The SECRET to Warp Free Welds! - Widebody Porsche 928 Body Panel Welding, Metal Shaping - 928 Ep. 17

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Crucible Coachworks

Crucible Coachworks

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@tinnedanger
@tinnedanger 2 жыл бұрын
This is a good lot of information. My dad was an airframe fitter ( airplane panel beater) Then an auto panel beater. He was a perfectionist. All his work was with Oxy Acetylene. He welded , beat it flat and continued. I never saw him grind any weld. At the time there was no such thing as plastic filler so his work was "file finish". A normal standard in his time. He taught me to oxy weld aluminium when I was twelve so I have his old attitude towards welding body steel. It should look as good on the inside as the outside. That also guarantees a long life of the weld. I really cringe at the "new" method of MIG tack welding and grinding . No skill and a short life of the metal rusting out again. It is a pleasure to see a new generation of true craftsmen that can do quality welds the proper way. I also noticed that you showed the inside of the weld. Wonderful. None of these MiG "custom welders" would dare show their inside weld rubbish. I can understand TIG is just like Oxy Acet and it is controllable just like Oxy-Acet. Thank you for keeping the skills alive.
@CrucibleCoachworks
@CrucibleCoachworks 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Cheers!
@BiGMiAMiTV
@BiGMiAMiTV Жыл бұрын
Wow ❤I want to meet your dad bro !!
@tinnedanger
@tinnedanger Жыл бұрын
@@BiGMiAMiTV Sadly He passed away in 2020 at 95 with Alzheimer's. Up until 92 he was still tinkering with cars and making rifles.
@RUESPEED1
@RUESPEED1 Жыл бұрын
​@@tinnedanger🙏❤☝🏼
@adamrobertson135
@adamrobertson135 7 ай бұрын
I find TiG just like o-a welding too; make a puddle dip your rod in and keep on moving, simple! 😂
@benchman1351
@benchman1351 2 жыл бұрын
Kyle from Carter Auto Restyling is worth watching, he doesn't have much of a shop but is very talanted in metal work.
@JonFukuda
@JonFukuda 2 жыл бұрын
My 2 fav things about your posts: project progress & protips. Keep the goodness flowing!
@SkaterStimm
@SkaterStimm 2 жыл бұрын
Yep tig welding one continuous bead is not only a softer weld which makes it easier to grind (I find more time is spent grinding the panel than welding it), and it produces way less weld, but only do this if you have access to the back side. Mig even though it is also very hot is good when you have no access because the little tack welds can cool off and if you do it slow enough you can also produce a warp free weld which is good when you can't get a hammer behind it. You HAVE to hammer and dolly a tig weld, you need to do a hammer on dolly technique to stretch the weld out since the tig weld causes it to shrink once it cools, while with Mig you really can't planish it because the welds will crack.
@stricht8
@stricht8 2 жыл бұрын
My mig welds have never cracked after planishing but they are very difficult to planish as they are pretty hard.
@SkaterStimm
@SkaterStimm 2 жыл бұрын
@@stricht8 It depends on the gauge of metal and how much penetration there was and if you grind both sides, etc.
@jasonhunt7382
@jasonhunt7382 Жыл бұрын
Mig welds will eventually crack in an area that has ANY kind of flex, just because the area around a mig weld is more brittle than a tig or a gas weld. This is not debatable… this is physics.
@thosdot6497
@thosdot6497 7 ай бұрын
Problem with using MIG wire in either MIG or TIG is that its composition isn't the same as the mild steel in most older cars. Oxy welding mild steel filler rods are supposedly a better match - I'm still playing about with them, but I can confirm that a bead of that is much much softer than an ER70S-6 bead from MIG wire. Newer cars use a higher-strength steel so maybe MIG wire is close enough to them to be OK.
@LetGaiaLive
@LetGaiaLive 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome work, there! This is a proper wide body; I’m getting little tired of people bolting on a set of fibreglass flares and calling it a wide body. Great video!!
@mrolskul
@mrolskul Жыл бұрын
The outcome was amazing, The panel appears to be one single piece, very impressive work and skillset.
@acfeinman
@acfeinman 2 жыл бұрын
would love to see you step through all your hand hammers/dollies and explain what situation each is for!
@thomaskirkpatrick4031
@thomaskirkpatrick4031 2 жыл бұрын
The metal work alone is amazing.
@steelbluesleepR
@steelbluesleepR 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best video on sheet metal working/finishing I've seen! I've been looking for one like this as I plan a few future projects. Thank you!
@88VBoy
@88VBoy 2 жыл бұрын
You should check out Karl Fisher's YT channel "Make It Kustom" if you haven't already. He has some really good videos on making panels as well.
@MrDavidrosenberger
@MrDavidrosenberger 2 жыл бұрын
I've searched for a custom coach works channel many times in the past and there isn't much on offer. So glad you made the channel. I just subscribed. I will watch literally all your stuff 👍
@davidsnyder2000
@davidsnyder2000 2 жыл бұрын
This is most definitely the 1st time I’ve heard of welding a continuous bead at the seams. Everyone spaces tack welds out and many force cool them. But it’s definitely worth a try to do continuous welds👍 Nice video, thank you 🙂
@swempthebemp
@swempthebemp 2 жыл бұрын
If you're tigging, once you try this method you'll never go back. Absolute game changer
@cec2469
@cec2469 Жыл бұрын
Using only one word you are an artist 🔝
@mopedmarathon
@mopedmarathon 2 жыл бұрын
Very rare to see a video with advice that’s correct on this subject. So many people are giving incorrect advice! The worst thing you can do to a weld is rapidly cool it. It causes extra shrinkage and it tends to be uneven too. Also welding in spots with mig and letting each one cool actually amplifies the warping because you let one tack shrink then add another which shrinks even more right next to it. Also mig welds are best avoided if at all possible because they are so hard compared to tig or the parent metal. Tig can be planished basically as easily as the parent metal. Mig is so hard it’s difficult to planish the weld enough to spread the shrinkage back out. Good work dude. Keep the knowledge coming!
@dlbunger
@dlbunger Жыл бұрын
Simply amazing
@jamest5149
@jamest5149 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, glad to see someone showing a good way of welding panels. RetroPower are another KZbin channel that shows this method in depth and worth a watch… their builds are stunning.
@Coffey_bus
@Coffey_bus 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely a different way of doing things I’ll try the best version I can on my bay window bus this week good job dude
@carlgeorgtsigakis498
@carlgeorgtsigakis498 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic job and that English wheel is a piece of Art!
@cameronbittner4971
@cameronbittner4971 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining why you hammer and dolly after welding. I should have known why ,but you made it clear.
@CorsairF2G
@CorsairF2G Жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT DESCRIPTION OF YOUR CRAFTWORKS
@FiberLaserSales
@FiberLaserSales 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan, great work keep it up. if you are not familiar with fiber laser welding feel free to give me a shout we sell the systems. I have got my TIG welding and Mig down to about 5 to 10 times faster than conventional with a smaller HAZ it’s beyond amazing with this machine. I’d love to help anybody out. We sell these very affordably unlike the big boy guys and these are made for production work. We also have a portable unit
@BigDadGigaCHAD
@BigDadGigaCHAD 2 жыл бұрын
Like clockwork I wait for my weekly Crucible Coachworks fix. I think I may have a problem. Tony, scan and 3d print another Ryan please. Have him make content in the evenings. Two videos a week would really hit the spot.
@CrucibleCoachworks
@CrucibleCoachworks 2 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks! We’ll keep that in mind. 🫡🤝🏻
@chrislagerquist591
@chrislagerquist591 Жыл бұрын
Hey I love what you’re doing with the 928 I have collected them for years at one time I had 8 now I am down to 3 s4’s in the early 2000s they use to have a yearly get together at 928 international it was so cool to see 50+ 928s in one place one year I saw a real wide body that was made by Koning I think it was really cool and mike anderson had a 91 he converted into a truck along with his race car there were even some supercharged ones. I truly enjoyed your videos and hope I can see your work in person some day keep up the excellent work 👍
@aaronyoung8028
@aaronyoung8028 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Ryan, my algorithm just bought me here and I immediately subscribed. You have skills well beyond your age, and a shop full of awesome projects. I look forward to checking out all your previous vids, and would be keen to see a new video on your Metal Ace, English Wheel. Cheers Aaron
@CrucibleCoachworks
@CrucibleCoachworks 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@jdmjesus6103
@jdmjesus6103 2 жыл бұрын
You're very good. It's nice to see someone else recommending the correct technique. I made a similar video myself a while back but you're better (though I still think my vid is a good take on the subject). I wish people would stop recommending that 'lots of tacks and cool them' method. It's bad advice, I learned the hard way. Also, my dad's had a 928 since the early 80's. Helped with the click!
@deeiks12
@deeiks12 2 жыл бұрын
What's your preffered method of grinding down the welds, with the least warpage? 40 grit? 60 grit?
@Spiritof_76
@Spiritof_76 2 жыл бұрын
Loving the duck-tail spoiler on the 928. I had planned to use an S4 spoiler on my 1st gen, but boy does yours look sharp. The aftermarket phone dial rims also rock. Phone dials on 928 are like the 5-holes on a Countach.
@LaMemz
@LaMemz 2 жыл бұрын
You’re a god send for this vid! Answered a few questions I had for a while!!
@wogelkrafts
@wogelkrafts Жыл бұрын
Wow, I've had it backwards for so long! :DD , and as you said, the result speak for it self! Thanks
@bryanancy
@bryanancy 2 жыл бұрын
Great video and one question what tool are you using to sharpen the tungsten. I would like to know the name of it. Thanks again.
@CrucibleCoachworks
@CrucibleCoachworks 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It's the "Eastwood Elite TG2000 Cordless TIG Welder Tungsten Grinder" If you get it from their website, the code "KRAWS10" should get you 10% off.
@ma61king
@ma61king 2 жыл бұрын
You're right, this is completely counterintuitive and the opposite of everything I've been taught, but it does appear to work
@Flixxe89
@Flixxe89 Жыл бұрын
That's nice old body work imagine how they welded since then today we have all the nice technology to work with the old dudes know how to do
@GarageItYourself
@GarageItYourself 2 жыл бұрын
Yup, I can see how the consistent heat would reduce any warping. Definitely easier to achieve with TiG compared to MiG IMO. Plus the weld bead a TiG leaves behind seems softer and easier to hammer n dolly than MiG welds. A great tutorial though 👍
@KM-uw4ez
@KM-uw4ez 2 жыл бұрын
Yes make an English wheel video please. A plannishing hammer video as well would be helpful.
@carlos64030
@carlos64030 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job! Hard to argue good results.
@Eric-lj8sw
@Eric-lj8sw Жыл бұрын
Great combo of skill knowledge and exp. This was great and I know understand why these techniques are important. Thank you! Would love to see your advice for mig welding.
@letmefindout81
@letmefindout81 2 жыл бұрын
Let's be honest here. You are not building a car, you are creating a piece of art.
@christiantroy7722
@christiantroy7722 Жыл бұрын
Yes it goes against what everyone else will say you can't argue with the results you proved your point perfectly looks like a better easier way to get a perfect fit and you just got a new subscriber thanks for the video i will do it this way next time see how i go
@LeoHMIII
@LeoHMIII Жыл бұрын
What do you do if you're making something like a motorcycle tank, that you can't get into the backside to planish? I suppose you could rig Something up to get in there... But is there a better way? Also, have you ever experimented with pulse tig on these welds? Would the brief cooling periods, in between pulses, cause warping? This was a great video. Makes me want to try out body work.
@SheetMetalShaping
@SheetMetalShaping Ай бұрын
Great idea with the tabs / clecos. A+ video
@miraclemotorsport
@miraclemotorsport 2 жыл бұрын
Your metal work is always impressive! Love the look of the 928
@jonivanart
@jonivanart 2 жыл бұрын
You did this video just in time for me!! Thanks!! On top of that your actually a really good teacher. 👍 Keep up the great work. Got a new follower here. I'll be watching more of your videos over time. Thanks again!
@angrygardener2430
@angrygardener2430 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Love the welding and English Wheel insights. Great wheel choice (guessing Augment Wheel Dials) I have them in 18” on my 928 in Gold with polished lips. Stunning.
@johnnystewart9389
@johnnystewart9389 2 жыл бұрын
This was a great video to watch, thank you
@mikewhelan5992
@mikewhelan5992 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial - helps me a lot for my project. Can you tell me what grit sanding disc you used in the small air sander ? Also what grit did you use on the DA?
@CrucibleCoachworks
@CrucibleCoachworks 2 жыл бұрын
80 grit!
@eddiemcg
@eddiemcg 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for the video Ryan, could you though, share what progression of sanding pads you used to clean up the weld? much appreciated.
@CrucibleCoachworks
@CrucibleCoachworks 2 жыл бұрын
Sure thing! 80 grit grinding disk, the rougher grit of scotch brite disk (I’m not sure on grit, but it’s the dark brown style), then 80 grit on a DA sander.
@misterandyt
@misterandyt Жыл бұрын
Lovely stuff! Fascinated to know a couple of things: 1. How do you know which die’s to use in the planching hammer or the English wheel? 2. How did you finish the welds after you did them? Saw some grinding, I think? Thanks & keep these vids coming! Loving it
@philiphigginbotham3775
@philiphigginbotham3775 2 жыл бұрын
You're a good teacher, you explain things very well. I now understand I've been doing it wrong and why. Unfortunately, my welding is not as good as yours - I get too much heat in and I don't have the right rods for mild steel - always end up with bubbles
@adamfreeman5609
@adamfreeman5609 7 ай бұрын
Very nice work, just wondering if you noticed that the horizontal body line through your panel is a little wavy
@enochthetrucker9735
@enochthetrucker9735 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not a fan of widebody kits, but they look good on most porsches. I think they're probably just designed so beautifully, it's hard to mess them up.
@mitchfleming274
@mitchfleming274 2 жыл бұрын
What a great video thanks for the great information.
@CrucibleCoachworks
@CrucibleCoachworks 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@YootubeUK
@YootubeUK 2 жыл бұрын
Very impressive and the results? Wow! Subscribed and look forward to seeing more of that 928.
@TonyGingrich
@TonyGingrich 2 жыл бұрын
You pros make this look so easy. My hat's off to you! I have many years of experience as a mig welder, mostly industrial manufacturing. I'm very proficient, with many of my own personal tricks. Adjusting into automotive sheet metal has been a real challenge for me, though. I feel like I'm having to start fresh as a newbie. Suffice to say, I never expected low amperage welding to be so difficult. I do have a question...before I make a mistake here, lol. One of my tricks in thick steel, was to put the first 2 or 3 tacks on the opposite side of a joint. Let those cool and pull the alignment in that direction. So when I run the bead on the correct side, the alignment would pull back to straight, and restricted by those first opposing tacks. Long winded, lol. But does that sound like a good strategy for sheet metal? Like in this video, when you placed your first tacks...if I instead, put half those tacks on the back side, then move to the front... And also if I welded the front from the center out to the edges in 2 directions...? Or is that a bad idea? I know that sounds like a newbie question. But I've literally been forced to abandon almost everything I knew about welding, just to learn auto body. Trying to see if I can actually hold onto at least a few things, lol.
@mako757
@mako757 2 жыл бұрын
Bravo! Great work, keep it coming!
@Aftermathrollie
@Aftermathrollie 2 жыл бұрын
What technique would you use when you don’t have access to the back side of the panel/weld?
@CrucibleCoachworks
@CrucibleCoachworks 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta do what you can to get rear access, whether it’s making a window behind the panel or removing the whole panel itself via the spot welds. Worst case, if completely impossible, I’ll try to prestretch a bit before welding to compensate and TIG weld in stitches. Allowing each stitch to cool before continuing.
@jeff666p
@jeff666p 4 ай бұрын
When doing mig on panels how long do you recommend waiting between tacks letting the panel cool?
@DE-ok4ld
@DE-ok4ld 2 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done! Amazing work!
@fordboy4ever
@fordboy4ever 2 жыл бұрын
B-E-A-UTIFUL! Love your videos!
@IndiSkyz
@IndiSkyz 2 жыл бұрын
That 2+2 is the best gum cutter in the world.
@michealdougoh5177
@michealdougoh5177 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate very informative will give it a go. Im the mig then cool it bloke and I have every issue you just pointed out.
@GearHeadBoris
@GearHeadBoris Жыл бұрын
Oh nice work on that 928!
@midnighttutor
@midnighttutor 2 жыл бұрын
I have that same Bosch electric shear but whenever I use it (18 gauge) I get wavy metal edges. Is there a secret? Thank you.
@infinityphotorob
@infinityphotorob 11 күн бұрын
Would you do exactly the same method for Oxy Acetylene? Tacks, dolly, grind and then straight through bead? Thinking of building bumpers for my truck using a torch. Partly because I have it, and partly for the challenge of it.
@race-partners
@race-partners 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid guys. I leaned a lot
@Fernandosantanajr83
@Fernandosantanajr83 2 жыл бұрын
How much does a project like this go for? Your work is amazing!!! Started saving to see if you can do some custom work on my 944 😆
@lexeg1
@lexeg1 2 жыл бұрын
Happy new year . Awesome video great learning
@crouchingwombathiddenquoll5641
@crouchingwombathiddenquoll5641 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video and skills. But let's hear it 👏🏼 for the camera man, great viewing angles on the work being done 👍🏼🇦🇺🌏
@CrucibleCoachworks
@CrucibleCoachworks 2 жыл бұрын
Logan is very good at what he does! 🤝🏻
@crouchingwombathiddenquoll5641
@crouchingwombathiddenquoll5641 2 жыл бұрын
You make a great team. I'm a new subscriber 👍🏼
@benfidar
@benfidar 2 жыл бұрын
Can you use old wire hangers from the dry cleaner?
@Justiccc
@Justiccc Жыл бұрын
MIG welding my panels - shlould still go with a solid straight weld after tacking them ?
@thomaskirkpatrick4031
@thomaskirkpatrick4031 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes, yes please do a video on the English wheel.
@scottwilliams997
@scottwilliams997 11 ай бұрын
How and where did you get the dies for your eastwood planishing hammer.... Mine are extremely small?
@MLFranklin
@MLFranklin Жыл бұрын
I read about "hammer welding" in a Petersen autobody book from the 1970s. They used oxy-acetylene.
@jasoncardoza6375
@jasoncardoza6375 Жыл бұрын
Where the center seam was welded, do you spend more time defining the body line later or use body filler to correct it? I’m not trying to sound rude or anything I just noticed it looses it’s sharpness in the center there… or is my mind playing tricks on me because I know it’s been welded there?
@fullswinggarage4128
@fullswinggarage4128 2 жыл бұрын
What size wire and tungsten do you like to use for sheetmetal
@larsenroed
@larsenroed 2 жыл бұрын
How would you tackle the same task with a mig? Great channel!
@johnbarker5009
@johnbarker5009 2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video, thank you!
@EdableVisions
@EdableVisions 2 жыл бұрын
The roof, quarters and floor are galvanized
@dgutsch78
@dgutsch78 Жыл бұрын
Hallo und Danke für die Ideen Die Du umsetzt. Wie sieht sowas am Sedan aus? Ich möchte es gerne übernehmen für den Sedan.
@tristengraham2619
@tristengraham2619 2 жыл бұрын
What kind of tack weld magnets were those? I’ve thought about getting the VIM set
@PrivacyEnt
@PrivacyEnt 2 жыл бұрын
don't you get a broad dip in the welding area, when you sand/grind the top portions of the welds down? How do you account for that?
@CrucibleCoachworks
@CrucibleCoachworks 2 жыл бұрын
When grinding the welds, I do my best to keep the grinding disk completely level and try to stay on the weld itself the best I can
@kristianrave
@kristianrave 2 жыл бұрын
Great video and gold knowledge for my 68 912 project. Maybe i didn't catch it or you didn't tell - but what was the setting on your welder? also i dont have a tig welder. Which one do you use/recommend? thanks and hi from Germany
@VictorMPR
@VictorMPR Жыл бұрын
If the weld penetrated to the other side (as it should?) then how come there is no back-purging going on? Also, never thought I’d say this about a HAZ, but the HAZ on that short weld looked beautiful! Also, also… DO talk more about the English wheel!
@jonboy194
@jonboy194 2 жыл бұрын
english wheel vid.,,, yes please..
@bcwoods360
@bcwoods360 2 жыл бұрын
What size and type of tungsten? And gas pressure cup size?
@Chevy-ud1ec
@Chevy-ud1ec 2 жыл бұрын
what do you do if you cannot get behind the panel to hammer and dolly it??
@davidhashimoto665
@davidhashimoto665 2 жыл бұрын
For warp free welds, be a good welder. Got it.
@Handbuilt1
@Handbuilt1 Жыл бұрын
You have all your theories about cutting , welding and distortion SPOT ON ! But..... There is no way that I would tig weld any new made panel , simply because of the extra work in preparing for tig welding , and the grinding . And more importantly the tig weld is harder than the material which the panel steel is made out of , ...there for harder to control when metal finish the surface . I found that by having the two cuts perfectly matching and fuse the weld with the oxy with no filler rod I get less distortion ,and it takes little effort to planish out ,......I also do the same when welding aluminium
@noellerew8656
@noellerew8656 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips
@brianlove8413
@brianlove8413 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work.
@Grey_Area570
@Grey_Area570 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work going on there, thanks for sharing the how to's
@jsmith9970
@jsmith9970 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot one important factor. Talent. Not everyone can create like you can!!! Just like not everyone can be a master painter.
@VenturaIT
@VenturaIT 2 жыл бұрын
Nice, how do you ensure that both sides are identically shaped (rear fenders)?
@warrenweapon
@warrenweapon 2 жыл бұрын
You make identically opposed wood bucks to initially form the sheet metal...
@dme2453
@dme2453 2 жыл бұрын
What type and gauge metal are you using?
@davidmcgillivray5205
@davidmcgillivray5205 2 жыл бұрын
sweet build
@matthewgarcia4081
@matthewgarcia4081 2 жыл бұрын
What sanding discs do you use ? Grit and brand ?
@CrucibleCoachworks
@CrucibleCoachworks 2 жыл бұрын
Norton Blaze 80 grit!
@matthewgarcia4081
@matthewgarcia4081 2 жыл бұрын
@@CrucibleCoachworks awesome thanks man! You should make a video of your mig welding process too I think that’d be cool!
@bad-bunnyblogger8171
@bad-bunnyblogger8171 2 жыл бұрын
Next project: Modernized Porsche 924. Audi TTrs engine, gearbox and dashboard with your custom exterior touches. Perfect! Lol
@higherwrldsprodction2955
@higherwrldsprodction2955 2 жыл бұрын
thats some fine work sir!
@CrucibleCoachworks
@CrucibleCoachworks 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@noellerew8656
@noellerew8656 2 жыл бұрын
was there any oil can effect that happen
@georgesviderski2469
@georgesviderski2469 Жыл бұрын
Nice work
@pet1srg
@pet1srg 2 жыл бұрын
Great video brother
@danbrown4517
@danbrown4517 2 жыл бұрын
Yes please on the English wheel vid!
@cave0bear
@cave0bear Жыл бұрын
Thank you
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Butt welding sheet metal the easy way.
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Fitzee's Fabrications
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