The Secret Airline of Area 51 - JANET

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Driving to work, or relying on public transport to get there, can be a big hassle, that many of us can relate to. But… what if your workplace is a little bit different, and secretive?
How would you get to work, if your… office just happens to be at Area 51? Well, today we are going to talk about Area 51 and about the unusual commute of many of those working there, which involves a pretty unusual airline, called JANET!
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[@DepressedMusicEnjoyer]

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[@patfre]

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[@disorganizedorg]

Indeed -- I hadn't heard about this... www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/2023169-betterhelp-complaint_.pdf

[@YHK_YT]

Why better help again???

[@PsRohrbaugh]

The entire point of the Top Secret background check is to see how easily you are to blackmail or manipulate. Someone with debt problems might be easier to bribe. With "sexual activity", they are interested in whether you are doing things you're ashamed of that could be used to blackmail you. Having a mistress your spouse doesn't know about is a MUCH bigger problem than an - alternate lifestyle - that your family or friends are are aware of. One of my close friends got a top secret clearance. I know he's into some - extreme - things and asked "was that a problem?" he said "no, my wife's involved and my friends know, so there's no blackmail potential, which is all the government cares about".

[@peterhobson3262]

At one time my mother-in-law called my wife to ask if I was in trouble because a government investigator had seen her and was asking some very personal questions about me. Fortunately my wife knew I was being investigated for the Top Secret clearance required by my job in the US Navy.

[@alw6824]

@@peterhobson3262 I was in a relationship with someone with a Top Security clearance who worked as a security consultant for Lockheed. A year or so after we lost track of each other, the doorbell rang. It was the classic FBI look - two guys in black suits wearing aviator sunglasses driving a nondescript dark sedan with government plates. They didn't ask to come in and I didn't invite them in. Instead, I stepped outside and we talked there. They asked tons of questions about her. I figured they were investigating her for something and I didn't want to get involved so I gave a bunch of technically truthful non-answers. They gave me their cards and asked me to call if I heard from her. They never contacted me again and I never contacted them. It was a surreal experience.

[@Quasihamster]

It's like the spiritual teachings. You don't have to be Jesus, you need to be comfortable with who you are, what you are, and what you do, and trust that everything happens for your highest good.

[@sailaab]

Hmm.. so i might have to disclose my erectile dysfunction to my close family, friends... BEFORE I apply.. for them to not be able to use that 'lack of' sexual behaviour.. to blackmail me later.

[@thomaseboland8701]

This was a major problem for the military in the days of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". It created a huge blackmail threat for cleared personnel. It's one reason the military was out in front on getting rid of this policy. It's safer for everyone involved.

[@After_these_messages]

Great video this week! I’m a civilian that works with the US IC/DoD. The main reason why they use LAS airport instead of the nearby base, is to make it easier for civilian workers to fly into and out of LAS from wherever they may be living/flying out of. Employees will fly to LAS from their own home states and cities, and then work for several days or more at Groom Lake before flying back home for some days off. This just makes it easier in terms of employees being able to find commercial flights straight to LAS instead of dealing with military transport that have tighter schedules and not as much flexibility. The OPSEC is overall better as well, when you can just have personnel all funneling into one secure location, instead of having to travel through two or more to get where they need to be.

[@hannahpumpkins4359]

And, don't forget bout the Lush bath and body products store at Reid, so you can stop there before your shift and buy something that smells nice - this is very important to the overall mission of the USAF. After all, nobody like a stinky employee - and especially a stinky pilot.

[@Aleksandr_N]

Some of AirChina fleet has Oxygen breathing tanks for every passenger onboard (not just an oxygen chemical generator). This is to provide oxygen for everyone onboard in case if depressurization happens flying over the Himalayas mountains with no possibility to dive down to safe altitude.

[@HeimirTomm]

Interesting!

[@sailaab]

Source/s.. if any please.

[@Aleksandr_N]

@@sailaab kzbin.info/www/bejne/jna2nKivjNSgp8Usi=p_h-aNdYBnTAnRRx&t=571 EMERGENCY OXYGEN system for PASSENGERS! Explained by CAPTAIN JOE at ~9:40 I probably messed up about exactly AirChina and Boeings, but Captain Joe mentioned that some of airliners has such O2 bottles installed for every passenger.

[@AaronOfMpls]

Yah, flights that aren't specifically going to Tibet tend to avoid the Tibetan Plateau, _because_ they can't get low enough there in a depressurization. Normal procedure with loss of cabin pressure is to get below 10,000 feet ASAP -- but most of Tibet is _higher_ than that.

[@frank7353]

@@sailaab He is correct. All Tibetan aircraft are modified, A319/737s all have additional 6 oxygen tanks, capable of providing oxygen for about one hour. They also use CFM56-5B7 or CFM56-7B26E/B2F engines, which provide over 20% more thrust than the normal version. Most of them are also equipped with RNP-AR 3D approach to make things a bit easier.

[@AndrewSephiTV]

This "secret airline" was so "secretive" that on Flight Simulator X there was a mission where you would fly Janet to Area 51 and after landing a UFO would take off right beside you. One of the most interesting game missions ever.

[@pyrat1340]

I loved that mission! Remember when the Pilot said: „If I tell you why we switched our callsign, I would have to kill you“ 😅

[@AURORAREVEALNOW]

And that UFO that took off once you were taxiing next to the other JANET aircraft, was a TR series craft.

[@mcwiesniak7000]

I came here to comment that. What an amazing game that was. I played that mission at least 10-20 times it was a great one man

[@AURORAREVEALNOW]

@@mcwiesniak7000 There will be a similar or new campaign in the upcoming MSFS2024 flight sim.

[@dbspecials1200]

They have to reveal everything in some fashion, they use Hollywood for that in wholesale. and, you have the sim devs having a little fun with them I think also.

[@plektosgaming]

I had a relative who was doing work for a government agency have to get such a clearance many years ago. The process was... kind of absurd. They even asked his second grade teacher questions about him. Absolutely nothing was not checked, re-checked, and then verified via a third source. We still don't know what he really did. Lol.

[@igorGriffiths]

One of my friends had to go through deep vetting and as one of his friends, I was interviewed by a person skilled at befriending people and getting them to say more than they intended. The sexual behaviour section is likely related to use of prostitutes and such like activities which could be used against you for blackmail purposes.

[@ThunderChasers]

I can neither confirm nor deny the intensity of the investigative process...

[@GoSlash27]

I can attest that this is absolutely true. The investigative process isn't secret. I went through it when I was in the Navy and that was just for 'confidential'. I had people I didn't even remember contacting me asking why the .gov was interviewing them about me. They then kept all my personal info on an unsecured server that wasn't even behind a firewall and the Chinese hacked it. I vowed that was the last time I would ever jump through their hoops. I've been pressured repeatedly to get a 'secret', but I always refuse. I have CCI and that's all I need to do my job.

[@ThunderChasers]

@@davidduganne5939 🤣

[@cremebrulee4759]

You probably don't want to know. Ignorance keeps you safe. You can't slip and say something that affects national security if you don't know anything.

[@paulgracey4697]

A couple of decades ago, the organization I have long been a part of, the International Human Powered Vehicle Association was holding its speed championship races in Las Vegas. Part of the annual races is the 200M top speed for extremely streamlined bicycles that at that time required a 2 mile run-up to the 200M timing traps. The local chapter of our organization had intended that event to take place at a nearby dry lake, but unseasonable rain had made it unusable. Those local organizers had some connections though. They moved the event to a paved runway at an airfield near Mercury NV. It was well outside the inner security for the Area 51 but still within a checkpoint we were allowed to pass. Unfortunately for our contest that reserve airfield (with no regular traffic at all) had a slope to it that would not allow us to set international records, but because of that slope some of the highest speeds to that date were recorded. We require less than 1 in 200 slope for flatness. We use chase cars for the safety of the contestants, and some of the fastest of our vehicle riders were out accelerating the 3 cylinder sub-compact rental cars that got that assignment:)

[@The_ZeroLine]

Sweet. HPVA is great.

[@cageordie]

A security guard where I used to work was a mathematician in the closed area. He used to fly out of San Jose on Friday morning to Tonopah where he was picked up by another plane that took him to his work place. Each evening they flew him back to Tonopah to his hotel. On Friday they stuck him back on a white plane and flew him back to San Jose. Why was he a security guard? He said nobody would hire a fifty something mathematician. What he worked on was the F117.

[@fairyprincess911]

A security guard was a mathematician? That’s odd.

[@cstacy]

@@fairyprincess911 These days he would be an Uber driver.... (Well, actually not. Because as a mathematician, he would calculate his cost per mile and know better....) LOL

[@fairyprincess911]

@@cstacy What I actually thought was odd is that he worked as a security guard on an F117 and that being a security guard or mathematician were oddly placed details (if he worked on the F117).

[@cageordie]

@fairyprincess911 He was a security guard at my employer, long after he worked in the closed area. Sorry that was hard to understand.

[@cageordie]

@@fairyprincess911 Try getting old and see what happens. Mathematicians aren't in that much demand, especially old ones.

[@tomhargreaves8820]

Great research and wonderful presentation! I retired from the Air Force from Nellis in 1988. At that time, some, and maybe all, of the JANET aircraft flew out of Nellis. I don't remember what type the aircraft were at that time. In those days, getting on base was pretty easy. If I remember, you just had to show your military or civilian ID card as you passed through the gate, or had to have a "base sticker" on your bumper or windscreen. That all changed on 11 September 2001. After that, you stopped, gave your ID card to the armed guard at the gate, your card was compared against a list (and years later electronically scanned) before you were allowed to enter the base. I'm guessing that the much higher security level and ID checking, and thus much slower base entry, led to off-loading several hundred people per day to a dedicated facility at KLAS.

[@flagmichael]

Related to Area 51 is Ward Carroll's video, "The Secret Program That Hid an Even More Secret Program" Pretty wild!

[@WinterNevada]

I remember spotting one of these JANET Boeing 737s back in Piarco International Airport on the ramp, really looking forward to see the insight into them for this video!

[@andyrichardsvideovlogs8835]

Fascinating glimpse of the murky world of Janet 😮

Derek

[@Michael.Chapman]

On Flightradar24 it’s fun to track the JANET 737s (those heading to Groom). I’ve done this and the transponder does appear to be deliberately switched off as the aircraft approaches the base. JANET Aircraft flying back to Vegas behave the same and suddenly pop into view well after departing Groom Lake. The real action up there isn’t at Groom Lake, it’s a 25 minute drive away in a bus with blanked out windows ,at the ATS Papoose Lake facility called S-4, The Museum, etc.

[@MatthijsvanDuin]

And how are you concluding this is due to deliberately switching off the transponder as opposed to just losing line of sight from tracking stations? Sites like FlightRadar24 depend on volunteers putting a receiver on their roof or a mast in exchange for a free business plan subscription, and I think it's safe to assume nobody is volunteering to install one of these at area 51.

[@andrewallston3139]

What a great video! This is what KZbin needs more of! Creators using their knowledge and passion to do research and create interesting videos about topics that the watcher already knows about but never even thought about the details the creator is focused on in that particular topic. I love it. Thank you for sharing your expertise and research! ❤❤

[@JaykPuten]

A family member of mine who lived in a place, never took those flights 5-6 days a week (he never worked or did anything one day a week) So I don't have pictures (the type you had to get printed out) from when I never had to occasionally drive him there

[@lukek8357]

I'm a Pyrotechnician and we put in notifications for NOTAM to be issued frequently when we're working with fireworks that can reach above 400ft. Sometimes we're working with fireworks that can reach over 1000ft and we need to keep aircraft coming into land away. We often have CASA staff on site when we're near airports and training spaces for the ADF.

[@michaelpaske4327]

Nellis vs McCarrin - McCarrin is more accessible in a couple of ways. First, more of the people who work at Area 51 would live closer to McCarrin and its feeder freeways than near Nellis AFB around which is a lot of lower and medium-low income housing areas. Second, security check access. Getting on, and sometimes even off a military base is much more time consuming than a commercial airport and takes much more time. Plus, as I have mentioned in another comment, the amenities at a military terminal would not be considered "suitable" to most civilians to have to put up with on BOTH ends of their flights. Sand Crabs, er, Civilians (sorry about my 1970's Navy language) as you know want to be pampered and "taken care of". Flying a C130 or C141 (lol) with nylon strap sling seats, no windows, & mandatory use of hearing protection would be the very antithesis of passenger comfort for some of those fancy-pants high-government grade civilian workers.

[@chairbornefobbit]

Came here to say this. The type of person talent-wise they want to recruit to work there won't be interested in living in the middle of nowhere for years on end. The security lines to get onto most major military installations of just their regular personnel can be terribly slow. Much better for people's commute times and sanity to have their own discreet and private checkpoint for the first reason. If their quality of life gets too low with a hellish commute, they'll quit and have no trouble finding work elsewhere.

[@silasmayes7954]

C140 certainly isn't comfortable, but I don't see an issue flying in one for 1 hour (to and back). Certainly not dramaticly more comfortable than the smaller aircraft used by Janet. Although really it's probably the practicality with getting in and out of a military base.

[@DrDeuteron]

The bases I’ve been on are pretty chill, as a civilian with government plates and a PIV2. I even drove on to one with a belt of tracer amo bouncing on the road behind my trailer.

[@philuribe7863]

I would have thought getting into the "secret" JANET terminal at McCarrin is just as much a hassle as getting into Nellis - they are both military-controlled areas that would require you to have/show the correct credentials. No?

[@1970DAH]

My two cents, and this is pure speculation on my part: If a large group of civilians drove to and from Nellis at the time of Janet flights, it would probably be easy for foreign agents to start following them as the left Nellis. At McCarrin there are just so many people that they just blend in with the crowd.

[@LoydChampion]

Traveling on Janet Air is pretty basic. I've only had 4 trips on Janet Air, and the longer flights they actually gave you a little bottle of water! They fly people to 6 different destinations, and sometimes they do a loop depending on the current projects. They also have some regular daily flights from Dreamland to LAS. Why LAS? Don't know, but they have a good simple operation there with all of the proper security in place. You are correct, the 600's are small and powerful. They seem to fly like a little hot rod. It was also my impression that the pilots and flight crews are all former military aviators.

[@Three_Random_Words]

NO 'Fight Club' rules either I guess?

[@LoydChampion]

@@Three_Random_Words LOL....

[@d.b.cooper1]

LAS/ Vegas is their hub for planes with their own terminal. Also a key hub allowing people to fly in from anywhere in the country quicker than military flights with more flexibility. Even if many live in the Las Vegas suburbs they’ll always fly in as no one ever drives in.

[@Three_Random_Words]

​@@d.b.cooper1 Do'h, now that makes sense too. As does the thread starters post. Mr Cooper, isn't it a shame they don't use the 727 instead, then they could air drop parachute equipped passengers of the back stairs and Janet could make a speedy return to Harry McCarry. Parafoils of course, then each can glide directly to their various hanger shops.

[@Three_Random_Words]

There's also a school bus that has been seen in nearby towns and observed heading towards Homey. Must be for workers living in Crystal/Ash Springs/Alamo/Rachel area? I can't remember if the windows are blacked out. iirc, someone got too nosy and close to the parked bus and the sheriff drove up to hassle them.

[@tedferkin]

As a person who has been through the DV clearance for the UK (Direct Vetting), the interview questions sound like a similar process. Basically the questions are not about saying you must have only X sexual preference, its about revealing anything that might be used to blackmail you into working for a foreign power. Basically you, and you partner (and also any other close family members) will be asked some really personal questions, which you must answer truthfully (the interviewers are experts in telling if people are lying). Once answered those answers are all written up and given to your partner and your boss, at minimum. Basically, you have nothing to hide, nothing that can be used against you. "Hey, spy for us or we'll tell your wife about that affair you had at the conference 5 years ago" or "spy for us or we'll tell your parents you used to do drugs as a teenager". That sort of thing

[@monolabmusicstudio2373]

Always enjoyable, very informative, and super interesting. Thank you Petter !

[@MentourNow]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@kurtvanluven9351]

Who is "Petter"?

[@cooperised]

​@@kurtvanluven9351Um... the guy who makes all these videos?

[@sailaab]

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[@ddc163264]

As someone who's been station at Nellis and Edward's among others and had other experience related to this place. One major reason that they don't fly out of Nellis is that using civilian sites has a different appearance and they have a different ID and security system than what is used at Nellis. As they're mixed with other corporate and private arrivals and departure passengers, it's much easier to "hide in plain sight". As it's no longer secret Groom was the initial base for the F-117A before deployment. As for what goes on there now, there are MANY things that are tested there, both fro the past and for the future. It was an honor to have even limited access for a brief moment in time. Because even with a very high security clearance, at that base you don't get the run of the base. Just like Edwards. There is security levels within other levels that don't get talked about what they are, who has them and how to get them. Many people flying on that aircraft don't even know what the other people do there. Other than they all go there to work or have some reason to be on the flight.

[@whiskey6string]

Great video. Love the lighthearted approach. A nice change of pace. Of course very informative, as usual!

[@MentourNow]

Glad you liked it!

[@Istandby666]

My biological father worked on the F-117, the B-2, Orca, Grease Lightning, the YF-118G (Bird of Prey), Ghost Buster (a B-52), the YF-23 and other craft at Groom Lake and Edwards Air Force Base. When Ghost Buster was at Edwards Air Force Base, my older biological brother and I got to sit in Ghost Buster. Growing up in the world of Above Top Secret gave us a great life. Edwards Dryden NASA worked with our personal airplane because it accidentally got painted with RAM paint from a government auction of Rockwell in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Our airplane is also the only personal private airplane to get clearance to land at Groom Lake.

[@jmi5969]

9:50 EG&G an inconspicuous name?! Really. Some 35 years ago yours truly was studying, among others things, EG&G optoelectronics. Their civilian products were classroom stuff - on the other side of the globe, in what was then the Soviet Union. The Perkin Elmer (part of EG&G) brochures are still on my essential reading list.

[@jasonatkins1467]

Fantastic content with enjoyable and professional presentation.. Yet again!

[@MentourNow]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@argonx666]

I've had security clearance before, having worked as a contractor for companies with DoD contracts. The one question I remember from the background check I found humorous and strange was "were you born a male before 1957?" And many other strange and redundant questions. Always interesting work I had the privilege to experience.

[@sarge420]

I was honored to fly on the Janet flights from 1985-89. I had the Mon-Thur schedule. Great times working on the F-117A and other projects. S4 was down the road. -Ret USAF

[@MS-37]

Tonopah?

[@sarge420]

@@MS-37 TTR for 8mos then moved to 51 for 3.2yrs

[@nejcskrbec2793]

So S4 is real?

[@russellrattys6581]

Possibly the reason janet operates from a commercial airport is down to logistics, would air force fighter jet equipment fit an airliner, like the refueling tankers and air starter packs? With the janet jets being civil aircraft at the end of the day, would they find it easier to find engineers to repair the aircraft on a civilian airfield? As you also said, it could be the case of checking in to the airport, and going through security, if you checked in at an air force base, they would have to take on extra staff at the air force base to screen all the passengers, where operating from a civilian airfield, only the existing cabin crew would be needed to security screen the passengers perhaps? I watched tv shows about area 51, where they would wheel cardboard cutouts painted black of randomly shaped aircraft from a hangar to the apron, and tie them to eyelets in the ground when they knew the soviets were going to do a fly-over and take ariel photographs, to confuse the soviets, they would park the lockheed blackbird between the cardboard cutouts if it had to be outside, so that the soviets didnt really know which shape was a real aircraft and which wasnt Theres a mission on microsoft flight simulator where you fly a janet jet from las vegas airport to area 51, and theres a point where the Ai pilot changes the callsign and turns off the transponder, at the same time as switching ti a communication radio on military frequencies, but im guessing thats not the case, as after all, its a civilian aircraft, and i wouldn't have thought they would have bothered retro fitting friend or foe transponders or military communication radios Flying aircraft in rather than say driving busses full of staff, and lorries with cargo would be easier in some ways, the terrain around area 51 looks harsh, and would likely deteriorate vehicles quicker than an aircraft landing on a runway One interesting question i have is, if the janet jets fly at 15,000 feet or below, do they require the cabin to be pressurised, if not, does this have an impact on the amount of cycles allowed between D checks?

[@disorganizedorg]

[Possibly the reason janet operates from a commercial airport is down to logistics, would air force fighter jet equipment fit an airliner, like the refueling tankers and air starter packs?] Excluding fighters, Many of the airframes of larger military aircraft have a lot of commonality with commercial airliners. Suitable access stairs and other ancillary equipment is probably already available at any military airfield, and the military would not be shy about spending several million dollars to upgrade facilities if they thought it necessary. In particular, since the retirement of the SR-71 I think everything burns either LL100 or JP-4. Possibly the fittings differ, but that seems easy to retrofit.

[@DRIFTORDIE]

The reason for JANET being at McCarran vs Nellis was due to location. McCarran served residents at the southern and eastern most part of the Valley. Whereas those who lived further north and west, rode a bus from US95 near Ann Rd. to the test site which was much closer than Groom lake.

[@MentourPilot]

Perfect! Thank you

[@christhorney]

That plane must be a blast to fly, I bet they get to fly it empty a lot too. That would make an ideal RC scale plane with the big tail and short body it would fly great

[@nurrizadjatmiko21]

It's also interesting to learn that Janet at the time operates 12 Boeing 737-200 and now Janet only has 6 aircraft and all are now 737-600 which is as of now, only 15 Boeing 737-600 are still in active service by just 4 operators. I never flown on the -600 but i did on the -200. I only flown onboard the -200 once when i was young back in March 2013 flying Semarang back home to Jakarta, Indonesia with Sriwijaya Air. Yes the airline that you actually talk about almost a year ago in a Sriwijaya Flight 182 video on your other channel did operate a total of 16 Boeing 737-200 and at the time of my flight in March 2013, Sriwijaya Air only has 6 737-200s because 5 months later in August 2013, the airline has complete phasing out all of it's Boeing 737-200 fleet with plans to replace it's entire Boeing 737 Classic fleet with the 10 Boeing 737 Next Generation aircraft it had on order at the time.

[@greyjay9202]

In many cases, base security officers will turn simple trespassers over to the county sheriff, unless of course there is evidence of unauthorized activity or espionage, in which case the FBI will get involved. Nevada route 375 touches one corner of the northern end of area 51, but there is no public access, and there are warnings to that effect. Any attempt to breach the base perimeter, by a number of people, would elicit a massive law enforcement response by military security, Federal officers, and local and state police. Don't even think about it.

[@timblack33]

Staying at Mandalay Bay it was really neat watching these old birds doing their thing

[@CharlesTysonYerkesOfficial]

"This is a video about bricks" If you know, you know.

[@MarcioMarsiglia]

Fantastic video!!! Thank's a Lot! ALL the best Mentor...

[@davidmarie]

Had one of those JANET 737s fly right over the car last time I was in Vegas. Was very curious about what airline it was. As always, the best aviation channel on KZbin!!

[@johndoh5182]

A point about clearances. In the US they only last for the time you have a particular job that requires the clearance. This doesn't mean that if you need it again in a future position that there is once again a detailed investigation into who you are. They probably check minimal sources to make sure you haven't gotten in trouble with the law and that's about it. An initial screen is pretty thorough. What this means is you don't really hold a clearance unless you need it and it's removed when you leave that job. It's just a technical detail and doesn't really get in the way of people getting clearances when they need one again, but you can run into issues if these clearances were never removed, so that's why it works this way.

[@cristiancasabella4410]

So when you lose the clearance, you are free to spell the beens to everybody else?

[@livethefuture2492]

I love how informative and unbiased your presentation is. In an era of rampant speculation and sensationalism you are here to present us with the facts and i appreciate this channel immensly for that. This channel is truly a gem for us aviation enthusiasts who share the same passion for all things aviation as im sure you do too!

[@bagoistvan3182]

.😌😌😌...i don't belive this...Peter talking about Area 51...This is fantastic !!! Thanx Peter.😅😅😅

[@NelsonBrown]

Commuting to work can be a real pain (shows a quiet urban street). Was there no 405 gridlock footage in the stock bin? 😂

[@jeromethiel4323]

2 minutes in on the video, and i am thinking SR-71. If this was a modern NOTAM, then not the SR-71 but an equivalently fast aircraft. I know a lot of nations are working on hypersonic equipment, and that kind of stuff really only works at high altitude.

[@larrybremer4930]

This is only speculation, but I suspect they fly from a commercial airport instead of Nellis because they are flying commuters who need to be able to get from car to plane quickly. At Nellis they would have to pass the base gate security, then drive to a lot that wont be near the airfield and be moved (likely by bus) to the airfield to board planes where at KLAS they can park near the flight line, be vetted for identity by security at the Janet terminal, and walk onto the plane. This makes the commute time less of a burden on the workers as I am sure its not easy to find people that want to work at such a remote place along with possibly a Yankee White background check to further deter potential applicants.

[@planetcrypto8662]

Interesting research. Thanks for sharing!

[@phoenixexploration3301.1]

JANET: "Just A 'Nother Non Existant Transport".

[@melisegerber1350]

Just a comment on those government contractors with generic names. EG&G, URS and AECOM are essentially the same company. I don’t know much about EG&G, but apparently it was purchased and became a subsidiary of URS, which was then purchased by AECOM. Both URS and AECOM specialize(d) in the design and construction of buildings, structures, infrastructure, etc. Amentum is another firm specializing in design and construction. This industry (my industry) has always had a strong relationship with the military because they need to build lots of things. And often the builders are also tasked with managing the ongoing functions of those facilities-maintenance and upgrades being a major part of facility management. By no means do I disagree that these firms could have employees who work or worked at someplace like Area 51; I am in the LA area, and Vegas is just a short hop away. But when I heard the contractor names you listed, everything took on a much more prosaic tone for me, so I thought I would share with you and your audience.

[@DERP_Squad]

Sexual Behaviour means affairs and kinks. They don't care if you're having an affair or have a proclivity for vegetables in unmentionable places. They only care if someone would be able to use it as a way of blackmailing the potential employee into undermining security. They will already know the answers to the questions they ask during the security vetting, what they're checking is if you'll be open and honest with them.

[@boathousejoed1126]

Interesting tangent.

[@garyculver4345]

I was impressed by how quickly the Aloha Airlines decapitation fix was performed over a weekend, with a new line of rivets visible on a Monday morning ..

[@rainscratch]

Gotta watch out for those ET's. Santa could also be lurking in there.

[@gameoncats]

I worked with a Air Force officer who got selected to fly " Janet " I never saw him again 😢

[@garycosby8979]

Fascinating as always

[@ghost307]

If I'm taking civilians to a restricted facility, I don't see a need to take them to 1 military facility on the way to the second. Flying out of Reid means that there are no special issues with clearance at the south end of the trip. As to using JANET instead of letting people drive in, if you fly people to the classified facility there are no questions of someone getting dashcam footage or having contraband in the car (either deliberately or accidentally). It also makes perimeter security easier as there would be very few people trying to come through the gate.

[@kenbrown2808]

the sexual behavior question is related to the fact most espionage agencies consider a person who tends to pick up sexual partners in bars and tries to impress them with secret knowledge to be a gold mine.

[@MentourNow]

Ah the “honey trap”..

[@AdamKeele]

It’s so funny how people outside the military speculate on everything and usually go way overboard on the whats and whys. I wouldn’t be surprised if Janet wasn’t a girlfriend or wife of someone. People way overthink everything. What’s portrayed in movies and television is usually way off from reality. Hearing and seeing what people say about the Space Force though is next level insanity.

[@martir.7653]

6:28 Measuring distances in Meganewtons? What unit will the Americans think of next!

[@RobKinneySouthpaw]

In Flight Simulator X from the early 2000a there is a mission where you fly Janet into Groom Lake. Pretty fun.

[@pebblecups]

I wonder who does services on these 737s? Who drops the waste tanks and provides the potable water? Who cleans the galleys and hoovers the floors?

[@JessicoUomorosa]

Only real legends remember that fsx mission where you had to fly JANET from Las Vegas to Area 51

[@scotttild]

JANET the only airline to have a 100% on time departure record, the government sits for no one.

[@iamr4mi]

Can you make a video on the Iberia a346 overrun at Quito with the toliss a346

[@Istandby666]

Groom Lake does have buses to take workers to the base. The buses and JANET, all have curtains that are closed. So people trying to take pictures of the workers, can't.

[@tiladx]

How to become a pilot for JANET in 3 easy steps: 1. Become a commissioned officer in the US Air Force or US Navy. 2. Graduate flight school and select either the C-40 or P-8 as your platform; they are based on the 737-700 and 737-800, respectively, so you will already have the necessary type rating. 3. Fly for at least 8-10 years and wait for JANET to post flight crew openings.

[@theegg-viator4707]

😂 Gouge

[@Keenath]

I would guess that operating out of a public airport actually gives them MORE operational security than working out of Nellis. Most of the employees at 51 probably aren't military and wouldn't live on-base at Nellis, and a commute to the public airport is a lot less identifiable to any observers than somebody coming out to Nellis. There are lots of daily commuter flights out of an international airport, but identifying that a list of non-military people show up at Nellis right before Jenny takes off would maybe be a lot easier.

[@MrBookman78]

The likely reason they operate out of MacCarran (Harry Reid) and not Nellis is because they'd still need the same background check and to gain access to the base. They're civilians, after all, and it would slow things down even further. MacCarran is already set up as a primarily passenger facility, anyways and it's a common destination. In shoer, it's just easier to operate out of Vegas.

[@bluefish239]

I've always liked the proportions of the 600, it's kind of cute and pleasing to look at

[@cyclesingsleep]

Excellent...and, YES, do the Homey T-shirt!!! : )

[@plasmaburndeath]

I have also found it strange that at least in the past the workers being flown into Area 51, always dressed up like they were going on vacation. Seems like unusual part of the job, put on your tropical island attire and enjoy your flight and day.

[@seldoon_nemar]

The reason why they used the commercial airport, and not the Air Force Base, is because going to work at an Air Force Base raises a lot more questions than "yeah I work at the airport" They also have less chance to be intercepted by someone who thinks they have authority at the airforce base. They actually control the facilities now than on their own airbase because a few well placed handlers are the only people who will interact with them from the time they park to the time they land at work.

[@PhilosophyProf14]

I know you focus on current civilian aviation, but have you ever thought about covering the story of the Avro Arrow? Such a cool plane.

[@richardmartin6533]

JANET - Just Another Non-Existenting Terminal.

[@the-chillian]

At the time the U2 was designed, Lockheed's Skunk Works was actually located in Burbank, on the eastern side of BUR. It only moved to Palmdale in 1989. They also now have facilities in Fort Worth, Texas. Burbank was, and is, not especially remote. But then, Skunk Works originated during WWII and its first projects were nowhere neat as secretive.

[@johnkelley9877]

This was really interesting and something I did not know of. Thanks for sharing this.

[@1225KPH]

The Skunk Works was not located in Palmdale in 1955. The U2 was built at the Lockheed plant in Burbank. Same for the A12. The U2 was flown to Area 51 in cargo planes. The A12 was trucked to Area 51.

[@Ives-n1k]

It is impossible to feel grateful and depressed in the same moment.

[@disorganizedorg]

Apparently their security screening didn't catch the pilot responsible for the accident flight (he concealed his medical conditions, which he was required to communicate). You'd think that the screening would weed out people willing to do that.

[@therealajnelson]

This is a really cool episode Petter. Perhaps the start of a spooky series for Halloween 🎃🦇 lol? And 10:1 JANET was the name of the original pilot's wife haha 😅

[@LatitudeSky]

They don’t use AF bases for operations because many of the personnel are not AF. They work for civilian contractors. They live in and around Las Vegas. Using the setup they have allows it to be like any other job except the elevator to the office is a 737. Using their own terminal also allows them total security and access control at all times, and limits who would be coming there at all. It is a natural filter that keeps people out of the neighborhood, so to speak, long before they could walk up and accidentally ring the wrong doorbell. It's actually a smart way to do it. And they don't particularly bother to hide the JANET flights any more because basically there is not a darn thing anyone can do about it. So what if people know those planes or where they go. It's a big nothing. What they DO get very angry about is having the workers hassled at the Las Vegas Airport. Some reporters have tried to ambush people leaving that site and it's just a very bad idea. If you want to have lots of three-letter-agency dudes with no senses of humor in your face, that's a great way to do it. Don't do that.

[@rogerhargreaves2272]

What a fascinating video, thank you Petter. I think the reason JANET uses Harry Reid and not Nellis is it’s simply more convenient.

[@sthomas6369]

My understanding was that, among other things, Area 51 was used as a US military nuclear waste storage/disposal site. I also recall that some "nuclear rocket" designs were tested there, ones that were extremely dirty from a radiation standpoint. I've heard most recently that it was used for radar testing of stealth aircraft. My understanding is that the DoD is happy to have people speculate about UFOs and aliens because it distracts from what they're really doing (and potentially from other, even MORE classified locations where even more dark projects are pursued).

[@rexswank6068]

I've worked on the "JANET" aircraft for the last 33 years in a commercial MRO facility. We have one of them completing heavy check now. Not a damn thing special about the aircraft. 🛫

[@mattross3346]

This was the best mission in FSX back in the day

[@googleisshittoss]

Not aviation related, but my sister applied as a typist in the UK foreign office (MI6) back in the late 1970's...They reduced her to tears at the very long, very personal interview...She didn't get the job...and that was just as a typist!

[@shugardad]

They used to have a bus that drove from Vegas to Area 51 and back for workers afraid to fly I believe?

[@egypthobby]

They also use buses for the employees that live in 'Alamo' and 'Rachel" (not far from the base), that are just as secretive.

[@MS-37]

Mondays through Friday King 350s fly constantly from LAX to Palmdale. (Plant 42) They’re probably workers for Northrop on the B-21

[@manifestgtr]

I’m sure JANET probably stands for “joint army navy employee transport” or something along those lines. Seems like a lot of stuff relating to Area 51 involves “joint army navy” this and that.

[@steve3291]

Always been fascinated by JANET and would love to fly one.

[@grimreaper68600]

What an interesting and different video. Great job.b

[@MentourNow]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@trevorgwelch7412]

There are underground tunnels that take employees of JANET Airlines terminal to the Luxor then to Bellagio .... then to AREA-51 and beyond . Employees can park at the hotels then take the tunnels to McCarren .

[@vink6163]

If there were underground tunnels that take employees to Area 51 and beyond, then why would they bother flying the planes there? If anything, the daily flights just proves they don't have any underground tunnels.

[@dfoleyusa]

As a post script why McCarran (sorry as longtime Vegas resident it will always be McCarran to me) it’s much more convenient to commute to from around the valley from all points and given that employees likely live from Green Valley to Summerlin to North Las Vegas it is the most logical choice. Nellis is simply not in a convenient spot and up until recently was fairly isolated until Vegas exploded in population and began to surround Nellis AFB as the Vegas valley fills in with homes.

[@jamesborden4805]

Fantastic job. Your command of English is commendable. I think it was Barnes himself who said JANET is the randomly chosen name of one of the workers wife!

[@The_ZeroLine]

Bob Lazar can tell you all about JANET.

[@TheAngrySecurityGuardChannel]

Out of all the “secret” military installations and others within the US, I always find it funny and odd that its only Area 51 that gets all the attention than others.

[@gary9693]

And if they only knew what really happens at all the ones that are not public , but are hiding in plain sight.

[@willarddevoe5893]

The Bobby 600 has it's own version of the CFM 56 motor. It produces less power and uses less fuel. They are excellent regional jets and can be flown slower and farther than any Bobby version. Since Westjet and Scandinavian pulled the plug on 600's, it's possible that Zambezi Air and Janet are the only owners of this plane.

[@CarlosMartinsPT]

Super interesting video! Best I watched on Area 51. Like the humour parts too 😂

[@rogerpenske2411]

I lived in Las Vegas for a while and the neighborhood that I lived in was just south of McCarran airport. I would drive northbound on Eastern Avenue, the eastern boundary of McCarran airport, and would see these planes take off all the time at around 6:45 in the morning. They are parked up in the north east corner of the airport grounds, right there at the Las Vegas strip just south of Tropicana. Other people have posted this, but I can confirm, that these flights were civilian engineers technicians, and for all I know, people to clean the toilets. there is no civilian population, except for Rachel, Nevada. A small town with a small hotel and restaurant, called The Little Alie Inn. The flights also went to Tonopah, and probably other bases north of Las Vegas, as well.

[@CARS-PEOPLE]

The model 600 was choosen because nobody else wanted it and prices were attactive among other considerations

[@mickyday2008]

I watched these planes coming and going from my window The Tropicana Hotel in Las Vegas. Fascinating

[@aaroneisengart9887]

I used to go to school in vegas, and at the airport i would see airforce tanker planes at mccaran Airport. In addition to the janet planes.

[@Dylan.Donovan]

Definitely testing the darkstar