The Shared Origins of the Rig Veda and Avesta: Indo-Aryan Migration & Vedic History

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@yudhistirs 2 ай бұрын

No, there is no such thing as Indo-Aryan, its a facade

@jagatsimulation 2 ай бұрын

Comedy is indo aryan is only north indians when south indians are more aryan than north. North Indian hindus lost their culture due to in vasions but south preserved it. Arya means noble person with good values . South Indians use ayya for elders, gurus, teachers and wife uses for husband. Ayya used as respectful term. There are many words came from Arya like ajja and periya. All of these words have same meanings.

@Samyakindialife 2 ай бұрын

So brahmins are fake is it, no more brahmins existing

@gouthambolt 4 күн бұрын

But it was the amount of archaeologist agreed with the Aryan invasion.

@maxavery5905 2 ай бұрын

very nice! one of my favorite historical topics! however, everytime i learn about this, i have more questions than answers. i believe that is the nature of this topic and that we will never know for sure what exactly happened. but anyway, i know that there is a great potential in this common history, which can bring indian and iranian people closer together. unfortunately, there are too many weirdos out there using this topic for their divisive contemporary political agendas. that being said, respect to you for your hard and consistent work. and congratulations to your first book. you are quite the hustler. stay strong! hopefully it will all pay off, friend.

@jagatsimulation 2 ай бұрын

@particularlyindian 2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! Really appreciate your support!

@saravanas9239 2 ай бұрын

I think you have summarized it correctly.. DNA study done by people from Indian archaeological team and international universities reveals that there was lack of presence of Iranian farmer and Steppe Europeans in Harappa which means that people in the Harappa were native India or Dravidian.. the very close match of the Harappa DNA is with tribals in south India. So Vedic must have come to India after 1900 BCE. Who brought it from where? which you have clearly summarized.. We really need to revisit our history based on evidences and DNA studies. Avesta and Vedas not just have few similarities. It has many such as Gods, holy plant soma, rituals and sacrifices, 4 holy books, 4 cast system, varnasrama, Horse, River, the way rituals are performed are almost similar..

@Manikandan_supernova 2 ай бұрын

@@saravanas9239 harappan has iranian farmer+AASI.

@rajendran30 2 ай бұрын

@@Manikandan_supernovathose iranian farmers preceeded the migrants from central Asia to Iran.

@Manikandan_supernova 2 ай бұрын

@@rajendran30 iranian farmer were Hunter and gathers of zargos mountain, its like 25kya-12kya there have been in zargos,iran. West they moved and develped admixer anatolian farmers, east they moved they formed indus farmers. Event approx 12.5kya

@cbadaik9498 2 ай бұрын

Majority of IVC dna was Iranian hunter gatherer (70-98%) with some South Asian hunter gatherer but South Indian Dravidian tribal have majority of dna is South Asian hunter gatherer (70-85%) with some Iranian hunter gatherer (15%). So Harrapan and Dravidian tribe are different, Harrapan had majority Iranian hunter dna but South Indian tribal have majority south Asian hunter gatherer dna.

@rajendran30 2 ай бұрын

@@Manikandan_supernova I don't deny that. I said their migration to IVC region from fertail crescent preceeded the central asian(aryan) pastoralists.

@mtarkes 2 ай бұрын

So, I may be related to Germanic people? Thats so amazing! I always found European culture so advanced and beautiful.

@nachiketavajasrava5 2 ай бұрын

What crap is this narrative??? We are Rigvedic Brahman, my father learnt them in ancient gurukula way using Shruti. He was key person in compiling Sanskrit dictionary in Deccan college Pune. Let’s be absolutely clear, Rigveda is compiled in banks of mightiest river Saraswati Sapta Sindhu. The Aryavarta boundaries were west of Saraswati to east of Kubha or kabul river. There is absolutely no mention of anything associated to land mountain weather climate geography animals beyond this boundaries. At some point the river Saraswati started drying, Mahabharata mentioned that and even said the migration of people from the banks of Saraswati to other places for survival. This is when old Avesta started developing into a separate branch. They too started calling their river Harhavati, ours as hafta Hindu. Both were similar until Zoroaster who’s fathers name both were Vedic Pourushaspa similar as our pravara or clan Yauvanashwa. Mahabharata did mention gifts being exchanged from Persians west of Kubha river be it blankets horses camels do lies jewellery. Only in the end they started dividing and marriage alliance stopped due to them deviating from Vedic beliefs. Now we know why, Zoroastrianism. Can we explain the start of Vasant rutu was marked by the sun entering PUNARVASU NAKSHATRA or twin star in Gemini constellation. Now it’s occurring 2.5 months later during rainy season. Back date it used to occur 6300 years ago. River Saraswati too completely dried 4100 years ago. However both Vedic Rishis and Persian rishis did setup village in Arkaim heartbof Siberia. The river 550 KM south east of Moscow is still called river moksha, Moscow is derived. The highest Russian peak is named after Narada now called Mt Narodnaya in Finland border. Lot to learn before we conclude. And not jump to conclusions based on western authors.

@pavansstatus2592 2 ай бұрын

Correct... And I always have questions about why these genetic studies go from western to eastern and not eastern to western... They migrated... Not colonized the Indian subcontinent... And We all know... Migrants either follow their own religion or they adapt the religion of their host... We are all aware of india's trade history and it's going back to IVC also... Even much before than many European civilizations came into existence... And a well developed culture got colonized by Barbarians 🙂... Wow what a theory 🙃

@log4john Ай бұрын

Speak based on the archeological and DNA evidence!! Religious texts cannot be used to draw conclusions!!

@pavansstatus2592 Ай бұрын

@@log4john the concept of religion itself is foreign to india, you can't describe to Vedas as religious texts, Don't compare vedas with Quran and Bible... Second thing, Archeological facts are a great source of information, but it should be enough developed to talk about these things, The Indian archeological department is not advanced, Indian text always proved themselves to give proper evidentiary and correct information, when it comes to dwarika, Ramsetu, Shrilanka, Ayodhya or any thing... You can't consider any other religion's text but you can't ignore Indian text... And they are not religious they are Indian historical texts...

@log4john Ай бұрын

@@pavansstatus2592These are diversion tactics! Whether you call it a religion or non-religion text doesn't matter. All I am saying is one cannot use this written text as sole evidence to draw conclusions!! Indian archeology is backward, I agree! But there is tremendous amount of archelogy and DNA evidence which has been collected in central Asia in so many other places which proves Indo Iranian migration from the steps into Iran and India!! On a lighter note, you are no different than my Christian relatives who believe whatever is written in Bible is absolute truth!!

@nachiketavajasrava5 Ай бұрын

Let’s agree that religion is not equal to DHARMA. Hinduism is more towards eternal being part of vast cosmic universe than god revealed something to someone and totally different thing to someone else. We try to be close to reality in sync with universe so eternal in our belief. Coming to DNA we are mainly part of R1A1 haplogroup with my li persistent. The common group across South Asia. All our texts refer to places animal weather location of constellation all within the boundaries of south Asia.

@dipakmandal2248 2 ай бұрын

What's about Saraswati river. How the hell someone mentioned a river in 1500 BCE which dried up completely in 1900 BCE .

@prathappoojari5415 2 ай бұрын

Is it 100% accurate data ??

@dipakmandal2248 2 ай бұрын

@@prathappoojari5415 Yup. And the major point is the location of Saraswati river matches with the description of Saraswati river in Rigveda .

@Manikandan_supernova 2 ай бұрын

Saraswati is Haraxvaiti river in afghan, vedas mentioned its as fast flowing mountain river. There is no mountain in indus valley civilization. S in vedic sanskrit pronounced as H in avesta.

@nikhilraghava 2 ай бұрын

@@Manikandan_supernova The Srimad Bhagavata Purana describes Sri Krishna crossing the Saraswati and then the Drishtavati river before reaching Indraprastha: “tato dṛṣadvatīṁ tīrtvā mukundo’tha sarasvatīm pañcālān atha matsyāṁś ca śakra-prastham athāgamat” (Srimad Bhagavatam 10.71.22). Many such references exist that place the Saraswati within India. In fact, old European maps from circa 1700 clearly show the Saraswati River, which was later relabeled as the Ghaggar-Hakra River in more recent maps. Therefore, to keep repeating the baseless claim that the Saraswati lies outside of India is nothing but hypocrisy.

@dipakmandal2248 2 ай бұрын

@@Manikandan_supernova is hexawati lies in between Indus and yamuna river???

@saurabhsurve9247 2 ай бұрын

Vedas origins are known .it is Bharat

@Bjorn_Algiz 2 ай бұрын

Interesting analysis! 🤔

@vespasian266 2 ай бұрын

I think the indo european language came into India via the expansion of the corded ware culture. which might suggest a proto rig veda or idea's in the early rig veda originating from the corded ware culture migrating across the Steppe and on into India. These people would of influenced the Persians just as much. its the Mongols before the mongols. Perhaps the reason both India and Persia have the same gods was because both came via the same rout. the expansion of the corded ware migrations.

@jagatsimulation 2 ай бұрын

@particularlyindian 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for your comment! Will definitely look into it!

@Cutestar6757 19 күн бұрын

When vedas mention specific rivers/forests of Indian origion where they mediated to hzt relevation.. Why are we moving to iran?

@viralvieralmehta8613 2 ай бұрын

First of all it not mythlogy for God's sake . Secondly Arya word originates in sanskrit langaunge which was invented in bharat thus Arya word itself originated in bharat and not some steps of persia , it's all nonsense . Arya means " a person with Nobel intentions " thus it can not be a tribe or gang of normads roaming the planet . As per one of the meaning of word hindu given in one of the " purana " is ... " one who has removed negativity from within is called hindva " so word hindu originates from this and being a hindu is not a relgion or way of life but " state of mind ". After becoming hindu one progression is to become an Arya which too is a" state of mind " and then when one executes such Nobel intentions through rightiouse karma one becomes dharmic ( which is to be in sync with laws of Cosmos) which is a " way of life " and spirituality starts after one becomes dharmic and is ready to consume spritual knowledge from within and outside . Word " dharam " as per rig veda means a " vessal " which holds the laws of Cosmos. As in multiverse idea accepted in vedic times , laws of Cosmos are infinite or santan thus santaj dharam ( hear mythological , santan was son of brahmah means knowledge of brahmann and he established this knowledge to humans thus it is called santan dharam ) Ved means knowledge and vedas since originated in bharat thus who ever consumed thus knowledge became an " Arya " or a person with Nobel intentions thus bharat was also known as " Arya vrat " means land of " Aryas" .

@jagatsimulation 2 ай бұрын

Vartha is tadbhava of bharatha. It means arya bharatha

@unifiedvision999 6 күн бұрын

It seems obvious that some sort of people, who could be called arians for various reasons, did invade India, but I would not say that they were superior, just that they were more violent or successful in their conquest, and so their culture won out. Similar to how english culture ended up winning out in the americas because of the violent conquest and subjugation of the native peoples, which definitely doesn't prove that the White culture was better tha the culture of the Native Americans. The people who were in northern india when the aryans came were probably more civilized than the conquerors, having descended from the Harrapan civilization.

@ashjani654 2 ай бұрын

Excellent. As Gujerati born in UK , I've been 'looking' since 70s.. I'm still looking at Vedic age times...

@vasanthchandrasekaran3218 2 ай бұрын

internet is full very amazon sources, check out better credible sources

@krishnamohan1065 2 ай бұрын

I would like to know how you would explain that

@LonestarKnight 19 күн бұрын

It could be that everyone migrated out from india to the rest of the world then some came back at a later date....🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔👍

@particularlyindian 12 күн бұрын

Anything is possible!

@SrikantaMahananda-gx4zr 2 ай бұрын

Hinduism = Buddhism + Z0r0astrianism. Sanskrit language = Prakrit language + Avestan language. Brahmins = Magi of persia (Z0r0astrianism priests). Rigved = zend Avesta. ARYAN = brahmins, kshatriya, vaishya, parsi.

@radhakrishnanpp1122 2 ай бұрын

we have only theories but not proofs

@sowmyaarun412 2 ай бұрын

No wonder no sponsor for you!! Rig veda originated from Avesta?? Really!!

@beijingbro2 2 ай бұрын

yeah,, I think she got that part backwards... let's give her a break though shall we?

@sowmyaarun412 2 ай бұрын

@@beijingbro2 sure! But think about this - with these incorrect videos so may ppl who don’t have enough facts will get influenced and undermine us. That’s what i hope doesn’t happen. Cheers!

@beijingbro2 2 ай бұрын

@@sowmyaarun412 who is "us"?

@turkkahvesi07 2 ай бұрын

Who were "Indos" that mingled with Aryans so that they created Indo-Aryans?

@priyamastibhati 2 ай бұрын

Indo aryans = Indians. No outside invaders except for reasonable immigration from the north and northwest.

@Manikandan_supernova 2 ай бұрын

@@turkkahvesi07 aryan who moved india wer became indo-aryan, aryan who turan wer iranian. Aryan wer called indo-iranian. Ancestral aryan wer called nordic-aryan. Who come from cordedware culture.

@particularlyindian 2 ай бұрын

Isn't it funny that it's a much less explored part of history and archeology! I mean, the "indians" who influenced this culture..

@gilbertgurney4898 2 ай бұрын

Indo has a different context it doesn't mean Indian. As in indo-European is not Indian European.

@priyamastibhati 2 ай бұрын

@@gilbertgurney4898 Indo = Indian. Indo Aryan means Indian or Indic.

@krishnamohan1065 2 ай бұрын

The great visvamitra and his sons. Are credited with composition of hymns near the ayodha region the se. Hymns can be tentative lyrics dated to 167o bce

@venkateshu8715 2 ай бұрын

It was for around 2000 years under oral

@blablablabla542 8 күн бұрын

In what language was it in oral? Was it Sanskrit? Or was it a Dravidian language? I'm guessing it was most likely a Dravidian language, which one exactly I'm not too sure.

@venkateshu8715 2 ай бұрын

Sarayu river is in Iran too. So was real Ayodhya in iran

@vasanthchandrasekaran3218 2 ай бұрын

@greaterbharat4175 2 ай бұрын

But Iran is not Iran 😂 , zoroastrianism scriptures mentioned Iran as central asia and western Indus ( from river daitya to hept hendu , darya to sapt Sindhu is most glorified land in Avesta which is actually Iran / Aryas land not today Iran ,today Iran is land of Achaemenid Empire ( elamite mixed Aryans, official language of achaemenid was also non indo Iranian language )

@akashsadhukhan2044 2 ай бұрын

Please talk something about the Medes and the Mitaani and the Hittites and there religion. Also about the Elamites.

@particularlyindian 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the suggestions! I will look into these! It's curious how all these cultures are so intertwined!

@akashsadhukhan2044 2 ай бұрын

@@particularlyindian Can you please make a video on if the medes and the Vedic Uttara madra people have any connection between them or not.?

@particularlyindian 2 ай бұрын

@@akashsadhukhan2044 Sure! I will work on it and come up with something 😊.. Thank you for the suggestion!

@tibupanda3648 2 ай бұрын

Seemingly , assimilation is far too complex to limit it to models of linear logic. What is fundamental is to acknowledge where we find ourselves in the present... embrace all that we are...and proclaim our space in the dynamism of an everchanging world. Jai Bharath.

@particularlyindian 2 ай бұрын

Really agree with that! Thank you so much for your support!

@tibupanda3648 2 ай бұрын

@@particularlyindian Supporting you is my Kshatriya responsibility. Jai Bharath.

@particularlyindian 2 ай бұрын

@@tibupanda3648 🙏🙏🙏 Vande Mataram 😊😊

@venkateshu8715 2 ай бұрын

Iran has Vedic Background

@shatzco 2 ай бұрын

Go to Iran then lol

@kumar3321 2 ай бұрын

If you are speaking the truth, can you reply as why the Veda still exist in India only and got extinct in the places you claimed to be their origin without leaving any trace. You can fool some people for some time but not all the people all times.😅

@particularlyindian 2 ай бұрын

@@kumar3321 It can be summed up in two words, Islamic invasion! And there are traces still existing

@kumar3321 2 ай бұрын

@@particularlyindian Not convincing as India too remained under Islamic rule for almost 800 hundred years, still Vedas surviving are widely under practice. But at places claimed to be the origin of Aryans and Vedas there exists no trace of Vedas. The truth is that Vedas were composed in India only and the much talked about Aryan Invasion theory is a total fraud created by Europeans otherwise why they were totally unaware about Vedas until 18th CE while Muslim scholars like Al Biruni and others after becoming in contact with India in 11th 12th Century wrote detailed commentaries on Vedas, Upanishadas, Darshanas and so on. Inspite of Europeans arriving India in 15th Century they never bothered to get familiar with the Indigenous cultures & religions except plundering the country’s resources.

@balajipol7668 2 ай бұрын

Nonsense, study properly before posting about vedas

@venkateshu8715 2 ай бұрын

Iran comes under MY AKAND BHARAT

@jagatsimulation 2 ай бұрын

North East part of Iran spoke avestan language which was same like indian languages

@venkateshu8715 2 ай бұрын

@@jagatsimulation yes sir

@particularlyindian 2 ай бұрын

Whoa! You do know it spans around 1000s of years! Though, what Islam has done to Iran is terrible!

@venkateshu8715 2 ай бұрын

@@particularlyindian ya ma'am

@venkateshu8715 2 ай бұрын

Actual Lanka was in central Asia or Syria.

@SwarajyaMawala 2 ай бұрын

Thumbnail is abusive 👎👎👎

@jagatsimulation 2 ай бұрын

These people are brown Britishers bro we can't do anything

@rayudurayudu9348 2 ай бұрын

People who read text books without doing proper rearches and proved theory trying to put their own creativity one should one such a group from desert where there is no possibility of agriculture wear skin of animals and eat only animal flesh can teach already existing civilization According to most of rearches by national and at international heritage sites proven tamil civilization is the foremost and aryan is a closest word ariyaan meaning innocent Tamil civilization already have some sections before aryans came to india via indus Parpanan- one who do accounts mathematics astrology weather predictions and documentation Velalan - agricultural harvest taming cattles Nesavalan - weaver of cotton cloths Achary - making ornaments swords iron and other metal equipments etc.. These were taught to Aryans by tamils and where in they went back to other land and own lands developed such civilization When tamils and aryan merges there came dravidian civilization and languages

@sajilakumari5859 2 ай бұрын

👍👍🙏

@Jagannath38103 2 ай бұрын

India ancient name was aryawart we Indian migration to west because of Saraswati river dry she give refrence to west authors books wtf😅😂

@Manikandan_supernova 2 ай бұрын

Airyanem Vaejah is 16 land of aryan Harakhvaiti(saraswati) is in afghan. Term aryavarta counter part in india, who mentioned mlecchas( meluhas-indus valley civilization) as there non-aryan enemies in india.

@Jagannath38103 2 ай бұрын

@@Manikandan_supernova 🤣👽 don't smoking low quality weed

@Manikandan_supernova 2 ай бұрын

@@Jagannath38103 its far better than drinking gomutra like you 🤣🤡

@Manikandan_supernova 2 ай бұрын

@@Jagannath38103 dont worry, i dont develop cognitive disorder like you.

@kamalachandran5385 2 ай бұрын

@@Jagannath38103bro has degree in whatsapp university 😂, dont dri^k too much gomutra .

@venkateshu8715 2 ай бұрын

Rig Veda is the ORIGINAL

@sachinpotdar7798 2 ай бұрын

Hindu's have history of crore of ansectors

@ANILKUMAR-tw5xe 2 ай бұрын

Same old nonsense

@rayudurayudu9348 2 ай бұрын

I think she is a muslim girl trying to praise muslim country also might be one of them caught is bangalore disguised themselves as sharma

@jagatsimulation 2 ай бұрын

There are many bangladeshis living in banglore. Only allah knows how much of them are living here. Thanks to our laws and security, anybody can have indian citizenship and adhar card. Voter id

@ruthnaswamy4741 2 ай бұрын

Maybe an alien from outer space, some intelligent life exists with them

@shatzco 2 ай бұрын

No a single archeology is mentioned, her sources is the books? That way I will have to believe moses was real since the Bible mentioned it?

@particularlyindian 2 ай бұрын

Since this is about the history of literary works, books or the written word is the greatest sources! I have done many more videos on the archeological evidence, which are compiled in this playlist, please do check it out if you want! kzbin.info/aero/PLTU3V1_dX9PY4oE_BdEarE9gs2pEOydJR

@shatzco 2 ай бұрын

@@particularlyindian book are a great source for history? Which books? A religious book? And in which century those books are written and by whom? You didn't mention it in your video. The problem in our country is that people don't focus on archeology but just books which don't hold a candle to scrutiny and criticism.

@particularlyindian 2 ай бұрын

@@shatzco Avesta and Rig Veda being books, knowing about them will only come from books. Unless of course we find a copy of either of these texts in one of these places proving the hypothesis, which we haven't. And possibly wouldn't also, because Rig Veda was in an oral form for centuries.. Now, I have explored other archeological evidence as well, in separate videos. So do check them out if you want the other evidence. Thank you for the comment! 😊

@shatzco 2 ай бұрын

@@particularlyindian what's oldest text of rig ved and avesta? And who wrote it? And in which century was it written and in which script was it written in?