The Secret Numbers Station That Got Scared

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01 Tyrolean Music Station Recordings:
• Zahlensender/Number St...
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• Tyrolean Music Station

[@shodan2958]

The music playing gives a real a competitor to the East German "gongs station" that disappeared shortly before reunification, and the recordings of those are unintentionally creepy as hell.

[@shodan2958]

@@fungo6631 The explanation I've been given is the recording was most likely on reel to reel tape and it degraded over the years as presumably it got worn from repeated (probably almost daily) usage. It adds up I guess.

[@g4lmn-ron401]

I remember listening on 6Mhz when I first got interested in SW listening, there was a lot of odd signals around in the 1970s. I miss those times.

[@dryadmusic]

Sometime in the late 70s I used to regularly listen to shortwave stations and remember hearing number stations. Once, I tuned into to a station that was broadcasting a man screaming in what sounded like extreme pain. Coincidentally, many years later, a friend of mine (who I didn't know until 1983) told me that he also used to listen to shortwave around the same time and also heard the same screaming. I can only imagine it was a spy who was caught in the act of broadcasting his information, and was tortured and 'used' in this way to send a grim warning to whoever the man spied for. His screams still haunt me to this day.

[@perunewelpaternain2632]

That's messed up.

[@CAL1MBO]

I don't personally believe this story, but that's eerie as can be haha. Good one

[@dryadmusic]

@@CAL1MBO Suit yourself, but I'm not in the habit of lying just to get attention. Perhaps it disturbs you so you choose not to believe it...but that's your choice.

[@pooticus2087]

@@dryadmusic you wouldnt happen to remember the signals?

[@dryadmusic]

@@pooticus2087 Do you mean frequency? If so, no I don't. It was around 1979.

[@mcgherkinstudios]

This is such a french station. German: 10749 10749 English: 20713 20713 French: LE HEN IS ABOUT TO LAY UNE EGG!!!

[@simonmason8582]

I think that there was some suggestion that the pirate Radio North Sea ship the MEBO 2 was used to broadcast a number station that used Tyrolean Music as a call sign. There was also some suggestion that the owners worked for the Stasi.

[@numberstation]

The tale of Radio North Sea International is a remarkable one, I think there’s some videos about it here on KZbin. Real drama on the high seas.

[@thisandthat871]

Deine deutsche Aussprache ist sehr gut Lewis❤ Most intruiging a new one on me mate thanks Just to sY I really appreciate the amount of research you must have done for the video it's remarkable you should be very proud 👍👍

[@RevMikeBlack]

Another great episode! I'm not surprised the French number station had organizational problems. If I'm not mistaken, the director of operations was a young French intelligence officer named Clouseau, who later became Chief Inspector of the Paris police detectives. Witnesses say he wasn't very bright.

[@adammoss5284]

especially if one of the messages was “does your dog bite?”

[@atlanticx100]

It would be great if some of these agents if still alive and safe would break cover. Just as some of the code breakers have done from World WW2. It would be a great asset to the history of communication.

[@mor4y]

I mean a couple of old folk in the UK did that, and we locked them up, so I wouldn't hold your breath I think one was a woman who had worked for the stasi, who just randomly announced it one day about a decade ago, I'd have to go dig the story out unless any other passing commenters can remember it before I do! :)

[@jean-lucpicard5510]

​@@mor4yif its the one I'm thinking of, she wasn't put in prison, as she was in her 80s. Probably Dead by now.

[@CRCinAU]

How on earth does someone claim a copyright over stuff that they recorded from a source that wasn't them? ie a recorded radio transmission. If that isn't misuse of the copyright system in KZbin, I don't know what is....

[@fermitupoupon1754]

It's most likely about the music in the broadcasts, not the actual broadcasts themselves. I'm just assuming that the French intelligence agency that allegedly made these broadcasts, did not file for permission to broadcast that record of the jodeling king. This would now likely fall under the purview of the GEMA, who are notoriously litigious, and who also care extremely little about fair use, like in this case of preserving a historical recording.

[@timetraveller6643]

This unauthorized recording of an illegal radio broadcast to enemy agents from a hostile power is protected by copyright law.

[@numberstation]

I suppose a defence to that would be that it’s not been possible to determine for certain the origin of G1’s transmissions, so it’s not possible to say for certain that it came from a hostile power or was intended for enemy agents.

[@RCAvhstape]

I think the composition it was used in is copyrighted.

[@jean-lucpicard5510]

Don't think he or I will lose sleep over it.

[@warmpondwater1610]

The KZbin channel SektorSiebenBlau has the Conet version posted, so a friend tells me. Zahlensender/Number Station "G01" ("Tyrolean Music Station") (F) (1971)

[@michaelnuk]

Awesome video as usual. Number stations are always fascinating

[@wisteela]

Fantastic. I've so got to sample that from the start for one of my tracks. I'm also going to see if I can find that album they used.

[@mfaizsyahmi]

How the heck can somebody claim copyright on numbers station broadcasts? Specific recordings I do get: if it's their antennae picking the signal off the air, their equipment demodulating the EM, their equipment putting the soundwaves on tape, then copies of that tape would be copyrighted. But other people could've done the same, and then each holds a copyright of the respective soundwaves on their respective tapes. Then surely some of those would've been put into public domain by now.

[@RCAvhstape]

If it's used as part of a copyrighted composition. If you made your own recording of the same signal you can do as wish.

[@Flipdrivel]

Excellent video (and German pronunciation!) but the idea of someone recording a radio transmission and then claiming copyright in the recording is absurd. There's no rights in pressing "record". If I record something off the BBC can I then prevent anyone else airing the same pirated recording on the grounds I somehow own it? If I photocopy a textbook or download an image do I have "copyright" in the results? Of course not, I'm the one committing an act of piracy. But given that the government that made the content is hardly going to sue, I think you'll be all right.

[@markaz2kk]

Listening to these from so long ago is amazing!

[@Simon_Rafferty]

Someone (another Ham) once told me the numbers etc were a red-herring. That the data was encoded in differences between the upper & lower sidebands. I don't know if it's true - but it kind of makes sense, hiding in plain sight. G7DMQ

[@user-co8uy5rb2s]

00:30-- the radio nerd in me is just fascinated with what appear to be all kinds of horizontal dipole antennas.

[@theposguy1435]

That's pretty neat i've never heard of that number station before

[@Teknophobe]

Enjoyed this, Lewis. Gratitude.

[@dickbrocke]

"Our hen is about to lay an egg" (about 4 minutes and a half in). I've done my research on this French "East German" number station too. Some of these messages WERE able to be deciphered (and translated to English for those who don't "speakin' de Deutsch"). The above-mentioned message mentioned in this clip reads as follows: "Our rooster is going to lay an egg".

[@mrfrog8502]

Excellent German pronunciation. Well done Lewis 👍

[@jonathankleinow2073]

I'm sure it's already been litigated to death, but it still confuses me how someone can copyright a recording of something broadcast by someone else. Seems like the copyright should be with the mysterious transmitter, not Akin Fernandez.

[@relwalretep]

Unless they have permission from the (C) owner... 🤔🤔🤔

[@bobroberts2371]

I think it has something to do with " If the recording comes from site X, then X claims the copyright under a body of work. If the recording comes from another source, site X does not have the CR." Also, apparently, there is a whole industry around people claiming CR then filing CR strikes through YT so they can get ad $$ .

[@mor4y]

​@Bob Roberts about a year ago the copyright thing on KZbin was crazy , a few prominent youtubers uploaded silent black videos to show how even they were hit by about a dozen claims each from dodgy companies trying to cash grab.

[@mfaizsyahmi]

@@bobroberts2371 its mind boggling how such blatant acts of fraud are just allowed to happen in the open, and the status quo is entirely standing by the fraudsters' side. Time to remind ourselves that it's not YT's copyright system that's broken, it's the world's (referencing Tom Scott's video)

[@absalomdraconis]

​@@fungo6631 : There was at least one occasion of impersonation of some major game company to get videos taken down, as I recall around the time said company was working up to a new release. In that case, the perp got sued by the company.

[@blu3_enjoy]

Makes me think of "Farewell" case. Very interesting

[@0therun1t21]

I would be so glued to this waiting for background noise.

[@myriaddsystems]

Another superb documentary

[@OxfordShortwaveLog]

Another great story told, Lewis!

[@RingwayManchester]

Thanks as always Clint

[@onesandzeros]

Thanks Lewis, very interesting. If that Stasi facility isn't the most ominous thing I've ever seen...

[@trespire]

Brutalist architecture.

[@adammoss5284]

Mielkesender...

[@fretlessfender]

Somehow those sentences remind me of the code messages used during WW2. Especially those used in.prelude to D-Day. Loose sentences without meaning to the ear of the enemy...

[@bradmiley]

Another excellent video Ringway! I'm a UK VHF/UHF Amateur, and an SWL since I was about 6, when my Uncle fixed up an old Pye valve set for me in the 70s. When CONET started, I got hold of a copy (which answered a lot of questions about old SW oddities!) and I loaned it to a friend of mine who creates Electronic Dance Music. He created an extended play single, I think around 14 minutes long, using and layering these samples. I used to play it a lot in the car - when in car CD players were a thing (remember those days?) and really enjoyed it. Like I said, it was never an album track, only a single. Since I know you to be a fan of the EDM yourself, I wonder if you might fancy a listen. It's good fun to try and see how many you can spot - and he's never committed to giving me the correct number of different numbers/spy stations. I think guessing is better than knowing anyway. Should you fancy a listen, I could maybe email you an MP3 version, if you drop me your address. As ever, excellent video - I love your vids on numbers/spies/oddities - your quality is always A1 and well-researched. Should you ever fancy a chat, I'm in the North myself, but more to the east of the "spine of the UK"! 73s, and keep up the top notch work! Brad.

[@carb0n22]

If you wouldn’t mind, I’d also like to hear it. I produce some music and has only been thinking the other day I should use number station samples

[@bradmiley]

@@carb0n22 Hello! Of course we could arrange that. Technically, I think this would be classed a "White Label", as it was made *for* me as a gift in, if I recall, around 2010ish. It was a one off single, never an album track, but I checked with him (just courtesy really!) and he's happy for you to have a listen. Like I said it's around 14 minutes or so, and has a more "stripped down" sound than he usually creates - so I could hear the samples 😀 How do I, you know, *get* it to you? It will be the MP3 version, but I recall it's a high bitrate (sounds great in the car as it's fully binaural - he's pretty obsessed with binaural sound so there you go). Any other questions or whatever, just fire away. Cheers, Brad.

[@Zanith50]

that be a funny plot in a movie ,someone making a dance track of numbers stations and it awakes sleeper agents in the club :P

[@bradmiley]

@@Zanith50 Oh it would! Ha ha!! The idea of all these people just dancing, then suddenly 30% of the crowd stands still a couple of seconds, and makes a bee line for the exits. As weapons slide almost from nowhere into their hands, they all split towards different embassies and legations! Fantastic. A bit like in that recent Bourne-based series... That would be some cool viewing! 👍

[@5Hydroxytryptophan]

How about uploading the track on YT? I think there are some people interested here. It would be appreciated.

[@MM0IMC]

6:33 I wonder if they paid royalties? 🤔😂

[@coral-ci6zx]

One of your best.

[@non-human3072]

How do you own a copyright of a mixed tape recorded off "free-to-air" broadcast?

[@Datznet]

I can tell you that the location was not "Burgin" but Burg, a town near Magdeburg in Saxony-Anhalt. The sentences were total nonsense. Their aim was to distract Western intelligence services and keep them busy trying to make any sense out of them. Very similar nonsense-messages had been embedded in popular music channels operated by the East-German Stasi, for the same reason, and to attract public listeners. It worked, many young people in the West listened to the Stasi radio, firstly because of their good brand new music mix (they didn't care about copyrights, of course), and because the frequently embedded eerie voice messages gave it a clandestine exciting touch.

[@snakezdewiggle6084]

That was cool, thankz. I've never heard anyone alud to the stations attempting to be purposely uninteresting, which is obvious if think about it. ;)

[@bac1111967]

Brilliant as usual. I love all this...

[@outaspaceman]

Wonder if I can get Franzl Lang’s hit tunes on CD..? 🤔

[@StrawberryKitten]

4:14 You CAN play it here... They cannot copyright it since they aren't the authors lol

[@RingwayManchester]

Well I CANT’T because I tried and got a copyright claim from the conet project

[@StrawberryKitten]

@@RingwayManchester They are abusing the system then.

[@highpath4776]

Hans, Nezzen, and BompsADaizy, we are going on a Cruise ?

[@bielanski2493]

What a lovely Hoch-Deutsch pronunciation you have!

[@stratojet94]

Ah tyrolean music station, one of my favorite. There was a conspiracy that those involved in the lockerbie bombing where broadcasting this to Stasi agents from Radio Nordsee Internationals platform, before it was revealed to be run by the French

[@markcancellara]

the same music was used on the UK game show "the price is right "

[@Bluelagoonstudios]

Sounds like Bavarian language, but then it has to be transmitted from Munich or in the neighborhood.

[@felixlohrer9600]

Rather sounds to me as the speaker lived in Alsace. That would fit to the theory the sender was operated by French.

[@herby4215]

The radar station of villa Benedetta, Livorno, Italy is very strange stories

[@NaoPb]

In the thumbnail for this video there is some sort of building or an antennae disguised as a building? What was that about? It kind of reminds me of those WWII forts at sea but different.

[@GuybrushThriftweed]

I was fascinated by it too😅 I believe it's Brockenhaus HWN 9

[@bobsoldrecords1503]

I was hoping you'd do a video about this station.

[@konstkarapanpro]

Didn't expect such good German accent

[@RingwayManchester]

Haha I tried!

[@karlament6939]

Wee- my kind of a radio station a yodel station sit at the control-room monitoring their big transmitter and having a few beers and a big-shot German Stein yodel yodel

[@miauwgabriel3547]

Imagine if the soviets would have responded to the broadcast from SDECE.

[@DavidPanda417]

The magazine may have been "Popular Communications".

[@railtech1536]

You pronounced the German very well.

[@w75525]

Please could you put some text on screen to indicate what the masts you're showing in the video are called? Edit: future videos I mean.

[@kabalu]

oh, eine Kuschelstation

[@TheOnlyInformant]

For some reason I want you to read numbers to me in a numbers station way

[@RingwayManchester]

😳

[@Cedrikkkk]

Damn, your German pronunciation is excellent!

[@RingwayManchester]

Thank you!

[@TheBlackob]

If no goverment ever acknowledged numbers stations, how do we know who operated them, like in this case?

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

@RingwayManchester >>> Great video...👍

[@tykjpelk]

It's hilarious to me that their method of staying inconspicuous was to blast Franzl Lang.

[@winstonchurchill6506]

Gutten tag to you as well

[@BarneySaysHi]

You speak German very well!

[@Mike-James]

Those type of spoken messages was used by the BBC in the 40s.

[@5roundsrapid263]

You’re not part German are you? Dein Sprechen ist fantastich!

[@RingwayManchester]

Nein, danke!

[@jasoncarswell7458]

Franzl is the man, he yodeled for freedom.

[@penerusluckyarul23n]

Secret Number

[@klhaldane]

Secret yodelling stations... They have to operate underground for fear of retaliation. But were they bad at running the station, or really good at looking amateur? "Nothing to see here, just somebody with one Tyrolean LP and a level 1 German phrasebook".

[@drahtfunker]

Your german pronunciation 💪🏻

[@RingwayManchester]

Is it good?

[@drahtfunker]

@@RingwayManchester Yes. I was quite surprised. :P

[@RingwayManchester]

I tried! 😄

[@coral-ci6zx]

Thanks!

[@RingwayManchester]

Thank you!

[@heitorvrb]

Found out and then they waved the white flag. They were French indeed.

[@jiversteve]

Continuing the myth and showing how ignorant you are!

[@emptybucket1988]

Your German 😲

[@SpyStaMia]

2:19 - 6660 kHz. That’s too funny … 👹

[@mx338]

You know it's a fake German number station/ because Northern/Eastern Germans wouldn't play Bavarian folk music.