The Shadow of the Tower - Episode 1

Hey guys, KZbin took down my original upload of this episode months ago, so this is a re-upload. I've checked the rest of the series and it all seems fine at my end and, now I've re-uploaded this episode, it should now be complete.
However, I think some people outside the UK are having trouble accessing episodes 4 and 5. If it's blocked in certain countries, I don't think there's anything I can do about it. If there is, I'd love to hear it as I uploaded this series here for everyone to enjoy (especially since the BBC don't seem in any hurry to re-issue the series).
Anyway, apologies to those who wanted to watch but couldn't. Thanks again to everyone who's subscribed to my channel. I hope you continue to enjoy the content.

[@MrsTudor1]

Guys, I've been picking up a lot of global blocks on videos lately (including this series). I'm trying to reupload the affected episodes, but it's not looking hopeful. I also tried to upload The Six Wives of Henry VIII, which was hit with a global block within minutes of its publication. So, sorry about that!

[@iamagoogler3324]

It would be great to see Elizabeth R make a comeback to KZbin!

[@wokeeye6441]

Me valde Haec pellicula delectat. Puto Henricum VII redivivum Arthurum Regem fuisse

[@iamagoogler3324]

I have this, Six Wives, and Elizabeth R. Six Wives and E R I can already get to online via either Acorn (Britbox?) or Amazon video, but not Shadow of the Tower. I hate to drag out the DVDs to watch all episodes this great show, so I hope you can find a way around the block. (And By theSword Divided, which I can’t afford to buy on DVD and can’t find online anywhere except KZbin!) And thank you so much for uploading this great show.

[@didirobert3657]

Thanks for the upload! When did this series originally air? It looks like maybe the 70s?

[@didirobert3657]

Oh, when I found out about Coronation Street, I planned to see if I could find the first one and then watch in sequence, but they seem to be scattered around. What a shame!

[@annstillwell730]

Love this miniseries. One of the most historically accurate.

[@aro5490]

wow I've loved the Six Wives & Elizabeth R series for decades. I never knew this series existed. Thanks for posting this.

[@gvivo2120]

This vintage British TV series is unquestionably a classic. I commend not only the acting but the script as well... I no longer hear the same quality of dialogues in our contemporary period dramas. No matter how many times I watch this series, I never cease to be fascinated by the elegance of its LANGUAGE, the poetic cadence of its sentences and phrases, the spontaneity and quickness of its wit. I dare say that it has elevated the English language to a sublime level: the PHONETICS here is simply unparalleled and I have never heard the Queen's English enunciated with such consummate skill. At the risk of sounding fulsome, I was so moved by the beauty of its language that I almost wept. Even the masterful use of intonation and voice modulation is nothing short of majestic. Eventually, I ended up asking why we don't have this same quality in our contemporary TV series in this digital age? Perhaps my taste is rather archaicc but part of the answer could lie in the fact that even the English language may have evolved alongside technological advances -- the two being inversely proportional to each other (for lack of a better term). Watching "Shadows of the Tower" is much like earning the privilege of seeing the Royal Shakespeare... for free. It is sheer joy. Kudos!

[@Annesrandomthings]

Nice summary.

[@msdisco85]

Some of the acting has a stage-like quality that is typical of the time, but it's like CGI and special effects - you forgive it's age where you can still enoy it.

[@deborahrobertson8606]

I was lucky enough to be a child in the UK, in the late 60s and a teenager in the 1970s. The BBC then was a free university/ music hall/cultural salon/working man's club/ debating chamber, of the highest quality. The BBC now, is a Leftist sham. (I'm an ex Leftie!). We benefited then from writers, directors, producers etc schooled in the canon of English Literature. For 2 remarkable generations - post war, the English state grammar school system enfranchised and liberated highly academic working class children. Sons and daughters of miners and factory workers ended up at Oxbridge receiving a rigorous, classical education. The 60s revolution was fuelled by that energy. People believed in giving the highest culture ( no dumbing down) to the masses via this new medium of TV. What I saw and absorbed as a child/ teen has never left me. From the early 80s onwards, the dumbing down began. It was a short Renaissance. Disgracefully, the BBC destroyed much of the output, re using the tapes. Utter cultural vandalism. I remember watching Shadow of the Tower as a little girl. Also Glenda Jackson in Elizabeth 1st. I urge you to scour the internet for all the classic BBC adaptations of the 60s and 70s. The stunning Ibsen and Chekhov plays. There were so many plays on - new (Play for Today, Play of the MOnth) and classic adaptations. The actors had all been theatre trained and spoke in clear, mellifluous Received Pronunciation. Another world Recommendations: War and Peace 1971, The Three Sisters 1970; Barchester Towers 1982, Testament of Youth 1979, The Sandbaggers 1979, The Picture of Dorian Grey 1976; Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy 1981, Caught on a Train 1980; Sense and Sensibility and Emma 1971; The Forsyte Saga 1967; Crime and Punishment 1978; Mayor of Casterbridge 1979, Our Mutual Friend 1976...and others! My dates are not 100% accurate. Happy viewing!!

[@deborahrobertson8606]

Oh and Brideshead Revisited from 1980/81, of course

[@aliciamonroe615]

so well said! Agreement.

[@suedearing-ex7ve]

This is from the times when the BBC made properly researched drama. The dialogue is superb. The actors are not selected for looks as much as they are now.

[@NYCZ31]

I dunno about "looks" but James Maxwell is a dead ringer for Henry VII. He somehow channels a long dead monarch and brings him back to life just like Alec McGuiness did with Charles I in "Cromwell"

[@Rev4mpz]

@@NYCZ31 I think they meant looks as in conventional looks, rather than accurary. Because nowadays you got handsome actors playing what is meant to be an aged and fat Henry VIII etc.

[@katharper655]

These days, they're chosen for the role based upon how they look stark naked...since that's what they are for most of the production.....

[@CH-fl6mp]

@@Rev4mpzor just actors that fit into what is politically correct. Not close to what the real actors looked like.

[@CH-fl6mp]

Real people I mean

[@Jamestopboy]

This episodes shows just how suited Elizabeth and Henry were - neither makes leaps or jumps to conclusions and, unlike her sister, Elizabeth knows that Henry is playing both sides like a kazoo and that he'll marry her anyway. They both understand what must be done - and, thus, do it.

[@phtevlin]

I love these British historical dramas. The emphasis is on the acting, and not the props.

[@Londonfogey]

Yes we watch these for the writing and acting. The sets are a bit wobbly sometimes and some of the costumes for the minor characters, eg, guards, pages etc look like they have come from a village hall amateur dramatics society.

[@harrietharlow9929]

Glad to see this again. Henry VII is as interesting as his son.

[@msdisco85]

This series is a lot more about the cost and consequences of the actions we take. As in the fictional two-hander later in the series.

[@Craig-tw4wk]

I think more interesting.

[@bonnacon1610]

@@Craig-tw4wk Minus the narcissism and psychopathy for the win!

[@TimLondonGuitarist]

@@Craig-tw4wk He managed or benefited from a coup d'etat, Henry VIII was always in a position of absolute power so there is no comparison in that respect.

[@harrietharlow9929]

The interesting thing is that the marriage of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York turned out to be a true love match.

[@TheKeyser94]

You do understand that this is a romantization of that era? Tudor and Elizabeth of York was a pure political marriage, to "unite the realm", but discourage any revolt against flimsy Henry VII royal claims.

[@Albukhshi]

@@TheKeyser94 It was indeed a political marriage. But it is historically the case that the two indeed quickly grew to love each other. It was something commented on at the time.

[@TheKeyser94]

@@Albukhshi That if you believe the Tudor propaganda aftermath, if Richard III would have lived, they would have say how tyrannical and a usurper Henry VII was.

[@Albukhshi]

@@TheKeyser94 Who said I'm going off of Tudor propaganda? No, I believe what the ambassadors noted from Spain or France; they're very clear Henry was close to his mother, and loved his wife. his reaction to his wife's death is well-known.

[@melissakrauss9180]

@@TheKeyser94 History is always written by the winners.

[@dr.impossibleofcounterpunc1984]

This series never had a UK DVD release, which is a great shame. James Maxwell was superb as Henry 7th. Though their are limitations with studio being the predominant factor, this BBC series runs rings around anything being produced by the state broadcaster in 2024. The 1970s were the golden age of British TV, and Shadow of the Tower is a remarkable series worth investing time in.

[@raginisingh-zk3sc]

A wonderful documentary bbc should put up all their old ones they are simply superb

[@EM-lz9kg]

Really miss these brilliant old British theatrical dramas. I wish they would bring them back more often. Same as I Claudius , we really got incredibly well scripted historical drama

[@raphaelandrews3617]

Top acting, writing and Directing. You have to watch every second or you will miss something important.

[@farabovetheclouds]

Thank you for uploading this! My 15th great grandfather is Humphrey Stafford so I was very excited to learn a bit more about his story.

[@seltaeb9691]

..my Leige😞.

[@AbuLaith1963]

If your ancestor was the Duke of Buckingham, your claim to the throne is of similar weight to Michael Abney Hastings. This is not only via Thomas of Woodstock, the fifth son of Edward III but, via the de Bohun family back to Margaret of Wessex. That is that it trumps Charles III's.

[@GrumpyKitten375]

Thank you for uploading this absolutely crafted series. The acting, language, cadence and the costumes are just exquisitely executed. Margaret Beaufort's widows weeds looks exactly like her portrait. The producers paid such immense attention to detail and quality of acting make this an incomparable series that no one has been able to reproduce. The British acting based on theatre and Shakespearean dialogue is unmatched. The arrogance of the USA actors who've tried to emulate this acting are poor desperate understudies who have no comprehension of this acting method.

[@annamcuthbert3993]

Watched the series many times OUTSTANDING

[@harrietharlow9929]

This is one of my favorite series.

[@Maiden_Warrior_Crone]

Thank you! I really enjoyed watching this again! Cheers from Croatia!

[@MrsTudor1]

You're welcome!

[@SheSmilesattheFuture75]

So excited I found this! I would love to be able to wear the dresses from this series!

[@Londonfogey]

My wife affects not to be interested in this kind of thing but occasionally she will come out with comments such as 'I WANT that dress,' while watching.

[@EM-lz9kg]

The actors in this Specially, the actor playing Henry the seventh is superb. The forecast is superb it’s beautifully constructed it’s like a theatre play which I’m really enjoying makes me very proud to be English and history, even though Henry the seventh right to be king is so thin Im a Plantagenet supporter still would enjoy this wonderful adaptation. the Henry the seventh adapted wonderfully I must say it’s beautifully constructed beautifully acted well written. I’m a rich the third man yet. I am totally in awe of how well he’s proficiently handled this British drama

[@MrRight1000]

British drama is unmatched in the world! We must "blame" Shakespeare for it.

[@seltaeb9691]

Similar quality BBC 70s period dramas here on KZbin is 'The Devil's Crown' & the civil war (British!) 'By the Sword Divided', both highly recommended.

[@yvetteirizarry9537]

Thank you! I do like history very much! Best wishes from Florida,USA!

[@markanderson0022]

Hello Yvette how are you doing 👋👋👋👋👋

[@catraoinekelly2879]

This was a brilliant series so glad I found it! Thanks for the upload, newly subbed 💟

[@MrsTudor1]

Thank you!

[@pk6810]

This series is fantastic. Factual and every detail is so well done, even down to the casting, everyone bares a good resemblance to their characters.

[@hempress4217]

Thank you so much Mrs Tudor! ♥

[@Elitist20]

I remember The Six Wives of Henry VIII and Elizabeth R being shown on Australian TV in the early 70s, but I'd never heard of this! Perhaps the ABC thought we'd been Tudored out?

[@MarilynRB]

I absolutely adore your channel and thank you for all you do! Never heard of this series, so I'll be binging it over the next few days! Thanks again!

[@Nana-vi4rd]

I love this show, I just wish I could find episodes 9, 10, and 11. Then it would be perfect. Thank you for uploading. Maxwell who plays Henry VII is from Worchester Mass which my mother's side of the family is from.

[@duantorruellas716]

This is very good. I love period pieces , the dialogue is amazing as well as the acting.

[@cheyenneasiafoxe292]

I love this series--the BBC does history like no other!

[@markanderson0022]

Hello Cheyenne how are you doing 👋👋👋👋

[@persebra]

Wow, i agree with others who said the writing was great. I did not know of this series until someone posted a link of it from a documentary of Margaret Beaufont. glad i found it!

[@aliciamonroe615]

I want more of this!

[@harrietharlow9929]

@@aliciamonroe615 Me, too.

[@rolandrothwell4840]

Henry had a very shakey claim to the throne. And he knew it. He ruled through harsh means to extract as much tax as he could. The title Henry vii the Winter King is very apt

[@otma2011]

I wonder why they blocked SIX WIVES and ELIZABETH R but not this one.

[@mango2005]

Really good series

[@pauloliver6813]

I never noticed until now Norma West/Elizabeth of York breaking the 4th wall at 42:00 . Did it happen again in the series?

[@writeract2]

Never heard of this series - can't wait.

[@timelordvictorious]

Henry the seventh looks like David Warner here .It is intresting the Idea Richard being a tyrant seems to have been common idea when this show was aired an idea only objected to in this day.

[@harrietharlow9929]

I saw the resemblance as well.

[@leanie5234]

The villification of Richard was initiated by the Tudor monarchs and their sycophants. (Not that I see him as lily-white either).

[@shellieeyre8758]

@@leanie5234 Well the rumours of his having done away with his nephews started during his lifetime; I wonder why he didn't produce them to disprove said rumours. He wasn't above a little extra judicial murder either.

[@fivehundrediq5212]

@@shellieeyre8758 That was more Shakespearean propaganda, From what I’ve read he had nothing to do with it. There were too many people around him who did’nt want a boy-king

[@joeoconnor5400]

James Laurenson who starred in the Australian TV series called Boney.

[@milliewilkie1969]

my favouritr era The Tudors and War of the Roses

[@ros8986]

there was a series done in 1966? of the wars of the roses, great cast. black and white

[@endritcudi6420]

i love this series

[@solonsolon9496]

Any chance of trying to put up episodes 9,10 & 11?

[@MrsTudor1]

Hi Solon, I tried to re-upload them a few times, but KZbin keeps geo-blocking them. If it comes to it, I'll upload the entire series to the Internet Archive. I'll post an announcement if I ever succeed in doing so.

[@solonsolon9496]

@@MrsTudor1 Okay, thanks for the update.

[@nigeltustin5995]

This was made by the same team responsible for the 80s kids show Knightmare.

[@olikane530]

superb........

[@theminx386]

Is it just me or does James Maxwell look like a male Juliet Stevenson?

[@chris210352]

Looks like episodes 9, 10 and 11 have gone missing. Anyone know where to get these?

[@melissakrauss9180]

Historically, was the Earl of Warwick really that slow? I feel so sorry for him, regardless.

[@leanie5234]

Apparently, he was

[@Orphen42O]

@@leanie5234 He may have suffered from oxygen deprivation during his birth. After his parents' death, the Earl of Warwick was raised by Anne and Richard. His "slowness" was only mentioned during the reign of Henry Tudor. Although everyone speaks of Richard III's cruelty, it was terrible for Henry to lock away a small child in the Tower. Although the Earl of Warwick had tutors, Henry probably did not want Warwick to be well-educated. Warwick's isolation would have made any child dull.

[@cheyenneasiafoxe292]

Richard III the Usurper......The House of York, then Tudor and in the wings, Bolingbroke!

[@leanie5234]

"In the wings BOLINGBROOK" ?! Henry IV had been dead for many years b4 THIS story

[@shellieeyre8758]

Bolingbroke? What?

[@Londonfogey]

This series reminds me of Peter Sellers as Richard III...'It has been...a hard...day's night...'

[@dominiqueheptinstall401]

This is a great series that the BBC has decided to hold prisoner in their own tower.

[@charlotteechen]

is there a way you can pass me episodes 9-11 please? do you perhpas have a mega or google drive account? i desperately need them :(

[@melissakrauss9180]

I wonder why the Earl of Lincoln didn't decide to attempt to take the throne right away?

[@umbertopacetti8492]

Thank you for loading this drama. Could you upload the drama "six wives of Henry VIII"?

[@MrsTudor1]

I think someone else already has, unless it's been taken down following copyright strikes.

[@MrsTudor1]

Hi again, I tried to upload the first part of Six Wives and got a global block within minutes of its publication. I'll try one more time with some settings altered, but I'm not hopeful. Sorry.

[@truthinthemiddle]

What are episodes 9, 10 and 11 about? Is there a reason why these were the only episodes blocked?

[@shirleyanne6573]

thanks for taking all that trouble!

[@allies7184]

Yes, how glorious! A large band of soldiers killing the rightful king, who was betrayed by some of his own men.

[@kurtmac]

Somebody still thinks that Richard the Turd gained the crown lawfully (hint: what happened to Edward V?)

[@davidcoleman2796]

I know the history. I have watched this all a few times. It is interesting to see how they did this so long ago .

[@DarthDread-oh2ne]

I get it, it's about Henry the seventh-but I wish they would have shown Richard III.

[@charlotteechen]

hiii ! i can't watch episode 9,10 and 11 :(

[@charlybear98]

thank you so much

[@daveashby9989]

Hi :) any chance of you re uploading Elizabeth r ? Entire series? Would be grateful.

[@endritcudi6420]

good 2020

[@JordanKavanagh1993]

Hi there, My girlfriend's father (Sean Roantree) is in episode 9 but it appears to have been taken down. He passed away 13 years ago and they don't have many videos of him. Would it be possible to re upload so I could show her his scenes? @mrsTudor1

[@MrsTudor1]

Hi Jo, apologies for not replying until now, I don't check in on this channel much anymore. Also, I'm sorry to say, episode 9 (along with several others) have been blocked by KZbin. If I just upload them again, KZbin will take it down and give me another channel strike. If you have a VPN, you can set your country to somewhere other than the UK and that might get around the Geo-block. Another thing, I'm considering uploading to another video site (like Daily Motion) as someone else in the comments said it's better for copyrighted material. Would that help?

[@JordanKavanagh1993]

@@MrsTudor1 thank you so much for getting back to me. The episode uploaded to Daily Motion would be great if it is not too much effort for you? Thank you again

[@MrsTudor1]

@@JordanKavanagh1993 It's no trouble at all if it means your girlfriend can see some footage of her father. I'll post here again if I manage to get it sorted.

[@MrsTudor1]

@@JordanKavanagh1993 Hi again, Jo. So, Dailymotion didn't work out in the end - I just kept getting error messages. Instead, I uploaded the file to the Internet Archive. You should be able to watch it there without an account and, if it says "no preview available", there should be links on the right with download options. I hope this helps and here's the link: archive.org/details/the-shadow-of-the-tower-e-09-2nd-march-1972-dvdrip-xvi-d

[@JordanKavanagh1993]

@@MrsTudor1 Oh my god, thank you so much. This is amazing and she loved watching the episode. I really appreciate this and I hope your kindness is repaid tenfold. Thank you again

[@EM-lz9kg]

The white princess is camp compared to this , this is much more theatre based

[@cindyaraya7317]

When is this from? What year was this series made?

[@TheStockwell]

I'm appreciative of you uploading this series. After watching "Elizabeth R" and "The Six Wives" I'm looking for more Tudors! I'll be purchasing this series on DVD - it's not expensive. As to your uploads being taken down, that's what can happen with illegal and unauthorised uploads of copyright protected material. No offense intended. ☺

[@otma2011]

Both of those series were on KZbin for years, suddenly they took them down 🤔

[@seltaeb9691]

We all paid for it chum with our Licence fees, so it has every right to be here & it educates people too unlike The Great on C4. People turning their heat down or staying warm in bed like me this brings warmth watching it. Too much greed now, & this is decades old & the BBC won't show it & buying DVDs is out of question on my budget. Thank god for KZbin.

[@borleyboo5613]

Very good and well researched drama. I have just two quibbles; I don’t like the actress playing Elizabeth of York, and the ladies costumes are from a later period of Tudor history.

[@foleyartist62]

The television equation of Revision Texts for A level history students. Unlike the engaging Elizabeth R starring Glenda Jackson (due to her tour de force performance) this equally studio bound production, with the atmosphere of a staged play on video, lacks any context to allow a general audience to understand who is who, who represents what and what is going on in a production as dry and stodgy as a 1950s Rada school stage show with stiff RP accents. There's a reason they don't make them like this anymore. The main one being not everyone is a student of medieval history. Refreshing to see something so uniquely archaic and the opposite to accessibility posted on You Tube as you can't even see this on BBC iplayer or Britbox

[@roudi9022]

Does anyone know what Jasper Tudor is saying at 21:00 ?

[@leanie5234]

"Nephew ! Remember Lovell !"

[@Albert-Arthur-Wison225]

Writing in gratitude & delight at the availability of this superlative series online, with my own Yorkist allegiance to the cause of the martyred King Richard III ( and, complementing that, to the Jacobite cause of King James, as queerly contradictory as it seems ) being kept a tad subdued.

[@user-fh4tm6vw6y]

I wish they had filmed in real castles 🥺

[@Londonfogey]

Yes, although I quite like the 'stagey' feel of the studio sets. Also, location shooting on video didn't become technically practical until the late 1970s, so the BBC would have had to shoot the series on film, which would have been very expensive.

[@rebeccaherschman3069]

If anyone can get the pbs six wives of Henry 8 from the 1970's id love to know where i could find it

[@dburgd99]

Not sure if you have had any luck but I found that series on Amazon. There is a way to watch it for free(then cancel if you dont want it) if you sign up for a BBC option.

[@388Caroline]

I have it in VHS - It used to be on you-tube but not anymore unfortunately.

[@MrsTudor1]

Hi Rebecca, a few people have requested this series and I do have it. I tried to upload the first part a few days ago but got a global block within minutes of its publication. I'm going to try again with some altered settings, but I'm really not hopeful. Sorry!

[@dionnegonsalves8188]

It's on Sockshare.fm and it's FREE!!

[@kevinmartindempsey209]

What conflict is more known? Wars Of The Roses (King Henry VI VS King Edward IV) War Of The 3 Kingdoms (King Charles I VS Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell)

[@charlybear98]

Is this series implying that Edward V and Richard (princes in the tower) were alive and well at King Henry VII's beginning of reign? They went missing from the tower in 1483 and Richard III's popularity was so low that nobles began to support the upstart Henry Tudor... If the boys had been alive and well, Richard would have shown them alive... alas he could not since he had them killed. Not saying Henry Tudor was any kind of saint and I'm not even saying that Richard III was some kind of monster but it's indisputable that Richard III had the princes in the tower killed.

[@TheKeyser94]

How indisputable? Killing them during a very chaotic time it would be very stupid, more when they were declared bastard, killing them during a treat of invasion by an usurper wouldn't have benefit him at all, keeping alive is was the only way to keep this throne secure meanwhile he deal with the treat. But look at that, they are conveniently dead when Henry comes marching down the country.

[@msdisco85]

Whoever murdered them, would Henry Tudor have patiently waited out a protectorship ovrr Edward V? Those sons were doomed from every side.

[@zakesters]

As you will see an episode or two from now, when the Queen Dowager bursts in to interrupt a Council meeting, no, the series does not imply that: quite the contrary in fact.

[@msdisco85]

@@zakesters I'm not trying to get into a Philippa Gregory bullshit, but the history from previous reigns makes it clear,a claim won in conquest is a claim made solid. If a Perkin Warbeck survived, he was a fool to challenge it during Henry VII's lifetime. The same potential pool of inheritors in the age of Henry VIII? that would have stirred things. I like this series, and I think James Maxwell has a presence that is, while a theatrical performance typical of the period in all TV dramas, still very compelling.

[@zakesters]

@@msdisco85 You seem now to be discussing something else. I wasn't making any assertions as to whether a _de facto_ or _de jure_ basis is the better one for a monarch: I was only saying that this particular television series does in fact imply that the "princes in the tower" were dead before Henry VII assumed the throne (whatever one's opinion about that may or may not be,) contrary to what was assumed in the OP.

[@keithnaylor1981]

1:07 Shouldn’t Norma West have disguised her 1972 hair style for one more appropriate for the 15th Century?

[@Londonfogey]

LOL yes, and some of the men, eg the Stafford brothers, are totally rocking a 1970s Carnaby Street mincer look, with tight trousers, kinky boots and bouffant hairdos.

[@Courtneybenson907]

Is there anyone who knows how to find The Devil’s Crown, it was recently taken off of KZbin.

[@PalaceMidasMusic]

I was watching some of it last night, typing in "The Devils Crown BBC", it may be missing episodes or have a global content block on your country, but worked for me.

[@greentombdive]

I've always found TV's 'left-outs' curious; here they skip-over that Lincoln was Edward iV\Richard iii's nephew, by their sister, Elizabeth. Warwick was the much younger son of their brother, George.

[@lisastone8695]

greentomb dive I want to watch Monsters and Mysteries in America I want to watch Monsters and Mysteries in America I want to watch Monsters and Mysteries in America

[@zakesters]

Uh, Viscount Lovell and the Earl discuss both of those facts from 11:35-12:00. Like, you watched the episode, didn't you?

[@greentombdive]

@@zakesters uh...actually they don’t ‘discuss’ these facts. There’s only “Doesn’t he want to king!?”

[@zakesters]

@@greentombdive You said they "skip-over that Lincoln was Edward iV\Richard iii's nephew, by their sister." Lovell at 11:52 says: "That leaves you, sir: the son of Edward IV's sister--the only man with an undoubted claim to the Crown." You said that another "left-out" was the fact that the boy Earl of Warwick was the son of Edward IV's brother, George. At 11:37, Lovell says (of the Earl of Warwick,) "Yes, as Richard's nephew, he's the next in line, but...a boy of nine." Shortly thereafter, Lincoln makes a little quip about George and his dull son when he says, "Clarence had enough sense to blow on his porridge: his boy hasn't got that much!"

[@dobbersanchez1185]

The smell of appreciated farts is strong in this comment section

[@kernowoggie]

Even Edward IV’s own mother said her husband was not his father. With evidence like that who needs a DNA test.

[@harshaweeraratne5806]

cannot hear.

[@growingstrong1009]

'Lady Elizabeth' , bs , the Princess Elizabeth of the house of york fa😅l of England , daughter of Edward IV!

[@dejaporter7338]

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[@endritcudi6420]

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[@endritcudi6420]

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[@lucieelizabethannwesson7016]

Usurper

[@lindsaycaress450]

Elizabeth Woodville was very mystical like her mother .

[@endritcudi6420]

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[@samanthathompson9812]

Did people really run around wearing crowns in battle?

[@Londonfogey]

IIRC they had slimline 'action crowns' for battle, just a sort of tiara really. The big fancy crowns were only worn for special occasions of state.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

What's happened ?? All the characters are white ?!?

[@savagedarksider2147]

Are you slow or something ? This is set during the medieval England.

[@paulthomas9271]

All the characters were white at that time in history ?

[@triciabyrns7746]

Iiiiiii

[@LadyMaelBethad]

You do know you are in breach of copyright law, I assume?

[@moe9196]

just started watching . If the dialogue & narrative speaking content is historically accurate might be worth watching , but i doubt it, 13 50 min episodes . I scrolled through the first 6 episodes. The production must have been very low budget . For one thing it was shot on videotape which is inferior to movie & Television film . Almost all of the scenes are interior & those tudor interiors are just artificial wood, plaster & paint . Nothing in this series is on location in a tudor era building of any sort . And there are no on location exterior shots.

[@kurtmac]

You need to think of it as a "theatrical play". It's about the acting, dialogue, characters & not about scenery or on location shots! If you went to a play, this is what you would get on the stage.

[@grrriallen7192]

Such horrible acting. I could only watch for about 10 minutes and had to stop. It is thoroughly and completely awful!!!

[@Orphen42O]

It is strange that neither Edward IV nor Richard III made arrangements for Elizabeth's marriage. Richard knew that Tudor would wanted to marry Elizabeth. He could have spoiled Henry's hopes by marrying her to someone else. I wonder if he ever considered marrying Elizabeth to the Earl of Lincoln. Henry himself was in no rush to marry Elizabeth because he did not want anyone to think he owed his crown to his wife. There were rumors that he wanted to marry one of the Herbert daughters because he fondly spent some of his youth with the Herbert family. In the end, he had to marry Elizabeth to satisfy his mother and Parliament.

[@pk6810]

I always found it strange how her father didn't get her a match before he died, she was 17, saying that I believe she was his favourite and Edward the 4th being the soft arse he was when it came to the ladies in his life maybe didn't want to part with his first born till he had to, just a theory of mine. Richard the 3rd I think, was in a catch 22 when it came to Elizabeth, he couldn't marry her, he couldn't marry her to a person of lower standing like he did Cecily of York because the insult of that would of been enough to incite the Yorkist faction to rebellion. He was already on thin ice with them due to the princes going "missing" while in his care. He couldn't marry her to royalty either because he had bastardized her and he also feared her husband would take up her claim to the throne. His hands were tied.

[@fivehundrediq5212]

@@pk6810 According to the White Queen or White Princess series, Richard had no idea the boys went missing, & Woodville & Henry’s Mother had already arraigned to have Elizabeth & Henry to be Married behind his back.

[@pk6810]

@@fivehundrediq5212 no disrespect intended but I really wouldnt go off any of Philippa Gregory's writings as historically accurate, as entertaining as they are.Richard knew by the time he had Elizabeth and her sisters in his custody around 1484 that the boys were missing, they hadn't been seen since summer of 1483. Also, he knew Elizabeth was betrothed to Henry Tudor at that point too as Henry had swore a public oath on Christmas day 1483 to marry Elizabeth in hope of gaining Yorkist support for his army due to a lot of loyal Edward followers being pissed with Richard for what they felt was him stepping over his nephew to claim the crown, I'm not going into all the whether he was entitled to it or not stuff as I'm neither on his or Henry Tudors side to be honest but that's as far as I can ascertain from the history books and documentaries I've seen that was the sequence of events.

[@endritcudi6420]

sir edward willlam ferguiosn

[@grrriallen7192]

Such horrible acting. I could only watch for about 10 minutes and had to stop. It is thoroughly and completely awful!!!

[@ashlye88]

I’ve been looking for this for the past 5 years.... it was on Netflix for the longest

[@EM-lz9kg]

I do like the fact that they’ve got the fact that him marrying Elizabeth was absolutely paramount to him, holding the throne. She had much more claim being the daughter of King Edward.

[@melissakrauss1266]

What did the Earl of Oxford have against the Plantagenets even when the last King Henry VI died, he stubbornly kept fighting against them. One would think that he would have given up the fight especially when Henry Tudor was related to the Lancastrians on the wrong side of the blanket?

[@melissakrauss1266]

Some of the people had always underestimated Henry Tudor much to their detriment. Never assume when it comes to Kings!😉

[@xhagast]

Now THIS is entertainment!

[@cheyenneasiafoxe292]

Henry Tudor with Richard III lurking in the wings and all this in relation to Holinshed Chronicles.

[@Matreshka03-86]

жаль, что нет на русском.