The Runaway Jaguar iPace EV (and more) Geoff & Richard in Discussion

[@hamshackleton]

This vlog didn't get notified, and I am subbed and the bell is clicked! I found it by accident

[@GeoffBuysCars]

A lot of that happening!

[@thecreedy]

Same for me!

[@itisabird]

My experience is that KZbin notifications are just unreliable for all channels, even uncontroversial ones. Sometimes I get them instantly after the video is published, while in other cases they take several hours. My guess is that sometimes their systems get congested.

[@tonyking9235]

LETS BE HONEST . IF THAT HAPPEN EVEN ONCE . WOULD YOU TAKE A CHANCE EVER DRIVING IT AGAIN . WE NEED TO KNOW MORE TECHNICAL DATA . 1 CAN YOU JUST USE THE KEY . IF NOT WHY . WONT THE KEY SHUT IT OF . WE NEED ANSWER LIKE THAT

[@R6AAO]

If I remember his original statement correctly the car run out of battery and rolled to a stop with the police rolling blockade as a precaution.

[@duncantempleton7617]

Had a friend of the family who had a Jaguar iPace, he was going down the motorway and the brakes totally failed. He though took his foot off the accelerator and brought the car to a halt due to, I guess, the regenerative braking and natural deceleration? The car was taken to Jag and he was told by them that it was a very frequent event, apparently there is a separate battery that governs the brakes and, unlike the main battery, wasn’t being recharged. He immediately handed the car back and got a hybrid.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Great comment

[@ablestringer9063]

That's the point for me. If it was as bad as that you'd never trust it again but this guy was quite relaxed about driving it after the event

[@jam99]

The ipace regenerative braking on high is so effective you hardly need to use the brake pedal when driving normally. Lovely car to drive. The ipace forum shows that the brake problem is not frequent but has happened a few times with people. More frequently, false faults have shown up on the dash and often 'seem' to have been solved by replacing the 12V batts and/or internal charging unit to them. We got the false faults showing up a little while back on ours (MY20) but the batts appear to be fine and put it down to water ingress through leaking windscreen at the same time getting into the dash electrics, though we do not know for sure. The dealer made out the problem was solved with a software update but I don't think that had anything to do with it; the charging software was updated but I believe this was the main traction battery, not the two 12V batts - I could be wrong; reliable technical data is impossible to find. The dealer often gives you no written list of things done unless you ask for it and even then it is sparse. Though concerning, we experienced no control problems at all and got the windscreen changed at the dealer; it was still just inside the warranty period. They mentioned they had to dry things out a bit before they could get their testing software to work but all the software is so fussy that it could just have been a software initiation issue or incompetence. We have had no problem since (in 4months). All modern cars seem far too complex compared to the benefit it gives to the consumer. EVs get a bashing but it seems to me that most problems are not with the EV aspect but rather the speed with which the manufacturer designs and tests. Over the air software updates are now a reason to ship cars before they have been properly tested; look at Tesla. There is no choice of garage for repair anymore. Loads of unique parts with zero stock across many brands. Friends just had their Audi off the road for 3months awaiting a new break light for the MOT; pathetic. When you are waiting for a part it feels like you never actually bought a car; it is effectively still owned by the manufacturer who has allowed you a long-term test drive of their prototype in exchange for the purchase cost.

[@elliotoliver8679]

Shudda handed it back and demanded an XJ6

[@Shadow-bs1iu]

The dealer has admitted that the brakes fail regularly. Isn’t it written in the highway code somewhere that brakes must be used whilst driving……

[@SteveMrW]

Back in the 90's I was a police officer and we had an issue with the brakes on our police Rover SD1's. Being automatic if the brakes were really hammered on a long run the brakes would fail and the pedal went to the floor. However, once the brakes had been allowed to cool the pedal and brakes would work again. Several police drivers had accidents due to this fault that was not evident when the cars were subsequently examined. I went to an accident involving a SD1 and the drivers foot and pedal were on the floor. He refused to release the pedal and get out until it had been seen by the garage sargeant.

[@Cheeky-fingers]

As an ex taxi driver I was rear-ended twice at Gatwick Norths drop off by EV'S on separate occasions. Both times the drivers blamed it on using the one pedal braking. Luckily on both occasions there was no damage or injury. But it does beg the question how safe is it and how proficient the drivers were with it. That is a packed area with lots of pedestrians and general chaos.

[@grouchthatbarx]

Not the EVs fault, its the drivers. They rear ended you by not paying attention.

[@stevendavis7079]

Thought all cars were one pedal braking !!

[@tx41979]

New txe got same problem as got electronic handbrake because it doesn't go into park automatically as was a incident at London City airport few months ago when Marshall was injured

[@tx41979]

Basically EV are junk and should never be on roads .all belong in thames

[@Cheeky-fingers]

@stevendavis7079 one pedal braking is where they lift their foot off accelerator and the car slows using the regenerative braking. Many EV'S this can be adjusted. Personally I think it should deactivate under 15mph.

[@TOMLINBISH]

I had a VW Golf hire car suddenly increase it's speed on the M5 years ago & this was briefly alarming until I quickly realised that I'd engaged cruise control & was increasing the speed with the stalk controls instead of doing what I thought would be changing the radio channel! 😂

[@markjackson8035]

Could have been up for a Darwin award there.

[@drewmurray2583]

My mk4 jetta could accelerate at full throttle to 225km/h using just the cruise control buttons.

[@goldilocks913]

Was it the flashing of the cameras or the increase in volume of the passenger’s screams that alerted you to the solution? 😂

[@terrybarton8388]

What’s this got to do with an electric jaguar?

[@markjackson8035]

@@terrybarton8388 Nothing Terry. It's just over excited keyboard monkeys eager to spill their scary moments behind the wheel of something with tech. they didn't really understand. Like cruise control and brakes.

[@clivehaynes2183]

I drive around in a 45 year old Bentley T2 which is cheap to insure no road tax.little to no deprecation and I don't have any of the issues associated with modern cars and it is good on fuel i.e it likes a lot of it.

[@johncrofts4393]

My son is a safety test engineer at JLR and I mentioned this to him last night. His reaction was that it's total bollocks. What this driver doesn't know is that all inputs are effectively recorded. I suspect he's a "compo chaser"

[@marshallmatters1526]

Well, I think you are full of sh!t.

[@kabukidreamboy]

So he's denying that many EVs have suffered from similar runaways albeit not all of them being Jags, like the MG in Scotland last year.

[@EmilePesky-n1v]

If they are recorded then can that be INDEPENDENTLY verified by someone outside of JLR?

[@dickyr3295]

@@kabukidreamboyHe’s denying no such thing. He’s saying that if the driver’s telling porkies then the analytic data will find him out

[@bogdana.m.2416]

​@@kabukidreamboyno, but as a mechanical engineer I know that cars are designed with brakes that can Overpower the engine without difficulty and stop the car from Top speed even without brake Servo assist! And the ipace has mechanical brakes assigned by servo like any other ICE cars 🤷‍♂️ So he should have just jammed the brakes and keep the pedal pressure as much as he could until the car stops 🤷‍♂️

[@elta6241]

The fact that this is now a story on the regular news tells me there is something strange going on here.

[@patthewoodboy]

suppressed , but now its out in the open .... says all we need to know about our government and the lack of freedom they are about to impose on the people

[@ghostinthemachine76]

Exactly. Whatever they tell you, think the opposite and you won’t be too far from the truth.

[@FredericFreedom]

Yep. Distract and discredit

[@davebreen9306]

My bro crashed his Hy Kona EV, he put it into reverse and it went forward into a lamppost,,, it happened on his driveway early that day, nothing wrong with it say the dealership, had to go through their insurance to fix it 😢

[@wobblyboost]

Precisely, if MSM is now saying that absolutely nothing happened at Gatwick airport carpark recently, something absolutely did.

[@787ACE-l9i]

Did he call the police after he got caught by a speed camera???

[@paulharris1502]

Highly likely.

[@Gopher31]

That’s the only way his calling the police makes sense.

[@ciarancosgrave]

Maybe he's trying to make a case to get his money back on the car because he has realized he has been sold a pup.

[@Masonic1016]

I had an old Hillman Imp many years ago and the throttle got jammed open when the inner cable frayed and got caught-up in the outer cable. I came to a stop by turning the engine off, and got home by substituting the choke cable. Modern vehicle electronics will store the exact position of the foot pedal, as well as the actual position of the throttle body, so a diagnostic check on the OBD system will quickly expose a lie.

[@God_help_us]

That depends on the software.

[@loonaticsrunningtheassylum]

That's not strictly true. People think diag software tells them everything.. it doesn't by a long shot. Logs often don't store a huge amount of data. .. manufacturers can probably delve deeper but dealers absolutely cannot see anywhere near everything

[@1spongeygit]

I did the same thing but only connected the end to carb, my brother controlled the throttle and I drove.... lets just say it was interesting... especially when he got bored and forgot he was throttle man :-)

[@Masonic1016]

@@loonaticsrunningtheassylum Specialist data analysis software can reveal data streams from various ECU's, a bit like an aircraft's 'Black Box'. This is not available to the public.

[@sichere]

Fee Fi Fo Fum I smell some BS going on

[@richierex]

Check my comment 3 days ago. The story didnt add up. 90 - 120 and the Police caught him, and then he managed to get the brakes to work. Come on, youve been done

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

A point I made three days ago, for which many in the comments slagged me off.

[@anglosaxon5874]

@Lookup2WakeupThought that too. Did not hear anything about the 'brakes started to work'.

[@manclad0161]

Electric will always go wrong,my sunroofs playing up and it’s raining!

[@tonyr4873]

I found it highly convenient, that both times, he just so happened on a motorway, which is the perfect place to do this kind of speed. Not sure what percentage of his driving he does on motorways, but the odds have got to be against this being genuine.

[@Janet-v7v]

Do you have an EV

[@karlg2950]

My first thought would be to scrub off speed , not call the peelers!

[@shadgrind]

Trouble is, automatic car cant change gear, can’t push the clutch in. I have the option of push button start on my 20 year old Merc and if I use that I can’t just switch it off, going to rethink this. But my brakes have a direct connection to the pedal, if my throttle by wire goes nuts I could slow it down and come to a safe stop as long as I didn’t gently push the brakes until the fluid boiled.

[@patthewoodboy]

@@shadgrind you can select "neutral" did you not know that ? You can turn off a push button start , have you read the instructions .. of course not you are a man :-) PS automatic cars can change gear ... you are obviously a moron

[@6chhelipilot]

@@shadgrind If you select neutral on an electric car, you get exactly what you would expect to get in any other automatic.

[@ferrumignis]

​@@6chhelipilot If the system is working correctly. It's not a mechanical linkage so you are at the mercy of the controller and actuators doing their thing, and if the car is already misbehaving chances are that will too.

[@emceedoctorb3022]

@@6chhelipilotThe bloke claimed he tried to select neutral but the button wasn’t working. It is a problem with electronic gear selectors, if the computer has a brain fart it isn’t going to work unlike a mechanical selector with a physical linkage to the gearbox.

[@tonysheerness2427]

I believe the car can go rogue, however how come the police were there so quick? By the time the police got to him he would have lost control by then dodging all the cars on the road at high speed.

[@stephenbirchall941]

A man has been arrested for dangerous driving in the Jaguar I-Pace. The story isn't what it seemed.

[@effigy42]

Unless the blokes a freemason this was probably a cover up for something that either is constantly happening or really did happen here

[@MaisieDaisyUpsadaisy]

@@stephenbirchall941Yup, there are some holes in this man’s story.

[@lat1419]

Arrestable offences include misinformation, disinfirmation, and malinformation. Just as a reminder, malinformation is defined as correct, but information that is unwanted by the PTB and goes against the desired narrative.

[@jenkitching43]

To put it another way: censorship.

[@puzzlaa6616]

What you rambling about

[@iamjames8200]

This is not true. Stop spreading BS.

[@bettysteve322716]

to the two replies he IS CORRECT it's NOT "BS" if you bothered to actually LOOK it is easy to find them SAYING "malinformation is true facts and data but inconvenient true facts and data we do not want the peasants to know about" or are you two ponces from the government and here to help?

[@loonaticsrunningtheassylum]

Then why aren't all politicians and MSM journalists in prison???? Stop talking bollocks

[@cragsurf]

Shouldn’t all electrical equipment. Have a kill SWITCH

[@Janet-v7v]

Seems to me so much mis information being given to us in order to stop us driving

[@Janet-v7v]

Great news youngsters aren't buying the EV propaganda

[@damianlewis7550]

The handling on the i-Pace is insane and 90mph (I was on the autobahn!) feels like 50mph in a normal car. I think he’s been done for speeding before the electrics failed.

[@gadget348]

Computer control is normally so reliable that an incident is often not believed, I watched my cousin press start on a Fanuc controlled CNC, then instead of doing the tool change it was supposed to do it just crashed the wrong tool straight into to job. We weren't believed untill the machine did exactly the same trick two days later with the boss standing there watching. The machine ran normally for about fifteen years after that before doing exactly the same thing again😂

[@EmilePesky-n1v]

I was about to make a comment about this. Computerised and electronic things DO go rogue. Some people seem to think EVs are infallible

[@everycloud7144]

this happens to combustion cars too, the difference is you can simply put the car in neutral

[@lolorick5885]

Simply put the car in neutral? and bugger the engine up

[@Jonathan-Shadow]

@@lolorick5885would you rather be a smoking pile of flesh or have a messed up engine?

[@Theweouthereforrealclub-]

Macgyver just turned off the key when that happened to him in an episode 40 years ago. Still a valid strategy just sayin’

[@PointNemo9]

​@@lolorick5885 At worst it would bounce off the rev limiter for 20 seconds while you pulled onto the hard shoulder

[@user-qq2mo1ek2r]

​@@Theweouthereforrealclub- apart from steering lock it's bullet proof 😉

[@John-m5k4r]

I really enjoyed this chat! Thanks Geoff & Richard! 💯

[@kenmerry2729]

I have an expensive top of the range German car with adaptive cruise control and there is no way you can leave it to do it all right. Your mind has to be concentrating on what the car is doing and what everyone else around you is up to so you can stay safe.

[@samahdi6972]

The guy did not sound like he was reliving a trauma as he calmly related the story to Geoff, a bit too matter of fact not a compelling response to a terrible experience imo.

[@primafacie6442]

Ex reality TV ‘star’ 😂

[@debl9957]

@primafacie - different incident.

[@Mariazellerbahn]

I'm calling the whole incident BS.

[@Dan23_7]

Funny that leaking in water was mentioned. When I was a courier I used to deliver to, and collect from 📦 the JLR dealership in Nelson near Burnley. Every day without fail there was a different BRAND NEW vehicle under a hose pipe water sprinkler around the back where the maintenance garage was (where I delivered and collected). They were testing them for leaks before the smiling customers picked up their shiny pieces of shite. They’re piles of shit those cars, they’re just status symbols and nothing more.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

😂😂😂

[@DebNewton-kh4cv]

Love it!

[@claireroberts5051]

Geoff your compassionate view is to be commended. You questioned will the driver need a lawyer or mental health assistance. Good call.

[@laurenceplumley433]

All facts are not known so hold your opine until we find the software is very faulty or he is a clever manipulist

[@280SE]

I’m gonna try this next time I’m doing 120mph and think I’ve been clocked doing it

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

As I said in the previous video (for which I was attacked by many people) his story does not add up: 1) If the car was stuck in top gear, full revs, why did the speed vary? 2) Managed to take a roundabout at 120mph? 3) Incredibly, when the police turned up he managed to get it into neutral.. 4) Not the first time he has had this issue that has not affected anyone else 5) Jaguar found nothing wrong with it 6) The police didn't impound it 7) Within seconds of the car going wrong he called the police? No way would this be your first action.

[@charlestoast4051]

There are no gears, it's a single-speed, constant mesh transmission, no clutch. If there had been a kill switch, it could have turned off power to the motor/s, maybe all EV's should have a big main breaker switch in reach of the driver.

[@AI-Records24]

No one that buys an I-pace can take a roundabout at 120. You’d have to both be a petrol head and be a good driver and we know the combination is rare. I do a lot of track driving and the amount of times I’ve come up against money and money has lost is countless. Few years ago I was allegedly racing a Lamborghini urus (in 🔒⬇️) we both took the same corner around the same speed yet he lost control and hit the railing. I was in a rwd 430d and even had fun on the exit, him not so much. Problem is money buys you all sorts but it does not buy you skill. I highly doubt anyone with the skills to handle that would buy an ipace, it’s just not conceivable😅

[@dwarfyh32]

Amongst other holes in the story, the M57 south bound onto the M62 east bound is a filter lane, no need to go to the roundabout. He said the police had told him to use the hard shoulder so he would have had to cross over this filter lane to go to the roundabout which doesnt make any sense at all. The police have obviously interrogated the car and the motorway cameras to compile a case against him and the fact that this didnt take too long at all suggests his story is total fantasy

[@jumpferjoy1st]

SO, SO, SO FUNNY. At the end of this video I had an advert for the Lotus Eletre!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MultiMoomoo2]

@Geoff Buys Cars i have been watching vids on ipace owners and the issues they've had. There have been some recalls over the past few years...one for brakes not working properly and one for an update to be done as quite a few had set on fire. The recall for the update it would seem that a lot of people weren't informed of by the dealer and found out just from seeing things on the internet. One video a guy talks about water getting into the car as there was a problem with the seal on the windscreen. It wasn't like large amounts of water, and he put it down to condensation the 1st time he noticed. It was found to be a manufacturing issue and had it replaced. In the comments there were other ipace owners saying they had the same issue. Everyone knows water and electronics don't mix well. I operate the big floor machine at work, battery powered and press levers on handles to accelerate. Turns out though they hadn't made the control panel waterproof and seen as it gets taken outside in all weather to be emptied and refilled, water had gotten into the control panel and one morning it just went out of control...couldn't stop it zooming across the warehouse and that was without even being hold of the levers. Maybe nathan hadn't noticed water getting into the car which if a bit got into any of the control panel, it could of caused it start malfunctioning. And this issue did turn out to be a manufacturing issue so its fair to assume that plenty of other cars will have had the same problem. Some of the speeds of the cars in other vids with malfunctioning ev's, upto 120 mile an hr and people actually being killed and the car crashing into a few things before actually stopping! So no, i don't think his story is far fetched at all

[@GeoffBuysCars]

I agree. I’m still undecided but I’ve seen some message from internal WhatsApp groups that lead me to believe wiring problems in the front of the car could easily cause this. We shall see

[@user-beerus711]

i drove that jaquar as cabdriver a manual button or lever would make one more trusty to drive it because now there is no manual control to brake it in case software fails

[@84homey]

Greater complexity = More to go wrong. No idea whether this particular incident is real or not, but the basic formula remains. My next car will be a 90s vehicle and I'll be registering it as a classic car. Any mehcnaic will be able to work on it. Parts will be standard and available, or even fabricatable in some cases.

[@DavidMartin-ym2te]

Not a 90s car you won't - it has to be 4 years old and still needs tax and MoT until 2030

[@DavidMartin-ym2te]

Sorry - 40 yoa

[@medler2110]

As someone who restores old vehicles, 30 to 40 years old, you might start struggling to find the parts or the mechanics who know the cars.

[@jam99]

The irony is that an EV should be less complex than an ICE. Ok, the charging is a little tricky but it's just batteries, motors and motor controllers. But the manufacturers choose to put in so much unnecessary software crap and 'automatic' systems in modern cars that are not sufficiently tested that things go wrong and the things that go wrong need the manufacturer to fix them because parts are not common and propitiatory software is needed to diagnose the computers (not that much diagnosis takes place; dealers just tend to replace modules until the problem appears to go away).

[@84homey]

Yeah the parts could be an issue... there're issues every way around for sure.@@medler2110

[@bentullett6068]

Geoff mentioned it a few times now, can you find out what happened with the Land Rover Defender incident that happened in London last year. If you can remember this was a similar incident where the car accelerated into some school children outside a school, sadly killing a child. Got to remember most new cars even with internal combustion engines tend to have fly by wire pedal controls. This may be linked.

[@spychopath]

My first thought would be to pull the handbrake to slow down. In a modern EV that usually means the park brake lever/button.

[@mikey673442]

I don’t understand why not only the throttle gets stuck but the brakes don’t work and the inability to put the car into neutral ? Not a lot of damage for bumping into a police car multiple times? I agree with you. Fence sitting until the findings come out.

[@PSUC3]

Yes what is the chance for Accelerator stuck Brake does not work Regen brake does not work Gear selection to neutral does not work Also brakes are normal brakes, just like in any ICE car..

[@dh2032]

electric car re-genitive brakes (e.g. the moto [the electric motor], runs backwards, the putting braking energy back in the batteries, to try get a little mile of under, mile range, all electric car suffer from? and all does software, you user (driver) just presses break pedal and software decides which braking in applied and looks like ars was not doing thin thinking, may of also been the driver, the car still not in the clear yet?

[@PSUC3]

@@dh2032 no it’s traditional hydraulic brake system. The cars software doesn’t have to decide between regen or braking afaik

[@damianlewis7550]

It’s all fly by wire. There’s a “brake booster unit” that applies the actual pressure by amplifying feedback from the brake pedal. Mine had to be replaced twice, once after brakes completely failed and wheel motors stayed on until ignition switched off.

[@stephenbirchall941]

A man has been arrested for dangerous driving in the Jaguar I-Pace. The story isn't what it seemed.

[@GenoppteFliese]

2010, US: Mark Saylor and his family died ( Lexus throttle stuck system malfunction. Known issue with more victims killed and injured). 2021, Paris: we still haven't heard anything from the deadly accident including a self-accelerating Tesla. The driver sued Tesla, but otherwise no more information. 2023, Oct, Glasgow: the MG of Brian Morrison has a massive malfunction. ( Actually I was looking for a local case where the driver later was arrested as the police had raising suspicions of a joy ride, but I still haven't found the related news about that case.).

[@michaelhocking9037]

Why would you fake it you could be banned from driving for 12 months I would think.

[@TheLastOilMan]

He will be exonerated by corrupt judiciary , or intell will move him abroad

[@keithianlocke]

Don't forget the landrover/rangerover with lady driver that ploughed into that primary school on London.

[@itisabird]

To be honest, ladies running over things with their car by mistake is old and common. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the same lady ran over things half a dozen times in the previous 20 years. There's people that should never be allowed to drive.

[@bettysteve322716]

l almost got whacked by a old lady in a Ford urban assault trerk because she could hardly see over the wheel and over the bonnet/hood and didn't even bother to look left or right when she pulled out onto the road.

[@1maico1]

That was driver error

[@keithianlocke]

@@1maico1 where did that get confirmed?... last updates I can find is end of last year when the driver was bailed a second time until sometime this year. It's a bit odd that a simple case of driver error would not have already had charges applied pending prosecution. That case never made sense when it happened either.

[@MS-Patriot2]

@@keithianlockeranks closed around that one - money talks?

[@alastair1953]

JLR are an Indian company. Did they pressure the PM to bury this?

[@Cassp0nk]

Tim foil hat brigade. Don’t forget your meds.

[@jaytoppo1670]

I was with JLR during the transition from Ford to Tata, as soon as Tata came in, half the presses from the press shop where shipped straight over to India, not only that, staff/friends have both been killed and committed suicide on site and they carried on making cars as the bodies lay there.. "nothing to see here". As somebody who worked in JLR for 2 decades I can tell you, from personal experience, they don't care about the customer or the employee, they care only about JLR and profit. In 2014, as a Christmas present, I was involved in a near fatal RTA and almost killed by a world renowned logistics company contracted to JLR and sponsoring F1, 20 years working for them only to be discarded like a piece of meat at the end of it, what did I get out of it? only one leg and my livelihood destroyed. Thanks JLR.

[@Mitchell-mo9up]

I think it’s probably safe to say they didn’t lean on the PM to resolve this 😂

[@wonkybear4400]

Would you call Lamborghini German? No, because they are not. JLR problems, and there are many, are all their own. Terrible things :D

[@MrFerrari458gto]

British company mate owned by an Indian company. You look up enough companies they're all owned by someone else

[@markscott6414]

Regardless of everything! I can’t think of anyone I know or myself who would get back into a car that led me on an uncontrolled 100mph+ death ride after JLR said “it’s ok, no problems found” & then drive it away again!!!! Hell no!! That’s when the alarm bells rang.

[@damianlewis7550]

I did (although not a 100mph incident). The car is beautiful to drive and its easy to think it will be fine after being looked at by JLR. That is until it does it or something similar again. Mine was in the garage for 14 weeks over the past 5 years because of multiple electrical system faults.

[@chrisatcoldharbour]

Not got an ev but had experience of eletric gremlins. I had dealings with a range rover that wouldn't run right. It turned out to be a leaking window and water into a ecu causing it to change its program from British auto to a French manual. It was OK after a reset until it rained. Had a combine harvester that if the engine was running could randomly turn on the trashing equipment. I know all the kit on cars makes them easier and nicer to drive especially for people who don't actually know what they are doing other than press a button and magic happens. But it isn't always reliable and when something happens there isn't always a mechanical override to keep you in control.

[@julianpalmer4674]

The main problem here is the data they retrieve, if they get any, only records what the software has been programmed to record! So the data they do get may not confirm the guy's story either way.

[@miff227]

it's not a problem. They don't need to retrieve any data. They will make up whatever data they need to show the EV is safe if the data shows anything apart from that.

[@bogdana.m.2416]

​@@miff227right... And the Marmots are wrapping chocolate bars in a factory in the Alps.😐 Have you found out about the VW Dieselgate scandal or Boeing's grave problems or Toyota's acceleration issues or many manufacturers EuroNCAP passenger side scandal or Ford's Pinto and the recent ones of BMW's possible Diesel cheating software and the long list goes on... So such thing isn't going to be easy to hide, leads to Blackmail, leaves traces and too many people are involved.

[@bogdana.m.2416]

​@@miff227FYI just very few cars, usually race cars and test ones log real time data. There has to be enough resources, memory and computational, to store it and Also a protocol for what data and how long is to be stored. There is a huge number of relevant data that should & can be logged... But you need computational power that costs a lot to do it safely and not lose it!

[@box.10]

Hi Geoff. I had a similar incident in my ipace last April when the car went through my garage door . Can I talk to you about it please

[@ms-jl6dl]

The car didn't "go through the garage door" by itself. You put it through there. All modern cars have chips in their ECUs which record relevant motor/car data and it'll show you what you did. People crash their cars in parking lots all over the planet all the time. People make mistakes.

[@Beauloqs]

How to say I'm a complete plank without actually saying it......

[@David-135]

Wouldn't Jaguar Land Rover be able to access the vehicle logs remotely or at least when the car went to the garage?

[@SabretoothBarnacle]

Usually the only time such specific data is captured is when an airbag is deployed so the moments leading up to crash can be fully investigated.

[@David-135]

@@SabretoothBarnacle Search “Jaguar Land Rover remote access”

[@Craig-wp3pz]

But CAN the POLICE? and how tempted would JLR be to hit 'Erase all' 🤔

[@SabretoothBarnacle]

@@Craig-wp3pz I believe some police forces can with some vehicles but it's usually a call to a specialty service/manufacturer's HQ

[@Craig-wp3pz]

@@SabretoothBarnacle not exactly an independent solution or a secure one.... Would jaguar be willing to incriminate themselves if they are Cop,Judge AND Jury?????

[@theun-personing5674]

No way a 2+ tonne suv would do a roundabout at 90 mph

[@powjj]

It's a big roundabout. Switch island it's called. I know the roads/junctions well. It is doable at that speed - as is the m57 m62 junction too

[@peterclarke3300]

@@powjjwhat about the adverse camber at the end doing the the speed he was doing 🤷‍♂️

[@peterclarke3300]

Plus there’s no hard shoulder there

[@powjj]

@@peterclarke3300 it's not cross falling. It's a massive junction of about 7 lanes. It's not a typical roundabout

[@powjj]

@@peterclarke3300 and when have you ever been there when there's no cars there. I've driven that junction countless times and I've never been there without other cars

[@boboinc2956]

I've fitted a rear view dashcam as a precaution as the amount of people in EVs nearly running into the rear of the car is frightening.

[@MyMy-tv7fd]

having it happen twice in one day is tantamount to an admission that he had a very dangerous malfunction, took it JLR, got a clean bill of health - but no diagnosis of what happened - then recklessly took it out again and got a repeat performance - which the police could construe as 'driving without due care and attention', or a lot of other things

[@nickmandleberg]

The police couldn't possibly accuse him of this if he took it to JLR after the first time and got a clean bill of health.

[@boelensds]

How do you turn of a push botton car when software goes hectare. there no internal kill switch. As a petrol car you could turn power off by turning the key.

[@shadgrind]

Just added a comment regarding how difficult it would be to stop my 2005 auto Merc and YT binned it!??

[@wobblyboost]

I've had a dozen comments vanish from Geoffs vids so I just don't bother actually writing any. This will probably get deleted just because it's verifying that it happens lol!

[@annebeignatborde1832]

Even benign comments disappear. I've noticed that if I'm writing a comment and an ad starts the comment often doesn't post.

[@ferrumignis]

​@@annebeignatborde1832Yes, if you are writing a comment in the app and an ad starts you will lose whatever you have written. Super annoying.

[@annebeignatborde1832]

@@ferrumignis yes, it happened when I wrote that message. I had to write it again because I forgot to make a copy before posting which is what I do now if I'm writing a long one. I think some channels (main stream media ones) have some kind of filtering of specific words. The other evening I was trying to respond to someone about Macron wanting to send troops to a certain country and after 4 tries I split certain words and sentences with spaces and carriage returns and it posted.

[@Globetrotter-1]

​@@annebeignatborde1832KZbin is run by Google and the algorithm automatically deletes anything that remotely goes against their agenda. Millions of valid comments are deleted on a daily basis. Censorship is rife.

[@karlg2950]

Leaky windscreen!! FFS its 2024 , that could be expected in a MK1 escort!

[@GeoffBuysCars]

My point exactly!! I too am chasing windscreen leaks… on my 1969 Renault 😂

[@mcnelstv1880]

I have a 3yr old McLaren that's just gone back to the garage for corrosion!! and when it rains, the windows drop and won't go back up even if the car is locked.

[@davidadams5116]

A MK 1 escort screen probably wouldn't leak

[@bogdana.m.2416]

​@@mcnelstv1880😱🤯 and they're showing & claiming they put so much care into creating them ... See the documentaries in the factory and offices = space age stuff! 🤔🤔

[@hendongooner7383]

I'm sticking with my 57 plate VW Golf 1.9 TDi - its on 191K miles - only had to do routine servicing on it and changed the clutch at 130K and the turbo at 180K. She gives me around 50MPG. It's not overly reliant on tech and is more analogue by comparison to newer versions.

[@miff227]

my 58 plate Alfa is similar, just the right level of aids, not massively complicated

[@davidhancock91]

Autopilot or whatever you want to call it should be outlawed. Us other normal drivers and our passengers are at risk of some idiot not paying attention, or watching a movie running into us, and killing us or our loved ones.

[@allosaurusfragilis7782]

Had something similar happen to me whilst driving my old MGB V8 on a motorway. I'd put the foot down and when I took it off, the car kept accelerating! I think I dipped the clutch, causing revs to howl, then turned engine off and then back to ignition, so I still had steering. Something like that anyway, was a long time ago . Turned out the acc cable had a tail on it sticking out which had got jammed. Easy fix. My point is that in an old petrol car, there's various things you can do, before you hit something. In a modern EV , I have no idea what you could do....can you turn them off under way?

[@StarskyQC]

I'd a similar issue with a 1992 K10 Nissan Micra around 1998. Throttle stuck open on a motorway slip road heading to a T-junction. No drama, neutral took the drive out of the equation then it was knocking off the engine. As you say, imagine that in an EV.

[@equaliser2265]

When you stop a vehicle in a PAC impact is minimal speeds are constant, is around 1 or 2 mph as Police vehicles are matching speed. If you are travelling at 40mph and hit a wall impact is judged to be 80mph. If you have a head-on collision with another vehicle both vehicle speeds are added together giving the impact speed. 70+70 impact 140.

[@SabretoothBarnacle]

I just hope JLR aren't doing a Fujitsu/Post Office stance on this... One way or another, things will always come out

[@Pressbutan]

7:03 ask any owner of a Volvo I5 from 1999-2004 about the electronic throttle module. I believe it’s possible but yeah I find the story to be a bit .. exaggerated in parts? Seems like the guy is genuine, nobody would call the cops on themselves on the proceeds of a crime. At least I hope not

[@dogtails7614]

If JLR can access the car remotely what is stopping anyone else accessing the car, or any EV, remotely🤔🤔

[@CASHSEC]

Accessing the car remotely is perfectly feasable. So it costs a grand to fix a car. These modern are crap. Any car with a computer could be subject to uncontrollable unpredictable behaviour. Don't buy these cars.

[@God_help_us]

I’m calling it was hacked or a software problem…

[@disband_thebbc5933]

A laptop with WiFi access, the correct software and the know how although the know how is less important as the software improves. Hackers were looking in to this a few years ago using the iCAN protocol. It can effect both ICE and EV's it's down to vulnerabilities in the onboard computers modern cars have.

[@realMaverickBuckley]

Nothing. There was a journalist who broke a huge story about the US Military in Iraq. He emailed a friend to say he was about to break something huge but that he was worried he was being followed. Could be a coincidence bug his car ran into a palm tree in a city centre at 146mph in the US. Needless to say he died and the story was never realised.

[@GampyBamblor]

According to our own national security china can access most of the evs here anyway

[@daverickards7647]

I never had that problem with my Sinclair C5 .

[@jagjay8033]

i used the roads he was on everyday for 10 years there are no speed cameras so people who have not been on the roads this happened on shouldn't comment. the roundabout junctions are big 4 lane roads with no tight bends just straight across easy do over 100 round on them

[@colinhamilton5989]

The guy in the MG in Scotland who couldn't stop the car until police got involved. When the RAC checked the diagnostics on the car it came up with pages of faults according to local news reports at the time.

[@simonshee5155]

Paid £66,000 CASH for a car👀 wow, some people are in another world!

[@fishtigua]

At College I borrowed a mate's Vespa. Coming up to a round-about, the bloody throttle jammed open. I pogo-ed around the island and into a petrol station forecourt before stopping. Frightening.

[@PointNemo9]

Next time just press the clutch. The engine will be bouncing off of the limiter but no power will be going to the wheels

[@shadgrind]

Well seeing as that last one went through, I just tried toget two insurance quotes. I live in a flat, car parked on the street, 57 YO clean licence, 9 yrs NCB. My 2005 Mercedes clk350, and Tesla Model 3. My car fully comp £167.00 the Tesla £675.00. Before I had the Merc I had a 2020 MX5, that was actually slightly cheaper than the Merc, so, if I swapped my car for a milk float. I couldn’t charge at home, (first floor flat) my car would depreciate faster than Max Verstappen on a hot lap, the nearest charger to me is about a mile away, there are two in my local Tesco, which are constantly being vandalised. If it gets a bit chilly it probably won’t want to start. The good news is it can accelerate really fast, so my car hating gf who says she is ‘sick’ of cars, can finally prove it. That last bit was 🙃 sarcasm.

[@ynotnilknarf39]

The Tesla is massively under for risk/cost to replace and repair, this is why (in part) insurance is going up due to expensive motor owners not getting the true like for like ins costs compared to older and or cheaper motors

[@frizzlefry5904]

Are you saying 'Walter Mitty Munchhausen driving by proxy' ? because the same thoughts went through my head, I would have stacked it.

[@dubster8086]

This may be a stupid question but in a case where the car won’t stop, if you were to use the adaptive cruise wouldn’t this allow a car to be slowed and then stop from the car in front?

[@Discovery_Dad]

Steering racks on Discovery Sports is a much more prevalent issue. JLR actually issued a full safety recall on it. The bolts holding the motor are the wrong material, corrode and snap. Happened on mine, 2 out of 3 bolts went... because the bolts snap and leave part of it in situ, the fix is a new rack. Parts are as you would expect parts in short supply. Discovery 5's also have a long history of poor sealant on windscreens with huge leaks and resulting damage. These are made in Slovakia with the Defender.

[@pelocitdarney5718]

A fault in year 2000 Audi A3 and TT radios illustrates how a sofware bug can get through the testing process successfully, then lie dormant, then strike at an unpredictable time. The programmer who programmed the radio volume setting used the wrong type of memory for each incremental volume change. He used memory which was supposed to be used only to record settings on start up and switch off. This piece of memory physically degraded after around 50,000 read-write operations. Consequently, after around 5 years of use, the volume control gave unpredictable results, for example the volume goes up when you try to turn it down. It took a bunch of Russian software engineers to discover this, by reverse-engineering the code in the radio chip. EVs could potentially have loads of similar bugs lurking in them, waiting to take control away from the driver.

[@pelocitdarney5718]

It happens. Rock band Viola Beach in a Qashqai driven by their manager lost control and accelerated towards a bridge which was in the process of being lifted, with the result that all five were killed.

[@lulabellegnostic8402]

I had a terrifying experience last week. I was hurtling down the road out of control, my speed was increasing and i was approaching a bend. But i had the presence of mind to take my foot off the gas and put it on the brake. Phew, what a lucky escape.

[@richardsutton01]

The carb linkage on my Vauxhall Carlton automatic jammed on high throttle on the M4 near Heathrow in the early 80's. I got through the traffic and onto the hard shoulder by standing on the brakes as hard as I could and then turned off the engine. Within two minutes a police car arrived. I explained that the car was not driveable but I would be able to sort it out as I was a DIY mechanic and had some tools with me. The whole incident was a bit stressful but definitely not terrifying unless you can't keep a clear head. My passenger was a woman from work as we had been to a business meeting together. She told the police officers that she didn't feel safe on the hard shoulder with all the traffic thundering past so they took her away in the patrol car to drop her at the nearest tube station which was kind of them.

[@equaliser2265]

If you want to stop the vehicle on your own, gradually go side on into the crash barriers, and use the friction to slow you down. Yes extensive damage to the side of the car but hey😊

[@clemo49]

0-60 in 1second- in a 20mph zone? That'll work.

[@CleanFinish2023]

Geoff should ask Interceptor Ben to come on and do a Collab, Ben could give a police perspective.

[@strawman3059]

There's actually an add on this video to test drive an ipace 🤣🚗🔥

[@GeoffBuysCars]

😂

[@kevint3845]

There is a class action in north America re Range Rover windscreens ie they are leaking, look it up. In fact there are a number of class actions on the Range Rovers, they are all on the net.

[@robincook5999]

Don't start a machine until you know how to stop it first. Don't leave cables lying on the ground. I had problems with a Alfa in the 1990s wich cut out on the M5 between Stonehouse and Dursley on the return it did the same. When I gave the Car back and said what had happened I was told this happens every time there. An article in the local newspaper reported how cars which parked at a shop ,would not restart but when they were removed away from the shop they restarted , what I am saying is the problem could becoming from another source not necessarily internal problem's they are connected to outside forces. I thought modern cars could be stopped by the Police if required?.

[@shauncorless8965]

He ran it till the electric ran put ,police say they will charge everything over night 😅

[@sciroccomods]

If anyone has a diesel that does this, not the brakes but the engine goes to full revs, you shut the car off and it doesn't turn off , it's called "runaway diesel" you need to stick it neutral then block the engine air intake to suffocate the engine.

[@Chris-j6e]

As I once heard a man say to 2 bald guys, “ you could put your heads together and make an ass of yourselves “. But it’s not true in your case, I love your channel, keep up the good work, I like your patience with the I Pace guy, from someone who has been competing in motorsport all my life, no way that could have happened !

[@stephanopolopolis]

Just clicked to watch and got served up a Jaguar iPace commercial followed by a clip about ‘targeted’ KZbin ads for businesses 🤯 😅

[@andrewcameron1050]

Okay so I've read every comment in this thread, agreed with a few and been in despair at the state of humanity after reading some. And no ones worked it out. No one has mentioned CAN-bus. Google it and see how complicated it is, its not simple copper wires moving 12 volts around anymore like in your old Ford Escort. All modern cars use it including this iPace. I have a 20 year old saloon that uses it. CAN-bus in my experience doesnt like, getting old, dust or moisture. Add to that the issues jaguar is having with soluble windscreen glue and there is the answer. Damp, cranky CAN-bus can and will do whatever the hell it feels like doing until you clean it and dry it out. The CAN-bus connectors in mine are very similar to those used in desktop computers in the 90s. Those connectors had similar issues with dust build up after just 2 to 3 years and caused the weirdest issues. Thats what led me to start cleaning the CAN-BUS connectors in my car and it has solved so many weird issues that qualified technician's couldn't diagnose. Think carefully about what I've written, think again about the timeline that this iPace has had, and from memory it was raining the 2nd time this driver had issues. Its not rocket science, it just using your noggin for what it was designed for instead of darting down rabbit holes.

[@fredEVOIX]

driven 300-400hp cars most of my life stopped caring about 0-60 a long time ago what matters to me with more driving years behind the wheel is 50-75mph the throttle response is what you use every day

[@scaryfakevirus]

To refuse bail the police must have very good reason. This is extremely unusual with a case like this especially if the arrest was for suspicion of dangerous driving. Bail with conditions would normally be the situation.

[@sarahp9552]

what's happening with this story now, where's nathan, the silence is deafening.

[@EverydayLife621]

I did have something similar in my car, the car mat managed to get on top of the accelerator peddle - the brake did work when pressed gently (ie cut power), but as soon as I lifted off it accelerated up again - took about a minute to work it out - as looked at my feet to see the mat over the accelerator - this was at around 60mph on motorway (going upto 70 and down to 50)

[@damianlewis7550]

JLR told me the default if the accelerator is pressed at the same time as the brake, is that the car will brake. The issue I experienced was that the brake went solid and couldn’t be pressed. And my foot was nowhere near the accelerator as I was regenerative braking to a stop at the lights. Would have broken my leg if my coliision had been at speed.

[@jlrguy2702]

I’m not going to waste time speculating, EVs braking systems work differently to common ICE cars, just because you hit the brake pedal doesn’t engage the brakes. It’s controlled by an ECU that either engages regeneration or physical brakes. So you could get a run away can with no brakes. My other question is there any relation to this and the Range Rover crash when it went through the school wall and didn’t stop until it killed kids? Never had any investigation results about the car or driver we’re there? Or May be I just miss all of these things.

[@famousulstersam]

Don’t talk to me about leaking, I had a Skoda Karoq that leaked so bad, every time I opened the tailgate, it was like taking a cold shower plus, the damp was so bad, the seatbelts grew mould; not great for someone with leukaemia and little to no immune system but yet Skoda told me several times,there was nothing wrong with the vehicle.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

That’s insane

[@GhostLead65]

Was it just a "police procedure" that they must arrest someone for this until proved otherwise?

[@rprodgers1]

Jaguar I-Pace. Austrian quality build. Incidentally the same Austrian factory builds Mercedes Benz G class and Toyota Supra

[@zavoianusebastian]

Hello there! Just heard briefly that you’ve mentioned the steering racks on Jag , try to look into the camshafts problems on the Mercedes S class diesel w222 , all of the facelift models have problems with that after 90k miles . I had experienced that myself also about 10 other of my friends as we are all private hire divers . Repair costs are almost 3k…

[@pbr549]

Hey Geoff are you going to do a follow up on the Pear Tree Inn and Country Hotel, Worcester? Was wondering if it’s back to business. Just curious from Alabama US. Thanks.

[@marks7471]

I feel sorry for Jagman, he won't even be able to get a good lawyer who will go against the force.

[@Fred-gu6pk]

The Sith.

[@BionicRusty]

Sounds fishier than a secret stash if a fisherman’s packet of Fisherman’s Friends.

[@Maksimov1337]

Faulty cruise control system. Does this iPace have the radar guided bollocks?

[@justjones5430]

The fact that he got back into the Exact Same Car! That was the limit of my credulity. This Car Went out of control, no way to stop it! I WOULD NEVER GET IN THAT MODEL OF VEHICLE AGAIN! LET ALONE THE EXACT SAME ONE THAT NEARLY KILLED ME!😮😮😮 Sniff sniff! Anyone else smell something? I want to see The Behaviour Panel take a look at that.

[@briant4323]

Why not just tap the windscreen to crack it and claim on the insurance?

[@bigmarkuk8374]

Well Geoff your audio is good.. I kept thinking the police helicopter was over my neighbourhood... "Just for a change"

[@simonshee5155]

Leaking windscreens? No point adding high tech balloney to a car and failing with the basics!

[@Smart-Skippy]

I drive an 11 year old Lexus IS 350 F Sport. No Dramas, No crap... It lust works. Made in Japan.

[@ps8432]

I originally thought cruise control fault. May not be fitted, but wiring probably in loom.