The Science of Vaping | Sci Guys Podcast

[@SciGuys]

Do you vape?

[@annihilation_woohoo]

Used to (15-17). Switched to cigarettes, they feel less addictive. When I don't smoke for >10 hours I feel overall fine, just a little nudge. When I didn't vape for 4 hours, I felt awful withdrawals, stomach pain, headaches, etc... Edit: tobacco in cigarettes and salt nicotine are chemically different, therefore have a different effect on the smoker.

[@Trintron46]

Nope, mary j guides the way

[@klaudiascarlettmckenzie939]

Nope

[@navareeves8976]

No

[@SevernTheBug]

No but many people around me do, like my brother and people at school even though I’m only 13

[@Sophie-fo8qj]

i quit smoking a few months ago and switched to vaping, honestly the worst choice i ever made. it's so easy and accessible that i ended up becoming 10x more reliant on nicotine than when i was smoking cigs. my life isnt negatively affected by it currently but i wish i'd just gone cold turkey from the start :(

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

I think that is important for you to be mindful of. All my sisters and brothers including me quit with the help of vaping. I think we're all different in how we do thing. I hope you found your way through it.

[@thiel_spencer]

I don't vape - I know I have a very addictive, all-or-nothing type personality plus addiction is common in my family, so I avoid addictive substances like the plague lol

[@pinkforguys]

same here

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

Same. I've taken plenty of potentially addictive substances, like prescription opiates post op, but managed to not get addicted. However, I've gotten addicted to self destructive behaviors, which isn't much better.

[@Sophie-fo8qj]

just thought id comment to let Luke know that we went to the same secondary school and that they have a photo of him printed out in the drama department as a "notable alumni", not sure if its still there tho as i got kicked out of that school during my A-levels a few years back now! small world! Love the podcast btw, makes my monday mornings bearable and makes my co-workers think i'm smart!

[@chloe-fy4wc]

Thanks for the episode! As a non-smoker I find it wild how normalized vaping is around me and that it’s treated way better than cigs, despite there not being a long-term research on its affects on health. However, I’d like to hear more about the psychological effect of vaping. Because personally i know a few people who tried to quit vaping and they said it was terribly hard because vaping is very accessible. You can vape anywhere at anytime. And it was hard to keep track of how much nicotine you digest. Btw, I’d love to hearepisodes on caffeine and sugar addictions. They’re even more normalized than smoking or alcohol it be nice to learn the effects it has. As well as hear why Corry hates it lol. Sincerely, your avid listener and caffeine addict

[@ElizabethTheXIX]

I think it would have been good to have mentioned the environmental impact if vaping, all of the plastic and batteries that just get thrown away every day

[@einaccount5193]

Absolutely! Especially since single-use vape pens often don't use single-use batteries(which would be bad enough), but lithium-ion batteries, which are rechargable (except that you can't with these vapes because there is no charger, They are supposed to be single use after all). Those are the same ones we use in phones and EVs. They contain rare metals, which are mined under horrible conditions for both the environment and the workers. They could be put to much better use than dingle-use vape pens, which many people don't even recycle, which is also not very easy. Basically you're buying the same tech as a refillable, rechargeable vape, but fully encased in plastic so you can't refill or recharge it. So maybe don't.

[@SciGuys]

This episode was focussed more on the health implications, maybe a future one could focus on the environmental impacts

[@rincentvanuggh1911]

Yeah disposable vapes have no good reason to exist and should be illegal for sure. No product with a lithium Ion battery should be designed to just throw away

[@Auhsa]

@@rincentvanuggh1911 On the other hand, I accidentally stopped smoking from buying a disposable vape pen to have as an emergency smoke in case I ran out of cigarettes when I couldn't buy more. Went from two packs, for about twenty years, to none at all in two days. They are allowed to be put in the same recycle bin as batteries where I live and I did buy a refillable pen when the disposable one ran out though. I don't think it's right to keep using disposables.

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

​@@rincentvanuggh1911If hour government doesn't have a reliable, functioning recycling system you should demand that. We have 11 different recycling trash cans that we sort into.

[@juniperfox1064]

I vape. I know it isn’t healthy but I am addicted and it is all I have to give myself some relief for my untreated mental health issues

[@christinewarden3450]

You should put articles your reading on screen it makes it alot easier to follow along

[@fanellaforever]

I have been waiting for this ep for ages, and it has come at the perfect time! I successfully quit smoking about three years ago with vaping, but now I have come to the point I am trying to put down the vape, and I knew hearing Corry talk about it rationally would help my mind set to give it up!

[@gothiccck6296]

I saw a study saying that is isnt the vaping that could be the most dangerous but the flavorings. They are just labelled as flavorings and not stated, the study found that many of them were toxic.

[@luthientinuviel9942]

I smoked/vaped for ten years, mostly vaped but had periods of smoking analogs (lol). It took several attempts over a couple of years to quit. The pandemic actually sealed the deal for me - like most people I barely left my house, meaning no vape shop, no corner store, nothing. I had already successfully cut down quite a bit, which was pretty hard because I'd always been a chain smoker. One day I finally ran out of smokes and vapes and just went cold turkey from there. Marijuana actually helped especially in that first week, thank God for living in a legal state with delivery lmao. It's been about two and a half years & I'm so glad I quit. Like many smokers I was experiencing dental issues and chronic cough, had already lost two teeth by the age of thirty. The cough was gone in about six months. I had cravings for about a year but now I'm back to being revolted by the smell of cigarettes as most non smokers are. Kinda bewildering now how I used to think it smelled good. To anyone quitting or wanting to quit, I wish you good luck! Cut down slowly, ignore every other impulse, then every two, every three, etc. The first week of being totally off does suck but it's mind over matter, you can do it!

[@karishma7492]

i’ve been looking for information about this for so long, great episode guys! very informative

[@hannahpickford6889]

Luke using his documentary to put the company on blast is so cool

[@henhenhenhenhenhen]

I don't vape or smoke and never have. I have never even tried either of those. If I happen to inhale some smoke from a nearby smoker it often just makes me cough my lungs out. I have a lot of people around me who smoke or vape though, and this helped me filter information to help them stop smoking - which has been my goal from the start. Sadly some of them cannot mentally live without it due to high stress levels. Great podcast again! It's long overdue that tobacco corporations feel the consequences of their actions.

[@dardega]

I switched to vaping three months ago after smoking for 16 years. My observations: lung health improved drastically, I got rid of my smokers cough after just a week; I'm gradually cutting back the amount of nicotine I use in my vape, and for now it goes fine; psychologically vaping substitutes my smoking habit perfectly, I feel zero cravings for cigarettes now. What I noticed from a social perspective - long-time smokers around me seem to be weirdly cautious about vaping. I say "weirdly" because I can't count anymore the times when someone who's smoking at the very moment takes their time to tell me how vaping is more dangerous, actually. I agree that there is still lack of studies for long-term effects of vaping, but we have plenty for the long-term effects of smoking. So if I can't help but to stand where I might get hit by something, I prefer to wait on the bicycle lane and see what's coming, than to stay on train tracks where we know what's coming.

[@alexbrewster4317]

i work in a shop and although cigarettes are gross my favourite bit of the job was stocking them in the slidey shelf thing. But when we started selling vapes i so nearly bought one just because the boxes looked cool and the flavours sounded fun like sweets (and they were way cheaper than i thought they would be). Then I read the ingredients on the back and googled them, very quickly put the box down lmao

[@laurielmaoo]

my last vape ran out yesterday, i think this video was the kick i needed to prevent myself buying another 👍🏻 wish me luck bois

[@AnimilesYT]

The ad bell always scares me since it's a jarring sound that happens while they're talking. It also doesn't help that it has distinct stereo channels so I suddenly hear a sound coming from my left side...

[@lukablaikie7119]

Luke is an absolute legend.

[@Fatally_yours_]

I'm sure i remember cigs being advertised on billboards when i was a kid. It seems absolutely insane now, but was just so normal at the time.

[@zeurabbit9708]

I've been vaping for a little over 2 years now. I was barely asthmatic before and it hasn't gotten worse (yet) however there are some really bad brands out there. I try to look up the brands before I use them, and if I use them and my breathing gets worse or I feel anything unusual I throw it out and avoid that brand and specific flavor I'm currently also regulating how often I hit it just to make it "slightly healthier" and to give myself a limit to how often I vape

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

For US residents here's an interesting legal fact about tobacco. It is legal in all 50 states to grow tobacco at home, provided you do not sell or distribute it. You'd need a license for that. There are several reasons you'd want to grow tobacco other than personal use. For one, the flowering variety Nicotiana alata produces some very pretty flowers and the pollinators love it. The Aztec variety Nicotiana rustica has the highest concentration of nicotine and is commonly used to make an organic pesticide. If you want to try growing it, the best way to germinate the seeds is to sprinkle them on the soil surface and do not bury them. Mist them in and cover them with a humidity dome. Be careful because the seeds are very tiny.

[@rincentvanuggh1911]

One reason they purified nicotine out of tobacco was as a pesticide, before better ones existed gardeners would basically hot box a greenhouse with nicotine if it had bugs eating all the plants. The concentration of nicotine in this case was very toxic so you wouldn't use this to consume nicotine, just to kill pests. My grandad used to do it.

[@koalaskrypin]

The shamanic practice of blowing something up someones nose is called Hapé or Rapé (emphasis on the e) and can be done both to stimulate or to calm depending on what you use, there is even DMT in some of the powders. I don't use it myself but I do know fellow shamans and shamanic healers/practitioners both in America and Europe that practice it. Among other things it makes the client release mental blockages around trauma and it's used in shamanic treatments for childhood trauma among other things. I come from the nordic practice where we would, if we use similar practices (I have never felt the need to) would most probably use some kind of mushrooms instead. I neither condone or condemn the practice, I just don't use any perception changing substances in my practice. I use my drum, some tea of heather, lavender and chamomile and my (what I have been told is) soothing (and slightly hypnotising) voice. I have led people in guided meditations next to a saw mill and the participants told me afterwards that as soon as I started talking they heard nothing but my voice. So, no need for substances in my view. And yes, snus! We have that in Sweden, extremely popular. I think it's because you can hide it farely well and do it in places you can¨t smoke, and also because the only person you are harming is yourself. No second hand smoking.

[@morgans.2183]

Interesting thing is, a man named Herbert A. Gilbert filed a patent in 1963 for an electronic cigarette that was named “the smokeless”, and it was patented in August of 1965 (U.S. Patent No. 3,200,819). I’m not sure if that product was ever actually sold, or even if it contained any nicotine, but I still think it’s an interesting fact

[@alexlail7481]

Keep in mind snuff was originally snorted. Also nicotine was used as a pesticide as far back as the 1700s and my understanding is that it fell out of favor once other pesticides were available due to the dangers of use... though it seems odd to those with single payer health care in the US hospitals are not really incentivized to encourage smoking because they are required by law to provide treatment thru the emergency room required to stabilize a individual regardless of ability to pay... and eat the cost if they cannot. I'm not suggesting that this is a wonderful solution to the single payer system. But it has been documented that those who are uninsured and cannot pay end up using the emergency room as primary care... smoking related illnesses and other health issues experienced by those people end up costing hospitals quite a bit.

[@ynthegoblin2664]

I wanted to try vaping as a way to stop smoking regular cigarettes but then I heard you could get popcorn lung from using it just once, and that scared me of. Any truth to this popcorn lung thing? I was hoping this episode would cover this.

[@SciGuys]

Popcorn lung can be caused by a lot of things but diacetyl was the worry with vapes. The EU banned the use of it in e-cigarettes though so there shouldn’t be much risk of that at all. Ultimately vaping seems to be far safer than smoking & is recommended by the NHS as a tool to quit smoking

[@ashleyharbaugh8439]

I do vape I used it to go away from cigarettes. I was a heavy smoker and I did notice a difference in breathing easier but could be cuz I smoked so heavily. I worked my way all the way down to 0mg over 4 years but they recently stopped making 0mg most places so I'm a bit stuck cuz I use it to 'self medicate' I know it's not good for you but I look at it as more of a sideways movement rather than better since it's not studied.

[@RiderOfKarma]

Vaping is the only thing that keeps me off cigarettes [ten years now]. I'm still reliant on the vape, but it feels a hell of a lot better than smoking. Unfortunately there's been hysteria restricting access that is threatening that now.

[@AnimilesYT]

I don't think people should be free to choose whether they smoke or not. Nobody asked me if I was okay with watching half of my family slowly perish in a horribly painful way while they're starting to loose any sense of self due to effectively being overdosed by morphine in order to suppress the pain. Literally nobody asked me if I was okay with that outcome, but I was still forced through that trauma as a child.

[@antonhaq3503]

After smoking over 3 decades I now vape. The UK Royal College of Surgeons stated vaping is 96% less harmful than smoking which is good enough for me. I no longer have the laboured breathing, wheezing etc and can enjoy my nicotine with some delicious flavours.

[@Overlordtoad]

I do not vape but I’d estimate about half my year have tried vaping and probably a third actually vape. I’m in year nine so almost all my classmates are 13. Tbh it’s not even just the health issues, how do kids even get them. Students on snapchat who are my age with a ton of them and just sell them. Is it not illegal? Probably costs a fortune in the long term too

[@applegal3058]

I don't understand why someone would continually inhale poison. But then again, I will purposely drink alcohol on occasion, which is also a poison. I don't smoke or vape, but I have smoked marijuana on the extremely rare occasion. My last draw was probably 10 years ago. So basically, we all do things that aren't necessarily good for us because they make us feel good.

[@katrine5880]

Snus is really popular in Scandinavia, it's pretty embarrassing how many kids here think it's cool. Nicotine here is just generally really normalized

[@jessilovely]

I vape - I love it although I feel sluggish at times and it affects my singing if I vape right before. Nice taste, nice smell and of course a nicotine hit. Because I’m lazy, I get the disposable ones that don’t require refilling which are much higher nicotine. I’m trying to quit because it’s expensive and I hadn’t really seen much data of what was in it; I’d assumed it was a portable version of hookah smoking 🤷🏽‍♀

[@deadlymelody27]

I used to vape. I also used to smoke before and after the time i vaped. I don't do either anymore. I cut down smoking from about 10 a day to 3 gradually, and then i found out i was pregnant and immediately stopped (i was trying to cut down because i knew i wanted to try for a baby soonish at that point and I just so happened to get pregnant very quickly without much active planning 😅). It was the best motivation I ever had and its coming up to 2 years smoke free because i found out i was pregnant end of september 2020. I actually crave vaping more because my brother vapes and I know its not great for you but it smells so fruity and nice. But then i have a fruity sugar free drink instead and it seems to itch the same spot 😅

[@koalaskrypin]

I had to google shisha, the swedish word for it is literally translated to "water pipe".

[@asylumforshadow]

I tried vaping for a while from nothing. Not for the Nicotine but only because I liked playing with the smoke or vapor. Whichever it was. Then I got bored of it and stopped.

[@asylumforshadow]

Also to note, this is my first time watching on KZbin. I usually listen on Spotify every Monday to get my work day started but here in the US it's Labor Day so my work gave it to all of us off. I'm not really sure what it celebrates but I'll take a free paid day off.

[@thosefroggyfolks2004]

My sensory issues did a better job at preventing me from smoking than American drug education programs.

[@crispreviewsyorks]

my uncle darren got a CBD vape an the last time we was all at my nans house before she died he was showing it to all of us and we had to pretend to be impressed. he is in his 40s.

[@Dariusissocool]

When I heard my name I nearly crapped myself 🫣🫣🫣

[@coralovesnature]

Overall, I think this episode was pretty fair and accurate, but I did notice that Corry mentioned several times that the only reason people continue to smoke is for the nicotine. While this may be true for cigarettes, there are also people who smoke pipe tobacco, which could be done with just straight tobacco without nicotine. To be fair though, this is probably a small minority of all smokers. Also just wanted to mention, before the colonizers invaded what is now called North America, tobacco was already an important and culturally significant substance for many Indigenous people. Some tribes consider tobacco sacred and/ or a gift from The Creator and it plays a role in ceremonies. Again, to be fair, this probably doesn’t really have much relevance to vaping, but it’s good to know the history/ other uses, I think. Btw, I am not trying to advocate for tobacco. I hate smoking and have no interest in it myself, but just trying to present another possible perspective.

[@mixedviews3536]

Tobacco naturally has nicotine… there is no tobacco without nicotine.

[@kellynaz9256]

also cant go far without seeing empty vapes everywhere

[@AnimilesYT]

About making ridiculous products that contain nicotine, I think it would actually be a good idea. If it's done just purely out of protest and not with any intent of making money it could show how ridiculous it is that the tabaco/vaping industry can do what they're doing.

[@Matty442]

I vaped once bc someone handed me a vape at a party I didn't like it so I've not done it since I know lots of people my age who do though

[@alecjira]

Because I understand there to be an exacerbatory link between alcohol consumption and GBV, I'd argue that alcohol consumption /can/ have adverse effects on the people around u, but on the whole I found this episode to be really informative, thank u

[@SciGuys]

You missed the point. Smoking inherently affects the people around you. Drinking does not make those around you drunk.

[@nonbinarycookie3328]

I vape but with CBD not nicotine.

[@Ash_6614]

at my school vapes are an easy gateway to marijuana

[@nyumyu4265]

Ide rather my kids be doing marijuana than vaping. Marijuana is MUCH safer than vaping and cigarettes.

[@1crx071]

bud people always mention how vaping is bad but thoes idoits who say they vaped and it almost killed them only smoked nicotine vapes but wat abt non nicotine vapes? i havent heard and bad sht abt non nicotine vapes

[@SciGuys]

As a general rule, breathing anything that isn’t air or prescribed medicine is not a good idea

[@natewearing9406]

No.

[@camalinthewind5812]

Na

[@Mx-Alba]

Okay, three things that appear to have been completely missed in this otherwise very good video... 1) How addictive is nicotine? You bring up several times that nicotine is "very addictive"... But how addictive is it? Where's the science to back it up? The answer is: nobody knows how addictive nicotine is because it has been impossible to addict lab animals to nicotine so science has not been able to measure how addictive it is. Even of caffeine we do know how addictive it is because we were able to measure it because we were able to addict lab animals to caffeine... But nicotine? Nope. It's just not very addictive at all, apparently... (More on why it does /appear/ to be very addictive to /some/ people in my third point...) 2) Is anybody actually going from vaping to smoking? That vaping is a gateway to smoking is something that is often brought up - but never backed up by science. As far as I know, nobody /who has never smoked before/ has moved from vaping to smoking. The reason is quite clear: cigarette smoke has a HORRIBLE taste. Why in the world would anybody in their right mind switch from tasty strawberry flavoured vapes to horrible ashtray flavoured cigarettes if they can just stick with the nice flavours of vapes? 3) Is there any use to nicotine? It's mentioned in the video that nicotine has no use... Oh but it does, at least, for many people. Nicotine actually has medicinal qualities for people with various forms of neurodivergence. For autistic people, nicotine has a similar effect as ritalin (adderal) for ADHD folks. 99% of people diagnosed with schizophrenia smoke or vape and are unable to kick that "habit" - not because they're prone to addictions, but because nicotine has an effect on their brain that helps them cope with the effects of schizophrenia. Nicotine is actually currently being used as a drug for Parkinson's disease because it has better positive effects and fewer side effects than other available drugs. Some research also appears to suggest that nicotine may protect against Alzheimer's disease. The long and short of it is, most people who are "severely addicted" to nicotine aren't truly addicted - they're self-medicating. Personally, I am autistic and I know from experience that nicotine helps me function better in a society that generally does not cater to my autistic needs. It just makes my brain work better. Some 10 years ago, I switched from smoking to vaping and ever since then, I've consistently consumed about the same daily amount of nicotine. Apparently, that's the dosage I require for optimal functioning. I've also tried other methods of nicotine delivery, like patches, but those work less well. For example, when I'm in a situation that is particularly stressful for my autistic brain, I may need an instant nicotine boost to help myself through it. Vaping allows me much better control of my nicotine intake than other methods. And, well, it just tastes nice, so that's a perk. :D

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