The Seventh Evidence of a Pre-Wrath Rapture

[@jamescole3152]

It is very frustrating that at least 2/3rds of the Church is deceived by the pre tribulation rapture teachers. And they cling to it like a rope dangling above shark infested waters.

[@melaniehughes8909]

It's really not that many. Calvinism and replacement theology and amilleniumism is all I can find

[@shespeaks1971]

Speechless. David, you are one of God’s messengers. You have taught me so much. I share your videos with others. I am grateful for your wisdom and knowledge and how freely you share it to us.

[@jamescole3152]

The 5th seal proves the first 5 seals are not the wrath of God. Rev 6 Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs 9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, ****until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”**** 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, ****until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.**** Now look at the first **until** in this verse. Notice God has not yet started to judge the world. So the wrath of God has not begun at this 5th seal. Now look at the second **until** in this verse. Notice Christians are still on the earth who are going to be killed. So the rapture of the church has not happened yet at this 5th seal.

[@jamescole3152]

Rev 6 Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances 14 ****Then the sky [i]receded as a scroll when it is rolled up**** this is the rapture of the church. So the first 5 seals are the tribulation for the church. The church is on the earth during this time. The 5th seal shows the church on earth, this is the time of Christians being martyred. Then Revelation 7 the church is in heaven, the rapture is past. When you know this every verse in the bible will fall into place. All of them.

[@conniemaew]

I was brought up pre-wrath, and when I heard of pre-wrath, that sounded much more reasonable to me, but as I studied that, I found it still left problems unanswered, so kept on searching. One of the problems that pre-wrath has is that they put the Second Coming of Christ at the sixth seal which is some point in time in the midst of the second half of Daniel's 70th week. Christ cannot come back then. He cannot come back before the end of Daneil's 70th week, in particular at the seventh and last trumpet because of the following: 1) the antichrist or beast is given 42 months to reign. He reigns over the earth during that entire time. Now that does not mean that the great tribulation lasts that long, because it doesn't. The persecution of the saints (great trib) is cut short by the sixth seal signs. However, while the wholesale slaughter of Christians and those who will not take the mark is cut short, the beast's reign is not. He has 42 months by God's decree, so 42 months he gets. and 2) Paul tells us in 2 Thess. 2 that the antichrist is destroyed by the brightness of Christ's coming. That's the Second Coming. So, if the antichrist is destroyed by the Second Coming of Christ, and he has 42 months to reign after the abomination, Christ cannot come until those 42 months are over. Hence, He cannot come until the end of Daniel's 70th week, which occurs at the seventh and last trumpet, as that occurs at the end of the 42 months/1260 days. So, a pre-wrath rapture in the midst of the second half of the 70th week does not work. Nor does a post-trib rapture (after the bowl judgments) work as we are not appointed to wrath. But a last trump rapture at the seventh trumpet (which technically by accurate definitions is pre-wrath and post-trib) works in every way. Plus, if one notices what is said there, the dead saints (once one is resurrected, one is no longer dead, so they are still dead when the trumpet sounds) are rewarded (which is the Bema Seat, which does not occur until after the resurrection, so this is also the resurrection and therefore rapture) and God's wrath is announced as having come (which means it has not come until this point). Added to that, one sees at the end of Rev. 14 we see the Second Coming and resurrection/rapture followed by the gathering of the wicked to throw in God's wrath, which is presented in chapters 15-16. This wrath is carried out during the extra 30 days (1290 days) of Daniel 12 where Daniel is told that from the abomination until all is finished there will be 12 90 days. It all fits perfectly. The trumpets are not God's wrath. They are the tribulations of the seventh seal. When they are finished, notice that the "angel" or Christ puts His feet on the sea and land and declares that the mystery of God is finished at the seventh trumpet. Is not the Church one of the mysteries of God. Just to clarify, when the signs of the Day of the Lord occur at the sixth seal and people say that the Day of the Lord has come, recognize that that is the people on earth declaring it, not heaven declaring it as having come. People recognize these signs PRECEDE the Day of the Lord so think it has come, but we are not told how long AFTER the signs before God's wrath begins. Heaven announces it as coming at the seventh trumpet. And Paul prophesied (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit) as the rapture occurring at the last trumpet. The Day of the Lord occurs at the Second Coming according to Paul in 2 Thess. 2. Check it out and see.

[@sandrameyer9458]

This was the finest presentation I have ever heard you give! Thank you.

[@annigard8]

Excellent video! Thank you ❤

[@lw216316]

I agree with a lot of what you teach. In 1974 I read 'The Late great planet earth' by Hal lindsey. It made sense with what I believed so for the next 25 years or so I would have been considered in line with the common teachings of the pre-trib group. About the time of 9-11 I began to question some teachings of that group. I no longer believe the teaching that the rapture is imminent. I am now of the opinion that the Tribulation is not the entire 70th week of Daniel (7 Years.) From Mark 13 our Lord tells us that the Tribulation begins at the time of the Abomination of Desolation. So I could be called a pre-trib (with the definition that the Trib begins mid-week, 3 1/2 years after the covenant between the Antichrist and Israel begins. So it comes down to a definition of terms. How does one define the 70th week and the Tribulation. We are now in the Church Age that began after Christ rose. Many will use the Day of Pentecost as the start of the Church Age. The Church Age is to last 2 days (each day is an age of 1000 years), so 2,000 years total, counting from the start of the Church Age. We are within a few years of that now. Another term that I think is not defined correctly by many Bible prophecy students is the phrase -the day of the Lord-. My opinion is different than yours on this term.

[@77saint77posttrib]

Dear fellow believer in Jesus unfortunately you are incorrect about prewrath. Nothing in the scriptures you gave proved anything . Your constant FALSE definitions seemed like a twisted adding to and subtracting from scripture. 1. The one and only verse that even remotely suggests prewrath 1thess5:9 is weak at best. 2. The previous verses clearly give a different timing. 1thess5: 1-6 a. The day of the Lord comes as a thief BUT NOT to the living believers!! b. There are living believers when the day of the Lord comes as a thief. c. What is the timing of the DAY of the Lord?? The timing is sudden destruction comes upon the wicked when the world is celebrating peace and safety?? 3. The depicted destruction of the wicked in Zechariah 14, Rev 19. 2thess2: 1-8 . Matt13: 24-30 and 37-43. 4. Day of the Lord comes as a thief?? 2peter3:10, matt24: 42-44, 1thess5: 1-6. 5. Rev16: 15 after the 6th bowl Jesus interjects saying " behold I come as a thief...." this is the only place in Revelation that uses this term. Timing is after the 6th bowl??? Why is this phrase interjected, here??? Because this announcement proclaims the timing. 6. The false definition of the wrath that ALL believers are saved from isn't the seals trumpets and bowls of the final 3 years before the 2nd coming. The wrath of God that ALL generations of believers are saved from is Rev20: 14,15. John 3: 16 Whosoever believes in Jesus shall not PERISH ( lake of fire) but have everlasting life (saved) . Not avoiding the tribulation!! 7. John17:15 Jesus says " I pray NOT that you take them out of the world but that you KEEP them FROM the evil ". KEEP FROM means protection. Then in Rev3:10 Jesus uses the same phrase " I will KEEP you FROM the hour that comes on rhe whole world" . This KEEP FROM is not removal out of the world but PROTECTION. 8. Unfortunately during the time of tribulation the antichrist will have his evil kingdom with the mark of the beast enforced against Christians. Martyrdom is determined for many, but Father God and Jesus through the Holy Spirit will not let satan kill all believers. 9. Clearly in scripture rev13 tells us that the beast will war against the saints( believers) also rev14: 12,13 the patience of the saints and those that die in the lord ( Christians). Conclusion;; there is no pretrib midtrib or prewrath resurrection and rapture. It's all posttrib!!

[@overcamehim]

On that last chart, he has the last trumpet (1Cor. 15) the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the catching up to the Lord, the "rapture" before the apostasy and the antichrist is revealed. That goes not agree with 1Thess. 5. Let no man deceive you.

[@moserh]

Amazing, this Message is so clear, that there is no need for comments at all!

[@michaelj.spencer5276]

Thank you warmly David - wonderfully presented with true humility. Blessings aye

[@rockkstah2550]

The 7 year already started, it began on October 2 2024 when the UN made 192 nations signed a pack to give away their sovereignty to the UN.

[@bugsocsollie1694]

Can't be. The falling away or Departure happens first. Then the man of sin is revealed by confirming Israel's covenant for one week.

[@joeynelms]

@bugsocsollie1694 Jesus says that the antichrist is revealed at the mid point. Not the beginning.

[@idaacito6255]

Great message

[@amirhassani3553]

God bless you brother. We will go through the Great Tribulation. May our faith in Lord Jesus Christ remain unshakable. In Jesus name I pray 🙌

[@jamescole3152]

Yep. The seals of Rev 6 are the same events of Mat 24. So many Christians have never taken the time to compare them verse by verse.

[@Jacobbethel]

Yes..perfect fit. 1 Thess 4:13-18 talks about the order of Rapture 1Thess 5:1-10 is a continuation of Chapter 4 and talks about the timing of the Rapture..which is at the Day of the Lord. If you go compare with the Old testament..you realize that the Rapture will happen just as Jesus said.."immediately after the tribulation" after the sun and moon are darkened....

[@edithajokokech4701]

Excellent

[@Jesusexplains]

WHAT PREACHERS and TEACHERS have not yet understood is that Rev6:12-13 KJV is a PREVIEW VISION of some of the events that will happen at the 7th LAT TRUMP that happens at the 7th TRUMP within the 7 SEEAL.

[@henkderuiter7236]

70th week finished after the 69th! Thus was already fulfilled by Jesus.

[@AdrianneMilam-qk7ze]

Elijah will show up in this world today and think that he is in hell compared to his day

[@llrudin]

How is the pre -wrath view different from the mid-trib view?

[@Tyler-xd9rb]

The "mid-trib" view places the rapture at the mid-point of the 70th week of Daniel, coinciding with the abomination of desolation. The pre-wrath view places the rapture at some point during the 2nd half of Daniel's 70th week, after a time of persecution by the anti-christ. The only clue we have as to when can be found reading the trumpet judgements. In Rev 9:1-5 we are told that the 5th trumpet lasts 5 months. So the rapture would have to precede the end of the 70th week by at least 5 months. One can surmise that it will be sooner than that given that there are other trumpets plus the bowels but we are not given a time span for those so...

[@melaniehughes8909]

The last trump uis actually a real part of the feast of trumpets. It's the last and longest trumpet blast of the festival.

[@danschweiger3700]

Honest question: If at the midway point of the 7 year time of Jacob’s troubles the antichrist is inhabited by Satan and he survives an apparent mortal head wound and then sets up that all on the earth shall worship him and take the mark of the beast or be beheaded. If the church/christians are still on the earth and have not been raptured then they will all be beheaded since they will not take the mark. If so, then how could the rapture happen after that if they’re already dead and in heaven? Everything else you presented makes total sense biblically.

[@garygeorge4105]

This is still future.not long to wait.very good message

[@jamescole3152]

"the trumpet and bowl judgements" Correct.

[@CornieOdendaal]

When was this?

[@zionshopeorg]

December 2023. We have a small staff and are quite behind, but beginning to post at a faster clip. Despite the time frame, the crux of the video -- the seventh evidence -- is perfectly relevant and up to date. Thank you.

[@decay-154]

Daniel 9 : 24-27 says Messiah will be crucified after the 69 th week. Where on your timeline does Jesus die for our sins? How long after the 69th week? Or do we wait for the 70th week ? The Septuagint translation says Messiah died in the middle of the 70 th week

[@GARDEAZABALZ]

Not true.... Matthew 24 says clearly after the Tribulations.

[@annigard8]

​@@GARDEAZABALZAfter the tribulation is the wrath.

[@jamessremos]

(Apostasy and man of sin) 2 Thessalonians 2:1 makes "that day" in context, the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto him / rapture....in context: the rapture cannot happen until the Apostasy and the man of sin is revealed... this is perfectly in line with the order of events in Mt24 Apostasy then abomination of desolation, then cosmic disturbances, then rapture. It's more a proof of the prewrath rapture than Mr. Rosenthal even cited.

[@jamescole3152]

Also notice the vision Daniel had was sealed until the end. And Jesus opens the seals......

[@lukewagner8871]

Look up the word wrath in the book of Revelation and you will find it is mentioned twice after the great earthquake. Revelation 6:16-17 KJVS And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: [17] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? And right after the seventh trumpet when the rapture takes place of the two witnesses and the manchild, Re 11:11, 12:5. Revelation 11:15,18 KJVS And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. [18] And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

[@lizstapelberg1862]

When does the restrainer get removed? Just before the tribulation ,, where is the church during the tribulation ? When is Jacob's trouble ? Is this in the middle of yhe trib?

[@saludanite]

Anybody who actually READS the BIBLE knows this! If you finally come to the words; "Surely I come quickly." You have just finished reading the proof.

[@luzivoneramirez-bauers2690]

PLEASE, IF RAPTURE IS BEFORE TRIBULATION, HOW COME IS THERE GOING TO BE TWO TIMES FOR THE FIRST RESURRECTION, ONE AT RAPTURE EVENT AND THE SECOND TIME AT THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS.......IS THAT RIGHT.....

[@Tyler-xd9rb]

Your answer is found in the meaning of the Greek word, parousia, that is translated coming. It is literally presence, or coming and continued presence. His presence is initially when He is seen by the entire world, in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. See Matt 24:29-30. I believe the world not only sees Him but also the throne room of God which is revealed when the heavens are rolled back as a scroll. See Rev 6:12-17 which speaks to the same event as Matt 24:29-30 with more detail. I also believe His presence remains visible, with the church while the trumpets and bowls are occurring after which His coming continues with Him coming on down to earth to defeat the anti-christ and his armies at the battle of Armageddon and set up His one thousand year reign over the earth from Jerusalem.

[@Tyler-xd9rb]

Sorry, I should have added, there is only one "first resurrection." The book of Revelation is not totally consecutive. Some parts of the book go back and fill in details of earlier occurances. See Rev 12:9-17 speaking to the time when the anti-christ is empowered by satan, commits the abomination of desolation and the time of great tribulation. God bless!!!

[@kayla0076]

I know I have found no one who can properly explain it.

[@LyleCooper]

David, you show the first seal as the Antichrist. Many people believe that, but they all are pulling that first seal out of its context of chapters 4 and 5. 1. Jesus was NOT SEEN in the throne room in Chapter 4, showing us a time while Jesus was on the earth. We can be sure that John saw EXACTLY what God wanted John to see. Since this book is the revealing of the SON, we MUST take notice that Jesus was NOT SEEN at the right hand of the father. God has given us a dozen verses telling us that Jesus went to sit at the right hand of the Father. Stephen SAW Him there. Why then, in a book of Christ's revealing did God show John a vision of the throne room with the leading character MISSING? 2. The Holy Spirit was SEEN in the throne room, showing us a time before Jesus ascended to send Him down. Remember, Jesus told His disciples that He would send Him down as soon as He ascended. Yet, in this vision, the Holy Spirit is there in the throne room, meaning, NOT YET sent down. 3. Jesus was NOT FOUND WORTHY to open the book in the first search John watched. This shows us that Jesus had not yet risen from the dead. Without a doubt, written on the outside of the book, and visible, would be instructions as to WHO would be worthy to take the book and open the seals. My guess is, it would be the same One who sealed the book when it was created. Also, it seems it must be a MAN ("no man was found.") Again, my guess is, it had to be a man who could prevail over death. 4. JOHN WEPT MUCH. Why much? He wept until Jesus prevailed over death and then became worthy to open the book. The next thing John saw in the vision was Jesus suddenly entering the throne room where He had been gone for 32 or so years. He ascended after sending Mary away, entered the throne room, sent down the Holy Spirit, and took the BOOK from the Father. WHEN? Around AD 32. 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. No one can find 2000 years there, for that was not the intent of the Author. Jesus opened that first seal around AD 32-the very time He sent out the church with the gospel. The FIRST SEAL: represents the CHURCH sent out with the GOSPEL. Seals 2, 3, 4: God has allowed the devil to use WARS, FAMINES, and PESTILENCES to try and stop the advance of the Gospel. These three horsemen, the RED horse and rider, the BLACK horse and rider, and the PALE horse and rider were LIMITED in their theater of operations to only one fourth of the surface of the earth, probably Europe, the Middle East and Africa-the very places where two world wars were fought, where famines have been common, and where the black plague hit again and again. Seal 5 was opened in time for Stephen's murder, becoming one of the first murders and martyrs of the church age. They were crying out wondering how long they would have to wait for judgment to begin when their murders would be judged. In short, they were told they would have to wait for the FINAL MARTYR to be killed as they all were killed, in the same category, as church age martyrs. In short, they will have to wait for the pre-tribulation rapture to END the church age, so judgment can begin. Therefore the rapture of the church must come AFTER the 5th seal. The 6th seal begins the wrath of God, so the rapture must come BEFORE the 6th seal.

[@jamescole3152]

Yep, the 7 trumpets of Revelation have nothing to do with the last trump...... of the feast of trumpets. The feast of trumpets is AKA as the "day no man knows"....

[@jamescole3152]

Also just think about what you said in this video. That the Antichrist stops the sacrifice and offering. Now tell me when Jesus died on the cross was that the end of sacrifice and offering in the age of grace? Did God accept the shedding of animals blood after Jesus the Son of God was killed? Hebrews 7 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. ...... 13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Jesus ended the sacrifice and offering in the temple. At least during the age of grace. The temple is called the temple of God in the last days so..... Watch the video below if you want to see maybe the best video I have ever watched.

[@AdrianneMilam-qk7ze]

Jesus said of JtB that Elijah has already come

[@Tyler-xd9rb]

John said he was not Elijah. In a related comment, Jesus put a condition on that... if you will accept him. They didn't accept John, they imprisoned and killed him.

[@JamesBrown-ys6ji]

If you are in Christ you will make it, the when doesn't matter. It is false to say if people don't belive these topics the way you do are doomed. Christ saves not doctrine views

[@jamescole3152]

Don't try to explain what the pre tribbers say. You must know by now they will twist every single bible verse to try to make it fit their pre trib rapture. Of course they can't do it.

[@johnpeterson4868]

Sorry folks no pretrib rapture Jn.6,39,40,44,54 Jesus said All on the last day and Paul said at the last trumpet Rev 11,15 Matt 24,29,30,31 1cor 15 50,51,52 1Thess 4,13-17 Rev 10,6,7 time no more.

[@bigtobacco1098]

One return not 3

[@kenpolin1227]

Pretrib rapture is clear in the Bible. Anyone who speaks against it is participating with the enemy to deceive many so they will miss the church departing for Jesus her Bridegroom. Amen.

[@kennethmuxlow8626]

What about those in heaven during the great tribulation asking god when will we recieve our new bodies?... They havent gotten new bodies yet because the resurrection hasnt taken place

[@frankw.1721]

Nope. PWR is correct. Don’t be fooled by the Darbyites.

[@joeynelms]

@kenpolin1227 How can anyone that is saved miss the rapture because of the view they believe in?

[@JamesBrown-ys6ji]

It doesn't matter what position you take. It's about christ, not a doctrine. Christ brings us together doctrine decided us. Doctrine doesn't get you to heaven, the cross does.

[@jamescole3152]

that is not what the image of the beast is, The image is just another name for Mystery Babylon, the One World Religion, the kingdom of the false prophet. I can prove this but won't here. If you go back to Daniel you will see the little horn has 2 main attributes. 1 speaks pompous words against the most high God 2 makes war with the saints Now look at the image. Rev 13 that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. Now look at the false prophet with 2 horns like a lamb...... this is your false Christ. I can prove this is the Man of Sin. I'll add one more clue. Mystery Babylon is drunk with the blood of the saints and martyrs of Jesus. Now why? Because of the words she spoke caused the Christians to be killed. She causes the whole thing. Just like the image causes the whole thing.

[@Tyler-xd9rb]

You can prove it but you won't here? You would likely get it as wrong as you did MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. The woman is seen riding on a beast that is the eighth and final beast empire. It is upon her forehead the above words are written. And the last verse in chapter 17 identifies her as a city.

[@ozarksbrotherjerry4297]

Too much rapture dogma, not enough scripture.