The Rise & Fall of Rap-Rock (was it REALLY that bad??)

[@sarag2011]

People always forget to mention 311. They were mixing, rock, rap, and reggae. They started in 90 with their first major label album coming in 93.

[@davidborer7857]

Yeah I was definitely hoping to hear them get mentioned

[@Zeeblud-Music]

That's true. I'm a big fan of 311, and I even forget about them when rap rock is brought up.

[@croulantroulant3082]

I'll raise you: Urban Dance Squad. First album came out in 89.....dutch band. Even reached number 21 on the Billboard charts with "Deeper shade of soul"

[@Faks.09]

i only know that they ripped off Acid Bath on one song lol

[@richparkinson9647]

@@croulantroulant3082 Deeper Shade of Soul doesn't really have anything that strikes me as rock. It's funky and soulful, yes, but I'm not getting rock out of it.

[@thatguysixx]

I think rap rock was actually perfect for the fact it bought together both cultures, especially if you was a fan of both genres growing up

[@trippyvannoir.333]

I grew up on both. I loved it. Some of it can be cringe but there’s cringe in every genre.

[@trippyvannoir.333]

I grew up on both. I loved it. Some of it can be cringe but there’s cringe in every genre.

[@tim.noonan]

It didn’t bring really together both cultures. Rap rock’s origin was largely white artists butchering the art of rap over aggressively mediocre instrumentals. Like, kudos to those bands for trying something new, but there was hardly any hip-hop culture in rap rock until very recently.

[@cosmicghost811]

True. It's what introduced me to rock music.

[@feck2594]

​@@tim.noonan you stated it perfectly , it definitely didn't bring both cultures together, I would actually say more of the opposite.

[@golfboy83]

As an almost 40 year old white guy from the suburbs, beastie Boys and Rage are what got me into hip hop as a young teen. My first concert was Beastie Boys in 1998, and A Tribe Called Quest opened for them, and I absolutely loved them!

[@sonsofthewestredwhiteblue5317]

Beastie Boys are rubbish tho… in terms of the art of rhyme and composition. They succeeded because they were white guys. Eminem came into the industry somewhat stigmatised but it soon became apparent he could eat anyone’s arsehole if he so chose.

[@bondalero0074]

Beastie Boys made the link in my jr.high years because I was a Black Sabbath and Ozzy, Iron Maiden Fan early in life and Rage Against the Machine took it to it’s highest Level in high school days & after!#🎸🤘🏻🔥❤️#Rockn’Roll4EVA

[@ScootLoops616]

Damn probably got get it together live with qtip

[@Allhailbrak79]

Beastie Boys was also my first concert, it was in 95 Sacramento Cal Expo opening bands were Bad Brains and DJ Hurricane

[@davidwilson1008]

I went to the same one. I remember Phife wasn't there (in Philly). But awesome show regardless.

[@thedayidied]

Linkin Park was the gateway to SO MANY styles of music for me. They got me into metal, nu-metal, and rap. When One Step Closer came out, I was in middle school and was about to enter high school, and that song/video just BLEW ME AWAY. LP, Slipknot, Tool and Deftonss shaped who I became when I was in high school, and I will always be so grateful for all of them.

[@Claaaaaaaaws]

Imagine what modern day metalcore would sound like without linkin park

[@andersegedalnielsen3590]

@@Claaaaaaaaws less screaming hopefully. Always hated park

[@clash1496]

@@andersegedalnielsen3590 f#ck you linkin park forever

[@holaadios3267]

​@@andersegedalnielsen3590 Less screamy( talking about a metal genre)

[@andersegedalnielsen3590]

@@holaadios3267 metal?? With a punk-screamer and a dude who thought he could rap? Give me a break. Check out metal from 80’s and 90’s if you want to know what the genre is about

[@Eazy-ERyder]

Not a Limp Bizkit fan but the Judgement Night soundtrack was the GREATEST masterpiece of Rap and Rock/Metal art. Onyx and Biohazard completely ROCKED the title song.

[@traindiesel7005]

I bet you'd dig ice-ts body count. was ahead of its time and that shit really should have gotten more traction

[@blacktide888]

As a massive HipHop fan, and now a metal fan, I’ve always thought combining HipHop and rock together was actually awesome. Shout out to Korn, Rage Against the Machine, and all of those bands that started that whole genre of music. Also, Bones, Suicide Boys, Ghostmane, Trippie Redd, and MGK I absolutely salute and support for keeping music like that going.

[@eesynopsis7393]

Don't forget Kenny Mason! His newest album is straight fire

[@hoseamatthews1844]

All of this except for MGK

[@asregdor3386]

MGK ????? Really ?

[@WednesdayAddams5150]

Don't forget Beastie Boys

[@eesynopsis7393]

HOW DARE YOU LIKE MGK WHEN THESE OTHER PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET DON'T LIKE IT 😂

[@paulhardman2515]

Beastie Boys songs like So What'cha Want and Sabotage were huge songs that seemed to inspire lots of new metal/rap rock bands (much to the Beastie's chagrin) Beck never seems to be mentioned as rap rock. Mellow Gold and Odelay mixed both genres and were hit albums. British groups like Big Audio Dynamite, Happy Mondays, Black Grape, Massive Attack, Portishead, Cornershop, Prodigy, The Beta Band (among others) mixed rock and rap elements. When I was young in the late 80s and early nineties groups like Fugazi, Bad Brains, Dead Kennedys were always in rotation with Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, Wu Tang and Rage. Good was good. I do think Lollapalooza helped bridge the gap between the two. Having alt rock and hip hop artist play the same festivals turned a lot of people onto other genres. Also, you mention how much progress happened in 7 years. Back in the nineties, 7 years seemed like 20.

[@Shlogger]

agree with all that. Cypress Hill even went Rap/Rock for a little while. You also had Crystal Method going into that direction with a few tracks. There's lots of examples, some good, some pretty awesome, some were terrible. lol. I'm very picky with my selections but it was at least still a time where people were experimenting with different genres and being creative with different sounds.

[@riseandshine5706]

they almost got credit for inventing the blast beat too. what a revolutionary trio.

[@papershoes6284]

I fear I'll never fall in love with music as much as I did in my teens and 20s. You know, that euphoric feeling you get when you hear a new song for the 1st time will never happen again.

[@royeaston6067]

No one does because your brain has a limited amount of dopamime and much more dopamime at that time do when a song hits you and you get much more of a rush, tbats why everone lostns to.the music of their youth. Tying to chase that Dragon

[@alexd6557]

okay, so i listened to a little green day, blink when i was a kid, and in my teenage years and all the way up till like a year ago, i only listened to hip hop. idk what happened, but i started listening to blink again, like all their songs, and then all the prjects the band members worked on, and hav ecompletely gone down a rock/emo/metal rabbit hole and its fucking amazing. i always thought screamo was obnxious as fuck but i LOVE it now. jxdn and beauty school dropout and nothing,nowhere are my favorite fucking artists right now i literally love all their songs. i have no idea what happened, but stay hopefull. i thought the same thing. its made me fall in love with music all over again \

[@MekareP]

This is a wild take or concept to me. Chase finding new things and keep an open mind. Guarantee anyone who feels this way is suffering mostly from a closed mind they didn't have as a kid.

[@stereomois]

​@@MekareP I still find new music I do enjoy, but I'll admit the emotions are not quite the same after 20-30 years. Lyrics that would blow you away in your teens now make you chuckle with a "yeah, that shit happens"

[@alluringbliss4165]

That explains why I don’t elated anymore when I listen to music. I am in my 40s.

[@stevenmoore3381]

That collision course album is so slept on. From what I understand, Mike realized that the BPMs of those songs were exactly the same and reached out to Jay Z about it. But it definitely explains why they fit so well together

[@jackrabbitslim114]

It was part of a trend started by Danger Mouse. Once he mixed The White Album and The Black Album together, DJs started making all kinds of mashup albums with The Black Album. They used to sell a version with just the vocals at Best Buy. Collision Course was done very well, though, and the songs blended seamlessly

[@TonyBambino]

ReAnimation was MUCH better than Collision Course IMO. It had more of a west coast underground feel to it and they reached out to guys like Alchemist, Kut Master Kurt, Zion I, Planet Asia, Aceyalone, Pharoahe Monch etc for collabs on that album.

[@markc266]

​@@TonyBambino yeah I think he missed a step not mentioning Reanimation. It's one of the highest selling remix albums of all time. Released right after Linkin Park's debut. With a lot of well respected features

[@christopherpayne9412]

@@jackrabbitslim114 o

[@jacdixie]

311 was the first band that combined rap and rock that I personally noticed. I'm still surprised that they don't get much love or credit for what came later. Their first few albums are still fun listens, for me. Transistor has all kinds of genres and sounds blended together. Great musicians, too.

[@springer90]

311 Right Now is 🔥and that's from 1991, wayy ahead if their time.

[@briancynn392]

Been in the Hive since 95! LoL they are very underrated and their live shows are amazing! They sound just like their studio releases! The band is just super tight and they make it seem so effortless 😭😭😭

[@youngw1ze]

311 stopped rapping after they started getting radio airplay....

[@nocturnalfolf6097]

Yeah, 311 is awesome, I would say Come Original is one of my favorite songs from them.

[@brooksorlando4881]

They're literally my fav band. Grassroots, Blue album, Transistor, and Soundsystem had the best rap/rock tracks ever imo..mixed in with some chill reggae

[@MrEddiewise05]

Judgement Night was an awesome movie. Being a punk/metal kid on the south side of Chicago in the late 80s and early 90s, it kinda brought a lot of us together.

[@mc98smusicmoviereviews93]

Fallin is a banger of a track, always puts a smile on my face.

[@AKS-666]

The movie was bad. Everybody was watching it only because of the amazing soundtrack. 😄

[@BruceWayne-ub8eh]

@@mc98smusicmoviereviews93 hell yeah!! Falling is dope af!

[@TingTingalingy]

You must've been Tim Pool's neighbor!

[@carguysunite1288]

I think most people don’t realize how related hip hop and metal/punk are. Birthed from similar anarchism and rebellion. Just different flavour. Different culture but trying to express similar feelings

[@60degreelobwedge82]

The rock and rap hybrid has definitely been a thing people were trying right from the start. Blondie's rapture in 1980 is probably the earliest attempt of a rock band trying to incorporate rap that went mainstream but there were also rappers like 2 live crew sampling rock songs (probably earlier examples?). It's probably always been happening but only bubbles up to the mainstream when someone finally gets something that actually works.

[@doublemintmaple]

Glad someone said it

[@sawtooth808]

☝️☝️This☝️☝️

[@michaelacuna6241]

someone here is well educated in music history!👏

[@AK-rv6dq]

Blondie's was ridiculous, though. She was the first karen.

[@60degreelobwedge82]

@@AK-rv6dq there were a lot of Karens back then. I wouldn't put Debbie Harry as the first and definitely not the worst in the era of Tipper Gore and Anita Bryant.

[@robwalsh9843]

Urban Dance Squad was probably the first band to incorporate a DJ. They sounded American but were actually from the Netherlands, their only 'hit' was A Deeper Shade of Soul in 1989. Pretty underrated band and very talented musicians.

[@jakerandolph5053]

Yeah, Fast Lane and Good Grief are bangers as well, very underrated

[@jansmith8909]

How was Bodycount not mentioned in this video??? I know there’s a lot to unload, but Ice T was the OG for this genre. Love Downset too, ST definitely had hip hop influences as did many of the NYHC scenes of late 80s & 90s (H2O, Madball, Skarhead, etc). Loving this channel

[@zplapplap]

The first Body Count album came out when I was about 17 years old. Having grown up listening to punk, NYHC bands, and rap (including Ice T), I distinctly remember viewing Body Count as Ice T’s going in a different direction and into a different genre. I didn’t think of Body Count as rap rock back in the early to mid 90’s. I saw it as a hardcore band with spoken word interlude tracks on the album. He wasn’t a rapper in that band. None of this is to disagree with your comment, I’m merely adding my perspective as to why Body Count might be viewed differently.

[@peterharmon6778]

OG rapper and rap rock

[@evildoctorporkchop6187]

Valid point . Body count more niche than well known .

[@doomztay]

It’s quite simple. When Finn makes a video featuring NuMetal, I watch.

[@rig-zag]

I graduated in 2000, when rap/rock when at the zenith of its popularity, and I have always loved the genre and always will. I stand by it, and not just for nostalgia ( Bizkit, RATM) but even newer rap/rock catches my ear (I Prevail, Falling in Reverse).

[@nimhard]

also graduated in 2000 and I adore rap rock

[@jesseshort8]

01 grad here, I loved it then and still do.

[@zmaj6524]

Yelawolf Stereo mixtape

[@celuiquipeut6527]

Falling in reverse was such a great discovery for me. I havent liked a sound like that since Meteroa from Linkin Park.

[@isaacjamesbaker]

Really interesting video! I'm a "rocker" but got nothing but love for rap and have always enjoyed seeing the cultures interact.

[@gaby-ld8wf]

same and imo they go really well together

[@ItsCrawdaddy]

Collision Course is still an all time top 10 album/EP for me. Shit still slaps, and I'm grateful it exists.

[@maenad1231]

I remember Collision Course low key ending racism in my school district for a few months lol

[@PreachX]

Rap-Rock was actually pretty big in Europe (especially Germany) back in the early to mid-90s, though we called it Crossover back then. Bands like Urban Dance Squad, Dog Eat Dog, Smokin' Suckaz wit Logic, Clawfinger, H-Blockxx, Such a Surge, Sullen, Thumb, Senser or Headcrash were playing every club and festival big and small.

[@AKS-666]

Yeah, bad research here. But as we know, Finn ignores everything coming from Europe.

[@DabbaRanx]

Rap Rock was never bad - it's just that people who liked rock hated the fact there was rapping, and people who liked rap a) didn't really consider it "rap" and b) never really got the rock element. Personally I liked (and still do to this day) the fusion. Fast, energetic music with rapped vocals can be atrocious - but if done well it can be absolutely phenomenal. The Nu Metal phase was reletively sub-par on a technical level, but easily the most catchy and mainstream marketable form of rap-rock.

[@adeptdamage3669]

Nah Limp Bizkit and Kid Rocked sucked.

[@kalin9ne651]

@@adeptdamage3669Nah they both have some great albums and songs

[@evacody1249]

Because a good number of the band thrown under the label are hardrock bands. The rest were not good at rock metal or rap. So like glam metal nu metal dead. Stop trying to bring it back unless it's like Steel Panther to mock it.

[@adeptdamage3669]

@@kalin9ne651 Nope just shit.

[@wallaceshawn-zk8iw]

It's all about Groove, getting too technical can ruin it.

[@emirhanerden7509]

Music is universal. Find the right elements within the genres, find the right balance within the fusion and you can create masterpieces with any music genre you combine -NuMetal fan

[@theerikedge]

I know you get a lot of flack when you do videos covering this new scene of music, but I love it. I'm 40 years old, and hearing this whole new world of creativity really motivates me. Keep it up.

[@asregdor3386]

" New scene of music " ?

[@nathanwilliams1143]

Yeah I’ve been missing music from my generation being on this channel

[@phaaaze9984]

I can’t tell if this is sarcastic. Some of this stuff is 30 years old lol

[@theerikedge]

I meant the wave of music that's come out in the last five years. The stuff like Suicide Boys, Scarlord, XXXtentacion, Ghostmane, lilpepe, Falling in Reverse... The so called Trap Metal music.

[@jameydunne3920]

@@theerikedge My nephew gets more into the rap side of rap rock, but I'm definitely glad I went down that rabbit hole. I've been to a Playboi Cardi show and a Denzel Curry show with (I preferred Curry). Then I went to a show with "my" music and left less enthused, much to my surprise. I'm now thinking about seeing Death Grips in a couple of months. Anybody seen their show before? How was it? I expecting brutal sound and high energy chaos.

[@rodneycooperjr3223]

Rage still slaps. They may have been a gateway to rap for many people, but for me they were a gateway to rock. Tom Morello made all the difference for me.

[@joshuateubanks4302]

Tom Morello on bass is not a thing.

[@psychicramps]

Rage is really the only gem in the genre they pretty much created...

[@extramediocre2278]

I’m surprised there wasn’t any mention of Run DMC’s Rock Box from early ‘84. Far superior to Walk This Way (IMO) and was released 2 years before. That’s the first metal rap track that I remember ever hearing. Such a great track to this day!

[@nAmE7056]

This guy isn't very good at this. He is just the only guy talking about this kinda shit on youtube.

[@itman190]

These ppl don’t know about rock box they don’t listen to rap plus that’s like 40 years old

[@philsherrer]

I'd consider that a mash-up, not rap / rock as a genre. Faith No More's Epic, imo, hits the mark More cleanly.

[@Utg_0001]

True! So good

[@DecidedlyIndecisive09]

Even before that (earlier the same year) was "World Destruction" by Time Zone, a collaboration side project of Johnny Lydon and Africa Bambaataa.

[@DrDipsh1t]

Can't forget tech n9ne. Named his record label after the song by The Doors. Even today, lots of modern metalcore incorporates rap in the way lyrics are delivered. Hell, Phil Bozeman gave some bars on a Whitechapel album not long ago. I like seeing the blending happen as both rap and rock have very aggressive elements to them that are inherent and organic to them along with very dark elements if we throw in 90s and 2000s "horrorcore" like three 6 mafia that'd mesh well with metal. Imagery, message, and emotion wise they compliment each other well. Even rap that incorporates just kick and snare has some sick drum rhythms in em that can arguably be linked to rock or its predecessor genres.

[@dylanraffaelli5204]

Everything you said about LP I feel hardcore. Dude..this band was not toying with rapping or implementing it as a trope..it was an integral and natural, necessary element of their craft ❤️‍🔥 endless respect

[@jacobprice8048]

I'm not a Linkin Park fan, but the Rapper in the group is a legit MC. His freestyle on Five Fingers of Death is pretty dope.

[@hewhosnameshallnotbeuttered]

I and I'm sure lots of other people of colour owe alot to rap rock and nu metal for getting us into rock and metal. Also remembering thank you notes in cd booklets where bands like LP shouted out both rap and rock artists that i then went and checked out as well.

[@jhiggins2782]

Great video, another sort of wave of music you could consider a rap-rock revival would be a lot of that pop stuff from the early 2010s like Kevin Rudolf, Gym Class Heroes, Cobra Starship and 3OH!3 - a lot of these bands and musicians were either rock bands with rapped vocals or a lot of times dance rock with hip hop inspired breakdowns.

[@caffeinecreature]

Meteora was the first album I bought myself instead of inheriting it from my parents. It was a major highlight of my late childhood, and I absolutely loved it. And then Linkin Park just never got old because as I grew up, their sound also evolved in all manner of wonky ways. As a result, Chester's was the first and only celebrity death so far that actually made me acutely feel the loss.

[@antoniokastrocarlisledemel6617]

All 3 of Rage Against The Machine's albums+ the cover album and the debut demo are absolute classics..I literally mean it there's not one bad song on any of those and they're some of a very small few albums I can put on and not skip one track...Zack is one of the most underappreciated MCs and so is Timmy C on Bass and Brad Wilk on Drums but my man Tom Morello remains after almost 30 years going back to when I was 8 in 1994, he remains my all time favorite guitarist who I also feel is underappreciated..it's sad they broke up when and how they did even more so cuz I was there at Radio City(will forever be the greatest VMAs) when Tim climbed up there and then finding out later on it led to their breakup.. but I'm sure it would've happened eventually, I just wish they could've had a couple more albums in the can but I much rather them go out on top than stick around and become stale as fuck like the The Simpsons...I agree with u on Linkin Park as from the first time I heard the EP in 99 I could their DNA was infused with Rock and Rap down to its roots and Linkin Park are Also seriously underappreciated as well and I'm talking even after Meteora but especially those first two albums are masterpieces... I hope u resting peacefully Chester

[@Brordin1457]

Love seeing you make videos about what you’re really passionate about Finn❤️

[@SuperbowlJoel]

I still listen to Papa Roach's Infest album at least a couple time each year; it's such a gem. I then purchased their 2nd album, was disappointed, and never listened to another one of their albums. I did like a couple of their songs over the years, but it became clear that they abandoned the Rap/Rock sound they helped to solidify in the mainstream.

[@gabrielruiz9871]

That’s how I felt too! They switched to Emo little by little and phased out of numetal

[@brysonwebster1973]

@@gabrielruiz9871 I feel like they’re more butt rock than emo now

[@kalin9ne651]

Technically Infest is their second album and while its not the same per say the last album or two has a few rap rock songs

[@SuperbowlJoel]

@@kalin9ne651 I didn't know they had a previous album. If it's like infest, I'll have to check it out. And thanks for the heads up on their newer songs.

[@psfilmsbob]

@@brysonwebster1973 100%. I mean, that's totally fine. I still enjoy even some of their new tracks if I catch them on one of the rock stations or something. But yeah, they sound nothing at all like they did back in the day. Then again, they're also unbelievably massive now, so I guess you kind of have to go a little bit more mainstream/sell-out/whatever you want to call it if you want to actually make a multiple-decades career out of it to the level that they have.

[@NottyGurlStyle]

For me I grew up on rap but got into rock when I got sick of listening to just rap in the 90s lol so the mash up was perfect for me and I loved it (if it’s done well) I just love music so I never had a fix preference. I listen to everything. Public Enemy and Anthrax is a classic! Omg The Judgement Night album was mind blowing when I first listen to it back then. Perfection to me. Linkin Park will always be my heart…I just love them ❤

[@cosmicsea666]

Hell yeah! Downset is criminally underrated and their live performances were off the rails. Great to see Downset getting a proper call out here. If you don't know who they are, please check them out.

[@x_VineM_x]

🚬 Downset....haven't heard that name in years. Lol

[@mobilewintercamp7515]

Saw them on Long Island with I believe Overkill maybe 93. Good set

[@cristianzuniga569]

Cypress Hill also did some Rap/Rock Hybrid a lot of people forgot about that too

[@charliekahn4205]

I think a main factor in the adoption of rap rock was the increase in rhythmic complexity in rap rock songs. Vocal lines started to deviate from always starting on beat 1 and ending on beat 4, for instance. Once it was shown that rap could have that freedom on top of rock beats like it does normally, the genre took off.

[@ekims_echoes]

Love your Downset mention. I heard them open for Deftones at a small club in San Francisco and they were incredible. Instant fan.

[@ninji522]

I don't care what anyone says, when it's done right, there's nothing like it. It combines my 2 favorite genres having the anger of metal and the flow and space of hip hop. Maybe its cause my favorite metal is groove metal that I gravitate toward it and hip hop is almost always beat (groove) first, lyric second. But if the early 2000's proved anything its that the genre can get stale and watered down a whole lot quicker than most so I don't think it will ever be a permanent thing.

[@kuakilyissombroguwi]

It's 2023 and Limp Bizkit still slaps. Wes has some of grooviest, heaviest, and coolest sounding guitar riffs in rock history . Once you get past the image and actually listen to the songs you'll realize they've always made absolute bangers. What makes the 90s/00s rap-rock artists stand out from the newer ones is they were mixing in elements of funk and hardcore/metal with rap (inspired by acts like Faith No More and RHCP). I haven't seen a resurgence of that yet. It felt more raw since you ended up with bands playing with traditional rock instruments + a turntable guy (in some cases), which is a farcry from what acts like Ghostemane do. Ghostemane to me is more industrial-trap than anything else. And the other "contemporary rap-rock" artists aren't playing around with hardcore/metal/funk elements at all. RATM solidified the genre and Korn elevated it. After the third Korn album though they stopped doing essential things like simulating scratching sounds on the guitar and playing funky grooves. To me that's when the whole genre started going to sh*t.

[@jamesstortz936]

DJ Lethal fucking killed it. 99% of rappers today wish they could make something as "phat" as even the intro to a limp album. I think the hate came from one little beef between them and Em, which only lasted a short while, and they made up quickly, and was actually right before they were about to do a collab together. Imagine the respect they'd have now if that collab had happened. It's like how people think Smash Mouth is a meme band because of Shrek memes and have never enjoyed the genius that is Fush Yu Mang. That era was an archetype that this generation has yet to live up to, but some artists like Juice WRLD showed the promise of what could be if people just chill and enjoy the true innovative artists.

[@RDJ134]

RATM got heavely influenced by the Urban Dance Squad from the Netherlands, they also said that in multiple interviews. Loved the Rap/rock crossovers, also Body Count are incredible.

[@deoriginele]

Preach! No-one mentions the urban dance squad who did it years before ,mental floss for the globe came out in 1989

[@wallaceshawn-zk8iw]

Love Body Count

[@marcbolinger3648]

Deeper shade of soul has not entered my brain in decades

[@Paul-ng3xn]

Happy go fucked up.

[@revolutronic]

yesssss uban dance squad great concert memories

[@amaashelton]

In 1989/90 there was a local (New Haven) band called Blind Justice played Rap n Roll. Definitely opened the door for me to love the sound.

[@filippavlovic18]

glad hearing Finn talking about nu-metal adjacent topics, I can see he loves it 🙂

[@GCHR1991]

I think Rick Rubin and Def Jam owe some respect for combining the two genres Rick Rubin brought metal production values to raw breakbeats which helped clean the sound of rap and streamline it

[@celuiquipeut6527]

You know your music history. Kudos!

[@analogpark8059]

Also wasn't the Walk This Way crossover basically his idea?

[@djmeagaaim17]

​@analogpark8059 Yes, it was. Originally, they did not even want to do it until after they got talked into doing it by both Rick Rubin and Russell Simmons.

[@user-jc5lf6sf7g]

This was such a cool era for music, there was so much exciting experimentation going on with new bands across so many genres. You had the grunge seen exploding, Nine Inch Nails, Rage Against the Machine, Tool, Portishead, Radiohead, Korn's first album, Deftones, then the resurgence of the Punk scene etc.

[@littlefeet4177]

I'm an old punk rock loving lady pushing 60 trips around the sun. Music is my greatest love, everything from punk to classical to folk, blues, jazz, rock & world beat. I've been watching a lot of music documentaries & stand up comedy lately because the news is just so depressing & many times infuriating as the powers that be seen intent on blowing up the entire world. Just wanted to say I really enjoy your work. Solid & very well researched & put together.

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Thank you! 🙏

[@randycunningham7318]

The stand up and documentaries are brainwashing you, too.

[@marcoarmandorossi331]

Judgement Night OST literally blew my mind…because for the first time really combined alternative metal bands with hardcore rappers…it was the angst from both worlds combined…especially Helmet with House of Pain and faith no more with Boo Yaa Tribe…masterpieces!

[@kristinngumundsson6198]

Judgment night maked sense for me as beastyboys fan and Bodycount first album

[@nororengo286]

Was just going to post this same comment about that soundtrack.

[@x_VineM_x]

💯🔥

[@yosoywilliamgreen212]

“Just another victim…kiddd”

[@rolling-roadkill]

It is still my favourite crossover ever. ❤❤ Nothing of nu metal managed to beat that album. This means war with Busta Rhymes and Ozzy is awesome as well. 🤩

[@zachariahpoltergeist4516]

There is an artist that I never see anyone ever mention- Junkie XL. The album "Saturday Teenage Kick" is kind of the bridge between rap-rock and trashy, Prodigy style dance music. I picked up that album when it first came out from pure curiosity and it's truly a gem!

[@NoxMonstrum]

I honestly just love the blending of genres. You can mix nearly anything with metal and it sounds good.

[@thatgirlfromktown]

When you are old enough to remember Aerosmith & Run DMC came out with the new Walk This Way. My dad wasn't a musician but LOVED music. He listened to Rap, Rock, Funk...all the good stuff. I definitely got my love of music from my dad.

[@zlatans.manbun8269]

RUN DMC literally made an album called King of Rock in 1985.

[@dastardlygonzo]

Love me some rap-rock. Always have, always will. Started for me with Rage Against the Machine, and I get my modern dose with Stray from the Path. Admittedly, I'm not super into most of the modern rock-influenced rap, but I'm all for it being out there. Art evolves, and I support that.

[@AshenOne_CR]

I've always wanted a rap rock band in my life because I listened to Metallica and Godsmack, but also 2 Chainz, E 40, and Future. Then I discovered RATM, limp Bizkit, etc. Rap rock is unironically amazing

[@Dyatomik]

Ho99o9 is an underrated rap rock group IMO. Their sampling of horror movie soundtracks is cool as fuck too.

[@trevorwalden6097]

I love Ho99o9! I always wished they were talked about more too

[@joshuaroberts4245]

POD's Southtown album was also crazy influential. I remember spinning that record over and over.

[@bdr113080]

That’s a classic album in my book

[@Iron_Hawk]

Zebrahead was/is always my favorite rap rock band, the songs on Waste of Mind and MFZB are so good, and I think blend rap and rock really well together.

[@bricef8138]

GLAD ZEBRAHEAD GET MENTIONNED Bro they did so much new things and evolved so much

[@derpydino17]

Finally someone mentions Zebrahead!

[@oanthonnypedro]

Everything he said makes a lot of sense, I play in a new metal/rap metal band. In the last few years we have seen a growing rap metal scene, we have seen the interest of people in listening to our music and bands that sound like us. I hope the style can become relevant again.

[@phillipwillis6746]

What's your band called?

[@oanthonnypedro]

​@@phillipwillis6746 Conexão Vibration, we're from Brazil

[@EnjoyitMusicMatt]

i forever will love this hybrid genre in all its forms!

[@x_VineM_x]

💯🤘🏼🔥

[@Warrentertainment]

Rage might just be the GOATs of Rap-Rock Genre. Powerful message behind some powerful chords.

[@BasedHyperborean]

they're millionaire commie larpers lmao

[@BasedHyperborean]

Slipknot owns that title if anyone does

[@limemime565]

​@@BasedHyperborean lmao yeah slipknot has a real powerful message sure

[@Warrentertainment]

@@limemime565 lol

[@BasedHyperborean]

@@limemime565 I mean their message hasn't "un-alived" over 100 million people the way communism has, sure, but it got me through some shitty times as a kid. Then again, so did making fun of Rat Ass to Mouth.

[@kenshigo3833]

Die hard Limp Bizkit & Papa Roach fan and enjoy all the others mentioned here. Sadly it´s very rare to find someone combining them these days. Hyro the Hero is great!

[@SparkMyke]

Styles of Beyond are who got me into Rap-Rock with Nine Thou and their collab with Celldweller, Shapeshifter. Thank you NFS:MW(2005)

[@KoTM25681]

Dope soundtrack

[@kidangel101]

Finn somehow missed all the rap elements in early Deftones (through White Pony). With Chino rapping and having a DJ involved it's pretty apparent.

[@WILD__THINGS]

Yeah, he stated that Deftones don't have any rap influences but Chino raps on several songs.

[@rorz999]

Hmm, I'm not so sure I agree. Back To School was the only Deftones song that really had rapping in it, and that was tongue in cheek. Deftones' DJ doesn't do any scratching, he actually uses his turntable like a rudimentary sampler, weaving sounds in and out. Headup is their only other song I can think of that could be considered rap rock

[@kidangel101]

@@rorz999 you need to relisten to several tracks from Adrenaline and Around the Fur. The breakdowns in 7 Words and Root. Engine No 9. Headup, Lotion.

[@kidangel101]

@@rorz999 Didn't say Frank scratched (he kinda does on Korea), but he was hired as a turntablist.

[@ryanbaer3997]

@@rorz999 You're talking about Back to School (Mini Maggit), which was not on the original release but forced on by record execs because they needed a rap metal song. It sounds tongue in cheek because it was Deftones' way of giving a middle finger to the record company and the genre.

[@mhh7544]

Judgement Night soundtrack is a masterpiece of its own.

[@Dab_Marino]

Bulls on Parade changed my life 🔥 💯

[@jasonwilliam_79]

I loved the genre. Growing up in the 90's it was cool.

[@wallaceshawn-zk8iw]

I remember the progression from AIC & Nirvana to Nu Metal too.

[@DrBeauHightower]

Bring the noise edm version is fire

[@TranzparentMethods]

As far as the "new wave of nu-metal", H09909 is fucking AMAZING!!! I saw them this past October, WOW what a show! The music is really intense, as are the stage performances. Hardcore as fuck! Travis Barker also produced their newest album "Skin". Oh, and Corey Taylor was featured in their song and video "Bite My Face".

[@mrnordyk1125]

They are not Nu Metal, they describe their music as mix of Punk and Hip Hop.

[@TranzparentMethods]

@@mrnordyk1125 True. But, some of their tracks are VERY metal though.

[@mrnordyk1125]

@@TranzparentMethods They have some Metal edge in their music for sure. Check up👉 Downset, Dog Eat Dog, Head PE, Kottonmouth Kings. They also blending Hip Hop with Punk Rock or/and with Hardcore. Every each are different from each other and they are groovy and heavy.

[@TranzparentMethods]

@@mrnordyk1125 For sure!

[@jona3180]

Man you really pushed the pedal on these nu metal type videos lately. You know what iv always wanted you to make is a rise and fall of Misfits.

[@Rahnotrob]

This

[@jackhammer5912]

I think polyphia’s role in this is has a much bigger importance. Because as you said, rap rock used to be guys rapping over rock instrumentals, but what tim and company did was more like rap instrumentals with virtuoso guitars on top of it. Tim Henson has even said that there are guitar parts in their records that were made by mimicking the flow of rap artists.

[@Thomsonthetube]

When I was in middle school a friend gave me a burned copy of Linkin Park's Meteora and I listened to that on repeat for the whole year. Its in my top ten favorite albums of all time. Glad they and other nu metal acts are getting the legacy status they deserve.

[@louthawriter]

I'm 36 years old and 100% grew up in Hip Hop culture. I loved alll these Rap/Rock fusion bands in the late 90s/early 2000s. Wish I would've went to a few shows back then haha

[@danielrebolledo4309]

At 14 years old I listened to rap inspired metal and now at 36 I listen to metal inspired rap. The circle is complete.

[@evacody1249]

Nope you are just listening to rap.

[@ObsidianContraption]

There's good nu metal and there's cheesy. I think the good stuff really brings people together. It's unifying.

[@yousseffutur]

Very accurate video about what this scene is and its history is about, well done.

[@akashdhara03]

For me, the perfect answer to this dilemma is a rap duo called Paris Texas, the way they incorporate rock elements into their production comes off so naturally and not forced at all. They really have a sound of their own imo.

[@Goats_]

I think the Beastie Boys were the only group that could consistently pull it off. 🤘🐐🤘

[@kensingtonwick]

Goodie Mob had some guitar mixed in with some of their tracks off of the “still standing” album. I think they are on of the very few that could pull it off. Limp biscuit is purely shittastic garbage lol

[@enyazogd5325]

You say this while Rage Against The Machine are easily better lol

[@kensingtonwick]

@@enyazogd5325 Not a fan or rage. Raging haemorrhoids lol

[@kensingtonwick]

@@enyazogd5325 Goodie Mob does it right. Back from their 1995 albumkzbin.info/www/bejne/aKa5fml_hbGjmaM

[@enyazogd5325]

@@kensingtonwick what does that mean bro

[@bobphillips5617]

I saw Lil Wayne in like 2011 and he had a full band at his show. It was basically a rock concert and it was fucking awesome. Wish so many people didn't gatekeep. If it sounds good, listen to it. Who cares about anything else?

[@StreetHierarchy]

Thank you!! Are you an actual musician? Because you sound like one.

[@bobphillips5617]

@@StreetHierarchy Kinda wish at times but I'm just some random guy in the midwest who enjoys music lol

[@talincatalan7547]

I know when he showed wheezy in the beginning like it was cringe...I was confused. Also wheezy is actually like a musical prodigy along w flavor flav they been able to play like instruments since they were 12...

[@Warrentertainment]

Yes, it was terrible, but at the time we absolutely loved it 😂

[@strangescottvoiceacting5351]

You are right about rap/rock being ignored by the hiphop world. I remember in middle school when I had classmates that listened exclusively to rap, and I tried showing them Linkin Park. One friend was surprised at the concept of rap lyrics over heavy guitar sounds. But this was the mid 2000's. They were impressed by something that had been a concept for years by that point.

[@kla1907]

The rapping in nu metal was pretty bland

[@tankeater]

As uh white boy growing up in bad areas of SoCal, that turned 13 in 2000... Limp Bizkit was a daily feeling! 🤘

[@demmiborgir]

If you don't believe rap and rock go together then your just not that girlllll 😘✨💅🏾 both cultures bounce off of each other and fought to give viewpoints from the "looked down upon" love what both of these sounds have brought to my life of 23 years

[@miguelorozco4445]

P.O.D and Linkin Park were my favorites

[@Void_1984]

Yes I think they did it the best!🔥🔥🔥

[@mikemiller0420]

The judgement night ost got me into it, Limp Bizkit got me out of it

[@StreetHierarchy]

Yeah, all of Limp Bizkit's good shit is their deep cuts. You might should check out the group Candiria, which is sort of like a jazz/hip-hop/metal/hardcore mashup they call "urban fusion". If you still listen to hard music, that is. I have chilled the fuck out and be listening to Evelyn "Champagne" King and James Black and shit like that.

[@StreetHierarchy]

That being said, I was like 9 or 10 when Judgment Night came out, so, while I loved the movie, I only recently have begun listening to the soundtrack. If you asked me about rap-rock back then, I would have pointed to Public Enemy or Run DMC.

[@gunnarblackhart2898]

CANDIRIA!!! SURREALISTIC MADNESS!!!

[@mikemiller0420]

@@StreetHierarchy Candiria is/was dope! N.Y. kings good stuff

[@SoulfulJunkie]

Great video! I was a hip hop head in the 90s and was intrigued with the rap metal of the late 90s, but never fully dug into it outside of Kid Rock's Devil W/O a Cause.

[@deluge71]

Downset was the shit! @Finn: Many props to you for bringing them into the discussion. It's about time that someone acknowledged those guys.

[@systm1111]

hed pe is still my jam 🤘🤘

[@BasedHyperborean]

WE RAISE HELL BITCH

[@bipolargods509]

Me too. Saw them last year on tour

[@ryanbaer3997]

Those first two albums were spectacular and everything rap-rock could ever be. I'm pissed they transitioned to a punk band. They were like RATM with an actual DJ and a funkier vocalist.

[@dreuaustin]

Had to scroll waaaaaaay too far for this. Broke is one of the greatest albums of all time.

[@YoutubeAccountMan]

How can you say LP was not universally loved? They've literally been insanely popular from start to finish. There was no time in their career that they werent super popular in the mainstream.

[@tactikiller]

I remember in the early days of KZbin, there were lot of videos shitting on LP. I was a huge LP fan up until MTM.

[@joshuateubanks4302]

I was there. They were not universally loved. At. All.

[@aldobrezenti]

Great video as always but I'm kinda surprised no Ice-T's Bodycount mentioned. It also felt quite natural to me, and I can remember it got the metalheads and the rap fans came together for the first time in my town back then.

[@shr00m7]

311, Sublime and Cypress Hill are missing from this histroy class. Would have liked to hear more samples of some the new stuff that you mentioned.

[@gailmckay5551]

I was born in 63 and love both rap and rock music so it not just younger people. Some of this newer stuff you just showed us not so much.

[@AtticusDragon]

As I get older, I find myself skipping a lot of these tracks/groups on my playlist. One of the few groups I've consistently been able to go back to however, is Papa Roach. Their (I believe debut?) "Infest" was all killer no filler, and they certainly helped popularize the new sounds that were coming out of the late 90's. Whether you're a young person looking to discover some of the music that was exciting back when, or you lived through it and you're curious about revisiting some of those groups, I encourage you to give "Infest" a whirl. You may be pleasantly surprised. Great video sir.

[@zhhsshhhd5949]

So much new material to investigate! Thanks Finn!

[@nororengo286]

I loved rap+rock ever since I heard Public Enemy and Anthrax version of Bring the Noise back in the day.

[@BrazyBlazer]

Thank so much for this video . I always thought I was a weirdo for loving gangster rap hip/hop & also rock & roll, but I guess I’m not as original as I thought it was literally being pumped in me as a kid born in 91’. It will always come back because you’ll have guys like me Latino or Black who love hip hop & rock & roll forever. When Hov & Linkin Park did Encore/Numb it was perfect I knew there was a parallel.

[@dancingbear1881]

I still remember when "the rock guy" from my class in school came up to me and told me had been to a rock concert and was given a mixtape by a then unknown band called "Linkin Park" and I should hear it. Beeing a TOTAL hip-hop only guy I was like "rock? Why should I? But okay, lemme hear it." (On the other hand I of course totally liked LimpBizkit, so I took it). It REALLY blew my mind. It felt like "music" in general, but not like in the "this is this and this is that, fullstop!", but like "we are just doing music and if you do THAT style and I do THAT style we still do essentially the same thing, but different."

[@EldenRinging]

You forgot the "Loud rocks" compilation which paired for example System of a Down with RZA 😃! Great video!

[@mrillis9259]

Devil Without A Cause, is one of the best albums of the last 30 years, it can just be listened to 1 to end. Which honestly is rare.

[@jesseglidden321]

I loved this genre of music as it was a mash up of my two favorite types of music.

[@DocMagoo]

Great vid. I fell in love with the fusion of these two styles in 1987 after hearing "I'm the man" by Anthrax

[@papanovembermusic]

Great essay, I love metal and hip hop, my boy keeps me up to date with the new stuff, they combine it effortlessly. I think they view race in a different way also, I think that helps the youngsters to forge much more fluid identities that merge these exciting new sounds.

[@floydmills8963]

I ain't heard anybody else talk about DOWNSET before, you truly know your stuff brother.