The Secret To Having ACTUAL CONSISTENT FUN In Elden Ring PVP

[@emotionaljonxvx]

Really glad you put this out today, lines up perfectly with my video. I've been running level 40 for my last few videos and it's the best PVP I get these days. While I'm at the point that I'm convinced FromSoft is done trying to improve the game, it's important players make the best of it and have the fun they can. PVP stays alive as long as people are playing together. Keep fighting the good fight, Drunk!

[@xx_i_am_jah_xx6992]

Imma watch your vid after this one :)

[@Drunk_Souls]

@@emotionaljonxvx SOLIDARITY

[@boxofpainkillers3791]

i would like to know the weapon+ at level 40 -60 -80 etc ... i am unaware of that detail if you are willing to provide it

[@Necromancer-CC]

​@boxofpainkillers3791 60 is 12-14 smithing 5-6 somber. 80 is 17-19 smithing 7-8 somber

[@Necromancer-CC]

​@@boxofpainkillers3791basicaly for every 10 levels go up by 2.5 smithing and 1 somber

[@stuffilike6755]

Maybe one day, the real fun will come from the knowledge that countless gank squads will be sitting for hours, alone. Perhaps then, finally, some introspection might occur...

[@UncleGael1999]

What a nice mental image that is

[@deadlifts4357]

level 80 invasions actually has tons of mages. some of them are even threatening. but that's what makes it fun. the threatening ones put their limited stats into magic so they die in one hit. it's very satisfying cleaving through a goofy mage with one running attack. or one erdtree shield laser

[@Necromancer-CC]

Is it just me, or is that Crimsonwhorl bubble tear lookin kinda, T H I C K also whats up👋

[@_Ethereal420]

@@deadlifts4357 although true it's better than level 60 . It's not what it once was and being at level 80 with more higher upgraded weapons/stats actually gives you a better chance at actually dealing with mages and over leveleds faster since damage is now reaching similar levels to what they have.

[@ExTremZero]

In Dark Souls 3, there was a great feature that scaled down overleveled phantoms to match the host's level. They dealt less damage than the host against invaders and could be taken out in one hit with a dagger if parried, depending on their armor. However, in Elden Ring, phantoms aren’t scaled down at all; they deal nearly the same damage as in their own worlds, which is too much for underleveled invaders. This means you can end up fighting alone against 2 overleveled phantoms that just kill you in 2 hits. I don’t understand why this change was made. Getting spammed by powerful spells isn’t new; it happened in previous Souls games too. Dark Souls 1 and 2 had their dark magic, and Dark Souls 3 had spells like Vestige and soul arrows/crystal spears. Most invasions in those games took place in tighter spaces, which limited the effectiveness of those spells compared to the open areas in Elden Ring, only big difference is that ER has many spells that have so many projectiles that you just can not avoid damage by just dodging. The main reason I prefer playing Dark Souls 3 over Elden Ring is the ease of using high-damage things, you just spam weapon arts at each other, you dont actually use the weapons anymore. I still watch ChaseTheBro, and the builds he showcased laterly allow for one-hit kills through counterattacks thats just BS there are numerous other things that can onehit/combo players this shouldnt exist inside ta pvp environment at least not by simply pressing somebuttons, if you read the enemy and parry/backstab thats fine

[@FolgenNamp]

I would love to get dowwscaled so I can invade other players. I know I might have access to other weapon inventory, but they still are playing with phantoms to help, so... I think that should not be a problem in invasions. The 3 dudes squad could win easily. There are so many changes that they could implement and I don't understand why they don't do it.

[@brandon1138]

I put together a stealth build at 125. All day everyday I get 3 player ganks and bonfire duelists. The fun I get from invading is stalking them players through the level and finding the best moment to make my move and take down the host. Think of it like assassination contracts. Maybe I will try to make something work at an even lower level, but I doubt it.

[@R_T_G_YTC]

Stealth is literally the best way to do it. I'm even using a reaper/scythe now since it's October lol.

[@glowindark64]

​@@R_T_G_YTCgrave scythe slaps on heavy infufu

[@nothingness217]

What's your win ratio, if you don't mind me asking?

[@brandon1138]

@@nothingness217 Idk. Not great. My build thrives on using the environment to my advantage. Places with varying levels of height really play well into my build. It's an ambush build. So when I have to face random gank squads running around liurnia swamp, or other open plains like areas, or random bonfire duelists who just sit on the bonfire, my build really struggles.

[@shut]

you should really consider doing it, at low level its pretty much all your wpn level damage + buffs for damage. and at lower levels people are actually playing the game so its perfect for your playstyle, as it is mine

[@cedricbaetens8003]

The levels of the phantoms that died in chronological order (Levels are found by putting their runedrop through a runelevel calculator): 56 73 65 73 58 262 50 413 51 Those were all of them, until next time.

[@Drunk_Souls]

this is good to show how common the overlevels are

[@maddogg8484]

Wish there was a way to down level your stats and weapons to play at these levels. I'd have to run through the whole have again to get a save file at low level.

[@bettywhite2694]

@@Drunk_Souls a level 70 vs 40 isn't a huge difference. in that list only 2 were really over leveled

[@brandenwaite]

Generally bonfire duelist may be less good at PVP, but it's useful for doing a rough test of a build idea before you commit to the stat respec and weapons that will effect those stats... So you can use Godrick Great Rune, some stat talismans, Int knot, Faith Knot tears or whatever to be able to test. Thus you may think most suck at PVP, but they may just be trying something new.

[@ALTGUY-iy5tq]

I just want magic spam to be dealt with, and maybe even PVP rewards. Then it's fun

[@Zelgius-e9d]

Yup magic needs some adjusting

[@ExTremZero]

shouldnt be fighting the fun and not the reward you get? If you always need a game to tell you by a reward you where a good boy, you should play something else.

[@VariableLyon]

It's not called magic being a problem. It's called not focusing the mage. You can't go "delete mages", that's every invasion.

[@ALTGUY-iy5tq]

​@@ExTremZero Nah dude I love this game I just wish there were more rewards like they did with dark souls 3 and covenants, you actually got something for grinding it, I enjoy the game alot, but I still wish we just had some kind of covenants again.

[@ALTGUY-iy5tq]

@@VariableLyon The problem is though the phantoms are way too overleveled, and scaling them down a bit would help

[@TruePirateKing12]

I do both. I look at level 40 as a vacation from 168+. Also I like to spam anime back so it works out for me.

[@jvstsomedog]

True enough. Started enjoying pvp again when I stopped having to chase people shooting projectiles, L2 spamming ganks, and being 2 shot. Ive found around level 65 to be that sweet spot where you can see the foundation of peoples builds without blasting, and in turn, having yourself getting blasted away

[@LabTech41]

Time for a collab with ChaseTheBro; you two could revitalize things bigly.

[@stuffilike6755]

No.

[@ExTremZero]

Chase plays on a complete different skill level bro, he would get bored.

[@LabTech41]

@@ExTremZero Well, I'm glad you know the inner workings of his mind, and can predict future events most people without superpowers could never figure with any accuracy. Meanwhile, I'm talking like 1-3 episodes tops; not a marriage.

[@ExTremZero]

@@LabTech41 well if you watched him before the hype of ER you would know that Chase enjoyment in pvp comes from being in a disadvantages against multiple enemies + that he is far more skilled in the game than some1 that needs to invade low level should say enough.

[@LabTech41]

@@ExTremZero Again, you should be winning the lotto with that superpower. You have no idea how he might respond to a one-off event like that.

[@PP-th4ft]

that one dude eating four pokes in a row only to roll off the cliff gave me ass cancer

[@Nirob615]

I wouldn't say that L2 spam is a problem because Ash of Wars are all generally overtuned relative to the dps R1s and R2s have (jump attacks not included). Like it is not uncommon to see an L2 hit you for like at least 60% of your max health. Meanwhile only a charged R2 can do that and a lot of them leave you open for trading. Jump attacks are a different beast all together though especially on the weapons that hit multiple times. They get even more powerful with powerstancing across the board as well. Meanwhile powerstancing doesn't always make the light attacks worth it and you can't heavy attack with both weapons while powerstanced unless it's a paired weapon like fists or claws. To a lesser degree I also think the range some of the melee attack themed ones have is a little ridiculous like piercing fang or sword dance. Like all of the weapon skills that got ported over to Elden Ring I think are fine like spinning strikes or square off. Even the ones that mimic the more unique ones from DS3 like Magma Shower from the Magma Blade compared to the enhanced spinning strikes that the PKCS had are alright. Bleed is also way stronger in this game than it has in any other souls game while frostbite is way more accessible in Elden Ring compared to DS3. Madness and Scarlet Rot, especially the 30% max health damage version, are beasts in their own right as well. I think the biggest problem with spells is Lusat's making sorceries hit stupidly hard while those spells are already geared towards being offensive spells anyway. I don't think there is an incantation in the game that can compete with Comet since it casts way faster than pretty much all of the single target incantations. Don't get me wrong there are some really powerful nuke incantations, but none of them are anywhere near as oppressive than Comet or Star shower. Not to mention that with the exception of Giant's Flame Take Thee and maybe Knight's Lightning Spear all of them are practically melee range incantations like the red lightning spells or Messmer's Orb. The change from active poise that DS3 had to passive poise and hyper armor that ER has also helped spellcasters a lot. TLDR: Damage for L2s are overtuned when compared to practically all R1s and R2s from any weapon with the exception of powerstance jump attacks. Lusat's massive scaling makes sorceries stupidly oppressive while the poise changes from DS3 to ER helped spell casters more than melee players imo. Bleed is stronger in ER vs any other Fromsoft game, and Frostbite is infinitely more accessible. Madness is literally Frenzy from BB but with like 50% less damage from the procs.

[@edendman]

Haha, I went through a series of pvp steps, all of which were mentioned. playing genuine coop -> ganker -> bonfire duelist -> duelist -> invader

[@shiftgaming101]

I agree that the damage scaling and lack of spam makes mid levels enjoyable, and I spend a good chunk of time each playthrough indulging. It's a great time, but there is something missing from it, imo. It's clear that the enjoyment of the PVP in this game is intrinsically motivated, and that's fine. My main issue is that if I am invading, I need to have Leyndell, Haligtree, Faram Azula, Belurat and Shadow Keep, as well as many late to endgame dungeons available to REALLY have fun. Do you get Leyndell invasions much at 80? Sure, a bit. Faram Azula? Much less, Haligtree and Shadow Keep even less. The more I do low level, the more I yearn for these places, as they are where my most fun invasions have been, with the exception of Stormveil. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy other areas, too, they just get stale when you are restricted to them.

[@Enoch1212-m7g]

Well said...my lvl 150 pvp is very limited..

[@holdenyarbrough3738]

I hope the next game goes back to their previous level designs and not open world

[@nicolasgoulet4091]

I still want to replay Bloodborne 😭

[@holdenyarbrough3738]

@@nicolasgoulet4091 hopefully we get a remaster soon

[@DarkHumor_6]

Bro… who tf doesn’t want openworl?

[@talhasucksatgames]

Nah sorry bro but open world is better

[@DarkHumor_6]

@@talhasucksatgames fr

[@TheEldenDad]

There was a new patch today for elden ring. They only thing that was addressed was grafted glitch.

[@Staazzz]

What weapon level should I use for lvl 40 invasions?

[@Drunk_Souls]

@@Staazzz +7 or +8 weapon works fine. I would be hesitant to make it more though.

[@theangelofdeath7750]

​@@Drunk_Soulsso like +2 or +3 somber?

[@TarnishedBoss]

@@theangelofdeath7750+3 somber

[@Drunk_Souls]

​@@theangelofdeath7750yes

[@LyllianaofMirrah]

We are at a point where we need tutorial just to have fun in Elden Ring PvP is just proof enough it fell off...

[@natehoward241]

Yoooo! I actually made a level 40 build a few weeks ago because I saw how much fun you were having in one of your streams. I’ve been having a blast!

[@dwimors]

I really have to agree that level 40 is the sweet spot. 50 can be fun too for more diversity of locale. But at 60, the OLP scaling feels real bad and they can hit you for insane damage super easily.

[@Leda_2007]

I love your voice, you sound so chill

[@brandondl1995]

Elden definitely has the potential to be an insanely good game for PvP.

[@BigBonkStick]

The problem is that the build diversity will be way lesser then at 150/168 : You have way less level to be able to wield some spells or incantations and even some weapon with high requirements, such as the giant crusher. There may not be many downsides to do RL40 invasions, but the downsides in questions are pretty big, witch is why I still prefer RL150 Invasions. But I do get your points and I don’t think RL40 is necesserly bad.

[@woznow8446]

Any suggestions on stat spread and weapon level for a RL40 build?

[@Nick3618W]

The formula seems to be… (whatever you need to use your intended weapons) then vigor. Thats about it…

[@farlock826]

+7 normal +3 special

[@woznow8446]

@@farlock826 You’ve cured my depression 🙏🏼

[@NoTouchThrow]

Wait. You can have fun in PVP?!

[@Oathbreaker314]

it sound crazy but it's true at lvl. 40

[@NoTouchThrow]

@@Oathbreaker314 I need to try that.

[@Hungo80k]

I've been huge into darksouls pvp since 2012 . But mann Eldenring pvp is so bad compared to DS3 I just gave up on it . I'm having more fun on Armored core and DBZ, and SM2

[@SirNolgus]

I havent given up alot of bs happens but u just gotta be ready for it

[@Giggles_iJest]

Tarnish Hunter build specs?

[@turkialsharari1750]

lately I have been playing at lvl 60(40vig,25end,19str,20dex) a quality build, so I can have access to most weapons and 89 poise. the best moment and enjoyment i have since the dlc came out + I agree with you phantoms have all the late gear weapons so why shouldn't I

[@Oct0ber_4_Ever]

5:11 Time to play the game. "HHH entrance music hits"

[@nothingness217]

We need a return to Bloodborne. No real magic, just the regular R1 spam, which is way easier to deal with than L1 spam.

[@TryAgain9999]

@@nothingness217 2 shots with evelyn and gg no re (not even viscerals, just 2 unreactable bullets, nice hOnt)

[@tylerdavis83]

He’s right. I personally do low level though

[@Oathbreaker314]

How'd you get the great katana at lvl 40?

[@Zanemob]

Either he killed Mogh and ran to it or someone dropped it to him.

[@Oathbreaker314]

@@Zanemob I think it makes more sense if someone dropped it for him

[@Nirob615]

Also how do you feel about people who play with taunter's tongue on while playing the game normally. Not bonfire duelists, but people trying to keep the game like DS3 where you could be invaded while solo.

[@Big_Buppo]

Looks like RL40 is the DS3 SL29 experience I miss... But I don't think that's gonna be enough to make me come back. 😅

[@harbinger1737]

its been a while since i've seen a new video. You don't have saved any livestreams as videos lately, I was getting worried.

[@griddydiddy]

glazing time. hey man i don’t really fw ppl or sub etc but ur super solid and make great content. i JUST made a 168 build (11 hours in trying to collect all key items etc) am i fucked for being at 366 on main and now 168 and trying to LEARN pcp? i’m new to souls games, wouldn’t say i’m bad at games, but something about invading makes me blood rush and sometimes i fuck up just cuz scared of all the spam.. should i make ANOTHER character at 40? and actually learn pvp there? i mostly learn from ur vids tbh but still gotta practice just hard ppl play scummy af. how are you on console making all these toons? is there a secrecy way to speed rush all the tears and items etc ? (assuming u have no elden ring friends like me) thanks brah also maybe none of this matters as i can’t fucking play without my xbox shitting the bed and turning off anyways. sad man

[@shut]

try arena, but what made me get good at invading is playing through the game AND invading as much as i can. i usually do 1-2 legacy dungeons per every few dozen invasions. you get your build and get your fun

[@A.D.I.D.A.S-916]

Yeah definitely try arena first like the other guy said & also maybe start a new character and begin invasions as soon as you can, literally, because low level invasions if they aren’t twinks will be way easier than a fully min maxed level 200 opponent is. Hopefully you are able to get into invasions. They’re honestly the funnest part for me I love doing invasions

[@liamconnelly3115]

I have a lot of fun with my lvl 80 +16 invader. Just as a humble fire based str build. What weapon upgrade do you stay at if your down at level 40?

[@TarnishedBoss]

+7, and +3 somber

[@Ser_Pumpkin_Night]

I’ve been having fun at 20 but starting to get some fatigue. Time to head to 40 🎃

[@_Meegee]

What weapon upgrade level would be the best for RL40?

[@hideyasuyuki1]

People expect too much from this game. That’s why it’s important as a gamer to have a variety of games. Enjoy Elden Ring for what it is the PVP will stay alive because like dark souls it’s a cult classic.

[@ExTremZero]

we dont expect much from a game, we expected that they would use or at least refine the PvP mechanics they introduced with DS3 in Elden Ring, but they went the route of pleasing the mainstream instead.

[@qaw392]

So what weapon level for lvl 40? Also can u suggest a build for it?

[@Drunk_Souls]

Tarnished hunter, I have KZbin videos about it for this game

[@julianc.1648]

Only issue with low lvl builds is equipment variety, if you have a discord were the elden ring community can come together and share equipment then it will be optimal to play at lvl 40.

[@norn-sama3407]

great video

[@TryAgain9999]

The real question is: what vigor at lvl40?

[@Drunk_Souls]

@@TryAgain9999 almost all of your build should be vigor. You want to meet minimum stats for whatever weapons you want to use, then dump the rest into vigor and endurance. Don't worry about stat damage scaling, it means almost nothing at low level. Instead, use buffs like lightning slash or flaming strike.

[@alchemical-architecture]

Does anyone else have experience at Level 40? I mean, is it worth while putting another build together?

[@ETwasajunkie]

Does anyone know if Golden seed or Sacred tear level effects your invasions?

[@Drunk_Souls]

No. Not at all. Neither do fragments

[@eldenringpvpenthusiast1710]

making anime cosplay characters has never been so good in a souls game, but I get its not everyone's thing. I actually got into souls PvP because it reminded me of cool anime fights. Ill recommend what Carla in Armored Core does, learn how to laugh, even when your losing.

[@Oct0ber_4_Ever]

Are there less traitor reds at rl40?

[@Drunk_Souls]

About the same

[@urossavic8960]

Thanks for the vid, its fun at 40 but in my opinion not worth it and limited for the sake of keeping my sanity, fk that

[@animusdemifiend2307]

Crutchers ruined a ton of the hype ngl. They killed the little stability we had an while seamless seemed promising, tryhards used the free ticket to cheat away along the crutching. Like I invaded 3 hours straight meta level just to find ppl that only gravity kills got their asses.

[@Drunk_Souls]

the issue with seamless is that invasions turn on or off If it's optional, it's not an invasion.

[@deadlifts4357]

the amount of cheaters in seamless are few & far between. maybe 1 in every 100 invasions. the more prominent problem with low level seamless invasions is there is little to no weapon level matchmaking & max level weapons plague the level 80 bracket. which on one hand means you yourself can use max level weapons. on the other hand it really puts honest timmys further on the back foot. especially when they are running around mountaintop of giants with 600 health

[@carolinapesonen5127]

Yersterday i TT for over one hour alone,and i got one invader comming,lol also i try to invade,whaiting for Almost 15min,,,,i love the game and Have over 1500 hours ex pvp,but i can say that invasions are dead by now,they need to do somthing? Change the matchmaking system,,,,,,Maybe its time to move on to another game,,,i try ds1 and ds3,,,,instans invasions that was fun,

[@craigslaunwhite579]

I pray the gankers are not watching this video. 😅

[@marionstewartiii657]

How can an "Invader" be frustrated when you're trying to kill 3 players that are most likely headed to beat a boss...? Im new to this type of gameplay. So Im actually curious to understand. 🤔

[@shannonhargie6244]

I love your content.

[@PwnLinked]

Ds3 was so much better. The skill gap was so high. Nowadays you just need an L2 button.

[@alchemical-architecture]

Can someone please address how weapon scaling, flasks, talisman slots, etc can effect the 'fun level' at mid level invasions?

[@shut]

if youre on pc you can get all the talisman slots, which is about as far as i go for low level invasions. weapon scaling is pretty much just weapon level based, because your stats are pretty much just the requirements and vigor. i dont think getting max flasks is too bad considering how many you can get by just exploring the open world

[@snowballsforu7452]

Lvl 69 meta

[@Hungo80k]

I've been huge into darksouls pvp since 2012 . But mann Eldenring pvp is so bad compared to DS3 I just gave up on it . I'm having more fun on Armored core and DBZ, and SM2

[@VariableLyon]

Brother, there is something in every Souls game called *spells.* If i want to be an Int/Fth phantom and die after i wasted my 350FP 6 times, the game allows it and it's an open world game. The amount of people quitting just because players don't melee is boring, just like the amount of bad mages and L2 spam. At least if you L2 spam do it with Sorcery of the Crozier since it's harder to dodge. Anyways, the problem i have is just lack of personality. It's all heavy armor using heavy weapons or meta, which i despise as meta makes you use 15 out of the more than 100 options the game gives to you. That is why RL181 is the best for everything. At least noobs have personality and don't running R1 spam Rakshasa's with spear and two handed talismans.

[@beanzzzzzzzzz]

Yippee drunk posted

[@Xbigxhatxloganx]

Oh boy the shot gun bow 😂 this game is dead dude we need to keep it alive keep invading ya’ll.

[@EbeleDesert]

If you mean killing PVErs is fun, ok. Maybe you should try TT run at level 40 for real fun

[@Lordfarquad1415]

I still enjoy the hell out of PvP. Really tired of the constant complaining for the past year over ER PvP. People either need to quit and move on or accept it for what it is and keep playing. If people hate it so much play something else that'll make you happier. I loved watching you when you created your channel drunk. You used creative builds and were always funny and lighthearted with the game. Now you've devolved into constant bitching.

[@osopeluchin555]

I don't like Twinking

[@diegoalderette6485]

Idk man ppl keep saying pvp is shit but ive been having fun for the last 2 years. Just seems like the community wants to fit an elden ring shaped object in a dark souls shaped hole, and are upset that it doesnt fit.

[@UncleGael1999]

@@diegoalderette6485 You can enjoy the pvp all you want, but to try and deny its objectively flawed design and broken balance would be hella dishonest.

[@andrewang2116]

Sir, fight chase the bro or coop with him 👏👏👏

[@skewclip]

Complaining about fogwalling is valid, but it's a lil awkward to claim you're so bored of duels because they're too easy, then complain that it makes it unfun that a bonfire duelist has more heals than you, or that it's unfair someone is playing with an overleveled friend lol. I agree mid-level pvp is fun tho for sure

[@CazDad]

Elden ring PvP is boring af now and who would want to play Elden ring at level 40 you have absolutely no build verity so it’s still boring after a while

[@dunkydubs8282]

I think level 80 is the best

[@ramv7469]

low level invasions is easy mode for invaders.

[@UncleGael1999]

@@ramv7469 Not really since overleveled phantoms are a very common thing at low levels

[@ramv7469]

@UncleGael1999 maybe. But most players at low levels barely even have two talisman pouches, healing flasks and equipment etc.

[@UncleGael1999]

@@ramv7469 Same goes for most low level invaders

[@ramv7469]

@UncleGael1999 most ive seen have end game and dlc gear, but youre also right

[@UncleGael1999]

@@ramv7469 Yeah this can be said for both sides. Invaders get 2 shot by overleveled phantoms so they get endgame gear. Honest low level hosts get 2 shot by twink invaders so they summon their overleveled buddies. A neverending cycle of bs :/

[@BratSmimson-re9uw]

Your constant need to Teabag people is cringe.

[@A.D.I.D.A.S-916]

Dude it’s part of the game, people like to flex on each other quit being so sensitive lmao Sound like a female 😭

[@A.D.I.D.A.S-916]

Ok Karen cry harder

[@Killsorow]

Don't complain bout Fog Walls when other players you invade are actually playing the game and going through fighting the bosses. Like ive said in the past go fight people in the coliseum. That's literally all about PvPing in 1v1s 2v2s evry1 vs evry1 no teams and even spirit summon duels. Everyone does it like tf....

[@UncleGael1999]

He's criticizing the games spawn system, not the players that proceed to go through boss fogwalls.

[@holdenyarbrough3738]

@@Killsorow it wasn’t as big of an issue in the older games because you had to run through the level now it’s just respawn beside boss door

[@_Ethereal420]

The collosium is stale af. Pvp out in the world is where it's at just not the open world.

[@anthonywetzell2305]

Arena is boring

[@seldomsweet]

Invading is also playing the game