The Scene That Explains Why Avengers Worked and Justice League Didn’t | SCENE FIGHTS!

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Justice League and the Avengers are very similar movies. But one revolutionized modern cinema, and the other was a Frankenstein's monster that managed to please literally no one.
In this video we break down one scene that shows why one movie worked, and the other didn't.
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Written and Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Nguyen Trang
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[@ScreenCrush]

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[@JoeE.]

The Avengers is Josh Whedon's own project. And it's a totally different scenario about Josh Whedon's take over of a project that isn't his. And the intentions of doing each project are also 100% different. So, I totally disagree with this channel's opinion of why one worked and the other one didn't. Got it! And the reason why most Marvel movies are a hit is people are.not as familiar with their characters as those from DC and thus the curiosity is much higher. This curiosity is due to unpopularity of Marvel's comics and TV animated shows compared to that of DC.

[@JeremyWilliamson]

[10:52] It's interesting how she is SO AGAINST bringing Superman back from the dead, BUT in WW84, she isn't reluctant at all in bringing Steve Trevor back, right? lol

[@brentross9233]

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[@alpacapines8553]

You guys have Walt Disney under Justice League @0:28

[@Poeticrebellion]

Can you please do reviews of lovecraft country

[@BaselBannoud]

Avengers: The Heroes United Justice League: The Search For Superman

[@MrALenCar321]

You forgot Captain Marvel.

[@siddharthagarwal5756]

As soon as superman comes they win the fight, he single handedly defeats the bad guys. But the avengers had to fight together to defeat them. Justice league sucked Plus the aliens in avengers look way more believable

[@leostiffer530]

@@MrALenCar321 in the movie avenger doesnt rely on captain marvel .. all fight together . mcu nerf many character to make it balance so no character outshadow other character like superman he too strong tht everyone start to look weak .

[@Eshelion]

@@MrALenCar321 She wasn't there yet, fortunatelly.

[@idknotsure7093]

Yo for real how you gonna make a movie with a character like that

[@accioloki1151]

“these are not stable people” is probably the most accurate description of the avengers ever made 😭

[@someoneontheinternet16]

This can aply for either: The Avengers or my friend group

[@crisj7704]

Times like 3000+ opinions (get the 3000 reference there?) Avengers.

[@Shahzad-ss1jq]

@@someoneontheinternet16 I mean even if they aren't I'll spend a day with the cast of avengers they are really cool group even out of set than a day with the cast of DC

[@someoneontheinternet16]

@@Shahzad-ss1jq that is true

[@missmarreynolds]

What are they? A in over his head Millionare A girl raised to be a russian assasin A boy with anger issues A 100 year old with a shield Some guy whos not good at holding onto to poeple Andd A god He seems good

[@ionryful]

Basically, for me at least: Marvel: Heroes are made to be relatable(for the most part). DC: Heroes are made to be admired.

[@davemittner5911]

Good video but I think we did indeed see Bruce's contingency plan: Lois Lane. He arranged for her to be there just in case Supes went dark, believing she could pull him back. Which is exactly what happened.

[@mycelialpat4802]

Thank you I came to the comments for this. His contingency plan was obviously Lois Lane, not kryptonite that we "didn't get to see" (but we eventually do anyways).

[@Astrotase]

This is what makes superman so unrealistic, Lois Lane seriously he's a fucking God

[@otakumarcus]

@@Astrotase but she’s about as 1 dimensional as a dot

[@hud56]

Marvel:we fight together,we lose together. Dc:superman go kill him

[@jaydonturner2367]

Lol

[@seasnow6073]

Like pokemon. "Superman i choose you!!!"

[@watcherofwatchers]

Until Captain Supe... Marvel shows up.

[@jp3813]

@@watcherofwatchers Only to quickly disappear and become irrelevant.

[@Yellowbuzz-ug6of]

@@watcherofwatchers marvel got nerfed as she should’ve

[@noxid1974]

The real problem: The Avengers builded up by doing origin stories and individual movies FIRST. Justice League threw everything together in Dawn of Justice. There was no build up to the DCEU; the MCU took its time and turned out better.

[@grandcanyon2]

People felt like they knew the characters in the avengers, over time from multiple movies, i went to see winter soldier and avgers civil war. and avnegers infinity war with my brother i loved it. Each movie from marvel drew me in.

[@jackman2954]

Yea the justice league movie it’s all over the place they throw in so many things in there and there is new character being introduced too. They don’t even got enough time to developed each character back story for the audience to really care or feel anything special and this whole thing felt like director are in a rush just to complete the movie.

[@leaderoftheRizzobots3098]

If Marvel had done what DC did they would have ended up just as bad. What DC did is like Marvel doing Captain America then Captain America Civil war and then doing Captain Marvel and then doing the Avengers then after that doing Thor then Spiderman and then Captain Marvel 2.

[@ginza_animatex4083]

Exactly when it comes to the MCU i feel connected to the characters this is due to the fact on how much depth they go into the characters. When it came to the DC movies i felt as if it was just packed together, without any character depth.

[@mhrn.1309]

Everyone felt much, much more attached to the characters because of that. Take a look at Tony Stark, for example. You can like his ego, but I think we can all agree that it was in the way. But that ego eventually turned into bravery more and more after The Avengers, all while remaining the man Tony Stark is.

[@Xylord79]

First of all, holy crap, I never realized Justice League drew so many similarities from Avengers. Second, this comparison easily shows why the MCU has been beyond more successful than other cinematic universes. No other studio wants to take the time and investment to build up the universe itself and employ the visionary leadership that it takes to do it. Marvel Studios has Kevin Feige and his team, which are allowed the freedom to make MCU movies without much executive oversight. They're trusted to make good movies and the revenues speak for themselves. Warner Bros on the other hand hires directors but they're given all kinds of demands to incorporate into the movie, mostly to sell toys and maximize the profits of the movies. There's no regard for the actual art and film-making part of the process. Because execs at Warner Bros are old school. Before the MCU, super-hero movies were never regarded as true movie art, just conduits for other revenue generation, like toys. The MCU comes along and not only proves that notion wrong but essentially blows it out of the water, to the point where many Hollywood execs and directors are still having trouble with that reality to this day.

[@SkywardChocobo]

Dude, that's well said. Totally agree.

[@Xylord79]

@@SkywardChocobo Thanks!

[@haysnairte4]

@@SkywardChocobo I concur!

[@HylianDrew94]

There’s also a bigger thing that makes Marvel work…we grew with most of the characters. Most of them all had their own movies and interactions outside of the movie so we grew with them. Not much of the case with DC and their many shifts from continuity and changes.

[@fedeu]

I think this only applies if you are less than 24 and grew up watching the MCU movies. If you are older than that, you've maybe seen Iron Man cartoons and Hulk. But Captain America, Hawkeye, Thor, black widow, scarlet witch, none of those characters had much presence on the media exceptfor the comics. Marvel went bankrupt in 1996, son at that point the only movies we had seen were spiderman and fantastic 4 and X-men, because they sold those rights to sony. On the other hand, DC had batman, Superman and wonder woman everywhere, Flash was always knowns as the "fast" superhero, Cyborg was in teen titans, and well, Aquaman was kind of a meme at that point. But everybody knew those guys.

[@HylianDrew94]

@@fedeu I’m actually older than 24 and only had exposure to the MCU movies (plus The Incredible Hulk and four Spider-Man movies). Captain America and Thor both had movies prior to The Avengers, and Black Widow appeared in Iron Man 2. Scarlet Witch didn’t appear until Ultron (not including post credits scenes). Hawkeye was new but the majority of the heroes we were already presented with in the MCU. Edit: Missed the DC Universe parts of your post but I didn’t feel like I connected with most of those characters because although they were presented, they were presented in different formats and with different actors so it didn’t feel cohesive.

[@fedeu]

@@HylianDrew94 Oh ok, yeah, maybe the age restriction I set was unnecesary. And yes, the MCU built it's universe movie by movie, so it was 10 years ahead of DC when they finally assembled a team. But I meant to say that many of this DC characters were already known to older people because of cartoons, movies and pop culture. So DC kinda thought that they could skip the individual movies and go straight to the team. Which could have been a good idea, if the story was compelling enough, which it wasn't. Guardians of the galaxy is a movie with a team of unknowns, and it does work, because the story and the characters are better written.

[@HylianDrew94]

@@fedeu Well put! I see where you’re coming from. Guardians of the Galaxy is a great example of that. I’ve been meaning to watch the Snyder Cut of Justice League as I’ve heard the extra content paints a better story.

[@mellomods]

Wow. Just wow. Each of you (Fede U included) had an argument that ultimately ended in a compromise. Unheard of by today's standards. I wish things like this were as common as this exchange.

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

I love how avengers endgame answers this discussion... tony has grown to the point where he does make the sacrifice play, and steve has grown to the point he does make the selfish choice

[@Eliteish]

You're half right. Tony makes the sacrifice play to beat Thanos, completing the arc setup for him in that Avengers scene the video referenced. The resolution to Steve's arc from that scene is when he lifts Mjolnir during the Thanos fight, proving that "everything special about him" didn't come from a bottle, as Tony says.

[@terrorazeing]

@@Eliteish 👈🏻 He's right. Plus, can't remember anymore who actually said it in the past MCU films, but I somehow remember someone telling Steve to go get a life, reason why he did what he did in the end of Endgame.

[@elsaboullier3298]

@@terrorazeing It was Peggy who said it to him in Captain America The Winter Soldier

[@graddeos]

​@@Eliteish Its exactly what Dr Erskin said. "My formula amplifies a person's "insides", which means good becomes better and bad becomes worse". So everything special about Steve Rogers just got amplified by that bottle. He was a good man, the bottle made him better. Sure he made mistakes along the way, crucial mistakes but thats because hes only human and those mistakes were written in a way to emphasize his humanity.

[@fridalinnea9711]

@@elsaboullier3298 no it was tony

[@Jarednet1]

Flash: "What are your superpowers again?" Batman: "I am rich." VS Captain America: "Big man in a suit of armour. Take that off, what are you?" Tony Stark: "Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist." We can see who has better writing.

[@travisforsonm1228]

Definitely

[@senbonzakurakageyoshi662]

But also similar

[@Jarednet1]

@@senbonzakurakageyoshi662 too similar

[@tomsiebert155]

Lol it’s the same guy 🤣

[@Jarednet1]

@@tomsiebert155 Same guy with the same lines

[@acrobat89]

That was literally the smoothest transition into a commercial I've ever seen. You actually got me to watch like the first 10 seconds of it before fast forwarding. Props.

[@keepthetrash]

This video had by far the BEST ad transition because it was perfectly relevant! Well done 👏🏽

[@AdrianEN]

I laughed so hard when you went through the similarities between the two films, I can’t believe I never realised how identical they both are

[@zangetsuee]

riiiiight ? we dont notice all these when we watch the movies. it stands to prove how Good Ryan is.

[@rhetiq9989]

Well that’s Whedon for ya

[@Realmfaker]

Well, lot's of them were lies or worded in a way so it sounded like they are more similair then ghey actually are. Justice League is not that good of a movie, but it a lot different except a team up superhero movie that introduces new ones and aliens attack the earth.

[@josephtorres7332]

@@AxxLAfriku are u okay?

[@thundererswrath2185]

You mean they’re similar because, as usual, DC is nothing but a copycat taking the crumbs MARVEL drops and shamelessly trying to bake a cake from them. It’s been going on for decades. From the 1960s, DC has been a copycat wannabe. Why did Warner HAVE to higher Joss Whedon. There are many other directors. WHY did it HAVE to be the Avengers director? Why did DC HAVE to get Daredevil’s writer (Frank Miller) to make Batman popular in the late 70s and 80s??? Why did OMAC project come out directly after Operation: Zero Tolerance in the 90s??? The “Judas Contract” comes out in response to the mother of all comic stories and female centric “Dark Phoenix” saga??? Just some evidence. Inspiration is one thing. Blatant rip offs are just DCs trademark.

[@wyglaffe]

When Superman showed up for the final fight, after the 'buildup', he threw 3 punches then asked Batman what to do and no one cared. When Thor showed up in Wakanda in Infinity War, people stood up and cheered in the theater.

[@meta1152]

That part as well as when Captain America's team+beard shows up to help Wanda and Vision.

[@kakyoindonut3213]

@@meta1152 yeah that scene is the best, until they lose

[@phabiorules]

To be fair, they had a decade's worth of build up to that moment.

[@effimero7035]

@@phabiorules right? That's my point. Even if snyder's cut is a better movie, it's never gonna be the same feeling, because there's no build up.

[@rosegold5720]

wait hold on don't you mean bucky in wakanda at the end of infinity war

[@Tremori_A]

Your comparison of both movies on the first 2 min of the video makes me feel ALOT better for the story I'm myself am making. I tend give myself a hard time when I can't find something truly unique and new.

[@FishtownRec]

Omg I feel like an absolute jackass not realizing the striking similarities between these two films simply due to the fact one is fun, interesting, a joy to watch, and exciting, while the other is a powder-keg dumpster fire about to explode.

[@jasonl6130]

Basically the Avengers makes you care about the characters and invested in their stories. Justice League rushes to get to the next action scene.

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

Justice league is like a hero movie made by an alien who has only heard of superhero movies from people who do market testing.

[@JoVi24]

Justice league never had a chance to develop, thanks to Geoff johns, he rushed everything Snyder did and ruined the whole cut. A reason why fisher spoke up about his toxic environmental production. Snyder's version will be so much better.

[@EdGeLV]

But the action wasnt even good, im trying to think of positives but in all aspects justice league was a bad movie, doesnt even need to be compared to avengers

[@JoVi24]

@@EdGeLV gonna pin this post when ZS Cut JL comes out people will rave about it.

[@topglobalno.1noob666]

Wooow woooooo wooo wait hold on

[@jahanas22]

To me, DC should’ve fleshed out the characters first before they had a Justice League movie. They rushed things to try to keep up with Marvel.

[@ambershoba]

Exactly DC introduced some of their characters in a movie where they assemble instead of introducing everybody first so they we can see each person's set of skills and what and how they can all fight together. In Marvel only Hawkeye isn't introduced but we quickly see his skills.

[@killermakd2015]

@@ambershoba lmao he s getting one so late...prolly not even him but his daughter apparently.....

[@ambershoba]

@@killermakd2015 but we know about him we’ve seen a bit of his life and seen him fight

[@killermakd2015]

@@ambershoba yeah yeah...but getting me? we got black widow standalone too right? thats what i meant

[@ambershoba]

@Naomi Burgess You’re right, so when they assembled we had been introduced to all of them

[@XeroBuster]

I've never looked at that scene with that context thank you Doug I like the scene more because of your take on it

[@jenhaze5002]

I don’t think I’ve seen a more seamless ad transition, nor a more compelling reason to leave a comment. This man has KZbin figured out. A++

[@RandomLBS]

Why Avengers Worked and Justice League Didn’t ANSWER: Avengers is about about 20 different movies that took time to develop characters. whereas Justice League was a dark dreary cluster fuck with no solid foundation that was rushed to catch up with 12 yrs worth of Avengers movies

[@antona.1327]

Was Katty Perry your math teacher in school? Because your numbers don't add up. When The Avengers came out, there were five movies preceeding it, one of which was a box office failure and starred a completely different actor in the role that was recast for The Avengers. And I also fail to see where exactly Justice League was "dark and dreary". It was the complete opposite of that. It was family-friendly as family-friendly PG-13 can get.

[@code_breaker3756]

@@antona.1327 well i mean they were just starting out so those 5 movies wouldnt be golden at first and also i thought only the Incredible hulk movie was bad? i mean Iron man 1 was good at least right?

[@starlabratcherflannigan1798]

You are so right I couldn't have said it better myself DC cannot make up its mind on how many Batmans they have, they have yet to tie together the jokers its a big waste of time

[@starlabratcherflannigan1798]

@@antona.1327 lamo 1 multiple character as opposed to how many Batman's do they have again and Jokers and they have yet to make sense out of all of them

[@kissadev.]

When Avengers came out there were... 5 movies?? When Justice League came out there were... 3? 4?? Almost the same number.

[@avanishdutta2658]

As a team, trust is a must. Avengers, in the beginning, was not a team, but it became one. And then it became a family. A MARVELous family.

[@macoady]

Stop 😂

[@stephenvance6548]

Bro

[@BoyMadeOfCardBoard]

I cant

[@matthewlee3415]

AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO U SAID MARVELOUS

[@jaredleto9768]

I'm watching this video while playing hitman 3, hello bald guy

[@gaggibohne8639]

perfectly edited!! well done:)

[@rachelhoward1580]

Marvel always leaves Easter eggs that you don't realize are there until almost 4 movies later. Which quite honestly makes it so I want and need to see each movie more than once. They have so many layers it's mind boggling. They plan ahead. It's not just make 1 movie at a time. Its art and complex

[@NAKABART69]

That was THE smoothest transition into a sponsor that I've EVER seen!!

[@RiderGeats]

Yeah, it's so good that he made me watch it and not skip it.

[@nabongobong9155]

IKR!!! DIDNT SEE IT COMING

[@JoseTorres-dl3kh]

That WAS slick

[@mykaratejournal2120]

hell yeah 😈

[@ccff6161]

@@RiderGeats Still skipped it!

[@dutchvanderlin2205]

Avengers: 10 years prep time JL: 10 months rushed time.

[@anthonycannet1305]

JL was probably trying to piggyback on the existing cartoons and movies made of the characters. What Marvel did was make solo movies for each of their big characters before avengers which all hinted at avengers then used those movies as backstory for the avengers instead of any pre-existing cartoons or movies. The movies before avengers were practically written to set up avengers while Justice League tried to use the old batman and superman movies asa backstory for Batman v Superman which was backstory for JL. Where Avengers planned for 10 years specifically with this goal in mind, JL tried to shortcut those ten years by using the last 50 years of existing material which wasn't written for the purpose of setting up the ensemble movie. That's why it seems like JL was rushed even though they had more pre-existing setup material, the material wasn't setting up anything...

[@avisian8063]

@@anthonycannet1305 marvel also has 50 years of the same kind of material so they didn't have more set up

[@anthonycannet1305]

@@avisian8063 Yes marvel had the same amount of material to prepare for avengers but instead of using that as background for the movie, they used it as source material to make each of the solo films that were then used as background for the avengers movie. JL only made movies to set up JL for characters that didn't already have movies, and not even all of them at that. Not everyone has seen the old cartoons or read the comics so introducing the flash and cyborg to them now with no context could be confusing (When marvel did it, the 'new' characters had already made appearances in other films and didnt have any super powers, so even without solo films they werent new). Then they also included characters like batman and superman which, aside from batman v superman, didn't get new movies to set up for JL. They only made solo films for some of the characters (Wonder Woman and Aquaman) when they should've made at least one movie for each of the characters. That would've set up the audience to recognize the actors, understand their powers, and already know their backstory before the movie started. Instead of establishing backstory for half the characters at the start of the film, they could've made references to them like in avengers. TL;DR Yes justice league was rushed but marvel didn't rely entirely on their older material for the ensemble film, they made solo films to prep the audience while JL assumed teyh already knew things

[@avisian8063]

@@anthonycannet1305 I don't really follow your train of thought tbh. Seemed you were saying they weren't rushed, but actually you are saying they were rushed. Yeah, DC seems to just assume people know their characters and has done very little to set them up. I agree.

[@anthonycannet1305]

@@avisian8063 Im explaining the difference between marvel and DC to highlight the reasons the JL movie feels rushed compared to Avengers

[@nicolaspierre-louis8119]

I agree with what you’re saying. Wow! I was thinking the exact same thing you were saying when I saw the justice league movie. All plot, no story. No drama. And that’s what you go to see a movie for his drama

[@blackkyle1898]

I totally agree with Doug! Everything he said was exact and right on! Y'all should listen to him more often!

[@artificialgoodness]

I feel like marvel really brings out the meaning of "teamwork". Like, even though thor is a literal god, captain america is the "leader". They always work together and really emphasize the fact that none of them are enough, alone. Meanwhile, dc is just like "Superman, kill him."

[@Chief_Leonard]

Superman are op in JL

[@nono-ch8oy]

Yeah because the ancient god not being able to one shot the bad guy makes total sense. Thor kinda sucks.

[@pelotudo4717]

​@@nono-ch8oy Thor is not a god in the MCU. Asgardians are a different species and humans just happen to call them gods. Even then, Thor is arguably the most powerful avenger, maybe second only to Captain Marvel, but both of them have limitations and can fail. If it wasn't this way it would be just like OP said, "Thor, kill him"

[@alexb9566]

This is DCs main problem. Superman is just to powerful and simplistic. The plot always has to be some variation of bad guys using cryptonite to make Superman vulnerable.

[@mhicorivera7802]

if they add sentry then they their own superman but that guy is unstable as hulk

[@thomaschristopherwhite9043]

I think we take for granted how much a work of genius the first Avengers was.

[@childeaterieatkidz4208]

Fr still my favorite marvel movie haha

[@izs6946]

we take MCU for granted. In a world where most franchise movies lost their way as they make more sequels (F&F, Cars, DCEU, Star Wars, and even Harry Potter, and many more), MCU managed to stay relatively consistent with their characters and their own arcs, have compelling stories most of the time and when it comes to their weakest movies, they still manage to be decent and watchable.

[@themadafaka6839]

Thank U.

[@lunajoyxiv]

Joss should’ve done all avenger films. He wouldn’t have ruined it at the end like the Russo bros did 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@themadafaka6839]

@@lunajoyxiv ur in the minority on that line of thinking. Sides...I don't blame joss to bow out and marvel to get the Russos... everything's just got much much bigger for just ONE MAN to do it all. Remember..aside from the Russos being TWO PEOPLE directing..they also got two WRITERS to help em out in painting on those big ass canvases of infinity war and endgame. Joss, as brilliant as he is..just got overwhelmed by it all...it showed in Age of Ultron. I really like that movie..but, it's nowhere near the first one..and it's understandable. The plate just got a whole lot bigger by AoU. It WOULD take a TEAM of people to take on the much bigger stories, post AoU. I wish Joss had done the Captain Marvel movie tho... He would've made that movie as one of the best SOLO mcu flicks..alongside iron man, Winter soldier & black panther.

[@citizenearth71]

You're breakdown was Perfection! Doug was awesome too.

[@landline00]

Brilliant and insightful analysis 🧐

[@golfgod6243]

My biggest problems with justice league and the DC movies in general is that they put Superman on a pedestal far above the other heroes. Superman is basically the savior of all, has only one weakness, Lois lane once again is the only one that can tame him when he wakes up, he easily beats Stepenwolf even tho he is supposed to be at max power . I always enjoyed Superman growing up but they have made him the central character of justice league. The Avengers did a much better job highlighting each individual characters strengths and weakness.

[@Pixelblurr]

This! Superman needs to be rewritten to have STRICT limits to his strength again. With other characters that have similar powers but actual weaknesses (Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman) why have Superman other than he's DCs posterboy. I think the best thing DC can do at this point is show off other characters. Let's get a Zatanna and Constantine movie going that leads into a Batman WITHOUT Joker/2Face/Riddler.

[@godzilla7779]

Lol he's gonna get beat to shit by darkseid 😂 and Lois gets turned into a bacon 🥓

[@museruse1]

This is only because DC were more realistic (within the bounds of sueprhero mythology) about their heroes. If it doesn't make for a more enjoyable story, it's a problem with the audience.

[@golfgod6243]

@@museruse1 I believe it’s actually the opposite , especially within the comic Books . Marvel has explained each hero’s powers and how they were acquired , Many of DC heroes were born with their powers and the only explanation attributed was that they are aliens or gods / demigods.

[@museruse1]

@@golfgod6243 Yeah, this is true, many heroes in Marvel acquired their powers rather than be born with them, and it was actually quite fulfilling to follow that journey. In DC too, Batman, Flash, Green Lantern, Cyborg, etc acquired their powers. Superman was born a normal kid on Krypton and was powerful as a result of being sent to another planet. Wonder woman trained, made mistakes and learnt before becoming 'The' Wonder Woman (a problem I have with 1984 is that they left out this arc, I agree) and characters like Aquaman and the Martian Manhunter were probably born with their powers. I agree that something like Captain America's whole story arc with Bucky is stunningly beautiful, but similarly, the lore around The Joker and Two Face etc. in DC doesn't fall short of anything.

[@sheilaapalisok4303]

This is literally "hey can i copy your homework" "sure but dont make is obvious you copied"

[@volt3091]

spot on man

[@The_Mister_A1533]

Joss Whedon copied himself

[@angelopinheiro3966]

and still fail

[@edgemaxxer1573]

aka me

[@cringeaholic4082]

That "is" troubles me. Oh god, I feel old

[@caity_strophic]

your idea with Justice league was LITERALLY WAT I WAS THINKING!! when u wear breaking down the justice league scene, i thought of another way that they couldve done that scene, which involved using the villain and resurrecting superman for his own benefit. it kinda reminds me of how Elektra died but then got resurrected in Daredevil.

[@coppulor6500]

the comparisons of the two movies was amazing!

[@hathatsfunny1911]

Marvel: actually creating an understandable and a legendary timeline DC: here's a bunch of heroes, make them fck around until superman comes and save the day

[@notvex3987]

The fact that this is so accurate..

[@masterdevoe2519]

Joss Whedon made both the movies

[@FP194]

@@masterdevoe2519 Joss Whedon came in to finish after Snyder left The Studio then took over and you see the results DC needs to be it’s own studio like marvel

[@superkamiguru6856]

Honestly, the only DCEU films I truly enjoyed were Wonderwoman, Shazam!, and Joker. I Thought Suicide Squad wasn't bad nor good; it was decent imo.

[@ManorsPillarAdSarft6Gp]

snyder cut is coming it will change

[@Jorjia7]

this dude just wrote justice league better than the actual movie, in 15 minutes

[@BeeeepBoooop]

I NEED TO SEE THIS VERSION!!!

[@play-fool]

literally his idea immediately made me emotional and i havent seen a SINGLE DC movie. not one. its both embarrassing for the filmmakers that as a whole production they couldnt come up with better but like on the other hand, hire this man?????

[@TheFroneyZone]

actually he did it in just 5mins and 25secs!!! : ) His awesome "rewrite" starts right at the 12min mark - so hello peeps @ScreenCrush ...send Ryan to Hollywood asap to hook up with any and all WarnerBros directors ; )

[@darkerknight7010]

Less than that. Like 3 min. Lol.

[@TimoRutanen]

I bet he'd thought about it for a long time though, and not just 15 minutes. Both movies came out years ago after all.

[@icantfeelmylegs9329]

beautiful insight Doug

[@stlchucko]

The Avengers was carefully planned in advance with multiple individual movies to set up the group. A lot of groundwork was laid. Nearly all the characters were introduced prior. The DCU was rushed. Half the Justice League was introduced in the movie (Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman). Of the remaining 3, Superman was the only character introduced into the DCU with a solo film (Batman and Wonder Woman being introduced in BvS), with Wonder Woman having a solo film between BvS and JL.

[@timmyhkvt]

Even more than that, the Avengers starts with six people: Cap, Iron Man, Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Thor. Four of these people need some serious explanation, each getting their own movie, and two not so much - IM2 was enough to give us Widow's deal, and Hawkeye's few scenes in Thor were similarly pretty adequate. Five steps leading into the teamup, four and a half if you discount Hulk's turn being removed from the MCU. Meanwhile, DC gets a grand total of three movies before they rush in, and they waste two of them on reintroducing characters who've been in the public eye for decades - not to mention killing one of them. So three weird-ass metahumans need time in this movie to show who they are and what they do, in addition to resurrecting Superman. Justice League got rushed, and as a consequence has to be super-long or not have time for an actual plot.

[@vluessky]

I didn’t know they were SO similar because the difference in their impact is huge.

[@dsbmitchell]

Agreed. I had absolutely no clue that there were so many similarities! And yes, now that I know that, the difference in how I feel about these two films becomes even more evident

[@thetruth72667]

Yea I was definitely more & more shocked when he kept going with the similarities lol!! The movies are so similar & so beyond completely different! I've always preferred Marvel over D.C. cause Spider-Man is my all time favorite but I do love some D.C. Characters & hope they do get back on the right course. It would be even better if both factions were equally great cause it's better for us. Rambling a lil sorry lol

[@jocelyn9744]

FOR REAL IM SHOOK

[@user-vv5ju3fj1p]

@@thetruth72667 Mad respect to another Spider-man lover.

[@ricardocarbajal19]

They’re being extremely selective lol. You can analyze any 2 movies from completely different genres and put them under a microscope and find things that are similar to shape the narrative they want to push. Ofc it helps that they’re both superhero movies but still, if you step back they’re very different.

[@ares123olive]

Marvel never fails me when it comes to easter eggs, connecting the dots and mind blowing stories, even the side characters we saw on previous movie plays important role on the future Marvel movies

[@kyvesmith9092]

The college student in incredible hulk( 2008) is now peter parkers teacher, mr harrington Crazy

[@pigglesgoomshby7249]

And they’re gonna start utilizing more and more old side characters and mixing them with new ones if WandaVision is any indication

[@DayFlounder]

Agreed! Like brock rumlow

[@elizabethw7490]

yes like jimmy woo in wandavision

[@sachinrawat1012]

@@kyvesmith9092 and the principal is the grandson of one of the captain's howling commandos, speaking of captain, quill's grandma got an autograph from him

[@kalebgetoffit3529]

I’ve never noticed the warriors poster in the background before. Very cool I also have one hanging in my room.

[@brettharrison8280]

Wow! I never thought of those parallels.

[@user-N20]

That beginning made my bones uncomfortable. Now on to how they're different because the MCU actually gave their characters deep and meaningful backstories that made us extremely invested not only in each of them as heroes, but as people too.

[@pandroidgaxie]

I liked Avengers better for a simple reason: they are new to me. Every normie has seen tons of Superman and Batman over the years, from George Reeves to Christopher Reeve, from Adam West to Michael Keaton, PLUS all of the animated series and comics. I never even HEARD of Iron Man before the movie. Hulk is a special case, with years of Bill Bixby on TV. But Capt America is just a name from yesteryear's comics to me, like Flash Gordon. Thor and Loki are from the myth. Never heard of Hawkeye and Black Widow. The Avengers are NEW shit to me, whereas the comic book Superman is dead no wait he's alive in the next issue nonsense has been tiresome for years. DC has to *overcome* the long history of their tired old characters everytime they make a movie, and you ALWAYS wonder if it will be boring and stupid.

[@w1z4rd9]

@Scorpiono Productions Sadly the general public didn’t see it that way 🤣

[@rcm5899]

​@Scorpiono Productions I would disagree. My brothers and I are Marvel fans, but we grew up watching a lot of the DC animated series, different iterations of Superman and Batman shows, Wonder Woman, and The Flash. I go back to even Ultra Boy and Mater Eater Lad in the comics. And, by the way, Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman were known by a lot more people than Thor and Iron Man before the movies became popular. In fact, I never really liked Iron man or Captain America growing up. Thor was marginal. I still watch animated DC movies to this day and enjoy many of them. The Flashpoint Paradox is one of my favorites. DC owned (and in my opinion still owns) the small screen. However, Marvel has done a much better job on the big screen. The stories are better crafted, better plotted, and acted. Also, the Avengers seem to be about how we can overcome our difference and work together. TJL seems to be about how can we ressurect SM. Let's face it, SM can do it all by himself. He and WW are essentially gods. In fact, according to one of the animated movies, Batman hasn't figured out a weakness for WW. The Avengers are made up of humans and people with failings. Even the one God, Thor, is not the same without his hammer. Iron Man can put up a fight against Thor, so can CA. However, it's likely they'd lose. Superman can beat all of them by himself, unless they have kryptonite. The Avengers all have failings, whether its rage, a piece of shrapnel moving toward a person's heart, guilt, or just being human. I think that's one of the things missing from TJL. Another thing is this, since the characters from Avengers weren't as well known. they introduced them little by little. You're right. People knew about Spider man (animated series, and tv shows), but before the movies, far more people knew about Superman and Batman. Those two characters alone have had far more iterations on both the small screen and the large screen than any marvel character before the whole MCU really came together. One las thing: It's not a Marvel vs. DC fan thing. I've heard people say that from time to time. Many people who are marvel fans loved Christoper Nolans trilogy. We also watched and loved some of the Tim Burton Batman films. Many of us grew up watching Superman or Lynda Carter as Wonder Woman. I don't hate DC. I just don't really think the movies are as good as many of the Marvel Movies. Sorry for the dissertation. Be well.

[@queenofnevers6990]

The thing is... The Avengers work even without the backstories. I only saw Thor before the Avengers, yet it was totally enjoyable, as the characters are distinguished, clear, and well... They are characters (a bit simplified for particular reason), not a bunch of brooding cardboards. Sups had a solo movie, Bats... Sort of had. Yet his appearance made like zero emotional impact.

[@lordbanana8449]

@@queenofnevers6990 I aspecially disliked the Thor Movies, because of the bad plot telling. The Sidecharacters were simply not enjoyable. They told the loki part in a good way, which was needed for the later movies, but Jane Foster and his War Buddies, boy these characters could have been left out. No difference to the story line. But Marvel did make a movie, however bad it was, for almost all of their characters. DC didn't invest in the Story telling and proper Introduction of their characters. Superman and Wonderwoman were the only characters properly introduced and Aquaman got his introduction later on. I didn't like the Flash interpretation. His character simply wouldn't fit and was really pale compared to the comic series or even the TV-Version. They simply rushed the whole thing, because Marvel started the whole "Hero Hipe" early, and they wanted in on the money wave. Now I have seen all those movies, because I am a big fan of the DC comic series on TV. The superman Movie was really good in my opinion, but BvS was really bad story telling, Justic League was even worse. Maybe the snider cut might make the Justice league a little more watch-worthy, maybe. And I also have to watch the uncut version BatVSup movie. Kind regards.

[@GiveMeYoSammich]

To put it simple, marvel gave us about 4-5 years of charecter development before the first avengers happened and 11 years before endgame so we were all invested in these characters that we understood on a deep level through their individual movies, DC just didn't do that so we're not interested or invested like in marvel movies

[@sithlord1051]

Bingo! 100% spot-on.

[@derek.seaborn]

Indeed, this is real reason. The scene discussed in this video doesn’t make it any better, but it’s the lack of relationship between the characters and the audience. Same thing happened with Eternals.

[@ChunkyCoffee]

I disagree with this assessment because it assumes the characters would be relatable by any means if they had gotten movies prior to Justice League, which they wouldn't be. Zack Snyder made sure of it. The character with the most material in the "DCEU" prior to Justice League was Superman, and he was the most unrelatable boring gritty character and I gave 0 shits about him just like the rest of the league. When he died in BVS I doubt anyone actually cared, for one he was completely unrelatable, and for the other we all knew he wasn't going to stay dead. His death was cheap and unnecessary in the grand scheme of things and although I cannot read his mind but it feels blatantly obvious that killing off Superman served only 2 purposes for Snyder: cheap shock value, and to give him a reason to fight the other members of the Justice League and beat the shit out of them, so Snyder can further establish his power level and make him even more of a god.

[@daneflynn4979]

Nailed it totally mate. Exactly what I was alluding to in comments above.

[@laveenr]

I can't relate to flash and cyborg, they were little weird, out of proportion.

[@ThugLifeModafocah]

What a very good analysis and suggestions.

[@FictionalHunter]

Always a fan of both of them. Im looking forward to have them coexist somehow as multiverse exist.

[@AutoMcGaming]

Avengers : We do this together Justice league : We need Superman

[@Lost_in_madness]

Oh yeah

[@lordqwertythepyromancer3458]

I feel like you're only half right there. The Avengers do have a Superman equivalent, Disney just did a good job of nerfing him so that the other Avengers get some screen time

[@brandone.5106]

Snyder cut: we do this together

[@kevinmoore8780]

I loved the Avengers but they were clear that they "had a Hulk". Hulk was considered as important as Superman.

[@CLRZah]

Kevin Moore no they’re referring to captain marvel. the hulk is not in any way a superman figure for marvel

[@blandpotato545]

I love how every character has a parallel between the two and then there’s just hawkeye

[@Gremlord1103]

He's not like the others because he's the only one that doesn't have powers or technology that's to advanced.

[@leesasuki]

he is just an overall good side character that could fill in any of the moment which is great since I really love seeing that character on scene (like in the what if...?)

[@oreomanscookiesmilk7132]

Cries in Green Arrow.

[@mrsalty1019]

He was the only one that avoided Scarlet Witch.

[@titheproven954]

He is arguably the only stable and normal guy on the team. It take EVERY MOVIE to make a pay-off for him in End Game. His going coo coo and the MOST off the rails in the wake of everything and going serial killer only to not be allowed to sacrifice himself by the only person who worked the hardest to KEEP things together.

[@amgineco]

I LOVE Doug..... thought the analysis was very insightful!!

[@MrGeo-EmitFodrol]

Love your video store setup...

[@JakeHowlHero]

Me looking at the thumbnail. Thinking "I can't even remember the main villain in Justice league"

[@THEBIGGAME683]

Yeah! Joss is awsome!

[@lunaalvera2350]

Oh yeah!! When I was reading your comment it got me confused too lol or I just have bad memory XD

[@hydrolito]

Stepphenwolf was main villain in Justice League.

[@mcirian8767]

Wait who's the villain?

[@karri17]

I don't mean to laugh but that's so sad😂😂😂😂

[@caloffee]

My favourite moment in the arguing scene is right after the engine gets blown. Tony and steve both kind of fall over, and even though they were literally to the point of wanting to kill the other a second ago, steve still helps tony up and I just think that's beautiful

[@THEBIGGAME683]

L

[@johnsexton4352]

Steve: put on the suit (Let's go a few rounds) 3 sec later* Steve: put on the suit! (I'm going to need your help)

[@TheBaBaTV]

It’s just Steve’s genuine good nature, this is why he was chosen by the Doc to receive the super serum since It would enhance every quality of him, and there’s no bad qualities about Steve.

[@miguelrodriguez4526]

LOVE THIS CHANNEL. GREAT SEGWAY TO INTRODUCING YOUR SPONSOR. LOL'D ON THAT.

[@elryano2384]

Cheers Doug, very ambitious of you to say

[@PauliChromatic]

Marvel's pro's: 1. Prolific writers. 2. Vibrant and colorful storyline. 3. Clear timeline 4. Acting spontaneous. NOT forced. 5. Intriguing origin stories of superheroes. 6. Characters equipped with profound biography. Audiences can relate. 7. Unparalleled teamwork. 8. Storyline has a lot of substances and elements that make the audiences ask for more. “No amount of money ever bought a second of time.” -Tony Stark "But what is grief, if not love persevering." -Vision "We never lose our demons, Mordo. We only learn to live above them." -The Ancient One “You’re right. I’m only human.” -Captain Marvel “You can’t destroy power. All you can do is make sure it is in right hands.” -Hank Pym “Given the chance and given your power, I’d bring my mom back. I know I would.” -Monica “You are my sadness and my hope. But mostly you are my love.” -Wanda "He may have been your father, boy, but he wasn't your daddy." -Yondu “We won Mr. Stark. We won.” -Spider-Man “I don’t judge people on their worst mistakes.” -Black Widow

[@FR-sz5uu]

"ahh junior, you're gonna break your old man's heart"

[@Tomi-berry]

“Give this man a shield”

[@anglenesevillano6751]

"I am Groot"

[@Tomi-berry]

@RS - 04MR 838978 McClure PS you should’ve gone..f-for the h-hheaddddd

[@Tomi-berry]

@RS - 04MR 838978 McClure PS “I don’t even know who you are..”

[@quatrinavr8704]

To this day, that argument scene in Avengers makes me squirm. It just makes the audience feel so uncomfortable, like you’re in the middle of the tension

[@Ironfangzu]

Yes but it gave the Avengers more substance. You can see their motivation, their egos, their anger. With the Justice League, nothing matters until Superman shows up, since the other heroes might as well be member of a barbershop quartet for all the success they had on their own.

[@mattwho81]

That means it worked. You should be uncomfortable.

[@redplanet2720]

My favourite part was when Bruce Banner starts getting a little angry and Nick Fury says "YOU need to calm down" and you can really see that he's scared. That tension is palpable.

[@trankia1224]

I will take it! ...I will take the ring to Mordor.

[@ObscurityIsBest]

@@trankia1224: You have my sword. And you have my bow! And MY axe.

[@kamanyekuakauari8636]

That scenario where Superman is brought back by Steppenwolf to work for Darksied is the coolest thing I've heard this year!

[@Diachron]

11:50. Bruce's contingency is Lois Lane (AKA "the big guns", as in telling Alfred to have the big guns ready, and then to bring them in when things go sideways) Nice side-by-side scene comparison BTW.

[@laurentucker5444]

The way he analyzes these movies made me realize I am too stupid to notice any of this stuff

[@ankitsinghnaruka3666]

I share the same feeling. Even in comments, people are placing good theories.

[@ethanalspencer7294]

In the words of the great Harry S. Plinkett, “Now you might notta noticed... *but your brain did*”

[@TheVallin]

Don't feel bad! The stories are designed from a template. Just cause the template is the same, doesn't mean the content has to be. Some films can be made from gold, others from pewter. The important thing is that you enjoyed them and had fun discussing them with others!

[@diogolindo2535]

Well. It takes studying writing. I am developing a tv series ideas (for fun and who knows what may come from that) and I studied how to make it and takes a lot on construction piece by piece. You are lucky, because after studying the industry and understanding the writing I have never watched a series or a movie the same way. 😂

[@beatrizgaspar6697]

Try rewatching movies after youve kinda forgotten them, keeping always an eye out for hints in the setting and dialogue. I find it helpful to already know the major plot lines because that way i have time to gravitate towards the smaller things that are shown.

[@nakurukamura1318]

"We're going to lose but we're going to fight anyway" reminds me of that quarrel in Avengers AoU: "How are we gonna fight it?" "Together" "We'll lose" "We'll do that together too"

[@paradoxboi806]

One of the best scenes in the movie

[@aeliqvr]

Then In Endgame: "I Said We'd Lose, You Said We'll Do That Together Too." "Well Guess What Cap? We Lost. And You Were'nt There."

[@LenaMuNZ]

@@aeliqvr i was sad that the comment ended there but it felt nice as i saw your comment xD thanks for completing it

[@aeliqvr]

@@LenaMuNZ yw!

[@Yusuf1654]

@@aeliqvr I mean iron Man litterely flew an alien ship into space. Did he think cap would follow him?

[@danielmedela8725]

You forgot one similarity: an important person near the heroes dies, killed by the main bad guy in person: Cyborg´s dad vs Phil Coulson.

[@literallyme.realmp4]

Ryan seems like the nicest guy around

[@mjsupport78]

Also Avengers had motivation, Coulson's death. Nick told Avengers that Coulson died coz heroes he looked upto (cap) failed to work as a team. That Coulson's blood is on their hands. Which made Avengers realise of the consequences if they fail to act as a team. That kind of theme carried on with all Avengers movies. Aou, civil war, infinity war.

[@yurikatana8689]

He's not dead xD

[@mjsupport78]

@@yurikatana8689 yup but Avengers didn't know

[@everything6582]

@@yurikatana8689 Only because Tahiti is a magical place. And he did die at the end of AOS Season 5. (Clark Gregg returned as Coulson's Doppelganger in S6 and Coulson android in S7.)

[@gavintjames1989]

@@everything6582 thanks for the spoiler 😂😂

[@manojkumarvavilapalli3192]

Even though Avengers is better than justice league

[@diharahossain1814]

I agree with every point made about how marvel humanized the "superhuman" characters and DC didn't. Another noteworthy point is the evident chemistry between the actors in Marvel that is lacking in DC.

[@nohalorequired8652]

Yeah Marvel went to great lengths to make sure they chose the right directors and cast the right actors.

[@kaberas.coldvoid4845]

This is why I like Marvel better then DC. Marvel's most popular heros are regular humans given great power and great resposibility. DC heros (besides the bat themed one) are mainly aliens or nonhuman beings that protect earth. I do like Doom Patrol from DC that focus more on human heros.

[@PeteScete]

@@kaberas.coldvoid4845 it show you know next to nothing about fan favourites in dc as apart from aquamarine, superman , wonder woman and supergirl fout of the top 10 the rest are all human

[@stahppls2293]

@@nohalorequired8652 the Marvel casting directors are the best in the business

[@mayotango1317]

@@kaberas.coldvoid4845 ¿Really? Doom Patrol is a team of weirdos.

[@tonyfknb3896]

I've seen Avengers like 20 times and when he mentioned the two scene I knew immediately he was first talked about the New York seen and when he said it's not the main seen you talk about I knew immediately he was talking about the Helicarrier when they were fighting I have that movie and I've watched it easily 20 or more times and then when it was on Netflix I watched it religiously to

[@shubhankarrakshit9311]

I completely agree with Doug's analysis 👍👍

[@kimimatias1096]

I've watched and will continue to rewatch the Avengers / MCU films for many years. I'll introduce my kids to them, from Hulk all way to Endgame..it's just so iconic

[@kyrakramer7044]

i might leave hulk out, but i agree

[@kimimatias1096]

@@kyrakramer7044 lol

[@digitool5944]

Iron Man was first though, Hulk was the second one

[@karinawomack1476]

Exept Marvel copied DC completely.

[@stea2321]

all the way to endgame only? what about black widow and the other new mcu movies coming out..

[@preuisch8171]

"Put on the suit" "Yep" that scene makes me laugh everytime

[@nabieladrian]

Crazy to think that it took decades of MCU for that line to works...

[@sabtuxahad]

@@nabieladrian wat

[@CryptidsRoost]

wow Wow WOW!! I never realised there were sooo many similarities. Even in the clips you can see them, not just in the write-up/script either

[@lmntsgames3848]

Always loved that Fant-Four-Stic thing 🤣🤣

[@lavp2064]

Are we just gonna ignore the fact that he looked for justice league on disney plus?

[@clintsayshi]

nah he just wanted to sneak in the VPN promo

[@thinksoflegends4517]

he spelled thor wrong and said Jl is owned by disney

[@moviekagyan4896]

lol

[@merijn4440]

And the fact that he wanted to fly to the UK over the pacific ocean lol (7:49)

[@sureshtvmala]

The simplest reason is DC didn't build their characters like Marvel did.

[@Jessees902]

10000000% this

[@theonlyapexlegends5708]

This is the most obvious - years of foreplay before climax.

[@herculesbelle466]

My thoughts exactly.

[@Jessees902]

@Josh Bentley It's sad they were in to big of a hurry playing catch up

[@dustin8973]

And or joss didn’t care anywhere NEAR the same way he did for avengers.

[@absolutelynothingtoseehere]

insightful commentary

[@BeeeHonest]

Damn, you are so logical and correct.

[@joshuaharmon6684]

The main concept that explains why Avengers worked and Justice League didn't, is that all of the Avengers had previously been introduced and most of them already had solo movies. Whereas Justice League took it upon itself to introduce half the cast's personality and capabilities within the movie.

[@ScreenCrush]

I agree 100%

[@ndo533]

This is such a shallow point. It doesnt matter who got a movie first. It matters if the movie is actually good. They only introduced 3 of the characters, not all six. Nothing wrong with half

[@joshuaharmon6684]

@@ndo533 The point wasn't the half. The point was the movie had to introduce us to Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg before they could do anything, using up a lot of run time that could have instead contributed to the main plot.

[@kukuhindustanigamer3663]

@@joshuaharmon6684 but gotg did it in just 1 movie, the point of of comment isn't valid

[@joshuaharmon6684]

@@kukuhindustanigamer3663 You liken Guardians of the Galaxy to Justice League and Avengers? (Which is not only Marvel but also clearly introduced only brand new characters instead of blending new and old while supposed to be focusing on a larger plot) This isn't intended to be an argument. There are many reasons why Justice League wasn't as successful as Avengers. If you don't agree with what I consider "the main reason", that's fine. I'm not trying to convince anyone.

[@heatherteasdale9229]

"And then Bruce just blurs out that he attempted suicide," *giggling* "These are not stable people!"

[@tinyrogue1320]

I yelled when I spotted Ashley Johnson at 2:53 in that Avengers clip!

[@fnoorman]

Wow… you really nailed it!!!!

[@CHRYSALISM]

man, you hit it right on the nose. none of the dc movies have made me feel invested in the characters or their stories. the heroes are only heroes - theyre not human. but marvel has always made their characters feel relatable and human. theyre just like us, and it has made the audience /that/ much more invested in them.

[@Q-TebGamesNL]

Imo the batman and superman movies always show the impact their superhero life has on their 'normal' life but the JL movies just don't.

[@mayotango1317]

Sorry but I"am a not a stupid blonde Thor.

[@RoxDZoro]

Most popular characters in Marvel aren't human. Majority of marvels heros aren't human , they're as human as Dc characters

[@CHRYSALISM]

@@RoxDZoro youre missing the point buddy. marvel heroes FEEL human. they have human flaws, human characteristics, human jokes, human thought processes, human day-to-day problems. the audience can empathize with them more bc they feel much more real.

[@Funknwanker]

@@CHRYSALISM and they are the cause of their own problems. Iron Man creates his enemies. Thor is a dick who made Loki resentful. Hulk made himself and was literally a monster. CA is the only one who didn’t. I love the movies because they are fun but they are as deep as a dried up kiddie pool.

[@sherklokholmes-er4mw]

The camera angle in AVENGER movies are much appealing then JUSTICE LEAGUE .

[@layzhd2753]

true justices league feels like they just set the camera in one place then film it. makes it weird but i still like the movie

[@sailormoon7354]

and the freaking lighting! Jesus DC movies are so visibly dark that it's almost impossible to see everything

[@ValerieJNorse]

@@sailormoon7354 -- Thank you! That was the most striking distinction for me between the scenes. Fancy camera work is nice, but being able to see the characters' expressions? Priceless.

[@chaos1925]

The camera angle in justice league were mostly diana's ass shot.

[@I_AM_NUM_3]

I love that you have a funko of Goliath from Gargoyles.

[@Sdewebb]

I just had a revelation about that Marvel Avengers scene. It reminded me of the Breakfast Club where they're sharing why they were in Detention. Brian, the need talks about how he brought a flare gun to school and was going to off himself but it went off in his locker.

[@ricardo-hc2yb]

I know why avengers is a hit There is Stan lee in almost every one of their movies

[@taco1058]

He was always the best part RIP stan lee

[@shankaka_99]

he was supposed to be in endgame as old steve :/

[@darpyyy8160]

✨ *Tony Stank* ✨

[@sunsetskye483]

There we go

[@misterminutes4504]

@@shankaka_99 What-- 🤧😭

[@ebaugh7320]

DC: hey, can I copy your homework? Marvel: Sure but don't make it too obvious

[@Knightfall8]

the similarities are because joss whedon copied himself

[@mayanksaxena01]

Ummm marvel copied lots of stuff frm DC n m talking about comics

[@Knightfall8]

@@mayanksaxena01 absolutely true, they copy each other so often that it's hard to keep up. but iirc, Thanos was just the diet cola version of darkseid right?

[@mayanksaxena01]

@@Knightfall8 😂😂 tbh the storyline of DC is way better watch any animated movie of DC you will get find stories more interesting then marvel

[@Knightfall8]

@@mayanksaxena01 i prefer star trek over both marvel and dc

[@doggy4070]

DUG! The best part of this video. That is such a cute doggy!!!

[@jimcarey7150]

Glad you verbalized the mindstone's affect on the group. It always frustrates me that it is never outwardly noticed/acknowledged. I'd think Black Widow would have picked up on something being off. Kind of weird how it worked by remote control, or was programmed, to create conflict as we previously saw it used to bring about compliance.

[@frostfire6579]

Wow I can't believe I never realized how important the lab scene is

[@unfoldedperson8737]

So basically Marvel is all about teamwork and DC is just... “come here Superman we need to rely on just you”. That’s pretty sad

[@abelinc9898]

warner bros* the thing that a lot of people forget is that the problem isnt dc and its characters, its the people handling the characters: warner bros.

[@GauravYadav-bf7qj]

Watch Snyder cut, cyborg and flash are much more important, I mean black widow and Hawkeye are pretty useless as well in 1st avengers

[@-GMKirankumar]

@@GauravYadav-bf7qj don't forget that Black Widow Was the one Who Closed the Portal Nd Hawkeye Sent Out Instructions nd Strategies

[@GauravYadav-bf7qj]

@@-GMKirankumar lol anyone could have done that, she was pretty useless, same like Aquaman in JL

[@-GMKirankumar]

@@GauravYadav-bf7qj yea But She Choose to do it

[@ricardodelzealandia6290]

I just spent 15 minutes watching a detailed review of two movies I couldn't care less about. I guess that means you did a good job!

[@archidor1944]

i never realized how incredibly similar these films were.

[@gavintjames1989]

Tony Stark: Shakespeare in the park, doth mother know you weareth her drapes, one of my favourite lines.

[@bullymaguire_005]

"Get lost Squidward" lol

[@shadowling77777]

@@bullymaguire_005 Lmfao forgot about that

[@lychee849]

Steve to Tony: You're not the guy who make sacrifice plays Avengers Endgame: Hohohoho!

[@kedolan4992]

Well, at the time, he wasn't. He had a LOT of growing to do, as a person, in between those movies!

[@Thslentagl]

@@kedolan4992 yep he almost made the sacrifice in Avengers but in Age of ulltron Pietro Sacrafices himself when Tony fucks up

[@lyrad4584]

Tony to Steve: Everything special about you came out of a bottle Avengers Endgame: Mjolnir go whoooossh!!!!

[@vincentagnew3923]

In that same movie he took the missle into the portal, that was a possible 1 way trip SACRIFICE

[@spiritofthewolf1880]

@@kedolan4992 Yup, that’s called character development!

[@giladpallaeon2426]

One of the (imho) most interesting tings about communication in times of internet is the swarm intelligence. No matter what is messed up ... there is always someone with a good ... or in this case a absolutely awesome idea (dark superman). But then again this is only possible when the movie is already finished. Before that point there are production people deciding who is to be cast and who is to direct and who is to write. And when these decisions are poorly made we have something like the DCU.

[@Ghiton1512]

that start was so interesting, i just kept ticking mental boxes in my head, but he made good points about the two movies, thing with the avengers, they had a couple a separate films of the characters like iron man, captain America, hulk and thor, so we kinda got a run through of what they'd be like by themselves, where as with the justice league, we had batman vs superman as the most reference to the movie, other movies followed which kinda made the timeline odd, like aquaman came out right after, 2 wonder woman's came out and now there's a flash movie coming out, we haven't even heard of a cyborg movie yet, which would be him meeting the teen titans or something, so i feel marvel did better planning to do a movie, where as dc were like "dam marvels pumping movies out, let's just release justice league now" mainly we only had animations to go off by with the justice league members and marvel did better by making separate films about the 'main' characters and there for made for a better storyline

[@lowkeyobsessedngl]

simple, the MCU was allowed to grow slowly with it's audience. you don't just drop three big events in one movie and expect the audience to follow.

[@courtneylittles456]

rEaR vIeW fr

[@keyblader2k6]

blame for wb/dc for wanting avengers level profits without any of the work/dedication/patience. also, blame snyder for not realizing how gargauntuan of a task it was for any one person (let alone, a director) and choosing to go through with it instead of pushing to have more set up.

[@ericalexcantero8249]

Another one with the same stupid argument. That ain't a Standard for Storytelling. A writer can tell the story the way he wants since he is the author. He can drop "3 to 4 to 5 big events" whatever he wants IF it fits with what he is telling. By your logic every movie needs to build up his audience before THE movie with each individual character that there is. You see how pointless that argument is?

[@keyblader2k6]

​@@ericalexcantero8249 ok ill bite. most movies dont usually have 6 lead characters in a single movie. while you are correct that isnt a standard for story telling, the fact is the general movie audience isnt familiar with half of this movie's justice league team. sure, they may recognize flash or aquaman but could they tell me their basic origin stories or even their alter ego names without looking it up or someone helping them out? im sure you personally can but the vast majority of them can NOT and thats not even including cyborg. releasing multiple movies prior to the big team up would have given audience much more familiarity with these characters and you wouldnt have to spend so much of the big team up movie building them up and instead focus on the plot itself. introducing those 3 in a single scene from one previous movie, showing off their abilities in videos and not even interacting with the big 3 isnt just lazy and rushed, its boring. at this point, you might be thinking "marvel didnt release a black widow movie or a hawkeye movie before avengers 1." while this is true as well, black widow did have a significant part in both story importance and screen time in iron man 2. while hawkeye only had a small cameo in thor 1 and got the short end of the 6 in terms of prior exposure, he was built up during the events of avengers 1 vs justice league having to build up 3. maybe if flash had more than a single cameo in suicide squad, aquaman had a significant part in wonder woman and cyborg in man of steel but none of that ever happened. now, you might also be thinking, "blame wb/dc for rushing things. snyder was just doing the job he was hired on for." while true again, hes not some rookie director making a film about original characters for sundance. hes using THE most recognizable superheroes in the world and putting them alongside 3 others who are nowhere NEAR their level and releasing that movie worldwide, on top of constant worldwide advertisement. expecting the general audience to do prior research such as reading comic books, watching animated movies or the arrowverse shows in order to offset that giant differential and understand a movie isnt a standard for story telling either.

[@keyblader2k6]

@@Queentiffytime where and how did you get captain marvel into this? the discussion was about how to best introduce the various team members in avengers 1 vs justice league to the general public. besides, captain marvel did its job and introducing people to her in preparation for endgame. i will agree that story and writing do make a significant difference and that snyder cant do either properly. maybe the guy should just stick to cinematogarphy instead.

[@lvanlol]

Mcu: we are going to take 10 years to make a good universe. DC: 3 years take it or leave it

[@digitool5944]

I mean, the films he compares are both roughly 4 years after the first movie in the series, Iron Man to Avengers is like just over 4 years by a few days, Man of Steel to Justice League is roughly 4,5 years the difference is, in Iron Mn they tried to put so much lore and world building that they had hooks for later movies that would also work for other characters, the Incredible Hulk did the same, Iron Man 2, Thor and Captain America latched onto those hooks and placed new ones, they referenced back to each other we also had seen everyone except Maria Hill, the Other (and the Chitauri), and the World Security Council prior to the Avengers, so there was no big thing of "who is this and what can they do?", I mean, I guess we got a new Bruce Banner, but that's all Kevin Feige and Jon Favreau took a risk in Iron Man and it paid off for JL there were 2 individual movies and Batman V Superman, there was no build at all, even Wonder Woman didn't build towards her appearance in BvS, there is no united world, every movie can be seen alone and not miss anything

[@hunterlawrence3573]

What Marvel did really well in the early stages was making their movies something you could understand and enjoy without having seen the others, but also with subtle hints that were exciting if you had (I.E Phil Coulson's involvement). Iron Man, if not a superhero movie, would be a cool war film-esc science fiction movie about a guy who builds a robot suit of armor in a cave with scraps and then decides to use his second chance at life fixing his mistakes with a lot of action and futuristic technology. Captain America TFA, if not a superhero film, would be a more traditional sci-fi story set in WWII about an underdog who gets turned into a powerful super soldier and has to fight an evil counterpart super soldier. Thor is already the most unique from a typical superhero movie and had it not been made by Marvel, it probably wouldn't be considered one. The plot feels like if it was animated, it would be something Disney, Pixar, or possibly DreamWorks might make. It's a fun fantasy movie about alien versions of the Norse gods (which is already quite a mix of genres without the rest of the MCU) in which one of them gets turned mortal and sent to Earth where he has to react to the modern world and prove himself worthy before regaining his powers. Even the Avengers I was able to follow despite not having seen any of the films that came before it. DC on the other hand seems to require you to have seen Man of Steel and BvS for Justice League to make sense. I can't really say that for sure as I had seen most of them before JL, but if their movies don't stand on their own two feet without the rest of the DCEU, it feels less like a connected universe and more like one big, long series.

[@Mulukan57]

More like DCEU. DC has great universe in their animation movies and we call it DCAMU. Flashpoint Paradox is the greatest superhero movie, imo better than any MCU movies. Too bad people don't care about animation.

[@boomboom6577]

😂😂😂😂 so true

[@elakesamuel]

@@Mulukan57 okay but nobody cares

[@Elwirfy]

Doug is always right don't question his brilliant essay of logical points!