is spiritual. The bible says the kingdom of God dwelleth in you. It’s not Christs Physical Kingdom that dwells in us but his spiritual kingdom through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. We are not baptized unto John’s baptism. Our baptism is not to make our way strait because the kingdom of heaven is at hand. You read in the book of Mathew if thy right hand offends thee cut it off or if thy right eye offends thee pluck it out it is better to have one hand than two to be cast into hell fire. Now if you think this applies to you then tell me where are all the one-eyed Christians or one-handed ones? don’t spiritualize this brother he is talking about swift judgment when he sets up his earthly kingdom. Need more proof? If thou say unto thy brother Raca thou shall be in danger of the council. WHAT COUNCIL? DONT, YOU DARE SPIRITUALISE THIS TO FIT YOUR OWN NARATIVE! But if thou say to thy brother thou fool, thou shall be in danger of hell fire. Swift judgement carried out by the Lord Jesus when he set up rulers and councils to carry out his judgments when he sits on his throne in Jerusalem. This may apply to us in principal but when it is that specific it doesn’t apply to us doctrinally at all. It is talking about a different time period a different dispensation.

[@mkshffr4936]

I get a kick out of people who object to predestination as the word is literally in the Bible. The devil is in the details. Rightly dividing is not the same thing as chopping up into stew meat or hamburger.

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: They reject the word dispensation entirely, even though it is found at least 4 times in the KJV along with many other allusions to the word dispensation. They are heaping to themselves teachers according to their own lusts. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[@oracleoftroy]

I'm sorry, but why do dispies seem to think this is a good argument? I've seen several comments reason this way. A word being in scripture does not mean an entire system of thought named using that word is true. Is gnosticism true because the Bible speaks of knowledge? Is baal worship true because the Bible speaks of it? Maybe the circumcision party was right because the Bible speaks of circumcision?

[@1lebero]

I hate to break the news to you and your bubble, but Dispensationalism is alive and well. As Mark Twain stated: "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”

[@ishiftfocus1769]

Salvation today is only on the basis of the death, blood, and resurrection of God manifest in the flesh for your sins.
This is the only gospel that saves today.
There is more than one gospel in the Bible. If you understand the gospel of Christ, you can identify what is not ( Deut. 6:25; Matt. 3:2; John 3:16; Acts 2:38). There is only one gospel by which sinners are saved in this day of grace, the gospel of the grace of God, which is called in Ephesians 1:13, ‘the gospel of your salvation.’ No one has ever been saved except on the grounds of the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: They reject the word dispensation entirely, even though it is found at least 4 times in the KJV along with many other allusions to the word dispensation. They are heaping to themselves teachers according to their own lusts. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[@undergroundpublishing]

If this guy has his training in history, how did he miss that Darby got his Dispensationalism from Emmanuel Lacuza via Edward Irving, who got it from Irenaeus? This is from Book I of Irenaeus' Against Heresies. Chapter X.-Unity of the faith of the Church throughout the whole world. 1. The Church, though dispersed through our the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostlesand their disciplesthis faith: [She believes]in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one ChristJesus, the Son of God, who becameincarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets THE DISPENSATIONS OF GOD, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His [future] manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father “to gather all things in one,” and to raise up anew all flesh of the wholehuman race, in orderthat to ChristJesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, “every knee should bow, of thingsin heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongueshould confess”to Him, and that He shouldexecute just judgment towards all; that He may send “spiritualwickednesses,”1 and the angels who transgressed and became apostates, together with the ungodly,and unrighteous, and wicked, and profane among men, into everlasting fire; but may, in the exercise of His grace, confer immortality on the righteous, and holy, and those who have kept His commandments, and have persevered in His love, some from the beginning [of their Christian course], and others from [the date of] their repentance, and may surround them with everlasting glory. He uses the term "dispensation" dozens of times to disucss God's varied and progressive historical programs throughout the ages, not just in the sense that Paul uses it. Also, you can find Mid-Trib Dispensationalist Premillennialism fully formed in Barnabas, Irenaeus, and Hippolytus. Associating Dispensationalism with Free Grace is just a falsehood. About half of tis adherents are Welyans and Pentecostals, who believe you can lose your salvation. Dispensationalism was very popular in the Holyness movmeent, that had a high view of holiness to maintain one's salvation. This seems like a blatant attempt to associate Dispensationalism with things already antithetical to Calvinism, so as to gather all Calvinists into the novel camp of partial-preterism.

[@markedwards5883]

I don't think you read Against Heresies. Irenaeus is just giving events that happen. He's not referring to pre trib rapture or other heresies because what he lists are actual events that are part of Christianity.

[@ESCHATOLOGYERIC]

Can you believe that the kingdom of Israel will be restored in the future as the apostles did in Acts 1:6 and Romans 11:26 and be non-dispensational?

[@eschatology_matters]

Many non-dispensationals would see a future move of God for ethnic Israel. That being said, they would not bifurcate that into a seperate "kingdom" or "their kingdom". There is one, united kingdom for the people of God.

[@ESCHATOLOGYERIC]

Thanks for your reply. I would agree that there is one united kingdom for the people of God. I believe every believer, Jew and Gentile, will reign with Christ on earth (Rev. 5:10) when Israel's kingdom is reestablished. This would be followed by the eternal state comprised of the new heavens, new earth, and New Jerusalem. Would that be considered "progressive dispensationalism?"

[@BrotherInChrist]

Yes. Chiliasm, the belief of the apostles and earliest NT church fathers.

[@toddstevens9667]

I think that’s an excellent question.

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: They reject the word dispensation entirely, even though it is found at least 4 times in the KJV along with many other allusions to the word dispensation. They are heaping to themselves teachers according to their own lusts. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[@jjmulvihill]

Dispensationals have stolen from covenantalists giving dispensations of covenants. Ugh!

[@impalaman9707]

I've always associated pre-millenial dispensationalism more with the "Jesus Hippies" and Pentecostals, Calvary Chapel, Charismatics and the like. These are the people that were singing Psalms of David in church--dancing and clapping to a Hebrew beat

[@toddstevens9667]

Is that a positive thing? Or negative?

[@impalaman9707]

@@toddstevens9667 Positive!

[@JM24180]

@@toddstevens9667negative for me. They’re embarrassing.

[@toddstevens9667]

@@JM24180 Well, it’s interesting that these things are associated with dispensationalism since none of its systematizers in the 19th and early 20th centuries would have imagined that their ideas might be adopted by those groups. As someone much older (certainly older than the Jesus Hippies and much of the charismatic nonsense of the late 20th centuries), I don’t really associate dispensationalism with any of those movements. Mainly, of course, because I grew up before they existed, at least where I lived. I associate it with Southern Baptist conservatism, biblical literalism, and biblical inerrantism.

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: They reject the word dispensation entirely, even though it is found at least 4 times in the KJV along with many other allusions to the word dispensation. They are heaping to themselves teachers according to their own lusts. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[@igregmart]

Amillenialism is Biblical.

[@KevinLee-zv5bb]

It is.

[@pauldelaney5990]

👍

[@mkshffr4936]

I have come from the Dispy world and am now Post. I strongly reject my previous understanding but I think we need to avoid the burn the heretics at the stake mentality that I am seeing in the comments.

[@toolegittoquit_001]

Post Mil just makes more sense

[@StreetMinistry]

Their is a big difference in Dispensationalist and Hyper- Dispositionalist

[@granthodges3012]

I enjoyed the comment that Darby and Scofield would not recognize it if they were called dispensationalists. This brings to mind that there perhaps are other aspects to this conflict which I see as between those who believe in the Rapture and salvation by grace alone, and the Reformed faction. As the Reformed groups have risen they have chased from the semnaries and many pulpits those who preached the Pre-Trib Rapture. I see this as a conflict between literal grammatical-historical interpretation and allegorization that is increasingly coming in to vogue. Give an ear to N. T Wright and you will hear allegorical interpretation in his explanation of the Rapture. I want to challenge all Reformed believers, especially those who oppose what they now call Christian Zionists. Read Romans 11 aloud while substituting the phrase "The Church" everywhere you see the word Israel or a pronoun referring back to Israel. If you do it thoughtfully, you will have to adjust your theology. Let God be true and every man a liar!

[@wadejnelson]

then there's the new book Discovering Dispensationalism

[@eschatology_matters]

We are interviewing both authors tomorrow at the same time for a discussion on the history of dispensationalism

[@Ocapela215]

Don't mention the red heiffer... 😣

[@Wally-m9y]

Billy Graham was fundamentalist/Arminian...NO doubt.

[@Bukachimy]

I wonder why dispensationalism is so much under attack today yet we have scriptural evidence spread out all over the bible in favor of this doctrine. Just one example: 1Peter 1:10 " Concerning this salvation, the prophets who spoke [of the grace that was to come], searched intently and with the greatest care, trying to find out [the time and circumstances] to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. It was revealed to them [that they were not serving themselves but you], when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent to you. Even angels long to look into these things." Another closely related bible verse: Hebrews 11:39 "These were all commended for their faith, yet [none of them received what had been promised]. God had planned something better for us so that [only together with us] would they be made perfect." Correct me if I am wrong. But it better be convincing, not vague.

[@phillipsugwas]

Actually the reverse is true. Read some neutral scholars on this.

[@Bukachimy]

@@phillipsugwas Why scholars? The bible is replete with examples. I have given just a few.

[@HermeneuticsMatter]

Dispensationalism never left, and it’s very sad to see so many falling away from complete dispensationalism. It’s why we’re seeing so much antisemitism and awful theology.

[@bop-ya-good]

Paul established a dispensation. Fact

[@EDD519]

Christianity , is JESUS CHRIST ! and nothing else !

[@greengateacreshomestead4324]

you do know the miss represent someone is a sin right ? Mcarthur does not believe in a mental salvation, why do you all make stuff up.

[@eschatology_matters]

Time stamp where this was stated?

[@greengateacreshomestead4324]

@@eschatology_matters 1130 . If you talk about Mcarhtur at least be clear - he (Mcarthur) said of himself to be at best a leaky dispensationalist.

[@toolegittoquit_001]

​@@greengateacreshomestead4324Still a Dispy though

[@mbfrommb3699]

@@eschatology_matters Part 1/2 I have no issue with the video, except that as a historian, not once did this gentleman ever mention Irenaeus, Hippolytus, Ephrem, Victorinus, etc. Who all wrote commentaries on Eschatology from post 135 AD-400 AD. There are 200+ years of Church history where entire books were written by early Christian fathers. Why wasn't this mentioned? If you want to know the origins of Dispensationalism from an Eschatological standpoint that's where I would look and I'm just a nobody. Virtually every video I see against "Dispensationalism" says it began with Darby or Scofield a few hundred years ago. Yet I have books on my bookshelf from 1995 that recorded these early writers' quotes. Ken Johnson TH.D has compiled sections of these manuscripts in a book called "The End Times by the Ancient Church Fathers." Now we can debate his commentary on the commentaries but most of the book is simply chapters and chapters of these writings. I would order this book for $10 or whatever it is on Amazon and read it. I don't know how you can read it and not come away thinking Dispensationalism Premillennialism isn't a core doctrine of the early Church Fathers. We can have the debate as to whether or not Dispensationalism is a biblical view but I've been studying and teaching on this topic for 30+ years and I am blown away at the amount of videos that don't reference these works and don't or can't explain Dispensationalism as far as it applies to Scripture. Just from a biblical standpoint, I have never heard a Postmill or a Amill teacher ever describe the 2nd Coming as Jesus did. Postmills are optimistic that the world will become more Christian and that Jesus will return to a saved world. Amills as I understand are not as optimistic but still see a world with a majority of Christians. They don't see a specific timeframe for this to be completed. So here's the problem even without putting a name to my Eschatological views Jesus in Matthew 24 NLT tells us what the world will look like when He returns 21 For there will be greater anguish than at any time since the world began. And it will never be so great again. 22 In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, not a single person will survive. But it will be shortened for the sake of God’s chosen ones...29 “Immediately after the anguish of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will give no light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. So whatever our Eschatological view is, it has to show how humanity and the world are is the greatest anguish in all of human history, that it's a time of terribleness we can't fathom. Worse, than the flood, worse than the plagues in Egypt, worse than life under Nero, worse than WW1 and WW2 with the Holocaust. That if Jesus delayed His return humanity would cause its own extinction. Jesus reiterates this point in Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. What was it like in Noah's day? Genesis 6: 5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” We all know that the LORD has 2 judgments of the earth first it was the Flood by water next time it'll be by fire. Now many believe that the Judgment of fire that will come well be when He creates the New Heaven and New Earth but the Judgment of the Flood was on people all over the Earth. Does the creation of the New Heaven and Earth include the burning up of billions on the earth as a Judgment? I have never heard anyone say that the creation of the New Earth involves the incineration of people as a Judgment as was growing in the flood. So where is the Judgment of fire on humanity? My guess is that it is happening on the earth just prior to Jesus's Second Coming in some way since Jesus says "27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed." So right off the bat, I have an issue with the views we have today from an Escatoligical framework based on the picture Jesus creates. The second thing I have an issue with is where do people place the 70th week of Daniel? Some think that Dispensationalism has this arbitrary time of 7 years except it's not arbitrary. Daniel 9 is very clear. Gabriel comes to Daniel and says "22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, “O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you skill to understand. 23 At the beginning of your supplications the command went out, and I have come to tell you, for you are greatly beloved; therefore consider the matter, and understand the vision:..." Where did the command come from? Clearly the LORD. “Seventy weeks are determined (specific timeframe) For your people and for your holy city, (Daniel's people are the Jews and his holy city; Jerusalem) To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, (these things are ONLY accomplished through Jesus) To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy. (When the Jews and Jerusalem receive Jesus and anoint Him as the Most Holy, the prophecy will be complete.) So the key isn't the 70 weeks, the key is that the Jews and Jerusalem will realize who their Messiah is and accept Jesus as Him and anoint Him as the Most Holy. When this happens the 70 weeks of this prophecy will be complete. Has it happened yet? No. That is evident for every Christian in the world to see. The prophecy goes on: “Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem (Event #1) Until Messiah the Prince, (Event #2) There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; (Specific timeframe and not the full 70 weeks but 69 weeks) The command to rebuild Jerusalem is in Nehemiah 2:1-6 and we know based on Nehemiah 2:1 this occurs in 445BC Now no Jew or Christian believes the Messiah came 69 literal weeks later in 444BC. So there's some study to do here. the rest of 25 says Jerusalem will be rebuilt during troublesome times. They were rebuilding the Temple but had no city walls for protection and so there were attacks and such. Nehemiah 2: So I became dreadfully afraid, 3 and said to the king, “May the king live forever! Why should my face not be sad, when the city, the place of my fathers’ tombs, lies waste, and its gates are burned with fire?” Verse 26 “And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; ("Cut off" means suffers the death penalty or a violent death) And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. (this was 70AD) The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. So the Messiah would suffer the death penalty or a violent death after 69 weeks and before the Temple and Jerusalem would be destroyed by a group of people who will have a prince in the future. So what is a "week"? Numbers 14: 32 But as for you, your carcasses shall fall in this wilderness. 33 And your sons shall be shepherds in the wilderness forty years, and bear the brunt of your infidelity, until your carcasses are consumed in the wilderness. 34 According to the number of the days in which you spied out the land, forty days, for each day you shall bear your guilt one year, namely forty years, and you shall know My rejection. Ezekiel 4: 5 For I have laid on you the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days; so you shall bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. 6 And when you have completed them, lie again on your right side; then you shall bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days. I have laid on you a day for each year. What if 1 day is 1 year and 7 days is 1 week? This means that 69 weeks = 483 years. Now as a Jew in the first Century all they would have to do is take the date on their calendar for the command to rebuild Jerusalem and add 483 years to see the Messiah suffer the death penalty. For us, it's more complicated. Notice we know the date of Event #1 by our Gregorian calendar which is a solar calendar of 365.25 days. What the Jews would have had is the date from creation and a calendar that uses a 360 day lunar calendar. We don't have the Hebrew start date of 445 BC. (Part 2 I will show what the early Christians understood)

[@mbfrommb3699]

@@eschatology_matters Part 2/2 Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." 2nd Month 17th Day. Genesis 8: 3 And the waters receded continually from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days (150 days) the waters decreased. 4 Then the ark rested in the seventh month, the seventeenth day of the month, on the mountains of Ararat." 7th Month, 17th Day. (5 months later =150 days means each month is 30 days). Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord. One new moon to another is 30 days x 12 months = 360 days per year. Daniel 9 shows us a 360 day calendar as well. History also shows that Babylon and places in the known world used a 360-day-per-year calendar during that time. www.theworldcalendar.org/the-calendars-of-ancient-egypt-and-babylon/ "Babylonians and Egyptians both calculated the number of days in a year in the fifth century B.C.E., but they reached different findings... whereas the Babylonians said 360." So first we take 483 years x 360 days per year = 173,880 days divide that into our calendar of 365.25 days per year. 476.0575 Gregorian years. Nehemiah 2:1 says the month was Nisan (Passover month). 445 BC- 1BC = 444 years. 1AD +32 = 32 AD leaving .0575 years left which is 21 days. Assuming Nisan is Nisan 1 +21 days Jesus fulfills the Passover prophecy to the day at the end of Passover Nisan 22 32AD. So here's what we know the first 69 weeks are specific. Which means the 70th week is specific. Specifically 2,520 days long, 2,520 days into a 360 day calendar is exactly 7 years. Daniel 9:27 Then he (unknown) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; (7 years or 2,520 days) "But in the middle of the week" (1,260 days or 3.5 years = 2,520 days / 2 = 1,260 days x 2 or 3.5 years x 2 = 7 years) "He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.” Now many say the 70th week has already happened, except remember the purpose that after the 70th week the Jews and Jerusalem would accept Jesus as their Messiah. What early Christians wrote. First, we need to understand the lineage of disciples: Apostle John taught Polycarp. Polycarp taught Irenaeus, and it is said that Irenaeus even met John a few times. Irenaeus taught Hippolytus Irenaeus (about 180 AD) who wrote his 5 volume works called “Against Heresies” who was a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of the Apostle John. “In 2 Thessalonians, the ‘falling away’ is an apostasy and there will be a literal rebuilt temple. In Matthew, the ‘abomination spoken by Daniel’ is the Antichrist sitting in the temple as if he were Christ. The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months. The little horn is the Antichrist. Against Heresies 5.25 Hippolytus (170-235 AD) wrote a 67 section/ chapter writing called "The Antichrist - a Treatise on Christ and Antichrist" (about 205 AD) "Now Daniel will set forth this subject to us. For he says, “And one week will make a covenant with many, and it shall be that in the midst of the week my sacrifice and oblation shall cease.” Daniel 9:27 By one week, therefore, he meant the last week which is to be at the end of the whole world, of which week the two prophets Enoch and Elias will take up the half. For they will preach 1,260 days clothed in sackcloth, proclaiming repentance to the people and to all the nations." ...For John says, “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.” Revelation 11:3 That is the half of the week that Daniel spoke about. “These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the Lord of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire will proceed out of their mouth, and devour their enemies; and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy; and have power over waters, to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they will.” Revelation 11:4-6 And when they shall have finished their course and their testimony, what does the prophet say? “the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them,” Revelation 11:7 because they will not give glory to Antichrist. For this is meant by the little horn that grows up. He, being now elated in heart, begins to exalt himself, and to glorify himself as God, persecuting the saints and blaspheming Christ, even as Daniel says, “I considered the horns, and, behold, in the horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things; and he opened his mouth to blaspheme God. And that born made war against the saints, and prevailed against them until the beast was slain, and perished, and his body was given to be burned.” Daniel 7:8 This is like 1 section of Hippolytus's 67 sections in this commentary. Early Church Father's wrote entire books on this topic. Hippolytus: On the End of the World A Discourse by the Most Blessed Hippolytus, Bishop and Martyr, on the End of the World, and on Antichrist, and on the Second Coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ. "Above all, moreover, he will love the nation of the Jews. And with all these he will work signs and terrible wonders, false wonders and not true, in order to deceive his impious equals. For if it were possible, he would seduce even the elect from the love of Christ. But in his first steps he will be gentle, loveable, quiet, pious, pacific, hating injustice, detesting gifts, not allowing idolatry; loving, says he, the Scriptures, reverencing priests, honoring his elders, repudiating fornication, detesting adultery, giving no heed to slanders, not admitting oaths, kind to strangers, kind to the poor, compassionate. And then he will work wonders, cleansing lepers, raising paralytics, expelling demons, proclaiming things remote just as things present, raising the dead, helping widows, defending orphans, loving all, reconciling in love men who contend, and saying to such, “Let not the sun go down upon your wrath;” Ephesians 4:26 and he will not acquire gold, nor love silver, nor seek riches. And at first, indeed, that deceitful and lawless one, with crafty deceitfulness, will refuse such glory; but the men persisting, and holding by him, will declare him king. And thereafter he will be lifted up in heart, and he who was formerly gentle will become violent, and he who pursued love will become pitiless, and the humble in heart will become haughty and inhuman, and the hater of unrighteousness will persecute the righteous. Then, when he is elevated to his kingdom, he will marshal war; and in his wrath he will smite three mighty kings, - those, namely, of Egypt, Libya, and Ethiopia. And after that he will build the temple in Jerusalem, and will restore it again speedily, and give it over to the Jews. And then he will be lifted up in heart against every man; yea, he will speak blasphemy also against God, thinking in his deceit that he shall be king upon the earth hereafter forever; not knowing, miserable wretch, that his kingdom is to be quickly brought to naught, and that he will quickly have to meet the fire which is prepared for him, along with all who trust him and serve him. For when Daniel said, “I shall make my covenant for one week,” Daniel 9:27 he indicated seven years; and the one half of the week is for the preaching of the prophets, and for the other half of the week - that is to say, for three years and a half -Antichrist will reign upon the earth. And after this his kingdom and his glory shall be taken away. Behold, ye who love God, what manner of tribulation there shall rise in those days, such as has not been from the foundation of the world, no, nor ever shall be, except in those days alone. Then the lawless one, being lifted up in heart, will gather together his demons in man’s for, and will abominate those who call him to the kingdom, and will pollute many souls. Section 23-25 3.5 years + 3.5 years = 7 years. First I would highly recommend you talk to Ken Johnson and read his book "The End Times by the Ancient Church Fathers" that's where I got a lot of these references as he compiles them into 1 book of just excerpts but also I entire books are in there written by the early church. It doesn't make it authoritative or biblically correct but it shows these ideas are not a few hundred years old. The Earch Church Fathers wrote extensively on these topics. Whether we agree on the view what is clear is that these writers had a specific view, it's not vague, or symbolic, it has a very specific perspective. I would love to discuss further if you find this information valuable. Take care.

[@willielee5253]

👑Genesis 12:3 🇮🇱 Matthew 25 31-46👑 ✝️ Christians speak of scriptures as being this or that as a salvation 🛐 issue, here 👑 Jesus made this a salvation 🛐 issue Himself in Matthew 25 31-46 🇮🇱 😊No teasing out scriptures or extrapolations needed, it's as plain as the Sun shine 😊 👑 Jesus made this a salvation 🛐 issue in Matthew 25 31-46 🇮🇱 and before He returns I'd recommend ministering the same love ❤God bless you on your journey ❤

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: They reject the word dispensation entirely, even though it is found at least 4 times in the KJV along with many other allusions to the word dispensation. They are heaping to themselves teachers according to their own lusts. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

[@markelliston5458]

It seems like when Paul says “But now” (which he does many times) it sorta screams dispensationalism just saying

[@oracleoftroy]

I think it is fine to say it screams dispensation, as in the dictionary definition of the word that's been used in church history, like in the Westminster Confession for example. I think it is a step too far to say it screams dispensationalism, the system that came into the scene a hundred or so years ago and has been modified a bunch since. Or, everytime scripture mentions "covenant", you have to concede that covenantalism is correct, a system that is contrary to dispensationalism, at least if you are consistently applying that standard.

[@bop-ya-good]

The dispensation of grace did not exist pre cross....fact

[@BishopEddie5443]

True. It began after the cross with Christ sending Apostle Paul to the Gentiles. Read about it in Acts 9. Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: They reject the word dispensation entirely, even though it is found at least 4 times in the KJV along with many other allusions to the word dispensation. They are heaping to themselves teachers according to their own lusts. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[@bop-ya-good]

@BishopEddie5443 thanks Eddie....often over looked.

[@fblackwood98]

ASK King David who knew Christ. He expected resurrection of his body from the grave. Maybe he even received grace in relation to Bathsheba. Yeshua was slaughtered as the Lamb of God BEFORE the foundation of the World. Maybe I don't use words the same way as you. I am not academic. Blessings.

[@bop-ya-good]

@@fblackwood98 hi, no, dispensation of grace commenced post cross.

[@bop-ya-good]

@@fblackwood98 King David did not live in the dispensation of grace. He lived under the law of moses.

[@leecheong4986]

Hehehehehe…what a joke! We were told of dividing the Word of God not dividing the people of God. There is no bearing on the salvation of man. Refocus the telescope and fix your eyes upon Jesus and His work of salvation. When will he come back or if the millennium kingdom is now or other eschatology theory will have no bearing if a man is in salvation or not. Who can know if the passage of Ezekiel 36 and 37 is physical or spiritual? If you say it’s physical then where is Jesus their king? If it is spiritual that Jesus reign in heaven now over the millennium kingdom then why is none others Israelites in modern nation Israel, Christians? One thing I know and Paul was very clear in Galatians 3 that there are neither Jews or Gentiles. I am also clear that Jeremiah 31 stated is a new covenant and Gentiles learn directly from God. Darby has ignore this. Perhaps, the gathering of Israel of Ezekiel 36 and 37 is a spiritual one and a foreshadow of Jesus, the SEED of Abraham as written both in Genesis 17 and Galatians 3. There are plenty of this in Hebrew, comparing Jesus the better Adam and the better Israel. If Amillennialist can conclusively say that the gathering of Israel is a symbolic and spiritual one in Ezekiel 36 and 37 and Zachariah 23 and 13, perhaps then their believe can be straightened out. On the other hand the premillennialist can explain why is the Daniel 70 weeks can be broken up and don’t refer to the preterist view point then perhaps there will be more correlation. Moreover, can they explain the numerous time that Jesus speak in symbolism. The truth is, we don’t know. Isaiah 55 says God mind is higher than ours. As long we think we know better, we are behaving like unbelievers. Focus on the salvation of Christ, by grace through faith that Jesus is God and was dead and resurrected sacrifice fir the sin of mankind and not works so that we won’t boast and let the Holy Spirit guide to our works for the church, the rest will fall into place. After 2000 years, so many false prophets come out of theological disputes and allow Satan to take advantage of the differences. Look at the Anabaptist! Still we don’t learn. Seriously, Satan doesn’t have to do much. We Christian’s do it to ourselves. Anything that is not pertaining to the theology of salvation and God, it’s best to trust God to it as Paul said ‘reveal His mystery’.

[@noellim6924]

Dispensationalism is Biblical. Bible readers or believers will find many contrafictions if they don't know how to rightly divide the word of truth. You just can't apply all that is written to yourself. All that is in the Scripture are truth, but not all truth are for us today.

[@johno2277]

wrote "Dispensationalism is Biblical." Would you be willing to have a civil discussion over this statement without using ad-hominem attacks? I ask because every Dispensationalist who I point out Biblical passages contrary to their narrative calls me a heretic & disappears.

[@noellim6924]

@@johno2277 a very simple example of dispensionalism is about eating of food. God commanded Adam that he can freely eat the fruit of every tree in the garden except the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. (Gen. 2:16,17) After the flood, God said to Noah, "every moving thing that lives shall be food for you, i have given you all things, even as the green herbs. But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is blood." (Gen. 9:3-4) Adam and Noah were both Gentiles. If you read Liviticus chapter 11, you will find many food that God considered unclean for the Jews not to eat of it. This instruction was for the Israelites only. Today, 1Tim 4:4,5 says" For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer ". The above verses clearly shows dispensationalism. There are many Gospels in the Bible too, but the only Gospel that saves today is the gospel according to what apostle Paul says in 1 Cor. 15:1-4. Preaching another gospel not according to what Paul preaches would be accursed as what Gal. 1:8,9 says. Hope this gives you some clarity about dispentionalism.

[@AgeDeo2009]

The Dispensationalist's Rapture CAN NOT be imminent because the Word mentions certain events that need to take place before it happens.

[@johno2277]

@AgeDeo2009 Absolutely! One amusing one is that Dispensationsalists say Jesus can come back any time and there will be 200,000,000 soldiers on trained horses. There are only 60M horses in the entire World right now & not many are trained! 😂🤣😅

[@AgeDeo2009]

"Not all truth are for us today" is a flaw in Dispensationalism because rightly dividing the Word of Truth requires us to consider to whom the message was originally intended. Scripture is applicable throughout the ages. " (2 Tim. 3: 16-17, Ps. 119:89-91)

[@gregrudolph4227]

Dispanchlanism is not biblical!!

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: They reject the word dispensation entirely, even though it is found at least 4 times in the KJV along with many other allusions to the word dispensation. They are heaping to themselves teachers according to their own lusts. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[@Doc452007]

If you don't like dispensationalism I guess you don't like the Bible

[@BishopEddie5443]

What you're missing is Apostle Paul says in Eph. 3:2 is that this dispensation is given exclusively to him and he also refers to the gospel that he preached as "my gospel" in Rom. 2:16 and in Rom. 16:25. He also said in Gal. 1:6 that there is 'another' gospel! In Gal. 2:7 Paul mentions 2 different gospels! So let's go by the Bible and not denominational error. OK?

[@eschatology_matters]

Paul says in Galatians 1 that anyone preaching a gospel other than his is accursed and no one should listen to them.

[@BishopEddie5443]

@@eschatology_matters That is correct! In Acts chap. 9 the Lord Jesus sends Apostle Paul with a new and different gospel that is different from the gospel of the CIRCUMCISION that Christ preached. In Gal. 2:7 Paul mentions 2 different gospels!

[@BishopEddie5443]

@@eschatology_matters You are misquoting scripture. It didn't say 'is accursed' is says " let him be accursed." It's explaining how we are to view such a person, not the condition of that person. There's a distinct difference.

[@jonasaras]

@@BishopEddie5443Paul and Peter preached the same gospel, but they preached it TO two different groups. But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised - Galatians 2:7 But let’s roll with your idea. What was Peter’s circumcision-based gospel?

[@jafojafo5412]

You folks have no clue about true dispensations… go debate or have on the show … Trey from Truth Time Radio…

[@drjaymissdiana]

Actually the term, Dispensation, was coined by Lacunza, Manuel (early 1800s) in his book, “The Coming Of Messiah In Glory And Majesty,” Darby followed up with Manuel’s teaching. Good discussion. Luck with the book.

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: They reject the word dispensation entirely, even though it is found at least 4 times in the KJV along with many other allusions to the word dispensation. They are heaping to themselves teachers according to their own lusts. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

[@rossjpurdy]

Lacunza was Historicist and venerated by the grossly anti-dispensational SDA! So that old wives' tale has been debunked.

[@MrJoebrooklyn1969]

Dispensationalism is falling and soon so will Protestantism and that's a good thing.

[@roberteaston6413]

Evangelical Protestantism has made great inroads in Latin America since the late 1960's.

[@BishopEddie5443]

Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: They reject the word dispensation entirely, even though it is found at least 4 times in the KJV along with many other allusions to the word dispensation. They are heaping to themselves teachers according to their own lusts. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.