the smobcast: The Buster AOE Tier List (pt. 2) | EP. 69

[@thepersonwhocomentz]

Kuku is quickly becoming Otto's boogeyman alongside the mythical Koyan Dark buff lol

[@stingerredshock3418]

>ep 69 >Tiamilf on the thumbnail WOOOOOO

[@yeetme3032]

WOOOOOO

[@pingufan1239]

Karna is the perfect candidate to get a lore buff that’s actually gameplay relevant. Buff his second skill to 30% Buster for 3 turns, NP dmg changed to 1 time 3 turns, and add a special shield effect that reduces damage by 80% (his armor in lore does this) 3 times 3 turns. But if he uses his NP, each shield stack gets consumed for an extra %10 NP damage or smth

[@Gachaisheck]

Wait, so you're saying that my accidental np5 Ruler Artoria is actually useful and good? Biggest W of my life.

[@nestword5654]

tldr: Quick DPSs absolutely ate good this year, but Quick supports are still behind Art and Buster. FGO's gameplay relies heavily on supports and that's why people think "Quick is bad" despite it being not really true. With all the quick dps released (Monte Cristo, Kuonji Alice, Biscione...) and buffed (Kama, Baobhan Sith, Melt...) this past year , I definitely don't think quick team is underpower. However, I think the notion people have about "Quick being bad" is because for the longest time, they didn't release a new quick support or, buff old quick supports. The former was somewhat levitated with the coming of KazuraDrop and Louhi but that was a recent thing. And even then, they were more like sub-dps rather than a traditional supports (someone who only buffs your team and contributed little to no damage). Considering this game's heavy reliance on op supports, where you having meta supports (Castoria, Koyanskaya, Oberon) will completely changes the way you play the game, quick team just feels left out because of this. All we have is just Skadi and-... Skadi (Osakabehime would have been here if not for a fact that she's such a brick every time you put her in your team. Trust me, I tried. She can work in a team designed specifically for her, but then it wouldn't be a quick team, it'll be Osakabehime team). Don't even let me start on the F2P team building, I struggled every time I'm trying to build a quick budget team because of the lack of quick supports. Alexander and Zhang Jue are the only explicit quick f2p supports and they both are severely underpower. Not counting universal supports (like Hans for example), we can choose a plethora of art f2p supports (Xufu, Mozart, Paracelsus, Mary Anning, Boudica...) and a good decent amount of buster f2p supports (Chen Gong, Leonidas, Paul Bunyan,...) but we only have TWO mediocre quick f2p supports?? And then they even gave Asclepius and Phantom an AOE art up?? Really?? Where was this generosity with quick f2p supports? It's undeniable that the quick f2p support rosters are severely lacking, both in term of variety and power. Why can't we gave them some buffs like that? Which comes to my next point that I often have to use my quick dps with universal supports (Hans, Mata Hari, Ruler Da vinci, Santa Martha,...) and sometimes even Xu Fu (she's just that good, even with a quick dps) to build a team, and I don't find that very fun. Maybe that's the point of a quick team: You're supposed to mix your cards to get the best result, and playing like year one Jack the Ripper where you only click QQQ was a bad idea. I get it, but I just want Quick to stand on its own and have a set of supports for every playstyle like other card types. Why do we only have the option to go fast with Skadi? Why can't we go slow like we did with art and buster team? We already have Osakabehime for slow quick team and you just need to buff her to do that. You guys often say you don't want every card types to play the same, but Osakabehime team plays nothing like Castoria team or Merlin team, the reaction was a bit misplaced tbh. The only problem is that Osakabehime SUCKS in a quick team and they haven't buff her for years, leaving quick in the dust, as usual. *Copium* one day when Osakabehime + quick dps + Skadi team was actually viable, where Osakabehime's np can heal and block the boss's normal attack, and Skadi's np can block the boss's np *Copium*. The only problem is that there's no way you can get both Osakabehime and Skadi to np the second time *Sadge*

[@0ReRevolver]

If that dps were art or buster would be better. Being quick is a disadvantage

[@Jay-n8e4w]

Honestly meta supports are whatever these days I’d much prefer they keep going the route of making multi core units like Louhi since 90++ and beyond is the meta now.

[@CogitoErgoTsun]

The world doesn't need a quick Merlin. Osakabehime will become quick's Constantine. Himeji Castle will never fall!

[@vfactor95]

I think more people would use a quick Merlin than you think. I understand from your perspective (people who play the game at the highest level, you guys shouldn't have to pretend like you don't) such a unit may not do anything but plenty of people like to play slow even if they character or card type they're building a team around doesn't want to. I don't think it should be made to be as good as Arts/Buster - total homogeneity of playstyle between card types would take away from the game and more powercreep is the last thing we need right now. But I think there's room allow for nonoptimal playstyles especially given that this is a single player game. Personally speaking, it would be cool if I could take melt into a story quest and play it slow to enjoy the music and the fight generally without feeling like I have to gimp my team to do so. Love the podcast as always, keep it up!

[@PlushieMistress]

I mean then castoria is alr effective in slow play for quick. Quick is a cardtype that excels in utilizing all their cards instead of just focusing on one like buster or arts so “none quick buffing” supports still work well with them.

[@pingufan1239]

@@PlushieMistressyeah but you can make a quick support that endorses slower play while doing something cool or unique compared to Castoria. It’s just fun to have different ways to play.

[@vfactor95]

@@PlushieMistress You're correct but it's about the feels - I do use castoria right now if I want to slow play quick but it doesn't _feel_ good. I don't know if this makes sense but I think it's possible to release a quick support that encourages slow play that would actually be worse than castoria for quick teams but still make people happier fielding in a quick team. Also I think reducing potency of throwing Castoria in any comp is good, I don't think they're even gonna release something that tops her (at least I hope not) but I think the game just improves overall if we see a reduction in her usage. Since nerfing her is pretty much off the table I think more competition is the only other option.

[@andreicalegari1837]

​@@pingufan1239closest we have is hime, but i'd rather see a Quick Tamamo instead of Quick Merlin.

[@nightshrine4257]

Time to watch my favorite 5 hour long debate on how much Plushie hates old school buster aoe units 49:33 There we go 59:30 1:09:32 Our Demon King Nobu getting the praise she deserves Also I think there was that one JP channel that uses her to like beat most of the content in the game so it's pretty much correct 1:14:02 I love how people would show how she couldn't kill the final wave of the daily exp map at np5 and saying how worthless she was Also the thing about Plushie's comment, cost efficient players could use Lancer Elizabeth and still get a huge boost enough for the female dps to kill the raid Looking at Takeda Shingen today, I feel like he could've been the Richard of Riders and be a usable crit monster at someway, a trait not a lot of Riders have especially Aoe it's mostly just Ivan and Achilles, tho I don't like Achilles as a dps, because of Ivan's existence he just seems relevant. Ivan's crit dps is surprisingly high cuz of his high Buster buffs even without the anti traits 3:36:22 Plushie is gay for Bhima confirmed 4:15:43 and KuKu

[@luis99tv]

🤨🏳️‍🌈?

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

Bro is just like me, listen the entire podcast and enjoys the complaining

[@lordcotillion846]

4:16:40 Koyan light’s np animation tank appears in LB7, she explains where it came from.

[@elcazador3349]

A quick Merlin would be funny though

[@pingufan1239]

I think you mean “pt 2” in the title

[@MrKingHyena]

It's actually pt 3 but they paired it with a Koyan Light

[@troykv96]

Oberon is such a good character, but yeah, if you're just starting the game, Waver is unironically a more appealing choice (specially because his defense buffs are actually huge in the early game) to start beating the game. For Oberon to start to be great, you need to start getting the tools to be able to Loop, and outside of getting even more 5 Star Supports (that is the only way to do Loops with Buster and Quick), the sooner you're could be able to do it is when you start getting F2P Supports that help you with gains and stuff (like say Xu Fu or Paracelsus post buff, for some random example)

[@andreicalegari1837]

I'd say Waver is better at the start because he works well at 1/1/1

[@troykv96]

@@andreicalegari1837 Indeed, the gains from his skill at Ascension 3 without anything else is already a selectable 30% and two party 10% Upgraping the skills only increases the numbers of the damage/defense and reduces the CD, which is very cool, but not as essential as the easy NP Gauge. Waver is just so convenient for early game and is probably the best thing you can get at that point besides freaking Castoria (which is literally the best Servant in the game).

[@Finalslashes]

Man this might just been the nicest smobcast episode yet

[@temyar55]

Can't wait for the Single Target list.

[@finisherm0ve]

Thank you for the early lunar new year Otto! And 新年快乐 for Plushie!🥳

[@morimurabito]

3:49:15 it looks like the second stage on contra

[@justkite2139]

puttin arcuied so low is crazy

[@rafaelbastos8713]

10:20 Questionable argument in my opinion. Min turning capabilities are also based on how invested in that unit you are. A slow but consistent arts team will always be more reliable than trying to min turn with NP1 Quick units. Some people, like myself, prefer to get few copies, but more servants im general ( in my case mostly because i'm broke XD). In these cases, Quick will always be worse

[@papierre9287]

It's like when some content creator say don't roll for them they are permanent, so rolling on their banner is less attractive, like what? I got like 2 SSR spook in 4 years of playing FGO. If you want that servant roll for them.

[@PlushieMistress]

You dont have to min turn with quick, you just kill them quickly. Even at Np1 units like melt, kama, biscione, monte cristo do a shit ton of damage.

[@harushion]

To add on abit more info on the Napoleon dislike, there definitely are a bunch of peoples that are expecting historical "short" Napoleon only to get smack in the face by Shonen Protag Napoleon and got turn off by this take/portrayal of him.

[@ilmaripajola4387]

Ivan and Cleo for me will be at least 3, cuz i don’t hate them for no reason and appreciate their top tier performance in their class with ability to FARM and clear CQs!!! If you say that they are boring then 90% of other servants are even more boring LOL! + My np3 Cleo on NA obviously doesn’t have the recent buff, yet she is my go to AOE assassin since here release (and i dont have only Semiramis and Huyan Zhuo which i did try out few times).

[@Grizzle2894]

Lol they said "boring" so many times in this video. I swear it's like if a servant isn't doing 9 things per skill then they're just boring now.

[@RyouEmerald]

They don't do anything special though. They work, and you can use them, but they aren't unique or doing anything above average, or the things they do above average are dragged down by their negatives. They're just... Normal. Thats why they're in the area with all the perfectly fine and usable servants.

[@ilmaripajola4387]

@@RyouEmerald Unique is not always good, for example Stheno is unique. And what negatives do you have in mind, something like assassin class having negative dmg multiplier or something? + don’t forget to scale everything to the current game difficulty.

[@morsayxd]

aside abby , shingen and artoria lancer being too low and morgan too high imo , i think that is a good list

[@TheStuffEnjoyer]

Part 2 buster aoe list you mean Edit: Nice to see the title jas been fixed Otto~(⁠ ͡⁠°⁠ ͜⁠ʖ⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)

[@LCooler91]

It’s sad people can only min turn by using bond 15 koya, Oberon, castoria…

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

3:25:40 cause he deserves those

[@poke_dragon24]

Quick is bad cause no one uses Quick cards, even when using a Quick unit. The problem doesn't come from Looping, it comes from Quick being ment for consistent crits in a game where crits are inherently inconsistent. The biggest problem is Koyan making Buster crits more consistent than some Quick unit's crits. Mighty Chains didn't make Quick good, they made Quick NPs good cause you'll make enough stars and then you just use Arts and Buster for NP gain and damage. Summer Skadi just made things worse by making Quick's star gen irrelevant. And Ryou's point about only considering game balance at top level is stupid, forcing people to adopt a playstyle they don't like will only make them quit. I don't care about TAs or Challenge Runs, let me spam Quick cards and snowball through sudostall. But I can't cause no Quick support has any sort of consistent team protection. Base Skadi has no self damage buffs except the defense down, so you never want to touch her cards, and Summer Skadi, who does have self damage buffs has 0 team protection. To actually play the game for more than 5 turns with a Quick unit basically requires you use a different card types support. Overall, Quick is bad cause it was supposed to have the lowest base, but highest ceiling, but over time Arts and Buster's base got put only a little under Quick's ceiling.

[@0ReRevolver]

quick too is Bad for their Bad suports, skady is almost obsolet and ruler is more buster support than quick, and no one is useful for guard in cq or has a real solution for quick

[@Founder_of_Morgans_Fanclub]

​@@0ReRevolverWay to say that you've never used Quick.

[@0ReRevolver]

@@Founder_of_Morgans_Fanclub You say nothing

[@Founder_of_Morgans_Fanclub]

@@0ReRevolver quick has way higher NP damage than either buster or arts because Skadi/Kazuradrop have significantly stronger steroids than Koyanskaya or Castoria. Card wise, the damage isn't as high as Buster but it's still incredibly high. Dps quality also isn't any weaker than buster/arts on the ST front, although AoE lags behind due to the lack of NP upgrades.

[@0ReRevolver]

@Founder_of_Morgans_Fanclub quick s*cks. Are Bad in refund, for that are bads in 90++ at least that would be really strong unit as Alice or louhi. For cq can't stand for long time and no one quick support has effects to Stay for long time as Merlin or altria, for this quick dps need be supported by another color supports. Nothing want used quick card to attack, is better have effects of Star bomb that spend your attacks with quick cards. What changed with Rskady? quick continue being the worst card, the normal quick card are the weakest and You only want the stars to do critics with art or buster

[@caiossauro4983]

Funny number episode

[@LiterallyWhomstve]

Arc sweep

[@dfih1592]

69... nice

[@merry6920]

kuku

[@Dorrovian]

Arcueid is clearly in +4. There might have been discussion before new Appends, but now she should be there no questions asked.

[@akshatkumar7938]

Why? She can't crit and chaotic is not a good niche for wave clear (good for bosses/boss enemies in farmng)

[@Dorrovian]

@@akshatkumar7938 Extremely fast normal single-core clears (doesn't need to use plugsuit at all even in single core while still using damage Mystic Code, she is as fast as Arts Servants and has short NP animation), extremely flexible in multicore setups, great damage if you do full plugsuit setup (Melusine level without Chaotic mod, with mod on NP5 only Kukulkan against Earth Threat to humanity is better AoE Buster, which is like 6 Servants in the game), good CQ options in addition to farming. Chaotic is actually very good niche for farming. She is one of the most used Servants in 90++ clears and can even single core most of them (I think at this point there were 1-2 90++ nodes in Global she couldn't single core... Summer and one of lottery event ones).

[@Reina12222]

​@@Dorrovian arc is not +4. she close to +4. As you can see from the +4 servant they either the best at something(support, damage, utility, multicore,single core crit) or mix of them. Making them stand out or meta kukulkan crazy damage from crit and np, also crazy surviviability Tonelico the same, instead of crit she have irreplaceable utility melusine single target arts+aoe buster, that pierce invul very nice utility, 140 charge that also crit hard Arjuna alter, still one of the highest damage buster np also crit very hard Morgan basicly unkillable with castoria, and merlin Oberon is the support Koyan is buster support

[@Dorrovian]

@ Arcueid is best at dealing Buster AoE damage against Chaotic, has fastest and most flexible farming options of all busters Servants, is best Buster (alongside Aesc) in multicore and is only Buster SSR that can 3T farm with Black Grail and 2 Koyanskayas without swap. That part is especially important as counterargument - she literally has capabilities that no other Servant in game has on sensible level (please don't try to do that with Caster Cu. Seriously don't hurt yourself). Also your argument about "being unique" and Morgan being part of Immortal team are contradictory, Morgan isn't only and isn't even the best damage dealer in immortal comp. There are at least 4-5 other Servants that operate there on the same level as she or better.

[@Rahdwiin]

@@DorrovianWe are in 2025, being able to use 2 Koyanskayas without swap is useless. You won't have the damage to do 90++, and you shouldn't be doing anything else. If your comp can't do 90++, it's an useless comp.

[@TheStuffEnjoyer]

I'm shocked that there weren't as many *"69"* jokes to commemorate Episode 69. Shocked I tell you!~(⁠ ͡⁠°⁠ ͜⁠ʖ⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)