THE SIEGE HAS BEGUN.... | Raid: Shadow Legends

[@brianjohns7230]

Got home from work 10 hours after the siege started and went to do my battles. We were matched against a weak opponent in tier-5 for some reason. There were no attacks left. We wiped the board before 6 members of the clan even got a chance to attack. ESTABLISH A RULE WHERE EVERYONE ONLY DOES ONE ATTACK ON THE FIRST DAY!!!!!!!! The six of us will now miss out on any rewards because we neither had a successful attack or defense! I cant believe that even though I came in and did the Mana Shrine re-Battles, the only thing left to me, I wont get a single reward.

[@mosuke5123]

You didnt miss out, except you wanna see a circle of death loading screen for 1-5 minutes before the champ select. This is a buggy/laggy mess.

[@Lordinventar]

rebattle scroll is for lost battles rebattle in mana shrine is free except u use your champs

[@MHGFTW]

We were matched with a clan that has 420m player power. Ours has 290m, but a lot of that in concentrated in some players that have 20-30m. There's almost 10 players under 5m. Our opponent has a 10m minimum requirement. We were all in discord excited to participate and do a small share. We couldn't do anything. We're not getting rewards either. Our defences got rolled as well. Our good players are doing decent, but it feels like I'm there for moral support. This mode rewards clans for having ALL whales. This will create a rift in clans no longer wanting to help lower level players grow.

[@awilliams765]

In the siege my clan participated in, it was over fairly quickly. There were a lot of non-defended posts. My three battles were all wins-- 2 non-defended, 1 defended. And that was it. Maybe 2 minutes total.

[@lordvader6058]

Same here. We didn't plan at all and neither did our opponents 🙂 I guees it's totally different for top clans. That's why I don't ever want to be in one.

[@mneacsu]

@@lordvader6058 my clan got a rank 34 clan. WTF??? so nice mm from plarium made by the cleaning lady

[@cheapsuits1743]

Make sure you go back and farm the mana shrines with the free rebattles. It's a good chunk of mana per player

[@worldcollab9721]

Saph, small clan here. I like how it's set for battle. A better way to communicate with clan members is needed though. The strategy for lower-level clans can be approached in many ways especially when you can only use your best champions twice. I know you are looking at this from high level clans but having seen how it's playing out live I'm actually looking forward to the next war and will be better able to direct my clan members. Keep that wonderful big brain of yours churning out content, always love it.

[@grimmortals8368]

This is a mess and will cause many players to say it's not worth it. The low levels in my clan dumped all their teams in the stronghold and towers 5 and 4. Left so much open that the opponent walked right through. Granted our opponent had a 2 to 1 favorable power ratio.

[@cena_kms]

I think after the buildings are upgraded, the number of attacks required will increase and the 90 atk scrolls and 90 rematch scrolls will be good to have. It might be looking high now but might seem decent as we have more siege tourneys.

[@justina2353]

I think this first siege has been also of fun, it’s been fun to talk with my clan and watch them attack the enemy! I wish you could watch replays of fights though

[@russiantuba]

It’s still a lot for me and I lost a lot of the manna shrines. I tried to figure out the rematch scrolls but someone took the post after I lost. You did good helping SOS4 with the defensive strats you mentioned

[@_inky_5348]

We have been matched with a pretty easy low level clan which hasn't given us any problems with our siege however one problem i found was if the mana shrines are undefended your clan can't re-attack it to win extra orbs this could be quite nasty for those who need orbs for upgrades and donations. This could create all clans using a tactic of leaving both mana shrines undefended to prevent attackers from earning mana rewards during their siege battles

[@lordvader6058]

On the system: Cool in general. The prep Phase could be a bit shorter, the battle phase longer. We were really worried to get enough players to attack haha

[@larsmartintangen7072]

Our clan got matchet with a clan who could not beet any of our defends, fun for us but must be sad for the other clan

[@travisboop709]

I love the concept of optimizing an army. Use the weak to defeat the weak and wisely save your best for stronger battles. I realize that newer players can't function with it but I would enjoy having more defenses, and more attacks but also require a unique team each time.

[@driftercloud3381]

Can we have the victory chest become a participation chest? The issue is just clan participation. We have active players but not willing to do an extra arena based mode. That is the killer of this mode. If this mode was incorporated early on, it would be hands on.

[@Magnadra1989]

Since the uses of your champs is limited every lost battle hurts double since you can only use every of your champ twice (win or lose). I was hovering on raid and discord all day since I needed to wait until my clan got stuck or get to the stronghold and if they found a problem you need to be quick since all of them RL that. won't wait amd after you done your scrolls you are setting around brainstorming but powerless to do anything

[@lefeal9707]

OBV-Hope FTW. Currently beating saphs clan 4950 to 1050. His stronghold is down, ours is up with with 5 teams left.

[@lordvader6058]

Wait for it!

[@lefeal9707]

@@lordvader6058 Well I waited. We're still up 3k and multiple buildings left standing with 10 minutes to go. In 10 minutes I'm sure we'll get the last milestone and win by over 5k.

[@Lehmartin]

@saph, there's rematch and rebattle. rebattle is free (once per mana defence) and I think only when a shrine goes down

[@lordvader6058]

It is interesting to see how you (and other hardcore players) engage this. While I agree Siege requires a lot of Clan Coordination IF YOU WANT TO PLAY IT OPTIMAL, you don't have to and most clans wont. For example, my clan refused (haha) to do any preparation and half of the clan didn't even participate AT ALL. But same goes for our opponent and therefore we already managed to destroy their Stronghold using the attacks of about 10-15 people only 🙂

[@bramtakkenkamp3410]

Maybe they will switch the starting points for the wars. When you defend you also don’t really know where they break your walls.

[@Rocky-Fl]

Regarding the first tier of defense... Its good to have rather good teams there too because You can only use one champ in 2 attack battles. After that You cant use the champ no matter If there are conditions or not. So making enemy use its Best champs in the start could mean he has not so good ones for the shrines and stronghold

[@RPSchonherr]

Our plan was to put our strongest players in the Stronghold and Mana Shrines and work out from there. Psychology says that the big players will jump in first to take the low level positions and waste their scrolls leaving the more important positions to the lower level players. Most clans aren't that organized and krakens who never join chat will do whatever they want to do. So far it's working. Our Stronghold and mana Shrines are secure.

[@damian4748]

Plarium should allow clan members to watch replays of how they were attacked. It would be fun to see weakness in your own as well as clans teams.

[@dajansineoni7678]

First and second impression: Too complicated Boring A mode for full clans A mode for whale clans Summary: Ignore

[@mightiesthelmutz2836]

As a clan leader, it was a bit simpler than expected. A few adjustments for leader viewing when setting it up before the start would be nice. Our matchup was an equal, we suck at CVC so we got a sucky opponent. Half the clan played, the other half is in cyberspace still. A few tweaks and this mode can be ok for all.

[@jonnyblad]

What a joke, we got matched with a clan that had twice our player power, they destroyed us and we did nothing

[@nicuhagivreta5838]

Who did you face?

[@Madvillainbgd]

Same we got matches with clan everyone was minimum lvl91 we do not have not 1 person over lvl 70 minimum power of a team was 250k our max was 140k literally shit to satisfy top players. They could at least match us up with similar clans not op clans

[@petermauer6281]

pls all of you leave the raid community nobody needs people who complain about every detail

[@WaylanderWOR]

We were matched pretty well

[@Madvillainbgd]

@@petermauer6281 bro when your clan is lvl 10 and you get matched with clan lvl 19 wtf you talking about!! It's like going on hydra at lvl 10 waste of time

[@Sergejs90]

We are in 5th league and we are not well organized but luckily opponents are even worse. Can't imagine chaos in lover leagues. Also funny to see my defense teams scoring 17 victories and still being undefeated, I've just completely blocked entrance to stronghold.

[@tychopsycho3598]

I dont think I've seen a single CC get the points right, there are two sets of points, victory points and victory medals. Victory points which you can win and lose affect your tier placement, victory medals you can only gain not lose, and those are what get you the progression rewards and affect whether you win/lose the individual siege.

[@Made4Slaying]

They should really adjust the number of locations depending on the number of members in clan, for example 15 player clans should have less places to attack OR more attacks per player so they can dish out as much damage as the other clan...

[@JustCallMeKopi]

I hate this game mode.... I've never been truly interested in PvP. I only got up to Gold 5 so I can do fusions and get the benefits, that's it.

[@TheGray82]

Is it possible that you “lose” the points for your tower etc being destroyed, but it doesn’t calculate until the end? We downed our enemies stronghold and I’m pretty sure their score didn’t go down

[@maetze1539]

Saph the victory Points (brown swords) are just for Matchmaking I believe. And only the victory medals contribute to your pointscoring for the rewards. Our Matchmaking was kinda wierd. We are Tier 3 and we wiped the Enemy completely in the first day inlcuding all rebattles for the Mana shrines. Since you can only use every Champ 2 times a lot of Members of our CLan struggled on the rebattles because you have 12 Battles for the Mana shrines plus your 3 - 6 standard once. They literally ran out of champs to use. But it was an easy victory for us. We had strong Defenses in 3 Points before the Stronghold and the Enemy couldn't go past... Was kinda fun but over quickly and coordination was horrendeous for us since we are not a top tier clan and a lot of people don't engage in Chat or DC. Some were kinda disappointed because after 3 fights it was over for the individuel Members. I had more work since I am a Deputy but am not sure yet how much I really like the whole system.

[@wintorz01]

I honestly think this game mode is a waste of time. I'll try it again next week when theres better matchmaking and now its a it clearer on how it all works. But, to me its a whole lot dev time spent on something thats almost impossible to co-ordinate, to complex, too obscure, too niche and honestly... not fun. Its just a blinded, resource limited version of PvP. I've already told my clan that if we find ourselves in the same position next week, we're just not playing it at all, cos thats the only way Plarium will hear any feedback. Maybe top clans feel different. But most of the player base ain't up there and ain't about that life. At the end of the day, this is at its core meant to be a mobile game. Thats my two cents, people are welcome to disagree with it.

[@aersla1731]

My clan did all the work while I was working so didn't even get to try it. By the time I got home it was all cleared. Seems like a flaw with the design, maybe not enough post.

[@gerutzu575]

is that a thing??? damn that sucks, i don't think you'll get any rewards at the end from that chest either

[@aersla1731]

@@gerutzu575 Oh well, it is what it is.

[@lordvader6058]

Have they already defeated each and every post? If it's just the Stronghold, you can still attack other locations. Even if so, you can at least farm the Mana Shrines!

[@aersla1731]

@@lordvader6058 yeah just mana shrines but they only give 4 whatever, and you can only use teams 2 times. So it just feels like tta.

[@almirmehmedika5091]

Hi Saph, we won Siege in Tier 1 by totally crushing opponent defenses. You forgot to see (because you didn't yet reach Mana Shine) that after you beat Mana Shrine you get 4 mana orbs (meaning it's max for level 1 and two Mana Shrines to get 48 Mana Orbs) for defeating each team in Rebattle tab (it doesn't cost you nothing only problem is you cant use same champion more then 2 times during whole attack phase so you need big roster of PvP champions for this mode). Also I noticed you didn't calculate that in Mana Towers you have like 3 layers of defense (Stronghold it's 12) meaning you need to defeat 6 teams so you need 6 attack scrolls to do that (for Stronghold you need 12 attack scrolls meaning minimum 4 players that didn't use attack scroll when you reach Stronghold).

[@evalman9563]

Saph-curious but isnt it as you upgrade your stronghold and stuff you get to put in more teams? So probably going up to 90 battles? So of course at being level one, its not at max capacity so yea everyone potentially doesnt get a turn yet 🤔

[@SSuser-go7jm]

We got quite outmatched, T5 and the opponents were simply a bit stronger. They simply have a speedteam with Armanz, Krixia, Siphi and Taras in the Stronghold which we have no way to kill. Hoping we get a more balanced opponent next time.

[@andrewarnold9820]

We are a ftp clan, with very low commitments and it shows. However we are winning our Siege because the enemy clan just doesn't have the firepower. I don't see much problem with Siege for smaller clans. Its the competitive clans who will struggle, and I think the main take way I have seen is that you have to down the Stronghold period. Its not about winning...its about not losing. That, I think is the flaw. Pretty cool design, with lots of strat potential, but strongest clans wins, period.

[@andrewarnold9820]

BTW our problem is we don't have enough attacks to down everything. So, I don't believe that is an issue at all.

[@Elixium_Watches]

We need battle replay for this mode and a list of who has used their keys or not from the clan.

[@allabouttheguitar1555]

To be honest, I'm a bit disappointed. We are in tier 1 and the clan we have been put up against only has 16 members and has much less power so we have cleared everything fast and I don't think they stood a chance which wasn't fair to them. I was sort of expecting you attack a post and have to take on every team in waves like a dungeon run which would have been better for the defenses

[@Visix576]

not in a "comepetative" clan (only t14) vs a t13 clan however i like that you cant see the other def's of the other clan makes it way more of a challange but i'll agree that the pointloss shouldnt be the same as point gain, and that the post 1 shouldnt even be a thing since thats a wasted spot

[@thoughtlesskills]

I just want a way to make the red dot go away. Need a 'Hide Siege' option

[@somefrankenstein7925]

my clan hasn't been doing well but I have a team that Has Islin in the stronghold and the enemy clan doesnt seem to have any strong people left to take him down

[@driftercloud3381]

I wish I was able to use all my clans attacks. It’s such a bad mode without cooperation. The milestone rewards that can be claimed should include a chance of 1-2 fragments instead of placing in the victory chest. The victory chest should be the artifacts quartz and avatar instead. I think this game mode will not be very successful due to the fact that clans have players that don’t want to add another mode to their stacked routine and schedule.

[@Deezy757]

The points from winning and loosing in fights is for your tier points not for your chest rewards the chest rewards are only gained from the buildings you destroy right now the cap is 5k.

[@MichaelQuick-f3m]

I bet the starting posts are in a rotation. I doubt they are always going to be 2,3, and 5.

[@RPSchonherr]

What you want to do is find the best path to the Stronghold anf the Mana towers. Don't waste attack scrolls on easy wins if they aren't in the shortest path.

[@Luzifer-rt5rd]

Im a leader of a small Casual player Clan and i have to say that this mode is baaaaaaad. very bad. First in Clans like us there are always some people who wont participate in it becuase they dont care or think they are too weak to do anything in it. second we gonna lose so much in the next few weeks/months until we are MAYBE finaly matched against clans that are about the same as our and that sucks even more. atm we are at tier 3 and the score is 920 vs 4450. almost our whole map is cleared out and even if we wanted to beat at least thier stronghold to get a draw (what should be possible if i remember correctly) wont happen because nobody cares or is too weak to beat the def teams. third you cant do anything by yourself. for those clans at the top its fine and ok but for lower/casual clans its just an frustrating game mode. all other clan things you can do something about. in CvC you can do a lot more points that you can win it, in hydra you can make higher dmg numbers to get some numbers in for the clash or even beating the boss for the rewards but in this game mode you cant do anything besides of using your atk srolls and watch how you gonna lose again and again and again...... For me this game mode is not balanced and absolutly overloaded with options. dont wanna think about the bonus stuff in a few months IF we gonna get even enough stuff for them..... i think it gonna forget about this mode for the next few months until we are at the bottom of the bottom.....

[@qbantuaren9245]

Can only use remach scrolls where u used attack scrolls once a mana shrine defense has been defeated any 1 can rebattle

[@jakezepeda1267]

The Whale Wars.

[@bradenmickan4789]

Conversely you forced a harima to be used. That player can only use that champ twice on attack

[@nerfmepls1]

Thanks I hate it.

[@martinbenson1555]

Our clan is 75m total power, we got matched with someone that has 300M power

[@Mr_Jonestha3rd]

Don't we have enough $h!t to do in this game without this mess of an event!

[@AIOXYZ]

why isnt matchmaking based off of clan player power my clan is fighting full level 100s like how are we supposed to clear/win

[@TFE134]

Agree this is a joke. Our opponent didn’t set much of a defense.

[@CrazyJ07]

Ok, hear me out…. What if everyone put in 1* Common Defenses and every clan clears everything every Siege? Who wins? 🤔. Kind of like the 1 champ defense strategy in Classic Arena…. Does everyone win then? If so, could the community band together and game the system?

[@DionysiusTW]

We got out against a clan a tier above us and got absolutely spanked, so that was fun. :/

[@Wolcik3000]

I was not aware that you lose points... this is R-ed

[@KidaleSmith]

What happen to the other guy with the crooked teeth?

[@HT-jj5sx]

The matchmaking is awful. Clans fighting others with 200-300% power, just a freaking joke. Bummer, coulda been fun, but Plarium had to do their thing and stick to their motto: "Better than nothing, but not by much!". The mode will be dead after this first run for me, which is a bummer, I really, really wanted to like it.

[@zachhaist6426]

We had a bad matchup with a clan over 100million more in power.....it did not go well. 410 mill vs 299 mill makes a big difference. Don't see this going to well, people will dump their clan to be in a better one. Their will be strong and weak clans, none in the middle anymore

[@SemNomeMorreYoutube]

Our clan is level 16 and we faced a clan also at level 16 (TIER 4). I won 3 and defended 3, we defended Sronghold once, we currently have 2600 points and we only have 1 team left to destroy the opponent's Stronghold.

[@martinnoel2895]

I like the game mode but was very disappointed in the match up facing a clan whit 75% more power then us… totally got crushed and barely made it to first reward only a few of us manage to put some wins

[@TheDarkVyers]

It's such a boring mode that took 3 years to give us a 4th version of arena (so you know its P2W) with new rules. All the limitations also hurt double if you're not a full clan (or have full participation) going up against a full clan. Just another mode to ignore like half the garbage they have shoveled out.

[@lordvader6058]

Totally disagree. Well not totally. It indeed is a form of Arena/PvP. However besides that, it is very different to what we already have and I really like it! The fact you are actually playing together with you clanmates against another clan (not just spending) and the fact it is bound to map where location matters is great!

[@stan4654]

And what were you expecting? Combination of Diablo and Total War? )))

[@dajansineoni7678]

@@lordvader6058 How are you playing together if Raid does not even have the minimum requirement to build up the 'together'-feeling? Nemly a way of communicating in an adequate manner for this?

[@lordvader6058]

@@dajansineoni7678By silent understanding;-)) Definately could be better if we where on Discord or alike, but at the same time would make it a LOT more time intensive as well. I guess it’s ones attitude. If you play for fun it’s actually fine. If you want to strategize in depth the game communication is not up for it and you need third party stuff. On the top level that’s actually almost always the case.

[@cavedog1279]

We did NOT need another gear set, and this one feels like perception with extra steps.

[@wiseguy5313]

Seems like they should have allowed a practice run against your own clan mates….

[@alicelaybourne1620]

I don't know if it is wise to set the first 3 defenses so high. Maybe that is a good Tier 6 strategy, but I think locking out teams from all rewards and nothing to do for 2 days will lead to frustration and mass revolt. But Tier 6 is different, so I like your idea of talking to folks in the the lower clans. That said, I still think it is poorly planned, poorly executed and regrettably bad rewards.

[@jonathanh4134]

don't forget to mention if we destroy enemy stronghold but they still have more points but can't destroy your stronghold match will still end in a draw in my opinion destroying stronghold needs to trump points enemy has and count as a win.

[@alexzavada]

Rubbish game mode.

[@dajansineoni7678]

You cannot use the Rebattle scrolls to actually attack...and in my reality with the last year of Plarium doing more to fill their purses than actually provide quality content...our clan members went from 30 activ ones down to 10...and I can imagine that is the case for many other clans as well...and I can also imagine all of those clan members will be very disappointed about the design of SIEGE. So we do not even need to think about even reaching mana shrines & stronghold..it is the one or other

[@UnpaidSeclusion]

Siege is lame so far, needs more work.... Only 3 attacks 🤦

[@samuellee1515]

3 attacks is enough. Some of our clan members did not get 1 attack in and we already destroyed everything on attack.

[@dajansineoni7678]

@@samuellee1515 now imagine a Clan not full...we are about 10 active members in our clan of which 2 are not intrested in the Siege. We have been placed against a Clan of slightly less powerful accounts...but they have 30 active members. As we couldn't fill all posts/towers, their low-level members (like lvl 40-50) captured all undefended posts...and we have lost due to this already. we have barely enough attacks at all to reach and defeat the Stronghold...not even thinking about mana shrines. One solution would be to turn down the number of poosts/towers due to the participating players and than put them against other clans with the same number of players, hopefully also of the same power level. But in this form, SIEGE is just boring, frustrating and a very poorly concepted addition to the game

[@madman4649]

Clan #12 against clan #655 right out of the gate sure makes me enjoy this game mode, NOT!!!! And there are worse matchups than that. Really looks like it was engineered to start the big spenders off on the right food by giving them easy wins.

[@boZo420_]

siege is the dumbest shit

[@muzzsteam2869]

Of course.. Plarium puts in a game mode that has poor matchmaking.. needs a lot of time to learn and understand.. , favours the whales and Krakens.. and increases the timesink with little reward in return.. and fun factor of course.. is negligeble.. Typical Plarium.. thankfully i didn't get my hopes up..🤨

[@Tyron-u9c]

me and my casual clan is far from touching this content thanks but no thanks good luck to the rest i guess this content is for whales i feel sorry for weaker clans

[@Sledgehuk]

Clan snooze no effort no coordination no careage lol for a champ that by the time I get will be power crept beyond belief and the rewards while being buffed are of no importance to me

[@jeflaw1996]

This is one of the dumbest battle royal features I’ve ever seen. In most other games, the battle royal fight lasts between a half hour to an hour. There is a defensive rampart that has to be destroyed to earn full points, and a defense leader that protects everyone in the clan until someone beats him. After the defense leader is beaten, you get to attack everyone in the opposing guild for the rest of the fight, and the team with the most points at the end of the battle wins. That’s all that Plarium needed to do. This event is overly complicated, and places smaller clans at a serious disadvantage.

[@IntooleranceRieg]

How ? How do you release such borring content after that many time to prepare it ? LOL. Borring PvP. Still no enjoyment taken in it, i'm glad at least its fast, even the loading screen were longer than my matchs. Compare that time to 3 team v 3 team LOL. lol LOL. When will they actually fixe the basement instead of doing an already broken roof ? This game have potential and we are still here because we like it, but i've probably never been in love with such a bad game. Lmao

[@grizzledsentinel4691]

The lag is ludicrous. It can take over 2 minutes for a win to show up and in the meantime it looks like nothing happened except you lost an attack scroll. Overall about as bad as I thought. I have zero idea why they don't just copy from more competently run games. Clash of clans had clan wars out AND updated to work better AND updated again to give losing clans a percentage of the rewards over 10 years ago. They literally could have just copied what clash does. I think you are way off base on how easy it is to clear everything. A lot of the defenses require multiple attack scrolls to get through (12 or 6, etc). Also, just as a data point, we were put in tier 1. We do around 4 billion damage in hydra clash. We do more in hydra than easily over 97.5% of clans out there. Really endgame folks tend not to understand what a small percentage of the player base they are. I mean, in hydra over 3 billion damage comes from 2 of us and we have 10 people who have cleared every rotation of hard doom tower for over 2 years now so they are pretty darn endgame. We also have lower level people since we don't have much in the way of requirements and figure it is a game we should all enjoy.

[@BrettStrife]

bad matchmaking

[@PieknyMarian]

I hate it. too complicated and too big