The Rise of Europe's Social Democrats Explained - TLDR News

For a while, it looked like Europe was headed down a distinctly right-wing path, with center-right candidates winning elections across the continent and the moderate left (the so-called Social Democrats) on the decline. However, these trends seem to be changing. So in this video, we examine the fall and rise of the Social Democrats in Europe and what it tells us about Europe's political future.
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[@italktoomuch6442]

Ah yes, Chechnya, that well known social democratic country located between Germany and Slovakia...

[@nothereandthereanywhere]

All my hair was raising up at the moment I have heard the name! (I'm Czech)

[@RFXZ67966]

I think the comment was that left wing parties aren't doing well in Chechnya so i guess, on a technicality, he was right :)

[@maximoy4550]

Everytime I hear someone mess it up I instantly look into the comment section and I offer my sympathies to our Czech brothers from your best friends Slovaks

[@vatnidd]

Chechnoslovenia

[@sketchy5782]

@@vatnidd Czechochechnyoslovakoslovenia

[@OrlandMapper]

This is the first time that our country "Chechnya" doesnt have leftist party in parliament. Even during democratic "Chechnoslovenia" we had strong left-wing parties.

[@meio_feio]

Chechnoslovenia 😭

[@audiaudi873]

Chechnosokovia

[@eurobonapartiste]

"Chechnoslovenia" is comedy gold!

[@amb4367]

How can you Combine Czech Republic and Slovenia? They don't even share a Border!

[@itzzausty]

@@amb4367 did that joke ruffle your hair on it's way right over your head?

[@adityapratapsinghbaghel5186]

Haha...... Chechnya isn't of the Czech Republic (Or Czechia), this is a very funny mess up...

[@Ali-eo2si]

Yeah, I thought he was talking about Russia

[@kekefan6984]

nah bro wym cant you remember the chechen war when the russians rolled into prague

[@Trandul]

It is Czechia. I prefer Czech republic as well(out of habit I guess), but Czechia is one of the official names.

[@MaycroftCholmsky]

Please don't mess this up again. As a Russian, I dream of one day visiting Czechia (because of wonderful architecture and historical heritage), but never will I ever go to Chechnya (even though it's formally within our borders) cause it is in fact a dictatorial ethnostate under a brutar warlord.

[@mildamoudry]

@@Trandul Yup, that’s true. But he didn’t say Czechia lol, he very clearly said Chechnya, which is a Russian republic VERY dissimilar to Czechia. It’s actually quite offensive lol but what can you do…

[@krakendragonslayer1909]

Next video: "The rise of Chechnoslovenia"

[@mikicerise6250]

Australia-Hungry.

[@Pidalin]

@@mikicerise6250 Imagine British bombers go bomb Sidney instead of Vienna. 🙂

[@tylerbozinovski427]

@@Pidalin Canberra is Australia's capital, not Sydney.

[@Pidalin]

@@tylerbozinovski427 I expected someone will say that, I just typed first Australian city wich came to my mind. 🙂

[@NovikNikolovic]

@@Pidalin *Vienna sausage

[@odycz]

You mistook the Czech republic for Chechnya But at least you are right (not like other TLDR videos) about that Left lost badly in ours the last elections. So badly that I think the first time in the history of Czech republic we do not have any social left party in parliament.

[@filipkonfrst5545]

I believe the Pirate party can be considered new left :d but yeah, there isn't pretty much any other major left party in there (although some are from time to time left leaning)

[@lexter8379]

We got the few nemarxist Pirates :D

[@Gardstyle35]

i congratulate the czechs to that achievement

[@Paerigos]

@@lexter8379 Well they just spend arguing on their public forum whether they are communists or not. my troll heart would like to join but alas... Never interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake!

[@eruno_]

aren't pirates centre-left ?

[@steveweidig5373]

It should be noted that the drop in prospective seats for the EPP is partly due to the Hungarian Party Fidesz being kicked out of the group, which lost them some ~20 seats. Still, even without those lost votes, the EPP was slowly moving down while the S&D are slowly trending upwards - just not nearly as fast as the video makes it out to be. Where the S&D is really shining right now is a resurgence on the popular vote, where they jumped up from just below 18% to almost 21%, taking the votes from other left-leaning parties (GUE/GNL and the European Greens) as well as the drop in independent parties. Those 3% don't seem like much, but since the height of the pandemic in July 2020 the EPP dropped by over 6% to just 19.5% and are still trending down. The other winners so far on the popular vote are the liberals, who gained about 2% and are back to the level of support from the last election in that regard - but compared to the back then, they're still projected to lose ~10 seats

[@flaviusvespasian]

This channel spreads a lot of subtle misinformation by "misreading" and presenting opinions as facts.

[@tilenjeraj2684]

EPP lost several member states in the last few years… starting with ECR. Socialist are losing on a long way specially in Eastern Europe.

[@RonnieOP]

05:47 Did you just call Czechia "Chechnya"? Mate, this ain't Russia

[@MichalProzac]

I believe the Czech president disagrees.

[@ComradeHellas]

Hahahaha he did it again!

[@nothereandthereanywhere]

@@MichalProzac Yeah, he is a great example of "relic of the past". Commies are out, along with Social democrats. That was surprising for me, but not disappointing.

[@Kululululululu]

this ain't Russia *yet*

[@runedyrting8476]

Apparently, Geography is not an essential part of the UK education system.

[@macdaraoraghallaigh7343]

The Left is on the rise in Ireland as well. Sinn Féin (Englishntranslation: We Ourselves) is absolutely dominating the polls and their party leader has a 50% approval rating. Sinn Féin has never been in power before due to controversial leaders who have been associated with the IRA, but their new leader, Mary Lou McDonald, has transformed the party and their support base and they won the election two years ago. A mishmash coalition of the two "Old Parties" and the Green Party held out against it, but SF's support is only increasing and it's likely the next Irish government will be lead by them.

[@michealdehide1910]

Not entirely the full picture there. Sinn Féin as a party is both Left and Right. It's currently more Left-leaning populist (strong housing plans, while opposing wealth tax and secure pensions) in the south, while in the north it's Right-leaning establishment (supporting public service cuts, opposing a ban on fox hunting, opposition to abortion rights). Also Mary Loud McDonald's approval rating is about level with Leo Varadkar's as Fine Gael leader. Finally, Sinn Féin's ongoing surge in the opinion polls is more related to Sinn Féin being the largest non-Fine Gael, non-Fianna Fáil party. The research over the last two years shows that very few voters know what Sinn Féin's policies are and instead the message of "change" or "just something different" is what's driving Sinn Féin support. Reflecting that was the 2020 General Election, where the result saw a Sinn Féin surge, despite a generally poor election campaign by the party. The party didn't do anything special or new really, there was just a public spark for "change" and the lucky recipient for that drive was Sinn Féin. This all means that when Sinn Féin likely takes office after the next election, they'll need to delivery fast on all, or most, of their main promises, particularly on housing, or they'll be swept out of office just as fast as they were put into office by the electorate.

[@gordusmaximus4990]

Sinn Féin is a reminder that you can be a left wing nationalist. In fact, they were the norm in the XIX century. Today natioanlism is associated mostly with the right, specially thanks to right wing populism, but people forget how nationalism (despite being easier to apply to right wing movements) doesnt mean its a right wing movement only.

[@memetopia5130]

Sinn Fein have the most anti immigrant voters in Ireland, Around 70% of SF voters think we have to many immigrants (Which we do) but the party keep talking about "diversity"

[@memetopia5130]

@@gordusmaximus4990 True, But SF are no longer nationalists. A lot of their supporters are but the party is not, I have talked to multiple people who supports SF who vote for them because "They're nationalists so they want to kick the immigrants out" which is just not true. They have completely abandoned all their nationalist values.

[@WolfGamingProductions]

Not the most knowledgeable on their reputation in the R.O.I tho up in the north with a number of the political higher-ups attending the large funeral to the former IRA Intel worker/officer during lockdown breaking the very dictates they helped put in place... Yea still plenty of ties binding them to their roots up In Ulster, even with that the other half isn't much better being just as tied in to their roots with the paramilitaries as well.

[@renfors3931]

He seriously called Czechia, Chechnya lol

[@juniwalk]

We are used to it by now :D

[@Paerigos]

They probably hired someone from US...

[@harkoreport9666]

Idk why but TLDR seams to ignore Spain in every video We are the 4 economy of the EU the forth in population, and we have had a left government for the past 2 years.... not even in this video we are mention once neither Portugal the first in this wave of political change. I've been following you for a year and it looks like we never get a video, or mention like we are invisible in European politics. You have multiple videos on the Norwegian political landscape a country of 5 million people... And I loved it but I've never get to see news from Spain the only news we get its separatists movements likes there's nothing more to us...

[@zlucario6216]

I agree. Not from Spain but love the political atmosphere and society living there. Much more interesting than most people assume.

[@theyeening]

2:48 The point of socialism isn't ''equality of outcome'', lol. Pretty much every socialist theorist from Marx onwards has rejected the idea...

[@Tulkash01]

Yes, but you have to understand this channel expouses views that are something in between tatcherism and blairism...

[@theyeening]

@@Tulkash01 Eh, these guys are just pure liberals if anything...

[@babla69420]

Can u show where marxism rejected it and embraced equality of outcome? Which book are u taking it from?

[@cdw2468]

@@babla69420 where did he once say that he did? liberal capitalists are the ones making the claim that marxism focuses on equality of outcome, therefore they should be held to the burden of proof of finding where marx wants equality of outcome. marxists, or leftists of any sort for that matter, shouldn’t have to fight against baseless criticisms when marx never would have known what those criticisms would be to anticipate and rebut them. if you wrote a new economic philosophy and someone criticizes it in a unique after you die, how would you have known to write about it to offer your response?

[@jeckjeck3119]

​@@theyeening Everything that is not a dictatorial right wing is liberal for people like you:/ (if my sus is correct in your case).

[@IamTheHolypumpkin]

I would add to the argument, that during (the still ongoing) pandamic, government had to put a lot of money into economy, i.e an intervention into the classical the free market does it all approach. This could have reduced "the scare" of a strong state. An idea which traditionally left leaning parties stand for.

[@babla69420]

What if they caused the pandemic?

[@os44881616]

@@babla69420 Oh yes big brain time

[@Cybernaut551]

@@babla69420 This pandemic is a natural occurring evolution of viruses.

[@MUSTASCH1O]

Similar to the political consensus after the world wars. Government is apparently good at allocating large amounts of resources to a few key goals, like a war or pandemic. People then mistakenly take this to mean the government can achieve all of society's complex and varied goals in peacetime as well.

[@babla69420]

@@MUSTASCH1O peace is overrated

[@DoctorFatman]

05:45 > _After all, many countries like France, the Netherlands, _*_Chechnya,_*_ Poland, [….]_ hol' up

[@mam0lechinookclan607]

I think he stumbled over his words

[@Pazzystar]

@@mam0lechinookclan607 I think he she must be cancelled

[@mam0lechinookclan607]

@@Pazzystar ok?

[@tescotrain]

Well, he is kind of correct.

[@Myriip]

Here in Germany we had over 16 years a center right goverment CDU/CSU (Merkel) and they basically failed 80% of the tasks to bring germany forword in the 21th century. We fall behind in spending into the infastructure, telecommunications, internet, railroad maint, armed forces etc. People are done with it plus the CDU/CSU had a very bad voting campaign, leading to that socialist win.

[@diogogomes432]

I think it also didn't help that Armin Laschet was a very uncharisatic person. NOt that Merz is an improvement, IMO it's evne worse both in charisma and ideals... Merz is exactly the kind of person the old fat cat memebrs of the CDU like but I don't think he will be able to conenct and convince voters to go for the CDU. They may end up putting Sodder running for chancelor, whose ideals are terrible but for some reason people think he has charisma... I don't see it but i guess some people do

[@zyanego3170]

*Social Democratic win

[@Myriip]

@@diogogomes432 Laschet is just a walking laughing stock and if the Union really does think Merz will bring them forword, a person who stands for backwards development like no other, oh boy. This will be so good :)

[@diogogomes432]

@@Myriip Yeah it's just the Union basis, that we all know it's a bunch of co servative old roch white guys, showing exactly the kins of person that party stands for. If they had choosen Norbert Rottgen I could see them actually having a chance, but with Merz I do think (and hope) they don't.

[@Myriip]

@@jizznuts Go cry somewhere else ;)

[@Ehrgeiz33]

I fucking hope so as a Dutchman, after 35 years of neoliberal prime-ministers I'm sick and tired of the growing inequality. And the Dutch labour party is very much part of the neoliberal core of the Dutch political spectrum.

[@theodorwicklin2976]

Really now? What neoliberal policies does the dutch labour party push for?

[@physiocrat7143]

When did the left ever do anything serious to deal with inequality in a sustainable way?

[@Ehrgeiz33]

@@theodorwicklin2976 Ik wacht nog op de teruggave van het kwartje van Wim Kok. Een flat-tax is een goed voorbeeld van regressief en neoliberaal belastingbeleid, vind je niet?

[@Ehrgeiz33]

@@physiocrat7143 When was the left in power for the last time in the Netherlands if you consider the Wim Kok governments "new-way"-neoliberal? I don't consider the CDA or VVD left, do you?

[@Ehrgeiz33]

@@theodorwicklin2976 En anders, de privatisatie van de zorg, educatie, integratie, OV en nog meer publieke sectors. Ik vind dit geen schoolvoorbeelden van sociaal-democratie qua beleid, maar er is wel op gestemd namens de PvdA en GL.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

5:46 I think you mean Czechia…

[@mateigheorghiu]

You guys should do some videos on Romanian politics as well, it's a big EU country anyway. PSD is a social democratic party mostly in name. It combines some left aspects like helping some poor categories, with quite strong right wing religious, EU-skeptic, nationalist and populist messages. Between 2016 and 2020 it was pretty much a Trumpist party. Now it's calmed down more. Also, we had quite big crisis in politics in the last years, more dramatic than the ones in Sweden you've kept on covering, so it'd be great if you made some videos on those too. Additionally, they never "came back", they won almost all elections there have always been, rarely going below 30%.You have great channels and I follow them!! But if you cover EU, maybe cover some Eastern Europe too, not just Western with a bit of Turkey and smth else sometimes.

[@VictorBohus]

I fully subscribe to this.

[@mateyp3365]

I think us Bulgarians with our many elections took up their Eastern European quota=)

[@enchantedplays7860]

Ah yes, the balkans

[@cgr_politica]

So the PSD is pretty much Christian Democratic?

[@mateigheorghiu]

@@cgr_politica not really. They have a bit of leftist attitudes to some parts of the population, and otherwise a conservative attitude to social issues (pro religion, anti lgbt, a bit anti EU less than a few years ago, bombastic nationalism). However, these are all the slogan parts. In reality they usually only care about spending funds for their party's members and leaders and pretty much nothing else; it's probably the most corrupt party. And while Romania has had awful governments, the Nastase government was probably the most competent and actually did something, was fully PSD, but insanely corrupt, the only reason they built a lot was because they were trying to make us join NATO and EU (which we eventually did). Otherwise, PSD is more about painting a falling damaged house in nice colors, to make it look repaired, while the party steals. Doesn't mean other parties are much better, but they are the most corrupt and most successful at it long term. They are basically the rebranding of the former ultra powerful Communist party. And they were always powerful because they were the only ones who knew how to do politics after 45 years of Communism, plus they had all the state structures full with their guys. This somewhat still remains true today, only Communist doctrine was replaced by let's say an oligarchical group mentality. Hopefully I explained it fairly enough.

[@idraote]

Let's put things straight. Current parties are not centre/left and neither are they social democratic. Those party are full centre with an occasional progressive attitude towards a few social issues. Past social democratic parties did not coddle corporations and tried to keep financial markets at bay, keeping the interests of the citizens a priority.

[@neodym5809]

Political spectra are relative. While the democrats in the US are left, they would be on the right in every EU country. So I disagree with you, the mentioned parties, compared to the other parties of said countries, are center left.

[@idraote]

@@neodym5809 True, political analysis must take the situation of the relevant country into account. But there is also a general theory of politics that classifies policies as left, centre and right (with all shades inbetween). Nobody in his own right mind would ever consider the Democrats as left, not even US political scientists. So, no, those parties are not left by any mean.

[@androkles04]

Is it perhaps more accurate to argue that it's simply the pre-pandamic political opposition that is on the rise in Europe, rather than Social Democracy specifically? It seems to me that many of the examples given here are countries where the center-left has been in opposition during the pandemic, which may more generally explain why they are gaining favour. Here in Denmark the center left has been in government during the pandemic, but its popularity has been steadily falling over the course of the pandemic despite handling it relatively well. I'm tempted to argue that maybe we're simply seeing that governments around Europe are losing support as the pandemic has raged on (regardless of how well they have handled it), and it just so happens to be the case that in many countries the opposition (or recently elected govourment) has been center-left. I'd also suggest watching Kraut's video on Social Democracy, where he lays out into the sociological landscape of Denmark - and Scandinavia at large - which shaped the foundation of social democracy (not the eastern block).

[@AleksTheAleks]

I mean genererally speaking, it's a common trait in politics that a government that rules during a crisis, usually doesn't survive the crisis itself. Churchill lost power after WW2 despite leading the allies to victory. In that sense I do agree with you, that (and even though I support the left wing) social democracy in itself maybe isn't the driving power of the trend in this video, and rather just the oppositions gaining ground during the pandemic.

[@wile123456]

You can make the same argument for fascism. Anti makers, anti vaxxers and lock down protestors are very often conservative and far right, and it's on the rise. So I don't buy your theory when both the left and right are on the rise. It's only centrism that is failing

[@endless2239]

@@wile123456 it's the center that is governing, or where you expecting disenfranchised right wingers to suddenly move to the left? so what's wrong with OP theory?

[@poltergeist7621]

The left in ex-URSS colonies are more conservatives than the right-wing in the rest of Europe. Also the left in Germany would be consideres economic neoliberal in Spain (my corrupt and stupid spendthrift country)

[@danielzhang1916]

I think it is more that governments around Europe are losing support as the pandemic has raged on, and now center left parties are gaining popularity as something different, time will tell if they can keep what they have gained, otherwise it will go back the way it came

[@erik_hayes522]

Showing already the labour leader of England and calling him the left is the funniest thing you can imagine. Might be worse than Tony fucking Blair

[@trevpack9458]

Came here to say this but knew someone would beat me to it

[@pebblepod30]

Maybe you're right that he is unfortunatley too neoliberal, but he probably isnt cool & woke either at least, which is good.

[@pebblepod30]

Clown Boris isnt doing anything about Forced Entry & Settlement (FEAS) into the country. Many Conservatives i listen to see him as totally useless. If Starmer would do as somr EU Left parties have done and say no to FEAS & economic migration too, still accepting legal & consensually entering Real Refugees (ar least as much as is possible)......well then i think he has a better chance.

[@erik_hayes522]

@@pebblepod30 i think the most important thing to change is the corruption and this man won't change it at all. They used lies and false claims to take down Jeremy Corbyn. Right now it just may be like conservatives and liberals both are the same dickheads

[@redred7289]

I guess you hope Labour will lose the next election then? You must have loved Corbyn. He could loose anything.

[@CartoonDrama44]

Having a channel about European geopolitics but not knowing the difference between Czechia and Chechnya does NOT make you look like a reliable source...

[@tonyhawk94]

And there's France where the 4 leading parties in polls are either centre right, right or far right covering roughly 70% of votes (Macron 25%, Pécresse 16, Zemmour 15%, Le Pen 15%). While the social democrats are polled at roughly 5% hahaha

[@ermin2248]

and Poland with presidential elections in 2020 resulting in 41% right wing, 30% center right, 13% center, 7% far right and the only left wing guy with 2% XD

[@DFandV]

@@ermin2248 Not entirely difficult Poland is a religious conservative country. Where across Europe you see religion declining. In Netherlands for instance where I am from, a recent poll said that over 50% are now atheist, however we have 3 Christian parties, but declining in seats in the last elections.

[@Debre.]

@@ermin2248 Presidential elections are by definition winner-takes-all, so you can't really compare those results to parliamentary elections in other countries. In this case, for instance, many center-left voters backed Trzaskowski in order to help his campaign build momentum, rather than backing the likely-losing candidacy of Biedroń - which is why he ended up at 2%.

[@ermin2248]

@@DFandV Poland isn't accually that religious as it seems. 90% of Polish people identify Christians but only around 1/3 practise religion so go to church, pray etc. Poland has the biggest rise of unreligious young people in Europe. But even irreligious people here can be conservative. For example the party that has the biggest popularity among young people is far right Konfederacja (including me, I'm agnostic but at the same time very conservative)

[@ermin2248]

@@Debre. in parlamentary elections The Left Party had 12%, I think that Biedroń had 2% because of two things. First Biedroń is too progressive which scared old voters that voted for the left party because they miss communism time and second the young proggresive voters were stolen by Hołownia

[@Azazello243]

Funny in hindsight how VisualPolitik did a video on "The great crisis of social democracy in Europe" just before the German elections.

[@fz8691]

I find them to be way too biased compared to tldr.

[@albetroz_]

@@fz8691 Yeah, they have a clear neoliberal or even libertarian approach to politics, but they say it openly (at least in their main channel in Spanish)

[@XanderVJ]

​@@albetroz_ It's not that they have "a neoliberal approach to politics". They literally ARE neoliberalists. Fonseca, the main channel creator, was affiliated with the Spanish Popular Party (Spain's conservative party, which became rabid neoliberalists in the 90s) before the channel was created. And yes, that applies to the channels in other languages too, since all those channels do is to localize the Spanish videos with no changes in the core content whatsoever. The thing is, EVERYONE was seeing that Social Democrats were in the verge of a come back when they made that video. My guess is that they were trying to create a counter-narrative in order to try at least mitigate it. Obviously, they miscalculated.

[@poltergeist7621]

@@XanderVJ PP is pretty social-democrat. Is literally the blue PSOE. Globalist with the same social and economic views. Also TLDR is pretty biased calling "far right" or "populist" the ones agains ilegal and massive inmigration when there are left wing parties against that too. Also the concept of targeting "far-right" to every (true) conservative party or the word "populist"...EVERYTHING in politics is populist. That's the main meaning of a political party. And also equating Le Pen and Zemmour as far right when they have 2 opposite economic vews just because they are conservatives in the social issues is pathetic.

[@poltergeist7621]

The left in ex-URSS colonies are more conservatives than the right-wing in the rest of Europe. Also the left in Germany would be consideres economic neoliberal in Spain (my corrupt and stupid spendthrift country)

[@juliankirk3928]

This is quite an anglo-centric view, particularly when it comes to your historical overview. France and Germany were largely led by the right during the "trente glorieuses" and "Wirtschaftswunder" postwar periods, not social democrats. Similarly, both the neoliberal wave and the reaction in the form of the "third way" only really happened in anglophone countries. Consequently, most of Europe doesn't have "service-based" economies, and are serious manufacturing /tech/pharmaceutical/agricultural hubs depending on where you look.

[@DOCTORKHANblog]

You're not really correct. Although countries like France, UK/Ireland Germany and the Netherlands were dominated by the right during post war period. They did have notable left wing governments as well. Plus, the neoliberal wave did effect most of Europe. Just not the same as the Anglosphere.

[@Lrripper]

No france had 30% communist voters but we had right wing president

[@dylanmurphy6894]

@@DOCTORKHANblog how was U.K. dominated by the right ?

[@samsoncooper1]

From 1951 till 1964 after Clement Atlee it was all blue, the country was Conservative for 13 years

[@tilli1514]

Also Schröder's SPD-Greens Government in Germany from 1997 to 2005 was the definition of "third way" politics. And as for the Economy types, most of the richer countrys in Europe have (at least to my knowledge) transitioned to a tertiary Sector Economy. At least Germany (where I'm from) has. The Rhineland for example has become significantly less important due to this shift.

[@sfp2290]

The social democrats in Denmark is actually being quite smart about the refugee part. A lot of people in Denmark have been worried about our failing integration policies (over the past 30 years mind you) and the immigration crisis from 2015 gave a large amount of breath to the right-wing parties, because they came with hard and difficult to argue against solutions to the problem. While the left-wing parties were much softer and, at least to some people, didn't even want to acknowledge the issue as a problem. So, while the social democrats lost some of their more left-leaning voters, because of their tougher stance. They lost them to the same left-wing parties, who support them. While also gaining voters from the right-wing, who do lean left, but ultimately wanted a solution to the immigration problem. From my perspective, this is exactly the reason why the left in Denmark is doing so well lately. Because it is the same situation as in 2015, but in reverse and about climate change instead of immigration. Where the right-wing parties are pussy-footing around and basically hoping for technology to solve the problem before deadline. While the left-wing parties have hard and difficult to argue against solutions. However, if Erdogan, Russia or other reasons around the world suddenly starts "breaking into Europe", then that will most certainly give the right-wing a breath of fresh air again. EDIT: By "Breaking into Europe" I was referring to Erdogan, Russia and other factors attracting/pushing refugees towards Europe.

[@JakobModus]

Wauw, who knew that decoupling policies from ideological total packages would be politicaly smart in this day and age? :/

[@neodym5809]

@@JakobModus Historically, Social democratic parties are anti immigration.

[@theabaddon7457]

What do you mean by "breaking into Europe"? Ideological, economical or influence based entry?

[@gaffalstudios3617]

Yeah I kinda wish we did the same in Sweden, the far right is rising and if S did what they did in Denmark I think people will finally take them seriously again since most people who vote right are just complaining about the imigration.

[@JakobModus]

@@neodym5809 if that's true, I did not know that.

[@dan_smet]

Really "Chechnya" ? Again?! It's Czechia. FFS...

[@fungo6631]

Now that aged pretty well, right guys?

[@hokton8555]

in most countries its just because of some recent events -their leaders (Lithunia, Germany) -death of the leader (Greece) -consolidation of the centre-left (Slovenia) -scandals (Norway, UK, Austria)

[@richiericher9084]

I don't know many people that voted for Germany's social Democrats because of their leader. His charisma is equal to that of an office chair...

[@hokton8555]

@@richiericher9084 Laschet was just so deeply unpopular that Scholz who had average approval ratings was seen as the best to replace merkel only very few politicans are charismtic

[@richiericher9084]

@@hokton8555 exactly. so the SPD's success was not because of their leader but because of the perceived unity and stability in comparison with the conservative CDU. Some might also say that policy agendas played a role aswell

[@John_Theobald]

There where no (or at least few) scandales that brought the Labour party (Ap) into power in Norway, but they have been having a lot of scandals now that they are in goverment

[@nicoheintel3212]

You finally managed to spell SPD right, instead of SDP - gg

[@swiftflight7927]

Well, both are right, with SDP being what it's called in English.

[@Debre.]

@@swiftflight7927 Well, no, the actual translation would be SDPG & literally noone uses that.

[@catmonarchist8920]

We had an SDP in the UK that was a big force pre-1990 and is a big part of political history so it's a very British mistake

[@demo9299]

Yes but at the cost of saying Chechnya instead of Czechia

[@heartsoul2988]

To be honest the elections in Germany last year were more influenced by the personalities of chancellor candidates then a move towards the german Social Democrats (SPD). Armin Laschet who was the candidate of the CDU is kind of a goofy personality and often not well informed about international and national political topics (especially in comparison with Angela Merkel). Even many conservative CDU-voters didn't want to see him as chancellor. People weren't enthusiastic about Olaf Scholz either but he was much more accepted as a serious chancellor candidate and not seen as a complete failure like Armin Laschet. However like you mentioned the political gaps between Conservatives (CDU) and Social Democrats (SPD) did decrease the last 20 to 30 years as well. Gerhard Schröder who was chancellor before Merkel did increase taxes and made some fundamental cuts in social standards as a SPD politician. With him the SPD lost his image as party for the working class and still has to recover from the image not beeing much of a difference to the conservative CDU. According to polls "Die Linke" (The Left) and "Die Grünen" (Greens) are the most popular parties amongst voters younger then 30 years. Unfortunately "Die Linke" or to be more precise many of their politicians (not all) are supportive towards Russia which can't be accepted by many and got obvious the past years. Though they follow the most straight politics for the working class and are in line with the Greens about climate change and green politics. We will see how it turns out the next centuries and if there will be a true renaissance of Social Democrats and more rejection of neo liberalism. I'm afraid that a decrease of living standars and a growing number of very poor people will also cause voters to get much more manipulated by the populism of right wing politicians and parties. Trump and also Brexit are a result of this like the history of my own country of course (Weimarer Republic and the Great Depression). Let's hope for the best and people make decisions more based on facts then feelings in future ✌

[@whatamalike]

The center left just seems preferable to anything else at the mo and actually feasible. That's all it is. The politics of hope is gone, now its a case of vote for the lesser of 2 evils. Its basically Tony Blair all over again and even then...iraq

[@mildamoudry]

Ughhh… really? It’s soo disheartening when people make the Czechia v. Chechnya mistake. Please try to be more mindful of that in the future! ❤️

[@andreylucass]

Shut up

[@Pidalin]

@@andreylucass your reaction is reason why some people are racists

[@mildamoudry]

@@Pidalin Both of y'all's comments are dumb af boys, nice job.

[@Christian_TH]

4:44 It should be noted that the centre-left government in Norway has experienced the most rapid decline on polls after an election in 50 years. With the centre-party losing more than half of its supporters in just 10 months, and labour falling below the conservatives yet again...

[@williamkline7922]

Um it might be a little presumptuous to assume Keynesian economics built Europe’s economy post ww2. One it’s easy to have massive growth when starting from rubble, and two America literally subsidized it by giving loans and lopsided tariffs in favor of Europe. I know it’s a quibble but it’s strange to say it worked when there’s lots of argument on that point.

[@oohforf6375]

You're quite right. Non-Keynesian, including many Socialist states, saw huge growth at the time too.

[@arielschant9841]

Lovely content! Thank you! 👏

[@Void_Sphere]

Excellent analysis and summary

[@ermin2248]

5:47 Czechia XD

[@rnanni1048]

In dutch politics most parties (also left) shifted towards the right. Those who didn’t lost very badly last election so I would say the whole political spectrum has shifted towards the right

[@fy1727]

Well to be fair, the SP and PVDA also lost a lot of seats because people voted for D66 hoping to get that "new leadership" that they promised. The Dutch voting landscap at the moment is basicly the neo-liberal VVD at tge top with a far-right party(PVV) and a center-left party(D66) following them. After thise three you basicly get a bunch of left-wing parties(PVDD, SP, PVDA, GL) and two right-wing parties (CDA and FvD) and then all the smaller fractured parties with 3 or less seats (DENK, SGP, VOLT, BBB, BIJ1). So I'd say tge left still has a pretty strong core, they're just too fractured and can't stand up to the the VVD at the moment

[@pebblepod30]

Is that really "to the right" though, or just "not being a doormat & irrational bleeding heart policies"? The acceptance & enabling of Forced Entry & Settlement is unjustifiable imo. My country also sucks compared to some others, but still wrong for me to do that. Legal & consentual entry is totally different, but still put locals first imo.

[@gruttepier7391]

@@fy1727 I would not call D66 centre-left. A party which is in any way left-wing should have a hard time collaborating with the VVD, and for D66 that was not really an issue

[@nathancov1165]

The vvd shifted a lot to the left

[@fy1727]

@@gruttepier7391 I mean I wouldn't either, but D66 is weird. Their promises are centre-left but their behaviour weak, eeeuuuhh...... I mean is centre to centre-right.

[@KhaalixD]

Great video!

[@andresjavierlopezmorales7630]

Could you please talk about Spain, the country that four or three years ago was hailed as the last bastion of social democracy

[@99czwojtek]

I wouldn’t say that it is “the rise of centre left parties” we need to remember that in most cases the rise of centre left was directly caused by poor performance of centre right like in UK where Starmer is really unpopular however Johnson is even more unpopular the same thing in Germany where the rise can be attributed to missteps in CDU/CSU and greens campaigns as a pragmatic safe choice. Italy have similar situation where 5star is basically a mess which boosts centre left party. We need to also remember that strong far right sentiment is present nearly all over Europe I think it is a short term spike which will be followed by rise of centre right parties and I have to admit that I hope so as centre left parties haven’t proposed any substantial programs placing themselves as just another alternative. I hope to see more prominent centre left parties because right now I don’t think they give much reason to vote for them apart from not being centre-right.

[@DFandV]

Or maybe they've realised the right has not really resolved of their issues.

[@picardas1638]

@@DFandV throwing more money on the goverment to solve your issues doesn't go well

[@DFandV]

@@picardas1638 Not always but sometimes it is good to boost purchasing power. But I believe that the left have become soft right, so looking at the two parties, there is hardly any difference between the two, fiscally they have turned right as well.

[@picardas1638]

@@DFandV rather get purchasing power by lower VAT taxes, social democracy is destroying portugal, the socialists only talk about increasing the darn minimal wage, and when they do it all the prices rise so we just lose purchasing power, no one spends someone elses money as careful as they spend their own, less goverment, the people are suffocating in taxation

[@neodym5809]

@@picardas1638 Depends on the problem. Health care, education, housing are areas which can be solved by governments increasing investment

[@alvarodvega]

Incredible that you cover details about Turin, but you don't say a single word about the whole Iberian Peninsula, which is under social-dem governments. You can't understand Europe without Spain and Portugal!!

[@niki123489]

Very good analysis!

[@mrmarvelpotter]

This guy's pronunciation of names remains atrocious.

[@Gallalad1]

Did you pronounce Czechia as Chechnya?

[@Lankpants]

Can you like, not claim that socialists focus on "equality of outcome"? This is a liberal capitalist phrase. Socialists do not use it. We just use the phrase equality. What a capitalist calls "equality of opportunity" we wouldn't even call equality. We can't focus on a phrase that we don't even use. This is a very capitalist framing of socialist goals that a socialist would completely reject.

[@mabimabi212]

Okay then what is the Socialist goal?

[@lewiedewymountaindewy]

you guys should do a TLDR news Australia, I think it would do really well here.

[@metroidnerd9001]

Sometimes I get really fascinated by how different certain parts of European politics are compared to American politics. In America, younger voters are much more left-leaning than older voters, but in at least some parts of Europe, that figure seems to be in the opposite direction.

[@covfefe1787]

@@jizznuts because america has been a immigration nation a country built on Diversity Europe has always been built of ethnosatets and the trying immigration thing for the last 50 years hasnt worked with the indigenous working class feeling replaced and neglected while the urban elite in the cities see the plus of having immigrants serve them for lower wages saving them money versus having a compatriot fight for higher wages because they know the economic landscape better than immigrants. the Young white working class has abandoned the Left in droves In Europe because they feel like they are being locked out in their own country less welfare and less support so they seek Right wingers who use their plight to their advantage to gain electorally. In america old people dont like immigration and the young who generally are better off see immigration as enriching so they are left wing in politics because young Americans tend to be from a migrant background and see themselves gaining ground in representation which in Europe is the opposite case. this is just my two sense and not a representation of my views but just a observation from living in both continents and talking to young people.

[@dylanmurphy6894]

@@covfefe1787 exactly, if I was born in the US I would be left wing too because I’m living on someone else’s homeland.

[@jackmonroe3284]

@@covfefe1787 can't deny most sensible explanation I have ever read thank you very much for commenting.

[@jackmonroe3284]

@@covfefe1787 I appreciate on your every words you nailed the facts.

[@The_king567]

@@dylanmurphy6894that’s just stupid logic

[@filipstanislav8443]

Please, try to pronounce Czechia or Czech Republic correctly, this is one of many videos with "Chechnya"

[@MattSmith-vt1lt]

*Czechia, not Chechnya

[@Nhosto]

Don't colour Lithuania pink, social democrats are only doing well in polls because the previous main (green who are not ecologists) opposition party collapsed. There is no movement, yet, in the electorate towards more social policies.

[@tmpcox]

Excellent explanation! Also, don't forget the increase of the gig economy which could give the (traditional) Social Democrats more support/momentum among young voters.

[@pistl5340]

In Germany the third way is a far right nationalist party… so there’s that.

[@kasetoast8354]

I mean, that has nothing to do with the 3. way in the history of social-democratic movements, but you are basically right. In germany we have a neonazi Party called the third way.

[@MrOnno333]

The collapse of the conservative center-right also plays a massive role in the rise of the social democrats. In Germany, the rise of the SPD was largely due to senior voters switching from the conservative right-wing CDU to the SPD. In Austria, the SPÖ is leading in some polls but this largely due to the Collapse of the ÖVP in the polls after the corruption scandal involving (Ex-)Chancellor Sebastian Kurz. Yes, the social democrats have picked up some momentum, but if the center-right parties didn't collapse they would be nowhere near power in most countries. This is also demonstrated by the fact that center-left parties are nowhere near their ratings they had a few decades ago, despite being in power. However, I highly doubt that either the center-left or center-right parties will ever manage that again in an ever-more fragmented political landscape.

[@poltergeist7621]

The left in ex-URSS colonies are more conservatives than the right-wing in the rest of Europe. Also the left in Germany would be consideres economic neoliberal in Spain (my corrupt and stupid spendthrift country)

[@heartsoul2988]

I definetely think the outcome of the elections in Germany was very much influenced by the personalities of the chancellor candidates. Armin Laschet who was the candidate of the conservative CDU was seen as a complete failure even by many CDU voters because of his lack of competence and kind of goofy behaviour (especially during the floodings in Germany). People weren't that enthusiastic about Olaf Scholz as well but in comparison with Laschet he promised more competence and experience as former vice chancellor as well. Olaf Scholz with his former poltical actions (he was the major of Hamburg where I'm living) doesn't belong to the left wing of the SPD and we will see how much the current coalition will differ from the former one especially when it comes down to poltics in favour of the wo3king class.

[@ElOchentero]

Well duh, obviously in most countries if the center-right fails the center-left rises and vice versa, that's how elections work.

[@MrOnno333]

@@ElOchentero In many countries over the last decade we've seen a shift from centre-right to right wing or even far-right parties instead of centre-left parties so I don't agree that it is 'obvious'

[@ElOchentero]

@@MrOnno333 but how much of that is the exception and not the rule?

[@thoso1973]

All the five Nordic nations have elected Social Democratic/Left/Green Governments or Government coalitions as of 2022.

[@patrickmccutcheon9361]

Will be interesting to see in four/five years how this works out. Will their economies have stalled? Will they have welcomed more migrants?

[@thoso1973]

@@patrickmccutcheon9361 Stalled? The Nordic Social Democrats have traditionally been good at economics since the 1990s. The Danish PM of 1993-2001 Poul Nyrup Rasmussen and his Government, is widely recognized as the gold standard of fiscal policy during his tenure by economists; he was a Social Democrat. He also effectively started the policy of paying back all of Denmarks debt held in foreign currency; today we have no external debt in foreign currency, thanks to subsequent Governments following the same policy.

[@nlb4329]

Tbh a few months back I saw the opposite, the Dutch pvda stayed small, spd was deep underwater in the polls, Poland , France , Austria , Italy , the uk all had solid right wing governments with no real way of changing that anytime soon (France basically has no left wing, Poland has a right wing and centre right party , Italy a big right wing in general, Hungary has orban who the entire opposition is now fighting which won’t become a social democratic government too. The only real social democratic growth I could notice was in Germany and that’s mainly due to the cdu’s absolute fuck up off a candidate

[@editorrbr2107]

Exactly this. Camps are hardening and dividing lines are being drawn even within nations. There's not a growing left-wing consensus; it's that the left and the right increasingly cannot forge ahead to govern with the other, much less have people cross party lines to forge effective coalitions or obtain votes. It's the same balkanizing you see in the US and in the UK.

[@yarpen26]

In Poland, the difference between social democrats and liberals is basically pure semantics. Just about the whole "help the poor fight the evil elites" rhetoric has long been appropriated by religious nationalists.

[@sintheemptyone8108]

@@editorrbr2107 It's the natural end point of party-ideology based politics, which just makes me glad I never chose to join that race to the bottom to begin with.

[@bowwak5366]

Current government in Poland is a mix of socialists and conservatives who have some sort of nostalgia about some things that were present during communist rule. It's populist movement and definitely in centre if not their conservative appearance on few things and strong distributionist agenda.

[@Vuda22]

Frankly i agree with this, but i'd add that his prediction of a rise in SD popularity in Slovenia is frankly a bit wrong, they have mostly gained their support from parties with whom they are in alliance with, such as LMŠ which lost about 20% of the vote since last election. Aditionally although our center-right SDS has only maintained it's popularity of about 25% other center and right parties have gained quite some popularity such as NSI and PoS where as The Left has made some interesting comments, such as "Communism and Fascism are not authoritarian." which have led to them stagnating and losing support.

[@Johann_Gambolputty_of_Ulm]

Not happy about this clip TBH. It skips various points important even for TLDR review, like: (a) what actually means "left" nowadays, (b) the past crisis of leadership among major SD parties, after blunders of Corbyn, Holland, Schroeder, Zapatero, (c) only briefly mentioned the shift of SD towards urbanized Middle Class, abandoning socioeconomically their voting base among lower classes, now taken by right or left demagogues.

[@samfreed5193]

Czechia is in the EU. Chechnia is a rebellious republic in the Russian Federation. NOT THE SAME!

[@patrickmccutcheon9361]

Might be hard for a Brit outside the EU to grasp this.

[@goodlookingcorpse]

Italy shouldn't have legs. It should just have a shoe over the south.

[@thecollaborativenegotiator3420]

It seens baffling that Labour seem so unwilling to use high profile, signature policies that would hammer Conservative weaknesses that are open goals right now. New policy pledges on democratic/anti-corruption reform, piloting Universal/Basic Income, a National Care service to help the NHS etc. Doing this would force the political discussion onto Labour favoured battlegrounds and hit the Conservative failures both at the same time. I cannot comprehend why they are refusing to do this.

[@vincent074]

I feel like the Dutch center right parties are also shifting towards more left leaning policies in recent years.

[@rnanni1048]

I would say center parties gone more right recent years.. With more extremes on both left and right side of politics, and les middle ground (polderen)

[@jorenbaplu5100]

The dutch have been libs since forever, they just really really needed D66 in the coalition this time around

[@JakobModus]

I don't know, it seems Rutte is just copying the method of Merkel: go with the majority

[@xshme]

In some aspects yes, VVD is doing a bit more on climate change, but its still far from enough

[@1995pieter]

meh, its true VVD will let go of their pure market philosophy. so thats good. but left parties have shifted more liberal over the decennia.

[@mike_mcgb]

>Kier Starmer >Left Lads

[@RealSweetTom]

Your explainer for social democracy is the best explainer I've seen so far. European Social Democracy appears to be different from other parts of the world.

[@jamesportoraro8248]

Solid 3rd way date joke at the end hehe

[@LatifBerisha]

5:47 Sorry TLDR News EU , from when Chechnya is part of EU?

[@gordonhowell9701]

Please call us “Czech Republic” and certainly not “Chechnya” -- the single biggest reasons we all (mostly ) hate the name “Czechia” is because it is too easy to confuse with the small Eastern European enclave which is very different… And you have proven us right … :)

[@carltomacruz9138]

By the same logic, Slovakia, France, and Italy should be called "Slovak Republic", "French Republic", and "Italian Republic" in casual speech. Those are their official names, just like "Czech Republic" is for "Czechia".

[@mikicerise6250]

Czechia's number one foreign policy goal: peace between USA and Chechnya. 😂

[@classicalmusic2388]

There's a parliamentary election this year, 2022, also in Latvia. Can you cover it too?

[@lampionmancz]

I have to laugh since ČSSD in Czechia is in a state of chronic death right now :D

[@FATHOLLYWOODB123]

As long as the Social Democrats of Europe don't open the doors to immigration. Protect indigenous European peoples, culture, and way of life.

[@jackmonroe3284]

Based on your observation will they do it?

[@portman8909]

It's tough being a social democrat with a hard stance on borders and culture continuity.

[@FATHOLLYWOODB123]

@@jackmonroe3284 no, and that’s why right wing parties are winning!

[@FATHOLLYWOODB123]

@@portman8909 I’m a social Democrat who believes in closed borders and continuity of culture! I might be 1 in a million, but I simply believe in a capitalist economy, with a socialist welfare state, and sealed shut borders!

[@portman8909]

@@FATHOLLYWOODB123 Well said! It's a shame some folks think you can't have both.

[@breachstudios9511]

Movement for change in Greece would probably see either a right wing to flat out central political parties come to power. Nea Dimokratia (A center right party) has seen supporting left wing activists even when they’re at fault, and has let the slogan “Let Greece die, so we can survive” slide

[@ComradeHellas]

Movement for change has the opportunity to play King maker in Greece, forming a coalition with the winner of the election.

[@thodorispapa9864]

When did ND support left wing activists?

[@theogijoe]

Wtf are you talking about? ND is far right wing and condemns everything that's left.

[@mikel9138]

@@theogijoe anything I don't like is far right

[@thodorispapa9864]

@@mikel9138 To be fair, ND does have far-right politicians in the parliament, some of them are actually ministers right now, but I would not call the whole of the party far-right.

[@hannovonbahrenfeld5986]

The consist mistreatment of names on this channel is almost on an American level

[@DERIKTHEGENERAL]

from looking at the maps: "Obviously this blue part here is the land."

[@Paranoid_Found]

5:13 I think that has more to do with two far right parties splitting the field. FdI surged in expense of Lega. PD share has been relatively steady it seems.

[@diegoyuiop]

PD got 18% in the last elections and are now polling around 20%, not much changed so far

[@elianotari5132]

That and 5 Star Movement showing no governing skills and committing suicide

[@piekay7285]

Unlike the other countries, Germany was never neoliberal. It has one of the highest tax rates in the world and high public spending unlike for example Japan or the US

[@popelgruner595]

True.

[@Theorimlig]

Sweden has a high tax rate too, but has definitely swung hard neoliberal in the last couple of decades. Privatization, tax cuts that mainly benefit the middle class, etc. Starting from a more social democrat place doesn't mean the current leadership can't be neoliberal.

[@westrim]

8:54 Can most Europeans understand that joke?

[@NuttyRedBaBonkerz]

where was this when i was writing my essays 😭

[@poyrazcoskun]

2:35 As a German resident I take a lot of issue with that naming. (There is a neonazi party in Germany called „der dritte Weg“, which basically translates to the third way.)

[@demo9299]

Funny thing, Nazis are also socialist

[@gerdforster883]

@@demo9299 They are not. That is just a stupid conservative talking point.

[@popelgruner595]

@@demo9299 Nope they are not.

[@ermin2248]

​@@gerdforster883 Why weren't they socialists? They discribed themselves as national socialists. Nazis made big social programs, made higher taxes and most importantly in 1933 they abolished legal protection of private property so nazis could nationalize property of everyone who didn't produce things that party wants. In that way NSDAP controlled what is produced, how much is produced and what price it has (hidden central economy). 3rd reich was very similar to USSR economicly.

[@ermin2248]

@@popelgruner595 Why weren't they socialists? They discribed themselves as national socialists. Nazis made big social programs, made higher taxes and most importantly in 1933 they abolished legal protection of private property so nazis could nationalize property of everyone who didn't produce things that party wants. In that way NSDAP controlled what is produced, how much is produced and what price it has (hidden central economy). 3rd reich was very similar to USSR economicly.

[@martinstent5339]

Didn't we hear about the slow decline of European Social Democracy a short while ago?

[@gig2734]

It goes up and down

[@catmonarchist8920]

Lucky to decline such that COVID hits the ruling right wing parties 🤷‍♂️

[@jojoje1]

It would be interesting to see the sources of your research. I know this is in TLDR-format but T think it would be good for the channel and for the few interested people who what to read further. :)

[@herewardthewake2636]

It's obvious it's a load of leftist claptrap.

[@GreenyGeoffreyG]

@TLDR News EU Malta is scheduled to have an election by Summer 2022, it is currently lead by a Labour Government (Left) for almost 2 complete election cycles now

[@CaimZheit]

The Italian part of this video is a bit lackluster. In the thumbnail instead of the secretary of the democratic party there is a somewhat tame figure, while somewhat important in Europe he isn't not important in Italy. Also the victories in three mayoral elections were won back from the five star yes, but the five star are a socialist populist party. It was definitely a victory for the more moderate center left, but not for the left as a whole since it damaged the greatest ally of the democratic party in the government. There is also the fact that due to Italy particular political history, the democratic party wasn't considered a overwhelmingly a left party for most of his history. Taking instead a centrist demeanor against the historic Communist party.

[@stewij1]

As an italian student of political science i can assure you 5 star ain't socialist, just populist, also you're wrong about the democratic party. It was created in 2007 in the context of a bipolar system with the hope of reuniting all the forces of the center left coalition in ( or almost all of them) into a singular party.The 2 main party's converging into the new force were the former communist party (renamed Democratic Party of the Left after the end of the URSS and the Fall of the Berlin wall ,and under the request of USA president Bill Clinton. and The Margherita ( a party reuniting the liberal catholic of the (nonsocialist) left that origianally were part of Christian Democratic Party( the party usually led the coalition before the birth of the Democratic Party)

[@stefanocagliani5984]

5 star want to increase public spending are supporters of minimum wage and universal basic income, democratic party is a centrist liberal party they are 1000 km away from being social democratic.

[@stewij1]

@@stefanocagliani5984 they're a Centrist party because of Renzi MP's inside of it, after the next election things are likely going back to the social democracy principals . Tho you forget to say 5 star wanted to get out of the EU , they voted in favor of the security decrets with the "League" that made thousand of previous legal immigrant illegal (increasing social tension immidiatly) they cutted the number of MP in parlament ( cutting pubblic rappresentation in big way in some region of the country ) and they're making opposition alongside the "League" over mandatory vaccination for covid, and always had a good number of no vax inside. They were in a coalition with far right party the "League". Also their leader and former Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte always described it self as a catholic democrat trying to give the party a more moderated approach

[@stefanocagliani5984]

@@stewij1 i know i Was trying to provide context, also no just because renzi left the democratic party is not gonna transform into a real social democracy. They never wanted to be such it was founded mirroring the same name party in the US which id not social democracy, not even close. They are more leftist on civil right issues tho and i agree on the things you said about 5 star i was just pointing out that many historical battle of the left aka italian comunist party were brought forward by them rather than by the democratic party. Unfortunately no real major left party remains in Italy only centrist or right.

[@stewij1]

@@stefanocagliani5984 of course i understand the comparison to the Democratic party in the Usa but due to the fragmentation of the Italian political sistem and also of the Italian society a more complex explanation is required . Also i like to remind that The communist party or the later know PDS was one of the 2 main founder of the Italian "PD". I understand your view , especially considering the experience of the current and the last legislation and the way more open middle class approach of the party, but i disagree . The PD is a social democratic party , not by ideology, but by default and by sum between the forces who made it. saying It's a center liberal party would be' extremelly wrong considering the political history of the country with a party like the "DC" being the main rappresentative to a certain extent of what you described

[@JakobModus]

Explaining politics with left and right is outdated really

[@XanderVJ]

I've heard that argument before, but the problem with that line of thinking is "how do we explain it, then"? Unfortunately, there's no time for creating a new nomenclature for this type of things, specially considering that a lot of the old left and right terminologies are still very relevant.

[@remirichard6901]

It would be great to see an analysis of the left in Canada.

[@markusb.3844]

Yeah, they are actually saying SPD now instead of SDP!

[@sobrietyK]

we need a soc dem party in the US

[@runedyrting8476]

Yes, You do, but I believe you already have one.

[@SrSander]

nah i think they don't, the democrats at best are just center-right and other parties are probably too small to be relevant, so

[@mateyp3365]

I wouldn't say Bulgaria is an exception to the trend- our new government could be broadly described as centrist, but with some left tendencies.

[@arthemis1039]

Also in France Macron as well as most of his government came from the center-left socialist party

[@digenesakritas1107]

Leftists might be on the rise in the North but in the South the Right is on the rise.

[@petitthom2886]

In France, not only it’s weak but it’s also deeply divided. Christiane Taubira didn’t have the momentum she expected, and the social democrats are in a bigger mess than ever, with an expected primary, only 3 months before the first round of the presidential race in April.

[@MistrValdor]

I would say nice video but how could profesional channel about European politics confuse Czechia with Chechnya in Asia -_-

[@aaronpaul9188]

They benefited from 5 star in Italy deciding that it would be neat to do the polar opposite of everything that gained them popularity. Spain doesn't have much of an alternative and the socialists are deeply unpopular there. Tories aren't remotely conservative at this point and Boris Johnson decided to alienate everyone who gave him victories and Merkel in terms of action basically was a social Democrat. Any gain from the left is entirely the result of the right moving towards the left in these countries. That'll work fine until the far right parties like Vox and AfD make pushes to be a viable political force, which is exactly whats happening in Spain and Italy. The key issue for the left is that even if they gain power, they have no idea how to solve these issues. Greens in Germany looked at the energy crisis and decided that electricity is too cheap. The left ideologically has no answers to inflation, or any of the challenges. Frankly, the left hasn't had a real new idea in Europe since Marx. All of the avante garde ideology is coming from the right. Until the left finds a way to answer some basic questions about the world they built, any victory will be temporary.

[@covfefe1787]

@@jizznuts well Right wing nationalist parties supporting Left wing economics like Polands “Conservative” party passes the most liberal child care laws possible the women has the right to bring her kid to work and the company must build childcare centers in their buildings or be forced will fines. they are only right win in terms of Immigration and Identity politics but economically they are far left.

[@erwindewit4073]

I would be great if that were to happen here in the Netherlands as well, but unfortunately my country is very very right wing conservative now, despite there being more than enough reasons NOT to vote conservative. But confusing Czech Republic with Chechnya, hmm :)

[@ermin2248]

not really. I'm Polish and even your PVV seems left wing to me XD

[@erwindewit4073]

@@ermin2248 Wow.. That’s pretty bad.. Too be honest, I’ve been to Poland a bunch of times, but I wasn’t much concerned with the politics.. More visiting a girlfriend 😀

[@ermin2248]

@@erwindewit4073 it isn't bad at all. Our overton window is just more to the right than Dutch but most of Polish people feel fine about this. We've democraticly chosen to be conservative.

[@rubiconprime1429]

Oh how the turn tables

[@sagestar7313]

Ur map in the start missed Denmark, we have a social democratic government

[@a.b.kn.1579]

I see it more as an outlier. Italy - the rise of PD follows the decline of M5S. M5S has basically disappointed its voters so some of them are now voting for PD again. But their rise isn't actually that strong, they are nowhere near 40-50% they used to be and if elections were held today, right-wing parties would almost certainly win. Slovenia - they have consistently elected centre-left governments since like 2004. Centre-right is actually stronger there then they used to be. Austria - I see no change there eather. The only change I see is that some OVP voters switched to FPO (which are both right-leaning parties), but centre-left support is pretty much consistent. Germany - SPD leader was just more appealing than CDU. Also, Germany is shifting to the left for some time now, CDU just kept winning because of Merkel's popularity. UK - Conservatives are in power since 2010. No party can be in power for that long without losing support. It has to happen sooner or later, voters just want change. Also, Labour is more consolidated now. Norway - same as the UK. Also, scandals. Romania - their centre-left is quite socially conservative anyway.

[@eeedward1996]

Romanian social democratic party suffers with corruption (more like all the parties)

[@elianotari5132]

Italy's centre-left never ever reached those percentages, sure the European elections in 2014 were massively won but the EU elections are always quite different from the local ones

[@federicom2801]

"Poorer and vulnerable members of society, such the elderly"... nope. Elderly are now the new rich, enjoying pensions that they never worked for and receiving most of the benefits from governments, since they are the biggest pool of voters.

[@teodordimitrov1162]

Just for curiosity where are you from? :)

[@teddyzaehmer]

I have a feeling you are talking about the financial burdens placed on the future of the younger generation in favor of the Elderly in spain. If thats the case, keep in mind that over there a problematic situation that is or will affect most of the western countries is entirely unice. So if we have a look at countries like great britan or germany, yeah, the elderly are the ones with the safest kind of income ( atleast for now, most of these programs for financing will run out at 2025) but still get affected massivly by poverty in the upcoming years. Just in short , i totally get the frustration, but understand that the gap between generations isnt the same in every european country and spain is a very extrem example.

[@XMarx-it1yj]

Italian PD isn't left wing unfortunately, I think it is inaccurate to put them with Labour parties and Social democrats ... Renzi made the party a neo liberal "progressive" force, just like USA Democrats Besides, The 5 Star movement has done much more "leftist" things than they ever did

[@francescovultaggio2540]

Nice video but Gentiloni is no longer the PD leader, Letta is

[@janjanosik5441]

5:47 (Czechia not Chechnya) please read it correctly next time, thx

[@KAESowicz]

Calling Czechia Chechenia :D

[@hamish5214]

In the Netherlands in the 1990s this 'third way' you describe got the nickname 'paars' (purple) > the mix in colours between red (social democracy) and blue (neoliberalism) .

[@Sorrentino_Gianni]

5:14 Source of the graph?