A few people have raised a good point about the eyes on the teddy pillow actually being folded up, not "trimmed" as I'd put it. Looking at it again I think they're right. At the same time it doesn't necessarily debunk the comparison with the elevator dial eyes. Note that the fold is still at the convenient angle to match the dials (there aren't two folds from diff directions or a fold only from the top downward or from one side). And when you put that in context with all the other significant props in the same set like the goofy figure and Wendy dressed in exactly the same colour combo plus the view of the bathroom shower curtain with rubber ducky sneakily peaking out, the chances of the pillow elevator eye comparison being deliberate remain a strong possibility. Thanks to those who gave that observation though. In addition, triggered Batman and LOTR fans ... I offer no apologies! Hahaha Want more content folks ... follow these links. Check out the current discounts on my offline vids and articles www.collativelearning.com/ Join my Film, Game & Media analysis page on Facebook facebook.com/groups/4637000646361309 ... as well as following the Collative Learning FB page facebook.com/RobAgerpublic Get a copy of my video game To The Death store.steampowered.com/app/2758570/To_The_Death/ ... and follow the game on the Ager Games KZbin channel www.youtube.com/@robagergames ... and at the To The Death FB page facebook.com/profile.php?id=61555615927786 Follow me on Twitter / X twitter.com/RobAger Signing up as a monthly supporter on Patreon gets you arround 12 hrs more content www.patreon.com/RobAger PLEASE ALSO POST YOUR RESPONSES TO THE VIDEO CONTENT ABOVE SEPARATELTY FROM THIS PINNED COMMENT, THANKS.
@stevenlesperance4457 жыл бұрын
Collative Learning thanks for the reply to my comments! As we know, nothing can be entirely ruled out when it comes to Kubrick. That's what makes all his work endlessly intriguing. What's your opinion regarding my opinion about the bear references having a role in symbolizing the predatory nature of the Overlook and the Torrence family dynamic. Outside of the sexual abuse angle, which may be there, I've made some other observations. Bears are notorious for killing and CONSUMING their own young. It is especially prevalent among males but females will also at times commit cannibalism of their own young. That may help in part to explain the often discussed final scene of the close up photo of Jack. It appears to me that the wall containing the photos is located in the center of the hotel. Somewhat like the hotel's belly. There's a lot more that hints at this idea but I've rambled on long enough. Thanks again. Love your work Oliver!
@patrichausammann6 жыл бұрын
Oh I see some sharpseers here. 🤓👍
@ContraMundumPress6 жыл бұрын
The giant gleaming knife Wendy carries (and which jerkily wobbles in her hand like an excited penis) could also be a rather prominent phallic symbol, and one which quite plainly signifies the violence of sexual assault, not to speak of the numerous candles on all the chandeliers in the room where Jack writes, as does the giant phallic-like motif on the Indian tapestry (to the right when Danny enters), a veritable plethora of firm, erect white cocks, all of which sharply stand out in the wide shot as Danny walks into the room.
@niallkennedy236 жыл бұрын
Rob, is there a jumper jump between the apollo 11 jumper and the mickey mouse jumper in the scene your talking about around the 10 minute mark in this video? dig your videos they're amazing.
@niallkennedy236 жыл бұрын
forget that i hadn't watched the video till the end!
@GordonStainforth2 жыл бұрын
One comment is wrong here: Stanley did not want any music during the Jack/Danny bedroom scene. The use of the Bartok here was in fact my idea, and as music editor I laid it as 'an optional extra'. Fortunately, when Stanley saw it in the dubbing theatre, he liked it, and kept it.
@cfelton20512 жыл бұрын
Nice choice, Gordon. In fact, awesome job on the entire score. :)
@KoH47112 жыл бұрын
WOW why is this comment not higher rated? If your account is real, then your comment is pretty cool to come across. Thank you for posting AND for your work on the movie!
@TreenusNeenus2 жыл бұрын
@@KoH4711 Its simple. This isn't the real Gordon Stainforth lol.
@TreenusNeenus2 жыл бұрын
@Life is Pain 4 comments is interacting often?
@CuteFluff82 жыл бұрын
Lie lie lie if you want using a name that is not yours. If you he than write a book or do a interview about your work. I want to believe it but so many people lie lie lie.
@microwavedchocolate12484 жыл бұрын
Someone told me the shining was a bad movie. I.....corrected them
@bullionsean4564 жыл бұрын
Did you give them a good talking to? Or, perhaps a bit more???
@EphemeralProductions4 жыл бұрын
Lmao! Love what you did there. :)
@adrianpaul19854 жыл бұрын
personally i don't like it it's more comedic to me than scary
@windwalker76634 жыл бұрын
@@adrianpaul1985 its a bit dated as it was made almost 40 years ago
@Urmom-dm2kf4 жыл бұрын
Windwalker76 it is but I feel as though if it was remade then it would not be near as good. Especially because they would most likely not have Jack Nicholson’s acting because he is much older.
@grod1360 Жыл бұрын
I think that kids acting is highly underrated for a 6 yr old. He had no clue about the movie and still gave a convincing performance.
@LeahIsHereNow Жыл бұрын
So much better than haley, Joel Osment in the sixth sense, even though he gets a ton of recognition for it, I thought the whole thing was completely forced and unnatural. Like he was trying to act like an adult, but he couldn’t really pull it off so it was just awkward. This is a tour de force of a performance by a child.
@glamdolly3011 ай бұрын
Agreed, Danny Lloyd's performance (then aged just 6 - 7 years), is superb. He was totally authentic, natural and believable in the leading role, and contributed immeasurably to the 1980 movie's success and longevity. In stark contrast, the experienced child actor Courtland Mead who played Danny in the 1997 TV mini series 'The Shining' was - like the rest of that Stephen King production - lousy!
@Unicornsandufos9 ай бұрын
I've always wondered how many takes did Danny have to do? I swear that scene wear he looks so terrified and yells I was 6 years old watching that. That primal mortal scream of Danny's scared the crap out of me.
@sexobscura7 ай бұрын
I thought it was even worse than Tommy Wiseau's in that joke of a movie 'The Room'
@RideAcrossTheRiver6 ай бұрын
@@Unicornsandufos Kubrick would have made it a game for Danny Lloyd to make scary faces. Then he dubbed in a scream during post-production.
@gogetavsvegito Жыл бұрын
This video made me realize what if the bear scene symbolized Wendy walking in and actually witnessing the abuse herself. Shes so in denial so afraid that she cant even SEE her son and husband so her mind sees the bear and the man....
@dathorndike4908 Жыл бұрын
That makes so much sense.
@owie4070 Жыл бұрын
Just to be clear, do you think she caught him right in that moment when she was running around with the knife? If so, why would Jack choose that moment to abuse Danny? And with the door open at that.
@gogetavsvegito Жыл бұрын
@@owie4070 No not at that exact moment. That moment when Jack has gone crazy and his personality has been revealed its like all the demons and ghosts of their relationship has also manifested into something in the house. Jacks guilt is seen when he kisses the ugly lady. So i figured this weird scene is almost like a ptsd episode where in the past this is what happened but shes in denial that her mind cant comprehend it being her husband and son. Psychologically the brain tries to forget and replaces memories when theyre unpleasant. thats kind of what im getting at u know?
@matesarkadi2792 Жыл бұрын
It's so weird that despite all the horror and psychic terror going on in this movie, the costumed bear scene is what creeps my out the most. If you want to induce fear, you don't need blood: just bring out the most ancient fear in us, like some monster crawling out right before our eyes. I'm sure japanese horror makers also know this...also the camera movement.
@cirizalid10 ай бұрын
Doğru. O ayı oğlu yataktaki adam da kocası. Ne kadar dehşet verici bir sahne.
@benjamingoodman4245 жыл бұрын
The bear freaks me out more than anything I don't know why
@bloody_pleb58005 жыл бұрын
Agreed its something about the compilation of how big it is, the way it looks at the camera and the eyes
@bigrobtheactor5 жыл бұрын
It's terrifying. I agree. Also not sure why. Pure evil?
@somegirl96735 жыл бұрын
It’s scary because it came out of nowhere and hadn’t been mentioned after that. I had that same feeling about the bathroom scene for same reasons.
@SandyCheeks635645 жыл бұрын
Maybe all these small details he talks about register subconsciously. That's part of the magic of a real artist like Kubrick
@jx38215 жыл бұрын
I know what you mean. I read the book and it is a dog costume there but yeah it was only described in one little paragraph but it sent chills down my spine and I remember it more clearly than the action going on or even the end. I knew it was gonna be terrifying in the film and I was not disappointed
@brandttroup29496 жыл бұрын
It is interesting that Wendy does not experience any visions or supernatural activity from the hotel until this scene.
@Blizzard7575756 жыл бұрын
She's got her head buried in the sand... she's blind until she's forced to wake up.
@icecheat085 жыл бұрын
Pedro Hernandez yeah, it is on netflix indeed
@barbcobbett72065 жыл бұрын
She doesnt see it cause she doesnt have the 'shining' Danny gets it from his father! But did this guy read the book everything was explained n it's not all about sex and sexual abuse!?!?
@earlpipe97135 жыл бұрын
He points out in the video that Kubrick only used the book and it's story as a general framework and jumping off point. King himself has complained over the years about how much was changed in the transition from novel to film, even going so far as to make a TV miniseries at one point in time that was more faithful to his book, though not nearly as good as Kubrick's movie
@barbcobbett72065 жыл бұрын
@@earlpipe9713 I agree with everything you said, I've read the book many many times and seen both movie/mini series as well plus I've seen so many interviews with him and that's exactly what he says! He hated that version but I've read not too long ago he has said he can now appreciate it for what it is! But my comment was about it not being about sex n abuse all through it, I personally think if a person were to have read the book they would prob not think it's about sex n abuse cause the book explains everything much better!
@briancline73494 жыл бұрын
I always assumed that scene was just there to shock and weird out the audience (and Wendy), like the hotel ghosts were showing their true bizarre colors and grotesque things that had happened there.
@EphemeralProductions4 жыл бұрын
That is partly the case. LOL Read the entire book (if you haven't already) to find out all the backstory behind this scene.
@SuV333584 жыл бұрын
Brian:. I agree with you.
@WhtnyRs4 жыл бұрын
I agree. THIS theory was interesting but a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge reach in my honest opinion.
@gabeitch91424 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Kubrick did change a lot from the book, but I think he just left a little Easter egg in there for the people who read the book. And for the people that didn’t it’s just creepy, and that works because it is a HORROR movie. I don’t agree with this video
@kiracarver9884 жыл бұрын
@veronica carlson if you can read a phone screen you might be able to read a book if you just get it in a larger font. And, if not, you can always Google your question instead of asking someone to give you a synopsis for an entire novel in a KZbin comments section haha. If you dont wanna do any of that, maybe just say you dont feel like reading the book and want the plot spoon-fed to you instead lol. Bear in mind the tone in my head as I'm writing this isn't meant to be insulting, I'm just teasing you
@johnmckay19612 жыл бұрын
It just struck me that the Overlook Hotel is symbolic in itself, especially if this theory is true. Any house where domestic abuse is going on could feel like the Overlook Hotel to the victims, it could just be a normal house in a normal street, but to the victims it could feel like they really are in an isolated mansion in the middle of nowhere, unable to hide or escape, with nobody coming to help.
@spaceengineer14522 жыл бұрын
Sex abuse is often 'overlooked'.
@katrinarobin4034 Жыл бұрын
At 9.13 in this video we see a pic of the hotel on the wall. So as Wendy climbs the stairs ( a Freudian etc symbol of enlightenment / realisation), she literally passes it with the knife in her hand- I think we are meant to read this as the truth dawning on her. Which is not to say I dispute the Wendy Theory- I think all the characters are battling their own demons internally as well as externally and between each other.
@theverminator4219 Жыл бұрын
@@spaceengineer1452 ba dum tss
@nocte.animam Жыл бұрын
Also a haunted house literally
@nocte.animam Жыл бұрын
@@spaceengineer1452 All types of abuse can be overlooked, but same. It must've been intentional on Stephen's part to name the hotel like that.
@ohyeayea685 жыл бұрын
I always did find that scene with Danny on Jack's lap extremely creepy. It's even more so now.
@PetePuebla5 жыл бұрын
Do you have a son? Never had your son sit on your lap?
@lunarose6985 жыл бұрын
@@PetePuebla I think he means of how it's done. You can tell that Jack's starting to go mad during this scene.
@PetePuebla5 жыл бұрын
@@lunarose698 yeah I understand that but this video is about Jack being a sexual abuser. He says that it's even more creepy now that Danny sits on his lap.
@BornNoU5 жыл бұрын
Pete Puebla he said it’s even more creepy now that the idea of jack as a sexual abuser was presented by this video
@PetePuebla5 жыл бұрын
@@BornNoU CutiePie said that it was because he thinks that Jack is beginning to go mad. I'm trying to tell him that this video is about Jack being a sexual abuser.
@c.25384 жыл бұрын
11:21 this is my favorite moment in the whole movie. He literally spent the last 20 minutes talking to an imaginary bartender and still his first words to Wendy are “... Are you out of your fucking mind?” 😂 His face too
@RardTangler3 жыл бұрын
You’d be surprised. The Wendy theory is pretty sound imo.
@GreenLlamaCK3 жыл бұрын
@@RardTangler I can't unsee the Wendy Theory since watching it. This makes the entire movie make so much sense.
@fearless67343 жыл бұрын
@@RardTangler please what’s the wendy theory?
@ExpensiveBruh3 жыл бұрын
@@fearless6734 do you want the link or explanation?
@vishalchidambaram10643 жыл бұрын
@@ExpensiveBruh explanation please
@thunderbolt21454 жыл бұрын
I never noticed Jack was reading a Playgirl. What the hell is that doing in a resort hotel lobby anyway? That was creepy.
@shawn5764 жыл бұрын
@Von_Nightmare_ Luciferian Assuming the abuse angle is completely correct, it could be tossed aside so film execs wouldn't notice it. Imagine you put millions into some film, and the guy making it is going for some weird sexual abuse angle. You would demand that shit be removed from the film. Kubrick's film Lolita had lots of stuff removed, and Kubrick apparently said he wouldn't have done the film if he knew how badly they were going to fuck with it. The way Kubrick did this was fascinating. Maybe 5 or 10 years after the film has already been released, someone notices weird things like a playgirl magazine in a hotel lobby. Maybe it means nothing at all, but it generates interest in the film long after initial release.
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr28234 жыл бұрын
@Von_Nightmare_ Luciferian But.. he buries it FACE UP. Wouldn't you at least flip it over? Nobody would notice it at the time, with the action being the conversation. And VHS was hardly the greatest medium to even SEE what magazine it was. I don't think you could have seen it on a Betamax which was 10x better quality. And the then-stunning laserdisc might not have shown it, either. I liked laserdisc for the flawless pause function, myself. Very expensive, tho. One disc was more than two full tanks of gas. Like 50 bucks. Those Hollywood people are a bunch of hypocrites, ain't they?
@vapourtrail71944 жыл бұрын
No ...whats kinda creepy is seeing an old east indian man looking through a copy of "Hustler" on the Public Transit...turban an all... Must have been a great article.
@JamesLM20064 жыл бұрын
@Von_Nightmare_ Luciferian Jack isn't gay, if that's what you're implying. He was interested in the incest article.
@MichaelTurner8564 жыл бұрын
This isn't any ordinary hotel sir
@deedeetee172 жыл бұрын
Also why was Summer of 42, a movie about a youth who has a sexual affair with an adult, playing on the TV so prominently right before the cringy scene with Jack and Danny? And Jack becomes the abused youth when the young lady becomes an old decaying woman in the bathroom embracing him. Like cycles of abuse
@dathorndike4908 Жыл бұрын
That's a good pick up. Never noticed that- Easter Egg!
@RideAcrossTheRiver6 ай бұрын
I don't know if the film is "about a youth who has a sexual affair with an adult," but that one scene is about black coffee and marvelous doughnuts.
@mexman0006 ай бұрын
summer of '42 was this young guy that liked the married woman, but her husband was away at war during WW2. They ended up making love, and her husband died in battle.
@deedeetee176 ай бұрын
@@mexman000yeah that’s called a adult having a sexual affair with a youth. A person not of legal age thus making it a child abuse theme
@mexman0006 ай бұрын
@@deedeetee17 i don't recall the age of the kid in "summer of '42". that was a fast response for a year old comment you left.
@reidsjaaheim82374 жыл бұрын
The bear scene freaked me out as a kid, and I can still feel it. I think it was the sexual deviation being so goddamn out of place. She was in fear for her life. And that gets flashed at you? And it's so short. By the time you realize what the fuck you saw, it's gone. That moment has stuck with me more than any other scene in any horror movie.
@adamgordon31634 жыл бұрын
I think it's in her crazed state if mind she picks up on the true energies of the hotel. That there must exist some sort of sexual deviancy amongst the staff or previous occupants. Like taking pyscadelic drugs or being next level paranoid, something you wouldn't usually see in normal state.
@budmb23 жыл бұрын
Bro you watched this when you were a kid?!?
@reidsjaaheim82373 жыл бұрын
@Blueberry they didn't let me. I was 11 spending a night with my friends.
@amberkelly31873 жыл бұрын
It freaked me out as a kid even though I didn’t understand why. The idea of homosexuality never bothered me so still not sure why. In Halloween I always found the scariest moment of the movie to be when Loomis arrives at the hospital and all the patients are loose in the grounds. I didn’t know why that was frightening at the time but obviously insane people wandering unchecked still is scary.
@totalimmortal883 жыл бұрын
@@adamgordon3163 you are correct. The party was described in the prequel chapters "Before the Play" and in the book. The party that never ended, absorbing people who had died there in violent ways.
@CZsWorld7 жыл бұрын
Makes the film even more terrifying.
@whitejayz46557 жыл бұрын
Aw shit dude it's you, love your videos
@bombtwenty38677 жыл бұрын
God it's a load of old shit. I mean this suggests Kubrick told Jack, "look I want you to spit because it is going to in someway symbolize you molesting your son". Really??
@niamhgunn10857 жыл бұрын
how scary is this fim?
@sean_shimmer6 жыл бұрын
kubrick would tell him to spit, probably for dramatization if not wanting to expose the meaning
@sean_shimmer6 жыл бұрын
and there is a part danny 'drools' too, i believe when jack is in 237 facing what he has done, as well as the already mentioned toothpaste
@Goldenretriever-k8m6 жыл бұрын
When praising Stanley Kubrick don't forget that he was horribly abusive to Shelley Duvall and she never got any credit for her amazing performance.
@joshuaquinn19866 жыл бұрын
Panda Power that's true but she is ugly af
@Goldenretriever-k8m6 жыл бұрын
@@joshuaquinn1986 she's also a really creative songwriter
@joshuaquinn19866 жыл бұрын
Swanky Butters jack Nicholason is cute her fuking teeth freaked me out
@veilofreality5 жыл бұрын
Oh, come on...cry us a river...he was creating one of the greatest masterpieces in film history! and he's alleged "abuse" , is what actually go that amazing performance out of Duvall. "The Shining" will always be the highlight of her career and long after she will be gone, she will still be remembered for it.
@joshuaquinn19865 жыл бұрын
veilofreality if you see behind the scenes he did treat her like shit no offense but the scene where she hits him with the bat did over 300 takes just because and she got sick from the weather and toke over 6 years to edit never went into detail on his work or why or how i fuking lov this movie but not explaining himself defeats the purpose of our thoughts
@mikewelborn6362 жыл бұрын
How Wendy is so repulsed by jacks action that she’s frantically looking for any other explanation to justify Danny’s injury and jumps on the crazy woman story for her own sanity sake is crazy to me
@marmiteflavoredcrocs4448 Жыл бұрын
It happens irl all the time
@paveantelic7876 Жыл бұрын
i mean jack states that she's into ghost stories
@thatlemonadeguy6742 Жыл бұрын
@@paveantelic7876That's clearly a lie made up by Jack just so he could get the job. Wendy is disturbed by the mere mention of cannibalism and is never seen enjoying anything horror related in the movie.
@chyeahfurries Жыл бұрын
@@marmiteflavoredcrocs4448unfortunately you are correct
@Overlorddz Жыл бұрын
that's actually the most common thing in abuse, cheating, addiction and many other emotionally damaging things among loved ones
@grumpyyyyy4 жыл бұрын
What fascinates me about The Shining, is the way it captures how frightening adults can be as seen through the eyes of a child. When you first see your parents fight, when they smack you, or you see them drunk, they become different people to you, and that's truly terrifying. You can't contextualise that as a child, and they seem monstrous. The idea of the people you love turning against you, or trying to harm you, is nightmarish and I believe The Shining captures that so well. I'm with Kubrick all the way on this one, making Jack a nice guy turned bad would have lost a good deal of why the film is so effective.
@Melaramaa3 жыл бұрын
I really love your takeaway from the movie
@buzinaocara3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I don't think this was "the point" of the movie, but it definitely was one of the ideas driving its making. Among other topics, that was one that informed the film in how it was made. And as every good horror film, it touches on universally relatable human feelings and fears. Like, I had both parents be extremely good parents and non-abusive at all, yet even then, I've seem them get mad-angry enough times to perfectly be able to relate to Danny's predicament, despite his situation being a very extreme one. Hell, I would bet that even kids with god-like perfect emotional control parents have some instinctive consideration of "what if" the adults they are supposed to trust go hay-wire. The film touches on some deep, almost instinctive, parts of most people's psyche and behavior. Not a surprise its a classic. Wells done indeed.
@TMIATC2 жыл бұрын
As someone who grew up with alcoholic parents, I can confirm I did feel that way as a child. I could tell something was off but I knew I did NOT like it, whatever it was. I didn't really realize until I got into middle school what was going on.
@brendancronin37962 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's an interesting insight ...my father was a drinker and at times he seemed monstrous tho I loved him dearly
@phamawa2 жыл бұрын
Damn, I feel this. Actually got triggered last night as Jack changes throughout, because of having had that experience of seeing a parent drunk out of their mind as a child.
@psychinteresting7274 жыл бұрын
Also I just remembered that young children with a history of repeated sexual/physical abuse are the most likely to have Dissociative Identity Disorder, which causes multiple personalities. Danny talks to “Tony” quite a lot, maybe to deal with his abuse (Tony acts as his protector just like in DID, a personality can act as a protector to cope). This is probably a stretch because of how old the movie is. But hey I thought it was cool
@TT-wx4tg4 жыл бұрын
You're right
@AmandaHugandKiss4114 жыл бұрын
Tony is Danny's ultimate protector. Read my other comment about that I believe there is even more to Danny being molested, the last part of the movie is how Danny plans, baites (after being molested, not by allowing himself to be molested) his father to finally kill his father. But you have to tead my comment on the main comment page. I am not retyping it.
@saarebas.4 жыл бұрын
Tony is part of Danny's Shine, and is in the books revealed to be Danny from the future, using the Shine to help young Danny and his mother survive the events at the Overlook Hotel. Before I finished the book I agreed with your theory on Danny having some form of disassociative trauma though.
@jackstheatremash22463 жыл бұрын
Film theory did a vid on how kids who can shine were all abused
@Mercuriusfm3 жыл бұрын
@@saarebas. the movie and book have different details. So I think it’s best to consider them separately
@ericofamerica21233 жыл бұрын
That makes sence! The name of the hotel is the overlook. The mom overlooked all the signs of his abuse. When the psychologist was talking to Danny the mom interrupted and made excuses for his imaginary friend. She overlooked hotel being an indian burial, people being killed there, them being isolated for months and she overlooked dannys abuse believing it was the woman in the tub who choked her son instead of her husband. The mirrors symbolize having to look at yourself and deal with your eternal demons.
@martinaxe6390 Жыл бұрын
In support of this, Jack is outwardly friendly to strangers, but cold and distant to his own wife ( I recognize this abusive behavior trait from my own father). When Wendy and Danny are present together in his company, he's cold to both of them. During the tour, Jack would hardly respond to anything Wendy said. But when Danny is alone with Jack, there's a completely different demeanor from Jack towards Danny. Wendy subtly knows this abuse is happening, but can't confront it. Her talk with the child psychiatrist is full of denial; to the point the psychiatrist has a "WTF?!" look the whole time. The tour scenes are full of subtle physical indicators. When the hotel staff brings in Danny who got lost outside during the tour, Jack is the first to warmly greet Danny, but doesn't change his stance (trying to not be obvious of too much affection), Wendy quickly asks Danny to join her and wraps her arms around him, putting distance between father and son while Jack stares at Danny. Jack's eyes often linger on Danny in scenes. Wendy's character is full of submissive and survival behavior. She regularly keeps side eyes on people, her conversations with strangers are self-deprecating (she says she'll get lost in the hotel, she doesn't know how to use the kitchen), and her spoken voice is softer than other character's while her talking points are easy and inoffensive responses. The only time she's assertive, is when Hallorann calls Danny, "Doc", which she immediately identifies as a red flag of being too familiar.
@kerstin874410 ай бұрын
Very insightful! Kubrick wanted her to be authentic in her acting so he abused and demeaned her during the filming
@TheTriplelman2 ай бұрын
"No. Nothing serious. Just a little problem with the ol' sperm bank upstairs. Nothing I can't handle, though, Lloyd. Thanks."
@TT-wx4tg3 жыл бұрын
Wendy's terror in this scene ( I'm sure Kubrick did not divulge to Duvall) is subconsciously she knew the abuse was going on all along and the hotel is showing her what she already knew deep down.
@DIVISIONINCISION3 жыл бұрын
I always thought that the scene was simply a metaphor for the incest. It was basically a mirror in to her own mind that she had tried to ignore but was suddenly thrust in her face, to her horror.
@TT-wx4tg3 жыл бұрын
@@DIVISIONINCISION Yes, very well said
@leopardcubpupkryky69403 жыл бұрын
Wendy's insanity, not her terror.
@sabrinashelton19973 жыл бұрын
Or it could just be the horror that anyone would have seeing this go on in a hotel you thought you were alone in.
@moonchapter20532 жыл бұрын
@@sabrinashelton1997 I bet you're fun at parties
@yellinghayfire49356 жыл бұрын
Not sure if I can fully believe Danny was sexually abused, but physically abused definitely. It can still be as traumatic and frightening for a young child to experience physical violence from a parental figure.
@mrcokez16 жыл бұрын
nope, he was sexually abused there was too many hints proving said theory.
@XTheMighty6 жыл бұрын
I'd honestly prefer it if it was only physical abuse, but aside from the evidence posited here, Stephen King has a very long history of including sexual abuse/assault in his novels. I've read only a handful of his books and they all contained sexual abuse; friends who have read different books than I have also confirm this theme. Furthermore, the acting in this is on point. Watch very closely when he picks his son up in the bedroom: the touch is very slow, deliberate, almost loverly. If someone touched you the way he touches his son in that scene, would you feel good about it? That scene in particular makes me ill.
@mikeneuberg28636 жыл бұрын
9:35 No I thought the same. I always thought if Jack wasn't wearing a t-shirt under his robe he would force Danny to suck on his nipples...and that's just the beginning.
@XTheMighty6 жыл бұрын
Right? So icky.
@peregrinusoblivione49676 жыл бұрын
@@mrcokez1 You cant state an interpretation as fact. I agree, there are many sexual themes surrounding the child. The abuse was most likely sexual.
@LaurenLillianHaggerty6 жыл бұрын
I was sexually abused by my extremely controlling and violent father. The parallels between him and Jack are terrifying. The part where he said he would never hurt Danny or Wendy, my father always did that, and then he would abuse us moments later. This is 100% spot on.
@ishtarbabylon48695 жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry you went through that..big hugs 💖💖💖
@meganro29785 жыл бұрын
Super sorry to hear you went through that, nobody should have to experience that kind of trauma
@cheeseisdelicious1115 жыл бұрын
Your father must not be well. It wasn't your fault.
@dirkthejerk5295 жыл бұрын
Sounds like he is a narcissistic psychopath
@PalmBaiReader5 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that 😣
@TheB00Man Жыл бұрын
18:00 Along the lines of the theme, look how horrified Wendy looks as if she's catching Jack in the act with her son and suddenly realizing the full extent and nature of Danny's abuse. Also, Jack isn't going to kill them simply because he's gone insane, he's going to kill them because he got caught and has to prevent them turning him in.
@disappointedoptimist255 Жыл бұрын
I think moreso he wants to kill them to remove the evidence to himself, he has some guilt towards perverting his relationship with his son but his solution is to purify it by killing the family.
@TheB00Man Жыл бұрын
@@disappointedoptimist255 I agree that he does feel guilty about it -I guess I could have stopped after the first sentence. In any event, I think the horror she is expressing is that of catching Jack in the act and not of seeing ghosts.
@pclm3 жыл бұрын
When Jack sees the woman in room 237 in her 'beautiful' form, to me that signifies that Jack, like most child molesters, thinks of the act as being loving and as enjoyable for the victim as it is for him, at least during the act itself when the abuser's arousal is at its height (and especially when he's drunk). When he has the tables turned on him, and the woman changes form and causes him to be on the receiving end of unwanted 'affection' from a grotesque and frightening creature, the scales fall from his eyes and he finally appreciates how hideous and disturbing it was for Danny. There was no 'mutual pleasure' here, just horrifying abuse and degradation that he committed against his defenceless son, and now he knows it. Danny never saw the 'beautiful' woman, only the rotting hag. Jack, on the other hand, was self-deluded into seeing what he wanted to see to make what he did less abhorrent to him in his own mind. The hotel showed him the truth.
@kxkxkxkx2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing that - it strikes me as true and very insightful!
@GildaLee272 жыл бұрын
Nicely put. Thank you.
@crow_g16392 жыл бұрын
You must be projecting pal
@lymnn82692 жыл бұрын
@@crow_g1639 ?????
@glamdolly302 жыл бұрын
I think Stanley Kubrick would be highly amused at all the wholly unproven, very imaginative interpretations and psychobabble ascribed to 'The Shining'. At the end of the day he deliberately made many aspects of the movie ambiguous, to encourage such debate and intrigue. But I doubt even he would have imagined the outlandish lengths that debate would go to!
@jeanpaulsinatra5 жыл бұрын
That's odd... the blood normally gets off at the second floor
@jonathanmcknight24535 жыл бұрын
The Simpons lol
@KLEARSKITHEKREEPER5 жыл бұрын
Hahaa
@82Stepdaddy5 жыл бұрын
.... careful, ya wont ta geet sood!
@82Stepdaddy5 жыл бұрын
@Mechagodzilla 123 Groundskeeper Willie is the best!
@keribun64735 жыл бұрын
LOL.
@ajs413 жыл бұрын
The most amazing thing is how Kubrick directed Danny without him having any idea it was a horror film.
@johnmc3862 Жыл бұрын
He was 5! 😂
@mountainjay Жыл бұрын
That makes it even more terrifying, actually.
@Peytoneileen Жыл бұрын
@@mountainjayikr! Like just “here’s a knife to play with!”
@richrelaxes1154 Жыл бұрын
He was too busy torturing Shelley Duvall…
@Oldman808 Жыл бұрын
@@richrelaxes1154 I think Shelly has whined enough about her alleged mistreatment. Nobody else has confirmed her story. Her acting was so bad, the film was nearly cancelled. It is clear Shelly suffered then and now from underlying mental disorders. I sympathize with her, but not to the extent I approve her false narrative.
@KyleJWest-vn9kn Жыл бұрын
Perhaps the scariest part about The Shining is you can interpret the movie multiple ways and none of them are wrong. It can be a story about a haunted hotel or child abuse or the treatment of Native Americans. And none of those are wrong. That's really what makes The Shining such a great film.
@AshePBlack7 ай бұрын
Or it can be what director or book author say out of own mouth. All media is subjective to anybody even with dumb opinions if quoted can be used, even out of context. It's even simpler with psychological horror. But Kubrick got his rep and I'm sure no movie follows book exactly. Long of short even if content creators put symbolism in stuff, having fiction for sake of it is fun too. Some my fave horror stuff don't over explain stuff or make think or over think and they are still wonderful. Intention, story telling, characters all matter. Now if for example Kubrick did something because author of book had symbolism ok. Otherwise most fandoms are dumb when they over analyze stuff that authors never intended. Now if for example in the story jack ever abused Danny and bear was symbolism, ok that's story universe, not over analysis to stupid point
@jamesoblivion4 жыл бұрын
It's not a bear inside the "O" in the "choking" sign. It's a child's face with mouth wide open. Which is, if anything, MORE suggestive.
@zoefinch86314 жыл бұрын
that’s what i thought too
@bucklesmagee38064 жыл бұрын
Mkultra
@sadiestoltzfus97983 жыл бұрын
@TubeSurferGeek I think people are reading way too much in this movie. I never picked up on any "sexual molestation" by Jack. Also never picked up that the bear was performing oral sex. I read the book a few times and molestation by the father was never written anywhere in the book. I felt the movie was long drawn out mess.
@DMONEY77203 жыл бұрын
Its a fucking dog suit reas the book
@andria82793 жыл бұрын
@@sadiestoltzfus9798 do you think jack was,possessed?
@TheMarauderOfficial4 жыл бұрын
I don’t think this was a “known thing” at the time but Danny is describing trauma triggered dissociation to the doctor, the idea of “Tony” hiding down in his “stomach” is very evocative of dissociative imagery
@chrisjfox87153 жыл бұрын
Wild to believe that DID hadnt yet been discovered in the 70s
@sylph80053 жыл бұрын
Of course it wasn’t, but stories of people with multiple personalities has existed for a very long time
The bear's eyes are NOT "trimmed." I was born in 1972, and we had a lot of stuffed animals and dolls with felt circles around the eyes that collapsed and folded in very quickly, and stayed that way. That bear has typical folded felt eyes.
@jcepri2 жыл бұрын
Such a buzz killer. /s
@Ardepark2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Rob strangely misses the most obvious things sometimes when he's in aNaLySiS mode
@Evil_Noah2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes weathered fabric is just weathered fabric.
@RealityChecks2 жыл бұрын
@@Evil_Noah pretty much.
@BAR-ct7ti2 жыл бұрын
Trimmed or not, it doesn’t really matter. The bear’s eyes are shown in a way that it looks extremely similar to the floor indicators on the elevator, which clearly wasn’t by accident.
@glamdolly302 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the biggest clue to the child sex abuse theory is the total lack of sexual chemistry between married couple Jack and Wendy Torrance. We never see them in bed together, of kissing, or acting like they are in love. He is seen eyeing up a couple of young women who pass them in a hotel corridor and has no hesitation in passionately kissing the naked woman in 237. It's clearly an abusive relationship in which Jack is the abuser holding all the power, and Wendy acts like a compliant child, making excuses for his behaviour (hurting Danny's arm, drinking), terrified of upsetting him. Ultimately though she is a hero, saving herself and her child from Jack, their would-be killer.
@plasticweapon Жыл бұрын
do we REALLY need a child sex abuse angle to explain the lack of chemistry, sexual or otherwise between jack and wendy?
@glamdolly30 Жыл бұрын
@@plasticweapon You have it the wrong way round! There is a long-standing fan theory (not mine), that Jack is sexually abusing his son Danny. Fans of 'The Shining' debate the movie's overt and covert (and in my view, sometimes non-existent) themes endlessly, on forums like this. Chief among them is the sex abuse theory. I've heard all kinds of surreal garbage from fans presented as 'evidence' of supposed father-son incest, including that in one scene, Danny wears a sweater with a phallic-shaped rocket on it! That in my view is one hell of a stretch. In an early scene between Wendy and a visiting child therapist she mentions that Jack once accidentally injured Danny's arm, but quickly defends her husband saying it was an accident. So the concept of child abuse is planted near the start of the film - though it's violent and there's no suggestion it's of a sexual nature. I don't personally buy into the child sex abuse theory - and don't believe it was ever in director Stanley Kubrick's mind. My original post was intended to point out what I feel is the best credible evidence of Jack having sexual dysfunction (ie being a child abuser), which is the cold, non-physical nature of his relationship with his wife. It strikes me as surprising that those who passionately argue Jack is sexually abusing Danny, cite random symbolism like a space rocket on a jumper, or the surreal, homo-erotic 'bear costume' scene, to support that theory. I haven't heard sex abuse theorists mention the frosty dynamics of Jack and Wendy's marriage in this regard, which I feel is far more compelling evidence of sinister, underlying family dysfunction/child sex abuse, if you are looking for it.
@volkova6209 Жыл бұрын
Why is no one talking about how stupid and harmful this is? The director is basically indicating that gay people are predators.. Ofcourse, like so typical, i'm so sick of seeing this trope f* everywhere. Why do they always have to make ped0s gay in movies? As a gay man who's been taken advantage of as a kid, i don't ever want to hurt kids like that, i never would. Movies like these make people hate us and assume these things about us. It deeply pisses me off
@tiph3802 Жыл бұрын
Heroes don't excuse child abuse of any kind. "Oh, silly hubby was just a little too drunk pulling Danny's arm, teehee! He didn't mean to fucking DISLOCATE his shoulder!"
@glamdolly30 Жыл бұрын
@@tiph3802 As I made clear in my original post, Wendy isn't a hero at the start of the movie - she's a frightened victim, who makes excuses for husband Jack's abuse (as victims under an abuser's control often do). The Wendy we see at the start of The Shining, is a very different character to the Wendy who emerges a triumphant survivor at the close of the story. Wendy ultimately transforms into a hero, after saving herself and her 5-year-old son Danny from the abusive, homicidal Jack. The plot takes Wendy on a journey, from down trodden victim and apologist for Jack, to victor, who with the help of Danny and Dick Halloran (who share the powerful 'Shining' gift), destroys their abuser and achieves a new life, free of him. That's clearly why director Stanley Kubrick made the Wendy character so vulnerable at the start, and pushed for that fragile performance from actress Shelley Duvall. He wanted to achieve dramatic character development, and for her final victory to represent a surprising and satisfying conclusion to her story.
@FanciDreama3 жыл бұрын
Wendy probably knew, to a certain extent, about the abuse Danny was going through. She ignored the signs, and now the hotel is showing her the horror of being trapped in a home with an abuser, without someone to protect her... which is the fear Danny had to go through at home
@lovelovelove9523 Жыл бұрын
this theory is very stupid. Wendy is overprotecting mother and if this was true Jack would be in jail. Jack broke Danny's hand when he was drunk and Wendy still cannot forgive him, as he can't forgive himself because he loves his son. This movie is not about some hidden abuse. do not look for meaning where there is none, this is not the right path
@lisab1225 Жыл бұрын
but, she is still WITH him… duh.
@TheChzoronzon Жыл бұрын
@@lovelovelove9523 Your post is what is very stupid, the movie makes evident that Wendy suspect the truth, it's crystal clear in the doctor scene... unlike in the book, that it seems is what you are talking about Or maybe you are a clueless assburgers sufferer and can't get a hint even if it hits you in the forehead
@thatoneguy5343 Жыл бұрын
@@lovelovelove9523 This theory is for the Kubrick film, not the book. The two are basically different stories.
@foxmcqueen872 Жыл бұрын
@@lovelovelove9523 I think you are confusing the book with the film.....
@Juliet_Capulet3 жыл бұрын
You know, I got a creepy "did he touch that kid?" feeling during their weird "talk" on the bed the very first time I saw the movie. I was very young at the time (14) and I was kind of upset that such a thought would enter my mind...I wondered if there was something wrong with me for having that impression. But I've never actually been able to watch that one quiet, very gore-less scene all the way through without averting my eyes or deciding that was a good time to go to the kitchen for a Pepsi or something. It squicks me out SO bad.
@DIVISIONINCISION3 жыл бұрын
It's time to sit back and watch the scene, baby Capulet. In Psychology, we use "flooding" to overcome fears. If you sit through the scene, it will become less uncomfortable for you over time.
@Juliet_Capulet3 жыл бұрын
@@DIVISIONINCISION Uh-huh..."we" also call that desensitization, normalization, indoctrination, grooming.
@stupendous78483 жыл бұрын
@@DIVISIONINCISION very sus
@orgywithpigs63 жыл бұрын
I’m noticing an interesting pattern in the comments section for this analysis… It seems pretty common for women to be on board with this analysis and the most vehemently opposed have been men.
@azarianavarro67753 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing the first time I watched it the dads vibe was weird
@nicolleashlynn6 жыл бұрын
When Jack and Grady are in the red bathroom. "Your son has a very great talent. I don't think you are aware how great it is. But he is attempting to use that very talent against your will." Notice the facial expressions during this next exchange. "Well... he is a very willful boy." "Indeed he is, Mr. Torrance. A very willful boy. A rather... naughty boy, if I may be so bold, sir." "It's his mother. She uh, interferes." "Perhaps they need a good talking to..." ...
@claraursic86565 жыл бұрын
When talking to Lloyd for the first time, I think it was, he also mentions "his old sperm bank" not working so well....
@nothingforgrantedPS235 жыл бұрын
I just realized it's never seen or implied that he ever had sex with his wife during that whole time.
@PalmBaiReader5 жыл бұрын
🤥 yes that's odd
@Realone0315 жыл бұрын
Old fashion Canadian folk what about him reading a play girl
@PerpetualArt5 жыл бұрын
@@faridjabba + "sperm bank", not banks in the monetary sense.
@narcisseamour10132 жыл бұрын
I love this movie and I always got the feeling that Jack was more than just physically and verbally abusive. Danny's fear of his father always struck me as a child being molested.
@KarlMaldensNose Жыл бұрын
Yep. His withdrawn, affectless demeanor and creation of an imaginary friend who serves to protect him are classic signs and symptoms of sexual abuse in children. I haven't watched the entire video yet so I don't know if this guy mentions that or not.
@neilpatterson1615 Жыл бұрын
I agree. After repeated viewings I see this too. The psychology fits
@dm8579 Жыл бұрын
These "signs" can be found in all kinds of children though. Even the doctor couldn't find anything wrong with Danny. It would be a lot different if we found clear signs of abuse or if the doctor suspected something. @@KarlMaldensNose
@thegolfdude Жыл бұрын
@@KarlMaldensNose armchair psych in the house. It's bad enough the guy on youtube is doing it and getting views/money for it
@KarlMaldensNose Жыл бұрын
@@thegolfdude Dude, it's the internet. Armchair psychology is one of the least egregious thing going on here. But I hear you.
@ericfavre23014 жыл бұрын
Kubrick was known for being maniacally methodical and detail oriented. literally 0.0000% of what we can see/hear onscreen of his movies is left to randomness. your analysis is excellent and as such extremely disturbing....
@gabeitch91424 жыл бұрын
Eric Favre I agree he was very methodical and most things are intentional, but he reaches a lot, and id it’s buy this theory
@heshamhany84704 жыл бұрын
On the contrary, there is an interview where he jokes about people over analyzing his works and how how he tends to be random in some parts of a movie.
@lostfanatic64 жыл бұрын
I agree, that seems to be the case with ALL of his movies. With that in mind, I've always wondered about the opening car drive in The Shining. It always bugs me that we can clearly see the helicopter's shadow throughout that scene. For being such a stickler on things, why on earth did he leave that in?!
@sydssolanumsamsys2 жыл бұрын
you are absolutely mad. Kubrick was, frankly, a sloppy film maker.
@sydssolanumsamsys2 жыл бұрын
@@lostfanatic6 he wasnt a stickler, he was notoriously sloppy and his reputation these days stems from Shining theories just spiraling in on themselves.
@sketchykj20503 жыл бұрын
Adding to the theory: when Jack has the nightmare and Wendy comes to his aid, it seems to me that he is diverting the attention and care that Danny should be getting at that moment, being right after he abused him. He knows that Danny just suffered, but he wants the aftercare to be for him, as abusive men tend to play extremes very well, they'll yell at you one second then demand pity and play innocent the next ('real victim'). This type of hot and cold attitude is what keeps their victims around, since it mindmelts you.
@TheSopheom2 жыл бұрын
Amen. Just got out of one of those. Grooming, abuse, hot and cold, all of it. I feel lucky to be out of it with minimal? damage.
@alantinoalantonio2 жыл бұрын
Women do the exact same thing
@rolandpereira41612 жыл бұрын
@@alantinoalantonio Can confirm, abusers can be of any gender
@glamdolly302 жыл бұрын
Yes, today it's called narcissistic abuse, it is mostly practised by men but there are of course female narcissistic abusers too - as the recent Johnny Depp - Amber Heard trial proved!
@amystubby2 жыл бұрын
Paging Anna Duggar...
@PuffyKumaTenshi4 жыл бұрын
"The layout of room 237 is the exact same as theirs" it's a hotel sir
@PC-tc5ie3 жыл бұрын
Right lol then in the room the layout isn’t even the same. This dude is really reaching for things that aren’t there in the entire video.
@morningowl433 жыл бұрын
Room 237 is a hotel room, the place where the Torrence’s stay is an in-hotel apartment (which is stated in the beginning of the film when they tour the place) for the winter caretaker and the hotel staff. The rooms are very supposed to look different because but they are same in layout which is what he’s reaching for. At least that’s how I interpreted what he said…but I could be reaching too lol
@mistermusturd64023 жыл бұрын
Plenty of older grand lodges have rooms that vary in size.
@kimb890719 күн бұрын
Also...they weren't? Literally when he shows the comparison in the video...they aren't laid out the same. Sorry I know this video is older, but I just watched it and I have...thoughts. Kubrick was a very intentional director, sure, but that doesn't mean spit=semen. STAAAHP. I think people in the comments have much better articulation of this theory than the narrator.
@slambobrandoatmeal88172 жыл бұрын
This theory states that Jack sexually abused and strangled Danny after the fatherly love scene, then Danny covered it up with a nightmare of entering Room 237. I don't think this is right because of the week day title cards. The fatherly love scene happens on a Monday, but Jack has the nightmare on a Wednesday which would have to be 2 (or more, we don't even know if it's in the same week) days later. Wendy sees the strangling marks on Danny's neck for the first time on the Wednesday that he supposedly got when Jack strangled him on the Monday and according for this to have happened, Wendy would have to have not seen Danny at all for 2 days.
@paulsimpson31132 жыл бұрын
I thought this but am open to correction (not from Mr Grady) I also think the theme of twins and doorways as mirrors comes to play here. The mask has the same starey eyes as Wendy could it be Wendy's twin, Wendy's shadow? I think this scene is Wendy realising she has always been the one putting in the effort while Jack sits back doing nothing. She feels abused as much as Danny.
@syra15412 жыл бұрын
I think he meant after that scene, on that Wednesday day
@NotMorganFreeman.2 жыл бұрын
@Slambo Brand Oatmeal I was about to comment the very same thing. I find Rob's videos intriguing and though provoking, but I think he is way off on this one.
@bobbyokeefe42859 ай бұрын
That's why the Shining is so great,it makes sense yet it absolutely makes no sense at the same time,the whole film is just fucking with you,a one never ending disorienting experience.
@UnchangeableBird6 жыл бұрын
Jack Nicholson smiling is terrifying enough
@tonnettegrayson16575 жыл бұрын
😂😅😀👏🏼😄🤣
@dolenzmcqueen83163 жыл бұрын
Benjamin Froehlich Oh, yeah! LOL
@paulaharrisbaca48514 жыл бұрын
Gotta add...that bear picture over Danny's bed is very similar to the pictures psychologists use to diagnose disturbed children. In a book called "Big Secrets", I believe, they show a number of these types of illustrations used to diagnose whether children have been molested or not. For example, there is one of a baby bear sleeping with a partly opened door in its room, and clearly the psychologist is wanting to hear the story the child makes up about the picture, like "the baby bear is pretending to be asleep" or "the baby bear heard something funny from the other room and wants to close the door" kind of thing. I should dig up the book, it's really fascinating material. Although I'm sure it's easy to find the original pictures on the Internet, I just don't know what you'd find them under. It was so much easier when we had card catalogs in the library that weren't mixed in with advertisements and clickbait! Let alone the googolplex trying to control what we can and can't see.
@amandamorgan28022 жыл бұрын
Poor bear animals..now they are associated with abuse by the sick humans..what next.Bear in mind that psychologists are often twisted themselves..lol.
@amandamorgan28022 жыл бұрын
Got it? BEAR in mind 😁
@itsmebilly7483 Жыл бұрын
i know this comment is 2 years old, but do you happen to know the name of the author of the book you described? it sounds really interesting but i tried looking for a book called “big secrets” but i couldn’t find anything similar to the book you mentioned.
@seethreepio3 жыл бұрын
As a victim of csa, I’ve recognized a lot of my behaviors in Danny. The theory seems far fetched to some, but I stand by it.
@twigwigsoso3 жыл бұрын
fellow csa victim and i agree
@ameliasegan2138 Жыл бұрын
I hope you get lots of love ❤️
@kaydengillum376 Жыл бұрын
Fellow csa survivor and with parents who has a similar character dynamic, this film always struck a cord with me and I thought it was just because of the domestic abuse themes
@hectorlumbagoCringe Жыл бұрын
Boy looks at all of us csa survivors, boy the world sucks
@AngelinaCurry Жыл бұрын
Same
@emib.42752 жыл бұрын
I knew I was picking up the theme of sexual abuse; I kept having that sinking feeling while watching the scenes of Danny and Jack interacting together, I just couldn’t piece out the reasons why. Thanks for laying them out!
@jamesbyrne9312 Жыл бұрын
The sinking feeling is because he was going to ne murdered!
@autdelux11 ай бұрын
you know its there but you cant see it clearly. ecatly how it is in the real world for ppl around abusers noticing small pieces but most often dont put it together.
@sandozman60856 жыл бұрын
To all of the people saying things like “you think kubrick would have jack spit? Or those are just props”. You obviously haven’t seen how he made shelly do the stair scene so many times she was hysterical, while he made jack do it once... Thus actually abusing her to make the film more realistic. Kubrick was an obsessive genius, every part of everything is planned out in his films. So yes he picked those pictures. Three things I believe about the film are 1. danny let jack out of the locked room, children of abusive parents will keep going back to them with the hope of love over and over.. 2. I think halloran knew danny was in trouble, and it just hit him while he laid there that he left the boy... 3. The film is like the yellow title page says, a modern American horror story.. Its about being isolated in an alcoholic, abusive family, alone and afraid, there is no way out. And the only ghosts are in yourself, you see in all the mirrors. I’ve had the displeasure, at my place of work to see children experience states of catatonic paralysis due to abuse ptsd. Kubrick did a scary good job of recreation of those states with dannys character. The film is extremely high level. And i think it may be about more than one topic at the same time. That is to say one scene may have two or more meanings at once, and the film certainly speaks to more than one issue.
@nerdseyeview50176 жыл бұрын
Hallorann also got his telepathic gifts because he was sexually abused also. That is why Jack has this gift as well.
@cowboysunrae6 жыл бұрын
@@nerdseyeview5017 wait, when was that mentioned in the film. It's been a while
@nerdseyeview50176 жыл бұрын
@@cowboysunrae You have to read the book. If you want a shortcut to confirm this look online or on youtube. Halloran speaks of "Shinning" as a telepathic gift in the movie, however does not state how because Stanley Kubrik wants the audience to figure out how Jack has this gift. This video shows how Jack has the gift.
@kittykat6326 жыл бұрын
Stanley Kubrick had first-hand witnessed child abuse not of himself but of other children at the parties he attended with the rest of the elites. He was exposing what he saw and what he knew the only way he knew how.... in an artistic way.
@nerdseyeview50176 жыл бұрын
@@kittykat632 I believe it. Nobody exposes the elites without being killed after a couple of years instead of instantly. I guess Stanley Kubrick was smart about it. If he did it literally it would be a different story. Truth isn't obvious or popular, and only a handful of individuals with know the truth. I would ask you "how do you know?" but it would be wrong to ask you to put yourself out their like that.
@raywalsh21903 жыл бұрын
As an adult survivor of childhood physical/sexual abuse, I can tell you that Rob is spot on with this analysis, and Kubrick may have been a survivor as well, using this project to express some of the deep-seated trauma that he may have suffered. I'm not sure, otherwise, how he would have been so very knowledgeable about the intricacies of the abuser/victim dynamic. It took me a long time to even begin to understand, but as I grew older I realized that the physical abuse I suffered resulted from the guilt my abuser felt every time he looked at me. Seeing me would trigger this guilt, and shame, and would be instantly replaced by anger. And the only way to deal with the anger was to attack the "source" ... that being me. Of course, I never allowed this to justify my abuser's actions. He did tremendous, and long lasting, psychological harm that took me decades to, even partially, disassemble. But it did help me to understand, just a little, so that I could begin the process of healing.
@stealdork42142 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing
@moonchapter20532 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharind, and I'm sorry you went throught something like that; but, I don't think Kubrick is a survivor. Kubrick himself psychologically abused Wendy's actress to make her perform the character better, to make her stress and trauma seem real on screen. Kubrick is more like an abuser than a victim, if he did this sexual assault symbolisms so well I think it's more related to the fact that he is a perfectionist, and he most likely studied about the matter very well to get it into the film perfectly. He always criticizes violence in his movies, but he himself was violent with his crew so; if he criticizes sexual assault I don't think he is necessarily a survivor
@raywalsh91522 жыл бұрын
@Critique Everything Thank you for the reply. He paid a long time ago. Got mouthy with a couple younger guys at a bar. They beat the shit the out of him in the parking lot. He stumbled back into the bar and collapsed on the floor mumbling in French (he was French Canadian). The bartender and regulars just figured he passed out again and it took awhile for anyone to call 911. Died in his own blood and piss on a dirty barroom floor. I'd say Karma kicked some ass that day. I just wish I could have been front row with a bag of popcorn.
@gerry20962 жыл бұрын
@@moonchapter2053 Survivors of childhood physical/sexual abuse often end up becoming abusers as well. It's a very common phenomenon. Just because you were abused as a child and even if you understand how psychological mechanisms of this type of trauma work, does not mean you can't be an abuser yourself. That's why Kubrick may have been a survivor AND an abuser.
@iiBandage2 жыл бұрын
Sorry that happened to you. Hope the best.
@cadybrette79585 жыл бұрын
Just putting in my two cents: What doesn't make sense to me about this theory is the timeline. The scene with Jack and Danny ended with the day changing to Wednesday, and him having the choking marks in the midday. We see Wendy serves them both breakfast throughout the movie, would she not have seen these scars then? It could be that the sexual assault didn't happen during the scene with Jack and Danny. Perhaps Jack was the one who lured Danny into room 237 and assaulted him at that point. I do believe there is a good foundation for this theory but it is difficult to believe it happened before Danny went into room 237 when he goes in looking put together and comes out with choking scars and disheveled. Also an explanation why Hallorann was scared of room 237 despite this not happening yet is that during the ice cream scene with him and Danny, Hallorann explains that those with the shine can see "things that haven't happened yet." He could have had a bad feeling off of this room because of what was going to be done to Danny.
@edgarroberts87404 жыл бұрын
Oh my God, this is definitely plausible! Something that adds support to it is that Danny is lured into room 237 by someone in there rolling a ball towards him. The only person in the movie we see with a ball is Jack, who bounces it around when he's bored.
@jamesoblivion4 жыл бұрын
@@edgarroberts8740 And the original ending featured Ullman giving Jack's ball to Danny. Which...even typing it, it sounds filthy.
@dcdc1394 жыл бұрын
@Lawn Mower Trauma and PTSD are complicated. Overall, to me, it's just a metaphor to keep the "horror" narrative moving along
@dcdc1394 жыл бұрын
@@edgarroberts8740 Great insight. I hadn't even considered this.
@njhovo_4 жыл бұрын
Lol yeah. Plus he’s wearing a different outfit when he shows the scars to his mom.
@AlexReynard Жыл бұрын
God, I remember as a kid that dog/bear mask might've scared me more than any single image, and I had no idea why. Maybe just because, it's *so* ugly, there's no way any costume manufacturer would have made it. It has the uncanniness I sometimes see in AI art; of something that looks familiar, yet made by something that's never understood how a human would see its subject matter.
@The-Autistic-Rat Жыл бұрын
Same. And it had more of an impact because of the whole sexual component that we didn't understand at the time, but knew there was something more and dirty to it. The dead eyes and big teeth really didn't help.
@retriever19golden55 Жыл бұрын
I first saw the movie in my early twenties, and the image of the bear man straightening up and staring right at me really freaked me out...still does.
@innocuousmerchant8766 Жыл бұрын
yeah, very uncanny quality to it. very jarring as a kid and as an adult still.
@MrBarrynicholas4 жыл бұрын
Kubrick didn’t make mistakes. Everything was there for a purpose.
@TheGamingAltar4 жыл бұрын
Stephen King has come out against the film stating that he thought he misunderstood jack
@MrBarrynicholas4 жыл бұрын
Tyler Turner King hates it because Kubrick made it better.
@sonnyooo3384 жыл бұрын
He made one
@sonnyooo3384 жыл бұрын
In the end of the shining jack is in the picture from 1921 he is drinking alcohol which was illegal due to prohibition explain that
@MrBarrynicholas4 жыл бұрын
@@sonnyooo338 Just because something is illegal doesn't stop people from doing it.
@montewhaley18654 жыл бұрын
Was Danny's injury 5 months ago--when Jack promised Wendy he'd stop drinking--or "three godammed years ago!" like he told Lloyd?
@averys17384 жыл бұрын
He could’ve drank before that. There’s no telling how much abuse Jack did before “stopping drinking.”
@sandracmyers4 жыл бұрын
@@averys1738 is that the logic YOU use? Lol 🍷🍸🍼
@sandracmyers4 жыл бұрын
That hilarious....
@afterdeath88624 жыл бұрын
An alcoholic clean for 5 months might feel like 3 years especially after being accused of hurting his son
@foxhoundbridges48514 жыл бұрын
another thing i find weird is the guy that is interviewing jack said the sisters were 8 and 10 but they are twins
@ageofdulltron20524 жыл бұрын
The Shining has several well, well studied symbolic and literal interpretations. Kubrick was simply a mastermind in his craft. Most movies fail to land just one narrative concisely.
@EphemeralProductions4 жыл бұрын
I agree. I am of the opinion that thw shining is his magnum opus and his his most complex and well done film, due to All its hidden details and intricacies
@dolenzmcqueen83163 жыл бұрын
What About Blob I'm kind of in two minds about Kubrick...one is that Kubrick had a lot of time on his hands to put so much effort into all the hidden meanings into his films that most people would never pick up and also the fact that at the same time it's really interesting. He was either into self-satisfaction and he really enjoyed doing it or he was really smart because he knew it was a way to keep his movies or name living on way past their run. No matter what his motives were, it's still pretty cool. It at least gives the viewer more way than one to watch his movies and have fun with, but surely must have been a lot of work for him, but then, if he really enjoyed doing that then it wasn't a lot of work I guess.
@TheHazza2 жыл бұрын
What I love about The Shining is how ambiguous and open for interpretation it is. This was a wonderful analysis and adds ever more to the psychological horror of the film.
@manuelkong10 Жыл бұрын
agreed. but this guy think his thoughts on thematter are the ONLY correct ones
@louisstevens6779 Жыл бұрын
It is patently about child abuse. There is no other interpretation.
@TheHazza Жыл бұрын
@@louisstevens6779 you’d agree it’s art though? And whilst I agree it’s most likely about child abuse, and of course the creator has their own interpretation, when it comes to art most the whole thing is open to be interpreted and considered in any which way.
@rarkevil Жыл бұрын
@@louisstevens6779there’s 4 different interpretations.
@gottesurteil32016 жыл бұрын
It may be so, but it can never be certain. Also curb your hubris, Lord of the Rings are great films in their own right irrespective of their "escapism."
@realnuisance395 жыл бұрын
I’d argue that film as entertainment is wholly escapism regardless of genre lol
@majik51945 жыл бұрын
Yea that was a cheap shot
@kristoffbjorgman30177 жыл бұрын
Damn...that makes Wendy and Danny even more sad as characters, especially Wendy. Imagine being trapped with this crazy man that sexually abuses your child and the fact that you yourself have had your mind so twisted by this man that you actually defend him to a medical professional. Like... Both Wendy and Danny are more tragic now and this movie just got so much scarier. *shivers*
@ThePharaohGaming6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the previous caretaker, the axe murderer, might have sexually abused his twin daughters. Hence why Danny sees them so often?
@clubbasher325 жыл бұрын
ThePharaohGaming i dont see why not
@WhaleManMan5 жыл бұрын
That’s a reach boi. Sometimes, they’re just ghosts.
@reshpeck5 жыл бұрын
@@WhaleManMan Not when it's Stanley Kubrick. As this video highlights quite well, not a single component of a single frame of his films were unintentional.
@pa.encema28215 жыл бұрын
sexual abuse. Jack broke his arm cause he was an acholic
@ruhulruy91215 жыл бұрын
@@pa.encema2821 no. Jack caught Danny Jacking off using his arm. So he dislodged it.
@autumnlashai Жыл бұрын
I know I am late to this video, but my mind is seriously blown. I am a survivor of csa/psa and ironically enough my dad used to play this movie a lot as a child. And despite the parallels to my own abuse, it never crossed my mind that Danny was going through the same thing I was. But there was something about the scene where he sits on his father's lap that always made me feel really uncomfortable. Now I know why...and it makes the movie even more horrifying because the real horror is that this happens everyday. Unrelated but related: I believe Tony is Danny's alter who allows Danny to disassociate from the trauma or uncomfortable conditions surrounding him. It's ultimately how he outsmarts his dad in the final hedge-maze scene. Danny even says that Tony lives in his mouth, which is even more suggestive considering what Danny has to endure at the hands of his father. It's likely that Danny has dissociative identity disorder, which many sexual abuse survivors are diagnosed with because we have to create alters in order to survive...alters who give us "superpowers" to cope with our horrors and survive. Danny's alter is Tony, who gives him clairvoyant powers. He even seems older than what he is, which is likely the Tony alter (also victims of psa often "act" older than they are because something so sexually deviant is happening to them--they "mature" quickly). The only way I knew how to cope with it was disassociating and altering.
@dathorndike4908 Жыл бұрын
Great insight and analysis my friend. You are spot on
@RandMontauk4 жыл бұрын
Wendy also reads catcher in the rye which has a child being sexually abused. Perhaps she was reading it because she was subconsciously drawn to it's themes
@Nick-kw9oz2 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? Who is sexually abused in "the catcher in the rye"
@RandMontauk2 жыл бұрын
@@Nick-kw9oz Holden by his Teacher…..
@Nick-kw9oz2 жыл бұрын
@@RandMontauk Where in the book does it talk about Holden getting molested by his teacher? Btw whats the point of putting a bunch of periods at the end of your statement? I can only assume its because the answer is supposed to be obvious? Yet ive read The Catcher in the Rye 3x and there isnt any mention of Holden being molested by his teacher.
@RandMontauk2 жыл бұрын
@@Nick-kw9oz between the lines. Maybe look into some analysis of the book instead
@Nick-kw9oz2 жыл бұрын
@@RandMontauk Saying theres some hidden sexual abuse going on in Krubrics version of The Shining is one thing but saying theres sexual abuse happening to Holden is something else. Your reading too far into things if you think Holden was sexually abused by his teacher. There is one conversation that you could possible derive this from. Which isnt enough evidence to say that he was being sexually abused in the book. Thats what YOUR taking away from it, not whats actually there. The kids dealing with the death of his little brother and coming to terms with the harsh reality's of life. The same people spouting this theory of sexual abuse are the same ones saying Holden is a pedophile that has a incest attraction to his sister. People can find just about anything if they look hard enough.
@swantonist6 жыл бұрын
Couple things. When danny walks into his parents bedroom in the overlook his father is sitting at the edge of the bed the same as the man who is receiving fellatio. When Danny is brushing his teeth, the bathtub and it's curtain is very reminiscent of the bathtub in room 237. I think the teeth brushing scene is the scene that links it all together. I believe when Danny walks into room 237, it represents what he as the abused experiences. When jack enters the room he goes in to experience sexual pleasure, when looking into the mirror he sees what he is doing as truly horrific, this is what drives him mad.
@scottdavid56616 жыл бұрын
Totally! The ghosts of the house can make you see things like a young attractive woman who is actually old and disgusting so of course the house made Jack think his son was someone else and had sex
@OoSweetyman5 жыл бұрын
Wow two rooms in the same hotel have the same looking bathroom I am so surprised
@HealthyObbsession5 жыл бұрын
Leo 🤣🤣🤣🤣 omg I know what are the chances
@chrishuston70825 жыл бұрын
Maybe
@thegirlinquestion5 жыл бұрын
@juneaug Lok i don't think they're stretching. you can't just say "nah" like an idiot
@ResidentOfTheAbyss3 жыл бұрын
The eyes on Danny’s teddy bear were not trimmed, they are curled away from the base of the pillow itself due to wear.
@TriciaC993 жыл бұрын
I thought of that too.
@jcepri2 жыл бұрын
I thought that tidbit was a bridge too far. Same for the referencing blood for the mouth.
@crs23852 жыл бұрын
Yeah the material looks wilted more than anything else, and this usually happens when fabric has been washed a few times
@Ardepark2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, bless his heart but Rob tends to read a bit too much into things at times.
@b1akn3ss932 жыл бұрын
They still chose that bear though
@chairs-rs9mz Жыл бұрын
it's also called the 'overlook' hotel - Danny's abuse was being over looked (by Wendy and maybe others) . Also, notice the eyes of Jack - notice how his eyes gradually begin to move up ward- imitating what eyes do when one orgasms - it happens in the fatherly scene - honestly Jack's eyes in this scene upwards make it look like he's getting turned on. Also the screams from his worst dream scene to me sound like he is orgasming also in a rough manner - he says it is his 'worst dream' not nightmare - alluding to the fact that it is a fantasy of his and something he is ashamed of.
@DylanCEdh4 жыл бұрын
If King caught this then it’s no wonder why he hated Kubrick’s film so much
@vampiradeathrockerbatxq7624 жыл бұрын
Right i was just thinking that.
@ageofdulltron20524 жыл бұрын
Same. They famously disagreed and quarreled. This lands are hard subtext that King took VERY personally. I’m fascinated how this movie continues to grow thanks to observant people.
@MrDominex4 жыл бұрын
@@ageofdulltron2052 Kubrick never quarreled with King, he simply bought the rights to the book and King wrote a screenplay which Kubrick ignored. The director collaborated with another writer to produce the script that was used. King expressed disapprroval of the final film in 1980 but never belabored the issue-- only fans have kept the "dispute" alive through the decades.
@AdamMichalMarkowski4 жыл бұрын
@@MrDominex Though part about King taking it personally might be true. Let's not forget that King put lot of himself in Jack, so adding molestation of own child would be taken very personally by King.
@MrDominex4 жыл бұрын
@@AdamMichalMarkowski Kubrick didn't put anything in the movie about sexual molestation. The uneasiness that Danny felt toward his father was about the threat of violence, not sex. People just like to project sexual molestation into stories because it is currently a "hot topic." There are no hidden signals, hints or suggestions of it in "The Shining."
@jayjayquest49586 жыл бұрын
The "Apollo" sweater Danny is wearing... Apollo being one of the Greek gods who had a homosexual lover (with Hyacinth, the son of the king of Sparta).
@rebeccajames-sarkar7175 жыл бұрын
Is it wow
@seldane32185 жыл бұрын
All the Greek gods had a homosexual lover all the Greeks did
@princedonovaughn11825 жыл бұрын
@jlalewicz he gets turned into a flower at the end.
@pillgrimm5 жыл бұрын
What a stretch lmao
@tnbn555 жыл бұрын
Danny is just the occult light bringer/enlightened one. He knows what others don't.
@berserker18776 жыл бұрын
When the mother saw the bear costume couple in the room, she finally understood what Jack did to Danny. the realization hits her hard.
@andreeadamask65856 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing.. shes trying to protect him and not just from the Hotel "ghosts". Theres a reason I believe the Hotel chose Jack perhaps his deviancy and abuse made him a Great "guest" for that Hellhole hotel . the last scene is also giving hints, as is after "finishing" murders or violence, he Succeeds at being "one of the guys" - in the final photo.
@13thcentury6 жыл бұрын
Jack beat Danny and broke his arm... he didn't bloody rape him
@powerfulmanifestor62806 жыл бұрын
I believe Jack has raped Danny in the rear and forced fellatio as symbolised in this grosteque demonic demon. Please protect the children in the power of Archangel Michael
@lampshade77746 жыл бұрын
@@13thcentury then explain the purpose of the bear fellatio scene
@MrsBraxtonChrist6 жыл бұрын
wow that was good analyzing!
@scarymonsterzz Жыл бұрын
No need to take an immature jab at people who are uncomfortable with the topic of child sexual abuse. It's a pretty normal thing to be uncomfortable with, actually.
@DaffierPig684311 ай бұрын
Agreed
@diegobrando67425 жыл бұрын
I don’t like the condescending attitude you take towards people that might not agree with your theory. That being said good video
@diegobrando67425 жыл бұрын
Alexander Supertramp the point of your comment?
@NetTubeUser5 жыл бұрын
This is why he lost all credibility by saying this with his parternalizing attitude towards people watching this video, like _"Listen to me. Listen to my monotone and calm voice. You must accept everything I say... or just leave because I know better than you, based on my personal opinion and feelings, and because I don't care about your opinion."_ . He's a pretentious imbecile with his maniac compulsive theories. And listen to his hilarious "observation" so evident for everyone about the bear costume at 17:50
@morganwalz39385 жыл бұрын
Ok boomer
@diegobrando67425 жыл бұрын
Morgan Walz bruh your old lookin ass has no right
@ivanyy5 жыл бұрын
@@morganwalz3938 Damn what a comedy master
@moongirl7866 жыл бұрын
I think you're missing the obvious... his sweater changed because its the next day. He talked to his father on a Tuesday, then it cuts to the next day (Wednesday), which is when he goes to Room 237. If this is the case, then his mother would have noticed the marks on his neck on Tuesday evening when she put him to bed. I'm pretty sure there's a ghost in Room 237, as there are obviously supernatural phenomena in this film, such as Danny and Halloran talking telepathically using the Shining. Now this doesn't preclude the possibility Jack's dream included abusing Danny, and that is when he really starts to go crazy, as Danny comes downstairs looking hurt and traumatized, so he starts to question whether it was a dream or whether it really happened. That Playgirl magazine was a good catch, which is why I think the theme is definitely there, whether or not it actually happened
@Slackmana6 жыл бұрын
I think you're both right. I think Jack is guilty but I don't think he's guilty for the marks on Danny's neck. I think the Shinning is a supernatural force, and I believe it's protecting Danny. Danny doesn't know he should be afraid of his dad, but he does knows he should be afraid of monsters and ghosts. That's why I believe the Shinning is responsible for the marks. It wasn't hurting Danny, it wanted to frighten him into seeking his Mothers protection.
@mateusrezenderibeiro34756 жыл бұрын
@@Slackmana what a retarded theory. I'm reporting your commentary so no one else need to read this crap
@Dom_5106 жыл бұрын
the playgirl magazine was a joke between Nicholson and Kubrick, it wasn't actually part of the story or anything
6 жыл бұрын
Mateus Rezende Ribeiro well that action was just as retarded as the comment he made lol.
@lemankurtz89506 жыл бұрын
@@Dom_510 I heard that as well. I'm sure Kubrick knew it would drive the batshit nuts even nuttier years later. He truly was a genius.....😔
@nebulousisgod4 жыл бұрын
I didn’t think this movie could get more terrifying but you just did it for me. Sexual abuse wasn’t even a thought in my mind watching this film a million times. Well done analysis.
@ajs413 жыл бұрын
I suspected it from the first time I watched it.
@cathydanielson99952 жыл бұрын
I just came up with a theory that I've never seen before. That doesn't mean that somebody hasn't actually come up with it already-- that's very possible. But I haven't seen it. So if it exists, it can't be very well-known. In this theory, *Danny* is the one who actually conjures up all of the events in his mind as a re-enactment of his father's abuse (and his mother's enabling of the abuse.) It's a revenge fantasy. That's also why his mother is in so much danger until she actually begins to actively work towards protecting Danny. Once she gets out into the maze with him and they escape Jack, the danger is over. In Danny's fantasy, this represents his mother finally believing that the abuse is happening. This theory would explain the scene with Jack's interview in the impossible room, the one that spatially can't exist. We are not looking at reality at any point except for Danny's breakdown scene. This would also explain why Kubrick pulled the film from theaters to cut the ending scene that also takes place in the "real world" (Wendy going to a police station and being unable to find out what happened to Jack.) I've never seen a theory that explains this strange and very expensive decision, and there had to be a good reason for it. Kubrick realized that it completely broke the storytelling device where Danny was the narrator and it all was taking place in his mind.
@wet-read Жыл бұрын
Which room is impossible?
@l.k.3304 Жыл бұрын
Nice!!!
@LeahIsHereNow Жыл бұрын
I was always angry with her watching the movie, but I didn’t know exactly why until I was a mother myself. The way she so nonchalantly talks about her son’s arm being broken by her maniac alcoholic husband was seriously disconcerting.
@manifestgtr4 жыл бұрын
Danny’s wide-eyed expression of terror is one of the most disturbing images in all of cinema. It reminds me of nightmares I’d have when I was really young...at an age when scary things TRULY shake your foundation. It represents the purest form of terror. This place where no other emotion exists...
@therealstinkgod26042 жыл бұрын
Such a perfect description of what that feeling was like as a child. I still vividly remember hiding under my blankets with genuine fear for my life after accidentally seeing something scary on the TV as a little kid
@anthonyboyle8772 жыл бұрын
The wide eye terror scene mirrors the writers expression in clockwork orange starring Patrick mcghee strongly enough he uses the same make of typewriter,.Jack Nicholson uses when repeatedly typing the old sailor proveb. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy .
@jonasserra28142 жыл бұрын
Like trying to scream in a nightmare. Full force but no sounds come out. I vividly remember yelling for my mom in the kitchen as I was being dragged away by a monster. This nightmare happened when I was 6 and I think about it all the time.
@sodapopinski6904 жыл бұрын
I always looked at the bear scene as nothing more than pure shock to make your skin crawl. That scene happens as the suspense and terror has been building for several minutes toward the end of the film and the camera is panned way out as you're looking at the bear and your staring at it wondering 'what the hell is that?' Kubrick then at just the right moment quickly pans in on it and it scares the living daylights out of you when you see something so bizarre.
@Mario_N643 жыл бұрын
It could also be some deviant stuff from the Roaring Twenties. Some decadent sex practices by high society guests at the time.
@gregkinsky34433 жыл бұрын
Aunt Esther - you have made a very important point. I fully agree that when Wendy sees these two engaging what appears to be fellatio, it is WTF moment where we know what we're seeing is private and meant to happen behind closed doors. But what makes the "bear/dog" costume even more "interesting" is due to the fact that the mouth and jowls of that mask would not allow for proper fellatio. How could anything get past that snaggle-toothed mask....the teeth and fangs cover the opening near that mouth, thus not allowing any body part to be inserted there. The hint in the King novel is when the character of Horace Derwent is seen with one of his "friends" who likes to dress up in a doggie outfit, sit and walk on all fours and generally just be a common garden variety party favor. This is all we have to go on regarding the book.
@michellemckillop89353 жыл бұрын
If this guy was right, Danny would see those 2. NOT the mom. This narrator is really stretching it. Pardon the sexual pun
@Bob-jm8kl3 жыл бұрын
@@michellemckillop8935 Would Danny see it from 3rd person view or 1st person view? The latter. Wendy would see it from 3rd person view.
@shoshonesasquatch16423 жыл бұрын
@@michellemckillop8935 a lot of this seems like a stretch. It's so many stretches 99.999999% of whoever watches the movie wouldn't get it and the .000001% that does just sounds crazy to the rest of us now.
@gazrobinson1715 жыл бұрын
The bear eyes haven't been trimmed, they are just folded up a little.
@enesvy5 жыл бұрын
Yes. Does seem to be intentional, though, and does make it look more like the elevator "eyes."
@enesvy5 жыл бұрын
@Jagar Tharn That is always possible except a director like Kubrick looks at absolutely every detail of a close shot like that. There is every possibility he didn't care, every possibility it was an artistic choice, and every possibility it was a happy accident he saw in the camera.
@lvialviaquez91465 жыл бұрын
Yep
@Archetype775 жыл бұрын
@Jagar Tharn It's a prop you fucking moron.
@Tazza815 жыл бұрын
Kubriks attention to detail is legendary. The eye being crumpled would have been 100% intentional. Read up on him www.itsnicethat.com/features/stanley-kubrick-the-exhibition-the-design-museum-obsession-and-creativity-film-230419
@johnwatts8346 Жыл бұрын
the exact moment jack becomes really nasty and decides to kill them is directly after he asks wendy in a calm voice 'you mean leave the hotel?' and she says 'yes', this is because the hotel (in the abuse aspect of the plot) is simply an ave family home, and she is saying im gonna leave and take your kid with me, this is the exact kind of triggering incident that could lead irl an abusive father and husband to murder his wife and child- you cant / you dont get to leave and humiliate me and take my kid away leaving me alone with nothing but a bottle of booze, i'll kill ya before i ever allow that to happen.
@usernameusername79004 жыл бұрын
In the “fatherly love scene” he wore dark blue/black pants, and on the chair in front of the mirror, there was a pair of light blue jeans. When Jack stood up in the dream scene, he was wearing a different pair of jeans... the same ones that were on the chair in front of the mirror, conveniently placed in view. Also the bear scene could have been Danny subconsciously shining and giving his mom the vision as a way to tell her what happened.
@akhtarjaviero36273 жыл бұрын
sorry to burst your bubble but the sequel movie Doctor Sleep debunked this theory
@gob98523 жыл бұрын
@@akhtarjaviero3627 Yes I remember when Stanley Kubrick burst out of his grave and ghost-directed Doctor Sleep.
@akhtarjaviero36273 жыл бұрын
@@gob9852 i know that stanley doesn't direct Doctor Sleep, but like it or not it's now part of The Shining movie canon
@akhtarjaviero36273 жыл бұрын
@@gob9852 even if the theory is right and that stanley was hinting at an abuse. It's now not canon
@akhtarjaviero36273 жыл бұрын
@@gob9852 just because Stanley Kubrick doesn't direct it doesn't mean it's not canon
@francismotionless3932 жыл бұрын
I had zero clue Danny was sexually abused, when I watched this movie at 10 years old. I just recently watched the whole movie again, and I'm 34 now. It shows little hints of it. But after watching this video it becomes very clear. The little hints you bring up are on point.
@lavarball5282 жыл бұрын
i love ur pfp
@lovelovelove9523 Жыл бұрын
he wasn't sexually abused.... i don't agree with your theory and everyone who commented here. It looks like nobody has watched the film. Main theme of this film is not about abuse lol. Wendy overprotect her son Danny and she do not trust much Jack after the incident with Danny's broken hand. And Jack regrets it every day, he loves his son and he won't let a "single hair fall from his head". And the bear costume is simple: the bear symbolyze Russia who sucks off to Uncle Sam (USA), meaning Russia has lost in the cold war. Your theory is very stupid. This movie was made in the 80's, not woke 2015-2020
@robertrodriguez787 Жыл бұрын
He wasn't Sexually Abused this guy's a Dumbass that don't know what he's talking about
@mikeykane5938 Жыл бұрын
@@lovelovelove9523 I agree that I don’t think it was a main point. But bro it could’ve happen. The point of the movie is evil never dies. It’s a cycle of evil and death that will continue to cycle. The fact that jack is evil incarnate he could have molested him.
@anonymous-hz2un Жыл бұрын
@@lovelovelove9523 bear symbolises russia... please tell me you're joking. That's so random that you have to be 😂😂
@dash_r_media2 жыл бұрын
This point has probably been made before, but at 13:35 when Danny enters the room and Jack along with Jack's image in the mirror create the effect that Danny is entering hostile territory, as though he is outnumbered.
@BrokeNdisAbled Жыл бұрын
Right! Also: identical to jack w/ the bag: mirrored: so the viewers can join the similarities (even if we subconsciously connect the two)
@Fluffykeith2 жыл бұрын
This really cements how different Jack is in the film from how he is in the book. In the book he starts as a sympathetic character that you can have some level of empathy with...he’s a recovering alcoholic who was violent....but he’s trying to be better than that and the haunted hotel destroys him. If this interpretation is true, the Jack in the movie is a repugnant monster from the get go. Which might explain the casting of Jack Nicholson (not saying Nicholson is repugnant) since his version of Jack comes across as “off” from the very first time we see him.
@bethanalpha Жыл бұрын
yes, it's really a different and that is probably why Stephen King hated kubrik and his movie. Also because King admitted that his inspiration for the book was actually himself, when he was having bad thoughts on his family because of stress, and what could have become if he wasn't mentally stable unlike Jack Torrance. So probably Kubrik poked at him subconsciously telling King is a child rapist murderer
@duperscreen8116 жыл бұрын
This is a great video but "Dumb Batman super hero movies, or LOTR, or whatever escapist stuff makes you feel better" is a little petty. Meh
@slappy89416 жыл бұрын
Triggered? He's not wrong.
@MrTrenttness6 жыл бұрын
I feel a bit of the same way. While most super films are in fact, spectacles, Christopher Nolan's Bat-Man series is incredible. And the LOTR is nothing short of the story of Western Civilization seen through a fantasy film. But in either case, I can watch those movies over and over and know when I pop them in my disc player, I can sink back in my chair for a relaxing good time. I can't say the same for movies about child sexual abuse.
@MrTrenttness6 жыл бұрын
....I still really enjoy these movie reviews though and I'm thankful to have exposure to these idea's and observations.
@Matt-bu6vz6 жыл бұрын
Scrolled down and read your quote at the exact same time as he was saying it. I agree too btw
@felixgagnon70406 жыл бұрын
as soon as he said I scrolled down to see if anyone else though this was unnecessary
@ChronicBreakdown5 жыл бұрын
I can understand the theory, but it just seems a little far fetched.
@cocharles5634 жыл бұрын
Movies have pacing. Deliberately edited scenes can be left on the cutting room floor because the director wanted a specific scene to appear next to another.
@lesliehardeman62124 жыл бұрын
@@cocharles563 Therefore we the audience are left not getting the meaning of the scene/movie...
@dr.lexwinter86044 жыл бұрын
I'm inclined to say the theory is true, the father was abusive towards him, maybe even sexually. But most of the 'evidence' given seems far fetched and patently false projections by the author here. So I agree with his premise I just think he got to his conclusion the wrong way.
@davehallett31284 жыл бұрын
More than far fetched. I think this abuse. Diversion perversion. Is more of a rorschack test. I ve seen the movie several times and all i saw was a kid wearing a t shirt before the narrator pointed out the apollo 11 aspect. And i think the penis aimed at the kid s mouth is REALLY seeing what he wants to see. WHICH IS A TOPIC THIS GUY SHOULD take up with a psychiatrist not a youtube audience. Imagine some guy you know. A relative. A neighbour. A co worker telling you your son s apollo 11 t shirt looks like a penis aimed at your son s mouth. After you finished hitting the guy you d tell him if you ever catch him near your son again. you re gonna
@iamthewizardwhoknocks28454 жыл бұрын
_"I think he did it to himself"_
@allenho27786 жыл бұрын
When you consider that Danny talks to Tony, which is manifested as a wiggly finger that hides in his mouth, it is quite clear what Kubrick is telling you.
@13thcentury6 жыл бұрын
Tony is Danny from the future. There is no sexual reference.
@allenho27786 жыл бұрын
There is nothing in the film to imply that Tony is Danny from the future.
@jmallett60816 жыл бұрын
The issue of Tony is interesting. Tony is telling Danny what is going to happen and Danny can see the horrors his father is doing without being there. Is Tony a supernatural connection to his father in some way?
@user-cf8ge1qi7o6 жыл бұрын
@@allenho2778 Kubrick kept the 'shell' of the Stephen Kings' novel in the movie, one of the things he kept was Tony. Anthony is Danny's middle name and he is Danny in the future. Tony's presence is explained more in detail at the end of the book.
@13thcentury6 жыл бұрын
@@allenho2778 That is because Kubrick couldn't stick to the plot. He missed crucial parts and kind of went on a tangent. Read the book. Tony is Danny from the future.
@murrrrrzik7 ай бұрын
I just rewatched the Shining and as there were a few moments that escaped my attention first time but really puzzled me now I went looking for answers and found them here in this video. Those moments are who unlocked the storeroom and who hurt Danny in room 237. But once you understand who did it you clearly see also what was happening there in that hotel, the whole horrible story if the family. To add to the whole picture I'd like to share something I noticed in the film. Jack used to be a school teacher and, as he tells his employers at the beginning, he left his job to become something bigger, a writer. But later, in the conversation with Wendy, after he went to search the room 237 and when she tells him she wants them to leave the hotel, he says that in that case he would only be able to get a job in a car wash or a building site. So, teaching job was not a possibility for him anymore. Then, did he really just quit his job persueing his dream or was he simply fired without a chance to work as a teacher anymore? Thank you for your work and this video. I like seeing puzzles coming together. But the Shining just got way way scarier.
@deathchronicles69606 ай бұрын
Whenever i saw video of stephen king disliking the movie for multiple reason and especially his hatred of jack character never convince me enough.. And after many years i come to know that stephen son (joe) and danny (character) age are exactly 6 yrs old when the movie was made... One interesting thing there is abit of rumour saying stephen is a pedo.. I guess kubrick intentionally did all this red flag for someone to feel shameful
@jamesoblivion4 жыл бұрын
It seems clear enough to me from Nicholson's performance, especially in the scene between Jack and Danny on the bed, that Nicholson himself absolutely believed Jack was about the molest Danny. You can see it in his eyes, hear it in his voice.
@StopFear6 жыл бұрын
I am not sure I am convinced that the pillow bear's eyes were trimmed. It looks like we are looking at the lower half of the circular eye that is bent toward the center so to us it looks like it is cut, but it is just bent inward with us facing the edge.
@DavidMartin-lj8yj5 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@PerpetualArt5 жыл бұрын
Definitely. I don't think they really look different at all.
@eyelessartist59635 жыл бұрын
alot of the evidence in this video seems rather reaching, we already know that Jack has abused Danny in the past but im not sold on sexual abuse. at least not based on the evidence shown in this video.
@monkeynt57805 жыл бұрын
Ironfukr 9 Some of the points he made were interesting, but when he started saying important scenes in the movie were dream sequences, I started to think it was a little ridiculous. Also I'm pretty sure it's a dog costume in the movie too. Bears don't have jowls like that.
@robby74995 жыл бұрын
@dandagod official The book is vastly different from the Kubrick version. You cannot use it for an explanation.
@contentdaddy64675 жыл бұрын
...reaching lol? The devil is in the details. I think this video does an excellent job of laying that out. I’m unsure of what video you watched.
@67marlins815 жыл бұрын
@@contentdaddy6467 The one where no sexual abuse is shown.
@contentdaddy64675 жыл бұрын
67marlins wow...bc it has to be shown in a film for it to have happened in the world of a film...I’m going to be frank with you, this isn’t for you. Why did you even bother watching this video bc you don’t understand subtext or film criticism at all. 100% flex and I give no shits, I studied film criticism (I have a degree in it) and...I again am going to strongly urge you watch something else bc this isn’t for you.
@TT-wx4tg Жыл бұрын
I noticed Kubrick used the color green as a cue to this theory; the shower curtain when Danny is brushing his teeth and has his episode. Out of place green hallway in the corridors outside the kitchen where Danny is riding his big wheel before he sees the twins, before room 237 there are double doors with small windows like lurking green eyes watching Danny, then of course all out green in the bathroom of room 237, and the doorway in the bear scene is framed in a shade of green and there is a green hue to the wallpaper in the bear room.
@zachmorley1584 жыл бұрын
This interpretation is absolutely correct. Look at Kubrick’s other work: Lolita and Eyes Wide shut. Kubrick was a Hollywood insider. He knew what was up.
@sniffles35854 жыл бұрын
Zach Morley Think he was in on it?
@engagementengagement88364 жыл бұрын
Sniffles no
@jamesoblivion4 жыл бұрын
Because pedophila only exists in Hollywood, and not everywhere else. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Whatever helps you sleep.
@zachmorley1584 жыл бұрын
Sniffles Difficult to say. He was apparently friends with Steven Spielberg whom I believe has had many accusations made in his direction and may have been on Epstein’s island (fact check this). Kubrick did invest in bullion. His movies are also all concerned with things that are hidden, state power, dominance, etc.
@maxfr1424 жыл бұрын
James O'Blivion He never said it doesn’t happen everywhere else. It happens everywhere! He’s just drawing the conclusion back to Hollywood rings🤏🏼
@MPM.Mikus.P.5 жыл бұрын
The "T" face in The Shining is allegedly Tony, Dannys imaginary friend.
@JudeBoi13135 жыл бұрын
Travis B The face you can see I the shining posters
@JohnSmith-kz8yo5 жыл бұрын
I've always thought it looked like am alien...
@PetePuebla5 жыл бұрын
Tony is another character with the Shine.
@jimhuber5 жыл бұрын
@@PetePuebla Oh wow, he's a living person somewhere else communicating with (and controlling) Danny? Didn't even think of that. I had heard that he was an older Danny, which is pretty close to that concept.
@PetePuebla5 жыл бұрын
@@jimhuber yeah according to the book that Tony is actually Danny from the future. So in essence Tony is another character with the shine ability. It's himself from the future.
@simonfrisk34514 жыл бұрын
"You're scared of room 237, ain't you?" Hallorann was sexually abused by his father.
@andreipop58054 жыл бұрын
How did you came up with this conclusion?
@kiraaisling96034 жыл бұрын
Simon Frisk Grandfather
@kiraaisling96034 жыл бұрын
Cineva It was in the Doctor Sleep book
@simonfrisk34514 жыл бұрын
Kira Aisling oh yes, you’re right!!
@andreipop58054 жыл бұрын
@@kiraaisling9603 oh
@naly2022 жыл бұрын
This explains a lot: 1) why Jack Nicholson whom i love in most of his roles, here makes me uneasy. 2) why he mentions "sperm bank" in the conversation with the bartender. That bit seemed so weirdly placed, especially when discussing your wife and how much uou love your kid. 3) Tony's appearance in Danny's mind and why to me that's one of the most disturbing bits of the movie. 4) what does the black man see in his vision as he is lying in bed. He must have seen smth terrifying /disgusting enough to make him anxious for the child's safety. 5) why Wendy is SO freaked out when she sees the manuscript "all work and no play" and when she sees the bear costume scene. I mean, yea, it's a bit disturbing, especially since there shouldnt be anyone else in the hotel, BUT Wendy's reaction is way too intense. I think she suspected smth from the start, but wasnt sure. Maybe she even saw them in a door frame and only now realised what it was... 6) why the author hated the movie so much. He said "it hurts people". Compared to other horror movies, Shining is quite tame in visuals, BUT the it has a sort of atmosphere that freaks you out more than any gory scene.
@BlackAlbino20004 жыл бұрын
Kubrick was an extreme perfectionist, every single shot is equally important to the script and heavily influences the watcher’s vision
@faraazalarakhia41313 жыл бұрын
@Kenji Polk Audio Just watched it for the second time with my brother a dad yesterday. It was even more enjoyable than the first time watching alone. It's a masterpiece to me.
@yoosh90343 жыл бұрын
@Kenji Polk Audio Counter point: your opinion is hot garbage
@alessandrob7002 жыл бұрын
@Kenji Polk Audio you're an idiot. I don't have anything else to say
@sydssolanumsamsys2 жыл бұрын
@@faraazalarakhia4131 its a great movie but Kubrick was very sloppy. he wasnt nearly as detail-obsessed as people think, he just had impossibly high standards for his actors. ffs, the intro has the helicopter shadow.
@justink95794 жыл бұрын
The hotel Stephen King, that inspired his novel, was the Stanley Hotel in Estes Park. The owner, F.O. Stanley had a gimmick for first time visitors in which they and the driver of the Stanley Steamer would encounter a bear on their drive down the canyon. The bear would then charge the vehicle and the driver would pull out a gun a shoot it. The bear was actually a man dressed in a bear costume to prank the visitors. Just wanted to throw that out there... this scene could have been a disturbing nod to that bear character and someone at the Stanley Hotel.
@fermentedpenny52643 жыл бұрын
I noticed that when he was brushing his teeth there is the number 42 on Danny’s shirt, and when Wendy and Danny are watching a movie it’s The Summer of ‘42 which is about a boy that has sex with an older widow. That’s me grasping at straws here and trying to seem smart lol, but I thought that was a weird coincidence. Great video, definitely makes the movie even creepier!
@Trenz02 жыл бұрын
Knowing Kubrick, that was an intentional parallel so good eye!
@fermentedpenny52642 жыл бұрын
@@Trenz0 thank you! I’m sure that was already explained in some other video 😂
@헤드-d6v Жыл бұрын
u r a genius! what a great catch
@fermentedpenny5264 Жыл бұрын
@Daniel RN there are no coincidences with Kubrick, so could be! 😂 great observation!
@Nefarious-es8tf8 күн бұрын
On top of that if you multiply the numbers 2,3,and 7 together you get the number 42 which in turn ties room 237 to that as well.
@erikandrus43872 жыл бұрын
I never picked up on sexual abuse... abuse yes, but sexual - I didn't, and I find the reactions here interesting. This was a very compelling theory. Last night in Milwaukee, I went and saw a 35mm copy of "The Shining", the whole time I was like - there's the bear pillow and I was like, wait there's a bear costume towards the end of the denouement. I thought it was foreshadowing, but I am loving the more nuanced comments showing up.
@BCJ19854 жыл бұрын
Given that Danny is wearing the same (now ripped) apollo jumper when he wonders into the Colorado lounge, I doubt entering room 237 was a dream sequence. The assault cannot have taken place in the fatherly love scene given that he's wearing different clothes.
@PC-tc5ie3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. It wasn’t a dream sequence. This guy is just reaching for things that aren’t there on a lot of his points in the video.
@stupendous78483 жыл бұрын
@@PC-tc5ie They are literally there, he shows them. That’s not a reach by any means. It could be a dream, or it could be real. In no way is that an unreasonable question when studying a psychological horror film. All your comments are fucking stupid.
@CCCoolati3 жыл бұрын
@@stupendous7848 Dude. Just read the book. You'll find out that a lot of these deep theories about Kubrick's movie are literally him just adapting the book. For instance. That is not a man in a bear costume. It's a dog costume. That man he's going down on is the ghost of a malevolent Harvey Weinstein type Hollywood Producer that used to frequent the hotel that was a sexual deviant. In the book, that ghost getting a blow job is kind of the most malevolent ghost of the lot. The man in the DOG costume is merely somone that has been snaired into his ring of sexual deviancy. The dog costumed man is also the same ghost as the man that says "Great Party Isnt it?". Just read the book. It's not as good as the movie in my opinion... and very different. But it explains tons of vague parts of the movie.
@christalcavanaugh3 жыл бұрын
@@CCCoolati ah yes because movies never change anything 😒
@CCCoolati3 жыл бұрын
@@christalcavanaugh I’m aware that they do. Just read the book and you’ll understand what I’m saying. All these theories are thrown about by people that never read the book.
@zackeryrogers71105 жыл бұрын
Just gonna put my two scents in: That bears eyes dont look trimmed, I think the fabric was just bent upwards because its loose fabric around the bears eyes, you can see the fold of the fabric at the bottom of the eye, Not that this really has any effect on what you're saying, just pointing out an observation
@DumasP5 жыл бұрын
he compares it to the exact same stuffed animal as it was in the catalog, so perhaps not trimmed but definitely not the same as it was on the shelves
@YaoEspirito4 жыл бұрын
Two scents? How about jasmine and thyme?
@Jdizzle69694 жыл бұрын
Scents? You lost me in your 1st sentence, boomer.
@plamondonworks69484 жыл бұрын
Its interesting to me how adamantly people refuse to think this movie could be about sexual abuse. It's like people cannot handle it or something. I'm not sure if I'm 100% on board with your theory, but I do think it would be an interesting and rich way to explore sexual abuse
@jaredlikesmusic4 жыл бұрын
I hear you! I think people just draw more from the book or something? Like, they take the movie at face value and as a sort of copy of the book, and since it's very much not a theme in the book they don't like it because it's technically not true for the original story.
@stephaniemc99484 жыл бұрын
Plamondon Comics I agree. I don’t see it in the book but I do in the movie. Makes sense because Jack did break Danny’s arm and he’s already emotionally abusive.
@griffins7504 жыл бұрын
Yeah it seems like a bit of a stretch but it’s still interesting to contemplate
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr28234 жыл бұрын
@@stephaniemc9948 They don't normally correlate, tho...
@scottbaker45344 жыл бұрын
Given how ubiquitous the subject of child sexual abuse or harassment is in King's novels, it's not a stretch to think the whole film could be dealing with the subject more-or-less metaphorically. Has anyone asked King?
@ghostrider26642 жыл бұрын
Every time I watch it, I find something new. This movie is literally the gift that keeps on giving. Absolutely incredible.
@Ardepark4 жыл бұрын
"in this marketing poster for the film note that the face within the lettering looks both like a child and like a teddy bear." ...Umm...no??
@Mario_N643 жыл бұрын
I don't see it either.
@rexventura46033 жыл бұрын
If you squint and cross your eyes while drunk you’ll see it
@FTJGamingandTrading3 жыл бұрын
Looks more like 8=D probably done that way purposely.
@sarah80594 жыл бұрын
The bear guy always was and still is the scariest part of the movie to me. Seeing the thumbnail in my recommended caught me off guard and startled me. There's something that is so terrifying to me about the way he looks. I actually have a similar reaction to Peaches in Creep. Lol maybe I'm just scared of furries.
@jcepri2 жыл бұрын
The first thing I thought when I saw the bear scene was that it was kink. Now, I believe the scary part is the juxtaposition of a childish costume combined with kink, especially homosexuality. Homosexual acts were rarely depicted in mainstream films in this era...the early '80s. Bears are also a thing in the gay community - referring to larger men who are hairy and enjoy other men being hairy.
@vmgx5 жыл бұрын
let me not watch the eyes wide shut video, really don't wanna see stuff relating to sexual predators right now, let me switch to this shining video ah
@lukejames23915 жыл бұрын
I watched that one aswell, very disturbing
@fastestfirehawk20115 жыл бұрын
As a boy who HAS been abused, on different levels, as we all, let's get real here, not cop out, for your fear, but speed humanity BACK into humanity, where it should be: the trees, beautiful animals, which means ALL animals, do not be a fatuous fool and a drunk. Align with God. The ineffable. The almighty. You know. We ALL know now. ....no more lost! But found........in beauty, love and within and under,the tree of God.
@TheAlmightyJello5 жыл бұрын
@@fastestfirehawk2011 Sorry, but what?
@defaultusername1235 жыл бұрын
fastestfirehawk2011 you should help Stephen King write a new book u freaky Dutch bastard