This is a good lot of information. My dad was an airframe fitter ( airplane panel beater) Then an auto panel beater. He was a perfectionist. All his work was with Oxy Acetylene. He welded , beat it flat and continued. I never saw him grind any weld. At the time there was no such thing as plastic filler so his work was "file finish". A normal standard in his time. He taught me to oxy weld aluminium when I was twelve so I have his old attitude towards welding body steel. It should look as good on the inside as the outside. That also guarantees a long life of the weld. I really cringe at the "new" method of MIG tack welding and grinding . No skill and a short life of the metal rusting out again. It is a pleasure to see a new generation of true craftsmen that can do quality welds the proper way. I also noticed that you showed the inside of the weld. Wonderful. None of these MiG "custom welders" would dare show their inside weld rubbish. I can understand TIG is just like Oxy Acet and it is controllable just like Oxy-Acet. Thank you for keeping the skills alive.
@CrucibleCoachworks2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Cheers!
@BiGMiAMiTV Жыл бұрын
Wow ❤I want to meet your dad bro !!
@tinnedanger Жыл бұрын
@@BiGMiAMiTV Sadly He passed away in 2020 at 95 with Alzheimer's. Up until 92 he was still tinkering with cars and making rifles.
@RUESPEED1 Жыл бұрын
@@tinnedanger🙏❤☝🏼
@adamrobertson1357 ай бұрын
I find TiG just like o-a welding too; make a puddle dip your rod in and keep on moving, simple! 😂
@benchman13512 жыл бұрын
Kyle from Carter Auto Restyling is worth watching, he doesn't have much of a shop but is very talanted in metal work.
@JonFukuda2 жыл бұрын
My 2 fav things about your posts: project progress & protips. Keep the goodness flowing!
@SkaterStimm2 жыл бұрын
Yep tig welding one continuous bead is not only a softer weld which makes it easier to grind (I find more time is spent grinding the panel than welding it), and it produces way less weld, but only do this if you have access to the back side. Mig even though it is also very hot is good when you have no access because the little tack welds can cool off and if you do it slow enough you can also produce a warp free weld which is good when you can't get a hammer behind it. You HAVE to hammer and dolly a tig weld, you need to do a hammer on dolly technique to stretch the weld out since the tig weld causes it to shrink once it cools, while with Mig you really can't planish it because the welds will crack.
@stricht82 жыл бұрын
My mig welds have never cracked after planishing but they are very difficult to planish as they are pretty hard.
@SkaterStimm2 жыл бұрын
@@stricht8 It depends on the gauge of metal and how much penetration there was and if you grind both sides, etc.
@jasonhunt7382 Жыл бұрын
Mig welds will eventually crack in an area that has ANY kind of flex, just because the area around a mig weld is more brittle than a tig or a gas weld. This is not debatable… this is physics.
@thosdot64977 ай бұрын
Problem with using MIG wire in either MIG or TIG is that its composition isn't the same as the mild steel in most older cars. Oxy welding mild steel filler rods are supposedly a better match - I'm still playing about with them, but I can confirm that a bead of that is much much softer than an ER70S-6 bead from MIG wire. Newer cars use a higher-strength steel so maybe MIG wire is close enough to them to be OK.
@LetGaiaLive2 жыл бұрын
Awesome work, there! This is a proper wide body; I’m getting little tired of people bolting on a set of fibreglass flares and calling it a wide body. Great video!!
@mrolskul Жыл бұрын
The outcome was amazing, The panel appears to be one single piece, very impressive work and skillset.
@acfeinman2 жыл бұрын
would love to see you step through all your hand hammers/dollies and explain what situation each is for!
@thomaskirkpatrick40312 жыл бұрын
The metal work alone is amazing.
@steelbluesleepR2 жыл бұрын
This is the best video on sheet metal working/finishing I've seen! I've been looking for one like this as I plan a few future projects. Thank you!
@88VBoy2 жыл бұрын
You should check out Karl Fisher's YT channel "Make It Kustom" if you haven't already. He has some really good videos on making panels as well.
@MrDavidrosenberger2 жыл бұрын
I've searched for a custom coach works channel many times in the past and there isn't much on offer. So glad you made the channel. I just subscribed. I will watch literally all your stuff 👍
@davidsnyder20002 жыл бұрын
This is most definitely the 1st time I’ve heard of welding a continuous bead at the seams. Everyone spaces tack welds out and many force cool them. But it’s definitely worth a try to do continuous welds👍 Nice video, thank you 🙂
@swempthebemp2 жыл бұрын
If you're tigging, once you try this method you'll never go back. Absolute game changer
@cec2469 Жыл бұрын
Using only one word you are an artist 🔝
@mopedmarathon2 жыл бұрын
Very rare to see a video with advice that’s correct on this subject. So many people are giving incorrect advice! The worst thing you can do to a weld is rapidly cool it. It causes extra shrinkage and it tends to be uneven too. Also welding in spots with mig and letting each one cool actually amplifies the warping because you let one tack shrink then add another which shrinks even more right next to it. Also mig welds are best avoided if at all possible because they are so hard compared to tig or the parent metal. Tig can be planished basically as easily as the parent metal. Mig is so hard it’s difficult to planish the weld enough to spread the shrinkage back out. Good work dude. Keep the knowledge coming!
@dlbunger Жыл бұрын
Simply amazing
@jamest51492 жыл бұрын
Great video, glad to see someone showing a good way of welding panels. RetroPower are another KZbin channel that shows this method in depth and worth a watch… their builds are stunning.
@Coffey_bus2 жыл бұрын
Definitely a different way of doing things I’ll try the best version I can on my bay window bus this week good job dude
@carlgeorgtsigakis4982 жыл бұрын
Fantastic job and that English wheel is a piece of Art!
@cameronbittner4971 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining why you hammer and dolly after welding. I should have known why ,but you made it clear.
@CorsairF2G Жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT DESCRIPTION OF YOUR CRAFTWORKS
@FiberLaserSales2 жыл бұрын
Ryan, great work keep it up. if you are not familiar with fiber laser welding feel free to give me a shout we sell the systems. I have got my TIG welding and Mig down to about 5 to 10 times faster than conventional with a smaller HAZ it’s beyond amazing with this machine. I’d love to help anybody out. We sell these very affordably unlike the big boy guys and these are made for production work. We also have a portable unit
@BigDadGigaCHAD2 жыл бұрын
Like clockwork I wait for my weekly Crucible Coachworks fix. I think I may have a problem. Tony, scan and 3d print another Ryan please. Have him make content in the evenings. Two videos a week would really hit the spot.
@CrucibleCoachworks2 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks! We’ll keep that in mind. 🫡🤝🏻
@chrislagerquist591 Жыл бұрын
Hey I love what you’re doing with the 928 I have collected them for years at one time I had 8 now I am down to 3 s4’s in the early 2000s they use to have a yearly get together at 928 international it was so cool to see 50+ 928s in one place one year I saw a real wide body that was made by Koning I think it was really cool and mike anderson had a 91 he converted into a truck along with his race car there were even some supercharged ones. I truly enjoyed your videos and hope I can see your work in person some day keep up the excellent work 👍
@aaronyoung80282 жыл бұрын
Hey Ryan, my algorithm just bought me here and I immediately subscribed. You have skills well beyond your age, and a shop full of awesome projects. I look forward to checking out all your previous vids, and would be keen to see a new video on your Metal Ace, English Wheel. Cheers Aaron
@CrucibleCoachworks2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@jdmjesus61032 жыл бұрын
You're very good. It's nice to see someone else recommending the correct technique. I made a similar video myself a while back but you're better (though I still think my vid is a good take on the subject). I wish people would stop recommending that 'lots of tacks and cool them' method. It's bad advice, I learned the hard way. Also, my dad's had a 928 since the early 80's. Helped with the click!
@deeiks122 жыл бұрын
What's your preffered method of grinding down the welds, with the least warpage? 40 grit? 60 grit?
@Spiritof_762 жыл бұрын
Loving the duck-tail spoiler on the 928. I had planned to use an S4 spoiler on my 1st gen, but boy does yours look sharp. The aftermarket phone dial rims also rock. Phone dials on 928 are like the 5-holes on a Countach.
@LaMemz2 жыл бұрын
You’re a god send for this vid! Answered a few questions I had for a while!!
@wogelkrafts Жыл бұрын
Wow, I've had it backwards for so long! :DD , and as you said, the result speak for it self! Thanks
@bryanancy2 жыл бұрын
Great video and one question what tool are you using to sharpen the tungsten. I would like to know the name of it. Thanks again.
@CrucibleCoachworks2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It's the "Eastwood Elite TG2000 Cordless TIG Welder Tungsten Grinder" If you get it from their website, the code "KRAWS10" should get you 10% off.
@ma61king2 жыл бұрын
You're right, this is completely counterintuitive and the opposite of everything I've been taught, but it does appear to work
@Flixxe89 Жыл бұрын
That's nice old body work imagine how they welded since then today we have all the nice technology to work with the old dudes know how to do
@GarageItYourself2 жыл бұрын
Yup, I can see how the consistent heat would reduce any warping. Definitely easier to achieve with TiG compared to MiG IMO. Plus the weld bead a TiG leaves behind seems softer and easier to hammer n dolly than MiG welds. A great tutorial though 👍
@KM-uw4ez2 жыл бұрын
Yes make an English wheel video please. A plannishing hammer video as well would be helpful.
@carlos640302 жыл бұрын
Nice job! Hard to argue good results.
@Eric-lj8sw Жыл бұрын
Great combo of skill knowledge and exp. This was great and I know understand why these techniques are important. Thank you! Would love to see your advice for mig welding.
@letmefindout812 жыл бұрын
Let's be honest here. You are not building a car, you are creating a piece of art.
@christiantroy7722 Жыл бұрын
Yes it goes against what everyone else will say you can't argue with the results you proved your point perfectly looks like a better easier way to get a perfect fit and you just got a new subscriber thanks for the video i will do it this way next time see how i go
@LeoHMIII Жыл бұрын
What do you do if you're making something like a motorcycle tank, that you can't get into the backside to planish? I suppose you could rig Something up to get in there... But is there a better way? Also, have you ever experimented with pulse tig on these welds? Would the brief cooling periods, in between pulses, cause warping? This was a great video. Makes me want to try out body work.
@SheetMetalShapingАй бұрын
Great idea with the tabs / clecos. A+ video
@miraclemotorsport2 жыл бұрын
Your metal work is always impressive! Love the look of the 928
@jonivanart2 жыл бұрын
You did this video just in time for me!! Thanks!! On top of that your actually a really good teacher. 👍 Keep up the great work. Got a new follower here. I'll be watching more of your videos over time. Thanks again!
@angrygardener24302 жыл бұрын
Great video! Love the welding and English Wheel insights. Great wheel choice (guessing Augment Wheel Dials) I have them in 18” on my 928 in Gold with polished lips. Stunning.
@johnnystewart93892 жыл бұрын
This was a great video to watch, thank you
@mikewhelan59922 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial - helps me a lot for my project. Can you tell me what grit sanding disc you used in the small air sander ? Also what grit did you use on the DA?
@CrucibleCoachworks2 жыл бұрын
80 grit!
@eddiemcg2 жыл бұрын
thanks for the video Ryan, could you though, share what progression of sanding pads you used to clean up the weld? much appreciated.
@CrucibleCoachworks2 жыл бұрын
Sure thing! 80 grit grinding disk, the rougher grit of scotch brite disk (I’m not sure on grit, but it’s the dark brown style), then 80 grit on a DA sander.
@misterandyt Жыл бұрын
Lovely stuff! Fascinated to know a couple of things: 1. How do you know which die’s to use in the planching hammer or the English wheel? 2. How did you finish the welds after you did them? Saw some grinding, I think? Thanks & keep these vids coming! Loving it
@philiphigginbotham37752 жыл бұрын
You're a good teacher, you explain things very well. I now understand I've been doing it wrong and why. Unfortunately, my welding is not as good as yours - I get too much heat in and I don't have the right rods for mild steel - always end up with bubbles
@adamfreeman56097 ай бұрын
Very nice work, just wondering if you noticed that the horizontal body line through your panel is a little wavy
@enochthetrucker97352 жыл бұрын
I'm not a fan of widebody kits, but they look good on most porsches. I think they're probably just designed so beautifully, it's hard to mess them up.
@mitchfleming2742 жыл бұрын
What a great video thanks for the great information.
@CrucibleCoachworks2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@YootubeUK2 жыл бұрын
Very impressive and the results? Wow! Subscribed and look forward to seeing more of that 928.
@TonyGingrich2 жыл бұрын
You pros make this look so easy. My hat's off to you! I have many years of experience as a mig welder, mostly industrial manufacturing. I'm very proficient, with many of my own personal tricks. Adjusting into automotive sheet metal has been a real challenge for me, though. I feel like I'm having to start fresh as a newbie. Suffice to say, I never expected low amperage welding to be so difficult. I do have a question...before I make a mistake here, lol. One of my tricks in thick steel, was to put the first 2 or 3 tacks on the opposite side of a joint. Let those cool and pull the alignment in that direction. So when I run the bead on the correct side, the alignment would pull back to straight, and restricted by those first opposing tacks. Long winded, lol. But does that sound like a good strategy for sheet metal? Like in this video, when you placed your first tacks...if I instead, put half those tacks on the back side, then move to the front... And also if I welded the front from the center out to the edges in 2 directions...? Or is that a bad idea? I know that sounds like a newbie question. But I've literally been forced to abandon almost everything I knew about welding, just to learn auto body. Trying to see if I can actually hold onto at least a few things, lol.
@mako7572 жыл бұрын
Bravo! Great work, keep it coming!
@Aftermathrollie2 жыл бұрын
What technique would you use when you don’t have access to the back side of the panel/weld?
@CrucibleCoachworks2 жыл бұрын
Gotta do what you can to get rear access, whether it’s making a window behind the panel or removing the whole panel itself via the spot welds. Worst case, if completely impossible, I’ll try to prestretch a bit before welding to compensate and TIG weld in stitches. Allowing each stitch to cool before continuing.
@jeff666p4 ай бұрын
When doing mig on panels how long do you recommend waiting between tacks letting the panel cool?
@DE-ok4ld2 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done! Amazing work!
@fordboy4ever2 жыл бұрын
B-E-A-UTIFUL! Love your videos!
@IndiSkyz2 жыл бұрын
That 2+2 is the best gum cutter in the world.
@michealdougoh51772 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate very informative will give it a go. Im the mig then cool it bloke and I have every issue you just pointed out.
@GearHeadBoris Жыл бұрын
Oh nice work on that 928!
@midnighttutor2 жыл бұрын
I have that same Bosch electric shear but whenever I use it (18 gauge) I get wavy metal edges. Is there a secret? Thank you.
@infinityphotorob11 күн бұрын
Would you do exactly the same method for Oxy Acetylene? Tacks, dolly, grind and then straight through bead? Thinking of building bumpers for my truck using a torch. Partly because I have it, and partly for the challenge of it.
@race-partners2 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid guys. I leaned a lot
@Fernandosantanajr832 жыл бұрын
How much does a project like this go for? Your work is amazing!!! Started saving to see if you can do some custom work on my 944 😆
@lexeg12 жыл бұрын
Happy new year . Awesome video great learning
@crouchingwombathiddenquoll56412 жыл бұрын
Excellent video and skills. But let's hear it 👏🏼 for the camera man, great viewing angles on the work being done 👍🏼🇦🇺🌏
@CrucibleCoachworks2 жыл бұрын
Logan is very good at what he does! 🤝🏻
@crouchingwombathiddenquoll56412 жыл бұрын
You make a great team. I'm a new subscriber 👍🏼
@benfidar2 жыл бұрын
Can you use old wire hangers from the dry cleaner?
@Justiccc Жыл бұрын
MIG welding my panels - shlould still go with a solid straight weld after tacking them ?
@thomaskirkpatrick40312 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes, yes please do a video on the English wheel.
@scottwilliams99711 ай бұрын
How and where did you get the dies for your eastwood planishing hammer.... Mine are extremely small?
@MLFranklin Жыл бұрын
I read about "hammer welding" in a Petersen autobody book from the 1970s. They used oxy-acetylene.
@jasoncardoza6375 Жыл бұрын
Where the center seam was welded, do you spend more time defining the body line later or use body filler to correct it? I’m not trying to sound rude or anything I just noticed it looses it’s sharpness in the center there… or is my mind playing tricks on me because I know it’s been welded there?
@fullswinggarage41282 жыл бұрын
What size wire and tungsten do you like to use for sheetmetal
@larsenroed2 жыл бұрын
How would you tackle the same task with a mig? Great channel!
@johnbarker50092 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video, thank you!
@EdableVisions2 жыл бұрын
The roof, quarters and floor are galvanized
@dgutsch78 Жыл бұрын
Hallo und Danke für die Ideen Die Du umsetzt. Wie sieht sowas am Sedan aus? Ich möchte es gerne übernehmen für den Sedan.
@tristengraham26192 жыл бұрын
What kind of tack weld magnets were those? I’ve thought about getting the VIM set
@PrivacyEnt2 жыл бұрын
don't you get a broad dip in the welding area, when you sand/grind the top portions of the welds down? How do you account for that?
@CrucibleCoachworks2 жыл бұрын
When grinding the welds, I do my best to keep the grinding disk completely level and try to stay on the weld itself the best I can
@kristianrave2 жыл бұрын
Great video and gold knowledge for my 68 912 project. Maybe i didn't catch it or you didn't tell - but what was the setting on your welder? also i dont have a tig welder. Which one do you use/recommend? thanks and hi from Germany
@VictorMPR Жыл бұрын
If the weld penetrated to the other side (as it should?) then how come there is no back-purging going on? Also, never thought I’d say this about a HAZ, but the HAZ on that short weld looked beautiful! Also, also… DO talk more about the English wheel!
@jonboy1942 жыл бұрын
english wheel vid.,,, yes please..
@bcwoods3602 жыл бұрын
What size and type of tungsten? And gas pressure cup size?
@Chevy-ud1ec2 жыл бұрын
what do you do if you cannot get behind the panel to hammer and dolly it??
@davidhashimoto6652 жыл бұрын
For warp free welds, be a good welder. Got it.
@Handbuilt1 Жыл бұрын
You have all your theories about cutting , welding and distortion SPOT ON ! But..... There is no way that I would tig weld any new made panel , simply because of the extra work in preparing for tig welding , and the grinding . And more importantly the tig weld is harder than the material which the panel steel is made out of , ...there for harder to control when metal finish the surface . I found that by having the two cuts perfectly matching and fuse the weld with the oxy with no filler rod I get less distortion ,and it takes little effort to planish out ,......I also do the same when welding aluminium
@noellerew86562 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips
@brianlove84132 жыл бұрын
Nice work.
@Grey_Area5702 жыл бұрын
Nice work going on there, thanks for sharing the how to's
@jsmith99702 жыл бұрын
You forgot one important factor. Talent. Not everyone can create like you can!!! Just like not everyone can be a master painter.
@VenturaIT2 жыл бұрын
Nice, how do you ensure that both sides are identically shaped (rear fenders)?
@warrenweapon2 жыл бұрын
You make identically opposed wood bucks to initially form the sheet metal...
@dme24532 жыл бұрын
What type and gauge metal are you using?
@davidmcgillivray52052 жыл бұрын
sweet build
@matthewgarcia40812 жыл бұрын
What sanding discs do you use ? Grit and brand ?
@CrucibleCoachworks2 жыл бұрын
Norton Blaze 80 grit!
@matthewgarcia40812 жыл бұрын
@@CrucibleCoachworks awesome thanks man! You should make a video of your mig welding process too I think that’d be cool!
@bad-bunnyblogger81712 жыл бұрын
Next project: Modernized Porsche 924. Audi TTrs engine, gearbox and dashboard with your custom exterior touches. Perfect! Lol