The "shooting frame" in traditional archery.

Please note: This video is in Black and White because I was messing around with my camera the other night trying to get pictures of the lunar eclipse and I can't figure out how to fix it yet. lol

[@staffordboy7824]

What an outstanding video ! I've learnt more from watching this than i have from the advice dozens of people have given me about correct form and frame over the last year. I wish Jeff would start doing videos again he is greatly missed. Many thanks Jeff John from England.

[@StanleysGarage369]

Thank you! I originally learned through NASP as PE teacher with the Genesis compound. Then I picked up a vintage 1969 40# Kodiak Hunter and every traditional guy was telling me I had to learn to lean/tilt. My shooting was terrible, except when I went back to making a solid frame. Now I understand bending at the waist too for hunting shots! Thank you!

[@TexExpatriate1]

Jeff makes more sense than anyone teaching online!

[@timmathews4973]

Great video Jeff, finally someone has broken this crazy notion that when shooting Traditional you must be bent at waist and canting the bow ! Good Form is always a must in shooting any type Archery. Good Luck this Fall. Thanks Tim

[@samwatkins9200]

Being someone who is returning to archery after a long time away rifle hunting l find your videos very informative. Between you and archery 101 there is no need to watch any other channels.

[@joekilpatrick3437]

This just might be one of the best videos I have ever seen explaining how to shoot a bow, especially for beginners.

[@usernamemykel]

Every one of your tutorials are simply brilliant. Many thanks from someone who always appreciates a good teacher.

[@nigelhutt9921]

My groups have really improved watching your videos, many thanks.

[@Diggs5012]

Lethe black and white appears more sepia tone...gives it a "vintage" style. I dig it bro. Great info to boot!! Thanks Jeffro

[@steverichardson4808]

Jeff, you make some of the most informative and enjoyable videos on KZbin

[@EfferusZangetsu]

I can never thank you enough for all the knowledge you keep sharing. Great explanations and all together great videos. Please keep them coming. All the best to you and your family Jeff.

[@DIYSportsman]

I was one of those guys who posted "how's my form?" videos when I first picked up the long bow after being a long time compound shooter. So many people told me I needed to bend over at the waist and cant the bow. And my groups were terrible that way. When I stood tall and opened up as you suggest, my groups shrank significantly. Great video!

[@GustavoUberoGrande]

It's so good to see Jeff's uploading video more often. Archery changes my life style and these videos help me improve on my archery skill thus improves my life further. Best wishes to the Kavanagh family!

[@bowman321123]

Jeff, good video, topic well done keep up the education. I'm looking forward to hearing about that bow, my 45#Ben Pearson Rogue broke on me awhile back, It was such a sweet shooting old bow, I'll miss it. My wife did take pity on me though, and I went out and purchased a Sage, another sweet bow

[@TheMercian01]

Jeff, this is a really useful video that i can refer new archers to.

[@Jazzman-bj9fq]

This is super important stuff for new shooters like myself. Very glad you posted and I found it!

[@realworldarchery736]

Jeff, I always enjoy your videos. Thanks for making them and please continue on with them. I'm a feel the shot kind of guy, but I think you are 100% correct in teaching and using proper form. It saves the shoulder, and the elbow from unnecessary pain. Additionally, it tightens groups in the long run. Having a stable frame for each shot can only make the shot better. Don't pay attention to naysayers. What you're teaching is an excellent way to shoot. I am an instinctive archer and a speed shooter. I've incorporated many of your teachings into my shooting style and I am a better archer for it. So thanks. :) Have a great day and keep on with the instructional videos. They are great and worth watching. :)

[@JeffKavanagh]

+Real World Archery Thank-you for the vary kind words.

[@winnybach3654]

Hi Jeff, in case you are still reading new comments to an old thread, only this morning I have seen your video about the "frame". This afternoon I tried it and the groups are getting much closer! Why didn´t I see it before, it makes all the difference!!! Tomorrow I will try it in various distances at the local club. Thank you very much for a great education video... Winny

[@adamlittleboxes4849]

I've watched a bunch of your vids, and enjoy them all. I find them to be informative and interesting. You inspired me to buy a recurve, in fact! Thanks, and keep up the great work, Jeff!

[@Motoguzzi750]

Love to hear the storey of the Minuteman! I shoot a old Bear Denim compound from the 80s....just love it.

[@jurgenschmidt1039]

Hi Jeff!I come from Compund shooting.Because of your great vids i learned now to shoot Recurve and Longbows.I hope to be anytime as half as good as you. Greets from Germany! :-)

[@ItsMeKevinFPV]

Thank you Jeff for al your excellent videos ! wish you well.

[@Tirikitaon]

Jeff, Just wanted to thank you for your videos they have really help me improve in accuracy as well as form, since last you wrote me about a year ago I have gone from a super kodiak 55 pounds to a 45 pound 59 kodiak and i love it. Although everyone tells me its not an accurate bow because it´s too light of a bow and therefore not accurate and i have since then prove them all wrong…I have also being doing some hunting from a tree stand with it and proves reliable 100%. Still having some trouble with me release ( not always the same ) but I am shooting almost everyday and improving a lot. Last week I wan my first 3d tournament in my club against pretty good shooters with black widows and blacktail bows and it was an awesome feeling…. Sincerily Felipe Sanchez Jr

[@duroarcher6544]

Another great video.. I will recommend it to every beginner. Thanks a lot for your tips, especially the second anchor point. Helped me a lot to improve my form. Greetings from Germany.

[@kenjimorimitsu1757]

First off I want to thank you for this video because it completely changed my form and my shooting has improved dramatically! I was hunching and pulling with my arm therefor I wasn't really pulling my scapula all that tight which resulted not pulling full draw on the bow. I been shooting a 50# bow with this new form it literally feels like a 40# bow night and day difference!

[@catholichack]

I've learned so much from you... Thank you!

[@jamesgretsch4894]

Joe I learned so much from you as well as Jeff.

[@natrix3222]

Great video ! Thx for teaching us your knowledge.

[@UncleDansVintageVinyl]

Beautiful! You're a great teacher: so clear.

[@GianniG55]

Hi Jeff just wanted to say great video and your probably right that there are some who are going to give you some stick over this video but I have to say I tried shooting this way today after watching the video only yesterday and I have certainly given the hunched style of shooting a good go but there were to many inconsistencies with it mainly the back tension or the lack of, would mess up my release usually flinging out my hand away from my face .I started archery with a compound so in your video where you mentioned that solid T shaped frame I thought I would use that same technique and draw my recurve the same way I do my compound standing the same way too and what a difference it made, my back muscles really got engaged and I shot really well and my hand came backwards naturally which felt great! I will continue to practice this style and develop from that so thank you Gianni.

[@JeffKavanagh]

+GianniG Great stuff! I am glad it helped and yes you are correct, I have been getting a lot of flack about my video from that die hard trad crowd which believes traditional archery is only about hunching over and mysteriously "feeling the shot". What ever works I guess. I seems I am not trad.

[@RiverbendlongbowsOutdoors]

Just wanted to say also when my daughter turned 10 we star NASP in our school "system" here and she was disappointed that she had to shoot a bow with "training wheels".

[@BananaBabys]

Everything Jeff is saying I have slowly discovered. Yes you can good good with bad form and 20+ years of practice. But with proper form(which is really just what archers found was the generally optimum way of shooting) you can get great in less than a year. If you can be accurate with great form at 50 yards, then 20 yards with ok form will still be accurate.

[@tombushman7357]

another great learning video jeff.thanks. have found out through another of your videos that you are indeed a fellow canucker, lol you don't live very far from me ,i live in elliot lake,what a small world thanks again ,would love to sling some arrows with you,who knows,my son lives in st catherines,keep them coming jeff .

[@AdventureTimeOutdoors]

Thanks so much for this video. I am new to archery and I am trying to really work on my form. Watching you made me realize I should film some practice sessions so I can see what I am doing right and wrong. You explain things really well. I will try that second anchor point. It makes a lot of sense. Take care and Merry Christmas Mark

[@PatrickvanEwijk]

only just found your channel, wow love it and i spent the whole evening watching your great video's. Thank you for making these.

[@RiverbendlongbowsOutdoors]

Spot on Jeff. I concur on all subjects you covered.

[@SpinWing100]

Awesome video Jeff! Thanks for reaffirming what I have been teaching my traditional archery students. I shoot all 3 styles of archery and teach them as well with no difference in form to my students. Will share with them as well ! Great vid, keep iit up! Subscribed!

[@JeffKavanagh]

+Steve McIvor Great stuff Steve. There seems to be a real "protection factor" over the idea that i order to shoot traditional. or instinctive, one needs to be "natural" in their form. In other words, hunched over, etc. It's as if having good form means you are not traditional. lol

[@Seminex222]

You are absolutly right! a solid shooting frame makes all the difference! btw this video looks very retro :D :D Team Bear ;)

[@mesopotamia-iq]

I learned so many things from you Thank you very much Much appreciation God bless you Please keep coming your videos Greetings

[@DavidWCoulter]

I watch and rewatch your terrific videos. They’re very informative and always a pleasure to watch. Any more in the works? All the best to you and your family. dwc

[@lesterdumm6477]

You didn't make me mad. Nice video and I will share it with my trad buds.

[@pe4015]

Very Helpful Jeff. Thanks.

[@homerson1038]

thank you! really good review for all archery shooters!

[@justice62675]

Jeff: Keep them coming. Incredible instruction. Really appreciate the guidance. (Why the black and white?) ;-) Best on KZbin , without a doubt.

[@JeffKavanagh]

+Justice NPPA Thank-you

[@Eagles_Eye]

+Jeff Kavanagh dude,... i just found out why i hit my nose... my damn frame isnt correct.. i shot olympic recurves in the upright straight position. went to a Falco Storm ( horseback/hunter/lowbow hybrid) traditionally, and i just cant find a good posture, because yes.. you have to bend over.. have to stand blahblahblah, all the things you actually named, i was told to do by other instinctive archers etc, unfortunatly i did not see this video a couple of hours back, i just came from the archery range... this saterday.. im just goin to stand the way i stood with my olympic recurve ( except ofcourse the anchor point, and the bow canting ), lets see how that goes. your videos are incredibly informative and clear even though English is not my native language, i've watched other people, like greyarcher etc. they were all standing bend over, and they explained why etc. their way didnt work for me ( clearly) .. imma try your way this saterday.. and see what happens.

[@nchrist4ever560]

Thank you for sharing, I greatly appreciate it

[@excel2836]

Great Video, A great teacher, keep it up!

[@MinhNguyen-ml4pc]

Thanks a lot Jeff, this video help me a lot! Can you create a video with multi position of the camera so I can see to full picture of your shooting frame, thanks a lot again!

[@Wingman115]

Great information thanks so much for sharing.

[@RiverbendlongbowsOutdoors]

And Jimmy is alright

[@danreducto8075]

nice pointers! 🏹😊👌 just a beginner here imma do it Thanks Jeff

[@fishhunter348]

Thanks, this helped me heaps as ive just gone trad and fell into these EXACT mistakes!

[@DANVIIL]

Another excellent video.

[@jaydgardner]

Thank you for another great video. One point somewhat related to framing is holding. That is the area that I struggle with the most. Call it target panic or what ever, but unless keep my eyes closed when I draw or have someone telling me to hold, I often release before I get to full draw. Both you and Lucy seen to have overcome that and it is not a problem. Any advice would be appreciated and/or coverage in a future video. Thanks again, JDG

[@tacoma1309]

+Jay Gardner Thanks for bringing this up. It is my current nemisis which i am trying to overcome by : holding close to the target and letting down, using lesser poundage bows, strength training and continuing to "endeavor to persevere" (apologies to Cling Eastwood)

[@jaydgardner]

+tacoma1309 Thanks for the suggestion. Draw/letdown sounds like a good exercise. I did read about an archer (can't remember who) who would draw then let down 100/x every day. Nice thing about that is the exercise can be done indoors. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@jaydgardner]

+Jay Gardner should also point out that quality is more important than quantity

[@tacoma1309]

+Jay Gardner Your welcome sir. Maybe my shoulders are getting weaker on account of years of stress from working and so on, but i found that it was getting harder to hold and aim my 45 lb Bear tkdwn 64". i began to short draw and let go, and it got worse; a bad habit can carry over into even a 35 lb Coronado. I had been training w/40 lb Grizzly and moved up some but my draw was actually 29 so i was pulling more and when it began to hurt, my form collapsed. But in front of the mirror, i could draw and hold. Of course i am not going to break my mirror in the basement. So i then realized how mental this drawing aiming holding thing is and it takes a lot of effort to combat a bad habit. So then i got into getting real close to the target and holding and then letting go and then move back. And in the morning before work when i am fresh, i can use the heavier bow. but if i try it after work, well, then i decided to give myself a break and just practice form w/ an easier draw weight bow. All of this to counter premature release. and it is an ongoing battle but it is, getting better. I can now spend fractional seconds more aiming whilst holding(really continuing to draw), Let me know how the battle goes and thanks for the Frame video Jeff!!

[@Nailz64]

Great video

[@Motoguzzi750]

Great video Jeff - I'm pretty much using your videos to teach myself to shoot better. Just need more real world 3d practice in the woods!

[@mattsantana7701]

Very helpful. Thank you.

[@Pontanellen1]

Great vid!! I think i increased my draw length by one inch after seeing this video...

[@anthonyvalenzuela8108]

There was a bat on my roof, and practicing on small targets already, I no scoped the shit out of it. Fucking demolishes my wall, but still, right in the fucking chest. Awesome.

[@Traveler2112]

Nice vid Jeff.

[@DronEverywhere]

Nice, video. Thanks a lot.

[@muzza6007]

Great info thanks

[@jakehilder8906]

Great Vid!!

[@jameswagg4357]

Enjoy your videos good refresher, I find my shoulders getting sore after 50 or so arrows, any suggestions I am strong and am only using a 50# re curve no problem holding at draw. Also you have 55 & 60 pound bows so what do you hunt with 453 minute man.

[@JeffKavanagh]

+James Wagg Hi James. I hunt with many different bows and weights. Love them all!

[@leoruffeil7692]

Very nice video! Hey Jeff! I used to hunt with rifles, I've never tried to do it with a bow. I'm preparing myself for it, so I have some questions about bow hunting. How do you care your bow when you're hunting? If you need to climb or use both hands do you put your bow in your back, do you use a special bag for it? Do you unstring your bow when you camp? Many thanks, Leo

[@JeffKavanagh]

+Leo Ruffeil I always unstring my bows when they aren't in use. If I had to I guess I would strap my bow to my pack. I do that many times when I go to my cabin as we have to walk in about a mile and a half as there are no roads. That's one reason I like the takedown bows Bear makes as well.

[@leoruffeil7692]

+Jeff Kavanagh Thanks Jeff! I'm going to hunt in the Amazon, a lot of trees and branches it's quite difficult walk with a bow I guess...

[@anitagriffith4614]

really thankful for your videos.you just described me switching from a compound to a recurve , several years ago. my 10 yr. grandson is watching your videos and wants a recurve. do you have any suggestons for the right bow for a strong. 10 yr. old?waynegriff.

[@LaLaObeRoT]

Thank you.

[@ironpirate8]

Agree 100%

[@ketjuariittaa]

What i would want to you make video about. Is that i shoot tab and when i now try to hunt i find that it is slow to find your string fast. So i tryed my old shooting glove and solidly hits are i one feet left on any arrow and bow set that i have. So i get better release with tab and better arrow flight. So finaly my question. What happens your shooting if you witch to tab?

[@JeffKavanagh]

+Bicycle sunday It would likely be very difficult for me if I tried to use a tab instead of a glove. All I have ever used is a glove.

[@TheMasonator777]

You can still cant the bow a bit with a good frame correct? I shoot with a straight frame, but my bow is slightly canted. Is that wrong?

[@Eagles_Eye]

+TheMasonator777 no, that is pretty much correct,.. it is how i am supposed to do it.. and i only realised it now.,.. thanks to his video... bless the guy..i wish i knew about him earlier.

[@pjculbertson55]

I have been confused about "tuning the bow." I have heard a lot of people say that. Other than brace height and nocking point, is there anything else to do? I do understand the importance of working with arrow length and head weight based on the spine. Is that also considered as part of tuning the bow?

[@JeffKavanagh]

Yes it is just as important as the rest. Everything has to balance and work together.

[@bk_panther_]

I wish I had 45 yards to shoot indoors. lol You're spoiled. ;-)

[@jurgenschmidt1039]

What do you have here to protect your Bow??

[@Eagles_Eye]

+Jürgen Schmidt it's not to protect his bow, its camoflage for hunting i think;) ( + string silencers on the string )

[@randymorehouse3756]

Check out who?

[@TheClimbhard]

Is that a bear recurve with a wrap on the grip? What do you use to wrap the grip? Thanks!

[@JeffKavanagh]

+Scott Higgins that bow is an older (40+ year) Bear Minuteman. It is a takedown bow with a magnesium handle and the rubber handle came as part of the bow.

[@TheClimbhard]

Thanks! Your videos are awesome, thanks for doing them!

[@jayman448]

so... how do you have it in your head then to draw flat and then pivot your waist after to aim?

[@willkavanagh4785]

+jayman448 That was for illustration purposes so people could see that I was keeping my shooting frame consistent.

[@jayman448]

+Will Kavanagh ok. thanks

[@northernwilderness6061]

what glove do you use

[@JeffKavanagh]

+dewbar2 420 It from Bear Paw. It's really nice because it's not too stiff and I can "feel" the string well through it.

[@nobodyspecial1166]

+Jeff Kavanagh Quick question I hope you can answer. I started with a glove, but after an afternoon of shooting, my ring finger would tingle for days after. I couldn't even draw my bow .like that. I switched to an AAE tab, and it doesn't happen anymore. I really prefer using a glove though. Is this an issue with my release, or just bad fingers, or...?

[@jayman448]

hey jeff. if i get bad string burn and pinched nerves in my third (lowest finger) whwt form flaws might be contributing?its really starting to hurt like heck

[@JeffKavanagh]

+jayman448 string burn? please elaborate for me. Do you wear a glove or use a tab or are you shooting bare fingers? Split finger or three under?

[@jayman448]

+Jeff Kavanagh i wear a full leather glove. i usually shoot three under so i chalked it up to fingerpinch. so i went to split and its still the same. right through a leather glove i grow calluses and blisters and my fingers third finger goes purple and swolen and tender. theres a callus that runs right down the lowest side of my lowest fingers pad and across the finger tip. i dont know how to alleviate that. ive been told that its just something youll get over and that you eventually loose all sense of touch in those fingers (i would rather keep my sense of touch thank you). seems to me such pain plus pinched nerves and fingertips tingling indicates me doing something very wrong somewhere

[@JeffKavanagh]

+jayman448 You are right. For me when that happens it means my hook and hand placement isn't right. For years I shot with no calluses at all, then I ran into a bout where I had that happen exactly what is happening to you and my shooting also went sour. When I videoed myself I noticed a slight twist in my release hand. My wrist was rotated down slightly and I wasn't getting proper back tension into the shot. It is really important that your hand remains flat and parallel with your bow. When that doesn't happen it means the string is being torqued. Check out a video I recently made on "the hook". Hope it helps. Let me know please.

[@jayman448]

+Jeff Kavanagh ok thanks. ill check that out and let you know how it turns