The secret stat Riot doesn't want you to know

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[@fishychair]

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[@OFFICIALLYTRIGGERED]

Yaas

[@wondaftw]

weeewoo

[@agmhelena7266]

you forgot buldog ADS is like vandal split in 3 bullets or guardian but with rapid fire, crouch and it turns to a 3tap machine

[@Woohoojin]

I personally walk around with a bulldog in ADS 24/7 for maximum Reyna eye breaking efficiency /j

[@delicorias]

banana?????

[@BT10e]

BANANANA?!?!?!

[@Khangs_1]

BANANANANAA?!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????!!!!!!

[@KunalKalra-ll6re]

TOMATO????

[@cherrytinted_]

Good teammate spotted??

[@HeadsUpTV]

Whatever gun you choose, only Guardian can help you fix most of your mechanics. You never know how bad you are, until you take a Guardian.

[@cjhorton123]

Free win when you win pistol round.

[@zhaiketoledo3658]

Then when you go classic full util and get an Ace since your entire lobby just spams

[@nikkiae8559]

fr i mostly use guardian for the headshots which help me get 5-10 first kills each game

[@mohammadbaqer8305]

​@rissen05lmaoo same

[@ARU-THLESSGUY]

​@rissen05same and it's probably because we try to shoot before our crosshair is on the target cause it's an auto firing weapon but with guardian it's every shot counts so we take more time and it pays off

[@gailsparrovv]

This is why you’re the only streamer I take seriously. Not only are you very fun to watch, you educate your viewers and you engage with them. I respect the effort you give to do something you love while adding value to the people that follows you especially the ones in their impressionable age. I’m rooting for your success in all good endeavors you take in. - Maya ;)

[@weerat6809]

W maya ❤

[@sef5422]

W maya

[@Michael-yb7jh]

Woohoojin is pretty good too

[@lethalkiller9876]

bro forgot about banana man

[@JonathanJoe197]

Bro doesn't know about the banana man

[@koi838]

Bulldog is literally such an underrated gun, especially during the early rounds when your eco is isn't that good

[@cjhorton123]

Free win when you win pistol round too! Just buy a bulldog half util.

[@lars2894]

And with 72 bullets now it's even better thanks to Riot nerfing the Vandal to 50 bullets. Perfect against spammable util like Sage, Deadlock, Skye, and Gekko.

[@dakzibbon6589]

@@lars2894 Also in burst it has a pretty good aim pattern, as 35 for a chest shot and 115 for a head give a total of 150, which can OTK any agent

[@TheFlashinPulsar]

This is interesting. When ever I shoot at a reyna eye with a guardian my first thought is "I wish I had an auto gun rn, guardian is weak here" then I break it and I think "wtf that didn't feel as bad as I thought it should". I use the guardian a lot and this always happens. I guess it is because, you don't full auto a reyna eye, you tap it.

[@paulodantas9715]

And its the best for destroying the turret too

[@LarshFPS]

What did we learn? No one likes the bulldog

[@shiblyraihan8027]

L bulldog W guardian

[@nictactoe1496]

me, a bulldog enjoyer: 😭

[@fakealizer8280]

Bulldog is bad, but its fine for budget

[@Mary-fo2uv]

i love how he mixes games with tecnical stuff. Using maths, graphs geometry and more. It's super cool and entertaining.

[@williamscott6209]

YES, THANK YOU! I've always wondered about the recoil recovery time for each rifle, but I couldn't find reliable data on it. Finally I have some accurate data to consider

[@ImMigrant98086]

With the way guardian accuracy work. You don't even need to wait for accuracy to reset 100% to 0.1 deg. The guardian is probably shooting 0.25 deg faster than phantom and vandal.

[@MultiGoban]

Now THIS is a great point! But I doubt its faster, but it could minimize the difference

[@banan9377]

The Phantom vs Vandal makes sense to me, I've always felt that Vandal somehow feels better when deadzoning even though I know the Phantom has a better first shot accuracy. My guess was that the "cooldown" of the Vandal was faster so you could fire again accurately faster with the Vandal.

[@PrinceLobo-es8kl]

Thats why you are wrong .guardian and phantom over vandal anyday. Close to semi mid range where i dont plan to go for one taps i pick phantom, when i need to go for one taps, i pick guardian or marshal depending on eco. Also phantom is always better than vandal during defence, since it doesn't have tracer and you can shoot through smokes unnoticed. I can't tell how many times people call me for wall hacks after i shoot them through smoke with phantom.

[@PrinceLobo-es8kl]

And in these Reyna blind situation you are forgetting, teams use push behind that blind and generally is done through smokes. With phantom you can easily break the blind and spray transfer and empty your click clip towards the push, heavily damaging enemy team and getting few picks, While with vandal you could do the same but spray transfer and control is pretty rough in vandal ntm shots are more random and spread so low chances of landing hits

[@lull1527]

Judge is best

[@kanyelover911yeat]

bro dropped the hardest observation and thought we wouldnt notice

[@Kalo_]

great video from the #1 guardian main i wonder if these results would be any different if you factored in the bulldog burst alt fire?

[@dramaticreaper]

I agree this would be an interesting stat because the bulldog fires three bullets in succession, exactly what you need to break a reyna eye. If the recoil reset is low enough it means for tech you could probably one shot the eye and be ready for the fight the fastest, I hope fishy takes an interest in this but I know it's a lot of work

[@hassansohail2567]

For Bull dog u need to hit all 3 Bullets at the reyna eye using Alt fire or u won't break it. Considering RNG in Bull dog Alt fire if the 3rd bullet doesn't connect u will need to either hip fire or commit another burst to break the reyna eye and if that happens you are already fragged. Secondly if u do break the eye in 1 burst then killing the reyna in the second consecutive burst is another issue because of Rng and u may end up with Dinking her or getting body shots only. Means u can't reliably hit her head and also fit a bullet of the burst into her body. So practically it's not as efficient as the others and not the best for that situation

[@TheoHSS]

I thought about that too, but the burst fire you have to control the recoil too, so that adds your recoil control to be efficient with the burst fire too, and controlling the recoil depends on player, so basically he can't make graphics based on RNG

[@blackburn7733]

You forgot the economy part! Vandal and Phantom is expensive than Guardian and Bulldog! So they should have their disadvantages comparing an expensive full auto rifle!

[@nathancanadian4989]

he got that sick clip at the beginning and def decided to make this video afterwards lol

[@dec1085]

This is why I use the operator for optimal reyna eye shooting

[@sampannavaibhavjoshi5777]

Another thing to take into consideration is the bulldog ads burst fire which is meant to be used

[@mageferago]

I really like this "labbing" style of valorant content, I would love to see more

[@enbasagar2007]

This is the best scientific test anyone has ever done. Hats off bro, you just made this nerds day.

[@chrisdane2014]

Another day, another masterclass from the GOAT.

[@aethar2750]

I don't always buy bulldog but i think its my favorite due to its price tag being the lowest out of all of the guns, good for a medium/light buy

[@Woe_YT]

I think you could have tested the bulldogs alternate fire as it 1 bursts reyna eye and i think reduces recoil reset compared to spraying normally.

[@trilobiteerlive2873]

It also has an increased fire rate for those 3 bullets (I think) so it would completely change the results

[@karlivanr]

Hahah I kinda expect already the outcome of the video but I still watched through it for additional information/educational content. You are the reason why I practice with Guardian a lot and I even mained it last year, thank you so much!

[@Ridlay_]

What would happen if you factored in Bulldog burst fire? That's 3 bullets after all.

[@fishy9447]

I played with a guardian in a match once, I was practicing aim, but everyone kept saying “Fishychair wannabe” thinking I was trying to be you hahah. (I have been fishy since the dawn of time”

[@renzen4354]

Vandal feels so bad when breaking reyna eye. I try to shoot just the right amount of bullets (3 bullets) and a lot of the times I UNDERshoot due to missing the shots

[@HeadsUpTV]

There was a point when I thought the leer had 500 hp because of how slow I was at breaking it with the vandal. Then my friend told me its just 100hp and I was shocked.

[@PrinceLobo-es8kl]

Ntm vandal only has first two bullets accurate whole phantom has 4 also first shot accuracy of vandal is so low

[@Reyhan_xd]

4:01 "rain eye" nice ai sub

[@jebidori]

6:07 “you dont have to worry about shooting more with tap firing” bro i panic and end up emptying my whole magazine 😭😭😭

[@lolster626]

bulldog is just a walmart vandal for when you have 3850 creds after a save

[@NotBawffles]

interesting......well i'll just stick to my ares

[@bobronsons5780]

the bulldog is severely underrated. The BEST gun in the game besides op

[@fakealizer8280]

Bulldog max spread (and I would conclude how fast it reaches max spread) *is* the worst however For reference: A sheriff is *0.25* on its first shot. Bulldog max: 1.25 Vandal max: 1.00 Phantom max: 0.90

[@leekintheboat]

Could you do a quick add on video vs skye dog? Now only 80hp. It’s probably the most common util to shoot in this current meta. Will probably make vandal look really good.

[@fishychair]

Vandal probably just wins hands down here

[@xtremefps_]

"nobody likes the bulldog" Me buying bulldog second round: 👁️ 👄 👁️

[@deso_uke]

I have no idea why but this guy sounds like the enemy Jett who went 60 and 10 in my iron lobbies

[@abhishekjaju69]

Bruhhh. I'd like some more nerding out like this

[@agentlovesya]

bro is secretly just confessing his love for the guardian

[@zakisista8468]

Keen observation! One of the things pretty overlooked when people talk about the 'feel' of the gun. I believe the stat is called tapping efficacy.

[@fakealizer8280]

Higher is better (Tap Efficiency) Vandal: 6 Phantom: 4 Guardian, Bulldog: I have no clue but ~3 or less

[@patrickjeromeobaldo2450]

tl;dr this very important stat no one talks about, explained in detail, but it doesn't matter.

[@js.josippp]

bulldog is so underrated. costs less than vandal, deals almost the same damage, is a little more accurate when i actually use it, fires quicker, and its much more annoying when an omen tps and kills you with a fucking bulldog.

[@hboom4461]

What about bulldog ADS? Is it not worth considering that it shoots 4 bullets incredibly accurately in quick succession with barely any recoil? The video was very in depth and informative nonetheless!😉

[@fishychair]

There was already too much data to collect so I kept it simple but seeing a Reyna flash, ADSing in, shooting and unADSing takes a really really long time. Unless you're already zoomed in holding an angle, it's pretty cursed

[@minimezaviaticohio1987]

Maybe put an epilepsy warning before the recoil reset tests as entering and exiting the buy menu at fast speeds could probably give somebody a seizure

[@yarincool1237]

whenever i play gurdian breaking util becomes so easy and the reset feels amazing.

[@ashtoncasedy3237]

bro did no eye contact challenge to the next level

[@shotarosann3914]

bro did the bulldog dirty

[@serenalaurence1492]

Never in my life I would dream this video would be about this topic lol. It was quite insightful, I rarely see videos that talk about the minute gameplay details. These stats might not mean much, but your comment on being 'mindful' is so true because it actively makes me improve my individual gameplay. Also huge kudos for doing the testing. Do you watch 3kliksphilip by any chance? Anyways loved your videos (also bc of you I have a guardian only player in my team every 5 games so thanks for that??)

[@korded8]

i think u forgot about the fact that with bulldog you can aim to fire only 3 bullets at a time also you didn't think about cost of which weapon. a bulldog for example that is 850 credits cheaper and can offer shooting only 3 bullets at a time is has also the fastest firing speed after phantom. the most important thing is that you looked at the weapon and jugdeg them by destroying reyna eye. most of the times if you buy a rifle enemies should be able to afford heavy or at least light shields wich increases their health from 100 to 125 or 150. as we know the reyna eye has only 100 hp wich means that your statistics are reliable only if an oponent has 100 hp, wich as i mentioned before doesn't appear so often if you have a rifle. that means that probably guardian is the best rifle to destroy reyna's eye, but it can still not be the best weapon. what i'm trying to say is that i would want to see statistics of each weapon, but against enemies not abilities like reyna eye.

[@AMSQ4998]

Another excelent video as usual. Thank you for your work.

[@Skywalker-pw7xl]

This is so informative and helpful!! This deserves way more views !! Keep up the food work❤

[@charleedude5519]

i thought that it was looking really bad for guardian mains such as yourself and then i realised how you could easily flip into having hard facts for how the guardian would be better here

[@casoozh]

128fps (server tick-rate), their times all fall between 6 and 7 frames 144fps, their times all fall between 7 and 8 frames 165fps, their times all fall between 8 and 9 frames.

[@Tepoxy]

this video made me htink there was some bulldog tecvh i didnt know 😭

[@cheedar_m]

So this is why i always miss my shoot when using the phantom with vandal timing

[@XdefLovesMinecraft]

I know no one likes the bulldog, but how does the ADS burst fire fit into all of it? I mean at the very least it makes the bulldog equally consistent to the guardian in terms of not overfiring since you're forced to only fire 3, and the bullets come out faster if I'm not mistaken. Does it reset slower to 'compensate'?

[@void8865]

THATS SOME FISHY CONTEND

[@info7414]

why didnt you include the burst fire of the bulldog? I think its a completely new weapon when ads

[@oazieparzival_exb828]

But u have to also consider the bullet spread. Even if it reset faster and u can’t hit shit then it’s pointless

[@PrinceLobo-es8kl]

Factz

[@kartlight]

This is a Noble Prize-level research.

[@jayyh_01]

its actully super weird how people work. i would NEVER feel any difference in time mentioned in valorant, but in Dead by Daylight, a game im comfy with? those 20ms is like a full blown minute

[@Chubby1G_TV]

This was really well broken down, my 2 brain cells understood it well xD

[@wilburtmoreno469]

when im short on eco, ill go bulldog. sometimes i do guardian when im confident with my aim

[@z.ace.44]

As an ADS bulldog player, I'm pretty sure while ADS-ing its quite good

[@MuttonErase]

respectfully. ive never personally seen anyone do that (ive witnessed a dude unironically crab walk peek cat on ascent while adsing ) and I hope i never do

[@kyledoran1671]

been waiting for another fishy deep dive! Love this style of content, hope it does well!

[@InsekiJisatsu]

I like the bulldog. The burst fire feels so good.

[@dva5610]

I play judge and sheriff so this doesn’t apply …

[@N4feYT]

the fastest way to break a reyna eye is by not playing lol.

[@crytzeecrystel5453]

Wow, that effort is insane 🎉

[@madcapmaple]

There is also a price you gotta average all these stats with the price to see the best economic gun is actually the number 1 bulldog oh boy I love the bulldog

[@tzumi30]

This video might’ve convinced me to use the guardian again

[@thefmaster9833]

bulldog have both phantom and vandal disadvantages

[@PMacKing]

Very interesting breakdown for sure!

[@KikiDYLM23]

As an Electrical Engineer like fishychair idk how to read the graph 😢

[@ultrarageman2956]

I got bamboozled, i came fof my fav bulldog analization...an got bull shit

[@Psuedobot]

Bulldog is so underrated in low elo ..........cuz ads and just click it does the job

[@Pumkint]

No bloody way he said he didn't like the bulldog and nobody....I DO LOOK AT MEEE IN THE EYE STOP PRETENDING I DON'T LIKE BULLDOG!

[@juicetinerrng4219]

when an engineering student plays valorant

[@butcherdesuyoi]

So it means, they need to nerf Deadlock more

[@Captain_Rex14]

I like the Bulldog because it’s the cheapest rifle, and it’s two firing modes allow it to outmatch multiple weapons at multiple ranges. Also, stimmed, overloaded, and empress Bulldog spray is extremely deadly considering that it’s a lot more controllable than a Phantom or Vandal. Also, if you do a hero buy and still get killed, it’s not like you gave the enemy an absurd advantage, considering most people think that it’s bad and leave it. But a Vandal they’d be killing each other to get their hands on.

[@thomasbitler8798]

I mean you're free to like the bulldog, but it's just worse at any range compared to the phantom or vandal. Like sure it'll outmatch an Ares at long range, but so does a vandal or phantom.

[@p0etischer]

how did u do the graphs?

[@casedum273]

I heckin love the bulldog

[@PrinceLobo-es8kl]

Thanx to you my aim has increased so greatly that i was able to reach plat 2. While i was hard stuck silver vandal was my go too gun, but it had me question my aim with that first bullet accuracy bieng so trash , switching to guardian not only improved my trigger patience and crosshair placement but greatly improved my aim mechanics ntm now i actually play phantom or guardian, when defending a high rush team or during high rush games i use Phantom, while having slow games guardian is my go too.

[@fakealizer8280]

A first shot accuracy of 0.25 should almost never fail you when standing still, though (because of Center Biasing)

[@BlipMaster8718]

i all ways pick the guardian but on lo eco rounds or just after the pistol round ill go for the bulldog

[@PrinceLobo-es8kl]

Thats why i have always preferred guardian and phantom over vandal. Close to semi mid range where i dont plan to go for one taps i pick phantom, when i need to go for one taps, i pick guardian or marshal depending on eco. Also phantom is always better than vandal during defence, since it doesn't have tracer and you can shoot through smokes unnoticed. I can't tell how many times people call me for wall hacks after i shoot them Trough smoke with phantom.

[@PrinceLobo-es8kl]

Also about burst firing go in range and check how accurate burst fires of phantom are over vandal, vandal hits 2 shots before going to space while phantom does 4 and then crouching almost nills any recoil. In most cases during Reynas blind it comes through smokes of walls where spray transferring after breaking blind is possible with guns like Odin Aries and phantom, since just after Reynas blinds team usually push forward while with vandal you can't do so, spray from vandal is trash. Vandal triumphs over phantom in long to mid spaces where guardian marshal and operators are actually better than vandal, if your aim is good, then again you would pick vandal if your aim is trash. There's a reason most pros prefer phantom and phantom has higher pick rates in vct. Phantom is objectively and factually better unless you're hard stuck silver or gold where vandal reigns supreme.

[@MarlockT]

Since you talked about this, I thought it would be a appropriate moment to talk about how guns don't follow the recoil control when you are tap shooting while strafing. For some reason it counts as movement inaccuracy. I hope someone understands what i'm talking about

[@mo1ya938]

Is strafing not movement? Can you rephrase it?

[@MarlockT]

@@mo1ya938 when you counter-strafe and shoot only one bullet If you do that quickly and the recoil rises, it will also count movement inaccuracy for some reason

[@ridikelus4413]

@@MarlockT because you stand still for a short period of time, try counter-strafing while shooting non-stop and you will see basically the same result. although, these movement inaccuracies are usually not noticeable due to their low deviation. edit: TLDR you probably don't hit the right timing while shooting fast hence why you get blue bars on the graph

[@MarlockT]

@@ridikelus4413 i know i'm hiting the timing and it still gives me blue bars

[@MuttonErase]

@@MarlockT (assuming youre not using the phantom) if youre getting blue bars youre either firing more than 1 bullet such that one bullet is accurate and the other has movement error or your timing is off. there's literally no other explanation

[@Phorkium]

I really wonder how these compare with other eco weapons against full buys, especially the sheriff

[@Lythicc]

Yoo fishy been watching you for a good while now and your content has came a long way man, keep up the good work! Do you play on a higher sens in val though? Your flicks sometimes seem quite fast but with how consistent your aim seems i always assumed you were a low sens player, hard to tell lol

[@brightmanofculture4729]

Just started playing, has been a week and Im already looking at graphs and charts.🤣

[@hastyscorpion]

It's not the recoil reset that makes the phantom better at sprayingm it's the spread of the spray.

[@slowsloth3809]

my friends always criticize me for buying bulldog, saying that it's a shit gun and i shouldn't use it even if i CAN use it i don't know why they're treating it as if it's a bow, it's a goddamn gun and i like using it, even if i'm silver 3

[@meh53401]

man nice i was wondering ab this for a while but I'm not bothered ab like going into a clipping software and like counting ttk and all that just also wanted to point out bulldog's burst fire hasn't been mentioned :(

[@tenkokan542]

Ok you sell me -someone who play stinger 95%

[@jquadra4]

I like the bulldog😢

[@MuttonErase]

every iron player goes through that phase at one point, eventually youll move on

[@justnauman]

I usuallyplay games for fun but it seems valorant and csgos have diff scenariosboth of these communities have better teachers than my school subject teachers lol

[@olirahaman9408]

Bro off topic, i feel irritated after buying guns like guard, bulldog cause looking at the money, it shows you got 50 creds swinging how to not feel irritated looking at those 50 creds lying in the wallet?

[@n4gauge]

idk but i have a very chance of getting headshot with a bulldog compared to other guns is that a hidden stats also?

[@thishandleistaken1011]

I know "tapping efficiency" was also a stat that has been in patch notes back in the day. I wonder how it relates. Vandal had a tapping efficiency buff very early on.

[@Cryoptic_]

tap efficiency will mean the time to reset after a tap. it makes sense for vandal to be better here aswell seeing as it is the more precision focused gun compared to the phantom. funny thing is, im pretty sure the phantom has a better FSA than the vandal by 0.05 degrees. they are 0.25 and 0.2. but at the ranges where rifle FSA matters, the phantom always loses to vandals due to dmg drop off anyway...

[@thishandleistaken1011]

@@Cryoptic_ i dont think that is what it is

[@Cryoptic_]

@@thishandleistaken1011 pretty sure thats like the only thing it could be. how efficient it is at tapping would be determined by the speed at which u could do so, and how many of times u shoot u hit. unless u are fighting at 50m+, ur hitting ur shoot pretty much always, which means the efficiency is purely based of speed. process of elimination. what else do u think it could possibly be?

[@thishandleistaken1011]

@@Cryoptic_ I looked it up and supposedly it has to do with the rate of inaccuracy accrual when firing before the recoil fully resets. The recoil reset is a completely different stat.

[@Cryoptic_]

@@thishandleistaken1011 mm i guess that is another thing it can be. although, if thats riots wording i disagree with it. just doesnt sound correct to call it efficiency if its just the number of shots u can tap shoot before reaching big recoil. im not entirely sure what id call it tho. tap recoil buildup or something sounds more accurate to me. if someone were to ask me how fast can u tap shoot, i would say the time it takes to reset. im pretty sure u get to max recoil at about 6 bullets, so wether ur tapping or full spraying it would be the same amount of bullets for recoil, meaning the tap efficiency would just mean number of shots u can take with decent accuracy... efficiency doesnt sound correct IMO for this. but anyway, in this case it doesnt rly relate to the reset time for guns at all, just a part of the stat ecosystem every gun has i guess.

[@arkozhs]

so this is maybe why most player dont shoot the util then transfer, they just shoot at spot while util is hitting them. for other gun, its not consistent to shoot util then aim at enemy.

[@saitamark]

Least big brain asia valorant player:

[@Strqme]

6:25 I'm offended

[@BT10e]

Hes selling us the guardian again...