The Shadow of Waco | Retro Report | The New York Times

[@mikehartwig5319]

"This is not an assault." Tank drives through wall.

[@hifuck2474]

Mike Hartwig o. Evii

[@bruhsoundeffect79]

As the FBI says its a movement of peace

[@charlottewalnut3118]

Lewis that’s much worse

[@charlottewalnut3118]

Doggo Yeah and Islam is a religion of peace they say is people blow themselves up in the name of Islam

[@lukewest7330]

I've seen that our nation is falling because of our idiotic choices like the Florida shooting 9-eleven

[@nastyrex4302]

"This is not an assault. We are not entering the building." iM nOt ToUcHiNg YoU

[@theblackschwab3561]

Lol.

[@ferdrewflores3014]

👍😃

[@Kow8675309]

Can't enter the building if you knock it down

[@sappypngn]

Don't need to enter it when it's burning down.

[@wontong7485]

Lol this reminds me of futerama when Nixon was dubbing G.I.Zap

[@juliarogers2383]

I feel so horrible for the children, they didn’t have a say in their fate

[@jackhook4192]

The corrupt FBI did have a say and chose to massacre. Facts for you all it would of took was time for this to be resolved but the corrupt FBI didn't feel like waiting.

[@DirtyGeorge]

@@jackhook4192 it was AFK

[@Pauly421]

@@DirtyGeorge LMAO you mean ATF???

[@DirtyGeorge]

@@Pauly421 yeah

[@justafoon]

@@jackhook4192 The FBI is corrupt, but what they did let the children have enough time to decide if they wanted to leave or not and no one did.

[@popstage101]

"blasted them with sounds like dentist drills, Tibetan chants, and screaming of rabbits" - seems by the book

[@88feji]

Despite how people like to say the governent should have done this or that to avoid deaths, I seriously think there is no other way to end except deaths with regards to doomsday cults like Koresh, Heaven's Gate and Jim Jones...how do you negotiate with doomsday fanatics who are so into their "under siege" beliefs that anything you say during negotiation will be deemed lies and tricks ? For people so deep into confrontational doomsday beliefs, the ending will always be either they commit mass suicide or die refusing to give in to government pressure to end what they do ...

[@lemonpledge2350]

@@88feji I DONT KNOW NOT ATTACK THEM THEREBY JUSTIFYING THEIR INSANE LOGIC

[@iheartlreoy8134]

88feji how about leave them alone it’s not illegal to be crazy

[@Jdalio5]

Cant believe someone could sound so ridiculous!!!

[@runechuckie]

let me correct you, the screaming of rabbits being slaughtered. What a pleasant federal government.

[@JenX_1973]

I was watching this live on tv, as it happened. I was sick at home that day, and I was piled up on my couch flipping channels. I got to this one news channel and it was covering this live. When the place erupted into flames, I thought I was just sick and my fever was making me see things! I will never forget this event as long as I live.

[@jari2018]

I had CNN on my cable back then (sweden) and also saw this and predicted the outcome to violence - tis typical us behaviour from authorites - ridig and a total nounderstanding of relgios groups in US or abroad . Just plain dumb or who the fk do they hire to do thier jobs.

[@joezingher4770]

@Roger Clemons ATF violated their own safety regulations by surrounding the compound with Koresh inside. Under the circumstances, it looks like President Clinton had ordered them to do it that way intending to trap him inside so he would set up a hold out. This guaranteed that they would be on TV every night as long as the hold out lasted. Why would they do such a thing? The only plausible explanation is he wanted a PR stunt to kick off the first bit of legislation, the Assault Weapons Ban. The neat thing is that most of the people who took part in the planning stage are now safely retired. They can testify without fear of repercussions....

[@Gurfi28]

Jari Haukilahti Yeah and that mindset leads to what we see all across Europe. Violent ideologies doing what they want without the threat of law enforcement.. just because it could escalate things (arab clans in Berlin, no go zones in Belgium, mafia in Eastern Europe). Sometimes law enforcement has to escalate to uphold the law. These maniacs prepared for war and they got what they wished for. Should the raid have been called of? Maybe. Would it had ended in any other way? Probably not.

[@drek9k2]

The government of the United States of America murdered a bunch of children by burning them alive on that date. Never forget this.

[@clicheguevara5282]

The Feds fired FIRST, stared the fire, gassed children, shot up the house from helicopters, sniper positions, and machine gun nests ..and murdered all of those poor people. It's not up for debate. These aren't theories. These are objective facts. It's all on video. Watch "Waco: Rules of Engagement".

[@sherpaderpdingo3405]

"They may be hurting kid so we'll torture the kids until they give up". Brilliant plan

[@bryski5990]

sherpaderp dingo it’s so stupid... how are you willing to gas out innocent people including children... and I still see people denying that it’s the authorities fault that only a few survivef

[@Pete3Heat]

Yes and the FBI KNEW that the children didn't have gas masks.

[@blondie4512]

@@bryski5990 They were not innocent, they followed a dictator named DAVID. They had so much opportunity to come out and be safe, but they were stupid. 51 DAYS they gave them... I don't think a regular cop who gets shot at would give 50 minutes to raid...

[@American_Simian]

@@blondie4512 what was their crime exactly? illegal firearms? so their own government concluded with killing all of the women and children inside

[@a.d.3233]

@@American_Simian Dude they burned themselves. The government didn't set the fire

[@amishbull6544]

5:05 "the screaming of rabbits being slaughtered" WTF America???!

[@SteezySteez2011]

Psyops is strange lol

[@nvmffs]

@@SteezySteez2011 Did they hear the sounds too? Hope they didn't stiffen themselves

[@nevango0690]

Additionally Nancy Sinatra's These boots are made for walking

[@seguiilleader7721]

i heard elizabeth warren was in charge of this attack. have you heard that.

[@EP1CNELSON]

did that kind of stuff in vietnam

[@little.wing.]

>be 1 hour of intense shooting >FBI runs out of amunition >FBI press for a cease fire >be next day >FBI heavily dumps miltary grade tear gas into building

[@schoolbus6028]

the first half of what said is wrong... that was the ATF (AFT) not the FBI

[@coiledsteel8344]

@First Prep FBI was Also there Dummy.

[@coiledsteel8344]

@@schoolbus6028 BOTH were there, and Also some CIA assassinTypes.

[@iamcuthulu316]

@@coiledsteel8344, not until the second day.

[@thatrandomguyontheinternet2477]

No >FBI heavily dumps Geneva convention banned tear gas into building

[@spence7985]

“ he says he’s chosen to lead his people through an apocalyptic battle” ATF- “ lets give them an apocalyptic show of force” ATF and FBI- “ can’t believe these people fought us like that”

[@wolfhound45]

A perfect example of “The winner writes history.”

[@88feji]

There's no "winners" in such tragedies, its not like the police squad were celebrating or cheering after the event, they were just as sad as anyone else that it had to end that way ... don't paint the police squad as "evil people" just because it ended that way ... How do you even negotiate with religious fanatics who deems everthing the negotiators said as lies and tricks and are there as the ultimate fulfilment of their doomsday scenario ?

[@ouiroc]

It was proved by the federal government's film of from a drone the FBI shot first

[@1N73RC3P7OR]

@@88feji You seem to forget the part where ATF agents took victory pictures on the remains of the burned house. Nice try at shilling for the ATF, though.

[@brokeindio5072]

I like how they say "The fire was started by the Davidians but no one knows why" and "The leader was shot by a Davidian". Lmao

[@spac18]

Koresh is the ultimate loser

[@niandraladie2953]

WACO=We aren't coming out.

[@TAZ0300]

zappa frank That’s a good one LOL

[@88feji]

aint ...

[@monetti22]

zappa frank WACO What A Cook Out

[@rederen3350]

Oh god

[@fuimoleque]

WACO = white americans crazy and obese

[@skyrocks12]

"this is not an assault" they say as they drive tanks through walls

[@oscarbear7498]

Tank: I identify as Uber eats let me in.

[@userunknown9947]

@@oscarbear7498 "how did you know I'm a conservative republican"

[@oscarbear7498]

@@userunknown9947 😎

[@wag0461]

For those who don’t know this incident was the inspiration for the map Oregon from rainbow six

[@a-trains5368]

No lie, i watched the Waco miniseries & I couldn’t put my finger on why the Waco house looked so similar to the Oregon map. Thanks for this info

[@poopglove94]

its also proof that smoke would be too op on attack

[@JohnnyChapo]

Ive breached that second floor big window plenty of times 😂

[@TRVBAL]

oh?

[@iliahgranovsky3400]

So i was right in always picking fuse

[@djdavis420]

That whole situation was a mess, beginning to end!

[@trollgeneral6624]

Dj Davis and you were there to witness

[@66billygunn]

America is a mess beginning to end.

[@arsenioseslpodcast3143]

Hey, cult leader said so! Just like John Jones in Guyana. I believe that was 900 people dead by mass suicide. Same s*** here. Gullible dummies and a bunch of dead bodies. Lollllll

[@rockman10020]

Who’s here after watching the Waco series on Netflix ?

[@xmeccaxgraham9517]

rockman10020 this guy🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@OfficialKyleMHamilton]

rockman10020 me

[@sterling7178]

Waco: Rules of engagement is long but a must watch. The Davidians were investigated twice for child abuse claims and remarkably the Department of Child Welfare didn't have to attack the building to get in. The ATF decided to attack the building over a $25 permit issue. Just unreal.

[@lechuga777lechuga]

Right here!! That was a really well done show. All these years, I use to think they did a mass suicide. But now I changed my mind.

[@theeboss93]

Tea Puppy Makes you think of all the instances the government has been making up lies.

[@nickjohnsonvideoss1877]

ATF runs out of ammo...the Irony 🙌

[@huntermckee3093]

That was the moment The dividians could have succeeded. They did not seize the opportunity.

[@themurraypeeps5795]

@@huntermckee3093 word, they had ammo for days

[@Slatt.762]

NickJohnson videoss lol

[@MaxedOut77]

Michael Murray max ammo for dividends spawned

[@wyattpeterson6286]

Hunter Mckee Exactly. They stopped firing and let the agents retreat.

[@c00n-h2w]

"This is not an assault. DO NOT FIRE YOUR WEAPONS." "INSTEAD, HERE IS SOME SPICY WIND."

[@mercury1979]

I may not agree with everything these folks were doing inside.. but they didn’t deserve this fate.. terrible.. 😔

[@Cgrazi]

No they definitely didn’t. The ATF starts something they can’t finish yet again.

[@hectorgonzalez3512]

Yes they do

[@kiwisontoast]

@@hectorgonzalez3512 eh

[@jalifritz8033]

@@hectorgonzalez3512 Child brides are without a doubt terrible and abuse off children too, but not one off the 28 children deserved to burn,be shot or stabbed. Not to mention the rest of the Follower we could all fall for a cult leader in the right circumstances. Those were aggressors and victims.

[@cardboardboxman6345]

@Independent I don’t think this had anything to do with religion

[@Hail2theKing100]

Im just here because of The Tiger King, Joe Exotic

[@jamesg1155]

Hail2theKing100 same

[@danixjo19]

@@jamesg1155 Same

[@tananhurley5869]

It’s gonna be another Waco

[@ryanm351]

same!

[@pelona6969]

Hail2theKing100 same here 😂

[@johncase1353]

What did he say at 9:17? It sounded like he said "He got them hot fries, GIVE THEM BACK!" LOL

[@everythingfangirl4532]

John Case 😂

[@Dj-px4yn]

Lol

[@nvmffs]

I'd run to catch them too if someone got the hot fries!

[@totallyradwithjosie3225]

Is that what caused the explosions? Hot fries?

[@LorddOfChaoss]

Hot fries is either the nickname of one of their fellow men, or is codename name for some kind of explosive and/or Molotov cocktail.

[@zolafuckass8606]

"We're the government, and we're here to help."

[@jonasmcclain2134]

President Reagan called these the most dangerous words

[@ssik9460]

@@jonasmcclain2134 “we’re here to murder all your kids” is apparently less dangerous

[@jonasmcclain2134]

@@ssik9460 mussing the point

[@magiv4205]

"Congratulations, you are being rescued. Please do not resist."

[@latishacroissant2238]

Been waiting for a retro report on this. Very imformative

[@johnmoran1317]

Latisha-there will be an HBO 6 part series of this,starting on january 24.. I saw the trailer,and it seems a much fairer,less biased documentary against the davidians[unlike the main stream media in 1993]

[@yunonome5068]

this is filled with propaganda, and lies the truth has come out, and this ain't it.

[@yunonome5068]

how do you know he was all of these bad things? he has no prior criminal record, no charges of murder, or raping children, or brainwashing... what gives you the right to say theses things? The government tortured, and killed over 80 men woman and children who boxed in a corner, there is no excuse for that period.

[@johnmoran1317]

YUNOME_i agree. even if there is some truth in this [about automatic weapons].. the ATF could have arrrested DAvid during one of his many trips to town,then given him a fair trial.The local sheriff had visited the compound often,and found no no cause for arrest.Fortunately other documentaries have appeared,more symathetic[and truthful] towards the Dvadians.

[@alexk1682]

YUNONOME nobody wants to argue with mentally handicapped conspiracy theorists. Hush.

[@aidanc4757]

“The dividians started the fire” Yeah right.

[@michaeldoran4367]

"But it's never been fully explained why." Yeah because they didnt do it

[@venkkooo]

Theyd did. They were a doomsday cult.

[@chickenman5477]

@@venkkooo yeah ok buddy. If the federals were willing to lie about child abuse they are willing to lie about anything dude.

[@sniped8926]

They probably wanted to end it.

[@briancoyote7379]

@@michaeldoran4367 easy to imagine possible motivation for that. Koresh refused to surrender and sacrificed his cult followers for his own legacy. It was in the end, just another suicidal cult.

[@oneinsanegamer]

wait wait so the FBI played sounds of rabbits being slaughtered??

[@adeel7556]

It was used to scare the people to run outside

[@fernandorodriguez876]

You’re definitely naive if you find that shocking coming from the FBI

[@WiLDCHiLD.]

It's called psychological warfare. They figured that if it "worked" during Vietnam, why not a cult that included children.

[@WheresMyInhaler]

That’s not even close to the worst things they have done lol. It definitely is disturbing though

[@mannygforever]

The Netflix series on this was unbelievable. Just terrible what they did to these people.

[@americanpatriot3667]

Manny G. Forever ya I just watched that today I studied this case for a few years now

[@Mr_Beans1900]

Manny G. Forever play stupid games win stupid prizes

[@prophetcitrus9638]

@@americanpatriot3667 Have you studied enough to review the historical accuracy of the Waco Netflix series? I imagine most f the start if not all of it is based off of fact but near the end i feel they definitely took creative liberties concerning the David writing the manuscript, some conversations, where David and his best friend perished or how they perished since they would've been charred and the rubble would've damaged their bodies. Such a horrible situation, God the series got me mad at the Government because the ATF are ignorant, the FBI cant put down their ego, and the attorney general I do feel bad for because in articles I've read it said she admitted guilt for the lives lost at Waco for giving the go ahead when the series shows it as Mitch not giving her the full scope of the operation.

[@bd12843]

Netflix series was one sided and fictional

[@americanpatriot3667]

Garrett Blyat a lot of it was made up to the cult the right wing to the scripture he wrote it was an attack on them they tried to cover it up I know the last guy the atf member on the roof was a secret service member and he purposely shot a few of his team members on purpose while they were inside and blames it on the people inside

[@mikepotter5718]

I wonder how these people would have reacted if blacks or Muslims were stockpiling weapons?.

[@tigerburn81]

"If"?

[@lukeromajas1459]

you do realize there were black Davidians, right?

[@donjuanbanks4552]

Go Hizle stop it.....the media covered it extensively

[@thomassands3729]

They would probably not get burned to death

[@VincentIrkallaOfficial]

Do an internet search for the Nuwabian compound called Tama Re.

[@Seagull780]

You know, the words "be a Messiah, not a destroyer" mean a lot coming from people who just pumped your building full of flammable gas causing a huge fire.

[@Seagull780]

@@asbestosfibers1325 I never said anything about ignition I'm just saying that pumping fuel for a fire into a building where you have no way of knowing if someone has a lit candle or anything in there is not a very non-destructive thing to do.

[@ihonest5355]

@@asbestosfibers1325 you don’t know that no one ever will.

[@linfrey1103]

@@asbestosfibers1325 "We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing"

[@dreddd7980]

@@asbestosfibers1325 are u really that naive?

[@trevor6433]

I love how almost nobody knows about this, just because a lot of it was covered up.

[@the36jmeable]

Yeah I was eight when this happened, became woke up in 2009 and haven't thought about how this might be a cover-up till I saw it on Netflix. And even now they don't report this correctly for instance it was a person in the building that called for a ceasefire, not the Atf.

[@trevor6433]

Jame Sanchezz what can you expect from the government.

[@varangiantactical8843]

@@trevor6433 they said someone intentionally started the fire, but that's false info as well.

[@trevor6433]

Varangian Tactical yeah I know, the ATF and FBI both know that tear gas is flammable, and when they used both tear gas and flashbangs, the fire started.

[@ColwellNC1309]

I tried to search waco massacre on youtube and it didn't even recognize what I was trying to write meaning it was trying to be hidden by youtube.

[@mostlypeaceful1817]

Sets the building on fire.... “Lead your people out David.... be a leader, not a destroyer” -the people who destroyed the building

[@Garbeaux.]

*messiah* didn’t say leader.

[@imranchaudry5822]

Who's here after watching waco on Netflix?

[@nicolesocialstudieshisetpr5544]

Me!! It was so sad!!!!

[@lapdawg60]

The government always goes too far, and they're doing it again. Koresh was messed up, but burning women and children to death by OUR GOVERNMENT was a horrifying example of how far they'll go.

[@estegueydijo....]

guilty

[@AM-ry8is]

@@lapdawg60 lol did you even watch the video? The davidians set the fire themselves.

[@tavvy4530]

ME and I cried a lot

[@EyeLean5280]

I'm not sympathetic to the right wing, to gun nuts or to religious cults but these people were still American citizens and the FBI & ATF screwed this up royally. Their priority should have been to negotiate, de-escalate and get everyone out safely.

[@yourmother3569]

if they really were trying to rescue kids it probably would be a good idea to not gas them and burn them alive

[@donjuanbanks4552]

EyeLean5280 stop it devil....I command you to flee....Nevermind David was pervert with dozens of children at his disposal

[@SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand]

If you give militias room to spread, it’s gonna be much worse. It would’ve been a war.

[@bobjohn2000]

They tried that for 51 days

[@surafelgeleta8533]

they negotiated for a long time. clearly the davidians were stubborn and relectant, and if they continued more money would be wasted. there was no other way, invading the inside with atf and fbi would have caused much more casualties. they did what was right, even if it didnt seem like it...

[@CRAZY-ej9sj]

We are not entering the building just driving a tank through it

[@AZPatriot1912]

10:30 Wait so law enforcement started "cracking down" on something that is a constitutional right? That sounds like tyranny to me

[@heatherrae901]

Indeed it was.

[@newkid9807]

Dallas Hardy it isn’t

[@AZPatriot1912]

@@newkid9807 Bud "A well regulated militia necessary to the well being of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" Militas are a right, to try to abolish them is tyrannical and unconstitutional.

[@newkid9807]

Dallas Hardy constitution is too old, change it up

[@AZPatriot1912]

@@newkid9807 What would be the point of changing a document that states your human rights

[@danikarupe3106]

They said that David was crazy. But, they played tapes of rabbits being slaughtered. Later they burned down the complex with children inside. The government had gone insane.

[@lukecarlin9946]

The government didn't burn it down its inconclusive

[@sherpaderpdingo3405]

@@lukecarlin9946 they filled it with highly inflammable material and had no business being there anyway.

[@blondie4512]

@@sherpaderpdingo3405 They didn't burn it down.. David poured gasoline on everything, he started the fire... Oh but wait, they had 51 days to come out... they knew they were in the wrong and they sacrificed their own children...

[@nunyabidness674]

@@sherpaderpdingo3405 Which material would that be? CS gas (The vapor) is NOT flammable. It IS the result of pellets being burned, but where the burning was taking place was inside the M88, not inside the building.

[@bigfella2111]

@@nunyabidness674 cs is both flamable and caustic

[@laurenjulia1877]

The fact that the footage of the first moments has still never been uncovered, and there's really only one side left that would want that footage to never see the light of day. The atf had cameras carried by the media because they wanted them there. They shot first and made this a violent stand off, otherwise I think David would have given himself up if they had just explained why they were there. They never once knocked on a door with a search warrant to serve, they never tried it any other way than the game they treated it as by storming in as little toy soliders.

[@americanpatriot3667]

Lauren Julia they tired to make these people look evil when in fact it was the fbi the whole time one of the FBI agents there was actually caught shooting other agents and it was one of George bushes secret service member

[@blondie4512]

Netflix made a great fictional version of what really happend. They were there to serve a search warrant, but David and his group opened fire, ready and willing. David didn't want to go to prison because being a molester will get him molested behind bars.. He sank his own people for his selfish ways...

[@laynethebreadlord7373]

If I recall the guy in the window shot himself

[@michaellee1002]

@@blondie4512 so you're told? Again... someone who believes media.

[@blondie4512]

Michael lee yeah sure. And gee how do you get your info?

[@ToddAtkinsShow]

It’s amazing how the Government was able to absolve themselves of any wrongdoing. To this day no one has been held accountable.

[@dementedbowine8681]

yeah they are kinda good at that it also helps if you can preprogram the masses

[@nicestpeoplearound]

Both sides had fault. Preprogramming anyone is impossible.

[@dementedbowine8681]

@@nicestpeoplearound the schools and cinema say that the government always wins even after a total wipe they will say they bettered them selves china has some pretty god dam good programing

[@fivebrosstopmos]

​@@nicestpeoplearound So, is it true what they say? Is innocence really bliss?

[@arsenioseslpodcast3143]

Hey, cult leader said so! Just like John Jones in Guyana. I believe that was 900 people dead by mass suicide. Same s*** here. Gullible dummies and a bunch of dead bodies. Lollllll

[@prod.erebus]

Dammit, they spawnpeeked big tower.

[@kerezsi6847]

StealthinDaBetter best comment (yes I know I’m late)

[@66billygunn]

Don't forget the children they choked out with chemical warfare

[@gruntcartel5130]

StealthinDaBetter rainbow 😂👌

[@oldergolder6333]

So the moral of this whole story is that smoke would be way too powerful an operator on attack

[@niklassrk]

♿

[@DirtyFrank.]

Far Cry 5

[@EVA-UNIT-13]

Frank DaTank tf?

[@universal9984]

DragonFire Blitz look it up

[@IareRubberDucky]

Basically. Americans will destroy the United States before any other force will.

[@brennonjohnson7284]

💀💀

[@kylemma33]

I thought Farcry 5 was about the "facist", "racist","nazi" rightwing militias coming after "innocent" liberals who are standing up for freedom.

[@fredjones7705]

It happened about 25 miles north of my house. We'd been following it for weeks and it was so windy that morning that my brother said "Nothing will happen today because the wind will fan the fires that the gas grenades will cause" Well he was both right and wrong.

[@johnshorba]

This video just informed me that i never learned about any news that happened in the 90’s. All of these news stories have been hidden from todays youth

[@David-um4dy]

Everybody knows about Oklahoma though

[@shrimuyopa8117]

Yah growing up in the 90s I was under the impression that the people in Waco were the bad guys. Getting all the details now, I know that the government was 100% wrong in this situation.

[@johnshorba]

@@shrimuyopa8117 ok but at the same time they waited 40 days didn’t want to come out and was armed to the teeth

[@shrimuyopa8117]

@@johnshorba And? I don't see a problem with that. They hadn't hurt anyone.

[@LMvdB02]

You should be taught about these things in school so you know what government might do and who and how should be held accountable.

[@finalnickadd3141]

The dividians didnt start the fire it was the FBI fault for using these kind of flammable tear gas while the dividians used candles to see in their own building

[@Fuego958]

The ATF went looking for a fight. Just leave the people alone.

[@peterson7082]

The ATF's actions are indeed questionable, but not the case with cause.

[@justjanelol7976]

I know it hurts me still, they were all innocent

[@anaveragenascarfan9048]

They had a lot of illegal guns at the compound

[@levioficeland1425]

The branch davidians were terrible people, but the government handled the situation with complete disregard for human life

[@blacktemplar2377]

@@anaveragenascarfan9048 So? They were sitting about praising Christ like normal Americans... until the atf showed up and killed them all.

[@OAwesomeO]

They had potentially modified weapons and that was it... in texas at that time you could modify a weapon as long as you had a 25$ permit... so that was why all this happened... Honestly they should have just left them alone

[@Lvl18Meep]

@Fortescue First off, stockpiling firearms and ammunition is not illegal, plain and simple. Secondly, *ANY* restriction on the right to keep and bear arms is an infringement on the second amendment, Its almost like they wrote it in a way to imply its the second most important rule of law. Lastly, putting the lives of hundreds of people at risk for the crime of pedophilia is an unbelievably irresponsible use of force. There is no way to justify what happened there. Those that justify the actions of those federal agents and label them a domestic terrorist group clearly have a cowardly tolerance for tyranny.

[@raptorfromthe6ix833]

when a dangerous organization has weapons it tends to be dangerous

[@errorcringyname4044]

@@raptorfromthe6ix833 yeah government is pretty dangerous

[@raptorfromthe6ix833]

@@errorcringyname4044 i was talking about david koresh

[@errorcringyname4044]

@@raptorfromthe6ix833 I know thats the joke

[@Marcus-bh5rl]

This was murder by law enforcement.

[@KimmyQueen]

Absolutely. And a lot of it was just about bruised ego.

[@kyle284]

Now a man who had a say in this is now the leader of the atf. Get ready. Hard times create good men.

[@matthewbutt8803]

Hard times create strong men. Whether they're good or not is a different box of frogs

[@kyle284]

@@matthewbutt8803 I’d say it can go hand in hand in these times. Takes a strong man to be a good man.

[@AngelaShiflet]

This should have never happened! Makes me sick to my stomach!

[@Urko2005]

Yeah theses sort of crazy cults need to be stopped.

[@arsenioseslpodcast3143]

Hey, cult leader said so! Just like John Jones in Guyana. I believe that was 900 people dead by mass suicide. Same s*** here. Gullible dummies and a bunch of dead bodies. Lollllll

[@c.r.n7315]

@@Urko2005 The ATF needs to be abolished

[@highjumpstudios2384]

Fun fact. There were several types of tear gas used, some canister launched ones, and the other a nice flammable powder. The launches tear gas grenades happen to have a very high burn temperature when they go off.

[@braxtongreenwell5482]

Fun fact: I was able to relieve myself of pesky hemorrhoids simply with some househeld welding equipment.

[@highjumpstudios2384]

@@braxtongreenwell5482 thats badass, can you tell me how?

[@bilalc4415]

As a liberal, I used to wonder why conservatives were so anti government and just the way that they are until I read the stories of Waco and Ruby Ridge! I chose to empathize with them rather than scorn them. Yes I believe in gun control, but this was insane. I’m 39, so these events happened when I was young and just looked at them as crazy stories but didn’t dig deep until decades later.

[@Awesomenesspossumness]

How could you possibly still believe in gun control after learning about this putrid tyranny.

[@ERROR204.]

The ATF looked really incompetent

[@AmericaFirst-1]

more like homicidal...

[@Jim_Acosta]

Not much has changed since then

[@michaeldoran4367]

Thank God we have a government that loves us so much and just wants the best for us 😒

[@yellowgreen5277]

“Teargassing” you mean burning the building down.

[@bd12843]

They lit themselves on fire. I can give you the mp3 of them saying to spread the gas throughout the compound if you want.

[@yamiii]

@@bd12843 theres a high coincidence with fire when they use the tear gas. When the director was asked who will put out the fire if it happens, he said "god"

[@bd12843]

@@yamiii sure, and it was a terrible idea, but they didn't mean to do it

[@BADVlBES]

Teargas bottles get super hot so I wouldn’t be surprised if a carpet burned or something, concrete will melt from tear gas cannisters.

[@fraynetrain1370]

Using tear gas is a war crime to begin with

[@user-x57620fzmt]

It breaks my heart to even imagine the fear they had to go through leading up to their death.

[@vengeanceforcatalonia8935]

The children, im sure, were terrified. But a majority of the adults were fanatical to the point of dumping gasoline all over the building. It was a suicide mission for the Davidians.

[@arsenioseslpodcast3143]

Hey, cult leader said so! Just like John Jones in Guyana. I believe that was 900 people dead by mass suicide. Same s*** here. Gullible dummies and a bunch of dead bodies. Lollllll

[@arsenioseslpodcast3143]

surrender, maybe? Jesus freaks have done this before. Look at Jon Jones in Guayana. Remember that? He made everyone drink cyanide

[@wormswithteeth]

*This aged like fine wine*

[@Clickbait86]

“History is written by victors.” -Churchill

[@mjmartinez3244]

Who is watching this during quarantine of 2020?

[@niklassrk]

Yeah at 03:20 am

[@neoanderson367]

From a Reddit thread

[@hashbrown7845]

MJ Martinez nah man, quarantine of 1665

[@Carolina-4JC]

After watching the Netflix series, I'm too conflicted to make a definitive judgment on either Koresh and the Davidians or the ATF and FBI. There were clearly very serious and systematic human rights abuses going on in that compound/commune, led by a charismatic cult leader--and no one should tolerate that in the name of religious freedom. However, these government agents murdered innocent people, including children, in a failed attempt to control public relations. Like Mr. Thibodeau in recent statements, I do not condone the militarization of the police.

[@branddann]

After watching this Netflix series, i can say you were given a highly skewed story of events. U Say there were "clearly" human rights abuses... but it wasn't clear; it was alleged and investigated. Cps did prior visits, interviews with parents and children snd found no evidence of abuse. They use trigger words that urself is passing along.. i.e. compound and cult. A cult is simply a group of ppl with same beliefs. He may have radical beliefs but the way they portray koresh is libel- they claim they committed criminal acts by killing 4 agents.. no they were in self-defense. Koresh came out the front door with hands up saying their are women and children inside and he received a bullet through his hand and had to retreat. Look up Linda Thompson's The Big Lie for the real story

[@arsenioseslpodcast3143]

Well, I mean, the government put the horrible human right abuses to sleep. Put those humans out of their misery. Oh wel!!!!

[@branddann]

@@arsenioseslpodcast3143 my, what a decrepit and repugnant racist you are

[@amandahealey2216]

@@branddann Yet people keep saying CPS is corrupt. And CPS is a government agency. How much more trustworthy can they be

[@DP-hy4vh]

7:24 - more likely a CS gas canister ignited the fire since it uses a small incendiary device to help release the gas from the canister. With all of the debris and insulation inside from holes being punched in the walls, the building was a tinderbox and the slightest spark would have set off the blaze.

[@griffinoconnor1523]

I've been trying to find the name of the opening guitar music for forever, and I just found it. It is called Skyward Bound by Tony Clarke, in case anyone else has been looking for it obsessively like I was.

[@zwj5478]

THANK YOU

[@griffinoconnor1523]

@@zwj5478 glad I helped somebody lol. Also I should clarify that it’s Skyward Bound (Alternative Version) by Tony Clarke. Both songs start the same but the alternative version ends differently and is the one they used for the opening.

[@joeybravo6172]

remember: the feds had no probable cause that the Davidians had illegal firearms. They had their own firing range which was completely legal according to texas state law, and the FDA was called out due to an anonymous phone call that someone believed they heard "automatic fire"(several firearms going off simultaneously can cause that effect, also, how would an anonymous caller know what automatic fire truly sounded like aside from vicarious info like movies and television?). The compound was raided without a warrant, and the assault force was fought off. Then the FBI got involved. They then resulted to burn the entire compound. The gas canisters held a chemical agent that would leave behind a film after the gas dissipates, the film is also highly flammable. Once they began flash-banging the rooms, it ignited the gas. during the congressional hearings the fbi reveals that they had four cameras set up in a house across the street reporter requests tapes with a FOIA request "OOPS! all four tapes were misplaced after the raid!" Davidians claim that the front door to the compound was closed and that agents fired through it, initiating the shootout presence of bullet holes would corroborate this account congressman requests to see door ATF claims it burned up in the fire reporter claims that the door was seen in a panning shot when the local news were filming the evidence locker "oops I guess we misplaced it" Davidians claim that they were being fired upon from a sniper nest in a structure adjacent to their compound FBI denies this vehemently during the congressional hearing a photograph taken from the perspective of the sniper's nest is discovered "Oh, yeah we had a guy up there but we promise that he never actually fired any shots. He was there just in case." reporter comes forward with footage of spent .308 casings on the floor of the structure after the raid The FBI doesn't even have a response to this the sniper that they used during this siege was the same sniper used in Ruby Ridge, the man who shot and killed an innocent woman as she was tending to her children.

[@DiscordCriminal]

Lmao yeah no the ATF started that fire.

[@joshuatraffanstedt2695]

They also withheld and destroyed evidence. There was a reporter on scene when the ATF started shooting and it mysteriously came up missing.

[@absurdh3ro]

@@joshuatraffanstedt2695 as well as the doors showing evidence shooting all came from outside.

[@venkkooo]

No. They wanted the world to end, one way or other

[@chickenman5477]

@@venkkooo thats the most idiotic statement ive heard all day.

[@Crowd_Surfer5.0]

“Davidians started the fire” yet multiple instances exist of teargas of that manner causing spontaneous combustion in that time period

[@justspeedy3650]

Freedom isn’t free we have to fight for it. regardless who comes against us

[@kopingkiller]

Undercover agents could have easily picked up David at a bar or grocery store with no problem. Then picked up others secretly in public with no women and children killed.

[@KimmyQueen]

They made the government look bad because they wouldn't allow them in... Because the government thinks it has rights to enter your property... Then they made the government look bad by making them run out of ammunition and killing four of their agents. Then they realized at some point that they gave all the reasons to so called gun nuts as to why they want to stockpile on weapons and live off grid... All of those things made them look bad so OF COURSE burning them all and going overboard is the answer to their ego being bruised. They did not want a peaceful resolution, they wanted to be seen as strong and imposing and creating from that even more people that have no trust in the government. This was awful...

[@itznunyabizz5548]

I’m here cause of Netflix “Waco”

[@mywifeleftme9110]

Hey cool man!

[@MrPenguin923]

Bandwagon

[@907916110]

You are adding absolutely nothing to the conversation by saying this.

[@Frenchylikeshikes]

I was very young when this happened and did not really understand the implications. But this is just nuts what they did over there: go with military force to bring "order",

[@arsenioseslpodcast3143]

Hey, cult leader said so! Just like John Jones in Guyana. I believe that was 900 people dead by mass suicide. Same s*** here. Gullible dummies and a bunch of dead bodies. Lollllll

[@lmaookaybud]

You have to take into consideration, that back in 1993, the ATF needed something like this to still be relevant. The FBI tried to peacefully tell the Davidian Branch cult to surrender but the ATF interfered with their plans. The Government did not handle this situation well, at all.

[@Bourbonarcissist]

its wasn't a cult. stop believing the media.

[@jaredcoons1237]

A few questions for the Federal Government: 1) How do you justify sending 100 armed agents to enforce a $200 tax fine on a ½ in shotgun barrel? 2) Explain the necessity of unloading over 7,000 armor piercing rounds into a 50 year old wooden structure filled with women and children 3) Why did you lie to the Texas National Guard in obtaining their helicopter gunships? They’re only authorized for Federal use in drug raids 4) Why did you hold back the Fire department for over 30 minutes while the building burned? Was it because you didn’t want any survivors telling another story? You knew that CS gas mixed with fire is fatally poisonous in less than a minute. Say what you want about the David Koresh and the branch dividians but they were on a compound not harming anyone else. Even if they were it wasn’t equal to what the Federal government did and to this day have never took responsibility for this unnecessary tragedy.

[@davidchurchich9634]

"Be a messiah not a destroyer." Sent chills down my spine.

[@fivebrosstopmos]

Do as I say, not as I do.

[@arsenioseslpodcast3143]

Hey, cult leader said so! Just like John Jones in Guyana. I believe that was 900 people dead by mass suicide. Same s*** here. Gullible dummies and a bunch of dead bodies. Lollllll

[@JenX_1973]

Paramount (Spike TV) is doing a 6 part miniseries about this, and it comes on tonight at 10pm.

[@ethan520427]

You’re not allowed to have your own land your own crops your own protection…. Without paying taxes..

[@TheGreatAcePilot]

And this, American kids, is why you need to keep the right to bear arms. No hoplophobia.

[@ElizabethGonzalez-jt7ns]

💯

[@americannationalist4820]

The point of this was because they were having guns illegally and going against federal law

[@micheletait2959]

Um... didn’t people learn anything from Jim Jones????

[@Yeggman]

People never learn from their mistakes, repeating patterns of behavior always happen. Both sides will make grave errors time after time, because few of them are not informed 100 % and everyone is pre packed with biases.

[@arronmalt]

Not the same though. If you don't think the government burned that building I have a star to sell you!

[@daoust26]

Koresh learned a lot from Jim Jones that’s why everything went the way it did

[@6StimuL84]

@alterdestiny At least you get it....

[@Mr.Badree]

Well even though it was an American, most of the people that committed suicide were Guyanese farmers and their families. He also built Jonestown in middle of the Guyana (Which is literally the middle of no where)

[@ilyashahrestani3503]

Casually don't mention the fact that the Davidians were tipped off to the raid when a reporter showed up ahead of the raid and was spotted by the Davidians.

[@TheRealFreen]

I feel like we’re still not being told everything. I think they’re still trying to cover stuff up

[@EsotericOccultist]

It was the reptilian greys in conjunction with the illuminati freemasons. Happy now? 🙄

[@onebuffalo5402]

The fact that the govt covered it up and denied all culpability is just one basic example of why theres such a massive trust disconnect with the average american citizen today and the feds.

[@jasontopster]

If you say timothy mcveigh was evil what do you say about all the government people responsible for waco. They are just as evil if not more evil,

[@JTchills]

4:46 gives me chills

[@ominousduck7929]

I might not agree with these channels politics, but their skills to make documentaries is amazing. Even close to LEMMiNO!

[@mixmaster2909]

7:28 never mind the fact that tear gas canisters and grenades can also start fires

[@nelixsulu6201]

I think they played Boots Are Made For Walking because of the subliminal messages behind the lyrics. “One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you”.

[@JaredConnell]

When the founding fathers wrote the bill of rights, they has muskets that has to be loaded manually after each shot, now we have guns that can fire multiple rounds in a second so it is a little different imo. Now I'm not advocating for or against gun control but where should we draw the line? Should anybody be able to buy any weapon? Should I be able to buy grenades and rocket launchers and fully automatic guns with huge magazines? Or should we only be able to buy small caliber revolvers or bolt action rifles? Or maybe somewhere in the middle? I honestly want to hear other peoples opinion because I'm not sure what is the best balance between freedom and safety.

[@Tumwater02]

...so the US Founders had enough foresight to protect Speech through the Ages but Arms - something many were intimate with - is where they couldn't imagine basic mechanical improvements...? I am "selling" that point of view, where do I wager?

[@mmtoss6530]

Another reason why the government should stay out of certain things.

[@Ryuko-T72]

ATF took "war Hero" pictures ontop of the burnt wreckage, on top of dead children.

[@king7of7defeat]

I know its basicly hopeless. But can I somehow find music used here? Please.

[@tessa8612]

It’s literally heart breaking to see this

[@grantdavis5839]

I don't know what to believe anymore

[@matteopicone5561]

The RightStuff exactly

[@greyarea6739]

Ups was delivering a package and some grenades fell out the box,that was there motive,seems legit?,if you answered yes to tis question then you need to read more

[@matteopicone5561]

The RightStuff do you have any proof of that?

[@alexk1682]

Here's a hint: not the cultists following a maniac.

[@jacoba1470]

Grant Davis you should see the comments on the agent orange documentary

[@kennethardsley999]

I think NYT did this piece exceptionally well. Clap clap.

[@spencermcbride3881]

The intro music sounds almost exactly like toxicity by system of a down

[@sib923]

Yes glad you pointed this out because it is Defo a copy of Toxicity.I was wondering why i recognised this soundtrack! Thanks

[@schztinky2820]

I was expecting the distortion to kick in any second

[@bnawr4336]

they sound similar, but, it doesn't look like anybody tried to copy anybody, Toxicity repeats the same chord a couple of times before changing to another one, while this intro has 2 chords which repeat many times.

[@Pauly421]

@@bnawr4336 4 chords bruh

[@Kbodi]

It’s same same pattern with the fifth, but different chords and no variations

[@DapperDill]

7:44 George Lucas after liposuction.

[@zerg9523]

Wow.... i always wondered what he’d look like with a neck... still creepy

[@gracebeene4639]

According to my mom, my great grandma heard about this happening (we live ten minutes away from Waco) and tried to drive to watch it happen but was promptly turned around by a couple soldiers who were blocking the roads. I don’t know if it was true but it’s a fun story!

[@prizraks1534]

8:58 cat

[@OGFENIX]

Randomass comment made my day 🤣🤣

[@BloodPromise8007]

cat

[@blumobean]

This could have ended much different, but the operation was named “showtime”. Have you ever known for sure they had illegal weapons? The propaganda at the time said they had M2 BMG (50 cal machine gun) and rocket launchers, what a bunch of BS

[@blondie4512]

So David didn't have any weapons and the firing from his compound was from the neighbors maybe?

[@WetaMantis]

@@blondie4512 They were defending themselves from an army of atf agents coming to destroy them.

[@blondie4512]

Weta Defending themselves against criminals would be one thing but not obeying US law-enforcement is going to put you in your grave. Had they come out they could’ve fought it in court. Just like when you get pulled over by a cop for speeding and you feel you were not speeding, you take it to court.

[@blondie4512]

strelacxxx true. But that would just add to their criminal charges. Lol

[@blondie4512]

strelacxxx they gave them over 50 days to get their butts out of that building peacefully some of them did come out and they were not shot. So I think they gave them plenty of time Way more than the common criminal. They should’ve came out as soon as the ATF showed up and they didn’t wanna do it but 50 days later are you kidding me? When the law shows up at your house and tells you to come out you come out. Unless of course you have something to hide and that’s why you start firing at the ATF.

[@campbelldutch75]

Listening to this government lawyer makes me sick to my stomach!

[@tinacampbell1302]

This is a consequence of the ego. Koreshs’, the ATF leaders, the FBI leaders. Ego.

[@pastalovinporcupine6806]

I actually live in Waco and there’s definitely a lot more tourist here because of fixer upper instead of this

[@kieranodea771]

Hey David Chipman, your not planning a round 2 against the general public this time are you ?

[@firenationfiles2063]

The children… 😢

[@realAdamClinch]

1. While there is no proof of either side's account, the ATF is most likely to have shot first. This is because the tape of this whole shootout was seemingly "lost" although authorities probably stole and destroyed it. 2. Throughout the 50 day period, the FBI used psychological torture methods to target innocent children and in turn convince parents to leave the building. This was an unsanctioned tactic that led to exactly ZERO punishment for those involved. 3. When the assault occurred (because it WAS an assault by any definition except the one the Gov wants to use, given that tanks were literally dismantling the building itself), Tear gas was used by the Feds who KNEW from countless previous events that it would always lead to the building catching fire. As of a result, roughly just 10 people made it out alive. Over 20 children died from flames and tear gas, along with most of their own mothers and fathers. And after everything, the Gov literally blamed the people who had been living with those children for years. Were there some murders within the group at that final hour? Absolutely, but it totals up to about 7. The vast majority of blood is on the Government's hands and it's heartbreaking and infuriating that the top-level law enforcement of the United States is responsible for this. The individuals involved in the final scheme should've been tried for crimes against humanity and/or domestic terrorism.

[@justincredible.]

Any of you Americans ever wonder how other civilized countries stay (more) peaceful and safe without everyone owning guns???! Maybe it's about time you should!

[@meretricioussimp7759]

@just_scot lmao i cant get my military grade rifle noo this is slavery

[@traumadiffuser3705]

No. They'll never get it.

[@sweetnerevar7030]

@@meretricioussimp7759 you cannot defend yourself from a tyrannical government

[@sweetnerevar7030]

Like which? England? Germany? Sweden? Europe isnt exactly safe either. The difference is, is that we have less incentive for illegal guns because of less gangs because of less drugs. The US on the other hand shares its borders with Mexico

[@CintreuseGrande]

4:57 I honestly don't even know what to say.