The Shipwreck of the SS Edmund Fitzgerald The Final Chapter 1995

[@titanicfilmsbymark]

I hope that you enjoy the film and thank you for watching. Please subscribe, like, and comment. Please check out my Dailymotion Channel at www.dailymotion.com/TitanicDocsbyMark God bless you and Blessings Mark.

[@timhunt1482]

Of course I'm going to enjoy and I thank you for your work you're one awesome guy

[@timhunt1482]

Just don't go out on a boat in November the the gales of November remember thank you my brother for the cool videos here

[@insertnamehere313]

The Fitz is my most studied wreck...the Titanic is second..I'm a Michigander and the Fitz runs deep in my blood and I had a chance to do two interviews with Captain Cooper in 1991 1992.

[@scott1914]

It takes a very powerful storm to sink a 729 footer. Listen to how Captain Cooper describes how wild Lake Superior was that night. He was very nervous about turning about in that storm to go look for his friend. His crew had life vests on, wondering if the Anderson would stay afloat. Captain Cooper made the tough decision to turn about and go look for his friend, only to find a few items from the legendary Fitz. A strong leader was Captain Cooper.

[@tew-dawg9671]

When you're afraid, and you do it anyway. Thats courage!

[@johnnersinger9771]

Don Erickson too,of the William clay Ford

[@joeljenkins2876]

​@@tew-dawg9671this is the PERFECT DEFINITION of the word courage!!!

[@norml.hugh-mann]

A single bad 1/4ball valve can sink a ship..or even a decimal error by the designers. It was thinking like that responsible for most disasters at sea. The fact that other ships survived should be evidence that other problems actually sunk her be they caused as a result of the weather or maintenance or age...but it was not the storm alone

[@penelopejoann]

Excellent compilation of the varying aspects of this tragedy. Very thoughtful and moving.

[@koryerickson1208]

RIP to the 29 souls on board the Edmund Fitzgerald, and also Gordon Lightfoot.

[@charlesbosse9669]

Marks videos are always good. I've seen many on the Edmund Fitzgerald and I'm watching this one now. When I was a kid, I just thought it was a cool song by Gordon Lightfoot. Then I was really listening to it and it occurred to me it was a real story, very well written in the song.

[@titanicfilmsbymark]

Thank you Charles

[@davidpallin772]

A November storm of horrific proportions, it all boils down to this, “If Lake Superior wants you dead, you’re dead.”

[@mrs6968]

I never realized how violent that wreck was like woah devastating

[@nancyadcock4899]

I live in Michigan, and most people don’t realize how dangerous the Great Lakes can be. They’re so big they are actually inland seas. This was an awful tragedy, many theories but nothing conclusive since no one survived 😢

[@williamboorn2097]

Great lakes r storm magnets in the best of yrs like the 78 blizzard I rode out in grand rapids

[@ericnelson966]

This is excellent! I wish youtube had more stuff like this.

[@williamboorn2097]

hard to believe this sucker was so long it hit bottom and was still half outta the water IN LAKE SUPERIOR!

[@isaackodowd9761]

The Fitz never stuck out of lake superior she was taken down with the rogue wave

[@northlander4370]

superior has deeper areas

[@melaniecarver5719]

This was a very interesting documentary. I would just like to say, though, that I was concerned for that gentleman while he was expressing his theory. I was really afraid he was going to keel over, poor thing.

[@nagone11]

I also got the sense he was kind of pissed..

[@atomicwedgie8176]

@@nagone11 We all should be! They grounded and it caused a coverup to screw the families out of an insurance pay out. The Fitz is the only shipwreck not allowed to be dived upon/near in the Great Lakes.

[@atomicwedgie8176]

@@thegreatone11 No need to call me sir, I was enlisted, Oohrah. lol

[@melaniecarver5719]

@@thegreatone11 NCOs don't get called sir. At least they didn't in the AF.

[@melaniecarver5719]

@@thegreatone11 Ah, missed it by that much lol

[@bianca4210]

I’m really happy you keep posting these

[@thebandit666]

I could listen to these fine gents talk anytime about any ship, but especially the Fitzgerald. It sank on my Mom's 36th birthday.😢

[@ernieschatz3783]

Full stop. Friends don't let friends try to sing Gordon Lightfoot's song. Just say no!

[@Marc_Davila]

But who sings it?, i like they’re guitar technique

[@american_cosmic]

Thank you for uploading this amazing video!

[@canadianbacon8220]

This was incredible thank you so much ❤️

[@Howoldareweanywayyipes]

wow... a sad tale... thank you sir... oldster74 here wyoming, michigan.

[@whocrusader5179]

0:02 by Lee Murdock

[@whataboutrob442]

We need a movie about this.

[@jasonduke3608]

I'd be for it if there was a way that they could not show the crew die when the ship went down. I went to the same academy that David Wiess went to and talked to a teacher that knew him. The things he told me about how he thinks the crew died really haunted me. The bow crew obviously went the fastest, the stern crew might have lived for a few minutes due to air pockets. I can't imagine how horrible dying like that could have been. Those men died horribly. That part should not be shown in a movie, other than that a movie should be made.

[@timhunt1482]

I am studying Maritime shipwrecks there's a million men in Lake Michigan you are one cool guy I love to work you're doing thank you and keep off it please I love you

[@semperparatus678]

As a 25+ years at sea Mariner, this hits me close.

[@tomcatyyz]

Love this presentation. It made the news all the way to my little hometown in PA...

[@ruthferry7047]

This is an excellent video. The bell ringing brought me to tears.

[@johnkostreva4817]

Feel bad for those kids! Horrible way to go. Feel for the families too. Just standing in Lake Superior my feet started to hurt after maybe 30 seconds cause it’s so cold

[@norml.hugh-mann]

There have been man6 hipwrecks on the Lakes with much more time for suffering...the white hurricane revealed several lifeboats adrift wirh occupants frozen solid as well...I think the crew of the Fitz died relatively quickly by drowning..not to minimize that horror..but mercifully they at least they likely didn't suffer in it for hours before dying

[@mrneon7745]

The Paul Hainault presentation makes a lot of sense and a lot of new details to look into, and perhaps not shown previous. All accounts locate only 2 pieces of the EF on the bottom? Am I missing something?

[@ernhrdthero]

Thank you for posting I have been looking for Dr. Paul Hainault theory for a long time.

[@timhunt1482]

What a great deduction you have you are pointing out a lot right stuff

[@rocket8351]

I was told the front 3 hatch covers are in the ship and they were designed to handle the weight of 4 feet of water. I was also told the Anderson had waves over the stern that almost covered the funnel. I currently believe the waves coming over the sten piled up behind the wheelhouse collapsing the front hatches and sending her to the bottom imediately, before any action can be, taken. I don't believe she could have broken on the surface without a mayday call being made.

[@williammitchell4417]

What I'm wondering, if the stern broke first, I'm thinking that the ship would lose power quickly. Hence why no Mayday.

[@rocket8351]

@@williammitchell4417 I believe there was a battery backup for the radio. This is why I think the bow doesn't emerge from the water with enough time for the wheel house to react.

[@dknowles60]

@@williammitchell4417 the Radios in the front Batteries back up

[@friendofbillyc9183]

@@williammitchell4417 all 4 radios on the bridge of the Fitz had battery backup

[@williammitchell4417]

@@friendofbillyc9183 as you scroll through the responses (I'm guilty of it as well) rocket8351 said the same thing months ago.😎 I also like to see videos from Ryan and USS New Jersey. Obviously a warship would have redundant systems but not necessarily aboard "civilian" ships.

[@TruthNTime]

Dr. Paul Hainault (the old guy talking really fast) is the one to believe folks. I did some research into who he was after watching this and DAMN! Dr. Hainault has more experience and qualifications under his belt than all the other investigators combined period. Mark was sooo lucky to get this interview from him! Besides this interview there is hardly any video or audio for that matter of him giving his theory on how The Fitz sank. I found no other video of him going so in depth about the sinking period, there were only bits that were taken from this interview. And I only found 4 audio tapes from Dr. Hainault(2 about the Fitz). Folks, there's a reason why that's the case. He was blacklisted and actively silenced by the establishment when in his retirement he wrote books and gave many talks about the sinking of the Fitz. But the reason he was kept of of the Limelight was because he was too knowledgeable in his field of study and if his theory was made known to the masses their would have been a different finding in the cause of the sinking! Here's a short list of Dr. Paul Hainault's qualifications: Professor Paul Edmund Hainault - Professor of Mechanical Engineering 1. Paul graduated from Lake Linden-Hubbell High School in 1938 and from Michigan College of Mining and Technology in 1942 with a degree in metallurgy. 2. He received his diploma and commission on the same day. As a lieutenant in the United States Army Corps of Engineers, Paul constructed roads and bridges behind the front lines of advancing Allied Forces. 3. Paul worked for USF&G as a safety engineer in Baltimore, Kansas City and Chicago. In 1951, he began his teaching career at MTU from which he retired in 1988. Dr. Hainault also wrote a book about the Fitz titled: "All About the Singing Of The Sirens That Sank The Fitz" RIP Paul... 16 Nov 1920 - 25 Jun 2011 (aged 90)

[@Stereostupid]

Paul is a genius you can tell!he really put deep work into his theory and it's literally the one that makes the most sense by far he's super smart!

[@sensemaya1]

I would like to read Dr Hainault's book but unfortunately it's not available here in the UK.

[@gregorylyon1004]

He does have some good and very valid points on this sinking

[@stevennardone2770]

Simply Awesome

[@stynger007]

One of the best explanations, there are many.. 3 cargo holds vs 5 on the Anderson. Structural issue? RIP all that found their end this way. Narrator near end mentioned 500 feet, She was 729 one foot under the ability of the Soo locks at the time to accommodate.

[@machbaby]

I still don't believe the Fitz broke up on the surface. The stern and bow sections are too close together. It took a nosedive, and slammed into the bottom. The unsupported middle of the hull broke apart because the boat was longer than the depth of water she sank in. I do agree that the Fitz grounded, flooding her ballast tanks and possibly the cargo hold. Rest in peace.

[@mattm2687]

Bernie cooper said he was hit by a couple of waves that where so big it almost cause the ship (Author M Anderson) to flip on her side

[@mattm2687]

I honestly think the best theory is he bottomed out on caribou island after loosing his radars and even captain cooper with the anderson said he got way to close to that island and after he cleared it. They reported their fence rails where down, ship had started a list and they where bailing water from the cargo hold

[@Bxtskul1l]

The Codger's theory makes sense, except they would have had time to make a distress call. More likely a wave buried the bow.

[@mattm2687]

Yeap. From the grounding near caribou island to taking on water to taking waves in the stern that the Andersen reported almost capsized her would have pushed her in down due to loss of buoyancy and her screw still spinning at full power would push the stern down and break her in half

[@richwicklund304]

Got agree with the doctor makes most sense of all the stories

[@williamboorn2097]

this is the 2nd edmund fitzgerald to sink,1st one was lake erie in 1800s

[@nagone11]

What I find most interesting about this video is that the idea of a cover up on what truly happened is possibly still yet uncovered. If this is true as was said here, something as terrible as this shipwreck can happen again. If preventable, this type of tragedy should never happen again..

[@jasonduke3608]

There is a channel called 'history mystery man' and he interviews a guy who's uncle was on the Fitzgerald. I dont remember who. But he believes the real reason why you cant dive the wreck is because the insurance company doesn't want to pay the family's because they know the ship was in poor condition. This guy seems like he knows alot about the Fitzgerald. He had alot of interesting things to say that I've never heard before.

[@nagone11]

@@jasonduke3608 None of this would surprise me..

[@jasonduke3608]

@@nagone11 I was more shocked than surprised. I'm a truck driver and we do get pushed to get the load delivered but I have never sacrificed saftey for a load. I got fired from a company because I wouldn't deliver the load because it was unsafe. I was blown away when I heard about how bad the Fitzgerald was in disrepair. Heck of a way to treat your flagship. The ships cook had some stuff to say about Mcsorley. He ran the ship and crew hard, said the cook

[@nagone11]

@@jasonduke3608 Profits were the bottom line, not safety...sorry to say.

[@friendofbillyc9183]

@@jasonduke3608 no...the family's caused a big fuss....All the players in this are dead.. ..they don't want people diving it because it's in 580 feet of water also

[@howtosober]

A nosedive by the bow sounds like the only way this could have happened. Another documentary I watched spoke about how taconite ore is dangerously absorbent to water, absorbing 8 to 9 times its weight in water volume. It makes no sense that any Great Lakes mariners or captain that routinely transported taconite ore during that time of year, which was notorious for ship-sinking storms, would risk leaving hatches open upon departure- especially because Capts. McSorley and Cooper already knew they were headed into heavy storms at the time they left. There's a reason "batten down the hatches" is an expression. I don't discount the 'running aground' theory entirely, but I'm skeptical, especially since in Cooper's sworn testimony he said that the Fitz had cleared the shoals. Unless the ship's hull was in really bad condition and there was water leakage more rapid than what was initially described, I don't see how that could have been the only cause. I don't know how the Three Sisters ended up being discounted so quickly in some theories. It wouldn't take flooding the hatches for a rogue wave, especially a series of them, to sink a ship. It's also the only thing that explains why all 29 sailors were trapped on the ship and they never issued a distress call. Nothing else can take a ship down that quickly. The only alternative is that water got into the cargo hold another way, the taconite increased in volume rapidly as it all shifted forward or to one side, and the Fitz didn't stand a chance. If she caught one or more rogue waves from the front, that would have been enough to shift all the iron to the bow by itself. It's notable, however, that divers to the wreck report that two of the hatches were buckled inward, implying a huge downward force onto them at some point, and resultant leakage. Mike TenEyk said in an interview that it wouldn't take rogue-sized waves to cause that buckling or leakage, just the 30-ft waves constantly battering the ship may have been enough. It may be my cynicism about corporate oligarchy and the lengths they will go to for profit, but I've privately wondered if the Fitz wasn't deployed in rough conditions, with dangerous cargo, after years of possibly poor maintenance (according to some accounts), with the hope for a big insurance payout on a ship whose bankers and corporate backers knew was likely to sink. It wouldn't be the first time something like this was done. If the ship was indeed getting older and in need of more moneyed repairs, I think it's highly plausible. Sadly, I also think it's plausible that McSorley's "We're holding our own" might have been due to knowing they were utterly screwed and didn't want Cooper to take the risk of the Anderson and its crew coming back for them when he knew there was nothing anyone could do to save the Fitz. As an aside, it drives me crazy that everyone in that region insists on pronouncing Sault Sainte Marie wrong. It's not hard to say "Saul," and it is a French name, after all.

[@jonbonesmahomes7472]

I also think Mcsorley knew he stood no chance..

[@christinagowan8116]

I've always heard it pronounced Soo Saint Marie, I'm from Michigan close to the Indiana state line.

[@jessecovington6639]

They're so many cover-ups in this I know why this man's voice sounds the way it does as if there's desperation in it

[@atomicwedgie8176]

The coverup was to prevent paying out insurance money to the families. That's why the Fitz is the ONLY wreck in the Great Lakes, off limits to diving.

[@jessecovington6639]

@@atomicwedgie8176 yes u are correct glad I'm not the only one who knows

[@zachhoward9099]

@@atomicwedgie8176 I always thought that somewhat odd considering other similar design steamers like the Daniel J Morrell and Carl D Bradley that while not losing all hands lost nearly all hands yet you’re allowed to dive on those. I assumed that it was either the pure depth made a dive there incredibly dangerous even for highly experienced technical divers or that the bodies of the crew are in a pretty easily accessible place or were discovered early on despite official statements of no one seeing any bodies until the lone crewman laying just off the bow was discovered in 1994 and somehow the authorities thought it would became some macabre tourist diving jaunt adding more to the first point of the Fitz being already at a highly dangerous depth. But watching this and you mentioning a cover up makes you wonder

[@atomicwedgie8176]

@@zachhoward9099 There's another wreck that you can dive on that has a body but is not off limits to the public...can't remember the name or if it became unsafe to enter the wreck. They want to keep cameras away from the Fitz and hide the truth.

[@georgehays4900]

Here’s my theory. It was a damn big storm.

[@sreed8570]

If you see the shoreline of the lakes during even mild storms you'd swear you were looking at an ocean beach the way the wave's roll and break on the shore.

[@MrFargo1001]

The most famous last words in Maritime history, " We're holding our own."

[@robertmielke3380]

In looking at the wreckage I just don't see 3 sections.

[@jimboslice9472]

Its been many years since the sinking but I believe that if they could find the blackbox it could all be better explained.

[@casaflyr]

He's showing 3 main pieces of wreckage, in all accounts, photos, and models, I've only seen two main pieces, the fore section resting upright, and the aft section resting inverted.

[@johnhurd6243]

If measured the two parts are roughly 530 feet of ship. The mid section disintegrated .

[@tomcatyyz]

Right. The Fitz was 729 feet long...

[@gregorylyon1004]

This man claims that the missing 200 foot piece is buried under the taconite pellets

[@sc1338]

Yea his theory isn’t that great honestly

[@LadyOaksNZ]

Very informative and interesting. 💯

[@Go_for_it652]

The Coast Guard allowed a summer draft of 3 feet lower in the winter season. With the lost of the E.F the winter draft was raised by 3 feet . All the best . The storm stopped over the area and as a result possible damage to the bottom .

[@veggieoilerfan2940]

I don’t agree with Paul Hainault’s theory that the Fitz bottomed out on Superior Shoal. That shoal was a significant distance away from Caribou Island. Captain McSorley reported that he had damage to the vessel after passing by Caribou Island. If the Superior Shoal theory would have been correct, wouldn’t the damage have immediately become apparent?

[@gregorylyon1004]

I believe that the Fitzgerald bottomed out somewhere out there. I myself believe that it was Hogging about dead center of the hull. That's why he had a fence rail down and it explains the missing vent caps. When you blow a vent cap outward, you got major air escaping from within the ship. So air is being expelled means major water filling up the void. He hit bottom somewhere

[@veggieoilerfan2940]

⁠​⁠@@gregorylyon1004I also think that the Fitz bottomed out somewhere. I just don’t think it was on Superior Shoal. I think it bottomed out near Caribou Island since Captain McSorley reported the damage after passing through that area.

[@gregorylyon1004]

@@veggieoilerfan2940 He bottomed out somewhere either when he made the turn or after that.

[@RomeroTV]

Dope

[@friendofbillyc9183]

There are a few things this gentleman doesn't seem to know ...The reason the Fitz lost time to the storm and allowed the Anderson to catch up is covered other places....The Fitz slowed down because she was working too hard. Also he thinks that in a storm a greatlakes freighter works enough that the rear superstructure disapears....the only way a ship would flex that much is if it were broken in two.......His theory also doesn't explain lack of a mayday call.....All of the radios in the pilot house had battery backup....somebody would have gotten a mayday off...

[@TheKyleCostello]

I still believe that she went noise down into the mud from the rear

[@Brodie--lw6eb]

Yeah, it could be both. She could have had a breach in the hull from the grounding and as a result loss of buoyancy and a list. Then she gets hit by a rogue wave, show’s over.

[@johnnersinger9771]

@@insertnamehere313 the evidence of bottoming out is right there.

[@friendofbillyc9183]

@@johnnersinger9771 not really....also the fact that they never got off a mayday means they had no time to do anything...if Mcsorley ripped a 200 foot gash in that boat in a storm like that and was trying to run her aground north of otterhead light he would damn sure have been on the radio....He was going to whitefish but plunged...That's why nothing is square anymore on her and is all beat to hell...She slammed the bottom....Any other scenario somebody in the pilot house would have called a mayday....those radios all had battery backup...

[@johnnersinger9771]

@@friendofbillyc9183 I don't know any captain that would want to admit that they destroyed an 8 million dollar ship because of carelessness.

[@friendofbillyc9183]

@@johnnersinger9771 John if your scenario is true he was running the boat to beach it because it was going to sink you know the cat was going to be out of the bag that he ran it aground...As you know that boat had been run hard and pretty much nobody was really comfortable with how much she was working in big weather anymore they always had to back down you know to half speed and whatnot just to keep the thing from you know scaring the hell out of everybody. What I think is it opened up a pretty serious stress fracture one that the pumps couldn't keep up with but that mcsorley still thought he could make white fish cuz he they found the boat right on 141 I think that if he had hurt the boat as bad as you claim he he would have been his duty to be on the radio calling a Mayday if you're in such a bad way that you're willing to run a $730-ft freighter ground that's desperate that means that means you're just trying to save lives you know your Professional Pride would be very much secondary and this guy wasn't a master of one of those vessels of the vessel If he if he didn't have the ability to just do what needed to be done including getting on the radio and calling a mayday.

[@friendofbillyc9183]

It would seem to me that the rudder was 15 degrees off was because theport side of the boat was taking winds of 45 to 50 mph...you'd have to steer into that...

[@butchknouse8316]

Who is committing that remake of the song?

[@Marc_Davila]

I’d also like to know

[@williamboorn2097]

dont forget there was a lighting squadron F-38 that went missing over sault st marie in the 50s chasing a ufo

[@craigpelley683]

where did he get the photo of the grounding evidence ?? it's pretty clear to see what happened

[@Brodie--lw6eb]

The grounding theory absolutely “holds water”. However, don’t you think someone would have reported water coming in? Hence McSorley subsequently reports to Cooper that “we have water coming in” or something to that effect?

[@scottpuryear2810]

He told cap.cooper of the Anderson he was taking on water Cooper ask mcsorley did he have on his pumps yes he said but it's not making any headway I know the comment is late in case you still didn't know watch the special on the discovery channel

[@williamboorn2097]

30ft waves in 30ft water?

[@scottpuryear2810]

No your theory should be 30 inch waves in 30 foot water possible

[@gregorylyon1004]

Mc Sorely said that he had both of his pumps running. So he definitely knew that he had a leak somewhere. Those pumps handle 32 thousand gallons per minute. He had a major leak

[@isaackodowd9761]

Nobody states that the Fitz was overloaded and they consistently sailed her in this condition Nobody mentions that she had been involved in two minor mishaps and should have been put in drydock for the winter Further to that she had been inspected by the coast guard sometime in the last week of October Now mcsorely told Cooper he developed a list and that he had his pumps on because there was water coming in from some where perhaps a Crack in the hull Once those Taconite pellets get wet they get heavy so 26 becomes 48 and with that storm winds as strong as they were SHE NEVER HAD A CHANCE THIS WRECK COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED This is fact look it up she never bottomed out because she would have sank in a heartbeat

[@gregorylyon1004]

You are right about a couple of things. The Fitzgerald never had a chance. And that this accident could have been prevented 100 percent. What in the name of Christ were The Fitzgerald and the Anderson doing clear out on the middle of the lake in a storm?? What fools. When everything started going wrong, Mc Sorely had nowhere to go except to the bottom of the lake. He should have went around Kewenaw point like smart captains do. Their were 2 other boats on the lake that were bigger than the Fitzgerald. They both hid behind Isle Royale till the storm ended. The whole sinking was a cover up

[@Charbear25]

RIP Gordon Lightfoot

[@craigpelley683]

30 years later we know alot better then what he's saying imo

[@erickay1158]

Paul “Edmund” Hairline is a goddamn LEGEND and my wife and I’s new idol! That voice quivering and throat clearing were epic!! 😂

[@timothybutler9859]

JUST BUTCHERED GORDON LIGHTFOOT'S CLASSIC 😢😢

[@recessional5560]

That old man needs to chill

[@friendofbillyc9183]

There are a few points here that don't add up....If Mcsorley hurt the boat bad enough to run for the beach north of otterhead light he would have called a mayday..... running for the beach is a desperation move you are well past wanting to save face with the rest of the boats and you are just not wanting to lose yours.... also in the photos I've seen of the boat lying on the bottom the third section the 200 and some odd feet is just disintegrated it didn't just fall out of the boat on the surface again they would have called Mayday like there was going to be no tomorrow because that would have been big enough of a situation to call a mayday also all the radios in the Pilot House were on battery backup so even if the boat literally did break into they would have been able to get a radio call out so none of this adds up to me

[@gregorylyon1004]

That boat took a big wave. The bridge is smashed in. He already had major problems when the wave hit. I think that she went down head first and never returned. Once your under water you can't yell through a wet microphone mayday

[@AutoReport1]

You could probably get a definitive answer with computer simulation these days, if anyone wanted to spend the time inputting all the data.

[@peterj5106]

The old researcher guy who's saying that the ship flexes so much that you'd lose sight of the rear from the front! If it twisted that much you'd be worrying.

[@gregorylyon1004]

They have actually interviewed former deck hands from the Fitzgerald. Several of them said that the hull flexed a lot more than any other boat they had ever road on. And that tells me that the Fitzgerald had a weak hull. That boat was built by a company that had not built a boat in years. Then they all of the sudden had a standing order for 3 ships. The Fitzgerald was the first boat of the 3 built there. In other words, I think that they used rusty steel gerters and hull plate left over from past builds. That explains why this particular boat had so much hull flex. She was weak to begin with right at construction.

[@jamesmichaelis1483]

Nice job butchering a great song......well done, Great documentary though😀

[@SJKile]

Yet you don’t mention the real reason that this ship sunk was because they had a captain that took unnecessary risks that directly lead to the Fitzgerald sinking.

[@richwicklund304]

Also, a couple of things I heard one store that the middle 200 feet disintegrated how did it disintegrate I think it was covered up by the tail end of the boat and all those taconite pallets in front of the Stern yeah

[@waynerafferty1048]

I read a article that says 5 crew members remains were found outside the ship , am sorry if it was my relative i would want to bring the remains up and give them a proper funeral and resting place , not left lying in the dark and cold seabed, and not inside the hull with the other crew.

[@craigyoumans2578]

I'm not an expert but I feel the most logical answer is she did a nose dive to the bottom and the crew thought they were in a wave waiting to come out the back of the wave

[@zachhoward9099]

Would love to know the article, have never heard anything other than the lone crewman just off the bow being found

[@scottpuryear2810]

I agree we humans like to think it's proper to leave bodies isolated like that but how do we know their souls are freaking out being alone in the lake of doom

[@skunkape2]

What's the squeaky old guy so mad about ?

[@nothing-b2n]

Yup

[@markhwirth7718]

It comes down to big Buisnes! And moving an over loaded vessel ! There was plenty of reason to cancel the trip but big business made it go ! The right thing for the Captain to do would have been to Cancel the trip but old bad habit patterns sent him on his way ! He wouldn’t buck the system by saying it was unsafe ! Or he didn’t know it was unsafe ! It happens over and over in the marine , airlines , Railroads , ECT . My belief is Safety is no accident and you make your own luck in this life !

[@jeffmilroy9345]

Safety was just 9 miles back - why outrun the Anderson? The soo locks would be closed anyway. Running across six fathom shoal was bad enough. Making a run for safe harbor through the worst seas superior can serve up with a sinking ship and no radar was just plain nuts.

[@gregorylyon1004]

Captain Mc Sorely was nuts. He ran that boat like a dog. Rode hard and put away wet. He was out in the middle of the Lakes when he developed a list and broken fence rail and blown vents. There was nowhere to go but to the bottom of the lake at that point. I believe that Mc Sorely knew his ship was a goner.

[@jeffmilroy9345]

The Anderson and his inflatable life rafts were his only hope if a rogue wave hit or it broke in two. But he refused to slow down enough or allow anyone on deck to setup for the life raft. @@gregorylyon1004

[@hambam7533]

no one ever talks about where most of the men were when it sank for example would they have been in the back or the front section and yes it would depend on their job and how to you think most died were some trapped for a short while in the up side down part or do you think they died instanly

[@atomicwedgie8176]

They would have been dead before they hit bottom...intense pressure.

[@zachhoward9099]

Most likely knocked out being thrown violently about then drowned. I think it’s a huge reason they’ve never made a movie about it, the end was without a doubt absolutely horrifying

[@gregorylyon1004]

The bulk majority of the crews quarters are in a sealed section in the stern of the ship.

[@northlander4370]

this isnt Gordon Lightfioot singing !

[@zachhoward9099]

I’m sure it was a copyright issue

[@jumpingjeffflash9946]

why not dive to these shallow shoals they supposedly hit and see if there's paint transfer to the rocks or metal chunks and see if this guys theory has some cred.

[@atomicwedgie8176]

It was covered up by the Canadien government. Witnesses came forward but were ignored or threatened.

[@jerodrobinson4040]

Question, if there's only a Hand full of Shoal's that would Threaten the Fitz's, why not just send Diver's to each one? You would Certainly be able to tell if a Ship of Her Size Grounded out, even if it was Spring by the Time You looked..

[@gregorylyon1004]

This loss was a cover up by the boats leasers and the coast guard. The shoals had not been mapped since 1930. There maps were out of date when this happened. I believe that she bottomed out somewhere. It was somewhere when he turned south for whitefish. Everything was fine up to that point. Both of his radars were out. He should have went inshore or hid behind Isle Royale. Mc Sorely was a fool running his boat clear out in the middle of the lake for absolutely no reason. When things went wrong he had nowhere to go but to the bottom of the lake. Look at the course him and captain Cooper took. They were both fools. It just that Captain Cooper's boat had been lengthened the year before. And when they make a ship longer, they have to insure their work. Everything gets inspected. They literally cut the boat in half to do it. That's why the Anderson survived

[@jerodrobinson4040]

@@gregorylyon1004 Whether the Accident was avoidable or not I have to believe the Mortality Rate would have been much lower closer to the Shore. Maybe some of the Guys would have had a Chance, or maybe not I'm no expert. I tend to agree with the Theory that a Large Wave struck Them from behind lifting the Ship and running the Nose into the Bottom causing it to go Vertical and then Snap right in half..

[@gregorylyon1004]

@@jerodrobinson4040 That ship probably got hit by both waves. The bridge of the boat is smashed in right above the windows.

[@jeff6146]

Who's the queew singing this? Gordon Lightfoot sings this only!

[@zachhoward9099]

I’m sure it was a copyright issue, I doubt some small filmmaker could’ve afforded the royalty fee to include it

[@craigyoumans2578]

Rip all you men in the fitz your not forgotten

[@Blade247]

Why hasn't any scuba divers gone down there ?

[@johnnersinger9771]

You NEVER, EVER take a bell off a ship!

[@robbhahn8897]

Raise the Fitz!

[@josephfuller7008]

This is the best explanation and is the most likely way the Fitzgerald went down. I believe the Coast Guard got it all wrong and it seems suspicious.

[@gregorylyon1004]

It could have been a cover up. The public was pissed on why such a young ship went down with all hands in modern times

[@gregorylyon1004]

This man stated some very valid points on this sinking. And I do agree with several things he throws out there. The main thing is, I totally agree with him that this boat hit bottom out there on that voyage. In my opinion it was Hogging. I believe him that she hit bottom mid section of the boat. It was game over from there.

[@stargazer5784]

🐂💩

[@gsands1796]

I don't really see what the big mystery is. It was an old, horrible designed thing which was certainly past it's best which was in weather it shouldn't have been in. Weather it broke up or bottomed our is pretty much irrelevant I would say.

[@zachhoward9099]

No it wasn’t, it wasn’t even 20 years old. The Anderson, the boat trailing Fitzgerald is still sailing the Lakes today nearly 50 years later and she was about the same age as the Fitzgerald. Anyways if you don’t see what the big mystery is then why even watch?

[@jamesmichaelis1483]

Gordon Lightfoot has to be rolling in his grave😳😣

[@gregorylyon1004]

Why?? Gordon Lightfoot wrote a great song that made this ship the most famous ship in great lakes history. He didn't know all the facts in 1977. How many hit songs have you written??

[@jamesmichaelis1483]

@@gregorylyon1004 You're in serious need of a belly window

[@gregorylyon1004]

​@@jamesmichaelis1483Gordon Lightfoot wrote a song that brought much needed attention to the perils of great lakes shipping. I believe that he actually saved a lot of mariners. We haven't lost a single freighter since

[@northlander4370]

this video was out twenty years before lightfoot died ...whu would he be rolling in his grave ? , he already new about this .

[@davidmellick1947]

I think it was a food folk version

[@williamboorn2097]

um, foam isnt steel?

[@cedrickt.814]

I'm putting my money on this guy I think he is right all the way he is making it make sense. 😉

[@sonnyspawn4435]

If that’s what happened they would of may dayed

[@jamesmcnaughton5092]

Can anyone who watched this video speak proper English ?

[@hawklord25]

Everything except the ship itself is to blame for the sinking, right? Never mind that the idea of a long ship, long and narrow, is build around the port and locks infrastructure, so that the long ship can carry lots of cargo but still fit into the great lakes maritime infrastructure, the long and narrow and lengthy design of this style of ship is poor at best, fueled by money and greed, disregarding the safety of the people who operate it, but we can’t talk about this because it’s inconvenient

[@veritas41photo]

The shrill know-it-all guy who claims the Edmund Fitzgerald grounded on Superior Shoals is just aggravating to the max. Why would you let such an arrogant person say ANYTHING in a documentary like this. He absolutely ruins any respect I have for this production.

[@angelwalker3260]

I agree. He was very arrogant and very annoying. A third grader could have given a better presentation. smdh

[@johnnersinger9771]

@@angelwalker3260 he's not arrogant, he's just cementing the fact that she bottomed out.

[@atomicwedgie8176]

I hate all the FACTS he spews.

[@zachhoward9099]

Oh so sorry some guy who is obviously very knowledgeable of the incident and probably took all his energy to talk about the incident made you lose respect for a very well made documentary. What ever shall we do?

[@helioselexandros]

😂id put money on his expertise before the hundreds of experts in this comment section

[@katharper655]

The MOST fact-heavy explanation is the so-called "Hainault Theory". That gentleman's description/explanation is complex, detailed, knowledgeable.. and he AINT WRONG. IMO. He doesn't gloss over ANY of the technicalities. He doesn't speak to the persons watching his presentation as though we're dummies. He speaks to us as if we're as basically knowledgeable as he is. And the door that Jeff Thomas remarked on is fully explained by this extremely informed, blunt, BRILLIANT man.And you dont find this video....unless you know what yre looking-for. Mr. Hainault isnt easy to watch: he's aggressive, irreverent blunt and RIGHT. Absolutely brilliant.

[@gregorylyon1004]

The door is open because Mc Sorely had to step out and use his binoculars to see where he was going with both of his radars knocked out. Nobody seems to understand that. He's in a major storm

[@stargazer5784]

His explanation is totally lacking in facts. There is no center section found on the sight. The ship was listing to starboard, not port. The bridge was flushed like a toilet when the bridge windows blew in. The water pressure at 500 feet will not shatter teeth, and on and on. Do you believe in Bigfoot too?

[@norml.hugh-mann]

No "s.s." in the fitz name

[@johnhurd6243]

Yes there was

[@stephenyoung2742]

Coast Guard let it sail even though the welds were crap which is why they never let her sistership sail after the Fitz sunk! Company wanted the 4000 more tons loaded putting her over 3 feet lower on water line! This had been done before and former crewmen mention it was harder handling with fishtail! Captain was a company man and crewman told his family he took chances that no other captain he served with would! Charts were out of date!

[@dknowles60]

Wrong the sister auther b homer sailed untill nov 1980

[@abrahammorrison6374]

Shoal not show.

[@stargazer5784]

Gonna block your channel Mark. Conspiracy theories spread lies, and this video is one of the worst such examples.

[@craigpelley683]

and a total cover up indeed !!

[@rodgale40]

Who singing this it is not Gordon lightfoot

[@sensemaya1]

Credits at the end: Lee Murdock Voices Across the Water CD. Might be available on youtube?