The Secret Behind This Golf Myth Will Change Your Game (Golf MythBusters)

[@GolfBusters]

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[@Yiladan]

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[@GolfBusters]

Thanks so much! Comments always mean a lot on a video you spend a lot of time on, hope the Mevo+ has been great!

[@Paschendale2]

I've always thought it's best to swing hard and far when you're brand new and starting out, then dial it back 10-15% when you start to hit the club face consistently so you can get more accuracy. Learning to swing softer later in life is easier than learning to swing harder imo. I've lost ~5-10 yards with every club since I started dialing it back but I rarely shoot worse than 80 anymore. I don't need 300+ yard drives at most of the public courses here, but everyone's situation is obviously different. For me, swinging harder doesn't make the ball go further though. It just goes higher and spins more, making it balloon in the wind more lol.

[@Logan_Golf]

I always full swing it does not matter if the fairway is 15 yards

[@GolfBusters]

Always gotta send it

[@darylhoskins5696]

As do I !

[@joeluis98]

This was done on a monitor. Fairways vary in width and hazards, which can make an off line shot recovery much more difficult. Test your theory out on the course, then compare.

[@falloutboy7778]

Funny thing is. If Ryan goes full out at Maple Hill. He's over driving everything but the par 5s lol

[@brettpowers7]

Jock needs the first guys driver spec's and first guy needs his.

[@jamestiltman8674]

24 yards off line with driver is a great drive. To any height handy caps, don’t swing all out on your shots. Get it on the fairway and that will improve your approach. Drive for show and putt for doe.

[@-Thunder]

I'm guessing it comes down to what you spend the most reps grooving because the timing is so important. If you usually swing close to full out and the switch up to "smooth" you're probably going to be less accurate. And vice-versa.

[@richdarlowgolf]

I often find that when I’m swinging faster the ball flight straightens out or draws compared to my soft swing fade, I’m swinging for the fences from now on guys! Great vid 💣🔥🔥

[@honuputters1891]

When you swing as fast as you can, you have to stay pretty much in the center of your balance otherwise you will fall down. Your brain is really good at preventing you from falling down. That tends to get things lined up. When you swing slow, you have a lot more wiggle room to sway. If you swing really easy, you can sort of make contact with the ball in a lot of different positions relative to your body. Swinging hard tends to show you exactly where the ball should (has to) be in order to make contact. When I want to really rip it, the key for me to hit it straight is to give myself a little extra time at the top of the backswing to make sure things can stay in sequence.

[@jacobgallaugher]

What did we learn? Full Out takes too much out of you to maintain for a full 18 let alone a tournament 3-4 rounds. Just keep it stock.

[@ZahraIsMyDog]

Again, the problem is most golfers don’t know how to swing all out. Their sequence becomes way out of order.

[@scifisicko2390]

Hitting 10 balls in 2 minutes is so different to hitting 1 ball every 5 minutes.

[@EnvirotekCleaningSystems]

Getting rid of the slice or the fades off the Tee, and turning the ball over for a slight draw will add a lot more yards than club head speed. The All-State Basketballer would have gained a lot more distance off the Tee if he could get rid of that slice. I know. I had to re-name my slice to fade just as a mental thing until I could learn to stop hitting the ball with the club open. AND one of the best ways to overcome that, is by not really slow down the club head, but instead trying to be smoother. If you study the golf swing, you will find that harder does not equal faster. Faster is a combination of being loose and being able to cross your hands over quickly with great timing. You can generate clubhead speed a lot faster with the motion of the wrists than the dropping/ pulling down of your arms. If you don't believe me, get your driver and set up with the driver at the point in your swing where you start to turn your wrists over and just flip them over and see how far the club head moves by doing nothing but flipping your wrists. Then go to the range and hit some ball like that. Don't make a full swing, just use your wrists to flip the club. Just set up and arc the club ~12" behind the ball to 12" in front and see how far they go. Besides we would all be able to play until we are old men if we swung like Fred Couples vs swinging like Tiger. I've had 3 back surgeries and need at least 2 more. Another lower and an upper to hopefully just be able to play again, and I swung like an asshole when I was younger. It is not surprising to me that Tiger has had so many back issues. If you are hitting the ball with the club open due to timing, ball placement, coming over the top, or any of a hundred other reasons, swinging harder is just going to multiply the end result not improve it. Plus how many times have you been in between clubs on the approach and decided to hit the longer iron with a smooth easy swing and completely flew the green? That is the real tell.

[@honuputters1891]

Wrist flip gets you a lot of easy speed at the low end, but it is hard to coordinate with other motions once you get into the higher speed ranges. Not only does wrist flip move the club fast, it also changes the face angle rapidly.

[@divotdudes]

Great video dude!

[@EHUDPOWER]

Wonder how this be if they were under pressure like on the course golf shot? Driving range shots gives them no pressure to keep it in there and won’t cause miss hits as frequently. Love the set up and do you work at Maple Hills? I think you sold me some clubs!

[@GolfBusters]

I don’t work there!

[@GolfBusters]

But I agree I think pressure could help the situation!

[@JPStandifer]

I've never been able to hit driver. Often tee off with a low iron. Watched this video last night, went out today and said fuck it, I'll swing driver and I'll swing it hard. FIR at like 230+ yards probably 7 times. I couldn't believe it 🤣🤣🤣

[@GolfBusters]

Aim to the right spot and SEND IT

[@dso1986]

Everyone knows swinging for 20 extra yards really gets you 48 yards offline not 24 lol

[@nic6754]

It's easy 69% of 47 golf shots are 39% 3 yards extra plus 7 when swinging at 107% of a stock swing minus 26mph and then you'll never miss your target line.😂😂

[@GolfBusters]

100%

[@ahastar1141]

I do think this would have been a better experiment on course. I know it would be tough to do but mentally having real hazard and consequences would add a little pressure to the situation and may create a bigger variance in misses

[@GolfBusters]

Agreed! Courses weren’t open yet but I would love to re run the test outdoors

[@coolclint88]

Great episode.

[@GolfBusters]

Thanks!

[@ChrisKrugerGolf]

Great video. I’d love to see this done with irons as well.

[@GolfBusters]

Great idea! Will do it next time!

[@sethnorthern711]

Great video! Interesting look at an age-old bit of advice to "swing slower" through empirical data.

[@DrPapa14]

I play to score but i also swing to get some distance. At 54, i still try to swing out of my shoes and always want to out drive the young guys. My thought is “swing hard and find it later”. Great video. Love Maple Hill!!!!

[@GolfBusters]

Thank for the comment! And I agree you gotta out drive the young guys any chance you get,

[@stephenkaake7016]

I created a way to hit straight drives, its lowering my body, leaning back, although 3wood is the better option

[@Ifishmo]

Say you swing your driver at 110 mph, stock swing. If you tried to swing it as fast as possible and still make contact with the ball you might be able to get up to 115 mph max. Swinging it 'nice and easy' will net you about 105. When PGA pro's say they're swing at 85% does NOT mean 85% of their max speed, it's most likely about 5 mph slower than their managable top speed. For anyone interested in this or doubting it, go swing on a launch monitor, see for your self. The mechanics, tempo of your swing really dictate your swing speed (coupled with baseline strength). I can swing with what 'feels' like 200% more effort than my stock swing but it only nets 5% max more speed (usually a bit less). Swinging at your comfortable max usually provides the most constistent everything (path/speed/delivery etc).

[@Ifishmo]

This is also assuming you actually 'have a swing' and not just winging it. ie. you understand the fundamentals of the golf swing, club shaft/head on plane etc. This video, showing ryan going at it with very impressive high MPH speeds, also shows him miss crazy left/right, which equals lost balls/more strokes. So, assuming you can swing out of your shoes and NOT lose balls, go for it all day/every day. But if it leads to lost balls, or topped shots....stop, make good contact before you release the beast and try to hit homeruns.

[@Ifishmo]

Also note, no offense meant, but these guy's swings are NOT fundamentally 'good' swings, not on plane, terrible path, backswings all over the place. Trying to use 'strokes gained' with these 3 (as far as 'distance equals less strokes') is just not a good application of this model. Put water/OB on the right side of the tee-box, then tell them to 'Tee it high and let it fly!' and see what happens (ie. lost ball, sliced to the moon, topped duck hook, mental debt, bad round, poor course management)

[@mattdaniels6430]

@@Ifishmo Good comments. same thing went through my head - those numbers have to be taken into context. Everybody works differently and while one persons swing gets "better" by adding force another players swing falls apart when speed is applied. I am also not sure about using averages in this context. Not that I have a better idea to do it but a ball in the deep rough or OB is way worse for your score than having 20 yards less for your next shot, isn't it? A lost shot is gone forever, 20 yards behinds can be overcome and theres more than enough that can go wrong with your shot whether you are 20 nearer or further away.

[@Logan_Golf]

First

[@jeffgeesaman4386]

love the content. One suggestion. Turn the music off so we can hear you better

[@Nate100]

Will be smashing 100% from now on thank you

[@GolfBusters]

Always gotta send it

[@almond5051]

Do what you practice, don’t swing hard on the course if you don’t have the timing down from previous reps

[@perryplaysgolf]

I keep seeing Ryan’s “Miami valley gaming” hat…are you guys from Ohio?! I work for Miami valley golf association

[@GolfBusters]

Ryan’s from florida!

[@edgardo.gutierrez]

This is likely too small of a sample size there there is likely bias in the power of swing they regularly practice at. I like the idea but 3 shots per perceived power isn’t enough.

[@GolfBusters]

We took 30 per person I believe for each shot type.

[@edgardo.gutierrez]

I stand corrected! 👍🏻

[@EagleSchoolA]

10:44 dude is swinging in dudes

[@friedsensei]

Hitting it 30 yards closer to the hole even if you miss the fairway is obviously a better strategy on paper. However, this goes out the window if you hit the ball OB. Even more so if you actually follow the penalty rules.

[@GolfBusters]

That’s a good point, it’s hard to put real world pressure on a test like this but hopefully knowing the numbers helps you to not be as scared of the OB shot since you know in the long run what the results should be

[@friedsensei]

@@GolfBusters the strategy only works if you have also eliminated the duck hook and slice entirely from your game. 3 off the tee isn't worth any amount of extra yardage. If you play with a 1 penalty drop and take your 3rd shot where the ball went OB the strategy is still valid, but those aren't the rules. Yes, my friends hate me.

[@DecadenceBeyond12]

Ryan needs to get fitted for a driver ASAP! Can't imagine the difference he will see once the numbers are dialed from a proper head and shaft.

[@GolfBusters]

We have a fitting video coming up!

[@Cookstanza]

Shoutout Maple Hill!!

[@GolfBusters]

LETS GOOO

[@DNRBollywood]

Just curoius, why isn't Jock's club head speed not on there?

[@GolfBusters]

The skytrak doesn’t show up on gspro so it’s on another monitor.

[@scoff00]

Do you think Ryan’s full out swing would net out even better if he used a driver optimized for that swing?

[@GolfBusters]

Yes I do!

[@chachichochacorta8577]

Here's another myth that I'm sure these gentlemen have dispelled before. Golfers who say they are swing at 80% are not really swinging at 80%. It's more like in the low to mid 90s percentage. Think about it: Dustin Johnson swings at about 120 mph. If he then swings at 80%, then that means he would be swing the driver at 96 mph. That's below LPGA swing speeds! How about the other way? If Dustin's 120 mph is 80% of his full swing, then that means his all-out full swing is at a whopping 150 mph! At a TaylorMade competition on KZbin, I believe the highest he got was 127 mph. Rory McIlroy matched that speed. And if you watch any of the tips on Golf Pass, you will see how they say nonsensical things like, "I'm swinging at 50%." Um, no. You're not. You're so-called 50% swing is closer to 75 or 80%. If you have a 100 mph swing and you swing at 50%, then you will be swinging a driver only 50 mph. The ball will barely get off the ground!

[@GolfBusters]

100%

[@mattdaniels6430]

I think, what they mean is swinging with 80% of the effort.

[@chachichochacorta8577]

@@mattdaniels6430 Yes, I've heard that argument before. But how do you quantify 80% of the effort? The only way that I've heard it done is through swing speed. What other way would you suggest we quantify effort?

[@mattdaniels6430]

@@chachichochacorta8577 It is tricky I agree. I always understood it in a way of how far away it is from your max effort. It is probably very difficult to quantify, maybe with 3d measuring or/force plates. I just wanted to note, that this 80% thing isnt some myth and while your observation is correct, your conclusions are built on the premise that effort = club head speed. And while that in itself is a topic worth talking about, I am pretty sure, it isn't what this "swing at 80%" is all about. Because, as you suggest, the correlation between effort and speed certainly isnt linear.

[@chachichochacorta8577]

@@mattdaniels6430 You make good points.

[@ericb9994]

nice video

[@Koboltgolf]

Jock, I shouldn’t pick on ur swing BUT why aren’t you trying to stretch out your arms through impact and in the follow through? my guess is that you have ALOT to gain there… anyway, really nice channel u have !

[@GolfBusters]

I was going through a phase gustav, I don’t wanna talk about it

[@GolfBusters]

But actually I saw some people finish their follow through like that and thought it looked cool and then realized it didn’t look cool when I did it

[@Koboltgolf]

@@GolfBusters ive seen you swing like that for a long while. And hey! Who am I to judge that. We are about the same hcp and we all have our quirky little ways to do it. But for my untrained eye it looks like you need to stretch things out and swing freely. Take it with a huge bit of salt

[@GolfBusters]

@Koboltgolf part of that might be the fact my right arm won’t go straight, dislocated elbow in high school.

[@Koboltgolf]

@@GolfBusters alright. And with a 300 yard drive and a decent game I guess it’s just a vanity thing to change things. I was just curious about it, it does look unorthodox, sorry for might giving you secondary thoughts :)

[@justburnin]

Love this analysis. But it misses one key thing the mental breakdown you have when you miss 25 yards out of bounds and can never recover.

[@GolfBusters]

That is a great point, I do think it helps to do the test and see the data because it can ease your mind when you do have those bad shots knowing your strategy is still optimal.

[@darts7116]

Swing hard incase you hit it.

[@GolfBusters]

100 percent the play

[@MrWubzHD2]

i mean i feel if you gave ryan a low spin driver his fast swing will have a lot more distance but a way worse average %.

[@GolfBusters]

That might be true, were going to get him fitted soon so it will be fun to test out!

[@MrMartwy]

Although I like this test, it is not relevant enough. The AVERAGE deviation or distance does not matter. On a golf course, you have ONE shot. You need to hit it straight and you need to hit it far enough. You don't have several tries. Go play a few rounds sticking to the one type of a shot and you will see.

[@GolfBusters]

I would say it’s more about giving confidence in committing to a swing if you know what the numbers should be in the long run.

[@MrMartwy]

@@GolfBusters For mr it is the same problem as fitting for irons hitting 7 iron 60 times. If you give me enough tries I will hit decent shots with any club...

[@legibby]

His name is Jock Buffton.

[@GolfBusters]

That’s right

[@nickschwear1610]

Find it a bit egotistical to use total yardage in your comparisons when we all know total yardage is fully dependent on conditions and environment. Should be showing us the carry yardage only. You’re not getting 40 yards of rollout on most courses lol

[@GolfBusters]

This is a good comment, for the study it said to use total yardage and the total yardage on the simulator should be a good base point.

[@douglastaylor43]

Full out all the time.

[@GolfBusters]

100%

[@colinsnyder3855]

Do it on a real course

[@GolfBusters]

We should I agree

[@chrisdownes2146]

You dont play golf on a simulator, you play golf on a golf course, this test is meaningless for golf

[@scharlescheck]

Dude, your name is Jock Buffton!? Classic Back to the Future Villain

[@GolfBusters]

💯

[@BrandonONeal-wv2cb]

Swing as hard as you want…as long as your balanced and hit the middle of the face

[@GolfBusters]

💯

[@marktheblake]

No idea how that first golfer had 8mph clubhead speed in reserve... thats a lot. I go flat out and cant even get 2mph more. BTW he needs to work on his smash factor, 1.42 is shockingly poor.

[@James_Vaughn]

I've found for myself that being more agressive with driver gives me the best results, by and large.

[@Grunt21Tennessee]

Great video!

[@GolfBusters]

Thank you! I spent a lot of time on it!

[@michaelt7805]

I just set up my sim and I'm realizing how important smash factor is. It's not easy to get the 1.5. Anything above a 1.3 feels pretty good but when you hit a 1.4 or better you know it instantly. Thanks for the great videos and shrinking my learning curve. I'll be sending the pics of my sim next week when I get back.

[@GolfBusters]

Agreed, smash factor is such a good number to let you know how well your hitting the golf ball. Excited to see your sim!

[@interestedbystander196]

Your stock swing becomes your stock swing because it is the one you turn to most often. It is your "stock shot". It is reliable. However, your stock shot would probably be different to the next guy's stock shot...

[@GolfBusters]

great comment!