The rise of Russian fascism | Ukraine: The Latest | Podcast

Day 259.
Today, we discuss updates from across the war zone; analyse the latest diplomatic news from the U.S. and Europe; and we speak about the rise and development of Russian fascism with historian Dr Ian Garner.
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[@gogudelagaze1585]

That was such a great summary of Russian society. Most of my Russian friends have described that, but less eloquently. There is little room for introspection and rationality left in Russia these days...

[@user-ex9me7fd6o]

What it actually is is complete insane drivel, which is to say that it is British media

[@steveellis7748]

An excellent explanation of fascism by historian Dr Ian Garner without resorting to such asinine descriptions of 'far right'

[@mrgraham9007]

With the greatest of respect I believe Arnold Schwarzenegger said the right things in his video he spoke truth and this is what they need to listen to no good pussyfooting around give it to them straight it's the only thing they understand thanks guys only my opinion

[@TheMartymar1976]

Great reporting as always, nice to hear how our friends and allies " on the other side of the pond" are seeing things. Greetings from the USA!

[@APW554]

Hi from U.K. !

[@Alex-ki1jp]

Greetings' from London sir

[@HungryGhost999]

Thanks to our American friends for all their support of the free world 🇬🇧❤️🇺🇦🇺🇸

[@alexandervladimirov3939]

An excellent review of the situation in Russia! But there’s no independent sociology any more here… besides people afraid to answer any questions…

[@Anton-wv9nt]

I think this is a very deep and realistic picture of Russia. Excellent job.

[@kevinmunley9009]

Excellent analysis! Listened to every episode with my 7 year old son who appropriated "we are strong, we are Ukrainians" Greetings from US! Glory to Ukraine!

[@markheithaus]

I can definitely say I'm generally Republican and Ukraine influenced my vote. My national candidate didn't sound promising on Ukraine so I split my ticket. Democrat Federal and Republican state.

[@juliec5309]

And that is how people should vote...by platform rather then just looking at the letter beside the name. Unfortunately extremism is creeping into major parties and that is scary for your allied countries

[@TheMartymar1976]

I totally understand! I'm Republican but I also feel the Democrats have the right position on Ukraine.

[@HungryGhost999]

Wise choice

[@hunterpayne6167]

@@TheMartymar1976 I don''t think support for Ukraine is a right vs left thing. It is a centrist vs an extremist issue. Plenty of folks on the right (especially vets) support Ukraine. Mitch McConnell visited Ukraine early in the war. A group on the far left drafted a letter to ask Biden to stop sending weapons to Ukraine. Trump and Smith-Green aren't the Republican party, especially after Jan 6. The real trend of this midterm election is the more centrist candidates won most close elections instead of a left or right trend.

[@TheMartymar1976]

@@hunterpayne6167 I understand your point, it's well taken. Yes, support for Ukraine should be a bi partisan effort, however some in the Republican party have been questioning aid to Ukraine lately. I heard from somewhere that all the billions spent by the USA up to now (750 billion forgive me if I'm off) comes out to about 6 dollars an American.

[@StumpyVandal]

This podcast is absolutely outstanding. I found it a couple of months ago but really I wish I had of discovered it earlier.

[@barbarcreighton6726]

so good , that we need a text and a translation into Russian ..... so as to explain it to our acquaintances in the " фашистская федерация

[@edwardtobin169]

Well said , I’m stuck on M25 ( stop oil protesters ) … 4 hours 😮

[@Anton-wv9nt]

Еxcelent! Great research, great ideas

[@Xasrew]

Great stuff. Thanks for having Dr Ian Garner on the podcast. 👍

[@dantarradellas7351]

Fantastic Interview. Wow !

[@dra.ruthrodriguez-noboa4405]

Excellent analysis!

[@Aconitum_napellus]

One of the sad things is that Russia does have a history of genuinely progressive and beautiful movements and thinkers. People like Tolstoy, Kropotkin and Emma Goldman. Egalitarians, peaceful and hopeful.

[@Waverlyduli]

Perhaps we don't refer to authors as movements here, since in the aggregate they didn't manage to move much Russian fascism out of harms way.

[@johnLee-bb2do]

Listening from Singapore. The best news on the situation by far.

[@amethysttravis4894]

Very interesting. Cheers from 🇨🇦

[@sballantine8127]

Really intelligent conversations by very knowledgeable, smart people. Highly recommended.

[@vicgarbutt3310]

I enjoyed your guest, Dr Ian Garner. He is quite the poet.

[@joespringer-miller1117]

Always informative: Listening from Phan Thiet, Vietnam

[@martinxxxmartin]

Amazing insights about the Fascism in a wider sense by the History Expert.

[@mickdundee2642]

Slava Ukraini 🇦🇺🇺🇦🌻🔱

[@maximchikus1318]

Geroyam Slava

[@duncanbirnie4158]

Fabulous content,very revealing of what is going on in Russia ?scary 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

[@kbkb1290]

I wish victory Ukraine

[@jamesthomas4841]

@@evolassunglasses4673 😉 strange how so many members of the Russian minority are fighting for an independent Ukraine.

[@Nemecida]

No

[@jamesthomas4841]

@@evolassunglasses4673 Didn't happen

[@keesverdegaal4603]

Great podcast, more debate please, and check out 1420 about Russia. Greetings from Holland.

[@williamswenson5315]

Reverse engineering is one thing, but manufacturing in quantity is an order of magnitude more difficult. While the Iranians are intelligent and capable, they currently lack the sophistication to manufacture weapons first fielded in the 80's and 90's. The weaknesses and countermeasures against anti-air and anti-armor systems produced decades ago are well understood by the West.

[@Edo9River]

I prefer the intro with that 1. Ukrainian guy,2. Boris,3,Liz, 4. your new PM, what's his name? and then the next PM in 2023

[@stukafaust]

My favourite podcast on this topic

[@sagngameplay]

Thanks for the daily podcast. Greetings from Sweden

[@Kaiyening]

Great interview, on point!

[@WorldJazz59]

Excellent update @

[@888Longball]

This was very insightful. Thanks!

[@alexandervladimirov3939]

Have to add that such soviet benchmarks as the National hymn, Ylyanov (Lenin) mausoleum, Dzhugashvili (Stalin) grave on the Red Square and regions/streets named under bolsheviks names are still existing in the modern Russia, the soviet hymn had been returned by Putin personally…

[@raykeane9345]

"Bandara is our father" Ukraine is our mother" that song from Ukrainian soldiers says it's all....... find out who Stephan Bandara is before calling anyone else a fascist...... 😂😂😂

[@alexandervladimirov3939]

Sorry to correct a bit, but Kirill Stremousov didn’t sign docs with Putin for Kherson region, it was Vladimir Saldo

[@keithscott1957]

I believe that we should send aid to the Russian soldiers. I have a very large stock of white flags that they would appreciate.

[@Edo9River]

From my experience, the Russian university students, are certainly sensitive, vulnerable mentality. So, I agree with what this lecturer has stated. the idea of self sacrifice to the state is pretty strong...

[@teddited9682]

Recommend Yale professor Timothy Snyder’s recent course on Ukrainian. He says, and has said many time previously, that the only way a colonial or fascist power reforms is when it loses the war, e.g., Germany and Japan, thought there are many other examples. Very Canadian view that reforms can occur because of sweet positive emails and tweets. Maybe if we send them chocolates? But weren’t the refrigerators and kiddie train rides enough?

[@hunterpayne6167]

Be careful with that specific course. Snyder's politics aren't ideal for someone covering Ukrainian history and he isn't especially good at seeing his own biases. It is a bit like having a hard right winger cover the holocaust. His coverage of the 1918-1945 period is not especially strong for this reason. There is better historical coverage of this topic from other historians. But his course is accessible and a good start to cover this rather ignored topic in history.

[@Markusctfldl]

Snyder is literally mouth-breathing neolib who wants the west to rule the planet.

[@captoblivious1]

We should send some weapons to the Iranians. Maybe they would like a few Tomahawk Cruise Missles delivered to their weapons production facilitys.

[@juliec5309]

I know this means full war but I feel that as well. As a supplier I would say nope if I see my equipment used against civilian infrastructure

[@Edo9River]

Hey, there might be the hope of those Russians who have left the country. He doesn't mention the potential influence of these people, but not in the short term, Theyre not organized, and don't particularly seek organizatioin, but these young people are the hope for the future.

[@Edo9River]

So we have to reach out to these Russian Vloggers like INSIDE RUSSIA for example, and Zack, and Dear Dima

[@RobBCactive]

Russians do nothing, the fascist state is somebody else's problem, so long as it doesn't call them up.

[@stephenarmiger8343]

Listening from Dillon Montana

[@MollysMom19]

What about the impact of Ukrainian kindness to POWs? Will these prisoners return to Russia with a better impression of the West or will they perceive the West as weak?

[@nakedhands]

One of the best defensive actions in WW2 was Tobruk and The Battle of Britain in the air

[@agateplanet]

A " car crash." Sounds totally plausible. Just another ' accident '. Randomness can appear concentrated sometimes and we shouldn't read too much into it. Got it.

[@numptybumpty7463]

If Iran sends long range rockets to Russia then NATO should send Ukraine long range rockets

[@DrCruel]

Russian fascism dates back to the 1920s. It's no accident some invaders of Ukraine flew Bolshevik flags from their tanks.

[@alexandervladimirov3939]

not Yury Petrov, but Yury Vlasov,- the Olympic champion in powerlifting

[@duncanbirnie4158]

I hope the heads of state of the World are taking note 🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈

[@john_in_phoenix]

It's interesting how Europe (and even a lot of Americans) equate what Trump wants in regards to Ukraine as equal to what the Republicans want. In particular on this topic, not even close to a majority of Republicans want to stop or decrease aid. Trump may want to, but I seriously doubt he would be able to persuade a majority of Republicans, much less Democrats.

[@RobBCactive]

Those Trumptard Republicans manage to gain more headlines. The letter to Biden urging peace negotiations from a progressive caucus gained similar publicity despite it being rescinded. Kevin McCarthy talked about not writing blank cheques so pretending the extremists don't have influence is not going to be believed.

[@georgemiller151]

Modern Republicanism rejects democracy and endorses authoritarianism. Putin is admired by the insurrectionist cult of conservatism.

[@john_in_phoenix]

@@georgemiller151 What a crock.

[@Broatch6]

trumps putins no 1 fan-boy . Pathetic looser . Let’s hope American Republicans dump him soon

[@raykeane9345]

Who is Stephan Bandara???

[@stensarapuu5208]

Hungary is holding back the funds, as usual..

[@Back2Eire]

Interesting conversation but some of the trends is extremism extends to all groups on the internet not just extremism in Russia. In the West this same type of behavior exists in almost all groups both left and right wing. The real challenge is how to preserve moderation and the center.

[@johncraig4820]

NLAWs, Stingers, and Javelins are all pretty old systems why are they worried. M2 and M3 Bradley's are system is looking to phase out why are they being sent

[@benefiet]

Every podcast of the telegraph got to include some EU bashing.

[@sandtable8091]

Unfortunately fascism and extreme groups thrive on simple, endlessly repeatable tropes. Populist and dangerously extreme politicians clearly aren't only found in Russia but all over. Educating the public to make informed political decisions. It's long term, expensive and difficult, see Germany. Change is easier to implement after catastrophic defeat and occupation but can it be done, as your guest speaker suggests, remotely?

[@polarper8165]

And so Sparta returned…

[@jponeill2151]

The Torygraph certainly knows all about facism..

[@LuciferMornStar]

Javaline is old pretty sure we got better coming out!

[@errolkim1334]

Are there any fascists in Ukraine?

[@happyhappynuts]

Slava Ukraini

[@lorax8172]

A car accident, with plenty of bullet holes

[@salassian3162]

I keep listening to the opening when he says: "Nobody's gonna break us. We're strong. We're Ukrainians." Hoping he instead lets this fly: "We're strong. We're cossacks." Cuz they are.

[@nikicutts8097]

Fascinating! Niki from prague (via Yorkshire)

[@newyorkskier]

My guess is that the reason why Putin decided to withdraw from Kherson was the US mid-term election results. He was hoping that Republicans and the MAGA crowd will come to power and arms to Ukraine will be curtained which gives Russia fighting chance to hold on to Kherson. But as the results came in and it became clear that there will be enough support in the new Congress, even if it is a Republican one, might have figured in his calculations to announce withdrawal from Kherson. Look at the timing!

[@osric1730]

No I think its because I made a cheese sandwich yesterday and the moon is in Ares. I mean look at the timing... The repositioning of Russian forces in Kherson has been going on for weeks and the impact of a Republican landslide wouldn't have been felt for months, long after the situation in Kherson would have become critical.

[@RobBCactive]

Very drôle! The artillery knocking the chit out of Kherson pontoon bridges for months had nothing to do with it.

[@hunterpayne6167]

I doubt it, it is because the Kerch bridge will take months to fix. The Russians can't supply the right side of the Dnipro well enough so trying to hold it is just a waste of the few quality troops Russia has left. And the Russians have been withdrawing for weeks already. The timing is about the progress of that withdrawal. The reasons for the withdrawal are about military and logistics issues.

[@angelomar8577]

Pet Shop Boys - Go West

[@PapaDutch]

Another note on Socialist Utopias: this ideology continuously holds up some sort of model of the Utopian life they strive for, but it is never (and must not be) achieved because it would ruin everything for the head robbers in charge...

[@teddited9682]

Trumpite, anti Ukrainian politicians mostly lost in US elections.

[@robertsteele474]

Gained seats in teh House actually.

[@grahamelliott9506]

horseshoe theory was right

[@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244]

In order for Christian Salvation to be "real" the Bible must be taken literally. If it is just a metaphor, with a selection of what to apply offered as a kind of toolbox for creating personal and social cohesion, then the mechanism of "Gace" is contradicted. The New Testament condemns homosexuality, let alone the LGBT/QRS, etc. This opens the problem for Christianity because once it is to be used as a metaphoric toolkit, the doctrine and "story" falls apart pretty quickly. The speaker is likely a Christian Socialist. Northern Europeans are mostly Christian Socialists. They modified Christianity into a handy universal system for political use. Because of its long establishment in his culture, he is blind to the Christian interpretation he holds which is every bit as "blasphemous" as the Russian Orthodox political myth-making. Of course, I believe that this is what has always happened in Christianity from the start. Even Paul in the first century was engaged in argumentation against other opinions of Christianity. This amounts to political infighting. Once the then-so-called Orthodox Christianity gained political power by the end of the fourth century, they declared all other sects of Christianity heretical and immediately began to persecute and purge them' a process that went on until the 18th century. This is why Western Civilization has always been locked in turmoil and won't escape it as long as it exists.

[@MrSonofsonof]

Isn't turmoil an inherent part of all civilisations? It's not as if Africa or Asia are paradigms of peace and tranquility.

[@stevenmillikin558]

In no way was one of the throw-away comments presented here accurate, i.e., that certain MAGA Republicans has made any "pro-Putin" statements! I'm a Democrat and even I wouldn't dream of fabricating such a false statement! There are some who question the U.S. borrowing money to finance the Ukraine as well as some asking if helping Ukraine is any of our business, but that misrepresentation was beyond the pale. Tell the truth, please.

[@canadiangemstones7636]

Truth is Dirty Donald worships Putler...

[@stevenmillikin558]

@@canadiangemstones7636 That's delusional. He put sanctions on Russia, hardly a worshipful move.

[@edgaralbion7724]

Fascism is german?

[@edgaralbion7724]

Japanese Fascism make me cry :(

[@oxana3806]

As a Russian I am a little taken aback by the somewhat depressing comments on the state of Russian society. My view is that all this nationalistic patriotic religious obsession is skin deep and will disappear given a chance to live differently. After the USSR collapsed, nobody needed retraining, Russian people were jumping head first into western culture. Our society is naturally secular, genuinely close to western and the people are simply compliant to the oppression. LGBT hatred is artificially boosted, not deeply seated in the society. Please don't be fooled by the propaganda.

[@JuliesTales]

I used to think about the Russian society in the same way, justifying everything by the influence of propaganda. But I think it's denial. Look at those women whose fathers/brothers/husbands were mobilised, they complain about the conditions that their men ended up in, but not about the war and the fact that they were sent to kill people in Ukraine. The rest say that politics is not of their concern. Horrifying.

[@Ninecircles123-df9iq]

I am ruscist

[@bencole2892]

I love the podcast but find the over politeness a real distraction from the content.

[@yvelaine]

Everything was going quite nicely for Ukraine until Putin came along . Stay strong Mr Zee .

[@annflynn7209]

That’s what enoyed pootin. He was afraid russians should see the progress in Ukraine so Ukraine had to become enemy.

[@branscombeR]

@@annflynn7209 ... hence the mass liberation of toilets and washing-machines ... R (Australia)

[@Nemecida]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[@akespt]

I can't but burst with the parallel experience of MAGA Americans

[@melbaga6030]

Fascinating analysis on the power of myth to define reality. I feel like I’m listening to a commentary on the Book of Revelation. It’s the war of myths. Over and above all these myths is the “myth” of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Fascinating!

[@BaronVonHobgoblin]

I would appreciate more in-depth coverage of the military situation. I feel this podcast isn't so much interested in either the actual fighting or the geopolitical situation surrounding that fighting so much as it's interested in tooting its own horn. I could care less about the opinions of the reporters or guests, especially when those opinions are on irrelevant topics, I want the facts so that I can make up my own judgements and the simple fact is this podcast fails to provide those facts. If I want to listen to someone editorializing about the Ukraine War, I would appreciate that said person have a military or governmental background who is not concerned with constantly people-pleasing the rest of the "contentious objectors" that occupy positions within the media community itself. In other words, I am, as an audience member, not responsible for this podcast producer's decision to create an frictionless echo chamber. In any case,I shouldn't be the one asking the difficult questions.

[@draganjagodic4056]

With LGBT unnecessary mentioned here so many times, I guess members of LGBT will organise their own division or at least battalion to fight against putler?

[@paulmitchell5349]

No faces ,no interest. Bye.

[@Markusctfldl]

British media really has descended to comedic levels. lol

[@CommentConqueror]

I don't like labeling ultra nationalism in Russia as fascism. FASCISM is a dirty word there and no ultra nationalist embraces that word. If we're calling nationalst Russians fascists we should call nationalist Israelis fascists... See what I mean? Culturally unacceptable. Respect their history.

[@christopherhandford1888]

Fascism has become a somewhat meaningless pejorative term that western intellectuals tend to throw at any political movement/regime they don’t like. Dr Ian labels all ‘bad’ things as Fascism, even though they can be seen in regimes of all different stripes. Need to apply Occam’s razor and call a spade a spade.

[@nian60]

The orcs are 100% fascist. Call a spade a spade.

[@Edo9River]

From Odessa, why don't Ukrainians send a cloud of drones as a distraction while an amphibious strike force sneaks out and hits the Russians behind their defense lines, north of Crimea?

[@RobBCactive]

Sending vodka is cheaper

[@Ykpaina988]

ruscism

[@techytrendysolutions6063]

But Hindustan Times are so Fanatic to Putin Propaganda 😅

[@GUMMRUCHK]

What utter none sense.

[@user-kf9fp1kv9i]

آسِالُكِ بّالُلُُه الُجْلُيَلُ الُجْبّارَ انَ تْنَقًذَنَا قًبّلُ انَ نَمٌوَتْ مٌنَ شِدِتْ الُجْوَْع انَيَ انَتٌْخيَكِ انَيَ دٌِخلُةِ ْعلُى الُلُُه تْمٌ ْعلُيَكِ انَيَ فَيَ وَجُْهك انَـيَ اخـتْكِ انَـيَ اتْرَجْـاكِ اتْـوَسِـلُ الُـيَـكِ انَـقًـذَنَا لُـوَجُْـه الُـلُُـه. يَــشِــُهدِ الُــلُــُه يَاٌخـيَ انَ مٌنَ الُــصّــبّاحُ حُـتْا الُـانَ يَــحُــرَمٌ ْعـــلُيَـنَـا الاكل غير الماء ( (آنيِ آتٍرجُآك وآتٍوسلّ آلّيِك يِآآخيِ آن تٍقرآ رسآلّتٍيِ هًذٍآ گٍآمٌلّهً وولّآتٍتٍرگٍهًآ بدون ماتقراها اخي اول گٍلّآمٌيِ آنآآقسمٌ ببآآلّلّهً علّى گٍتٍآب آلّلّهً آنيِ لّآآگٍذٍب علّيِگٍ ولّآآنصِب ولّآآحًتٍآلّ آنيِ بنتٍ يِمٌنيِهً نآدحًيِن مٌن تٍعزُ آنآوآسرتٍيِ وعلّيِنآآجُآربيِتٍ آلّشهًرب13آلّفُ يِمٌنيِ وآلّآن علّيِنآ42آلّف حًق3شهًور وصِآحًب البيتٍ مٌن آلّنآس آلّيِ مٌآتٍرحًمٌ والله يااخي انه يجي كل يوم يبهدلناويتكلم عليناويريد ان يطردنا من البيت للشارع لانناماقدرناندفعله الاجارومايروح إلئ بعدمانبكي ورجعوتكلموعليه الناس ومهلنالاخرهذا الاسبوع وإذامادفعناله حلف يمين بالله انه بيخرجناإلئ الشارع بدون رحمه واحنااسره ايتام فقراء مشردين من بلادنا بسبب هذا الحرب ولانجدقوت يومنا وعايشين اناوامي واخوتي سغار والدنا متوفي الله يرحمه ومامعنااحدفي هذاالدنيا يقف بجنبنا في هذا الضروف القاسيه ومامعي اخوان كبار اناالكبيره في اخوتي ولكن انابنت لااستطيع مثلك ان اروح اشتغل بين الرجال واصرف علئ اسرتي والله ثم والله يااخي انناقدلنايومين محرومين من لقمت العيش ومعي اخوان سغار انظركيف حالتهم اقسم بالله يااخي انهم خرجومن البيت للشارع وشافو الجيران ياكلو راحووقفوعندبابهم لجل يعطوهم ولوخبزه يابسه يسدوبها جوعهم والله الذي له ملك السموات والارض انهم غلقو الباب وطردوهم ورجعويبكوايموتومن الجوع مااحدرحمهم وعطانهم لقمت عيش والان لومااحد ساعدنا بحق كيلو دقيق اقسم بالله اننا انموت من الجوع فيااخي انادخيله علئ الله ثم عليك واريدمنك المساعده لوجه الله انشدك بالله وبمحمد رسول الله يامن تحب الخير واتساعدني ولو ب500ريال يمني ان تراسلي واتساب علئ هذا الرقم00967716696871 وتطلب اسم بطاقتي وترسلي ولاتتاخر وايعوضك الله بكل خير فيااخي انت رجال إذاشفت اسرتك جاوعين تعمل المستحيل من اجل تامن لهم الاكل ولكن انابنت عيني بصيره ويدي قصيره ليس لي اب مثلك يمسح دمعتي ويحميني من الذل والأهانات وأخواني سغار شوف كيف حالتهم وساعدناوأنقذناقبل ان يطردونا في ألشارع نتبهدل او نموت من الجوع انااقسم بالله الذي رفع سبع سموات بلاعمدوبسط الأرض ومهداني لاأكذب عليك بحرف من هذا ألرساله واني ماطلبتك إلئ من ضيق ومن قسوت الضروف والحال الذي احنافيه واناوسرتي نسالك بالله لولك مقدره علئ مساعدتنا لاتتاخر عليناالله يحفضكم ويرزقكم،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،،... .

[@stroker883]

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[@johnbutler7527]

Dr Ian Garner is fundamentally wrong - Calling Putin Fascist is completely off - why did he ignore Alexander Dugan & the 4th Political Theory?

[@osric1730]

LOL Dugin is a fascist. He takes his inspiration from pond life like Herman Wirth who was a member of the SS. He may have become self aware enough to distance himself by the time of the 4th political theory, but his Volkisch outlook stands out like dog's balls.

[@RobBCactive]

Dugin's irrelevant, just founded a shabby ethno-nationalist geopolitical school. Dugin's a self publicist not part of Vladolf Pootin's inner circle

[@christopherhandford1888]

100% agree. So many lazy western intellectuals throwing the label Fascism around at anything they perceive as bad

[@osric1730]

@@christopherhandford1888 That's generally true. Except in this case it isn't.

[@matthewrussell8590]

What about the rampant raise of Ukrainian fascism

[@Bonjour-World]

What utter nonsense.

[@matthewrussell8590]

@@Bonjour-World facts, keep watching the BBC Balentine 👍

[@Diggnuts]

Lets see. Ukraine has only a small percentage of right wing parliament members. It did not cultivate the image of the glorious leader who will bring back greatness. They do not lean on some fabricated origin myth or myth of succession. They do not have a national scapegoat. They were not isolationist but were seeking regional and global cooperation. In fact, all the key attributes of fascism are completely missing from Ukrainian politics and society at large. There are no fascist tenets to be found that are rampant, so no. Ukrainian fascism is a non-issue.

[@happyhappynuts]

well if there were bombs falling on Kamchatka and St Petersburg electric plants and hospitals, we might care about Russian perspective. For now it's Russia behaving like inhuman fascists

[@patbaker399]

And even if Ukraine actually had a rising fascist movement, what possible aggressive threat could the 22nd strongest military in the world offer the 2nd strongest military.

[@777merkaba]

Glory for Russia 😍

[@williamswenson5315]

Yes, the Russians need to enjoy the great hereafter...en masse.

[@Bonjour-World]

A Russian victory is Putin and Prigozhin being prosecuted, convicted and executed for War Crimes.

[@WayneTheSeine]

Yea....in the future, Russia can have something similar to the May Day parade, wherein they celebrate the capture of a Ukrainian village with a population of 700. The parade will showcase its military might......T64 tanks, and a trebuchet or two. 🤣🤣

[@benoitbvg2888]

"Each of us fights for what he lacks the most"

[@WayneTheSeine]

@@BMYXTC So Russia is getting their teeth kicked in with what.....rocks?

[@johnbutler7527]

Don't think these contributors know what "fascism" is - Putin is not fascist.

[@hmmcinerney]

He’s certainly evolved into it recently. And he pretty much ticks every box, except for the funny walk.

[@jacqdanieles]

Look up Timothy Snyder's book on fascism. Putin is a fascist.

[@canadiangemstones7636]

He can’t grow a mustache is only difference.

[@branscombeR]

We await your deeply researched & argued book on the subject ... R (Australia)

[@MusicheadRick]

No not fascist, but something much much worse: "Rashist"

[@wildekroko]

I don't think Putin will be dead

[@eeroraute281]

Lol people saying russia is fascist while using slava ukraine lol when i was using slava ukraine first it was the ukrainian sieg heil or za dom spremni

[@rochehanou2141]

We are all with Russia 🇷🇺

[@jerbil9353]

Who is we exactly? North Korea?

[@happyhappynuts]

Slava Ukraini

[@Afterthoughtbtw]

@@jerbil9353 I'm guessing 'we' is Roche and the person who liked their comment? Which is also probably Roche, to be fair.

[@hotpearlsnatch2574]

Russia is the laughing stock of the world they have truly embarrassed themselves during this invasion what a bunch of goons

[@APW554]

Mmmm may want to rethink that comrade……