The Rule Changes F1 Got VERY Wrong

[@aaditsangvikar3878]

WTF1: "We don't tend to see a final race showdown that often." 2021: "Hold my beer"

[@snip3s945]

And it wasn't just the last race, it was the last lap of the entire season. Plus it was between two different constructors. Definitely was an epic season!

[@guitarsimon1]

“Hold my 5 lapped cars”

[@benjaminringrose536]

Editor: How much stock footage do you want. WTF1: All... all of it.

[@tar3712]

Yes

[@DiscoDevil197]

They read the guide on how to make cookie cutter videos with no effort

[@davidbreton927]

and Im loving it....

[@KevinKickChannel]

Thank you Benjamin Ringrose for not using the overused "Yes" meme like Tarun Ephrem did

[@rb2k196]

"And there'd only be a few cars finishing the race" **Valencia E-Prix laughing in the distance**

[@thelonesculler]

*Monaco 1996 has entered the chat*

[@luggatz4460]

@@thelonesculler USA 2006 **Let me One up you**

[@raksy9475]

@@luggatz4460 2005**

[@ahumeniy]

Formula E has had several parallels with the early days of F1

[@milan_langer]

@@luggatz4460 USA 2005 had 6 finishers, Monaco 1996 had 4 finishers. So you're wrong there

[@Side-by-side1]

Imagine medals were still around... Lewis would toss those medals into the crowd every grand prix and still have some to spare for Mercedes teammates lol

[@markosl428]

they should bring them out for a race.

[@Rehan83587]

Watch the 2016 championship deciding grand prix ..... How selfish ur Hamilton is... And by the way anyone can win in mercedes.... Watch George

[@AnimalzyNL]

@@Rehan83587 No one said it was hard for him to win in a Mercedes. It's an undeniable fact that Lewis would have an idiotic amount of medals if every podium got him one. I dont particularly like Hamilton nor Mercedes, but I hate when people have to hate every time anyone mentions either of them. It's just disruptive for the sport.

[@barrybraynen8786]

@@AnimalzyNL Exactly and people say anyone could win a merc but the real question is how much would win against lewis

[@seanonraet8327]

@@Rehan83587 he wanted to win the championship why wouldn't he have been?

[@chenenzejackson]

I still think the one-lap qualifying was the best. You have one shot. Pressure is on. No room for mistakes. Very good chance to mix up the grid. Also you save on fuel and every hot lap gets televised thus attracting more sponsors.

[@discodavid26]

While I wouldn’t change this current qualifying format for any love or money …… I would bring it back for Monza and/or any track that has any tendency to have drivers go super slow then fast like in track cycling purely to get the slipstream …… that’s why indycar only has single car run qualifying format for all its oval tracks like Indy which is a four lap run for qualifying positions

[@markberrisford1997]

Problems came with track evolution and weather changes

[@wombat4191]

It's like in most sports where you go a certain distance to get the best time possible. You don't try again and again until you are satisfied with your time in 100 m sprint, or skiing (either downhill or cross-country), or WRC. So I at least wouldn't see this as a weird change, TBH.

[@DailyShit.]

There is only one problem. The track is just an oval.

[@sircumfrence_0]

@@DailyShit. …this isnt indy or nascar

[@thelemonadeboy]

the loss of felipe massa's championship hurts , but im glad we have no medals

[@wiki5566]

You’re the only one I’ve seen here who feels the same way. I watch f1 only because of Massa, those seasons. When he raced, my heart beat faster, I used to cry. I wish he won more races after 2008

[@f1central449]

I am a Hamilton fan since 2007

[@petehutchings]

@@f1central449 good for you

[@elliotcrossan6290]

Hamilton's loss in 2007 hurts the most for me

[@JohnyG29]

Oh get over it mate...

[@KimiFan2002]

1:39 Actually, he didn’t retire, he received permission from the team over radio to finish the race, and ended up crawling home to 14th

[@EddieVanAidan]

I still remember how stupid that radio conversation was: “Nico can you retire the car please.” “Do I have to? I’d rather finish the championship on track if I can.” “Ok stay out” Team radio is so dumb at times 🤦‍♂️

[@QasimAli-to5lk]

@@EddieVanAidan what's dumb about it?

[@EddieVanAidan]

@@QasimAli-to5lk that they asked to retire the car because of a problem, but they were also totally fine with him carrying on racing, so why ask in the first place lol

[@UNKNOWN-zr9yw]

@@EddieVanAidan to save the engine maybe

[@EddieVanAidan]

@@UNKNOWN-zr9yw I assume so, but it was the final round and they didn't even argue with Nico lol

[@nox3335]

Let's draw inspiration from the good ol days. A mandatory glass of champagne at every pitstop

[@afiqahmad389]

@@davestephens3246 r/whooosh detected?

[@MentalParadox]

@@afiqahmad389 Yes, from you. Dave was obviously joking.

[@FryGuy65]

Don't forget the mandatory smoking and wearing of neck ties

[@FryGuy65]

@@davestephens3246 Or scotch. Bourbon is also acceptable.

[@worldcomicsreview354]

@@afiqahmad389 Call an r/whooosh... but not for me!

[@consisepepper73]

The medal system was basically “If you’re not first, you’re last”

[@htk8581]

Senna would love that.

[@takatamiyagawa5688]

I thought at first he meant they were just swapping the trophies at the podium for medals, and even that kind of changes the look and feel of the sport.

[@lzh4950]

@@takatamiyagawa5688 Think medals are given only for the WDC & not individual race wins?

[@Kumquat_Lord]

It's the stupid system in place for NASCAR right now

[@aaronrigg5208]

Knock out animation is a thing of beauty

[@AradhyaGupta08]

Matt: since 2016, a championship has not been decided in final race Me 7 months later: it has!

[@Unknowndew]

The comment I was looking for

[@alexanderwardlaw1903]

The mid season change to disallow engineer interactions with the drivers during the race rule was absolutely mad. Drivers literally just pinging switches on the steering wheel trying to get their cars back to some sort of normal mode must have been agonising for the trackside engineers to watch.

[@RodHammett95]

Worst rule: No tyre changes, because it was only done to stop Schumacher from winning

[@WhiteNinjainblack]

We need that Rule again to stop Mercedes dominance.

[@henriquepacheco7473]

@@WhiteNinjainblack Merc dominance isn't related to tyre manufacturer though, since there's only one, so it wouldn't mean much

[@henriquepacheco7473]

@Kai Mercero Student Yeah, but the tyre differences are down to the car themselves and strats, the tyres available are the same for all teams. Everyone gets Pirellis. That rule was central for breaking Ferrari dominance because their Bridgestone tyres were less suited to the no tyre change rule and failed to adapt.

[@henriquepacheco7473]

@Kai Mercero Student In that case wouldn't it mean that removing tyre changes would then benefit the mercs? lmao, still wouldn't fit the comment of the other dude.

[@henriquepacheco7473]

@Kai Mercero Student Sure, that's why I said "the other dude". The comment I had responded to had claimed that "we need that rule again [said rule being the no tyre changes one] to stop Mercedes dominance". If Mercs are being screwed in tyre changes, bringing said rule back would, if anything, help Mercedes. I don't see how anything I said is wrong here.

[@victor_figueiredo_4100]

0:14 Perez missed hiss halo... Hugs for Perez

[@baptistedelage4538]

I think it's missing tsunofa and gasly halo's too

[@HalfEliteRacing]

Give him Mazepin’s halo.

[@KevinKickChannel]

For a second I thought you were referring to the safety halo on F1 cars lol

[@ali94hn]

@@KevinKickChannel same hahaha

[@stuartcarden1371]

Definitely the no tyre change rule. It was put in place with the sole purpose of stopping Ferrari, though I seem to remember it was justified under cost saving and slowing the cars but everyone knew the truth.

[@zcamt]

0:33 - Ahh yes, how none of us expected this season to be such a banger

[@anthonypllu3864]

i still want to see a qually setup like the aussie v8 supercars, Q1 like normal Q2 like normal but then a top 10 shootout, 1 car at a time, no traffic, no tows, no bs, just do the best the driver can do

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

Absolutely. Then if one of the cars crashes near the end, as happened to poor Charles at Monaco (and no, it wasn't done on purpose, I'd bet everything I have on that. Channel 4's presenters teased him about it - DC & Mark Webber - [they were pretty much laughing as the subject was brought up], he said he'd have been a lot more subtle and wouldn't have crashed if he wanted to do that 😂), it wouldn't affect anyone so badly. The crash prevented a number of potentially faster runs, so if they had the shootout for the top 10 (where the following car usually goes out on their warm-up lap when the timed car is on the fast lap, so it does take an age to get through it - like in FE), and if one crashed or packed in, the following car could return to the pits and reset. Actually, there's a lot to be said for FE's qually, because they do Q1, as it were, in batches of c.5 cars (depending on entry numbers), with the top 5 from the previous race going out first and effectively sweeping the track, and so on to the slowest in the last race going last. It gives a better chance for a car/driver who'd been taken out or broken down to get near the front of the grid. The only thing I don't like about FE is the very biased "fan boost". It's the same group of drivers over and over. They should remove the first winners of the fan boost from the next races, and carry on like that until every driver has a chance at it. If the race is being shown at stupid o'clock in the morning in a few time zones, the drivers who are from the countries with a similar time zone to the race will always have an advantage because their fans are awake! I know they try to cover the globe, but it's not an equal share. Besides, it's such an artificial thing, I hate it!

[@ranno44]

There is going to be issue with track evolution, last on track has the best track. Who is going to be last? Take the Rally approach, with most points go first and with least points go last? There is also changing weather, atm it is on teams to figure it out and if you get it better than others, you made a good choice, if not, it is going to be bad call from team, but if it is FIA order, last out will be penalized just because of the system. What do you have in mind?

[@DanArnets1492]

World Superbikes is the originator of this and called it SUPERPOLE

[@LottieTalksF1]

Spicy Bernie times 🌶

[@andycai540]

Bernie crackhead hours*

[@rodrigoguedes1348]

Everytime someone mention the 2008 season i feel like im gonna die

[@htk8581]

For me it is 2007.Hamilton lost it by just 1 point exactly like Massa.

[@stepladder3257]

@@htk8581 at least Hamilton won championsips

[@htk8581]

@@stepladder3257 He would have beaten Schumacher's title record by now if he had the championship.

[@htk8581]

@Gökhan Kaya Don't forget the mistake in Brazil.

[@deept3215]

@@htk8581 He was driving a stolen Ferrari, would have been the biggest scandal in the whole F1 history

[@caphowdy666]

The Massa/Hamilton one, I remember someone doing multiple work outs on that one, with the medals and different points payouts of previous and next years or whatever and in every other points or medals system Massa came out on top. The points system in 2008 was the only system that benefited Hamilton.

[@vince8269]

0:35 (2021): let me introduce my self

[@NHDUTANIOUS]

Super max max

[@punkerboy937]

If Massa would have won, it's a sacrifice I'd be willing to make.

[@DoctorHver]

Massa would have won with the good ole 10-6-4-3-2-1 system.

[@mateusdmachado]

Dropping the lowest scores actually makes some sense. That way, drivers would have an incentive to take more risks to get better positions. But I agree that the rule can be exploited.

[@DjDolHaus86]

If a rule can be exploited, it will be exploited, that's how F1 has always operated.

[@DavidN81224]

I really like the idea, if you track the points and discards you can get some really interesting tactics, and it certainly encourages risk taking. It is present in other sports (sailing for example) but the format tends to be dropped when it's adapted to be a spectator sport. In my opinion it's a little bit of a shame for the 'hardcore' fan, but it does have wider appeal without the added confusion

[@KnightRanger38]

I would approve of the rule returning with the following restraint - Only one race is dropped, and that is from the first 2/3 of the races in the season.

[@brianjrobinson]

@@DjDolHaus86 Senna understood how to use the rule better than Prost did. With the domination McLaren had, Senna realized that the way to win was to have more wins than Prost, and enough second places to fill the remaining 11 counted scores. Settling for a third place was a waste. It would be no worse to crash out trying to get second than to settle for third.

[@michaelhollingworth1757]

Dropped scores are really common in other series, where competitors might miss rounds due to lack of funds, away rounds, mechanical failure, accidents etc. Was a weird result last week in a UK series where the championship leader lost out on dropped scores, as the final round was not eligible to be dropped. So other competitors benefitted from having their accidents earlier in the season. Dropped scores are good for online leagues, where life means you won't be able to make every single week.

[@rahilsanghavi9347]

Matttyyyyy!! Where's TIBR for Portugal?!?!?

[@whitewolf8051]

Hopefully this won't get an updated video, but I think it will

[@sixtenallingersandgren6674]

Chill their just testing it

[@whitewolf8051]

@@sixtenallingersandgren6674 I literally just said I think it won't go well why do I need to chill?

[@mrkingjesse378]

These dudes are clowns

[@sixtenallingersandgren6674]

@@whitewolf8051 ok maybe i worded it wrong. I mean if its bad then its fine because they are just testing it

[@peterfighter]

Sprint will be there definitely

[@Jaidencharlotte]

If that rule about dropping some results was still in place Mercedes would definitely drop the Monaco Grand Prix this year

[@matteoschelbli5299]

Azerbaijan GP: hold my brake magic...

[@jiachengzhao1568]

Mercedes at Baku: Am I a joke to u?

[@Jaidencharlotte]

I see my comment has aged like warm milk

[@RJSRdg]

I think Red Bull would quite like that brought back, too....

[@mslisa6824]

How much fun do you guys have picking these wordplay video's 😂? Will say I'm thouroughly enjoying the knock-out chickens and panda holding a ball to name a few

[@smally7725]

Clicked faster than Kimi getting his gloves and steering wheel

[@EmilForsberg_GRYBO]

Not saying very much then

[@Sparrowash97]

Took your time then

[@Hopgop1]

Feeling original today sir?

[@Stuartdouglas19]

Closing the pit lane during a safety car. (2010 IIRC) The theory was to stop people gaining the advantage of a pit stop under a safety car. The reality was that it penalised drivers who had to stop in order to not run out of fuel (re-fueling being still allowed at this point) - and the innevitable outcome was the Singapore grand prix, where renault deliberately crahes out Pique in order to fix the race for Alonso to wn.

[@COD04MW]

It was 2008

[@Stuartdouglas19]

@@COD04MW so it was

[@markberrisford1997]

This rule should have been re applied as soon as refuelling was stopped. Literally every race is a lottery with the safety car/vsc when it appears remotely near a pit window, makes it a complete joke, especially when the safety car comes out because a Hass breaks down 3m from an exit road

[@reiniernn9071]

If you want to change strategic thinking ...in other words "no advantage on pitstops" you do not need to forbid them. It's even unfair for those who wanted to pit in such lap ....with or without sc conditions. It is enough to order a wait time before starting to work on the car the same as they do with a stop & go situation. Wait time the same as the advantage from stopping during that VSC. But even then....what to do when a (V)SC appears during a pitstop from someone? Also I should forbid to work on a car during redflag ...Also no tyre change in the lane. Of coarse you are allowed to change the tyres as a pitstop....allowing anyone who enetrs behind you in the pitlane to pass you until the change is done. Any other change to the car (changing a wing, or any other part) is only allowed AFTER ending the red flag. This would have made it impossible for Lewis to win Silverstone in 2021 because the repairs would have taken too long for any reasonable chance in coming back. (And with that also no controverse in Baku)

[@yurigodoy93]

As a brazilian, now I think the medals system was a good idea...

[@tiagoi.8771]

E o drop results foi "Massa" também né, irmão? Kkkkk

[@yurigodoy93]

@@tiagoi.8771 melhor sistema já usado hahahahahaha

[@elliotcrossan6290]

If you combine 2007 and 2008, Hamilton scored 16 more points than Massa, 22 more points than Räikkönen, and 37 more points than Alonso. Do you *really* think he deserved *neither* of those championships?

[@tiagoi.8771]

@@elliotcrossan6290 yes

[@yurigodoy93]

@@elliotcrossan6290 Of course he deserved at least one of those titles. I'm just joking about the fact that Massa would've won that championship, and one of the most heartbreaking moments in F1 to me would've never happened.

[@beantaz3862]

They should have a heat format once they have 24 cars. Practice on Thursday, qualify for heats on Friday, 2 heats of 12 on Saturday, top six from each qualify. B main on Sunday morning with the next 8 cars, top 4 advance to the A main on Sunday afternoon.

[@benn87]

The FIA knew exactly that the Ferrari was always hard on the tyres. In combination with the bad Bridgestones, Ferrari was completely out of the competition in 2005. It was both the tyres and the car that had the completely wrong concept for 2005. This rule change also came relatively late in the year, if I remember correctly.

[@MrF1Radio]

I still haven’t recovered from how horrific elimination qualifying was!

[@KevinAbillGaming]

3:46 This year, Super GT uses this qualifying format, where one driver from each team must set a qualifying lap on each session.

[@drewsmith3673]

Pure Chaos = Your Editing Style. I feel like a clay at a trap shoot.

[@p1mento]

i came to the channel looking for the usual reactions for the portuguese gp and there is nothing.... im starting to get worried

[@vamsiganesh1484]

It's Monday midnight here in India and I just got a dream where Matt is struggling to pronounce "Hamiltonverstappenbottas" 5 times before getting the entire race run down order correct for portuguese gp in his ibr video.... Woke up and Searched in youtube and realised there is no video uploaded!!!! Hope you are okay Matt (or are you still in sleep from second lap of this Sunday's gp)

[@olivialambert4124]

I think the hybrid engine rules are the worst. With no refuelling coming in an unfortunately distant second place. Having regenerative braking and small batteries, thats great. But with an MGU-H which resembles a jet engine more than a conventional motor, and requires jet engine specialist engineers to design puts the price way up. Costs to produce the engines are so high they need to add a ton of extra rules to lower costs (limited engines per year, no party mode, etc). Cost to design the engines is obscene making all the engine manufacturers pull out and making the best engine so much further away than the rest due to the obscene money thrown about. The engines alone have caused the vast majority of F1s problems today. Fuel flow limits are also a pet hate of mine. There's already enough incentive to save fuel that cars don't fill up all the way. The limits just damage overtaking and the tactical opportunities. The rest are caused by a lack of refuelling. The huge speed differences of different strategies refuelling allows makes for a lot of overtakes. Some with short stints need to really be on the overtakes but the benefits are great enough to try. Instead they have had to replace refuelling with tyres engineered to wear prematurely in an attempt to make up for it. But every year there seems to be problems with the tyres and it continually disappoints. Plus the excessive size is solely to do with refuelling bans, legendary tracks are either unable to support racing and struck off or simply don't have overtakes anymore. With those two issues gone F1 would be the sport we all desperately want.

[@TenorCantusFirmus]

You forgot 1994, and suddenly dropping most electronics out of the cars - Cars had to be redesigned practically overnight, and teams such as Williams which had heavily invested in "digitalization" were hit the most. We can even say, that rule change was indirectly one of the causes of Ratzenberger's and Senna's deaths...

[@DanArnets1492]

They failed to GIT GUD, maybe even proving Senna wasn't that skilled to begin with and just really relied on the driving aids - For example, his 1993 teammate Michael Andretti was a FANTASTIC driver in aidless cars (he did great in 1994 against Mansell, in 1995 against a young Villeneuve, in 1996 against Zanardi and even fought young Montoya face to face when he was quite old)

[@TenorCantusFirmus]

@@DanArnets1492 Senna won three Titles driving cars still with manual gearboxes, no steering assistance and no electronic aids whatsoever...

[@ClassicallyZo]

The no radio help allowed was my absolute least favourite. It meant drivers who had fixable mechanical issues had to retire or drop places while they tried to figure out the engineering of a car. So happy that was scrapped

[@channelklaxon1]

I was there in person for elimination qualifying. It was more confusing in person than it was on TV and believe me, it was confusing watching it back on TV haha :D

[@lzh4950]

Heard a motivation for elimination qualifying was to make it more exciting by discouraging drivers from sitting around in the pits, but I think the teams were also worried about engine wear & tear if they sent out their cars to run on the track over the whole qualifying duration

[@nicodrochmann1733]

Wait.... Massa would have been Champion with the medal system? Maybe I have to re-evaluate my opinion on the medal system.....

[@adamlamb3580]

missed the one where during elim quali cars had to start on their tyres from Q3 not Q2, so the cars that just made it to Q3 wouldn't go out at all and the top teams would generally do 1 lap in q3

[@Mikeb1001]

That’s the current rule? And it’s unusual for most cars to not go out twice in any of the sessions?

[@adamlamb3580]

@@Mikeb1001 the current rules are that driver start on the tyres they use in Q2. It was changed because some cars who just got into the top 10 in Q2 wouldn't even bother going out in Q3 instead preferring to start 9th or 10th on Brand new tyres and the top guys only went out once so they didnt put extra laps into their starting tyres. Q3 was a joke

[@cody95]

Wow I had no idea about the points system in 1988. I guess I feel less angry about Prost getting the title in 1989

[@elliotcrossan6290]

Prost actually won the 1989 Championship by 16 points -- 21 without the dropped points rule -- meaning Senna wouldn't have won the title even if his Japanese Grand Prix win had counted. He needed to win in Australia too to take the title, and he crashed out in Adelaide in the rain. And Prost narrowly missed out on the title in 1983, 1984 and 1990 as well as 1988. Prost was the most consistent driver in an era where consistency wasn't rewarded like it is these days. In a slightly different world, Alain could've been an eight-time Champion... he is *ridiculously* underrated!

[@W123KartSport]

Any mid season rule changes (excluding 1994 for obvious reasons). FRIC Suspension ban 2014, and engine mode ban 2020, McLaren 2nd brake pedal, I'm looking at you. If a team designs something within that year's regs, they should be allowed to keep it for the rest of the season. Then change the rules after the season is finished.

[@EdyAlbertoMSGT3]

4:27 What the heck, Elimination Qualifying was just like that gamemode that most recent Asphalt moblie games and some other racing games have.

[@KevinAbillGaming]

Basically, most of the arcade racing game titles.

[@gerardmontgomery280]

I was all for the medal system. Or at least much less point scoring positions and lower points for those positions. If you reduce the amount of point scoring positions drivers would need to fight more and if you reduce the amount of points on offer you reduce the chance of a driver running away in the standings. If you want a last race championship decider then I think this is how to achieve it.

[@DanArnets1492]

Top8 scoring was the best scoring · Top6 was a bit too extreme, probably a direct result of how many mechanical problems there used to be · Top10 has an awful points distribution - Both the BTCC and CART had it better

[@nationharris]

6:20 lmao, Monza sprint race had medals

[@ForeverF1]

Wait 2012 was 9 YEARS AGO Damn time flies by

[@airrejp]

0:30 hmm guess what happened today

[@GryphLane]

Aggregate times following a red flag where it was treated as two races but the aggregate times between them - taken from their separation across the line just before the red flag, and again at the finish, meant that you never knew who'd won until the others crossed the line not-quite-close-enough behind.

[@davidmalin5491]

Yeah loved that made for an exciting end to the race.

[@matthiascerebri3315]

I must say the Abu Dhabi finale had at least the advantage that it made it more exciting for the German fans- and left some of the constructors places more open.

[@NothingXemnas]

1:12 "an attempt to spice up the show a bit" As if it isn't the standard for most competitions today. And when I say competitions, I mean any. Reality shows, ninja warrior wannabes, puzzle competitions or gamble races for money. "Oh yeah, every single step is a step forward, but the last one is an obligatory all-or-nothing, where your 6h of effort may be thrown down the drain with NO POINTS AT ALL, or award you 10 times more than any other step. Why even compete if only the last one matters anyway?

[@joeogle7729]

I think an honourable mention would be the wet tyre rule in 2003. To reduce costs the FIA introduced a rule where you had to chose between inters and wets before the weekend and you were only allowed to use 1 OR the other for the rest of the weekend. So if you chose inters, if it started raining you were only allowed to use inters no matter how bad it got. This doesn't seem too bad but it lead to the carnage fest that was Brazil that year. Most teams chose inters and it absolutely thrashed it down...

[@darkalman]

The 2009 Aero changes While they resulted in a pretty good mix up of the grid in the first couple of years, they ultimately had the opposite effect they intended. The introduction of the Y-250 vortex front wing was meant to help cars pass, but once the teams discovered you could use this vortex to control aero around the car we ended up with the ultra complex front wings we have today which basically makes it impossible to pass. One of the members of the engineering team that made the 2009 suggestions later was quoted as saying the DRS was worth more in terms of helping cars to pass than all the 2009 changes combined, if they had thought out of the box a bit more they would have introduced the rear wing flap and saved all the teams a heck of a lot of trouble. The other one is turbo hybrid engines which resulted in oversized cars, less on track action, drivers saving fuel for much of the race, lack of engine noise, and 6 years of Mercedes Domination.

[@NomadUniverse]

I think they got it wrong when they removed refueling. Okay, they removed it on safety grounds, now they keep it out for financial reasons. But surely with the technology available these days they could bring it back safely. It would spice up the races so much. I used to love trying to guess the strategies by how much fuel they put in, their quali times; how they were affected by fuel load, how fuel loads affected tyres, it was like trying to figure out who the killer was in a who-dun-it. Imagine how much faster and harder the drivers could push the tyres with lighter loads, we'd see more two and three stop strategies, we'd have to try and figure out who was going to come in when, one driver pitting wouldn't trigger the whole field to pit within a few laps. We'd see a more varied and competitive field with flexibility in fuel loads opening up flexibility in strategy and tyre management as well as setups. Some cars might run a lot better on lighter fuel with adapted setup to suit. The potential to really shake things up is huge. We're having a major shakeup next year, sure, but that will be just like it is now after the dust settles, really. Horner said in a recent interview in an answer to a question regarding sprint races, "You don't know unless you try..." Yes, they tried refueling, obviously, but not for this era, not for the current cars. I'd almost go as far to say simply bringing back refueling will give everything the 2022 regulations promise to give without all that time and money wasted on completely different cars.

[@grommile]

Refuelling would not do anything *at all* to reduce the "dirty air" problems caused by current aerodynamics. "But surely with the technology available these days they could bring it back safely." To bring refuelling back safely, you need a reliable solution to ensure: (a) the fuel rigs *cannot* start dispensing before the fuel hose is fully engaged. (a) the drivers *cannot* move off with a fuel hose attached (no, a rules-based solution is not adequate; it has to be a reliable technical solution). On the other, the teams won't sign off on it unless that technology is sufficiently robust to prevent it causing DNFs due to false sensor readings.

[@lzh4950]

One advantage of banning in-race refuelling is that minimising pit stop durations is now more dependent on the skill of the tyre change pit crew & their tools, rather than the refuelling rig, which typically takes longer to refuel a car than the pit crew takes to change the tyres. You might notice that when there was refuelling, the wheel nut guns were slower, probably because back then it didn't really matter how fast you changed the tyres if after that you still had to wait for the car to finish refuelling before it could exit the pits (unless say the pit stop is called at the last minute due to weather changes, during which you'd likely only change the tyres (between dry & wet ones) & not refuel (as that probably wasn't planned beforehand for this pit stop))

[@NomadUniverse]

@@lzh4950 how is that an advantage as opposed to a simple observation? Why would you expect them to refuel a car in two seconds? The whole point of having it come back is to vary the pitstop lengths and vary the strategies. I really dont care if they change the tires slower.

[@lzh4950]

@@NomadUniverse As in it might be more exciting to viewers to watch as the pit crew might now have more pressure to act faster & a mistake from them would more likely cause a delay, creating more unpredictability in the race

[@NomadUniverse]

@@lzh4950 would you not rather see it won on strategy and not solely if they miss a wheel change by 1 second? The pit crew can still make a mistake but that should never devide a race. Particularly when the driver hasnt put a foot wrong.

[@husseinhammoud4677]

@wtf1 a question. What are those settings that drivers are asked to do after finishing a race

[@RJSRdg]

I think they're to reduce the amount of fuel they use on the in lap to ensure they have enough left for post-race scrutineering.

[@NoTrespassingCRO]

6:55 and we would not have "is that Glock" moment...

[@amartheblind9030]

that first rule of two teams fighting it out has really changed huh..

[@BinturongGirl]

The format they tried for the elimination qualifying in 2016 was flawed, but I do think it had potential to work better than it did, with some tweaks.

[@greatsageclok-roo9013]

Such as giving each driver 10 minutes to set a banker and maybe another improved lap, issuing the 90 second timer on the slowest driver when the 10 minutes is up. If they aren't on track when it expires, they're out of Qualifying. If they are on track, then they are given one more lap to move up the field; but that's it. Where they finish after that is locked in and they cannot improve for the rest of the session. The 90 seconds is reset for the next slowest driver once it has run down once, so there are always two drivers warned and at risk of being eliminated at a time, only stopping when we're down to about 5 cars on remaining where they ALL have the 90 seconds to be on track.

[@TPH250290]

4:05 I don't think that the aggregate qualifying was a particularly good system, but it made complete sense and wasn't confusing at all. The coverage made it very obvious what the grid was. The only way you wouldn't know what the grid was was if you didn't watch... kinda like all the time.

[@tfunkhou88]

Man, I had forgotten about the whole double points disaster thing.

[@maiden5427]

I have been watching f1 for the first time this year and just when I start learning the rules they are already changing

[@Mikeb1001]

Get used to it, there hasn’t really been consistent runs of rules since the 80s

[@raffaelepagano8747]

"since 2012 we've had a last race decider between two teams" 2021:"since you asked so nicely"

[@Timoto58]

When will people understand, that the double points finale in 2014 was due to there being less races on the official calendar, than the proposed. Effectively Bernie wanted to have the same number of points available if the cancelled races of India, Korea and Mexico were still on the table. The teams didn't like that idea, so came to an agreement of 1x double points race.

[@daverussell457]

04:52 - Everyone should like chaos in F1. I know I do.

[@Panic_Attack420]

Slight changes to the double points thing: first is double distance, second is get the f2 and f3 and reserve drivers out there 2, with the same amount of points for each category and finally cars must be run with max speed in mind with min downforce unless it is rain to make it more interesting

[@josezandy2802]

Any1 excited to see Lando vs Charles in a few years for the world championship

[@UncleKennysPlace]

You mean after George retires, right?

[@josezandy2802]

@@UncleKennysPlace idk ya but the way McLaren and Ferrari and going plus with the budget cap I'd say It may come down to Lando and Charles but you can't predict this stuff anyway

[@trophydevice7624]

Lando, charles, George and Max

[@josezandy2802]

@@trophydevice7624 if max doesn't peak too young like seb

[@shockproductions5810]

@@trophydevice7624 R.I.P. Albion not being there💀

[@pauls5745]

there's a few changes in rules and the scoring that decided champs. it'd be cool to see who would've won in the past by today's points, and what if we applied an old system to last year's results, what would it look like

[@BLADE_RISE]

Clicked faster than me getting my milk for my cereal.

[@WTF1official]

Love ya

[@BLADE_RISE]

@@WTF1official Ditto

[@beaclaster]

fast gang or milk gang

[@BLADE_RISE]

@@beaclaster E

[@RodHammett95]

I literally had no idea about dropped results and that it lasted so long! It would be interesting to see a study about how many WDC would change without that rule!

[@takatamiyagawa5688]

Already been done. Doesn't actually change much. kzbin.info/www/bejne/inmXYaJ_fbJrkMU

[@guitarsimon1]

Bernie Ecclestone like “What if we award bags of crisps instead of points, but they have to have the crisps in their cars for each race, and if the crisps get broken then they don’t count anymore so the more crisps you have the more carefully you have to drive?”

[@LittleJimmyR]

Lol

[@continentalrcinglg]

Double points wouldn't have been so bad if they'd doubled the distance of the race (I'm fully aware that 190 miles of Abu Dhabi is bad enough, and 380 would be torture).

[@KitKitChanIsaac]

F1 cars only designed to have enough fuel for 1 190 mile race,wait does that mean refuelling is bacc??

[@AJCrowley0153]

Anything that would give the 2008 WDC to Massa can't be bad. Man deserved it.

[@elmurcis1]

I still remember how happy I was about 2005 USA GP - f*****g finally getting Ferrari/MSC win, screw these tyre rules! Oh, and there was Star Wars movie running same time on different channel (probably reason why I remember this so precise) - so glad that I could join F1 race only during commercials with ease.

[@niclash]

1. No refueling = more boring races. 2. Must change tires and to a different set = why? Just make them more different from each other so that a short lasting soft tire actually gives a speed advantage. 3. Restrictions on Engines, Parc Ferme and all that nonsense is no longer needed. Total season budget cap will force teams to prioritize where to put the money. Artificial restrictions to "lower the cost" should be removed again.

[@thesunnynationg]

Nahhh... All you ask for isnt going to be you know tha if youre a long time f1 fan. Althou i got absolutely the same opinion as you.

[@Wizzkidwas]

Fun fact about the double points finale in 2014 Because of it, Williams hold the record of most points scored at a single race, with 66 points Massa finished 2nd and Bottas 3rd, scoring 36 and 30 points respectively. A record for Williams that won't be beaten for a long time

[@Winters11]

Points could be like in Practical Shooting. 1st place gain 100 points (100%), and subsequent places have a percentage liked to the 1st place. So, if second place is just 1.2% behind the 1st place, second should win 98.8 points (98.8%).

[@frontrowviews]

So early there is still a typo in the title

[@beaclaster]

what happened

[@GryphLane]

Give yourself a medal 🙄

[@frontrowviews]

@@GryphLane I definitely will

[@gunthertoastbrot3738]

Not only double points in the final race, but also double points at Abu Dhabi!

[@allenqueen]

Removing the tyre naming scheme of Hypersoft, Ultrasoft, Supersoft, Soft, Medium, Hard, Superhard and SuperDuperUltraMegaHard. They were fun to say and different colors looked good on different cars.

[@Randallator966]

Plus you didn't have to know what compounds are soft-medium-hard for a particular weekend

[@TheDryparn]

The engine token system. Mercedes won a couple of years in a row basicly on walk over. They had a far superior engine and the others could do nothing to catch up. It almost broke my love for F1.

[@Sheraad190]

Mercedes were developing the engine before the rules came out and they pushed the FIA to go in their direction (V6 with MGH-U and MGU-K). They had at least year or two advantage over the others.

[@Cazamalos]

Guys, the editing and writing on this video was superb!!! I would also like to say that narration was also good but honestly....I'M NOT A FANBOY I'M JUST PASSIONATE. Good job everyone!

[@jeremypnet]

Apart from the stupid idea of putting the words the narrator was saying on the screen, sometimes. That was annoying and distracting.

[@marshallc6215]

Now that Pirelli has gotten so good at controlling tire life, what would things look like if the mandatory pit stop were removed? We've already seen teams work their tires to death by puncture, so that risk is clearly present if you guess short.

[@vladutcornel]

Ironically, they just gave medals for the sprint race (Monza 2021)

[@axelrogue5878]

I loved the qualifications format that was in place in final part of the 2005 season: Each driver had exactly one lap to set a time. It meaned that everyone had an opportunity to shine, because when it was your turn, you were the only one competing. It was fair but could produce some unexpectedness, because that was a format that clearly didn't forgive any mistake. Which is cool :) Pressure was high when the last ones were on the track, but drivers performing under high pressure is exactly what we're here for.

[@DanArnets1492]

The superpole system (directly copied from World Superbike, V8 Supercars, NASCAR & oval racing) is fantastic... if the weather is perfect all throughout qualifying. Also, even then, WSBK & V8SC used it as a "final round" of qualifying and not as the whole deal and in both cases it disappears if the weather ain't 100% guaranteed. I'd like to see a superpole if the weather is perfect instead of Q3

[@axelrogue5878]

@@DanArnets1492 Hmm, superpole instead of Q3, I like the idea !

[@sebastianbuse4899]

0:15 didnt give tsunoda a angel halo but mazespin yes??? explain @WTF1

[@funguy873]

that's because he cusses a lot, surely

[@crusherbmx]

1:53 , about that proper sarcastic comment about "the gold old days", I've said it before, I'll say it again, after 40 years of watching F1, the best era was 2003 to mid 2013, with only 2011 and 2004 as exceptions. Not even sure why, a bunch of rule changes during that era so it wasn't consistent, just good racing I guess. I saw 1982, 11 winners - utter chaos, 1986- cars running out of fuel, mid 90's? pretty much the same as now, two dominant teams.

[@lyleclarke619]

I knew there was once a rule where they dropped their worst results but didn't realise how long for. It's to think we could've been looking at Prost 5, Senna 2.

[@DanArnets1492]

RULE CHANGES I'D LIKE TO SEE · Superpole is the new Q3 = If weather is guaranteed, top10 cars have their lap of glory on a free set of tyres. Running order is set by times in Q2. · Top8 score points OR a better way for the top10 = The current one is very confusing, both BTCC & CART did it better. · Fewer engines modes available = I'd probably keep it at 4 (qualifying, race, wet & safety car), maybe 5 so they can have 2 race-friendly modes. You have to drive with the pedals and the steering wheel. · Only on-track changes to the car would be engine modes and brake balance = Some drivers look like simracing nerds, always doing ridiculous corner-by-corner changes. · DRS is OUT, time-limited overboost is IN = Racing would be more spectacular and the effects would play more into the race (more tyre wear). · Less men on the pitstops = Tyre changers would have to be more athletic and bigger costlier mistakes would happen more often. I want F1 to be a teamsport. · Safety car rules straight out of the USA = No pitting when the SC is coming out, pitting puts you at the back of the queue no matter what, etc. · Better rolling restarts = Pace would be a lot more controlled, cars would be closer (no need to be perfectly in line), drivers would have to wait for the green light to accelerate, etc. · Standing restarts BANNED · Changes during a red flag (except if it is for weather) BANNED · Electronic systems (you know exactly what I mean) should be REACTIVE and not PREDICTIVE = The car should NOT know where in the track you are.

[@lukeandrews9459]

I got a question though, with the sprint qualifying, what will count as the poll position award? The person who gets the fastest lap in qualifying? Or the person who wins the sprint race?

[@davidmalin5491]

The Friday quali sets the grid for the sprint race, the sprint race positions set the grid for the Sunday race, as mentioned somewhere else basically think of sprint and Sunday race as one long race with a red flag lasting 24 hrs where they just line up in grid position for the restart. The idea is those with better race pace rather than outright quali pace will get further up the grid, I wonder if they have thought of grid penalties though when would they be applied.

[@F1Krazy]

If dropped points were present from the start of the F1 World Championship, then they don't really count as a rule *change*, do they?

[@NovemberOrWhatever]

Interestingly, Formula E is restricted to just 2 sets of all-weather tires for practice, quali, and race, for environmental reasons. The shorter race format lessens the impact of this though and they are allowed to swap tires between the left and right sides of the car.

[@Bzorlan]

2:07 it's not a driving championship. F1 is a team sport. It's in the teams best interest to make a car that doesn't break down.

[@tombardsley3081]

There are 2 cars though

[@jonvanmaaren]

I think the medal system would be pretty boring, as the top-tier cars would just fight about the 1st place, and the rest of the cars would just be trying to get close to 1st place, but rarely do do. And i think there would be occasions where tire-wear comes the most depending factor of the game, cause pitstops would throw away all your hard work because you can't really set thàt mutch of a time difference without DRS

[@swivvy3037]

I could see elimination quali working if they put a little bit more effort into it. Maybe if there was less cars on the track (safety) but then the size of the tracks would be odd if only 10-15 cars going round. Probably better suited for that touring car series on itv4 or whatever it's called, where they don't care if there's a little bump

[@ruddgrandprix-speedrunraci8515]

4:58 My most hated F1 Rule. EVER!

[@Sheraad190]

Another Schumacher fan.....?

[@ruddgrandprix-speedrunraci8515]

I. Hate. No Tire Change and NO Refuels rule.

[@KwangoTron]

Oh wow. I completely forgot about the proposal of the medals system. That sure was something.

[@formulamontage1679]

1:38 Rosberg finished 14th though

[@aminrahman8081]

Another rediculous bernie idea was to have random wheather situation where fia install a water sprinkler at each corner to increase racing incident and change of tyre to intermediate. Lucky this was not realised

[@RJSRdg]

They did have something close in Monaco one year though - the fire sprinklers in the hotel above the tunnel went off and put water on the track!