The Shocking Truth About the Overwatch Failure.....

[@SamitoFPS]

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[@zacharyjune7510]

Fagtor is my favorite drinking in my life

[@oskar1341]

@SamitoFPS you are literally speaking the truth about everything. Please use your voice and your platform and your audience to make Overwatch the amazing game it can so easily become!

[@sircruz1]

These two are the only Overwatch content creators I constantly keep up with

[@OpEditorial]

Stylosa's journey from drooling fangirl to hardened cynic is almost as fascinating as the evolution of Overwatch to Overwatch 2 itself

[@douchenozzlemcgee6111]

😂😂real and true

[@QWONIE]

I knew stuff got bad when stylosa got into the negative video cycle

[@redd2689]

nah honestly, Sty has always said what he wanted tbh, depending on the game's state, even back then

[@OpEditorial]

@redd2689 maybe, but back when Overwatch was new, Stylosa would gush and giggle like a school girl who had just discovered her first celebrity crush. He'd "squee" over every teaser and patch update like a K-Pop band was on tour near where he lives.

[@redd2689]

@@OpEditorial yeah, but let's not forget overwatch back then was the GOTY winner, where everything was somewhat doing okay, and there was no micro-transaction hell, nor many recolors, for example. So It's pretty fair and square with sty reacting like that back in the day

[@GetQuakedOn]

47:26 - i be giving free QA

[@Chevelle378]

GetQA’don

[@sprogtwice]

@@Chevelle378 lmao

[@Drago-gc5ej]

outa no where like usual. miss watching you in OW1. Stay real amigo

[@jrodd13]

​@@Chevelle378 underrated comment 😂

[@Chevelle378]

@@jrodd13 😂

[@dmc009]

Glad to hear a shout out to stylosa You are the only 2 I still watch.

[@jonahp1127]

Samito’s whole point about AVB overproducing COD but underproducing OW, I haven’t thought about it before but it is good starting place for the argument that Team 4 leadership was the problem.

[@You-g8g6i]

Yeah I always say they blame the person that is not there , Bobby is not clean but I say he knows how to make money

[@You-g8g6i]

Overwatch one had soul like the capital of Korea

[@JustShotsForMeh]

My biggest pet peeve in the industry lately is the weird parasocial relationship people have with game developers, trying telling YOUR employer that fixing the garden, making the food, or cranking the pipes is not your "Passion project", and you would rather "Do something else", that means shit to me, like you said Samito, either do the work or go home, that's not even mentioning you're lucky if you make half as much as a Blizzard developer, AND you pay them money for entertainment, use your wallets not your asses people, stop resonating with anti-competitor white collar freeloafer developers that make shit products and proceed to make excuses about timelines and lack or resources, that will NOT FLY in any other business.

[@salimarg9702]

I’ve said that since OW1 after Brig released many people were criticizing Jeff Kaplan and many parasocial fangirls were defending him. He was paid very well to be responsible for the game direction and that also means being responsible for fuck ups. I know many people who would gladly take 10x the “hate” for half his salary.

[@DeLdEl789]

Stylosa isn’t afraid to give blizzard the hard truth that they suck, unlike a certain Freedo I mean shill.

[@inoo2345]

True but Freedo imo doesn't have the best takes. Do have to give it to em that he does speak his mind instead of beating around the bush

[@TheFootlocker99]

Watched freedo play tank for days, complaining about how hard it was to be a solo tank, and in his next video say "we don't want 6v6 back" lol. Instantly unfollowed him.

[@xepheR_ow2]

⁠@@TheFootlocker99this. He’s either a pathological liar, or always shilling

[@demifolk8940]

Stop with this Freedo hate campaign, Sam is his friend. They are fine. They disagree, he has an opinion you don’t agree with.Quit it with this shit. Why do you guys keep doing this when Sam explicitly says to leave freedo alone.

[@TheFootlocker99]

@@demifolk8940 freedo can have an opinion,but we can't have an opinion?

[@CZAR.6]

24:28 No Samito, we need the griddy in Overwatch, please let me hit the griddy as Reaper I need this

[@hillwoop9101]

The insane potential of an Overwatch and Fortnite collab. Overwatch gets Fortnite emotes, and Fortnite gets Overwatch skins and maybe even abilities too

[@nyeonii]

Sty is always honest with his takes. He gives Blizzard credit when they make good decisions, but he’s not afraid to call them out when they’re being greedy or make bad changes to the game. He’s one of the only OW youtubers I still watch because his takes are always balanced

[@gi1kxsy908]

trying to play overwatch on mobile sounds like the last thing i wanna do, literally would have to use like all five fingers to fuckin play like imagine trying to play genji bro u are cooked...

[@reeetendies4061]

from a software engineers perspective who's worked at companies with 500+ devs to startups with 3 devs, I 100% agree with Kaplan when it comes to the team not needing more resources. 150 people working on overwatch is plenty. you dont just improve something by throwing more people at it. Once youre at a certain scale, all thats going to do is slow down development, and kaplan knew they were at that tipping point. The real issue was just that the vision for the game was flawed, and the resources they had were focused on the wrong thing, the PvE. All they had to do was improve and expand on what made the game great, the PvP. Lack of resources wasnt the issue, it was the vision for the game.

[@eddyjimm]

As a fellow dev, I was just thinking on that while hearing this guys. They have no idea how complex software development can become, specially when talking about teams. It’s hilarious to hear this kids to complain why team 4 was not big enough as Fortnite’s team.

[@Alex-j8m7j]

@@eddyjimmeveryone thinks they know everything. Games have gotten advanced yes, but having ignorant people with no passion for youre work isn’t going to make it better. They cared about money, and that’s it, and still do.

[@GraphiteBlimp27]

Like everything in life, it’s complicated. It’s not black and white it’s grey. Bobby Kotick was awful, but at least he saw the potential for Overwatch League and wanted two teams so that the live service game could be supported while they worked on PVE. However, that likely would’ve spurred a decline in IP integrity (like we’ve seen now with all the goofy collabs and gooner skins) and quality. Jeff had his heart in the right place, he wanted to bring us an even more ambitious game than Overwatch and wanted to take his elite team to greater heights than, in his mind, a simple PVP game. Sadly the best scenario was in the middle. They should’ve had Esports experts, pros, and game designers (Sam even) helping support the live game with balance and trying to create a “proper” and sensible way to play OW instead of leaving us to suffer in GOATS/double shield. They could’ve consciously created healthy and varied metas where each team could execute their own style of play instead of being forced to play to the one “correct” way. In the meantime Jeff could’ve led the efforts to make PVE/OW2. Honestly though, it would’ve have been that hard for anyone who cares to balance the game well (literally 3-5x better than it was wouldn’t even be that hard), but Blizzard was also just too stubborn and “holier than thou” due to their history and reputation. It’s almost like it was just not meant to be. We just were not blessed to exist in the timeline where OW wasn’t hamstrung by these unfortunate business realities. Here’s to hoping they do the 6v6 experiment right and address all the things they failed to address before and then OW can take its place as the greatest multiplayer FPS game of all time. It has the potential. It was nearly already there. Just needs to be optimized.

[@mop-kun2381]

lmao people just gonna type everything huh ? PvE was Jeff's idea

[@Peraliq]

eat cok cow boy bebop collab was sick

[@GraphiteBlimp27]

@@mop-kun2381Yes people gonna type exactly what you said. Reread the comment.

[@heavenlyvirtue8367]

LOL, Overwatch will NEVER be the greatest FPS game ever made no matter what it does. It's just not happening 😂😂

[@mito._]

All I'm reading here is how to hard copium.

[@BlackRaveBow]

Sty is an enduring goat

[@evo4gplus]

Thanks to Samito's recommendation of Factor75, I'm still depressed with the 5v5 format but I eat healthy now! 😊

[@SRSafford]

I feel like it's more of a lack of focus and bad vision that led to the downfall of OW. They say they worked on PVE for 5 years, but they were also helping the development of OW League, simultaneously adding updates to OW1 while trying to make OW2. If they wanted to commit to OW2, they should've gone all in. However, I also think Jeff Kaplan's long-term vision for the game was detrimental to its success. They made a fantastic PVP game but were so tunnel-visioned on the original plan that they failed to see the game for what it truly was.

[@Stanky_Foot]

Real. Jeff really fucked up because he had a vision but not the know how to make it a reality, it's cool to have a vision, just make sure to not tell it to millions of overwatch fans around the world and then flake out because it isn't feasible leaving fans disillusioned.

[@nyeonii]

Something I don’t hear people talk about is the inherent disconnect between creating a MMO game out of Overwatch. The “run” phase of Kaplan’s plan never would have worked because the unique personalities, designs, and abilities of the heroes are what made people fall in love with the game. But in MMO’s a large part of the appeal is character creation and customization. There is a big difference between playing a generic warrior class and playing as Reinhardt for example. People loved Overwatch because they loved playing as the unique cast of heroes.

[@Rowlandi11]

12:30 TBF when OW1 released in 2016 most (if any) games weren't getting bi-monthly patches on the regular. OW was efficient in its first two years of release comparatively to the landscape of gaming at the time

[@shaneh3109]

Jeff in my eyes was not the enemy. He protected his team.

[@kielmessersmith1956]

Yeah he was just trying to protect the integrity of the game and his team, but like everything else that sits under the corporate umbrella. He wasn't given the time to flesh out the new game.

[@WorldKeepsSpinnin]

​@kielmessersmith1956 and ever since he left, the games soul left with him. Seems he was right huh? Passion is everything in a game. Games arent just "jobs" clock in clock out. No. They are much more and require much more. They are art. And the current industry does not understand that. And thats why they are doomed to fail. Thats why gaming has been dying for years now. Soulless corporations have taken over everything. This is the entire reason things like elden ring and dark souls have blown up so large and alot of indie games. Its the passion, uniqueness, detail, etc. Thats gaming. And most of the games out have lost any soul they once had.

[@Hot_SpicyGrill]

Bobby was the worst guy to over see over watch, and Jeff wasn’t much better in the opposite direction. The scope for the pve was obviously untenable.

[@AdamX1124]

He was trying to protect his team but he ended up stopping his team from becoming something greater

[@Desgaroth]

@@Hot_SpicyGrill don't give me that. many things overwatch wanted to do in PVE was the same stuff you saw in Battleborn. Storymissions where your character can level up and choose different ability mutations to have a different feel to it. It was already made before and the scope overwatch was aiming at was not even that much higher than what battleborn came out with. They also made the game from the ground up new. You can not tell me that a company with that huge a budged could not even roughly copy their "competitor" from when overwatch 1 came out. The only thing their scope was failing at was the spaghetti code they used for the game to work in the beginning. It took them months to try and implement 6v6 again because their engine was not capable of working correctly anymore with the original format. You know the whole "Crawl, walk, Run" mentality they had for overwatch? Since overwatch 2 came out it looks like a mirrored version of that is happening in the team. First they ran to push that game out, then they walked for the first year or so trying to make everything fit to the new 5v5 format and then everything became a crawl for even the smallest new things.

[@lawrence9713]

Number one argument from a streamer I was following for years, why Overwatch 2 is a good thing was always Ow1 wasnt making any money. Everyone had enough credits to buy all event skins anyways. And my counter argument was "just make more color variants". Imagine 2-3 legi each with 3 color variants. 3-4 epics each 3 color variants. Noone would have had enough credits to buy all, people would have started to get lootboxes. While writing this and thinking back to Overwatch 1, I really miss it, I really want it back. Fucking hell I hate ow2

[@lrmcatspaw1]

I disagree taht this was not koticks fault. it would be very hard to explain my vision without an essay, so I will use one example: Do you think the ow netflix cancelation was a team4 decision or a managemnt decision?

[@luca377bazooka]

Oh watch out this one’s hot off the plate

[@rspy24]

TLDR; Yeah, Everyone had valid reasons but pretty much, It was doomed to fail from the start. It wasn't meant to be.

[@willywonka00]

Can we see a stylosa vs samito 1v1

[@thatmemeguy2520]

ping complaints

[@douchenozzlemcgee6111]

Sty gets absolutely destroyed. He was good. Never anywhere close to as good as Samito though

[@thatmemeguy2520]

@@douchenozzlemcgee6111 stylosa probably just plays more casuel now

[@douchenozzlemcgee6111]

@@thatmemeguy2520 even back in Sty's absolute prime, he was only mid gm. I think he only touched top 500 a couple times. Samito crushed top500 in all roles.

[@thatmemeguy2520]

@@douchenozzlemcgee6111 fair enough but it can depend on your mindset and how much u want to grind to stay in top 500

[@THEPURIST2]

Fortnite OG was huge, OW could def do something similar

[@hayden1255]

A lot of people in tokyo take the shuttle to shibuya, be it to go to school or work or for things like shopping, so mobile gaming and portable devices are insanely common

[@dojo8627]

HANZO HAS ABSOLUTELY NO IDENTITY

[@JohnIvoryMusic]

Yall have become parrots repeating streamers 😆

[@sortascouseace]

You got your one shot bs back, cry more.

[@giraffeorganic]

You must have been born yesterday.

[@Ajaylix]

Yes he does

[@horodoomwolf]

Yeah, I cook the guy with Genji and Echo.

[@MeikoXVII]

I think they should add a system where if you or a teammate is playing their main and the enemy team counter swaps and Hard counters and focuses and losing from not swaping should reccomend or force counters and or a hero ban for the one person only like for the match or next few matches, half the time it's ego mains blaming their team for them being hard countered and another system where the team can reccomend hero comps and suggest hero to swap to with a new ui that gives you something to do in spawn. I also think there should be a system that prevents self healing and reduces damage on supports who only dps and blames their team for not being god tier players that don't need heals, like make it so when supports self heal it doesn't count towards their overall healing on the board. most of this should apply to those dying or losing as a hero over n over, just a thought.

[@tristancole8158]

You shouldn’t hurt animals, dude.

[@ncascini01]

Kaplan and Goodman did much more to mess up OW than Bobby ever did. Kaplan didn't respect what people loved about the pvp/ the game of the year that everyone fell in love with. He did a 180 skill based balance. That's the main reason the game failed after 2017.

[@ShaaneOh]

i’m really curious as to when they’re gonna ditch the 2 at the end of overwatch because it’s so akward and stupid to have to differentiate between the two

[@lukeGGlee]

They didnt respect or see Jeffs vision for the game

[@gaiblexx1919]

After this and seeing they refused more resources. Overwatch was ruined after they got game of year and didn't expand the team

[@fettbub92]

I wonder, if we stop calling Overwatch a shooter, and call it what it is, a moba, would we see a better role distribution? If you sell the game as a shooter, you will mostly attract the people who the damage roles were made for (yes, I said roles, back in the day the role was split between offense and Defense). The damage role is the most popular, has almost always been the most popular. I, and friends of mine avoided OW because we thought it was a shooter. Most of us came from RPGs, MMOs, Mobas, and other games. Most of us also became support or tank mains. Also, the disaster that is Overwatch 2, is prove that Jeff was 100% correct. Needing to upscale doesn't make the upscale offered good. We see what we got without Jeff. Yes, Jeff needed a second team, but he needed a team that worked with his team. I side with Jeff, id rather play during the content drought than now. Junkensteins Lab only goes so far, the rest of the game is trash.

[@RayJames-mk3yq]

Overwatch should have been casual focused like TF2 from day one. Its ranked ladder should have been an afterthought hidden in a sub menu. Its balance should have been on fun and the average skill of the average player. OWL should have never existed.

[@jacobkelly1653]

34:08 stylosa acting like he just took a fat hit lol

[@its_lucky2526]

i lowkey won't hate overwatch mobile. i don't think it will hold us back as much because mobile devices are far more advanced than a switch, especially if optimized for it

[@aabrrrr]

GOATLOSA

[@aabrrrr]

SInce og Unit Lost days

[@AlexTheHorrid]

Nice stylosa mention

[@chronosoul1837]

Fortnite got a collab with Marriot Hotel some time back. I can't wait for OW2 to get a collab with Progressive, and we get skins of Flo & her team.

[@Zman-nk3rm]

I completely disagree with your sentiment of making something with the intention of going for quantity over quality. Expanding the team of team four, would only work if the people that would be hired on had the same mindset of those who are already there. Expanding the team to expand the team leads to faults and internal stress.

[@jamesmiddleton8335]

What you say about mobile games is so true, people forget that activision blizzard is actually activision blizzard king and king (the company that makes candy crush) is one of their biggest earners. Mobile games have global reach, quick development times and huge revenue, they are the perfect moneymaker for games companies, the only problem with mobile games is that they struggle to create big brands, the exception that i can think of is clash of clans which has a fantastic brand behind it which sells merch easily. Overwatch is one of the best brands in gaming, all of the characters are immediately recognisable as being overwatch and all of characters have huge individual fanbases (and rule 34, dont google at work), mixing that brand with the insane moneymaking potential if mobile gaming is just good business, im surprised they havent used the brand in a mobile game sooner.

[@FranciscoSanchezXO]

shirtmito back with a BANGER

[@lippemartinsm]

It's so fckng funny to me that they made the game super fast and then pratically just forgot about it after the release making changes each 4 months (that DID NOT, most of the times, fix any shit) like some LONG ass vacation after doing some good job 🤣🤣🤣

[@Hot_SpicyGrill]

Roblox has always been popular and short form and long form are both popular. what really changed was battle front 2. That game was the breaking point for games like overwatch.

[@You-g8g6i]

This is how u know Sam keeps it real , all his other friends and creators blame Bobby for everything . Yea maybe he affected the game some I bet he did, but the guy took like 250 k and made billions,he knows business

[@peegeeop4513]

samito how did overwatch walk so fortnite could run when h1z1 was the reason battle royals even exist and it came out 1 year before overwatch

[@dokushi]

Overwatch Mobile is going to run like a nuclear bomb

[@vunu.]

Dreamcast:PS2::Overwatch:Fortnite only OGs will get this analogy

[@serrendipiitousend3179]

Its crazy to think you have to explain that you dont put a lot of hatred into your opinions. That youre just trying to have a level headed take.

[@neilmallick20]

b/c his fans are deranged so he has to constantly disavow them because he's ashamed of them.

[@flayminator8049]

SAMITO RUNS MINEPLEX??😊

[@PhantomedShazamTheOriginal]

I'm sorry did he say Mineplex?

[@Cashcorn]

Mineplex when

[@steel5897]

This reddit ass deification of Jeff Kaplan as le genius creative soulful creator being brought down by le big bad corporate suits who ruined his vision and destroyed the game is peak cringe. Reddit applies that to EVERYTHING and they're always wrong or at least missing like two thirds of the big picture.

[@neilmallick20]

Yeah, I mean it's easy to pat yourself on the back and go to sleep at night when Mr. Moneybags is the cause of all your problems lol. If if makes you feel any better they are almost always teenagers or failed adult communists

[@NoName-x5o]

League of Legends is the gateway game to the live service future.

[@giraffeorganic]

who the hell gona buy that book lmfao

[@StiiiiiicccckkkkyyyyFiingaaass]

Shush💀

[@bot4hire202]

Idk if I agree with the “it’s just a business” angle. Team 4 did make blizzard a literal fuckin cash cow and to then turn around and start screaming “WHERES THE MICROTRANSATIONS??? WHERES THE MONETIZABLE CONTENT???” Like come on bro that shit is indefensible, especially if from Team 4s own account is actively hurt the quality of OW. I’d leave too wtf. That’s like if I had a kid and the school I sent him to started selling him crack at lunch.

[@arinrobinson3898]

more people wouldn't have solved the problem. 50 people under great leadership and management will get a lot more done than 100 people under shitty management. the problem was never how many people were working on the project but who was working on the project. jeff kaplan being wrong doesn't mean that bobby kotick was right. both can still be wrong.

[@Hot_SpicyGrill]

You have to update one the biggest fps games of all time. What moral killer. 😓 Lmao.

[@VladStopTalking]

Any tldr

[@eagerinspirit]

overwatch bad

[@pauliewalnuts5803]

Keff Japlan

[@Caspeaon]

Geff KapKan

[@OneSlavBoi]

Tigole Bitties

[@StiiiiiicccckkkkyyyyFiingaaass]

​@@OneSlavBoinow thats rhetoric I can get behind🗣️🔥

[@Pepe-pq3om]

Fortnite was a disgrace to the industry

[@schadenfreude81]

Bobby Kotick set back E-sports for Decades... Big investors wont touch epsorts now till someone else runs them and starts making a profit

[@jamesdow211]

Kind of sad to see Sammy playing devil's advocate for the modern gaming industry. Team 4 was interested in creating art and ActiBlizzard wanted profit, and they ought to have let team 4 do their thing because at the end of the day art will always be more important than profit, and gaming companies ought to have it as their primary motive (in an ideal world.) Not to imply team 4 weren't shitty at balancing and PvP design however, that much is true.

[@steel5897]

Most reddit take I've seen all month

[@rizaadon]

RAHHH

[@jksoftware1]

Mobile gaming is pure crap. Not enough GPU power and too much latency.

[@nightvale8984]

Jeff will always be in the right, it will never be up for debate. OW should never be a live service game. It's always delusional when people believe things like this.

[@steel5897]

The game would be dead if it wasn't a live service. Jeff was absolutely in the wrong and had outdated views about multiplayer games. His management of Team 4 was also objectively incompetent.

[@JackitChan]

FIX RANKED FIRST

[@Setogayamari]

You and stylosa are the only overwatch content creators I follow up with. Sorry to say but people like flats and your overwatch have just become insufferable

[@bot4hire202]

Just out of curiosity, what about flats don’t u like? Genuine question

[@JDGansGaming]

​@@bot4hire202 Flats is super arrogant and negative with people who don't agree with him.

[@bot4hire202]

@@JDGansGaming I see

[@Alex-j8m7j]

@@bot4hire202he’s dumb. Not more I can say, thinks he’s right. Who asks for 7v7?