The Science of Sigmund Freud (with

[@SciGuys]

Are you mentally ill?

[@Meeko4eve39]

Probably. Not diagnosed with anything, though.

[@venlavenla5644]

yup!

[@dq8431]

Most definitely. Not exactly sure in what ways tho.

[@bingusenjoyer10]

social anxiety 🥰🥰😘😘😍😍😜🤪🥳🤩

[@i_have4dream987]

Probably

[@nellieorourke-stopka1072]

Oedipus gouged his own eyes out when he found out he'd married his mum, he didnt know who she was. it really was just Freud the freak

[@sabinajoh]

Quick little cred to Anna Freud: She invented child psychoanalysis, was chairman of the Vienna psycho-analytic society, and explained defense mechanisms as something stemming from childhood Editm The Freuds are always an interesting subject

[@SciGuys]

I guess a dick-obsessed dad casts a large shadow!

[@isobelwhitehouse4459]

An extra little note... Anna Freud was gay and was subjected to psychoanalysis, by her father, due to her sexuality. He concluded that homosexuality was completely normal as it persisted throughout the subconscious. That is when he came up with the whole everyone is bi thing, but let's not talk about that. If you go to the Freud Museum in London, there is a whole exhibit on Anna Freud's "friend", who basically funded the museum out of Anna's wishes. There is even a very queer letter in her room about the horrors of marriage to a man. I am a psych nerd, but Anna is never mentioned in my psych uni course. Still, her experiences with her father and her contributions to child psychology were so influential, and as a queer person, I would have loved to learn more about her.

[@cez_is_typing]

5:00 fun fact I had to learn about this in my psych a level as apart of the sexism in psychology module! Anna Freud had far better theories than her father and founded child psychology and yet basically no one outside the fields knows of her, we love Anna!

[@brody1216]

as someone with a (recent) degree in psychology, most of my professors AVOIDED talking about freud because they hated him so much jfjdjd most of what I heard was like , "we have to say this because it's a part of psychological history, but that's it" lolll

[@PaulaStueckendamm]

Gymnasium in Germany is part of the school system. Basically you go there to get A Levels in about eight to ten subjects with emphasis in certain areas like languages, sciences, art, economy... The degree you get there is called Abitur and is necessary to go on to university. So it's nothing to do with sports unless you choose it as your core subject.

[@SciGuys]

This was what I assumed but didn’t expect it to be questioned, so didn’t double check!

[@antonhaq3503]

I'm so glad you pointed out Freud's use and that he was an advocate of cocaine. I think it's crucial to take it into account regarding his work and theories. He did eventually disavow all his championing of cocaine but his theories remained.

[@alisonallen8658]

Anna Freud is the founder of child psychology!

[@SciGuys]

Maybe we’ll do an episode on her!

[@deadlymelody27]

"I am in constant thought and the only time im not is when its too loud" Oh god i feel this. Although its often so much that i actually cant think about any of it and i tend to think out loud 🙃 or rather, i need to verbalise or type, somehow get the thoughts out so i can process them properly. Im better at processing some stuff in my head now but its not easy or natural.

[@mooney4817]

the way i gasped at "but which lips?"

[@yohanrives3752]

It's funny how girls supposedly wanted a penis, something they wouldn't even know existed before their wedding day, but somehow he never realized that boys could want breasts or to be pregnant, which was something every child could see

[@antonhaq3503]

You have a rather skewed idea of how it was in Freuds era. It really was not as chaste as you think. Looking at your comment, you've badly misunderstood Freud.

[@juliusnatrup5916]

Pretty sure Ol' Siggy had a trans man on his couch at some point and extrapolated that to all afab people.

[@paadoxal]

​@@juliusnatrup5916yeah honestly sounds like it

[@munaiverse7662]

I love how people aspire to be a 'sigma male' without realising that this creepy old dude was what it meant. It is like when people say 'I'm Alpha and you're Gamma' and don't realise that delta has nothing to do with the wolf stuff and is just the radiation correlation thing.

[@lyle7655]

not to mention that the whole alpha wolf shit is a myth

[@packman2321]

A tangent, but I love the 'Alpha, Gamma, Delta' joke. :D

[@RaunienTheFirst]

Sigmund male?

[@sabinajoh]

@@Casper-sr1rwI see what you did there

[@hnktbt]

"are you mentally ill" lol there's a dsm code written down for every identifying trait i've ever had

[@TheThingFromMars]

I love listening to you guys controlling the urge to tell a dick-joke, giving up, and somehow ending up doing a critical analysis of the modern world. And then going back to dick jokes

[@packman2321]

I did a couple of years of medical school before going on to study philosophy+theology (with a focus on how science interacted with world religions) and Critical theory, so I joke to people that I've now studied Freud 5 times and every time I find new ways for him to be wrong. I seriously believe that the only reason my neuroscience course taught us about him (in a highly misleading form designed to make it sound like the id, ego and super ego were just an earlier form of the modular brain hypothesis, which is absolutely not true) is because academia more generally doesn't want to admit that it spent about 40 years joining a cult. (Edit: I was actually talking about this to my thesis supervisor last week, it really is interesting the ways in which medical school are committed not just to teaching you things but also to not teaching you things that would get in the way of specific interpretations. There was very much a decontextualising of a lot of these topics and of course you can't draw this from the text books because they are similarly decontextualised, so you're largely reliant on sociological and historical journals, which medical school doesn't give you tools to read. It's actually fascinating how educational disciplines shape their directions of thought almost implicitly) I think the nicest thing I can say about Freud is that he really neatly explodes some rather limiting concepts around sexuality with how broadly he defines it, and that he makes some fun ideas for writing fiction. There's also some suggestion that his oedipal theory was necessary covering after one of his early theories (that lots of his rich patients had been abused as children) received backlash, though I'm not sure how credible that claim actually is.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

Despite being outdated in terms of psychology, Freud's models still have one significant application today, which is literary and media analysis. Since there technically aren't any incorrect interpretations of art, there's nothing wrong with deriving meaning from a Freudian reading. For example, in a story with three focal characters, you can think about whether they fit into the group dynamic of ego, id, and superego. Of course, the same could be said for any psychological models.

[@rapchee]

i'm too lazy to type it all out but the murder-dream bit made burst out laughing, noah's "aah" XD 43:24

[@potterlover96]

41:24 Corry I am exactly the same! Genuinely the only time I get any kind of peace is when I'm asleep (not always then either) , when I'm wake there is just constant noise in my brain from, as Luke put it, the narrator 😂

[@5210smile]

I remember figuring out that some adults actually believed in Jesus and religion in general. I honestly thought it was a way to control kids and did not understand how people who were decades older than me (I was probably about 9) actually believed.

[@mars.is.dead66h14]

Happy😀 to see Noah back on the Podcast

[@deadlymelody27]

"Yes but the demons, not so much" was my favourite line. Noah's face was just perfect in that moment. 11:40 ish

[@Noarobyn93]

A Gymnasium in Germany ist like a middle and high school and because we have a classist school system here, it used to be that you would go to different schools for 5 or 6 years but to a gymnasium for 9 years and only then you would be allowed to attend college and university

[@mimirobin]

i feel like your reading of Freud is missing a the specific vocabulary of psycho-analysis which is, to be fair, probably hard to get without any knowledge in German. for example, sexuality can be in some cases read interchangeably with love or affection - so its not literally children wanting to have sex with their parents but the deep desire for affection. similarly the penis fixation can be read symbolically with the penis being a stand-in for male dominance in society, a perspective that offers so much critical impetus; also in this regard, the reception of Freud has been extremely influential and important for feminist thought. i wish Freud and psychoanalysis were treated less dismissedly. and tbh in correlation with that, I'd find it interesting to know how many of his works are translated with a proper commentary on the symbolic use of language because it is not easy to decode his language (historically + his specific vocabulary)

[@chelsuh614]

I'd be so interested to see another episode on this! Would love to know more about Freuds hypothesis...i mean opinions. And Lukes episode on transactional analysis!

[@TheThingFromMars]

Couldn't agree more. I knew nothing about Freud before, but now I want to hear more about his somewhat tyrannical clutch on Phycological history

[@antuloiotile9344]

Just in time for when i need to start cooking! I love to listen to this podcast while doing something else

[@ChaoticRabbitOfCaerbannog]

I was only listening to this on Spotify and the only one on this episode that I knew what they looked like was Noah before clicking on this. For some reason my brain makes up faces for people that I only know what their voices are and it wasn’t accurate to what Corry and Luke actually look like.

[@Milo_frog_rocket]

I wonder if Freud accidentally only spoke to closeted trans guys and that's how we came up with penis envy

[@user-es7ui5mc1m]

Gymnasium is a type of school, the most "academically oriented" type of secondary schools . It's the one you go to to get the equivalent of A levels to set you up to go to university, whereas other types of schools you could leave with just a GCSE-type diploma and go on to do an apprenticeship, or switch to a Gymnasium later on, etc. Back in the day in English class at my "Gymnasium" I was taught the translation for "Gymnasium" was "grammar school" in English for the UK context. I don't think that's a good translation; grammar schools aren't much of a thing anymore in the UK and Gymnasien (that's the plural) work kind of differently now in the German speaking countries, particularly in who goes there, where they go after, etc. but for Freud's time, you could say it's the equivalent of a UK grammar school. Both meanings of gymnasium (the sports kind in English and the school in German) go back to to the same Greek word "gymnasion", which was a place of phyiscal and mental education.

[@BaddeGrasse]

Ive been avoiding the witchcraft episode because im a strong believer in the benefits of placebo and introspection so i practice for those reasons and was scared to hear scientifically educated people tell me its not special that quartz rocks tell the time 😂 hearing your convo on it in the middle of this one though gives me hope that itll just give me more fuel for my placebo so ill actually check it out now

[@sabinajoh]

There’s some evidence that the placebo effect can still happen if you know it’s not true but don’t quote me on that

[@doomera5911]

could you do motivation?

[@Spotless_World]

I love you guys so much for real you make me learn stuff while I’m fucking laughing. Also watching this with a packer in my underwear is actually even more hilarious 🩲

[@sharkarts378]

I don’t know if you already have but I was wondering if you could do an episode on Oppenheimer who is known to be the father of the atomic bomb, I thought it would be a cool episode idea but no worries if you don’t want to do it! Also I love the podcast and it’s great to listen to while doing work or drawing it’s really entertaining and I learn a lot of facts and things I can use in my life! Love the show keep it up

[@SciGuys]

👀👀👀

[@dsagacity]

You should do an episode on lithium. I know it’s random. But like, medicine? Battery? How both want to know

[@deadlymelody27]

I have had so many teeth dreams 😅 its the ultimate anxiety dream. Definitely worst at the height of my anxiety

[@FMLPanda123]

Clicked for Freud, stayed for Epistomology 101 with Cory 15 minutes in

[@lostinmymind8147]

Yes, a gymnasium is a school 😅 In Germany there are three kinds of school with different degrees. Gymnasium is one of them.

[@ryuusei0010]

Yes, absolutely mentally ill. So mentally ill in fact I'm watching this instead of studying for a test I have tomorrow and sitting here with so much anxiety about basically everything I did today and what is gonna happen tomorrow :'))))))

[@garethjones2596]

Gymnasium is a high school in Deutschland und Osterreich

[@conlon4332]

I wonder if one of the "hysterical women" he studied was actually a trans man, and that's where he got the Penis Envy theory from, and then he just decided he liked that idea and ran with it for describing everyone, even if there wasn't any evidence it applied to most people. I think maybe Freud's biggest problem was over-generalising things that applied to some people.

[@mahrinui18]

Note about the Bernays family: Freud's nephew, Edward Bernays, invented modern advertising (and basically ruined the world as a result).

[@SciGuys]

BOOOOO

[@CactusMuffin]

No play with scissors. Bob!

[@lauri7529]

who is bob? /half-joking

[@CactusMuffin]

@@lauri7529 Cory is Bob. Bob is Cory.

[@joeyrufo]

I always thought Freud, though wrong about a lot of things, was on to something in certain areas... like... when I was 6, I used to say (out loud) that I wanted to marry my mother... 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@grugre2361]

I think-yes)

[@SnowWolf7]

I have read some of His daughters stuff. Nothing really groundbreaking, but interesting. I prefer Jung.

[@timetravelsnail7198]

i have a personal dislike of freud because his theories sent tourettes reseach and treatment back MASSIVELY. like gille de la tourette figured out that ts was biological rather than mental, but then psychoanalysis rolled up and said that coprolalia came from deep dark sexual thoughts in the subconscious

[@rapchee]

"gymnasium" is just high school in german, also, less relevantly, in hungarian

[@fanellaforever]

Will be careful what I say because he's a married man but anyone else think Luke has had a glow up? Usually its Corry that's the eye candy of the pod.. Re starting counselling Thurs so will get back to you on the mentally ill thing, see what they think 😂

[@j0sie5._5]

"Are you mentally ill?" tee hee

[@dolphone6748]

More like the lack of science aayyyyyy

[@danitotd]

I hate Freud and psychoanalysis 🤢

[@layditms2]

UH You are both styled like my Generation and Culture ? You have NOTHING to DO vvith how we grew UP ?