The Shadow Within Secret Boss Fight | Final Fantasy XVI The Rising Tide DLC

#FF16

[@safijivvaboi5081]

I’m seeing a lot of fights and stuff in the comments over how this fight is lazy and stuff. Here’s my take on it: I think the boss is alright, he has a plethora of new moves and his attacks definitely seem way faster and so it’s basically like a endgame tuned version of the boss you fight in the base game, which I think was a cool boss anyways and so I don’t mind this fight. However, the requirements to unlock this fight is to S rank all 20 waves of the kairos gauntlet which I think is very tedious and way too difficult of a requirement in order to unlock this fight. Especially since there is no reward for doing this fight, this fight is done only for bragging rights. I think that either the requirements to unlock this fight should be easier, or that there should be some reward to compensate having to S rank all 20 waves. Also, of course when anything final fantasy is brought up recently, people are gonna compare it to ff7 rebirth. So here’s my take on that as well: I think that rebirth and ff16 are equally as good, it’s 50/50 for me because I do have a bias towards action rpg games. Some of my favorite games of all time which I’ve put the most playtime into after all are dark souls, elden ring, Bloodborne, Sekiro, Nioh, etc. and so I hold this game in high regards. I think rebirth has a bunch of things it does better than this game like sidequests and stuff, but also think this game has a bunch of things it does better than rebirth such as boss fights. Of course this is just my opinion but I’ve been seeing a lot of people who think that this game is a lazy hot piece of garbage and that if you even remotely like it, that you are just coping and that rebirth is so much better. Which I think is crazy lmao, people have their game preferences and some people may not like the party fighting based gameplay of rebirth and would prefer the solo fighting experience that ff16 gives. The combat of this game will either click with you well or it will not. And if the combat of this game doesn’t feel good to those people then obviously they might just click with rebirth a lot better. None of these games are objectively better than the other and so all the arguments going on over which is objectively better is just pointless and it’s unnecessary.

[@HunterForHire422]

Well said

[@zerase84]

Understand you come from action rpg genre, do try to understand from the point of jrpg as well. Rebirth and button mashing combat aside, all of the final fantasy main titles have a party system. Like if joshua, jill, cid, dion etc are permanent party members where you can equip items and skills for them and form a team. That is the soul of jrpg.

[@DSTkunn]

​@zerase84 And with that in mind, you have to consider the fact that Yoshi P said he doesn't like to prescribe to the term JRPG because at the end of the day they are making RPGs. Having a party doesn't make it an rpg. It's the same song and dance whenever anyone tries something new with Final Fantasy, which is funny considering the point of each one is to tell their own story from each entry. The heart isn't the turn based or action, the party or solo exploration, it's the story and always has been. The gameplay is just the transportation for the journey.

[@safijivvaboi5081]

@@zerase84 well it was obvious they were trying to do something very different with ff16. They always advertised it as their first ever action rpg which is why I don’t get how people always try to compare this to previous titles. They are extremely different games so why some people take comparing these games so seriously I will never get. In my eyes FF16 is just a completely different vision of FF and the only similarities it has from previous FF titles is having the same summons, and keeping the iconic creatures such as chocobos.

[@Bloodhurl67]

The difficulty for achieving this fight is fine imo but having no reward after S ranking all circles is the dumbest shit.

[@darryldavis6063]

This game has set my expectations high for future use of summons.

[@Blagon]

Considering that you can beat Kairos gate on normal mode, I think this secret fight should be unlocked just for beating it on Final Fantasy mode. Especially considering once you die, or get the S rank, you have to start all over again. I hated that about the brutal and legendary vr missions on rebirth.

[@MixedMilk1]

the difficulty for this mode is set, does not change depending on what difficulty you choose.

[@barrib158]

@@MixedMilk1 The description is confusing but this is not true, it just defaults to action-based (meaning if you enter on story or lower, it will be action-based difficulty) but if you enter on FF mode it is harder. You can see at the top of the screen that the difficulty is shown as Final Fantasy, and you can also see that Clive is level 80 and enemies are 85 which is not possible on action-based.

[@deathryder420]

I think rewards that enhance limit break for you and torgul or an unlimited limit break accessory would be simple but cool rewards for this fight, a shadow clive and limit broken clive skin would be cool too as rewards

[@Blastanker]

We already have the berserker ring for that. Dodge once and you have free limit break for like 5 seconds, and you can dodge again for with no cooldown for it

[@NeroV1L3]

​@@Blastanker They just meant an accessory that makes limit better

[@darryldavis6063]

I like the Torgal idea

[@veritasaeterna]

@@NeroV1L3 more accessory slots, more eikons we can use in battle, i want 4 instead of 3, that woulda been nice, honestly i thought the game was great combat wise

[@snarffles5687]

Not going to lie, I was hoping that this would be either Alexander or Gilgamesh

[@radkesrealm]

should have been gilgamesh or some classic ff staple

[@Haseo55]

I also thought it would be Gilgamesh mainly the new one.

[@radkesrealm]

@@Haseo55 I thought after playing ff7 rebirth, I hoped.

[@chotho4718]

It is surprising and disappointing that FFXVI doesn't have Gilgamesh, he has been in almost every popular final fantasy game. Medieval Gilgamesh would have an interesting design.

[@alexandremonnot7024]

Fight on the Big Bridge FFXVI would have been madness.

[@untitleddragon7322]

The boss is cool, but a possessed Ultima Joshua would have been a better secret boss. Like a new moveset. I think that would be cool. Ultima was trying to take over joshuas body when joshua sealed him away.

[@MarkATorres1989]

So that's the secret boss for the DLC. I was thinking it was either Gilgamesh or perhaps another crossover opponents like Garland or perhaps a hero from the previous games like Cloud or Squall. Something to make those S rank gains worth the effort and memorable.

[@Vanquish010]

Damn didn't know there was a secret fight that is epic

[@ProfessorHeavy1]

That final stagger was absolutely stunning. Love your gameplay.

[@khiemnguyencao4324]

thanks for the valliant effort, stylish action gamer.

[@xRoycex]

Hahaha RIGHT

[@senpafl4405]

Now if the Scoring system wouldn't suck so hard, I would be absolutely happy with the game

[@safijivvaboi5081]

Very true, so many waves where I felt like “I got an S rank” but then an A rank appears instead then I had to reset the entire run. Having to S rank all 20 waves to unlock this fight was way too tedious, there should have been some leeway at least.

[@radkesrealm]

@@safijivvaboi5081 so its not s rank each collectively? it has to be 20 in a row? that seems impossible.

[@safijivvaboi5081]

@@radkesrealm yeah, all 20 waves S rank back to back and if you mess up once you have to restart all the way at wave 1 again and retry. It’s possible but time consuming, especially when you mess up on like wave 16 or something and then have to go all the way back to the beginning to do it again.

[@radkesrealm]

@safijivvaboi5081 I beat it last night, but I got all c rank (and 1 b and 1 a). I only focused on beating it, though.

[@jqyhlmnp]

@@radkesrealm same. I used all the ultimates to cancel out any attacks. Megaflare and that slow time ring to dodge. Ice glide and fire teleport and that ring that lets you press square to auto play everything. Then I focused only on hp and ability power . I’m so bad at the game that’s my only option :P

[@nishuzumaki8559]

Question.. Why is there a different version of precision dodge and how do you activate your version in this video. I have been trying for a whil and my dodge only makes clive dodge to the left or right normally.

[@safijivvaboi5081]

The “berserker ring” makes it so your dodge becomes a slide and activates a mini limit break. In the main game it’s an accessory that you can get from spending that green currency I forgot the name of that you get from sidequests. And in the kairos gauntlet one of the boons you can buy is the “berserker ring” which will allow you to use it while in this gamemode.

[@darkpromeathean937]

Knowledge check 😅

[@nishuzumaki8559]

@@safijivvaboi5081 OMG i've beaten the entire game twice and nvr figured this out. Thank you so much for the info.

[@Astreon123]

Did you just not do any side content? This is on yourself​@@nishuzumaki8559

[@KingKabisi]

I think after beating kairos gate we should be able to do the circles individually, theyve already not given us a boss rush mode and seeing how things are going now. The pc release is the only hope of us getting new content

[@safijivvaboi5081]

Yeah, I would like to refight this guy again in case there’s some new moves he has which I didn’t get to see since I killed him too fast. But I do not want to go through the trouble of S ranking every single wave again just to fight him again.

[@sakuradestros]

wow! great job I thought it would be a few more days before we got to see this

[@Kale13000]

Been waiting for this to be uploaded since I'm too lazy to get S ranks lol

[@ryanderry8873]

Awesome job man!

[@DECAD00X]

The music score was anabsolutely fantastic.

[@justicealistair7774]

Still upset we didn’t get Shadow Clive’s move set. That Shifting Fira is so cool.

[@dinorex3464]

Considering every single boss fight of Kairos Gate is pretty much a semi-primed Dominant, I find it fitting that the Shadow is the final boss, thematically too. Clive defeats himself yet again to prove to Ultima that he is his own person. Only, getting to S rank EVERY SINGLE CIRCLE is a bit too much. Just make this the default final boss if you clear the gate in Final Fantasy mode.

[@xxivmel]

how do you activate the berserker ring perk? what type of boon are you upgrading?

[@safijivvaboi5081]

There’s a boon you can buy that is just called “berserker ring” that activates it. You don’t have to upgrade anything to get it.

[@QuetzalcoatlTK]

I enjoyed this boss originally so I don’t mind it as much. But the requirements to get to it are way too high and it’s really not worth the effort unless you just really want to do it.

[@safijivvaboi5081]

Agreed, the requirements should have been a bit easier or there should at least have been some type of reward.

[@sharkattack-uq7bi]

Had a very urgent question how do people do that very cinematic precision dodge where it goes slow motion did I miss something 😭

[@safijivvaboi5081]

The berserker ring accessory gives you this special precision dodge that activates mini limit break.

[@sharkattack-uq7bi]

@@safijivvaboi5081 omg thank you I been wondering this for so long😭

[@samuelcalderon5525]

If you lose to the fight, do you have to s rank Kairos Gate again to rechallenge? Or can you just challenge him again?

[@safijivvaboi5081]

I didn’t fail to this guy so I’m not sure but I assume that you would have to redo the entire kairos gate again and S rank all the waves once again just going off of the premise of the gamemode and how it always resets you back to wave 1 if any fails happen. Which would be very sad indeed, good thing is that when you get to this guy you have accumulated so many buffs from the previous 20 waves and so I think it’s very difficult to die to this guy unless you get hit by his big one shot kill hellfire or something.

[@samuelcalderon5525]

@@safijivvaboi5081 that's most unfortunate. I'd rather just have an elemental, buffless attempt at him whenever I want. Seems like a cool boss just hate that it's hidden behind a cruel gauntlet of challenges

[@Ghostylikes]

Can I ask what you're doing with the Shiva move by dodging into the boss?

[@safijivvaboi5081]

When you press shiva dodge twice you drop a ice shard that freezes enemies for about half a second. But that’s enough time to use rift slip which slows down time and then you can land free hits. If you perfect time a dodge with shiva then it freezes everything in an aoe for about 8-10 seconds.

[@darkpromeathean937]

Yo good stuff dude, I've platinumed DMC games, Ninja Gaiden. I've seen some fiendish stuff, but theres always someone better like you. I truly believe I dont understand the combo system enough to S rank every stage, however...I have completed kairos gate.

[@platterbuss2328]

Thanks for posting, im happy just watching it on youtube. Uf no amazing reward im just guno pass on it.

[@shinobialchemist]

Little disappointed we didn't get an Ifrit vs Shadow Ifrit rematch but what can you do?

[@hailmerry6827]

Amazing gameplay you are a joy to watch pretty good at the game

[@Lobomaru02]

What's that new sword and is it stronger than the Ultima Weapon?

[@vargr7180]

Yep and it's 750

[@safijivvaboi5081]

Yes it’s better than the ultima sword. 750 attack and stagger attack. You actually need ultima sword to even build this sword. You get the recipe to build this sword by completing the Kairos gauntlet once normally on final fantasy difficulty. It is worth noting that there is also the “tonberry knife+1” sword you can get from fighting the tonberry king boss in final fantasy difficulty and his sword has the most stagger attack in the game at 1000. Albeit, the raw attack is only like 500 or something I believe.

[@vargr7180]

@@safijivvaboi5081 exactly as you said

[@elijaharroyo4846]

@@safijivvaboi5081do you just have to beat all of the circles normally, or do you have to get all S on all 10 circles to get the recipes?

[@safijivvaboi5081]

@@elijaharroyo4846 you just have to beat it normally as long as it’s final fantasy difficulty. My first run of this was a slog and I got C ranks on almost every circle except like 2 of them where I got an A rank. The S ranks is only if you want to fight this secret boss. Also there isn’t 10 circles, there’s 20 circles.

[@igg7865]

why people even complaining about this, this is a secret fight to an extra piece of content that isn’t even the main focus of the dlc.

[@Lemfern]

mostly because there was announced a secret boss and they sold it as something special like "you wont know who he is"

[@safijivvaboi5081]

I think the boss is fine but the requirements you need to do to even unlock this fight is very difficult for what it is. You have to S rank all 20 stages of the kairos gate which is very tedious to do since you have to reset the entire run if you get just a single A rank on one of the waves. If it was a bit easier to unlock this fight I would not mind at all.

[@t.v.1201]

because it's extreamly tedious for not only 0 reward, but a also for a boss you already fought in the main story.

[@DarkRei7]

everyone expected Gilgamesh

[@G-Manfromhalflife]

Because you can't please ff fans

[@kratos97261]

Whats that sword?

[@Silverfang11]

danm so many comments and views nicely done

[@woodstock3009]

Sickkk!!! A master indeed. Ggwp

[@donovanbowman8157]

Wait there are no rewards for this fight.. like none? I like to 100% a game but no rewards is wild

[@shacharco8797]

is this fight just shadow clive from the base game but harder?

[@thegamewin100]

Yea kinda lame at least the music is good

[@JesseEVH]

Damn super unique build love it

[@katrinka745]

Qualcuno sa come sbloccare l'ultima spada del DLC. Perché mi manca un materiale ma non so dove trovarlo

[@user-gm4cn5eu8w]

This material can be obtained at the end of the Kairos Gate (not from the secret boss)

[@user-uk2cy6yj1k]

Wait i unlocked original sin weapon and this boss never appeared for me???

[@safijivvaboi5081]

This boss only appears when you S rank all 20 stages of kairos gate. You don’t need to get original sin.

[@xRoycex]

I loved this game idc what anyone says. I do wish that Clive lived in like a clear happy-ever-after type of foolishness because I was sad when Torgal howled at the end but other than that it's a 10/10 for me.

[@lankiestfella9797]

Is it true that you cant change accesories in kairos?

[@safijivvaboi5081]

You aren’t allowed to bring any accessories at all in the kairos gauntlet. You also can’t even bring in your own sword or armor.

[@anthonytan8751]

Nice sword! What sword is that?

[@safijivvaboi5081]

You get this sword by completing kairos gate once normally on final fantasy difficulty. You use the ultima sword and a few other materials to upgrade it into this sword which is the new best sword in the game with 750 attack and stagger attack.

[@24nero24]

Any new good/gamechanging gear in this dlc?

[@safijivvaboi5081]

The new leviathan and ultima eikons are extremely powerful and have a bunch of really powerful abilities. There’s also a new best sword in the game as well as new best armor.

[@oneofthekindscarf8612]

​@@safijivvaboi5081 Don't forget the new accessories that upgrade or change the eikonic abilities

[@thegamewin100]

The accessories from the first dlc are pretty busted too

[@Evanz111]

Amazing skills from you, but yeah a bit of a shame on the boss fight. I don’t think it’s lazy, but the cutscene dialogue preceding and following the fight definitely is.

[@jonh4872]

How did you get to use Original Sin in Kairos? I'm stuck using the default Invictus model

[@safijivvaboi5081]

It’s the appearance transform that you can do to weapons.

[@Hayashi-_-Game]

So... are we still having the same ending after all these hard work? 🤔

[@safijivvaboi5081]

Yes

[@Hayashi-_-Game]

@@safijivvaboi5081 damn it😂 thanks for telling me, so I don't have to try it myself. Nice work bro!

[@GeoAlex1]

Which dlc is better? I wanna play both, but Echoes of the fallen seems kinda meh

[@safijivvaboi5081]

Rising tide is much larger and better. It also has side quests alongside a main campaign and also gives you 2 new Eikons unlike echoes of the fallen.

[@thegamewin100]

@@safijivvaboi5081echos of the fallen has the best accessories though id get those asap

[@House_of_Green]

DMC wasn’t silly enough to lock things behind the scoring system. They should’ve just did ultimaniac kairo for this.

[@sodathejunker]

Honestly I’m just glad someone out there is capable of getting S Ranks in this mode. I’ve accepted it’s a pipe dream I’ll ever see one IRL.

[@sodathejunker]

That said, sick as this fight is I’m amazed that’s what they decided would be worth all that hard labor. I get not putting extreme dev time into something so difficult 0.0001% if the player base will ever see… but given this is the same team that devs an MMO and knows the insanity of FF players who will no-life content for the bragging rights, I’m just a teensy tiny bit underwhelmed.

[@gamingispleasure8436]

another boss when completing every stage on S? wtf I didnt knew that🤯🤯🤯

[@MrJIsBack]

I was planning on skipping the combat gameplay just to watch the cutscenes. But then I ended up staying because I love Find the flame. And then I was kinda mesmerized by how much ass you kick lol, wtf are those crazy combos?! At least now I'm sure I aint getting to that secret boss

[@optimaltt6070]

"HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON, OLD ME?" "I love embodying the weakness of the young people! :D"

[@Akamehameha]

with how Yoshida teased this I expected a crossover secret boss like FFXIV / Gilgamesh or even Diabolos cuz he wants it so bad in FF16, disappointed to see chrome pack inner Clive fight for secret boss, at least I won't bother with this now

[@abysspresence6820]

There is any reward?

[@bryanlangit4631]

nope just rhema

[@safijivvaboi5081]

Unfortunately, no. This fight is basically only for bragging rights I guess because you have to S rank all 20 waves of the kairos gauntlet to even unlock this fight. I do not think this fight was worth that grind, I think the fight is a fine boss but there should be a reward to compensate for having to S rank all the waves.

[@bryanlangit4631]

@@safijivvaboi5081 i thought the reward be like a powerful weapon or maybe we can change appearance as shadow clive lol

[@inzone88]

@@safijivvaboi5081 comletely agree. To not give a special reward, hell even a sword, is madness. And im not even gonna attempt to s rank it. Completing it on ff mode was all i wanted. Grats tho

[@OmarO_721]

They at least could have gave the Shadow Within a blue coloring

[@merouanebelaroussi9706]

Did it give a reward ?? Like a sword or something

[@safijivvaboi5081]

No sadly. You do get like a medal but it’s not an actual achievement so you don’t need to do this fight if you want to get all the trophies for this game. This fight is only done for bragging rights since you have to S rank all 20 waves of the kairos gauntlet to unlock it.

[@elisodrakulia]

Holly F*uck!!! That was amazing!!! Ahh i wish i was that skilled, i get all frantic and lose hahahahaha, waw that was great, congratz :)

[@Barnbootsnblossoms]

What’s the floating ball do?

[@safijivvaboi5081]

Prevents damage from being taken and does small amounts of damage to enemies near me. It’s useful so that you can basically do your combos without worry of being hit.

[@salmark9080]

Is mesmerize actually good ? Not effective for me

[@safijivvaboi5081]

It does good consistent stagger damage for how short it’s cooldown is and how much you can spam it but it’s best use is that it groups up enemies so you can easily do collateral abilities such as scarlet cyclone.. and when you are going for S ranks in these fights it is a MUST HAVE because its the most effective way to rack up score.

[@salmark9080]

@@safijivvaboi5081 ah that makes sense. Did you play around with dominion from ultima? Feels better but I’ll try it out

[@safijivvaboi5081]

@@salmark9080 I felt like dominion missed with the 2nd hit too much and it didn’t feel that strong for the cast time needed.

[@causalnutria7974]

Alguien la subio en español latino?

[@hailakmal4683]

How the hell are you getting an S in every single challenges?

[@safijivvaboi5081]

You have to do combos and there’s a combo scale based on color. White color doesn’t give much points, blue gives a small amount of points, cyan gives a decent amount of points, green gives a bunch of points, and rainbow gives the most points. Obviously you want to use abilities that give green or rainbow combo and the best abilities for that include thunderstorm, any collateral abilities such as scarlet cyclone or upheaval and ice age, and then abilities to group up enemies allows for those collateral abilities to do even more work. You also don’t wanna use abilities like windup because those just do a bunch of damage and kill your targets. You don’t want to instantly vaporize the enemies because the longer the enemy is alive, the more combos you can do on them and build up more points.. but at the same time you don’t want to do too little damage because you gotta complete every wave within a 3 or so minute timeframe to get the level 3 time boost for the extra points.

[@hailakmal4683]

@@safijivvaboi5081 oh i see thx for the info!

[@beatsbythestorm3428]

Okay- let’s all just be thankful that the platinum doesn’t require this. It’s cool… but damn is it a waste of time. It’s just so you can push the leaderboard a **little** farther. I had really hoped that it would have been a fight against Ramuh, but it definitely wasn’t... Glad I searched this, as of typing I just beat Kairos with a not-so-perfect, bottom scratching S. And I’ll gladly leave it at that. (At least for a long time.) (One of my top 3 games of all time btw, don’t get the wrong idea-)

[@egil9859]

Clive vs Clive AGAIN. How original

[@Mirage4492]

​@user-zs5oy2gt8g you're disappointed that a free and optional content Kairos Gate is not designed to your preference? Lmao

[@Mirage4492]

@user-zs5oy2gt8g wtf is shmuel? ur braindead

[@vilvethope]

Bummer

[@penutbuter2]

How are you level 80 I was only level 40 when I did this

[@safijivvaboi5081]

This is ng+

[@radinleytani4882]

I'm stupid I'm bought american version of dlc but I had wrong disk my money is gone 😢😢😢

[@G-Manfromhalflife]

I kinda wished to fight Knights of the round but I ain't complainin

[@PrimalDragon1740]

Or Ultima Weapon

[@shinrasenseishadow1575]

Dark Clive hum ? Would be way better to have gilgamesh instead. Even a near end journey gilgamesh to make him more serious/mature with all the previous main ff1/ff15 hero weapons. Or at least, to keep up with the teasing and fan service, some ff9 exclusive eikons like hades, ozma, or ARK would have been better

[@marcus22greene]

Clive is the best boy no, CLIVE IS THE MAN!!!

[@goldchampion200]

Instead of replying to people imma just leave this comment as a general statement. Anyone saying its the same fight again is certifiably high. Similar i'd give you but same is just plain ignorance.

[@bluesrock1986]

spoken like a true fanboy who would eat the shit right out of the devs asses

[@G-Manfromhalflife]

​@@bluesrock1986womp fucking womp

[@TranscientFelix]

Not worth the effort regardless

[@Crabo99]

The problem is that they teased this secret boss as something new. People expected a whole new fight. I was disappointed as well.

[@neobahumuth6]

tbf ppl mald over this but it's more or less what Bloody palace does so......eeeh? I don't get much of the complaints, it's definitively easier since you get buffs to use also. That said Bloody palace has the feature to allow you to test floors you've been in, which here is missing....would've been nice if that was possible.

[@G-Manfromhalflife]

Unlike the DMC fanbase, ff is impossible to please

[@Crabo99]

Because the director/producer hyped the secret boss before release

[@neobahumuth6]

@@Crabo99 blame yourself for believing PR talk they are always exaggerated. Like when SEGA said that infinite wealth or Gaiden were a good entry point for the Like a dragon franchise. My ass they are

[@Crabo99]

@@neobahumuth6 no I dont blame myself lol, I blame them for saying that. People are right to be disappointed. Whole DLC is peak but they shouldnt have said that shit

[@neobahumuth6]

@@Crabo99 They are trying to sell you something, they won't be honest 100%.

[@darkinfini]

well no reward at all :/

[@udayveersingh7495]

This game is so good!!! Anyone who doesn't agree is just stuck in the old ways.

[@PenguinsAreColdish]

cope

[@DekkarJr]

It's a great lol - im thjinking about doing a second New Game + on hard haha

[@shadownight9956]

And tge old ways were gold unlike the plastic shits we have in present

[@CloudStrife777FF]

Good, but that's all, the combat sadly gets old fast.

[@lllool8404]

FF7 Rebirth is superior in almost every aspect.

[@ARCEUS493ZELDA]

to think that gilgamesh has been in every main series FF title in some capacity only to see him not appear in FF16..................... rather disappointing ngl

[@andimari9194]

You know, ultima saying “are you not mythos?” Is actually super interesting. It’s as if at this moment he realizes Clive isn’t the one he’s looking for and is not a strong enough vessel. Sure he can hold all the eikons, but he’s not able to cast the spell that ultima needs. So basically ultima just gave a man all these powers to go and fight him, and whether he wins or loses, it will regardless lead to ultimas defeat

[@oberon_relic1161]

"Why will you not kneel?" His inability to control clive is what makes him question that

[@oberon_relic1161]

Clive literally has all the eikons power along with ultima's at the end of the game, he also does use the world changing spell just not how ultima wanted he instead used it to get rid of magic forever

[@andimari9194]

@@oberon_relic1161 but ain’t there a part at the end where Clive states something like “seems like ultima was wrong, this vessel isn’t strong enough”

[@oberon_relic1161]

@@andimari9194 he was meant to survive it but he still used the spell

[@andimari9194]

@@oberon_relic1161 ohhh okay yeah so ultima plan was to defeat Clive and use his vessel to cast the spell. Unbeknownst to ultima, he would have died casting the spell since the vessel wasn’t strong enough

[@reverselol6910]

I beat the floors on new game plus 3 ff mode and they didn’t wanna give me this fight? Ridiculous 😂 still a great game tho

[@pulsevzero]

Wow I thought you just had to have a S rank by the end of a run not for all the damn circles. Well there goes my interest in fighting this boss. The scoring is so terrible imo. I feel like I did very good throughout my run and I was barely getting a rank B. Why is it so hyper focused on stalling it out with abilities instead of you know, playing good and beating the waves fast? I get not wanting people to just spam ult abilities but no reward for beating waves fast and efficiently makes no sense to me.

[@safijivvaboi5081]

You get a time bonus multiplier of 1.5x for completing the waves fast and you also get extra enhancement currency. The easiest way to get score is to do long combos on enemies while also using abilities like scarlet cyclone for collateral perks. You also basically have to buy the score up boons to get the S rank consistently.

[@pulsevzero]

⁠@@safijivvaboi5081I guess I just have to get used to playing a super specific way. Regardless the requirements are so extreme for a boss that is seemingly a push over and the fact that you can’t freely replay it.. This game desperately needs a boss rush imo.

[@Asupernaruto1]

impossible

[@ultima_mello96]

How original lol

[@yousufl6624]

This is their secret boss? They can't be serious.

[@apocalypse9199]

ikr would have been better if it had unlocked some more of ifrits kit like hellfire or hammer and anvil. Such a missed opportunity, would have made sense.

[@mThund3R_]

​@@apocalypse9199 I think they didn't do that because it would be pretty dumb to spend money on something that cool and then lock it to like 99.5% of the playerbase. It would also probably make someone mad. But yeah, having those moves would be amazing.

[@G-Manfromhalflife]

Ff fans complaining as usual

[@yousufl6624]

@@G-Manfromhalflife Yes, complaining for a valid reason. This isn't a "secret" boss. I wouldn't have said anything at all if the developers didn't advertise it as something to be excited about.

[@TheFlipsideShow]

@@apocalypse9199hellfire and hammer and anvil are already apart of Clive’s moveset. They’re the lunge attach and his slam move when you are in limit break.

[@misscrimson3555]

Well that's a disappointing secret boss.

[@G-Manfromhalflife]

Ff fans complaining as usual

[@misscrimson3555]

@@G-Manfromhalflife Dude listen, I love this game despite all it's problems. But you can't deny that this secret boss is disappointing as fuck.

[@G-Manfromhalflife]

@@misscrimson3555 eh

[@misscrimson3555]

@@G-Manfromhalflife If you like the boss, that's perfectly fine, but you can't deny that this could have been way better or hype. Especially with conditions as hard to fulfill to unlock it.

[@shafeekabdool3466]

Its trash ​@@G-Manfromhalflife

[@drewpetterson]

I believe im the only weirdo who enjoys more FFXVI than FF7 in general (rebirth included). I’ve tried many times to force myself to keep playing FF7 but yet it’s all mini-games and anything else. I can’t say FF7 is not the masterpiece that’s considered but I really cant see the big deal about it tbh. In the other hand, FFXVI is really enjoyable for me. The fight is way less restrictive than FF7 (idk about rebirth yet) and the story is more interesting. Clive is way superior than Cloud and rest of the cast of FF16 is more interesting than the cast of FFVII too. Is the game a masterpiece? Could have been but it truly lacks a lot of stuff that’s necessary to become one but it’s really close to it. And stop asking for a turn base FF, it’s been years since the last once and they like it like that. I myself really enjoy turn based FF as 2 of my 3 fav FF are like that (FFVI and Tactics A2) but it’s not necessary anymore. Having an open world either. FFXVI is a game that focuses a lot more in the narrative than anything else and it does a great job doing it!

[@shafeekabdool3466]

Clive better than cloud? There's not a word that can describe how brain dead u must be to think that.

[@Astreon123]

Dude rebirths and remakes combat is shit

[@thegamewin100]

@@shafeekabdool3466cloud is seeing things bro is a crazy person 😂 and Clive is a whiny a baby both are kinda annoying tbh

[@BlueEye096]

Learning there is such an incredible boss fight locked behind such ridiculous conditions that probably not even 1% of the playerbase is ever gonna get to try is dumbfounding. I doubt even the majority of players who beat FF mode and get the Platinum are gonna be putting themselves through this, the Kairos gate is already difficulty enough and adding the ridiculous scoring system on top sucks ALL the fun out of this. I have to presume that while we're 100% not getting any more content for 16 that we get at least one or two more patches that aim to increase stability, FPS, fix any bugs and glitches which surely a bunch of new boss fights and two new Eikon power sets will have unleashed and while they're at it buff a few more abilities and remove this ridiculous condition, just clearing all 20 stages should be enough.

[@cdmanjak]

Very disappointing that its just a reused fight

[@cephasokoro9504]

It literally has a shit ton of new moves it's just a reused model and stage the fight itself is very different

[@thesergalladaf6902]

4:13 I don’t remember this attack.

[@scavanger4618]

@@thesergalladaf6902the attack was there in the first fight. It’s pretty much the same fight which is very disappointing

[@thesergalladaf6902]

@@scavanger4618 oh.

[@PenguinsAreColdish]

yoshi-apologists defending lazy reused content in the replies as usual

[@MotherCereza]

I love FF16 so much but Kairos Gate ain’t it. I was never a fan of the arcade ultamaniac point amassing builds that you were forced to use in order to get decent scores. Now we have this. I am super picky about collecting everything in this game but this Kairos Gate ain’t it. It’s exactly as this creator said, tedious. I love the idea of a dungeon that goes back to back to back fights (giving costlemark tower vibes in FF15 if you know you know) but the SCORING SYSTEM! Just let me play the builds I want to play. Not to mention this kinda defeats the purpose of this new build loadouts. I don’t know. Anyone agree? Or do I just give in to the point amassing nonsense.

[@safijivvaboi5081]

Yeah the new abilities aren’t that good if you want to get S ranks in these waves. Which is lame because the leviathan and ultima abilities actually look fun to use but if you want to effectively do S ranks you can’t really use them.

[@chianmengchua3103]

It's a valid complaint but at least they didn't lock any rewards behind the S rankings so I think it's a considerate game design in that sense. You still get to complete Kairos Gate the way you want and craft all the new stuff.

[@wilberivs19]

Game is too easy, it’s just flashy.

[@thegamewin100]

Yes try out the new dlc and tell me it’s easy lol I played on FF mode they made the enemies actually deal damage

[@dantegallardo1974]

It sucks that this fight is useless. Fighting our inner shadow seems like a perfect opertunity to unlock ifrit! And use him in combat! Like devil may cry 5 has sin devil trigger, we should unlock ifrit as a super move at least or something for this fight

[@JMagistics3]

I wanted to love this dlc, but it still seem like the same gameplay, perfect dodge/attack. And a reused boss cmon now 😢

[@G-Manfromhalflife]

Ff fans complaining as usual

[@SSlash]

Did you expect them to turn it into a different game just inside the dlc? Or change a shit ton in the final update? I don't know of many SINGLE PLAYER games that overhauled anything their combat, what did you actually expect tho like, element damage? Yeah it would be cool but half the time you don't know what everything is gonna be weak to, you'd be constantly changing stuff around and then just killing stuff EVEN quicker, at the end of the day tho what combat system like this doesn't boil down to "hurt them and don't get hurt back"??

[@JMagistics3]

@@SSlash i just wish they didn't make to perfect dodge so braindead to do, ruins any challenge for me, just don't see my moneys worth for this dlc is all

[@tehCostHD]

@@JMagistics3lmao what? What does that even mean? Have you beat the game on ultamaniac mode?

[@darrylpreston4974]

You failed! You were flawless until you got hit lol you fail me as gamer lol Joking

[@blushingralseiuwu2222]

No new ost? Booo

[@medigoomnis]

Oh how shocking, a lazy dark link bonus added to a bonus eikon that looks like the Skeksis from Dark Crystal. First we have Necron syndrome with Endwalker and now this, next summer vacation...what is yoshi p smoking these days?

[@SSlash]

I mean this isn't even the actual final boss of doing it normally so idk what that is but its prolly its own thing based off what they were saying before it came out

[@G-Manfromhalflife]

Womp womp

[@babyyyz7948]

Ure so trash can’t even parry in the game stop dodging bro and get good. Stop dodging and learn parry

[@safijivvaboi5081]

Where’s your all S rank kairos gate run? Just saying.. where’s YOUR parry only run if you are just so much more superior? I can parry and I just didn’t want to in this fight because I like to use Odin in my setup to do steel counter from the parries. But as you can see, I am not running Odin here. Either way, I’ll just play how I want to.

[@babyyyz7948]

@@safijivvaboi5081 yup and u play like a trash player bro git gud seriously

[@ultimatechaos]

The Secret Boss is really disappointing. There were far better ones in other FF games. Enemy recycling should be banned.

[@shadownight9956]

Decades of final fantasy and we have this piece of garbage thank you square enix

[@igg7865]

relax

[@shadownight9956]

@igg7865 you are a fool to cope with this amount of laziness

[@sadnessdiplomacy1985]

@@shadownight9956 it's fine ? I mean on the literal sense even the mode Kairos gate takes inspiration after doesnt have any new bosses

[@Harkins1721]

The laziness that's this one fight or the DLC? Because the DLC is good. An improved version of Shadow Clive is good for I can understand it being disappointing for this final fight.

[@DarkLordSauronrocks]

@shadownight9956 your a fool to not realize this is a masterpiece then stop attacking people that like this game

[@despretiondickek3465]

hmm pixelated, ffrk will have a lot job to do 😅

[@NIGHDI]

I wish they would give FF games the Tales of series treatment where you can fight characters from the last game as a secret Boss. Imagine a Noctis Super Boss fight in FF16

[@shdwboi07]

Now that would be dope, though I can already see the fanbase losing their shit if any protag is displayed beating another.

[@NIGHDI]

@@shdwboi07 We already got that in Dissidia, so i dont think it would be a Problem