The Scandalous Tale of the "Crazy" Countess

[@Mattostar-z2d]

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[@ForgottenLives]

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[@angelaberni8873]

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[@ForgottenLives]

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[@Ronkyort0dox]

But he doesn't

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Not perfect but a good prounanciation 😊

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[@ree3.]

I concur

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[@gabriellebernard198]

He showed "The Gaze" , perhaps one of the most stunning. photographs ever taken. One needs to remember that photography was in its infancy and yet, the artistry is clearly there. This one photo shows you how much she and the photographer worked in tandem to create a new language of this very new art form. They would worked tirelessly on creating a document that has yet to be surpassed.

[@nordiclivingfinland]

ive said this before and say it again, you are very well spoken young man, and you make presentations of these stories nice to listen. and these stories are so interesting too , thank you.

[@BlaineShire]

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[@ForgottenLives]

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[@AshleyMartin-f3x]

Talks a little bit to slow

[@pilipalaglas36]

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[@ForgottenLives]

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[@mkervelegan]

What a treat! Always erudite and a brilliant combination of facts related with sensitivity to the often sad subjects, told without judgment.

[@doanadixon7085]

I don't know why, but her story makes me think of 'A Street Car Named Desire'. I'm sad to know she lost her son and he was only 24.

[@TikiHi77]

Found your channel today. This is my second video. Loving it!

[@ForgottenLives]

I'm so glad you found me! 😊

[@leah902]

A story indeed. As someone who has been termed "beautiful " from childhood, I can say it has its perks but my God, the expectations are demonic. I remember every time I had an idea or a hobby, the stares and comments I'd get from family was crushing. The expectation to "use" the beauty to bring us wealth and glory was always there. I remember one time, a woman called me a fool for coming 2nd in a beauty paegent which i never wanted to participate in. That memory hurts me cos i was so young and couldnt retaliate. I was expected to use it to get favours for myself and others. This isn't entirely a bad thing because it's easy to sound like an ingrate for saying these BUT the thing no one tells you is that, BEAUTY HAS A TIME WINDOW. If you are lucky, you get 10 years, max! After that, what next? I wasnt prepared for anything else. The only thing I mastered was WAITING for the next opportunity. Beauty opens powerful doors and I've walked through some of them myself. The thing no one tells you is how to keep those doors open while sitting there like an art exhibition. Many beautiful women were taught to seize but many were taught to just sit. My final words: There's always a window, whatever gift you have, seize the time and make sure you live your own dreams

[@ariella4444]

There are many downsides for being beautiful. You will always be envied and hated by so many jealous women. I was also hated by so many women, including my older sister. Each of them had a mission to accomplish, which was to make my life as miserable as possible. That’s exactly what happened to me. Instead of enjoying my life as a beautiful girl, I was always envied and hated with a passion and hurt by so many evil & jealous women, and my life was a total misery bc of them. I wish that I was never beautiful. Maybe my life would’ve been a happier one if I looked average or hideous!

[@leah902]

@ariella4444 I can relate to this. My friendships sail soo smoothly until they have a partner, and I'll never be invited to their weddings. The partners will know me but will never see me from dating stage to marriage stage

[@stolenjunk]

​@@ariella4444You described my life exactly. Except I wouldn't have wanted to be plain or hedious. Now I'm just old. Never to late to focus on some other aspect of yourself.

[@afroditi5845]

My question is: Did you manage to live the life you wanted?

[@hablin1]

Very true ❤

[@adrianamejia2478]

Thank you so much for your history lessons ❤!

[@ForgottenLives]

Glad you like them!

[@AntonieMagdalena]

As usual, wonderful, interesting, fascinating! This young man is most definitely the best history teller on KZbin! ❤❤❤

[@ForgottenLives]

Wow, thank you! 😊

[@Kathryn-f1h]

I love your videos. Interesting & smart. Great job 👍

[@ForgottenLives]

I appreciate that! 😄

[@doramendes5497]

I'm surprised you haven't do the Marchesa Luisa Casati yet.....what a legend of a woman!

[@mayaann5998]

Thank you so much for your videos!!! I love your videos and so excited to see this one in particular! I’ve written several papers on her unique history and specifically her photographs! Love learning more about her

[@ForgottenLives]

That's so great to hear, thanks!

[@raquellofstedt9713]

Ironiccally, I think she had more beauty as a sixty year old that she did as a young woman. She had gained a depth to her that the younger woman absolutely did not have.

[@TAROTbyTAMAR-sh7fd]

💐 yes PLEASE more courtesan bios they're fascinating! thank u for ur beautiful work!

[@ForgottenLives]

You got it!

[@Elke-j8m]

Outstanding job FLives! I loved this epic history. Thank you for make my Sunday night great! I wish you a nice week ahead :)

[@ForgottenLives]

Thanks so much, I’m glad you enjoyed it!

[@Elke-j8m]

@@ForgottenLives Yes, i always do! Thank you!

[@Skreemqueen75]

Very interesting and sad. Great work on the video as always.

[@ForgottenLives]

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[@ForgottenLives]

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[@cadillacdeville5828]

You do such a phenomenal job

[@lindadeal3344]

Interesting subject! Thanks for your readings and find this one exceptional!

[@zero_bs_tolerance8646]

Very good. Worth the wait. Thanks.

[@ForgottenLives]

Welcome as always!

[@CommonWealther]

I really enjoy your stories. In fact, I found you through Brief Case. I have since continued my search of Victorian times. If you also like these stories check out Chronicles of the Times and News of the times. They're fairly new but very well done presentations, similar to yours and BC's. ❤🇨🇦

[@tawnie8550]

Great vid 👏

[@ForgottenLives]

Glad you enjoyed it 😀

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You always bring welcome and informative entertainment. Bits of history and biography I would not have found without your efforts. I'm grateful to you. Thanks so much

[@tkmccoywv]

Ooooh! I've been in that cathedral! Santa Maria del Fiore, AKA The Duomo. I also walked along the top. It was amazing!

[@prudencepineapple9448]

I think I have a 'cabinet photo' of her. It's of her sitting side on, holding a cardboard photo frame, obscuring her face except for the oval cutout where the photo would go. She stares at the camera through the oval cutout. She was quite striking with grey wisps of hair. I very artistic photo, which was the reason I bought it. I could very well be wrong on that, and I often am!

[@prudencepineapple9448]

10:54 I hang my head in shame and utter humiliation. What it has taught me is to watch the #entire# video before commenting. Yes, that’s the photo I own.

[@Sorchia56]

Brilliantly presented! Cheers

[@ForgottenLives]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@jenrules]

Love your voice!! And always such interesting stories! Keep up the great work! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

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[@m.f.richardson1602]

Always interesting Thank you❤

[@ForgottenLives]

So nice of you!

[@audrahartman4212]

Very nice work, well done!

[@Charlotte66666]

Wonderful, thank you ❤

[@ForgottenLives]

Glad you like it!

[@NannupTiger]

That was a great episode! 🤩

[@DCFunBud]

Wonderful story! I have never heard of the remarkable countess.

[@vialogan]

So good I subbed! Very timely content, as I've just finished watching the fabulous series The Empress on Netflix. I wasn't familiar with this countess...fascinating. You referred to her as the first supermodel but I was thinking, "What a drama queen!" Women who share these traits may be written off by some as self-centered trivialists. They are, however, inextrixably complex, compelling, and frustrating (sometimes, all at once). I believe we have such a dramatic personality in our midst today, cosplaying as a duchess. The personality tracks; just dress her in turn-of-the-century fashion and style and tell the story again, 21st century style.

[@jeff6732]

Great channel just found it. I’m all in.✌🏽

[@ForgottenLives]

Welcome, thanks very much 😀

[@patricialong5767]

These crazy former celebrities simply cannot/couldn't accept the mere fact that they were not what they were in their far gone youth, so they go nuts! And so it goes... on and on into oblivion!

[@OctBlueBelle]

i love stories like this. Thank u! great job

[@bravewave2084]

Really good.⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@violetrapp4608]

I absolutely love you and your indepth research. Presentation is outstanding. Wondering if you have heard of a man named Jebidiah Jenkins from the US. I saw a short that left me thinking how amazing it would be to see what you come up with because the short didn't have any background and just a tease about his crime

[@JSH911]

I’m fascinated by the Countess….I made it a point to lay roses 🌹 on her grave at Pere Lachaise Cemetery. Her photos in the book put out by the Metropolitan Museum of Art are amazing and so beautiful and poignant.

[@bisibisbi]

On one of the photograps, she posed with stars in her hair and on her dress, similar to Empress Sisi. In fact, I see similarities in their life. A failed marriage, being obsessed with their appearance, maybe even to the point of being a narcissist, losing their sons, didn´t get over the loss of their famous looks in later life and withdrawing from the eyes of socielty, having mental issues and erratic behaviour. Thanks for another fascinating biography, Forgotten Lives.

[@cocojo242]

Interesting, thank you. 👍

[@RubenDario-hr4iq]

Fascinating. Thanks

[@DianeC.]

Hello!!! This was a interesting story. She was pretty but not beautiful... She had a bad heart to go with so many men...It was a shame her SON died so young. What did he die from??? She lost her mind after that happened.Im going to look up that movie...Good Video!!!...Your fan&friend from USA...🇺🇸🦋

[@janstaz]

different standards then.

[@pamelatitterington2453]

What a story,such a character,thank you ,it's great

[@SkyeSage17]

Sad thing is ...she was not beautiful at all. She'd been lied to all her life

[@johnhenderson131]

15:47 A very interesting part of history which I’m ashamed to admit I am more ignorant of than I should be. It certainly helps later WW I History make more understandable. And WW II.

[@wendybutler1681]

Do you ever think about the fact that you have real ancestors that lived in those times? In the 15th century? The 16th and 17th? Mom's family left Holland in 1654. Dad's mom walked beside a covered wagon from eastern Dakota territory to the mines of western Montana territory as a child in the 1880s ot 90s. Mom's folks were married in 1903. Her father's family owned the town bank and paid off depositors when the depression hit. My mother had to leave the big house in town for the farm house with no indoor plumbing and it was quite a blow to her adolescent confidence. I have eras that fascinate me, seeing perhaps how my ancestors liived or experienced life. I guess it makes those eras seem a little more REAL to me. Josiah B. brought seven sons and their families to the New World. Seeing the sailing ships in the first minute of this video triggered some thoughts of them crossing the Atlantic so long ago.

[@krooks6367]

You are a fresh Wind in this World of AI produced production. With you we know we get the real thing

[@tmoreno8884]

Me recordó a Sissi, la emperatriz... Famosa por su belleza, pero ambas mujeres ególatras y egoístas... Y cada vez más locas

[@TamaraSchlottmann]

Be proud where you are it was a long hard road that you traveled. No one should throw rocks in your yard if their isn't clean.

[@SandraSilva-gj5kb]

Thanks!

[@LilyFlowers-hh3sc]

She lost her mind over the loss of her son. However, she was in mourning over the loss over her looks. 😢

[@deborahdean8867]

The way they describe her room, I wonder if she had migraines or tried staying up all night and sleeping in the day.

[@StephaineTorres]

I doubt I will remember these videos. But I will enjoy them just the same.❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@isabelbecerra9258]

Interesting video really enjoyed this woman’s history

[@thisismyname3928]

At one point you say "many powerful men paid for her company", yet this wasn't in regards to her modelling, so I think this needs a little more explanation. The implications are a little risque in a way I don't think you intend.

[@ForgottenLives]

You make a good point - I'll try to be more precise in the future! To explain they did in fact pay for her time which sometimes included other services lets say.

[@thisismyname3928]

@@ForgottenLives Wow, that's a big reveal! I didn't get that impression at all. Good to know, thanks!

[@nicolew4877]

She spent her best years on empty pursuits, she didn’t make genuine or meaningful connections / friendships. She wasted her enormous privilege on self adoration and affairs. She could have used her influence for good causes. I do feel for her losing her son so young.

[@lindajohnsonkaplan647]

She was only 62 and felt the need to go in the dark while veiled? And for 20 years covered her mirrors?? That’s so sad. She would only have been in her early 40s.

[@MissAyame89]

Whenever i hear beautiful titled and went crazy i immediately question the validity of the crazy part. Thru-ought history beautiful powerful woman where often painted that way to take there power and wealth. “Her mental health suffered after her mother passed”. Um what was she supposed to be doing? Laughing and going to party’s. “As she got older she was a recluse” and that proves mental instability how? As you get older you stop going to party’s and clubs and such. Priority’s shift. Health naturally declines. If you aren’t well you’re not going to willingly go out and cause more pain and rumors if others see you unwell. That would be grounds to strip her of her wealth and power. There was mourning periods during that time where you were considered mentally unstable if you didn’t adhere to them. 🤷🏻‍♀️ she even did the photos again everyone loved her for before and that also brought criticism. no matter what she did she was vilified as often how older woman of wealth where treated. Its sad.

[@Midrac61]

You picture of Napoleon Bonaparte is actually Eugene de Beauharnais. There is a picture of Napoleon by the same painter which looks alike.

[@ForgottenLives]

I'm quite sure I got the right one, but yeah in those two paintings they look very similar! : commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Austria-03330_-_Napoleon_I_(32092540214).jpg

[@nothingworksworks3511]

Pre brat doll era beauty. When unique features were propelled w an alluring persona

[@aova687]

Where do you find these obscure historical figures?

[@ForgottenLives]

When you research historical people you come across many others!

[@tawnie8550]

I think the empress was prettier😬

[@mercdeslaflamme1507]

Yes I really like em too 🖤🖤🖤🖤

[@wildcolonialman]

Fascinating.

[@sbalsamo410]

What about the idea of YOU doing a q & a?

[@andycortes9617]

🎉🎉🎉

[@fairygurl9269]

💫💞✨️

[@jhash9554]

What was the black and white movie you played in the background

[@verablexitasap858]

I just dont see it. The beauty.

[@ForgottenLives]

Different times!

[@verablexitasap858]

@ForgottenLives Yeah. I thought about that too

[@scottclapson]

And Virginia was my great grandmothers name she was also born in Pisa and married Cafiero there

[@haubenmeisewillow-tit331]

Strange, the "most beautifull woman of Hollywood" Greta Garbo, did the same: withdrew into her appartement in a hotel in Paris (?) And was never seen again.

[@masondixon1552]

I don't see what all the fuss over her "beauty". I just don't see it!

[@bisibisbi]

I struggle, too. Inthink they had different aspects for "beauty" at that time.

[@patricialong5767]

No sympathy for those who waste God's gifts in pursuing selfish pursuits and ending up in poverty and do not save for their "golden" years. None at all!!

[@artiemiss1724]

All these wealthy people had every opportunity to contribute so much and instead just lead shallow worthless lives.

[@kathleenadams3770]

I love your voice

[@bethbartlett5692]

Being a recluse does not automatically equate to mental instability. Early Gossip Commentaries overly dramaticized women of elite status as having various Idiosyncrasies, relative to their decisions to withdraw from public/social life. Likely insecure due to where they and/or others placed so much value upon physical Appearance and Money, it would naturally be the 1st consideration. However, I would say that there were far more that chose to withdraw for personal desire than any mental health afflictions. Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian

[@MylissRuth]

She was only 62?? What did she die of?

[@GreenHeet]

I think she looked pretty good for her age... In my opinion the only thing wrong with her was the fact that she refused to act her age!

[@MDiStefano10]

Even that voice. Be still my heart :)

[@surreygirl2075]

A duchess should not be a mistress she should be married with children and live in the countryside with a loving husband and her children sad her son died she could of had more children and been happy and also sheep would have servants a cook a gardener a coach man a house keeper to look after her and take her dog for a walk with her children

[@amandapittar9398]

It’s what I always told my daughter and son, pretty only gets you so far. You need a good brain, Qualifications and smarts to last a lifetime. A great hobby or passion never goes amiss either. 😊

[@vickislominski7618]

Yvonne DeCarlo was far more beautiful than the Countess, imho.

[@you2angel1]

Thank you °~•.☆.•~°

[@jessklay8594]

How did her baby die 😢

[@keithrobinson7201]

Meghan Markel must have read her biography!😂

[@deadalready7467]

Well, not much has changed from then to now. Some people are consumed by their own vanity. Leaving no room for “relationships” with others. Others are only props in their world. Her son only a possession to own like her dog, kept on a leash. Wonder what his short 24y were like.

[@morenamontalvo8199]

What did she have that had her pass so young

[@lesliekendall5668]

And what American TV comedy did Yvonne de Carlo play in? No fair cheating.

[@VEROTIKAA]

xica da silva

[@mausercawley]

Marquis: mar-key. In Italian, mar-kez-eh. Not mar-kwis.

[@ForgottenLives]

Sorry! The pronunciation is how we say it in England :)

[@mausercawley]

Ah​@@ForgottenLivesI should have guessed.

[@alfredspic481]

"A stunning beauty", i don't think so...

[@stephenoverend293]

Very interesting story. However, a lot of fuss about her beauty. Nothing special.

[@cherylbrooks7005]

❤❤😊❤❤

[@weerobot]

Older Photos of Her are Fine..???

[@ForgottenLives]

Yes, the ones I show she looks mainly fine, but I read there were later unreleased photos, which were les flattering.. I couldn't find any only descriptions

[@HistoryHubinfo]

😮

[@lozinozz7567]

😊

[@tracib.7725]

Great video! Unpopular opinion perhaps, but I do not think she was pretty. Not sure how much she paid her hype man or how truly unattractive people were back then…but not cute.

[@ikkelimburg3552]

I really don’t get the ‘she was such a beauty’.