The Songs That Invented Thrash (w/Martin Popoff)

Join Pete Pardo & Martin Popoff for a discussion of songs recorded between 1970-1983 that helped shape & invent thrash metal. #thrashmetal #thrash #earlythrashmetal
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[@bubbadagger]

There was a NY hard-core compilation from 1981 called NEW YORK THRASH which had Bad Brains, Beastie Boys etc on it, and I would argue early Bad Brains had fully formed thrash metal songs by that point

[@ronaldwilliams2456]

Good point.

[@ryanjacobson2508]

I've never heard that stuff, but I have heard fast as a shark and EVERY 80's "thrash" band worshipped that song.

[@0KT0BER]

Good call on BB. There are always outliers that are forgotten or glossed over, over here in England the first Charged G.B.H album was 81 and also Discharge released a live album without a preceding studio album in 81. Edit: And there you go I totally forgot Scotlands The Exploited.

[@DokkenSabbath]

Deep Purple - Fireball Motorhead - Overkill KISS - Parasite Queen - Stone Cold Crazy Aerosmith - Rats in the Cellar Aerosmith - Toys in the Attic Black Sabbath - Symptom of the Universe Judas Priest - Exciter Judas Priest - Dissident Aggressor Blast - Damned Flame The Sweet - Set Me Free Exciter - Cry of the Banshee Accept - Fast as a Shark Motley Crue - Live Wire Twisted Sister - Tear It Loose Motorhead - Ace of Spades Riot - Fire Down Under Scorpions - Virgin Killer KISS - Makin' Love Discharge - Hear Nothing, See Nothing, Say Nothing AC/DC - Let There Be Rock Saxon - 20,000 Feet Iron Maiden - Purgatory, Drifter, Killers Rainbow - Kill the King Queen - Sheer Heart Attack Judas Priest - Rapid Fire Van Halen - Loss of Control Diamond Head - Helpless Anvil - 666 Venom - Live Like an Angel, Die Like a Devil

[@scottricci5063]

Yep, those are all faster songs, plus AC/DC Kicked In The Teeth and Beating Around The Bush

[@tylerpatterson4787]

Rush Bastille Day

[@treff9226]

I felt good all over just reading your list🤘🤘🤘🎸🎸🎸 Fast and loose is how I prefer to go deaf and your list violates every speed limit known to man! Bang thy head that doesn't bang😁😁😁 thanks, Spencer!

[@johnsoos6907]

So glad to see you included Set Me Free, by Sweet!

[@Rextum]

These pre-thrash or proto-thrash songs are probably my all time favorites: melodic enough to sound pleasing to my ear, yet fast and evil enough to quicken my pulse🤘🏻 I especially enjoy Priest, Maiden, Sabbath, Kiss, Motörhead, Accept and Sweet on the list!

[@stephenbrown4211]

I had the chance to be a Roadie for the day for Motorhead back in the early eighties. After seven hours of hauling and setting up the gear, Eagle told me and another guy to hang around. Sure enough Lemmy walks in, gets the bar open and asks us to join him for a pint or four. During the conversation he starts talking about some bands he liked. He told us to watch out for a band that were louder and faster than Motorhead and he predicted they would be bigger than them. That band was Metallica

[@Duality_of_Man]

That is so fucking cool

[@tonyn3227]

No one mentioned speed king Intro and speed king, from deep purple in rock cd. That is pure thrash from 1970.

[@tmc1054]

Blackmore played a role with Speed King and again later with Kill the King.

[@scottgrace1029]

The whole punk scene was not discussed. It clearly was fast and preceded thrash.

[@AlexAlexon3897]

@@scottgrace1029: It was touched on quite briefly, or at least The Sex Pistols were. But I agree, it was a big influence.

[@AlexAlexon3897]

TMC: Spot-on. Blackmore is wilfully ignored most of the time.

[@Nissardpertugiu]

​@@scottgrace1029 steve jones was a fan of Purple

[@neuroisis85]

I feel like those Blackmore tracks are more an influence on Speed and Power Metal than Thrash.

[@alternativepreacher4516]

Bad Brains's first album definitely influenced thrash. Discharge as well. And of course Damaged by Black Flag. Hardcore punk is essential to thrash.

[@colico14]

Minor Threat and Dead Kennedys!

[@independenceltd.]

Sweet - Set Me Free Rainbow - Kill the King

[@jasonrandell6523]

Set Me Free by Sweet. The tempo and riffs...actually the whole song.

[@normangeleri1522]

Right after watching the video I ran the comment section and put my word in about Set Me Free and then a couple of comments down I saw your comment way to go

[@philjm3103]

@@normangeleri1522 It's a great song, and was actually played on Planet Rock last night! I remember hearing this for the first time back in the 70s. What a band!

[@normangeleri1522]

It wasn't speed metal but it was very heavy a song called cockroach by sweet love that song

[@breakaleg10]

Sweet F A is a good example as well, even though it's a bit slower

[@normangeleri1522]

If you like sweet you probably like the band Angel they are still touring in their 70s and they put out a new album a few years ago you should check some of the songs out two good ones are we were the wild and lost and lonely by Angel

[@godetonter4764]

Dust - Learning To Die and Nazareth - Night Woman were 2 of the first Thrash Metal songs. My 1970s Proto Thrash Metal list Amboy Dukes - Prodigal Man 1969 Sir Lord Baltimore - Pumped Up 1970 Pink Floyd - the Nile Song 1969 UFO - 🛸 Silver Bird 1971 the Doors - Not to Touch the Earth 1968 Led Zeppelin - Achilles Last Stand 1977 Montrose - I've Got the Fire - Matriarch Rush - What You Doing 1974 Legs Diamond - Underworld King 1979 Riot - Warrior 1977 Dirty Tricks - Night Man 1976 Rainbow - Tarot Woman - Kill the King - Danger Zone - Snakecharmer Budgie - Nude Dissintigrating Parachute Woman

[@pvdguitars2951]

From the seventies, we have to include: Sweet : Set me free and Sweet FA Uriah Heep : bird of prey UFO : lights out and rock bottom Foghat : honey hush Ram Jam : runway runaway Deep Purple: Highway star and speed king

[@kevinpeterson6468]

Off the top of my head Stone Cold Crazy sounds like early thrash to me

[@wolf1977]

But with melody & good vocals, that's what makes it 'proto-thrash' & to me sets it apart from later 'actual' thrash metal. Also no double bass drums. Q magazine described it as "thrash metal before the term was invented"

[@angelomicciche3044]

Also love Martin’s other pick, Modern Times Rock n Roll. And Ogre Battle on Queen II.

[@mrbrick5907]

I would throw in Van Halen's 'Loss of control'

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

Funny enough that was VH taking the p*ss out of punk rock.

[@xTheSpoilerx]

Just look at any thrash metal magazine in the 80s and you can see hardcore punk's influence just based on apparel alone haha. Just a quick glance at old Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and Slayer photos from their golden years and you will see them wearing shirts of Discharge, The Misfits, Mass Appeal, English Dogs, Septic Death, Life Sentence, GBH, Gastunk, SNFU, DRI, Dead Kennedys, Necros, MDC, Broken Bones etc etc...and we're talking some pretty obscure bands to have shirts of today, let alone be sporting them around in the early 80's. I think i saw them wearing shirts of hardcore punk bands more than i did of early heavy metal or NWOBHM bands.

[@heavenhelp1982]

ACCEPT - Fast As a Shark. That one always comes to mind and preceded the Thrash movement by at least a year.

[@crossroader71]

May Blitz-For Mad Men Only High Tide- Futilist's Lament

[@kamranmalik8546]

Stone Cold Crazy Fireball Symptom of the Universe

[@markc.2824]

Would also say Hardcore Punk def had an influence in the Thrash Metal sound. Discharge, Exploited, MDC, to name just a few...Great show, as always.

[@apparaoapparao]

Absolutely. I’d add DRI’s 1983 LP. Extremely fast.

[@Ninjabadger76]

Absolutely Jeff Hanneman from slayer was a huge fan of that scene

[@henryurbach7973]

Dead Kennedys were quite influential or inspirational

[@neuroisis85]

Yea you can't have Thrash without Hardcore Punk.

[@petebrown3715]

Punk had a good influence on early thrash like Black Flag, G.B.H., Suicidal Tendencies, Dead Kennedys, , Discharge, Exploited. For 70's metal don't forget Scorpions, UFO ( with Michael Schenker) etc. Great episode gents. I so look forward to this each week.

[@andrewrobinson2934]

Great episode. I thought Speed King might get a mention when discussing early 70s Purple

[@macseinchin]

Secret of the Dance - Gillan Purgatory - Iron Maiden Red and the Black - Blue Oyster Cult Let us Prey - Judas Priest Kill the King - Rainbow

[@nebbyscumbold]

Stone Cold Crazy.

[@bubbadagger]

Sweet - Set me Free and Sweet FA from 74

[@mikeb.7183]

Fast as a Shark was the first definitive "Thrash" song. IMHO Everything up to that point had parts and pieces but nothing like that

[@geoffbanton4049]

Correct! All together now ‘hi de hi doh hi dah hi de hi doh hi dah….

[@godetonter4764]

@@geoffbanton4049 Checkout Cirith Ungol - Death of the Sun from the first Metal Massacre, Saxon - To Hell and Back , Accept - Starlight, Jaguar - Dutch Connection, Raven - Wiped Out, Fist - Brain Damage, Venom - Blood Lust, Bitch - Live For the Whip, Manilla Road - Invasion, and Motorhead - White Negro Flies 1977

[@godetonter4764]

@@geoffbanton4049 You coined the term NWOBHM for Sounds Magazine in 1979? Autocorrect changed White Line Fever to White Negro Flies. That was bizarre

[@gobeethoth]

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[@gobeethoth]

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[@bubbadagger]

BAD BRAINS debut in 81

[@jaimeres]

Sweet F.A., Set Me Free. Sweet. Kill The King. Rainbow. Those were the first that came to mind.

[@ronaldwilliams2456]

The term thrash was being used by hardcore punk bands in the Eighties to describe their music. I think the metal people borrowed it from the punkers. I remember hearing my punk friends using the term quite a bit.

[@wolf1977]

I've read that the term "thrash metal" was first coined in relation to music to apply to Anthrax in the early 80's. The punk connection makes perfect sense (to me) too

[@ronaldwilliams2456]

@@wolf1977 I only mention it because I was going to hardcore shows and I remember the word being used a lot. We'll never know for sure, I reckon.

[@gilesglossop5071]

I love Martin's analogy of thrash being like lifting up the bonnet of a car and admiring the intricacies of the engine. He is quite possibly the only ever existing example of the 'heavy metal intellectual' or even a philospher on the subject! Magnificent.

[@220volt74]

I realy like episodes like these. You learn a bit of history, get inspired and discover new songs.

[@shaunfulton7261]

It was Malcolm Dome from Kerrang! who used the term 'Thrash' for the first time.

[@MrZenkman]

Great episode! A couple of songs that were missed from the 70’s would be Nazareth- Razamanaz and Sweet- Set me Free.

[@angelomicciche3044]

Sweet- good call!

[@bubbadagger]

Ya ! Sweet FA and set me free to name 2

[@johna8973]

no BÖC ? and the Ramones most definitely WERE an influence

[@soylentgreendip]

Definitely Razamataz. Too me it's definitely the first thrash song. A lot of Americans really missed the boat on Nazareth.

[@ilovevinyl620]

Accept - Fast as a Shark Saxon - Heavy Metal Thunder Black Sabbath - Symptom of the Universe Motörhead - The Hammer Judas Priest - Rapid Fire Venom - Don't burn the Witch Mercyful Fate- - Evil

[@Nissardpertugiu]

There s a lot of songs in Deep Purple that are thrashy, not just the riffs, but the drums. Speed Kings, Flight of the rat, Hard Lovin man, Fireball, Highway star, Burn, Lady double dealer

[@AndrewCarterBaker]

The guitar "gallop" of Nazareth's cover of This Flight Tonight as well as Heart's Barracuda could be considered an essential ingredient in what became metal/thrash

[@ronbo11]

And Zeppelin's "Immigrant Song" was a big influence on both songs you mentioned. I don't know if it's mentioned since I just started the video. ***Edit*** Pete just mentioned "Immigrant Song" - cool!

[@inmyhouse11]

Raz ama Naz was a heavy kick ass track for 1973.

[@petegreenfield3645]

I believe it was the late Malcom Dome of Kerrang who first coined the term Thrash..

[@MofosOfMetal]

RIP Malcolm, yeah I remember learning that when he passed and people kept mentioning 'he's the guy who invented the term Thrash Metal'.

[@jwilliams3835]

Lady Whiskey- Whisbone Ash

[@godetonter4764]

The first Thrash Metal song was the original fast chaotic version of Death of the Sun that appeared alongside Metallica - Hit the Lights on Metal Massacre 1981. Even Metallica admit that Cirith Ungol were even faster

[@Morbidous]

Motörhead - Overkill and Venom - Witching Hour and specially Black Metal are obvious choices, but Misfits also made their contribution with Earth A.D.

[@impalaman9707]

We REALLY have to go back to the 60s! Without a doubt--"Doctor Please" by Blue Cheer was the first thrash metal song from 1967. Followed up quickly by MC5 "Black To Comm". and the very best proto thrasher of all---The Stooges "I Gotta Right"!

[@danieldemetrio6474]

Some hardcore punk songs could also be mentioned. Songs like "Protest and Survive" by Discharge brought things to the table that older metal bands did not, influencing metal bands after that, more than just influencing "attitude".

[@alessandroneri8929]

Unbelievable vídeo Mr Pardo and Poppof. So entertaining and thinkfull... That's why SOT and The Contrarians are amazing music YT safe and respectfull Channels.

[@metaloutlaw62]

I love these kinds of topics. Let's not forget Belgium's Acid, The first album from 83 predates Exciter Heavy metal maniac. and Metallica - Kill em all. Songs like the title track, Anvill and Heaven's Devils. I think their second album Maniac from the same year is a bit tighter. You have Max Overload, Bottoms up, Lucifera. I would also throw Torch debut album from 83 songs like Watchers of the Night and Hatchet man. I know Martin likes that album. It would be cool to see a show about more obscure early 80's metal. Great show Pete and Martin.

[@keithwatkins7908]

What about before 1970, "Seven and Seven Is" by Love from 1966, a great galloping riff?!

[@impalaman9707]

Here's a couple more thrashers from 1966: there's one Jeff Beck was doing with the Yardbirds--"I Ain't Done Wrong"--or maybe "Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere" by the Who

[@theclassicrockjunkie7353]

Great video and topic !

[@jeffrose8632]

1983. Thin Lizzy. Cold sweat.

[@johnw.mcintosh4740]

Yes- Heart of the Sunrise for speed and intensity. Also, Barracuda by Heart and Let it Ride by BTO are both earlier examples of the gallop that Iron Maiden are famous for.

[@stephaneherringtoniowritin4986]

Great insightful synopsis of the genre,well done chaps!🤟💯🎅

[@Rextum]

Great episode, very cool topic, brilliant picks!😎🤘🏻

[@angelomicciche3044]

Sheer Heart Attack is credited as being Queen’s response to Punk.

[@pitanguirj]

Great content, guys. Long live thrash

[@magnu75]

How about Maelstrom by GIllan from 1981 & Amon Duul III Burundi Drummer's Nightmare from 1982?

[@zigmonger6646]

As i was reading the comments I was thinking about the Gillan song and how I'm going to have to post it... but now that I see you've mentioned it well let me just say I agree that Ian Gillan track the Maelstrom should be at the top of the list especially towards the end when his vocal gets all crazy....but here in America that track like most Gillan solo tracks aren't well known.... unfortunately

[@magnu75]

@@zigmonger6646I've actually been thinking that a lot of the Gillan era material fits into this particular genre, not just because of their slightly punk sound driven tracks, and also the way their albums are mixed, but also the musicianship is a very different style of heaviness which is very different to Gillan's previous projects (including Purple), and seems much more fitting with the punk ethos of the time.

[@submaster_7621]

I’m looking forward to the Clutch episode, Pete. 😁

[@travb3075]

Ghengis Khan off Killers is very thrash. I've always thought Warrior off Thin Lizzy's Jailbreak sounds like Megadeth

[@wallac11]

Great episode. Other early examples of thrash precursors are TV Eye by The Stooges(especially the middle section) and Supernaut by Sabbath. Thrash was also a term for some early eighties hardcore bands. The Misfits Earth AD was described as thrash or thrashcore. Also you cannot underestimate the influence of Discharge's Hear Nothing, See nothing, Say Nothing album on early thrash bands. I did a four part series of the history of thrash metal on my channel.

[@dwill1970]

I would have to mention the song extermination day from Angel Witch that song was originally demoed in mid 70s and it's thrash personified it sounds like a megadeth song and this is 1977,1978👍

[@mannyruiz1954]

Great episode. I might include Queen- Ogre Battle, early Van Halen with those lightning fast, boogie riffs.

[@karenlindsay6253]

King crimson...larks tongue in aspect....heavy duty..

[@kevinturchin]

Great episode and loved the little impromptu Metallica talk. And oh yes I always love a mention of Savage- Loose n Lethal, a NWOBHM masterpiece.

[@finslaw]

Blue Oyster Cult's speedier songs deserve a mention, like Hot Rails to Hell. However, for pre-1970 you have Come and Get It by Blue Cheer which sounds to my ears like metal meets punk.

[@garyaeh1878]

Always enjoy Friday at the fun house, I think Triumph's rock n roll machine fits this blue print for thrash. Also, a topic I think would be a good idea is " soul stirring moments". Those songs that grab you and just pull in. For example for me a couple would be Pink Floyd's The Great Gig In The Sky or the Stone's Can't You Hear Me Knockin'. Thanks again guys.

[@ficheetah3700]

What about Glam? There' also 20th Cententury Boy by Bolan and Queen Bitch by Bowie.

[@alder456]

Cheers Pete and Martin. You are right Martin, My favorite Sabbath song Children of the Grave. Unlike other overplayed early Sabbath classics I could listen to that song everyday. So cool. Second pick Sweet-Ballroom Blitz. Maybe parts of No You Don't and Sweet FA. Third pick Rush-Bastille Day. Minus the chorus. Maybe Anthem too.

[@lateramae]

Black Sabbath's "Symptom of the Universe," Queen's "Stone Cold Crazy," AC/DC's "Let There Be Rock," and Aerosmith's "Rats in the Cellar."

[@captainbeyond7469]

I’d jump back to Deep Purple In Rock with Flight of the Rat and Hard Lovin Man.

[@olivierpease8108]

Thanks for this show gents. Totally agree with you about Anvil Martin. Other thrashy songs on these 2 albums : jackhammer, motormount or butter-bust jerky.

[@williamwalker146]

Fantastic episode! I think the pioneering songs of thrash is kind of the same as the pioneering songs of speed metal, there's really little distinction in the 1970s. 1970-1974: "Hard Lovin' Man" by Deep Purple "Hell Hound" by Sir Lord Baltimore (great call by Pete) "Children of the Grave" by Black Sabbath "Set Me Free" by Sweet "In For the Kill" by Budgie "Parasite" by Kiss "Stone Cold Crazy" by Queen 1975-1979 probably something from Sabotage "Dissident Aggressor" by Judas Priest "He's a Woman-She's a Man" by Scorpions (I remember Dave Mustaine saying once how huge of an influence Taken by Force was on him) Riot's Rock City "Exciter" by Judas Priest "Kill the King" by Rainbow "Through the Night" by Axe (great underground speed metal piece) first three Motorhead albums (songs like "Overkill" and "Bomber") "The Wall" by Squadran (another great underground thrash metal tune) "Lady Lou" by Accept 1980-1983 I thought they covered everything on that really well. Motorhead, Accept, Venom, Anvil, Raven, Exciter.

[@theclassicrockjunkie7353]

Got my copy of the Zep book, excellent Martin !

[@chrismorgan7494]

Dave Edmunds 1969 version of Sabre Dance is easily the first Thrash recording.

[@macseinchin]

Listening is believing.

[@purpletemple1]

Some honorable mentions: Chicken Shack-Cryin' Won't Help You Now (1972). Heavy, dirty track. The Bob Seger System-Tales of Lucy Blue (1969). The drummer's going full-on double bass drum for a good bit of the track. Not saying those purposefully influenced Thrash, but they're good examples of early Thrash-like music. Cheers.

[@andymudrock322]

Hey guys. I'm going to go back just a little further than 1970 for thrash origins. 1-SGT. PEPPERS LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND (reprise) (1967) 2-EVERYBODY'S GOT SOMETHING TO HIDE EXCEPT FOR ME AND MY MONKEY (Beatles White Album 1968) 3-HELTER SKELTER (Beatles White Album 1968)

[@soylentgreendip]

Nazareth's song Razamataz from 1973 is the first thrash metal song. No and if's or buts. A lot of Americans (and Martin) missed the boat on Nazareth. One of the great bands of the 1970's and beyond.

[@stephenblake2196]

Nice!!! YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT TECHNICAL STYLES IN DRUMMERS AND BASSPLAYERS AND GUITAR PLAYING DUEL ATTACK EVEN TRIPLE!!! INVENTIVE AND THE ARRANGEMENT IN SONG WRITING IN GENERAL!! OFF THE CHARTS !! NEVER HEARD BEFORE, NEWLY DISCOVERED TONES AND SOUND !! NEVER MIND TECHNOLOGY IN EQUIPMENT!!! WOW!! THE LATE 70'S AND THREW OUT THE 80'S ! ROCK ARTISTS AND THEI MUSIC WAS TAKEN TO ANOTHER LEVEL!! TRULY AMAZING MUSICIANS CAME FROM THAT DECADE!! UNMATCHED TILL THIS DAY!! VOCALIST WERE INSANE!! ALONG WITH WELL WRITTEN LYRICS?? TO ME VARIETY IN THE 80'S AND THE POOL OF TALENTED MUSICIANS WAS THE KEY IN WHY THE MUSIC STANDS TODAY TIMELESS MUSICALLY!!! WOW!! Looking back it was the MOST INPORTANT TIME IN ROCK. MUSIC AND HOW IT PROGRESSED??? IT CHANGED OVER NIGHT ?? LIKE THE 90'S BUT THE 90'S WEREN'T INVENTIVE IN FACT THE .MUSIC BECAME STALE AND BORING AGAIN??

[@iangeddes9055]

They mentioned Diamond head saw them last week with Saxon ,Am I evil went down great with crowd and Saxon were phenomenal .

[@scarfface24]

The term “thrash metal” was first used by the late Malcolm Dome (in Kerrang!).

[@hamesparde9888]

I seem to remember watching an interview where Dave Mustaine said that he really liked the guitar tone on the intro to killers.

[@ficheetah3700]

Punk discussion is interesting. Really, the toneless vocals, speed, aggression and garage feel ("open high hat") does crossover with metal, but the subgenres have more of a shared history with garage or even proto-punk like Stooges & MC5. Germs, Adolescents, early Bad Brains, etc.. are pure speed and attitude. The interesting thing is when those branches start to crossover with Suicidal Tendencies, DRI, etc. By the mid 80s, American hardcore punk (including California pop punk or even later Bad Brains) was basically all metal guitar tones and riffs. The non-metal stuff became Indie/Alternative/college rock but even that later crossed over again (Nirvana, Melvins, Soundgarden).

[@wildmansteve5451]

Genesis’ Dancing With The Moonlit Knight from 1973 has the instrumental breakdown that sounds thrash to me. But really only that one part.

[@jeffreyrobinson9120]

I would mention the songs "Under my Wheels" and "You Drive Me Nervous" from Alice Cooper`s "Killer" album as well as "Kick Out The Jams" from The MC5 and "Killing Floor" from The Stooges. The role of punk can`t be overstated when it comes to the origins of thrash. Bands like Black Flag, Husker Du, The Sex Pistols and Death( the three brothers from Detroit) were all very influential.

[@bubbadagger]

Magic Potion by the Open Mind from 69 had heavy riffs and double kicks

[@billymac72]

This may seem a weird one, but the Moody Blues’ “Ride My See Saw” has a galloping instrumental mid section that is rather Disposable Heroes-ish. Check it out!

[@hrothgar64]

Pre 1970, 1966 to be exact: Sabre Dance by Love Sculpture. A fast, heavy instrumental version of Khachaturian's classical piece from his ballet, Gayane, from 1942. Featuring Dave Edmunds on guitar.

[@MofosOfMetal]

I had a chat with Mark Briody of Jag Panzer and while not a Thrash band - he did say that back in the early days of the Metal scene - the song 'Fast as a Shark' sent shockwaves around the whole tape-trading and Metal community. It was like it was the state of the art - and that fast(for the time) kick drum actually inspired them to add the song 'Generally Hostile' to the album and to get their drummer to learn double-bass. I think the song Chemical Warfare was also a bit of a game-changer. The story there is amazing too - with Gene Hoglan(of Dark Angel) showing Dave Lombardo in the studio some tricks for using double-bass. And we know what happened later with Slayer on Reign in Blood! I also think Fight Fire With Fire is WAY Thrashier than anything on Metallica's debut - and that song set a new standard that Metallica wouldn't even really try to compete with on future releases - but other bands would take as their template and run with!

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

Jag Panzer kick so much a**!

[@ditherschmidt9152]

Gentlemen,👍👍👍👍👍 I take off my hat to you!

[@AlexAlexon3897]

🌅I'd add Speed King, a song Lemmy and Phil Taylor loved; Kill the King, the first example of THAT double bass drum pattern; all of Gillan's contributions - Secret of the Dance, Message in a Bottle, Unchain Your Brain, etc.; Lights Out; Thin Lizzy's Are You Ready?; Wrath and Wroll, the last song on Mott the Hoople's debut; and a handful of Nazareth songs from the '70s. As for '83, Dio's Stand Up and Shout has been overlooked. I agree re. Sex Pistols, especially having seen their first reunion show.🌇

[@gordy3714]

Ryan Skow would be watching this. The 3 songs around which I reckon inspired Thrash. 1,Discharge Fight Back 5 track EP. 2,Exploited Dead Cities. 3,Two Songs off UK Subs Tomorrows Girl B Sides, Scum of the Earth and Telephone Numbers. Sure Ryan would add more. On Power Metal The Sweet Set Me Free from 1974. Are you going to find a song like that any earlier. 🤔

[@MrVenom5150]

Yeah man I agree. Early Hardcore most definitely inspired thrash. Discharge for sure, as well as UK hardcore band GBH. (Hetfield even wore their T-shirt a lot)

[@mrbrick5907]

@@MrVenom5150 Plus Kirk is wearing a white Discharge shirt with the three skulls on loads of those early photos.

[@MrVenom5150]

@@mrbrick5907 absolutely!

[@Canuck1000]

Rat Skates (Overkill) mentioned that he or someone in his entourage came up with the word thrash metal (early 80s) as he discussed in his video. I am not 100% sure, but I do remember that he discussed in his video. Good episode.

[@chrisharper6088]

Couple of suggestions, my first would be the original French version of Antisocial by Trust. Others would be Dead Kennedys with Holidays In Cambodia and from a different angle Thunder and Lightning by Thin Lizzy and Anvil with March of the Crabs. My first thrash album I brought was Anthrax with Fistfull of Metal which includes Metal Thrashing Mad, even so the riff is based on a very Saxon template, but to me a thrash album. Still have Kerrangs from issue 48 to 100, so maybe one day go through them to work out the first mention of thrash.

[@martinjohnson3877]

I can't believe you didn't mention Sweet. Sweet F.A. and Set Me Free are thrash.

[@tonyeckman4822]

Kiss- Parasite (especially on the Alive album) Going back to the 50's some of the early songs by Bill Haley & The Comets we're pretty fast for their time. Even Elvis (Jailhouse Rock) and Little Richard (Good Golly Miss Molly) Hendrix (Manic Depression) too!

[@MrBdog1021]

Stone Cold Crazy was the first song that came to mind for this topic

[@godetonter4764]

As melodic as Scorpions would become there can be no denying the intensity of He's a Woman, She's a Man in 1977 , but Can't Get Enough from 1979 could well have been the first Thrash Metal song. The song I Can't Get Enough was more Thrash Metal than Motorhead - Overkill. Because of the slamming pre chorus breakdown

[@pongosnodgrass7014]

Piggy, Away and Blacky supplied groove to some thrash riffing x

[@frankcook3612]

Blue Oyster Cult-The Red and the Black Blue Oyster Cult-Hot Rails to Hell Sir Lord Baltimore-Helium Head Lucifer’s Friend-Ride the Sky Blue Cheer -Just a Little Bit The Del Vettes-Last Time Around Journey to the Center of the Mind-Amboy Dukes Raceway-The Pink Fairies Let there Be Rock-AC/DC Motor City Madhouse-Ted Nugent

[@griphfunk]

Great episode. I really enjoyed the ending conversation about the new Metallica track. It has to be exhausting to be Metallica. I love Metallica, but man the fans are rough. I can't think of any other band whose die hard fans are so hard to please.

[@roccopatrone8843]

when I saw the topic I immediately thought about Rush, Necromancer from the under-rated Caress of Steel.

[@Diabolik771]

Venom thrashed. Lot's of stuff lifted from Saxon, Motorhead, Diamond Head, Accept, and Raven.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Trilogy by Mahavishhnu Orchestra 1973...brutal double bass drum thrashing....

[@danneeson7056]

Let's make it easy. Metal and "punk" have the same origins, loud, simple, distorted fuzzed out teenage garage/psych from the late 1960s, early 1970s. MC5's Looking at You/Borderline 45 from 1968, Stereo Shoestring's 1968 45 'On the Road South "and from 1969, The Stooges first album featuring Ron Asheton ,the undisputed King of heavy distorted fuzzed out teenage acid rock riffs and into the 1970's with Pentegram/Bedemon recordings that are super heavy. These are just a few of many examples from that time. Check out the Brown Acid series of compilations and other 60s/70s comps that have more examples, you have to dig but they are there. Speed Metal popped up around the time of the fusion of punk/metal type groups in the mid 80's. Bands like Voivod, Destruction, Celtic Frost and on the punkier side D.R.I., C.O.C , Sacrifice. Most of these groups were heavily influenced by Motorhead. Just my observations.

[@oy2vz241]

Nice sweatshirt hoodie! \m/

[@Metla666]

Exciter from Unleashed in the East, Pure blazing metal. For me, the crux point of thrash.